#Abigail Hobbs is still alive

[fruityspaceboy]

Abigail: *bringing her boyfriend home and they kiss in front of them*

Will: *shocked* Jesus Christ !

Hannibal: *disgusted* It’s like a car crash… You can’t take your eyes of it…

[rearranging-deck-chairs]

hang on are cougars like panthers

[licensetocannibalize]

Hannibal Season 4 Predictions:

Frederick Chilton gets hit by a meteor. And Lives.

Abigail Hobbs is revealed to be alive, after Will Graham successfully faked her death at the end of season 2.

Winston the dog swims to Cuba to reunite with Will Graham.

Hannibal has a 2,000 page long Wedding binder. He is still waiting for Will Graham to propose.

Will Graham takes up deep-sea fishing.

Jimmy Price and Brian Zeller celebrate their tenth wedding anniversary.

A wing in the BAU is named in Beverly Katz honor.

Alana Bloom and Margot Verger happily raise their family.

Jack Crawford heads task force dedicated to locating the Murder Husbands. Clarice Starling is his first draft.

[pesky--dust]

We all laugh (or get annoyed) at Jack for being stupid. I do it myself, but let me stand up for him right now.

Let me start quite obviously: Jack had no ill intentions when he brought Will Graham into the FBI's work. He was convinced that Will could save lives and was ready to support him in that — he wanted Alana Bloom to be his psychological support, and when she refused, he went to the psychiatrist she recommended — Hannibal Lecter.

Yes, I'm annoyed myself with how he keep putting pressure on Will (e.g. episode Coquilles: "You go back to your classroom and there’s more killing that you could have prevented, it will sour that classroom forever") and his way of thinking, which he admitted to Hannibal Lecter in Buffet froid, which I will show with a fragment of the script of the said episode:

(that feeling when you agree with cannibalistic serial killer)

It was after Coquilles in which Will said that he want to quit because it is bad for him, so no Jack, I don't think Will feels the same way.

But this post was supposed to be a defense of Jack Crawford, so let's get back on topic.

Jack didn't know the truth about Hannibal, he didn't know that Will had autoimmune encephalitis, and he had no reason not to believe Hannibal that what was wrong with Will was psychological. After all, Dr. Lecter was the psychiatrist recommended to him! And Jack had every right to believe that Hannibal was giving Will the psychological help he needed in his work with the FBI.

And Hannibal prepared the ground for the version that Will has a mental disorder. The story that Hannibal presented made sense: due to his empathy disorder, Will began to believe that he was G.J. Hobbs and continued his work, ultimately taking the life of his daughter.

Jack recruited Will to work with the FBI, believing in his abilities, but Hannibal made him believe that the job had broken Graham mentally. And it's not unusual for disappointed patients to blame their therapists, so it would be quite a natural turn of events for Will to start claiming that Hannibal is the copycat killer, just to avoid being the one to blame. And there was no evidence against Hannibal, because he took care of it.

And now let me focus on the episode titled Yakimono.

Miriam Lass turned out to be alive. Hannibal's partial fingerprint was found at the place where she was held! And on top of that, Dr. Chilton referenced a cannibalistic joke he heard from Hannibal! And Jack ignored it all!!!

But are you sure? In my opinion, he was already planning to use Will again. I think Jack started to suspect something when Beverly Katz was murdered. In Futamono, he tested the food served at Hannibal's party. No human flesh was found there. With Yakimono though, Will's honey pot act in regards of Hannibal begins.

And my theory may seem to make no sense to you, but let me dig into it.

Let me show you a deleted scene from Kaiseki which I find particularly important, crucial one, here:

Tl;dr: Hannibal is social anti social, Will can shape him somehow, because Hannibal believes that Will is as unique as him himself.

Which leads to the conclusion that…

To catch Hannibal, the FBI must take advantage of his weakness towards Will.

And during his honey pot act, Will was still working with Jack, so why wouldn't Jack trust him? However, in Mizumono, Will called Hannibal, warning him, which led to the bloodbath, so why, even after hearing in Aperitivo that Will wanted to run away with Hannibal and a part of him would always want to (Dolce), did Jack continue to trust him? I think it was because Jack thought Will blamed himself for Abigail's death and since he was trying so hard to be a parent to her, he thought that if he ran away with Hannibal, Abigail would be still alive. And in the end, Will "got" Hannibal arrested, right?

Why did Jack allow Hannibal's fake escape in The Wrath of the Lamb and involved Will in that?

