#Bad Arguments

[sagaofthevalley]

This website is bizarre sometimes...

The first thing they said was that people with my sign usually "pisses them off eugh".

Which was a strange thing to say.

After this they asked for my special interest, talked about tolkien and said im interested in veganism and anarchism (the last two literally being in my fucking BIO).

Then they said this:

First off. That first thing is genuinly fucked up to say to a vegan. Someone who activelly works against the exploitation and abuse of animals. This is kinda like going to a dog shelter and saying you want usually shoot and eat dogs and theyre not interested in doing anything.

That second thing is also wild. Vegetarianism and veganism is different. Vegetarianism is most often a diet. Veganism is a philosophy and idology, based of rights and reducing exploitation to a maximum extent. Im an anarchist, I became a vegan after becoming an anarchist. They are one and the same in my eyes. Part of one big ideology against authority and exploitation. Wether its exploitation of the working class or farmed animals does not matter, its all part of the same system in the end: capitalism and inhumanism.

Then the third is just funny since I AM a self suffiecient 24 year old whos responsible for myself as well as the people whom I literallt WORK with carrying for and assisting in daily life 💀

If I as a really poor 24 year old can be vegan, how does it not work for people who "dont sustain themselves financially".

Then they blocked me

Anti-veganism is not rational. Its an emotional response to a request for self-reflection, introspection and change for the better of all.

Please think before talking about veganism out of your ass. Cause things like this is CLEARLY projecting insecurities. People are uncomfortable about the idea of veganism and what it means about themselves. And this is so uncomfortable they hate on it without actual cause. (Dont talk about PETA Im not american and I know about them they are not an authority on veganism, I hate when people want to discuss veganism and just talks avout PETA.... like, I agree they're bad?!?! Thats not what talking about veganism is. Stop porjecting and talking about irellevant shit. Please think about yourself. Please consider changing your choices (if you can, if you cannot I will not ask this of you until it is possible for you to do so)

Please do introspection and try to stay ethically consitent. Thats all I ask. Think about yourself and the morality of your choices. Dont take it out on vegans. Were usually pretty cool people.

And please stop talking about killing and eating animals to people who just want to not support the worst parts of capitalism. Were often completemy anti-capitalist too. Its so cruel and so unecessary and mostly makes you look like an immature moron.

Thank you

[snapheart1536]

Bad Arguments

Thomas Seymour

'Dashing'

Perverts are always slobbering over Seymour's 'dashing' appearance.

For it is he:

See?

Well say no more.

She must've wanted it then.

...

Pretending that comedy cult-leader get-up is desirable is your signal to take action.

Chuck that book out the winder.

Might as well, 'cause said term inevitably precedes a heaving, self-insert sex fantasy, dripping with enough lip-smacking festering juiciness to make yer milk curl.

Female writers 'identify' with Parr, hence her inevitable depiction as long-suffering scholarly maiden, nobly sacrificing every lump of her precious spiritual self for The Greater Good, and yet, for all that, BURNING WITH FORBIDDEN PASSION, PEOPLE!

Like them.

Seymour, therefore, has the the most ludicrous turd-polish of the century, where a grungy, follically-unchallenged pædophile is re-packaged as some bizarre Mills-and-Boon vision of heroic ultra-manly masculine macho manliness.

Oh! To be held in those arms!

Now. NOW. Stop it.

Stop scrolling back to his picture.

He IS sexy!

HE IS!

You're just seeing it wrong!

You look with yer patch, not yer bloody eyes.

We're conditioned to 'be nice' and go along with the lie; to accept this frightening depravity o' theirs where Seymour truly is the pinnacle of muscular manhood, and definitely, totally doesn't resemble Hamburglar channeling Rasputin.

'Cause clearly, imagining a couple of middle-aged old duffers getting down to it and bumping some monumental uglies holds great appeal for Women Of A Certain Age.

Sadly, in the midst of this lurid wish-fulfillment sits the loathsome form of that darned Elizabeth; coming over here, being inconvenient and upsetting everyone.

Ooooh. What a bitch.

Not only does The Little Bastard insult All Wummunhud as queen by swearing off men, which novellists take VERY personally, but she's also got the bare-faced cheek to ruin their sordid squelch-athon as a kid by daring to exist.

She's a witch! Burn her!

Exactly. And obviously, it can't possibly be Scummy Scrummy Seymour's fault he kept bursting into a thirteen-year-old girl's room and sexually assaulting her.

Why accusing him would put a right dampner (and the wrong sort) on all these menopausal fits of hysteria, so that's gotta go.

What, this smouldering Adonis?

