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1982's Fantastic Four Vol.1 #247 cover by John Byrne & Glynis Wein.
#Doctor Doom#Fantastic Four#John Byrne#This Land is Mine !#Dr Doom#Byrne's FF#John Byrne's Fantastic Four#marvel#comics#cover#cool comic art#art#80s#Latveria#cool cover art#1980s#80's#Docteur Fatalis#woah#Mr Fantastic#Invisible Girl#The Thing#Human Torch#Reed Richards#Sue Storm#Ben Grimm#Johnny Storm#80s comics#Victor Von Doom#marvel comics of the 1980s
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I keep getting so caught up in the euphoria of so many people getting to know and love Kay Faraday for the first time that for a moment I forget that I live in a fandom that will inevitably reduce her to a prop for narumitsu.
#aa salt#ace attorney investigations#ace attorney#kay faraday#stop making her 'narumitsu's' kid she don't know phoenix from adam#also the gumshoe; badd and byrne erasure drives me insane#badd has known her since the day she was born; gumshoe was there for her even before miles was#she kicked bratworth in the shin ffs b/c he was being mean to her new friend gummy#byrne and kay's promise notebook are key parts to her characterization#i'll grant her a special familial bond w/ miles b/c it's important to both their characterizations and beautiful#but not phoenix; he already has maya and trucy to be his best girls#he doesn't need another one#and honestly shoving kay into that role kind of undermines maya and trucy as well since it treats them as the same/interchangeable#which this fandom already has more than enough problems with tbh#i just love kay a lot okay#i may project more onto kristoph and athena but i still think kay is my fave aa character overall
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here's my unbiased descriptions of the 3 biggest hozier albums:
Hozier: Happy, love and respect
unreal unearth: dramatic, sad
wasteland baby: HOT AS FUCK.
#fun fact. talk has been my no 1 song on Spotify for 2 years in a row#if i heard it die id actually decompose but he didnt play it when i went last year :(#special recognition for moments silence bc HOT AS FUCK#which it has been added to the wasteland baby special edition (rightfully bc it fits in the hot af category)#not that everything hozier sings dosent have atleast a hint of hotness i mean its hozier ffs. he could make the alphabet song hot#anyway why would you be loved just dropped and DAMN#hozier#andrew hozier byrne#spotify#music#wasteland baby#unreal unearth#unheared#hot sexy irish man#that will be tagged without judgement.#hozier is sexy#and respectful#which is even hotter
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My Superman controversial headcanon is basically ignoring John Byrne's interpretation of the character.
#post-war “american way” superman is boring#i'd much rather read pre-crisis super than anything byrne#yeah i know the sales were low and byrne's take made things better#still i'd rather live in the timeline in which elliot s! maggin wrote post-crisis super#silver banshee is the only cool thing i enjoy in his run#i don't even hate byrne i like his she-hulk and ff#his generic corporate luthor is lifeless and it took so long for that character to recover and become interesting again#some of his covers are cool though#headcanon#superman#fandom#john byrne#post-crisis#dc comics#dc#comics#text
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His music has always been political. What do y’all think songs like ‘Jack Boot Jump’, ‘De Selby II’, ‘Nina Cried Power’, ‘Take Me To Church’ are about?
Like seriously, listen to the fucking lyrics. Listen to the words he says preceding the songs.
People have been living his concerts when he speaks in favour of Palestine’s sovereignty. Do y’all think that his catalogue is all ‘Too Sweet’ and ‘Moment’s Silence’?
Text comprehension is a dying skill…
Hozier on Skavian
❝ Do you have an ambivalence towards the church in general? Or are you a whole hearted supporter? ❞
#hozier#andrew hozier byrne#hozieredit#unreal unearth#wasteland baby#eat your young#unheard ep#unheard#the catholic church sucks#organised religion is a cancer to society#his music has always been political ffs just listen to it people
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I have to believe there will be ultimate accountability and reckoning for war criminals, people who embezzle pension funds, and whomever was responsible for the smeary, borderline illegible printing in 1980s Marvel comics.