In my opinion it connects with the paragraph from earlier. Three years had passed, Will had gotten married, adopted his wife's son, so he had mentally recovered from the bloodbath and the death of his surrogate daughter, right? He told Jack he was really happy, right?

Will may have warned Hannibal and wanted to run away with him, but he was the reason Hannibal was caught. Three years have passed and Will has gotten himself together. In front of Jack he was playing (at least partially) about how he doesn't want to be drawn into the "game" he was playing with Hannibal again, he warned Molly that when he came back he would be different (he didn't come back), he said Alana that seeing Hanniabal for the first time in three years made him feel like Hannibal was looking through to the back of his skull; felt like a fly flitting around in there (... and the Woman Clothed with the Sun), he assured her that he wouldn't let Hannibal into his head again. Will seemed to be traumatized by all this. Up until...

This is the scene where Will is in Jack's office watching what the Dragon has done to Chilton (The Number of the Beast is 666). He looks terrified, panicked, and then suddenly… he becomes sort of relaxed, calm? Would you agree with that? I guess so. But have you ever noticed that there is a transition between these two reactions? It is in front of Jack and Alana that he is terrified, in front of Bedelia he is calm and admits to her that maybe he exposed Chilton to the Dragon on purpose because he actually hates him (just like in the book, although in the book he set Freddy Lounds up to the Dragon).

Will played in front of Jack until the end. Even when suggesting using Hannibal as bait, Will pretends he's not 100% sure it will work, even though he already had a deal with Francis Dolarhyde (The Wrath of the Lamb). It was us as the audience who knew this, not Jack.

I think that Jack believed Will, because he wanted to; it was his way of trying to rehabilitate himself after what Will had to go through because of him because Jack didn't believe him from the beginning that Hannibal was the Copycat. I think that after it turned out that Hannibal was not only the Copycat Killer, but also the Chesapeake Ripper, Jack decided to never doubt Will's abilities again. And that doomed him, just as Kade Prunnell and Alana Bloom predicted.

[i-bit-the-dust-it-was-yummy]

Hannibal nbc’s found family concept is just a lot of shared trauma (and murder).

Will never had a family, really, Hannibal had his family "taken" from him at a young age, and Abagails family was dysfunctional enough for her father to kill her mother and then try to kill her.

So, they created their own.

Hannibal became the father figure Abigail really needed, and wanted. She bonded with him, and killed with him in a way she was proud-ish of. In a way she could get with Garret Jacob Hobbs. Hannibal grew to care for Abigail, and eventually went through with what her father never finished.

As much as I despise the feminization of Will Graham, he is the mother of their family. (The murder family)

Will became the mother figure Abigail created in her mind, after her mother’s death. Abigail and Will never bonded with one another as well as her and Hannibal did. They had a weird tension with one another, but they still had love. Wills love for Abigail felt like one of a mother, which he never had.

In the end of it all, tying in their ‘Murder family’, and Abigails original family every thing is the opposite.

Abagails story starts by being the sole survivor of her family in the kitchen, but ends up being the only one truly dead in the murder family. She also ends up with no new scar than the one she had before.

Will, the mother in this, gets cut first, like Abigail’s mother. Instead of dying first, he bleeds until eventually passing out. He survives but left with a scar.

Hannibal, aka Garret Jacob Hobbs in this situation, stabbed the both of them, but ends up unharmed and alive. He is the sole person unharmed in this situation. Unlike Hobbs who had the most scars when he was killed.

Thank you for coming to my Ted talk.

[maxwiththeaxe]

Has anyone taken advantage of the fan fiction idea of Hannibal being in a mafia?

Family dead from other mafia family, got into killing and cannibalism, rebuilt the mafia family he had to its prime again before meeting Will.

Maybe Will accidentally gets involved by the classic “oops I saw something I shouldn’t” or maybe was involved in something gone bad for Hannibal to be like “They might not see it as an acccident or something” to get Will to be in his debt and then they become bestiiieeesss.

Will can get involved with Jacob Hobbs who could be just a low ranking thug or something that he accidentally kills.

Hannibal maybe has a little talk with Will to be like “yo, we don’t need you blubbering about our very new trade with the East coast when we just started” and tries to intimidate him.

Maybe Will doesn’t stay away since the guilt eats him alive and his daughter Abigail didn’t even know her dad was a thug. He tries to help in any way that isn’t too creepy like leaving tips for her at her normal teen job of serving or something.