This tousle-haired, golden-eyed Gift From God, meaty muscles rippling like vomit on a bouncy castle?

You're blaming HIM for any of it?!

As if! It'll be that conniving teenage trollop luring away our shimmering Son of Adam with her fiendish feminine wiles.

Oooooooooh, BITCH!!!

Like the Venerable Parr, Seymour's fangirls don't care if he cheats with a cheap bit on the side, for that only enhances his gushing manliness, where m'lord's eruptions can't be satisfied by merely one woman, such is their epic overflow.

But whilst we excuse him, we certainly don't Elizabeth, what with her Shameless Betrayal Of The Sisterhood.

Well he's gonna tek it if it's onna plate, in'ee?!

Note we're never given any actual proof Elizabeth reciprocated; we're just ordered to accept it by default.

Come on, man. She Was An Adult. It's literally impossible she could ever turn him down.

Why?

Why?! WHY?! He was DASHING!!!

Indeed. I daresay the volcanic heat pulsing from his gorgeous groin was like beholding the scented fullness of mighty Zeus in all his brutish magnificence, and singed off her eyebrows.

Yet some sick freaks these days try to say SHE was the innocent party, and fended off his matted werewolf mitts the best she could.

Oh-ho! Well that's worse! Now the filthy whore's bloody ungrateful to boot!

Kids today, eh? They don't know they're born.

Damn straight. What the Wise Ones wouldn't give for five fabulous minutes beneath that bearded bushiness.

But here's scabby Elizabeth turning up her fat snooty nose at Hirsute Heaven!

Thinks she's too good for it, eh? Well we'll see about that.

Gaslighting the public to see Seymour as 'dashing' is vital to their sloppy narrative.

Admitting he's got the unwashed serial killer style down to a tee casts wicked aspersions on Parr's spotless character (and thus, by extension, their own), for having such disgusting tastes.

What are yer tryna say, man?! That Saint Parr ain't literally perfect?!

Thou jesteth!

Problem with kinning Parr is enjoying some Sasquatch Sexy Times through her fragment form would besmirch her oh-so elevated grace and dignity.

Therefore everything Wimmen are begging Cousin It to do to them they force on Elizabeth instead, panting at the prose yet all the while seething with rage and well jel.

That monkey's mine, bitch!

Yet the notion she found some groping geriatric attractive is blatantly absurd to the point of insanity, and the only reason it's the reflex interpretation is because these authors want it be to justify their own all-encompassing, eye-popping hatred, and infect the rest of us with it too.

They push this 'dashing' denial of reality as if that's evidence in itself, insisting Seymour was apparently irresistible in the extreme, where that hypnotic hairiness o' his easily outweighed being:

• Elizabeth's GUARDIAN!

• Elizabeth's STEPFATHER!

• Elizabeth's UNCLE!

• THRICE Elizabeth's age!

• Part of the faction that KILLED ELIZABETH'S MOTHER!!!

You know how it is, kids.

Sometimes elderly relatives are simply too flamin' fanciable for their own good.

Incest? Schmincest. Yer just gotta 'ave 'em.

And of course, the Real Question remains unanswered:

What is about the Thousand-Year-Old Hermit look that children find so sexy?

[kharmii]

You keep one bull around because cows are bleary-eyed dumb animals that stand around chewing grass all day with threads of drool hanging out of their jaws. Whey they are in heat, they'll let anything with a dick and balls bang them.

That gotcha moment at the end is like Asperger's gone wild. You just need men around to breed right? After all, what other kinds of shit do they do around here?

I kind of feel like I'm about to play Devil's advocate because realistically, most of the women getting abortions probably shouldn't breed anyway.

All the rest of the points are stupid. You can't compare today's society with readily available birth control to back when women were sent away to see grandma. It used to be argued that abortion should be legal but rare and only when medically necessary, such as in cases of rape or incest or when the mother's life is in danger.

Now we have the Big Abortion business where money changes hands every time a baby dies. They've admitted there's a lucrative business selling dead fetus parts. That's the real reason the fight is on to keep abortion on demand legal and plentiful.

Also, there's no danger of extremists shooting abortion doctors. It's happened, but it's more likely a harmless old lady will get beaten and thrown into prison for meerly praying in front of an abortion clinic. Hopefully Donald Trump will pardon such people soon.

YOU ONLY KEEP ONE BULL 

(Originally published in Comics For Choice)

[helenvaughans]

[dathen]

JONATHAN ARCHIVIST IS NOT STUPID SQUAD I WILL ALWAYS BE WITH YOU

[gilraina]

Tumblr in 2019: Do not ship the two popes from The Two Popes!!