#comcis#Marvel#seriously I tried to read a Byrne FF and for once got a throbbing headache from something besides Reed
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BHOC: MARVEL TWO-IN-ONE #50
Now this was a comic book that I really liked. So much so that I sent a letter of comment in to the letters page asking that creator John Byrne be allowed to both write and pencil FANTASTIC FOUR. A real case of “be careful what you wish for”, as I stopped buying FF under Byrne’s eventual tenure. But this issue, steeped in classic lore that I was familiar with, was something that really connected…
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Fantastic Four #243 (Byrne, June 1982). Galactus deals with the troublesome Terrax, but his insatiable hunger brings him back into the fray with the FF… and the Avengers! Daredevil and Spider-Man watch helplessly, effectively designating themselves B-listers!
#marvel#marvel 616#fantastic four#reed richards#mr fantastic#steve rogers#captain america#john byrne
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So the F4 cast announcement got me thinking about what comics to read if I get around to that and then about Doom and then I got me thinking... where exactly is Latveria supposed to be? The name makes me think of the Baltic states but I could be wrong.
So yeah, great announcement!
Pedro Pascal is a bit typecast as playing the Dad character (although that's become "one of those good problems"), but I'm thrilled that Cousin Ritchie is going to be playing Ben Grimm.
Obviously, they won't let Ebon Moss-Bachrach swear as much as he does in the Bear, but he's a fantastic actor and I cannot wait to see him bringing that mix of temper and soulfulness to the part.
I haven't seen much of Vanessa Kirby's work, but I'm looking forward to seeing what she can do with a better script than Napoleon.
And Joseph Quinn is excellent and I look forward to seeing some of "Eddie" Munson's energy in Johnny Storm.
In terms of recommendations for FF comics, I've got you there:
Read the Kirby/Lee run. It's a work of art from beginning to end.
Read the Walt Simonson's run.
This is going to be controversial, but you might want to skip the Byrne run.
Read the Jonathan Hickman run. A serious tour de force.
Alongside the Hickman run, Fraction/Allred is quite good too.
As for where Latveria is, it is indeed Balkan:
As you can see from the map, Central/Eastern Europe in Earth 616 is quite different and significantly more Balkanized (forgive the pun) compared to Earth 1218 (also known as our universe).
In addition to Doom's Latveria, we have Symkaria (the dysfunctional micro-kingdom whose economy is largely supported by Silver Sable's mercenary company), Transia (birthplace of Wanda and Pietro Maximoff and home to the High Evolutionary's Island of Doctor Moreau Wundagore Mountain), and a bunch of minor ones like Ruritania (from The Prisoner of Zenda), Carnelia (a post-Soviet state that Tony Stark and Justin Hammer fight over), Belgriun (a totalitarian monarchy that was overthrown by a bunch of Spider-Men villains), Draburg (which showed up in some Sabra comics), and some other small ones that I couldn't find on the wiki.
#marvel#marvel meta#fantastic four#book recommendations#latveria#doctor doom#the world outside your window#mcu#pedro pascal#vanessa kirby#ebon moss bachrach#joseph quinn
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1983's Fantastic Four Annual Vol.1 #17 cover by artist John Byrne.
#Fantastic Four#John Byrne#Byrne's FF#art#marvel#marvel comics#cover#comics#cool comic art#cool cover art#process#horror story#skrulls#Annual#Reed Richards#Ben Grimm#Johnny Storm#Sue Storm#Mr Fantastic#Human Torch#Invisible Girl#The Thing#first family#80s comics#Marvel Comics of the 1980s#cover art#comic books#FF#les quatre fantastiques#1983
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CIVIL WAR
In a couple years Civil War turns 20. It's an event that almost everyone knows at this point, it's been adapted for the MCU, and it's one of the most iconic Earth-616 events.
A tale of exchanging freedoms for safety, hugely inspired by the aftermath of 9/11. That was almost 20 years ago, yet we keep circling back to the issue of government control. Is it a friend or a foe and if a law is wrong, how do we go about changing it?
When the time came to go through the CW issues of the Fantastic Four, I decided to go back and review the whole event.
And if you're about to move on, because you haven't read it yet (there are gonna be spoilers), or just bookmarking it for another time, I’ll leave you with my final thought right away: it's a very different experience for a teenager and an adult. For someone who is still sampling the real world and someone who's nearly fed up with it.
The idea to register superheroes wasn't new for Earth-616. In a different version, this bill’s been around since Byrne’s FF (unfortunately, I can’t pinpoint the issue but I referenced it in one of the previous FF reviews). What I do distinctly remember is the hearing, the team went to, and how passionately they tried to stall it.
Even then though, they knew it would come back to bite their backsides.