Hannibal, who already set up steps to ensure that Abigail has plenty of money to live a good life, doesn’t want Will spilling the beans that her dad was a thug since Hannibal already pulled a lot of strings to make the death look unrelated to the mob and the suspicious amount of money suddenly appearing look not so suspicious after reaching out to some connections.

Hannibal holds the info above Will that he can at any time have the cops know that Will killed Jacob Hobbs with one phone call.

Will still has difficulty staying away, even ends up hiring Abigail for dog sitting. Hannibal is like “seriously?”.

Will ends up telling law enforcement, taking the risk that they may convict him since he was withholding criminal activity info in an attempt to stop everything once and for all. But it is bad timing because Abigail is starting to wonder about the circumstances around her father’s death.

When Abigail Hobbs realizes that stuff is shady, she dies after being in the wrong place wrong time where a crossfire occurs after Hannibal attempts to return to Europe where his main mafia stuff is.

People want a scapegoat, Will is thrown in prison. Agents attempt to talk to him about it, but Will is inconsolable since Abigail is dead and the same agents he helped to almost catch Hannibal were now in front of him talking about how they found Abigail’s blood but not her body.

Hannibal has Abigail return with him to Europe, Abigail misses Will and Hannibal does too but doesn’t say shit about it.

The day before Will is to be convicted for Abigail’s death and other stuff, the case is thrown out after some unknown reason.

Will is pissed about Abigail, and Hannibal knows that. He sends Randal to try to take care of Will for him, but Randal fails and Will now has intentionally killed someone and pretty brutally, setting up his corpse as a sign to Hannibal.

Hannibal is kinda like “leave me alone, but don’t because I kinda like is hehehe”

Buuuuut at some point Abigail figures out Will is also in the country and wants to visit and such, but the agents did some digging around and made a few calls to see what Will was up to in Europe since many weren’t convinced he didn’t kill Abigail, for her to die after a stand off where the police were like “yo your dad was a criminal, and your new dad Hannibal is the reason why” for Abigail to be like “bitch stfu” and she dies by getting shot.

Will gets shot too, almost dies too, but lives and is hospitalized and arrested. There has to be discussion first to know if he will be sent back or not since he was involved in now two cases in different countries.

While they figure that out, which will take a while, Hannibal gets his men to drug Will and wheelchair him out if there to him.

Will is AGAIN inconsolable, now in a foreign place, with a foreign man who might or might not kill him, he has no interest in hanging out with Hannibal no matter the fatherly bond they may have shared with Abigail.

Will gets an offer by one of Hannibal’s men who was secretly hoping to get Hannibal since he had some past trouble from Hannibal’s mafia stuff, and Will takes his offer out of desperation since he is grieving the loss of Abigail.

Hannibal has a close call but lives, and he is kinda like “maybe this dude needs some time after what happened, maybe he should go back home”.

Hannibal gives him a new identity to start anew, and sends Will back to America for Will to try to piece back a life he had before in idk Maine or something so he can be a fisherman since Will would probably like that.

Will has a small boat, his little cabin, and his side hustle or selling fish for some income, but mainly is off grid.

Hannibal focuses on strengthening the connection of the East coast to Europe for better Western international relations.

Will on the other hand, had a lot of thinking to do. And sets off on his boat to Europe because why not?

Off to Europe he goes like a little pirate.

Will decided to visit a place Hannibal mentioned, the fancy church in Europe that Hannibal imagines in his mind palace to forgive Hannibal. Hannibal is like “damn, cool” and then they meet up at the museum and yada yada yada I can continue it if anyone is interested. Just an idea.

[rey-jake-therapist]

I often wondered why Hannibal told Abigail he couldn't protect "in THIS life"... It seemed like a strange choice of words, especially coming from a man who always choose wisely the words he chooses...

It's only today that it hit me: Abigail didn't just remind him of Mischa. She WAS Mischa in his mind. Or he dearly hoped she would be. I don't know if Hannibal believes in a concept as abstract as reincarnation, but when he regrets he couldn't protect Abigail in "this life", that's what it evokes to me: that Hannibal is looking for reincarnations of his sister in every female figure he bonds with; Abigail seemed to be the perfect receptacle for Mischa's spirit as he could be both a sibling and a father figure to her, just like he was to Mischa...