Tumblr in 2025: It's okay to ship the cardinals from Conclave, but absolutely do not let that inspire you to become catholic

[indecisiveavocado]

I've gotten so bored of their 'arguments' i've started giving them good ones to use in my replies. alas they still won't use it. critique my implicit endorsement of utilitarianism! it's right there! don't just call me a nazi! here I'll even make it explicit if you draw the line there: utilitarianism has its problems but overall it's probably the best general ethical system we have!

though to be fair i might be on the extreme end even for jews, what with being the kid of a philosopher and a lawyer.

really bold of antisemites to come onto jumblr and try to win an argument. like we are professional arguers. get clowned on. we have been arguing about stuff for fun for like 2,500 years. I dare you to win an argument. my family has had arguments about everything from the capabilities of shrimp to categorizing napkin positions. our religious texts are full of ditch digging specifications and property law and how deep one should bow in (x) situation. You cannot talk to a rabbi without getting at least one book recommendation. Come on give us a challenge instead of screaming buzzwords. You have to say we are lying because that is the only way for you to compete. Smh ...

[arttsuka]

People need to stop blaming 'parasocial relationships' when it's revealed to the public that a famous person has done something controversial (or even a crime) and the public is upset. 'I can't believe xxx did that!' doesn't always mean that the person who said it has a parasocial relationship with xxx. Usually it's just our faith in humanity, we want to believe that everyone has some basic human decency (especially someone we might admire) and it's only natural to be disappointed when we learn they're a bad person.

[hymnsofheresy]

i wish left-leaning understood that most right-wing people don't have bad intentions. most conservative apologists for fascists or even fascists themselves don't wake up with the desire to be harmful. nor do they even have the full awareness of the evil they commit. sure, there are some people who are knowingly morally bankrupt and have no shame in the matter, but this is relatively rare (more people are apathetic than malicious).

but good intentions can still hurt others. good intentions can and does lead to violence. even fascism is rooted in a desire for "purity and goodness," which sounds nice without any of the context of what fascism actually entails. this is why everyone is susceptible to believing fascist ideology. though admittedly, some are more susceptible than others due to, usually, their material conditions.

[mental-mona]

Because we can all use the reminder of what bad arguments can look like.

[indecisiveavocado]

also: pro tip, if your best defense is "but MUH FREEZE PEACH", that's really just an admission of defeat. If the best argument you have is that it is not literally illegal to say something--if that is the best defense you can come up with--it is, at best, a very, very, strong suggestion that, in fact, you are wrong, strong enough that I propose this rule:

If someone uses "free speech" as a defense when said free speech involves private businesses and other non-governmental entities restricting speech, they automatically lose the argument.

Or, more pithily:

If the best argument in favor of your statement you have is "free speech", you automatically lose the argument.

people don’t seem to understand that while free speech exists and is obviously a very important thing for very good reasons, that doesn’t really apply to private businesses, or means that there won’t be any consequences for certain free speech.

Dave Portnoy (who is Jewish himself, I might add) has every right to fire anyone who was involved in the “fuck Jews” sign incident earlier. Dave is also allowed to be upset about it. you can feel free to say or do whatever you want, but then you can’t complain when the owner of a private business that you work for decides to punish you for it.

only saying this because I’ve seen a lot of people whining about free speech because of the incident at that barstool bar. no, what free speech means is that the government can’t punish you for saying “fuck the Jews” or any other religious group. and they shouldn’t be able to. because as much as I disagree with that statement, it’s still free speech. private businesses, however, don’t have to follow that.

[snapheart1536]

Bad Arguments

Elizabeth I

She Never Said Nuffin!

Every excuse defends Seymour:

Me: Oh no! He's breaking into her room again!

Them: Listen up, stupid: Girls Could Marry At Twelve.

See? Stepdaughters are fair game now I've said that.

DON'T JUDGE HIM.

But damns Elizabeth:

Me: Poor baby. I do feel sorry for her.

Them: Um? She Was An Adult.

AH-DULT.

You know, gagging for it.

If she didn't totally want rape she would've done the honourable thing and died at birth.

Bitch.

Amazing how their oh-so precious Context always absolves him of guilt, yet brands her a whore in the exact same Perfectly Normal situation.

Funny that.

Now you forgot all about Elizabeth begging Seymour not to touch her and take this seriously like a true pearl-clutching Intelleckchul, for this line pops out when the other two don't work.

WELL! Well! I mean...well!

Well...she...she...She Nevah Sed Nuffin about it, did she?

Ah! Ah! Well that just shows, doesn't it!

Why are they so adamant Elizabeth enjoyed sexual abuse?