The bill reemerges after M-Day and blooms after the tragedy in Stamford when New Warriors trigger a team of villains while shooting their reality show (talk about your ‘00s essence). Supervillain Nitro uses his ultimate and disintegrates 600 townies, a bunch of heroes, and his own crew.
The public outcry is insane. There is high demand for masked heads on spikes, full transparency, and maybe some ritual sacrifice (just enough to butter everyone up). The sales of red paint and placards skyrocket, and everyone (knowingly or not) quickly picks their side of the argument.
Remember just a few years ago Genosha happened? Millions of mutants were brutally killed, and all it provoked was more hate toward them. What do they call it now, the good old days?
What's the plan?
The grand idea is cooked up by the great minds of Tony Stark and Reed Richards (eww). They go as far as to introduce 100 ideas of how to make sure Stamford never happens again.
The gist of it all is to register all superhumans, send them to training, then license them and release back into the world. Better yet, pack them in teams and send to each one of the 50 states. It’s superhuman police meets mutant registration and unites in a beautiful concept of a police state.
There are a few concerns with the plan, right off the bat.
Yes, the first one is data safety. Reed and Tony are smart for sure but for each of them, there is an equally inventive hero or a villain. There are no unbreakable/unhackable data storages. There probably never will be, so all the personal information heroes share will eventually be up for grabs. They guarantee that everything will be locked and hidden away in a digital Fort Knox, meaning they are promising something impossible. They’re setting y’all up.
They did cover their asses here though. What’s the best way to prevent villains from doing villainy things? Rehabilitate them, of course.
Though it does sound impressive on paper, it's in fact more of a suicide squad scenario. The villains don’t go through any sort of therapy and no one is offering them help. They are controlled and forced to do Stark’s and S.H.I.E.L.D’s bidding.
Some 20 years later Daredevil will ponder a more reasonable prison reform while chilling in his cell. But that wasn’t a common conversation in 2006. Back then we were way more into punishing everyone.
Stark doesn't hesitate to abuse his newfound power when, through his nanobots, he controls Green Goblin and makes him shoot an Atlantean official.
All part of the grand design.
And oh, of course, there is 42, the superhuman prison in the Negative Zone. The pride and joy of Reed Richards – a place where he and Tony eagerly send their former friends to take a time out and think long and hard about what they did. See, neither one of them goes for conversation, they jump head-first into policing.
Kids with superpowers have to go to military school now. That’s the kids who don’t end up as lab rats for an insane doctor. There is always one of those around and they’re somehow always in cahoots with the officials.
But chances are you, young superhero wannabe, are gonna go through military training (obviously the best kinda training if you want to help people, amiright?)
Jumping ahead, we get a nasty preview of one such facility. And guess who's in charge of the program? If the name Gyrich is familiar to you, need I say more?
It ends in tragedy too. Right away.
But enough criticizing. If you can’t say anything nice, don’t say anything at all.
Instead, let's imagine that everything works out. There are superhuman peacekeepers all across the US. And there are military schools where kids are screamed at by some YesSirThankYouSir.
Does that make Earth-616 any safer?
What happens when Sentry flies off the handle and destroys half of New York? Would it help that you know his civil name?
How about when Daredevil builds his Shadowland and chills there with a bunch of ninjas? Would you sleep better knowing his home address?
The short answer is no.
Then why do they do it?
My theory is there’s a reason one side includes Reed, Hank, and Tony. They are virtually the same archetype. All extremely privileged people, rich, famous, adored. They are also scientists – they operate in numbers and technologies, in fixing things. They think they know, which allows them to remain on cordial terms with empathy.
Looking into the future and using logic to solve the world’s greatest mysteries is the way all three of them choose.
Ok that might really just be Reed but what can I do, I hate the guy.
Either way, Reed and Stark both did some math and some thinking and figured that if you can't beat them you might as well lead them. That's why they both jumped at the chance to make the world better (Reed event dragged his family along for the ride).
It feels like halfway through the war though, the whole for Tony turned into an obsession with winning. Winning by all means necessary and realizing that the ends absolutely justified the means.
As it always happens, heroes on Stark’s side let themselves go way too far. If unmasking Spider-Man felt uncomfortable (we’ll get to Spidey), then building 42 with extremely harsh conditions just to scare everyone into registering was a full-on dictator move. Building a Robo-Thor (Ragnorak) to balance the power scales was simply outrageous. I told you, Reed, Pym, and Stark have serious issues with empathy.
