#CLONE RIGHTS

[writer-designer-vampireslayer]

Oh girlie is a top 5 Relatable Charcter™️ to me

[chrysanthemum9484]

After knowledge of Superboy boing Superman's clone comes out the following laws are written:

1) The clone has the right to chose whether to live with their template or with their creator after being conscious for an year and is physically looks old enough to be able to make and express opinions about people.

2) The template has the right to sue to child support if the clone decides to live with them.

3) The clone is their own person. They have the right to choose a name, go to school (it is not mandatory though) and everything else a meta/human has the right to.

Superman sues Lex Luthor not because he doesn't make enough money to support his Kon and Jon but because he got ✨trauma✨.

Danny sues Vlad Masters and Lex Luthor (the man accidentally cloned him and said clone wants to live with him... Go figure) with enough proof about all of his clones existence, creation and creators (all thanks to Clockwork).

And we get Jack finally stop seeing Vlad as friend... As a treat.

[sashketter]

I’m not holding my breath for a new clone show, but here’s some loose ends that will most likely not be addressed in the finale, regardless of how long it is:

CLONE RIGHTS. What happens to the retired clones that weren’t imprisoned or sent to Tantiss? How does Riyo Chuchi plan to keep fighting for the clones in the Senate?

Rex’s network and the Clone Underground. How big are they? Who are their contacts in the Empire? Where are their other bases? What was Gregor doing during Infiltration and Extraction?

Revealing the existence of the inhibitor chips. How did Kanan know about them? Would Rex and Echo tell Riyo? Would it help or hinder their fight for clone rights?

Emerie Karr’s backstory and purpose. Why did the Kaminoans create a female clone with accelerated aging? Why does she have a last name?

Senator Singh’s fate. What exactly did Riyo want from him?

Phee Genoa and the folks of Pabu. (Vader voice) Where are they? Are they safe? Are they alright?

Trace and Rafa Martez. Have they been to their garage lately? Are they helping Rex in other ways?

Hera Syndulla. She told Omega they’d meet again. Why would she say that?

Omega’s crossbow. Why hasn’t she used it yet?

Roland and Isa Durand. Will they really waste Anjelica fucking Huston on three lines?

[shallowcoffin]

I need you guys to imagine something real fast.

Being a Captain is a big responsibility. Not only did Rex love and care about his brothers, every time one of them die, he’s held it together.

Can you imagine the amount of depression he has? And the amount of mental strength you have to have to watch thousands of your brothers die in front of you? Watching even your closest brothers die? Watching Tup and Fives go to kamino, only to never see Tup alive again? And later, watch your brother die in your arms?

Can you imagine the amount of mental strength this man has? The amount of shit he’s gone through. The amount of sadness and grief he’s had to push away to get things done?

We like to think of the Jedi as a good bunch, that respect the clones. But then, have you considered the amount of work a Captain has to do? The amount of paperwork and meetings he has to do?

He doesn’t get to grieve, or mourn his brothers. He is forced to push on. This is war, none of them to do that.

And at the end of it all, at the end of the clone wars; they all get pushed aside like their trash.

They are PEOPLE, human beings!

You think just because the empire treats them like shit that the Jedi didn’t? There are more than likely instances of Jedi just like Krell. More instances of Jedi who disrespect their men, so much so that Rex understands their expendable. But he still cares for his brothers. He still loves them.

At the end, he doesn’t want to hurt his brothers, even when their a risk to his life. Even when their trying to kill Ahsoka.

Rex is an amazing character. His entire arc, personality, character as a whole is so complex. His entire story is a life of war, pain, grief, and suffering. And yet, he still pushes through. He still went on to fight in the rebellion, and they won. He fought for a better galaxy. Even though he knows people barely see him as human, or barely respect him anymore.

He still pushes through.

[supremechancellorrex]

I've been thinking about what the Bad Batch means to me these past few weeks and things just don't quite sit right. When I started watching the Clone Wars, it felt like a lot of love and care had been poured into the project. The clones had unique personalities built from the ground up, with even minor characters getting quirks. Hevy only appeared in two episodes, yet is so loved. Hardcase is missed despite only really appearing in one arc because of expert character crafting and real, actual effort with the writing.

The point of the Clone War was that the clones were individuals, they had agency and they could have an impact on their lives and others. Referred to as 'property', with no representation or rights, they are slave soldiers in function, who are biologically identical although at times with slight variation, but their personalities and motivations matter and have weight. This is why Fives nearly ruins Palpatine's plans. This is why Rex is able to resist the inhibitor chip in Order 66 and help save Ahsoka.