And it explains also his tears, when he talked about Abigail's death to Bedelia while she wasn't really dead: I think he was genuine when he said a part of him kept hoping for proofs that "Abigail" was still alive: in his mind, Abigail/Mischa effectively died in Gareth Jacob Hobbs' house...

[theredofoctober]

BONUS MANNA CONTENT

Between writing chapters I may drop fragments of 'Little One's diaries regarding her captivity under Will and Hannibal. Chronologically out of order

Characters: Reader or Little One (OC)/Will Graham

TW: eating disorders, noncon, kidnapping

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FUNERAL BELL

Diary,

I've forgotten what wind feels like, in here. The air is so still that I can almost see it, silver prisms cutting across everything like shattered glass. The wind, the rain, I hear it all the time, but what it felt like on my skin I don't remember, whatever's left of the sensation out of focus, like a mirage, like a dream.

I used to spend hours staring out of windows, waiting for appointments and difficult conversations to be over. Now it seems it's almost all I do, hopeless and forlorn. The leaves are maroon, and so many cleave to the branches still that it's like the world beyond Hannibal's house is holding a ragged breath, waiting for me to do something.

Waiting for me to do wrong.

I've grown superstitious, in this dark place, death place, this cenotaph of shadows. Every cobweb and shrouded corner is hungrier than I am, desperate for someone to throw its secrets to the light.

My fathers— they made me like this.

If they are men, and just men, then I'd fear to know anyone beyond these walls again in horror that they, too, might hide that sanguine appetite, not only to kill, but fuck and torment as they will, and anyone they want.

They didn't sleep with Abigail Hobbs, but tossed her between their affections like orcas toying with a stone-battered seal, tearing her to pieces in their ruinous embrace.

They tear and tear at me, too, but I don't die, will never die.

I've always believed that, in some way, my absence of eating made me immortal, cleansed me to such strengths that no ailment could touch me, no failure of organs, nor any symptom common to the things I did. Bed sores, losing my monthly blood, and all the bad temper I could summon failed to break me; even now, cold and logical before the desk my jailer brought for me, I'm sure my illness makes me special, blessed as the saints were that starved, as I do.

This struggle between me and the men— it makes all three of us feel so very much more alive, I see that now. But I resent the power they take from me, that they would quench the last fire I had to survive the nights I can't undo.

I use them, for what they will give me, which isn't much, unless I play their girl. It's getting easier, even without the drugs, to the point that when I hear that whimpering voice, and see the crumpled pantomime of my expression in a mirrored surface, I ask myself: am I just pretending, or is that me? Has that always been me, the fossil of my first self, dug forcefully to the surface?

I can't stop thinking about this afternoon, and what I did to purchase the rarity of a phone call to my parents. Hannibal will no longer allow it— I become too agitated, he says; he doesn't like me crying for others. He's possessive, like that, they both are. My pain is distilled in their bottles, to be savoured by its brewers alone.

Today I clambered onto Will's lap and offered myself for him to drink. I ground myself upon his desperation, watched veins rise upon his clenched fists as I made him hard under the malice of my motions. I tasted the malt of his sweat and the cologne on his pretty white neck as I kissed my way up to his red mouth.

"One," he said, grimly— he always says 'One', a grudging attempt at Dr Lecter's nickname for me. "What are you doing?"

"I want that call, Daddy," I whimpered, into his throat —the veins in it jump-jump-jumped; I wanted to crack them in my teeth like shells and watch him cool in waxen death in Dr Lecter's armchair. I wanted to cry in his shoulder like a princess orphaned by war. I wanted him to fill up the volcanic yawn of my hunger with his fingers and cock to pestle my grief.

"Hannibal said no, but I'll let you do anything," I said— traitor, fork-tongued liar. "I just want to hear their voices. Please, please, please—"

Will ran so hot beneath me I thought I'd made him ill with my affection. I think maybe I had. He wanted to fuck me until I wept; he wanted to put me to bed as though I was very small, and forget that he'd ever touched me, I could feel it.

"If he said no, then why are you asking me?" he asked, through gritted teeth, but I felt his hands on my waist, touching me so awkwardly, with so much needy want that suddenly I needed him inside me, just to squeeze my knuckles shut around that spare shred of power.

"Because you love me," I said, looking into the November waves of his soft eyes, "and I hate you. And you don't want me to hate you. So help me. Please. Please. Please."

I put my tongue into his slick mouth and he moaned so pathetically that I was in awe, for a moment, that he was my captor, and I was not his. But then he was ripping at his buckle like a monk fallen before God in his love of women, and I remembered that I was afraid of him— too late, as the perspiring moon flesh of his hands drew me apart, and he thrust his cock in me with my mouth still on his.