Then, they created their first victim – Goliath. We could go into a long conversation about the issue of using a Black character as collateral, but we all know what’s what.
I remember from years ago the image of him lying in a giant grave. And only now it hit me that maybe it had to be him, to emphasize the metaphor of a giant loss. Because even his grave looks like a mass grave and the way he's laid to rest is similar. And this couldn't play out the same way with Stamford victims, because none of that was personal to the heroes.
You’d think one death of their own would stop them or at least force them to pause. But no, just a few people left the cause after that, among them Sue who unfortunately eventually reunites with Reed.
She did make a hole in his ceiling though. Good job.
But hey, Reed’s done the math. Can't go wrong with that.
I kept trying to put myself in Tony’s place to understand where he was coming from. And here’s what I figured.
There was a voice of “conscience” whispering in Stark’s ear – Miriam Sharpe (a parent of one of the Stamford victims. I couldn't not include the worst 'argument' in history that aged worse than anyone could imagine). There was Happy on life support after having been attacked by a supervillain. And decades upon decades of trying to keep it together as a hero and a person. It was easy to dismiss all that after time had erased most of the details from my memory, but that’s exactly what re-reads are for. He truly believed that something should be done so that even heroes could have it a little easier.
As a self-appointed leader of the superhuman community, Tony felt responsible for all of them and it was necessary for him to fix everything. This is where his ego plays a huge part because he took it personally and let it cloud his judgment. That’s a human thing but that’s also the thing he allows himself but not other heroes.
You know what? I'm gonna do something wild here. I’m gonna compare the two heads of the police state and make Reed look good.
He’s not doing it for power or his ego, he actually doesn’t let emotions play a part. We see that clearly when he continues to work with Stark after Sue leaves him. He puts his pain aside and does what he believes is correct (not right, correct). He's also doing it for the future and his kids and while that can be perceived as emotion, he also backs it by his math.
Meanwhile, Tony sees himself as the savior, takes control of all the capes, and you can actually see him basking in glory when he reports his victory to Miriam.
Who's fault was Stamford?
Let's roll back a little, to Stamford and the incident.
A huge part of the conversation revolves around who is responsible for the accident. We have the New Warriors, who poked the bear, and we have Nitro, who was the bear. The people though, they unanimously choose the only surviving New Warrior (Speedball) to be the scapegoat. Nitro is dealt with in private by Wolverine and Atlanteans (he offed Namora), who seem to be the only ones interested in bringing him to justice.
Throughout the Front Line series, Robbie Baldwin (same ole’ Speedball) is trying to come to terms with his being the most hated person in America. His parents turn their back on him, the government is offering him a registration (to which he opposes), and the people hate him and wanna see him hanged. Of course, Robbie does feel responsible, he is too. But Nitro is not a mine he stepped on. He’s a person, who did the actual killing.
Not at all surprising, that no one sides with Speedball. Not even his lawyer Jen, who’s trying to help for sure, but doesn’t seem to be hearing him. In fact, she’s more of a liaison between him and the authorities and the one vividly on the latter side.
Robbie succumbs to his guilt. Everyone sees him as a monster and a murderer, so he accepts it.
Here's the controversial part – I felt sympathy for him both times. He was reckless and untrained, which is the argument Tony Stark and others put on their flag and ran with. That is the idea – to train and register the heroes.
But for that to happen, Robbie had to be the scapegoat. And the superhero community might have been able to eventually forgive him but everyone else? No way.
In the process, he gets shot by one of the Stamford parents (they really aren't making themselves look good there) , and by the end, he accepts the deal under one condition – that the shooter gets released as well. Robbie walks free but where would he go? He ends up becoming Penance (Not Monet-Penance).
Which is probably not a great idea anyway, since he's beyond messed up at that point.
This is a tragic bit of the story.
It seems like nearly everyone hates Speedball, even more than they would Nitro. I mean, Nitro has a strong argument covering his radioactive butt — he’s a villain, what did you expect? A New Warrior is a hero, so he’s held to an impossible standard.
What can I say, those in power really did find someone to blame just so those in power could maintain their faces and a clean image. One person is always a very acceptable sacrifice for them.
Are you in or are you out?
I promised you we’d get back to Peter Parker. He is absolutely one of the main characters here. Fair to assume this story was essential for him at the time as well (yes, we’re not peeking ahead because we all know his identity can’t stay public forever).