This is why I'm not sure I can forgive the Bad Batch.

Spitting on Grandpa

When the Bad Batch started, I was initially quite excited because it was advertised as a sequel to the Clone Wars. The first episode opens up with the title 'The Clone Wars' fading into the Bad Batch, but the show is anything but because the 'regs', as normal clones have been dubbed, don't matter now. Instead, the only characters with agency are a special group of clones who mostly don't look like the clones based on Jango Fett (Temuera Morrison) or even scientifically fit the basic definition of what a 'clone' is.

How is this not meant to be insulting for TCW and the Clone Fandom? I watch normal clones like Commander Wilco get shot in the face. I watch Mayday choke and die for Crosshair's development. I watch Rex play second fiddle to the Bad Batch on screen, the man and leader who used to always say "I'm always first, kid" and take the reins. I watch Cody appear for an episode only to not appear again this season and have no impact on the narrative other than Crosshair's development. Can 'regs' no longer change the world? Do the 'boring', 'regular' slave soldiers have no impact anymore?

Echo: "The fate of all the clones is now sealed because of us."

When it comes to normal clones impacting the narrative, the closest we get is Rex's resistance network, which features actual clones actually doing something. Yet apparently an episode about the Bad Batch discovering an island paradise world and battling a tsunami deserves more screen time than seeing how the 'regs' set that one up. Even this plot point is less about finally saving Howzer and normal clones like him, and more about Echo not being with the Bad Batch and further setting up the plot regarding Tech and Crosshair. The normal clones remain non-entities outside of the Bad Batch's development, they have no agency beyond this.

This is why we see stock reg clone characters bully the Bad Batch in the Season 1 opening, because despite them all being slaves under the thumb of fascism and the fact normal clones treated Ninety-Nine (the beloved hunchback clone from TCW Season 3) fine, it's the Bad Batch's plight that only matters now, their persecuted perspective on being special and better than the regs, regs that are now treated as old news, an afterthought. The world feels small, and inexcusably less richer than it was.

Essentially, we're no longer allowed to see what the reg clones motivations are, why there are reg clones that actually, canonically, dislike the Bad Batch as opposed to Ninety-Nine. People like to speculate, but on screen we are not shown or told in TBB. We're also not shown why all the named clones from Howzer, Mayday, Fireball, Gregor and Nemec to Cut, Cody and Rex never had issues with the differences other than they're the good regs I guess. Hell, even Cody and Mayday's remaining squad say nothing of Crosshair's mutations, not even one catty comment.

Conclusion

So, what does this mean? The Bad Batch steals the clones' agency and makes it their own. They wear the clone identity, but refuse to help normal 'reg slave' clones that look like actual clones in favour of focusing on themselves and their 'more important' personal problems. The Bad Batch are special not because of who they are or that they've worked hard, but because they look different from other clones, because they're just more capable and have special abilities. It's not who you are that counts, it's what you are.

And, now, I even see fans doing what TCW told us not to, disregarding normal clones, 'explaining' why the Bad Batch are fine to leave the reg clones to die because they called them "The Sad Batch" one time. Somehow the Bad Batch undoes all of TCW's work, stripping the clones of their agency and making them into just victims sleepwalking into extinction as we wait for the Bad Batch to consider trying to actively save them.

Echo: "The fate of all the clones is now sealed because of us."

And, then the rest of TBB go cave exploring and holidaying on Pabu. This series might as well be about natborns.

[dragonsandwolvesohmy]

I can't remember if I read this as part of a fic on ao3 or as something here on Tumblr, but I remember the GAR finding out how dangerous it is for women to travel alone, and insisting on walking unaccompanied (or even groups) of women to their destinations if they felt unsafe. It helped humanize them and the clones got a lot of support because of it. I just can't remember where I read it...

[aikoiya]

DPxDC Rant - Superman Isn't A Clonophobe

Hey, this is basically just a compilation of all my thoughts in regards to the subject of Clark being a clonophobe & a bad person from @nelkcats & @wolfeyedwitch's posts on the subject.

A lot of this is just retreading old ground, but I realized that I don't have a post of my own on the subject. I thought I did, but I don't. So, this is just me putting it all out there in one spot. I might add onto it later, but right now, this is good enough.