The pleasure— I wish I could pick it out like a knot, that I could put a pin through a doll of it and see it die. But I still feel it all, now, the shift of his pelvis up into mine, his shaking hands on the back of my neck, on my thighs, promise in every fumbled grasp.

I hated him, held back tears even as my middle gleamed with the dirt of him inside me.

"You can call home in the morning," he said, between kisses that will haunt me like the dead. "I'll convince Dr Lecter that you've earned it. And... I think you have."

I lay in his lap, afterwards, his seed warm within me, my face in his shirt, breathing him in, wishing the spores of his pale skin alone could kill me.

Galerina marginata, they call the Funeral Bell, a mushroom that poisons its eater. I'm starting to think that I'm like that, to Will and Hannibal; for every bite of me they dig, dig down into an earthen darkness.

I think I want to see how far they'll go.

[super-who-locked-me-in-here]

It's really sad to think about how little control Will had over Abigail's fate when you really stop to think about it.

When we see him in the beginning of season 1 figuring out who GJH is, he's aware of Abigail. He doesn't know her, and he doesn't exactly care about her yet (in more than a "I hope this girl is still alive and I have to save as many lives as possible" kind of way). There's this idea that Abigail is the "golden ticket" and yes she's in danger, but it's not immediate danger. At least not until Hannibal steps in and warns GJH of their impending arrival.

Will is relatively calm when he shows up at the Hobbs' house, until Mrs. Hobbs comes stumbling out the front door covered in blood. That's when he realizes the girl he doesn't know, Abigail, is in danger, if she isn't already dead. And he arrives in the kitchen a little too late. And if Hannibal hadn't come with Will, if Hannibal had not been curious to see what would happen, there would have been nothing for Will to do to save Abigail's life. Will could beg Hannibal to save her life, but Hannibal did not have to. He chose to do so to sate his own curiosity and save appearances.

Then Will develops encephalitis, and Hannibal is in control of that too. He knows, and he keeps Will in the dark, and it makes Will a danger to himself and others, to Abigail. He's suddenly not well enough to decipher what is real and what's not for the most part, what are his actions and what are actions taken against him. And Hannibal decides for Will, and for Abigail, that it is time for Abigail to go into hiding, and the only way to do that is by faking her death at Will's expense.

And Hannibal is still keeping Will in the dark in season 2. Will cries to him about missing Abigail, about regretting his actions, about regretting Hannibal's actions as he knows them. But it's over, right? It's done with. When Will betrays Hannibal, he has no idea that he is endangering Abigail. As much as Will probably knew that night in Hannibal's kitchen would likely end in blood, he had no way of knowing it would end with Abigail's blood. Once again, Abigail's fate was in Hannibal's hands, not Will's.

Even after Abigail is dead, she is not gone. She stays with Will, in his mind, for months, and even as she is a figment of Will's own imagination, her actions and words are still under Hannibal's influence, because the part of Will that made that afterimage of Abigail, the part that said "He wanted us to live", still caters to Hannibal's beliefs and best interests which don't always necessarily align with Will's.

Abigail as Will knew her was in death, as she was in life, inexplicably chained to Hannibal. And as much as Will always wanted to know her and care for her, as much as he was compared to Abigail's own biological father, he was the weak link in their little family.

[plain-as-pandemonium]

Do you think Bedelia ever asked Hannibal who exactly he served up to her as tete de veau? Would she want to know? Or would she decide that she did not want/need to know that particular detail.

Questions and statements, yay!!!!! Thank you, darling

You know, I really wish that I had thought to ask you this question because I think your answer would be really interesting. I hope you'll share it with me after I give you my answer, which is probably ... less interesting lol

As I've mentioned before on this blog, I'm not 100% convinced that the meal he brought her at the end of S1 was not veal. While the meal is heavily implied to be Abigail Hobbs (even in Janice Poon's notes for that episode), we know it wasn't her because she's still very much alive and in possession of everything but her one ear in S2. So if it's not Abigail, then it's just as likely to be actual veal as it is to be human meat.

(What do those odds say about your dinner companions, Bedelia? 👀)

But even if Bedelia didn't know for sure what she was eating at time of the veal dinner, she would have known enough to wonder by the time she was living in Florence with Hannibal. I don't think it's a stretch to say that's a major reason why in S3 she refuses to eat anything with a central nervous system: The idea of eating human meat unsettles her.