Obviously, in my teens, I was wise and could see right through the trap Tony Stark was setting for Peter. Tying him to the cause by forcing him to be the first hero to unmask, promising him and his family protection, sharing only bits and pieces of truth? He’s practically spelling it out for Pete: “I own your webbed ass!”
Yeah. Times change. It’s so easy to steer an idealist. And that’s who Peter is, that’s who most heroes are. He still believes in the whole responsibility concept, and by saying “This is the responsible thing to do”, you can get him to do nearly anything. Top it with his admiration and infatuation with Stark, and you have a foolproof Spider-catcher.
Imagine your ideals being dangled before your eyes like that and tell me you won’t follow.
Here’s the deal. Whenever I ask people (be it regarding the movie or the comics) whether they would’ve registered or not, they almost invariably say no. Most of us are that convinced that our ideals are concrete, that there is no scenario that could shake us up and force us to the other side of the barricades.
Allow me to call BS.
So many of us really still view this as a fantasy arc: even if has something to do with reality, nothing like that can ever happen.
But fantasy simply takes reality and pushes it to extremes. Remove the capes, take away the superpowers, and take a closer look. It’s an ongoing leitmotif throughout history. Hell, it even happened in the same universe before (hello, Mutant Registration)!
So while the idea 20 years ago was to choose between safety for the majority and giving up just a portion of your freedom, in reality, most people always choose the latter.
Because when you are asked to do so, it’s never really a command, it’s a suggestion. And it’s always coated with a reasonable explanation that benefits you. These things are never a one-day operation. They are carefully prepared for us by propaganda and advertising which even work on several levels. If the simple explanation doesn’t work on you, the complex one might. Either way, you’ll be on board.
You get to choose between easy and difficult. And you only know what you will decide when you come face to face with the problem.
That’s why my answer then was “I’d never register” and my answer now is “I have no idea”.
The right side
It’s easier to choose freedom when Cap takes a firm stand for you. He can do no wrong in the eyes of other heroes (I mean, even Punisher refuses to hit him, that kinda cred has to stand for something). But siding with the squeaky-clean Cap is a pretty picture. We don’t get those in life.
Just like Tony, he feels responsible for every hero. I think, for one it’s a vanity thing, and for another, it’s the leader gene.
It never felt to me like Cap was fighting out of sheer stubbornness or even because he believed he was right (like Tony did). He fought because he believed this was the best course of action for the superpowered community. Heroes and villains alike. The old dying to protect your freedom to be wrong narrative.
He is a 616 icon, he has nothing to gain in all this…
…Which may be why he lost. He’d put up a great fight, but he never offered an alternative course of action.
If the registration bill had never passed, what was the other option, where was the guarantee that Stamford wouldn’t happen again? Essentially, this is why he gave himself up and stopped the fight. This is WHEN he did so. He saw the battle in New York as a step away from a mass disaster. So he took off his mask and accepted handcuffs.
Now did he betray everyone who followed him?
Yes and no.
Yes, because without him all they had was a ragtag team of heroes. Without Cap’s credibility or his resolve, they were completely lost.
And No, because if they couldn’t stand up and continue the fight, they may have been fighting not for something but alongside someone.
Cap giving up is not an example of an underwhelming resolution. It’s just what you do when the ends stop justifying the means. When the body count grows and you see no way out.
He chooses to stop getting people killed — something I don’t believe Tony would’ve done.
I remember being so impressed with Cap’s resolve when I was a teen. What I see now is a grand gesture that ultimately changes nothing. Then again, that’s what heroes do, right?
At the end of the day, they stand before you and invite you to make a choice. He wasn’t doing it for the other heroes, he was doing it for everyone else. Showing that a single person can be responsible and that’s what they should be trusting in. The fact that they managed to destroy a whole block in New York didn’t exactly give Cap’s side any sympathy points.
I also get why Stature and Nighthawk defected from the cause — they chose personal safety and comfort over constant risk.
I get why Ben Grimm left for France. Maybe just now but I get it. Not wanting to fight and to even pick a side. He may look like a coward through idealistic glasses (even though he does come back eventually). And he may be naively ignoring the fact that whenever he goes, the registration law might follow.
But he goes anyway and it’s hard to say he’s wrong. Sometimes you just want to escape because you know it’s gonna get ugly.
What was the point?
The resolution of this war doesn’t give you an answer who was right and who was wrong. That’s the point — there is no point. Never is. The main book went out of its way to draw similarities between Civil War and many famous battles throughout history. You are slightly pushed toward sympathizing with Cap’s side and I bet it hits you hard too when that side loses and later he gets shot.