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I think Supes is a genuinely nice guy & if someone were to actually try & talk to him about it, he could get to a point where he realizes that he was wrong about Kon & be genuinely apologetic.

Like, everyone's so busy demonizing him over the clone thing that a lot of people don't look at the situation from his perspective.

I just... I guess that I see it as victim-blaming. Not that Connor isn't also a victim, but Lex stole Clark's DNA without his permission & used it to create another person who he wanted to use against Superman. That's basically baby-trapping which is a thing that legit happens & it isn't right.

Woman who impregnated self with stolen semen from billionaire wins child support battle (vanguardngr.com)

So, yes! If you're pro-choice, but also think that the man should pay child support even if he never wanted the kid or you think that Supes shouldn't be allowed to say that he doesn't want Connor in his life, then that is both hypocritical, sexist, & misandristic.

At the same time, Supes' situation could also be considered analogous to a rape victim being forced to keep the baby & raise it despite having been so thoroughly traumatized by the experience.

Like, women these days can freely get abortions or give their kids up for adoption when the abortion doesn't work & it's considered brave & even merciful, but when Clark is put in the exact same position & he doesn't want anything to do with Connor, he's a horrible clonophobe?? Yes, it's horrible, but there is a definite double standard there.

Hell, there are even people these days debating if it's moral for a woman to tell the doctors not to aide the baby when the abortion does fail! And in California, a bill was suggested that would make it perfectly legal for a woman to just up & decide to let her child, one alive outside the womb & no longer attached to the mother, to starve to death if she decides she doesn't want to be a mother anymore despite her life in no way being in danger from the child & adoption being an option! It's just... frivolous!!

And that's perfectly fine, apparently!

Yet, a man who doesn't want to be a father is forced to provide child support? There are even situations where a woman knows that the baby isn't his, but tricks him into thinking it is in order to get that sweet, sweet child support.

(4) How common is it for a woman to intentionally get pregnant to trap a man? Do you know anyone this has happened to? - Quora

You can't deny that it happens! Yet, *nasally voice* oh, the man's responsible. He shouldn't have had sex with her if he didn't want a kid. He did that to her! He got her pregnant! Nyeh-nyeh-nyeh-nyeh-nyeh!

*normal voice* Good grief, why the double standards?

If the man is responsible because if he didn't want a baby, he shouldn't have been having sex, then the same is true of women. If they didn't want kids, then they shouldn't have been having sex either! Period!

Like, don't get me wrong, Clark is absolutely wrong for the way he treated Connor, but it's still understandable why he reacted that way. He was hurt!

Again, it's by no means a good reason to act that way, but it is a reason & an understandable one at that.

Clark is a down home, salt of the earth, good ol' boy & I just think that if the JL had informed Ma & Pa of the situation, then things would've been sorted out much sooner. They'd straighten their boy out quick! And if Clark is still determined to be stubborn & hard-headed about it, then if nothing else, I can see Ma & Pa taking Connor in & giving him all the love he deserves.

To me, this is the Superman I know:

And this is why I think that people are too hard on Supes:

All-in-all, I don't think that he'd be opposed to all clones. Rather, I feel like he has a problem with Kon, specifically, for a very misguided reason.

Besides, Danny has no room to criticize because even though he reacted differently to the revelation of Dani's existence, he is also canonically known to misplace his aggressions. It's even made into a joke in the show. Like, they verbally address it!

One such instance is in the Fright Before Christmas episode where he says that he hates Christmas, but by seeing his reasoning, you realize that it isn't actually Christmas itself that he's angry at, but his parents who argue constantly during Christmas & allow said arguing to ruin the Christmases of those around them.

And, you can pretend that this wasn't a situation of misplaced aggression, but keep in mind that he went to the Ghost Zone to destroy a bunch of Christmas items to take out his aggression on the holiday even though it's just the background for the source of his anger. Then, upon learning that the book he'd destroyed was a Christmas one, his apology turned to satisfaction! He also said so himself!

That's a form of misplaced aggression.

Displaced aggression is defined as "occurs when an animal or human is fearful or agitated by external stimuli, a provocation, or perception, but is unable or unwilling to direct their aggression toward the stimulus. The aggressor may direct aggression toward whoever is nearest." That's exactly what's happening here!

I theorize that he subconsciously feels like it's preferable to hate Christmas than to actually confront his parents' negligence & be angry at them.

Keep in mind, he never blames his parents for their unsafe practices that lead to him half dying.