As such, I can't see her asking him that question, or even wanting to know. What purpose would it serve? If she believes it was human, then she now knows what human meat tastes like and she isn't interested in repeating the experience. If she believes it was not human, then it was a good meal and an interesting memory, so why spoil it by revealing her discomfort to Hannibal and potentially having him exploit that discomfort. Knowing who he killed to make that meal wouldn't make her feel any better, and there's nothing to be done about it now regardless, so I don't see her letting it trouble her.

But what do you think?

[pumpkinfreak]

Watching Hannibal for the first time

I watched the first three episodes of this beloved cult classic. Is this considered a cult classic? I don't know, but I do have opinions.

Right off the bat, this guy, Will Graham, he's okay. He is a guy, I loved that little scene in the first episode with all his dogs. I wish there were more character moments like this in the proceeding two episodes. Instead, it's just a lot of him being gifted and tortured. I do like that he is introduced as being on the Autism Spectrum. Other than that kinda dull.

Then there's this guy. I love him, I understand the hype. The second Mads Mikkelsen popped up on my screen I wanted to see more of him as Hannibal. He is instantly intriguing, so charming, completely unnerving, and yet I want to hold him gently in the moonlight.

This bitch, right here. Freddie has my blood pressure peaking. Even her hair pisses me off, I'm saying that as a white woman with very curly hair. This lady gets up every day and painstakingly styles that hair just so it can contaminate crime scenes. She dresses like Hanna Barbara villain to manipulate people.

The actual show itself, or at least the first three episodes, is pretty good. My biggest issue at the moment is Will, I just don't find him very interesting, compared to his counterpart, Hannibal. Also, some of the acting is lackluster.

I was surprised at how sexual this show is. I went into this basically blind and assumed any posts about it was typical Tumbler horniness. I say that with all the love in the world. However, this show is deeply sexual in all the ways that make your stomach turn.

Obviously, the relationship between Hobbs and Abigail has blatant incestuous tones. He wants to eat, and use every part of girls that look like his daughter. We also have the first scene with Freddie, naked and smiling, looking over crime scene photos. Of course, there's also Hannibal watching people eat the meals he makes them. It is all so sickening and the most enthralling part of the show so far. A little peek at how sex can wrap inside an unwell mind.

My absolute favorite part was the mushroom murders. What a way to start the second episode of a series. The makeup looked phenomenal. One was still alive. The killer being a pharmacist unlocked a new fear inside me. Such a neat concept, I cannot wait to watch more.

[rearranging-deck-chairs]

Hi hello I watched all of carmilla in a weekend when I was 17 because a student teacher who in retrospect I had a bit of a crush on mentioned that she knew one of the actresses. also I am pretty invested in all your recent vampire stuff because I watched iwtv in 2 days last week because your edit intrigued me

oh hiiii 🫶 thank you for indulging me. thats so cool that you watched iwtv! did it live up to the expectation?

i also watched carmilla at 17! or like, 17-19. i found it when s2 had just started and followed it to the end. did something permanent to my brain but i think it was a good thing. on rewatch now im like, i was right to like this. like it's a solid show, it's good. it has its flaws obviously but it's well written, the emotional moments still get me, i can see why i liked it and i still like it now even when it's not anymore, you know, meeting every need that baby gay me didnt even know they had

what it doesnt reaallyy do though - i dont remember if i posted abt this or if i left it in my drafts but - is explore vampirism as a concept. their subject matter is more lesbianism than vampirism. which is great! thats what they wanted to do and they did it and it's very good. but reading interview with the vampire the book rn im realising how much potential vampires have to be metaphors for like so many things and i started wondering like 'wait, did carmilla just not really engage with it or did it all go over my head'. but it just didnt really engage with it all that much. which again is fine bc that wasnt what they were doing. im glad they were more about the lesbianism than the vampirism

but there's this interesting difference in framing, because in iwtv they keep calling armand 'ancient' right? and emphasising how old he is. and he's like 500? and i was like 'wait isnt carmilla like 400?'. she isnt, shes 340, but still, thats getting there, you know? and we know quite a lot about her history, but kind of just the Big Events. when she was turned, the events of the novella, coffin of blood, silas. thats sort of what we know. but none of the long lonely slog of history day to day you know? with armand i feel like we can really feel how much time everything takes. how every one of those years is made up of single days. with carmilla i dont feel that as much. i keep kind of thinking about daniel, when louis calls him a boy in the first episode, saying "im an old man, with all the triggers that come with it"