After all is said and done, in a one-shot called Confession Tony Stark admits to Cap’s dead body that the war wasn’t worth it. An answer to something Cap asked him before when he first was arrested. Kinda hypocritical of Tony to not realize that after Goliath's death.
It’s not the end of the story but it’s the end of the war, and I think between the name of the comic arc, the events, and the final words, you can piece together a pretty good conclusion.
Cherry on top
I’m leaving the arc I found to be most memorable years ago for last.
It’s Front Line and specifically the arc of Sally Floyd and Ben Urich. They are both journalists, and they are hunting down the same story. The sides might be different, but the sources, the issue, the story — the story is the same.
By the end, they’re sitting on this goldmine of an article. Something they have the responsibility to share as professionals who claim to value integrity. But they bury it, because their personal experience during this war gets in the way.
This part of the book really surprised me as a kid. I loved the fact that we took the time off to see how the real people are dealing with a superhero conflict. And we know that Ben isn’t exactly impartial, he has a long history with every New York hero ever and works for everyone’s favorite Daily Mail substitute — Daily Bugle (where JJJ is on cloud 9 because the damn capes finally get to answer for their misdeeds).
Sally and Ben find out exactly how Stark orchestrated the fallout from Stamford and how at every turn, he steered the narrative in his own chosen direction.
They bury it. And I don’t know how to feel about that now. It’s a selfish and selfless choice. This could’ve made them legends but this also would’ve destroyed any control the heroes had over their fates.
What’s it good for
I used to think this was a book about right and wrong, and I used to think the sides were very obvious. But I was idealistic. While I still believe that this was no way to go, and othering anyone is an awful idea, I get to look at this as a selection of personal stories now. And I can easily see myself (or anyone really) in every one of the roles.
So maybe it’s more about the choices you end up making (I mean, it does continuously ask you whose side are you on). Or maybe, in another decade I will read it again and see an entirely different tale.
P.S. I tried to make it simple this time by using the Marvel Unlimited reading guide, but you should know that it’s slightly out of order and incomplete.
#marvel#marvel comics#comics#comic books#marvel universe#long reads#comics reviews#civil war#marvel civil war#spider man#iron man#captain america
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How would you describe xfans' politics?
I mean, you ultimately can't make any actual generalisations of someone's politics based on what they read and watch. Media can and often does inform people's thoughts and influences them, but you cannot come to any legitimate conclusion of someone's politics based exclusively on what they read. When I criticise "X-Men fans", it is usually done with the understanding that I'm looking at a particularly small, vocal minority; by definition, I am an X-Men fan, because I read a lot of X-Men books.
Reading X-Men comics is not (no matter how much some people imply otherwise) political action. It is not an indicator of politics. Too often, I see people say "Conservative X-Men fans are crazy, they have no reading comprehension! The X-Men have always been left!!" and to be honest, that's giving a lot of X-Men writers way too much credit.
Claremont, as I've talked about before, is a Zionist who based his Magneto characterisation of a Zionist terrorist. His Charles, too, and had both of them meet for the first time in Occupied Palestine. I believe he has also gone on the record as saying that many of his female X-Men characters were based on female IDF soldiers. He also very much so made Storm a cop.
Grant Morrison, beloved X-Men writer, was horrifically racist to Asian people in their comic, most particularly with the portrayal of Dust, and having Magneto be in yellowface for that whole comic. There are other issues with Talia Al Ghul of DC, but that's out of my remit. There's a lot of criticism to be had about the portrayal of black people in their series, too.
John Byrne's many, many issues are more readily discussed, but he's still a massive part of the X-Men lore and history, and describes himself as a "progressive conservative".
And while I don't believe we know very much about their politics, I also don't think that Hickman or Duggan should be paraded around as bastions of leftist fiction, when they really aren't. I'm not saying these writers haven't written leftist things before, but it it is a mistake to say that the X-Men are inherently leftist and inherently progressive, when a lot of X-Men writers are not those things.
I think some people, by virtue of the X-Men being a series about the minority experience, project their own feelings and politics onto the X-Men, and sometimes forget that isn't reality. That's how we get "Magneto was right" as a fandom rally cry, but if you imply that maybe the character based off a Zionist, who canonically lived in Israel, and has created 3 different mutant ethnostates are two facts that inform each other, then you're crazy and ruining everyone's fun.