Danny points his frustrations towards those who aren't at fault all the time. Maybe not in the case of Dani, but definitely in other situations.

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Furthermore, I also feel like I have to clarify that I grew up watching Smallville, which is sort of a prequel to the Superman saga.

And, in it, (spoiler warning) for a lot of the earlier seasons, Clark & Lex are friends. Like, legit good friends.

So, that probably colors my perspective as, from my point of view, being betrayed so severely by someone who was once your friend hurts a whole hell of a lot worse than someone who's always been your enemy. Especially when you've got as big of a heart with as much love in it as Clark. When you love so freely, it's easy to get hurt & in a lot of ways, it hurts worse when those you trust most betray you.

Also, Smallville? Fun show, ya'll should totally check it out.

Now, anyway, I admit that this probably isn't the case with most iterations of Superman, but I can't help that this was one of my primary sources on the characters' personalities growing up & as a result, I do tend to operate under the assumption that this is his backstory.

Because of this, I might be a little biased & in some way think that Clark might've been experiencing that betrayal by Lex all over again &, to be fair, knowing that he hurt Supes so bad, even if it's only on an emotional level, would absolutely thrill Lex & Clark probably knows that.

Like, I wouldn't be surprised if Clark had mostly gotten over the betrayal, but then this shit happens & it's like the wound is fresh all over again.

So, in this situation, Clark has nowhere to really put all that anger than on Connor, which is wrong, but also understandable.

Because, he can't even let Lex know he's upset because it'd just make the other man happy. Why would Superman give him that satisfaction? In other words, he can't really hurt Lex beyond some annoyance which sucks.

On the other hand, Danny & Vlad were never friends, the millionaire's dumbass monologue about killing Jack & marrying Maddie nipped that prospect in the bud in the literal first episode that he appeared in. So discovering that the guy cloned him didn't hurt Danny practically at all other than the violation itself because he'd already dismissed Vlad as a creepy frootloop.

Meanwhile, from the very start, Vlad wanted Danny as his son, so in some form or fashion, he does care & place value on him. It might be a selfish sort of value, but it is value nonetheless. He obviously has zero idea how to show that care & when he tries, it comes out very toxic & harmful, but he does care. Thus, when Danny rejects him, it hurts. And, somewhere, Danny probably knows this.

Which is why he's free to point his anger at Vlad rather than Dani. To point all that anger & frustration at exactly the person that was responsible. Clark doesn't get to do that. At least, not to the extent that he probably wants to.

Whereas in the case of the Christmas debacle, Danny doesn't want to hate his parents, so he finds it easier to take that frustration out on Christmas because Christmas has never made him happy & won't have the same emotional fallout to it that confronting the fact that his parents are selfish & self-absorbed & negligent would.

Because of this, having Danny lecture Superman on not misplacing his anger actually makes him come across as a bit of a hypocrite & it isn't fair because I have yet to see this point brought up in fics. Instead, Danny is portrayed as completely in the right! Like, it'd be one thing if their version of Danny had grown out of displacing his anger & was even trying to actually move on from it.

Hell, they could even make it so Danny is lecturing Supes from the perspective of someone who used to do it himself & is working on getting better at it. But they don't & instead protray him as holier than thou.

At the end of the day, I just don't think that a lot of fic writers, at least, none of the ones I've read about, give the situation the nuance it deserves, instead going the easy route & turning Superman into an irredeemable asshole when he really isn't. Not usually anyway.

In this situation, yeah, he was kinda a dick, but there's a reason & I feel like people either ignore that fact completely or just say "not good enough."

Hell, they don't even take into account the fact that even in Young Justice, where he's an ass, he doesn't stay that way! He eventually accepts Connor, so why harp on him about it!?

Edit: Someone seemed to be under the impression that I thought Superman had it worse. To the contrary, he has it way better.

This isn't a victim contest, it's about understanding why the characters might've reacted the way they did & that has nothing to do with who has it worse.

You don't have to have a bad life to react badly to things. It's all in how you process information & experiences.

Clark just processed the situation in a very bad way in this particular instance.

The point was to show how the 2 aren't all that different. I can easily see the 2's reactions being switched in the right circumstances.

The thing is, I don't understand why not knowing that Connor was also genetically created from Lex would somehow stop Superman from reacting the way he did towards Connor because didn't he know that he himself was Connor's genetic template from pretty much the beginning?

Plenty of people react badly to having a kid regardless of who the other parent was.