No matter the evidence we give, it's NEVER enough, yet we're pressured to accept the most warped readings of history as true.

All so they can vilify a thirteen-year-old girl.

Class.

Apparently Elizabeth not rushing down the pub and giving it good gossip about her uncle-step-dad feeling her up is proof positive she loved every minute; saying nowt precisely so the happy days just kept on rollin'.

Otherwise all those innumerable, ultra-powerful killjoy relatives o' hers might swoop in and put a stop to it, the bastards.

Strange. I thought staying silent was the textbook reaction to child abuse.

Nah. Turns out behaving like your typical victim proves it was never abuse at all.

Mmm-hmm.

I'm wondering now what evidence is acceptable, if even the tell-tale signs of distress aren't enough.

Why, nothing! Nothing at all!

Yeah. A girl whose mother and stepmother were murdered on false charges of sexual shenanigans naturally should've gone round bragging how she was on the receiving end of 'em for real.

As that'll turn out well.

Weird, innit? She grows up knowing society kills women for adultery, and then gets desperate to preserve her own reputation.

Come on, love. Lighten up.

What's the worse that could happen?

Nope. No downsides here.

Yet who was she supposed to tell?

DUH! Her parents, dummy!

But they're dead.

...

Well OBVIOUSLY her guardians.

But they're the ones molesting her.

...

AH! AH! How about her brother, eh? Eh?!

You want a thirteen-year-old girl to explain to a nine-year-old boy how his uncle and stepmother are interfering with her body?

AND for this to go through his other uncle, and thereby spread about the court?

...

OH! Whaddabowt Mary?! Ah, you forget that!

So she'd side with Anne Boleyn's daughter in a 'sex scandal', would she, withstanding all the resulting controversy whilst fully convinced of her innocence?

As if!

You're telling me Elizabeth had NO ONE to turn to, but should be ripped apart anyway?

For they can't sympathize on instinct; she's gotta earn it like a dog, jumping through an endless line of ever-shrinking hoops, which she doesn't even know are there.

It's up to her to fulfill their impossible demands to 'deserve' pity.

And THIS is moral righteousness?

But the worst part?

Abused children live in shame and terror, convinced they brought it on themselves and won't be believed.

Then here come the 'experts' blaming adult perversions on Elizabeth for turning twelve, interpreting everything she did in the worst light to justify their own raving hatred.

In doing so they confirm the fears every victim feels, perpetuating pædophilia by keeping the suffering silent.

[bruciemilf]

One of my biggest gripes about the dc fandom is how simplified and stripped down ‘child soldier’ became as a term.

Like, ya’ll, I don’t think forcing a rich guy to take you in and make him teach you martial arts is equal to having your entire childhood ripped from the root up for military purposes. That’s just me tho idk

[littlefankingdom]

How the fandom portrays Bruce and Dick learning Red Hood (not knowing it's Jason) is 19-ish:

Bruce: Don't care, didn't ask.

Dick: OMG, he's just a BABY.

How Bruce and Dick would canonically react:

Bruce: He's still a teen. He's just a kid. OMG, I probably hit him too hard, shame on me. Maybe if I play my cards right, he will accept to be mentored.

Dick: Ok, so he is not a child. I can and will beat his ass.

[embervoices]

You're also absolutely never going to persuade the people making and using the AI with this argument.

Engineers - especially Computer Engineers - have a saying:

"Necessity is the Mother of Invention; Laziness is the Father."

If labor the hard way is so incredibly virtuous, why do we have any tools? Literally, every tool that exists, exists to make the job take less labor.

Planned Laziness is an engineering virtue - take the time now to make the tool that helps you with the job more efficient, so you can spend less time later on doing the job correctly. You make the tool once and do the job repeatedly, so that early diligence allows later sloth.

[jingerpi]

Nazi Germany lasted for ~10 years. the US' genocide of indigenous people inspired the Nazis, and we've been at it for ~500 years. 55 MILLION indigenous turtle Islanders were killed by American colonialists. Tell me again why we're arguing over whether or not these bourgeois politicians are 99% Hitler? This country is far worse than the Nazis were even remotely capable of. There are nearly 1.8 MILLION people in Slavery in the United States right now. This country is cartoon levels of evil, and beyond that! it's beyond parody! it's worse than you can possibly imagine. and that's just two examples over the 500 years they've been at this, and they only domestically! Do you have any idea what the ruling class has done in other countries? the war and famine they've intentionally induced from profits? The millions they've bombed? The only country to ever use nuclear bombs! and it was on civilians!

So yes, of course we cry out death to [US]America. Do you seriously not understand how deeply deeply evil this country is? Again:

Death to the USA