Anyway. Point being, I don't think you can meaningfully say "ALL X-Men fans are like this", when comics are ultimately nothing that can be used to make conclusions of people's politics. The only thing unique to the X-Men is that the minority metaphor and experience is the core premise of their stories, unlike the Avengers and FF who, while having characters like Ben Grimm and The Vision who undergo similar treatment, are not about that at their core in the same way the X-Men are. The centralisation of minorities makes it easy for the X-Men to feel radical and cutting edge, but they aren't that much, to be honest. Like, they are ultimately a capitalist venture created by a group of predominantly white Americans (although the current X office is more diverse than it has been since, well, ever, and that shouldn't be ignored), and are never going to be as radical as you want because of that. Cyclops is never going to be right the way you want him to be right, because Brian Michael Bendis is not going to be giving the people radical leftist praxis.
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In your recent UFF post, you said: "UFF works better as a contrast with the mainline rather than as an entry point to the franchise for new readers". I wanted to start reading the Fantastic Four. Which runs would you recommend and in which order?
Start with Mark Waid for the best “modern” entry point. After that, Hickman for sure as the guy I expect to see the MCU draw on a lot for inspiration. After Hickman FF I recommend his Avengers run simply because it builds upon his FF and his entire epic casts Reed and Doom as the true leads. Then Ryan North’s current run for a great ongoing. Besides those, if you’re up for older runs, the Lee/Kirby run is foundational and second only to ASM in terms of Silver Age Marvel storytelling. Walter Simonson’s tenure is widely praised. Byrne’s run gets a lot of love but he bails on the book, leaving many plot threads unresolved (oh and there’s *that* Reed/Sue retcon too). McDuffie wrote an enjoyable short run.
But if you want an easy stand-alone read than I recommend Alex Ross’ recent Full Circle mini. Brilliant art and I had no problem following along despite not being familiar with the Lee/Kirby era before reading it.
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Remember when Doctor Doom’s biggest foe was… himself?!
In the latest DOCTOR DOOM READING ORDER entry, we cover John Byrne’s FF issues, Doom’s time in the Secret Wars and the decade-long ‘Doom/Kristoff War’!
Follow @VirginVariant who provided this incredible edit of the cover of Alpha Flight #91 (1990) by Jackson ‘Butch’ Guice
#doctor doom#alpha flight#reading order#marvel comics#jackson guice#butch guice#secret wars#kristoff vernard#fantastic four
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Starting Byrne's FF run with Fantastic Four('61) #220
If you're in a New York winter, I doubt anywhere within 3 hours could you experience "basking" and not "freezing." Least not your girlfriends, Ben.
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X-Men: The Hidden Years 8 (July 2000)
John Byrne & Tom Palmer
Remember when I kept complaining during First Class that it didn't do enough to interlink with the existing stories, and didn't take advantage of the interesting possibilities of being a prequel comic? Well, I take it all back.
So finally some of the various strands of this book have reunited when three of the X-Men return to the Professor: but now we have the Fantastic Four in the mix too. Oh and because this was canonically true in this period, I guess, Sue Storm is absent, replaced by Crystal, one of the Inhumans, who like all the Inhumans has weird-ass hair. If there's a Marvel team I like less than the Fantastic Four, it's the Inhumans. Why are they all here? They're here to chew gum, do some space bullshit and listen to more flashbacks, and they're all out of gum.
This issue is mostly focused on this one strand, but that only makes it all the crazier when we get literally four panels of Angel's separated-from-the-others plotline in here, along with three panels of the still-going-nowhere Candy Southern plotline and five of Ka-Zar hanging out with Lorna and Alex. Lorna is admittedly serving cunt.
The main plotline, though, sees the FF and the reduced X-Men go back into space to deal some more with the Z'Nox, the evil aliens who Xavier had to psychic away from Earth in the waning days of the original series: Reed Richards, in his usual annoying way, has determined that they're still a threat and shown up with a hyperspace ship that transports them to the other side of the galaxy in seconds to go and, I dunno, do genocide to the Z'Nox or something.
As mentioned before, I don't really think X-Men is or should be a space opera book - there are elements of this stuff that work but readers don't come here for pure sci-fi and the incorporation of these elements is always realy rushed as entire galactic civilizations get introduced and dismissed in a few pages. This issue's last page takes a wild turn, however, as we're apparently getting into a little retroactive sneak preview of the Phoenix Force. Hmmm.
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