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[firefly-fez]

I’m sorry but after seeing ‘The Clone Conspiracy’ and ‘Truth and Consequences’ I am convinced that this was 98% of what their friendship was based on.

You can’t tell me Ahsoka “They may be willing to die, but I am not the one who is going to kill them” Tano and Riyo “You spent years fighting for us. Let me fight for you” Chuchi didn’t bond over talking about clone rights.

[me-thestarwarsfan]

I hate when people are like, "The Jedi used the clones as child soldiers/slaves."

That is not what the Jedi did. The Jedi were hesitant to fight with the clones, and deep down in their hearts, the consil knew it was wrong, but what could they do? The senate wanted to fight, and there were too few Jedi. The Jedi hoped that after the war, the clones could live happy, normal lives; but they were fighting, and there was little time to think of peace. So, the Jedi adopted the clones, and made them part of their "family". Even if they never survived the war, they would know what love was.

The senate, aka Palpatine, were the ones using the clones as slaves.

(I'm not saying all senators were bad, but most were)

[starkskypines]

angel wings sewed on my back with blood

the religious trauma born star wars fic is here!! featuring murder (of palpatine), hostile takeovers, religious themes galore, and some falling in love

*****

Fox raises his hands in supplication, like a religious devout worshiping at the throne of his god in a room bathed in warm red tones meant to spark loyalty for one so kind. In a room littered with artifacts tied to various religions from across the galaxy. Not one of those artifacts' religions hold a candle to the dedication Fox brought to his work, which makes it all the more jarring that it is Fox with shaking hands covered in blood at the throne of the Republic’s great leader.

He can count the number of blasters pointed at him currently. Eight from a Guard squad. Seven from the Chancellor’s personal guard. He knows the hands that hold eight of those blasters. He’s helped those hands bind wounds, watched those hands lift mugs of coffee at four in the morning, helped those hands when they asked and when they didn’t.

“Commander Fox, do not move!” The order comes from Stone, whips out harsh and broken and impacts Fox more than any other step of this mission. He’s not afraid of death. It’s part of the job, and for one confronted with death so often, it is more like an old friend that beckons him home. But he is afraid of disappointment from one he considers friend. He’s scared of lonely nights and lonely days, of no one left to clean his wounds and brew his coffee, of an aching hole inside that can never be filled. But he was more afraid of death’s familiarity coming to claim every one of his friends in a mockery of everything they’ve ever fought for.

Fox does not move now with blasters pointed at him and the deed done. He has already moved enough. The moment he figured it out, he never stopped moving. Plans and lies and hiding in plain sight. The weight of millions of lives on his shoulders, but the heaviest was the weight of the identical sets of brown eyes that looked him in the eye every single day.

The Chancellor was behind the war. The Chancellor wanted to twist his brothers into slaves. The Chancellor, so pious and righteous a leader, was the man holding the keys to every Sith hell Fox had ever cursed. So Fox had to stop him, no matter the cost to himself.

read on ao3

[bun-fish]

Punks are so fun to draw

look at them little spikes, so cool

I firmly hold to the belief (read: headcan) that Kon has built-in pockets on his hero spandex

Bonus:

They say clone rights.

(picture is taken by a Proud DadTM Danny)

[salmonellaandstars]

the clones need to unionise. my first words after i get teleported to the star wars universe isn’t cool spaceship it’s where the fuck is your union representative

[tychee123]

does anybody else think about how that as rex aged he became less and less recognisable because clones never lived long enough to get old

[sashketter]

Tbh Idc if the finale ties things up for the Batch or is narratively satisfying. I know it won’t touch these two words: CLONE. RIGHTS. Star Wars politics finally got interesting and they’re just… gonna leave it at that?

Did Riyo’s agreements with Rampart get thrown out of the Defense Recruitment Bill after his arrest? What happens to the retired clones who weren’t imprisoned or sent to Tantiss? Who are Rex’s contacts in the Empire? DID REX AND ECHO TELL RIYO ABOUT THE INHIBITOR CHIPS???

[youchosedeath]

Sketches of my husband Captain Rex ❤️😘

[supremechancellorrex]

What is the difference between the C.I.S and the Republic? Both utilise slavery, both are corrupt, both have democratic systems that are constantly subverted, both are run by the Sith, who both assassinate opponents/agitators and trick their citizens into thinking they didn't, both have enablers who think their side is the just one.

Is the only difference that Ventress cackles evilly?