because carmilla might look 18 (or mid twenties at this point) but she has lived all that time. shes also seen her native land be claimed by like a succession of ruling powers, right? like armand. shes been buried alive, like louis. when lestat is born, shes already 80 years old, shes lived a whole human lifetime, and the entire adult part of it shes been a vampire. shes lived through 1680-1870 being a lure. i compared her to abigail hobbs in some tags on a post, i dont know if youre familiar with hannibal the tv show, but i do also kinda keep thinking about that comparison

if youre not familiar, in the first episode of hannibal the murderer of the week is this guy garrett jacob hobbs who kills and cannibalises girls who resemble his daughter. and later on it turns out she was made to be his lure. like they'd go places and he'd sent her to the victims to make friends and maybe get them back to their home or smth. not sure if they specified all the details. but that's what carmilla did for mother. and in s2 we hear from mattie that while every couple of decades carmilla had to lure victims for the fish god, she also seemed to just enjoy humans between those times, right? like the doctor, gets lonely, gets a new companion. but we've only sort of got mattie's mocking word for it ("dont eat him, hes a poet! or her, shes got such a wonderful voice. or that one, shes just too pretty to ruin"), we don't know exactly from carmilla's point of view what she was doing or why. if mattie's talking about stuff that happened after the blood coffin, 1950-now, then i think it's a fair assumption based on what carmilla says in the s1 sock puppet show that after she'd figured out what the real situation was and what her role in it was, when she'd started trying to save girls from being sacrificed, that she mightve been doing the same trying to save people from becoming mattie's victims. it's probably more likely that she was just trying to find excuses to stop mattie from sucking someone dry rather than actually having like an aesthetic based morality. but it might be a bit of both. im still trying to figure out what her philosophy actually is, like i dont know what existentialism actually means ghkfjghkj but i will

i also found it pretty striking in the movie when shes turning back into a vampire she says like "this was supposed to be done, you know? the blood lust, the self-loathing, the sleeping tied to a chair in my own bedroom". thats what defines her vampirism, wanting blood and hating yourself for it (the third part is a joke/reference to s1 but also i think meaningful for how she sees her relationship with laura when she IS a vampire. little bit of that 'she will reject me for my monstrousness' shining through). and thats what defines vampirism for lots of vampires across the genre obviously, but i dont know, it struck me. we dont get a lot from carmilla's pov, we know a fair amount about her, but the story is always told through laura. we get laura's diaries, but just snippets here and there from carmilla, what shes thinking, how shes feeling

and i love that shes a philosopher. i love that thats how she seems to try and find something to hold onto, in a world that kind of moves around her, having been murdered, kidnapped, turned and groomed to be a lure on the cusp of adulthood, never having been properly loved (the relationship with her father wasnt good she says in s3, and her mortal mother i dont think has ever been mentioned (like laura's)). the only good relationship she seems to have had for the better part of 3 centuries seems to have been mattie, and mattie seems to love being a vampire. i can imagine carmilla just sort of going along with anything mattie wants to do just because shes so desperate for that friendship. not like, against her will necessarily really. but more like, she hasnt even had the space to develop her own will, you know? and philosophy lets you do that. philosophy gives you frameworks to understand the world and to develop your own opinions on it. and by the 21st century she seems to have developed those opinions, she has a sense of her own values, but shes also still stuck in that same situation. shes jaded and cynical in the face of laura's optimism and strong moral code a lot of the time in s1 because she feels probably pretty powerless. like she does what she can to save some girls but at the end of the day shes scared of her mother and she has nowhere else to go really, right?

i like how she grapples with that over the course of the series, in tandem with laura grappling with her black and white morality. she sort of jumps ship from her mother to laura bc theyve fallen in love, but then laura still stuck in her hero thinking refuses to see her monstrous side. not literally bc i think the biological vampirism never seemed to be a problem for laura, but morally. the having murdered. carmilla needs laura to see that and love her while seeing it bc the last girl she loved rejected her for being a vampire.

but you see her kind of swing back and forth in s2. she softens first with laura but then they break up and she leans back hard into the sarcastic cynic defense mechanisms, leans hard into "im a monster, dont expect heroism from me". but thats like, it's sort of learned helplessness i think. it's powerlessness, resignation. bc morally shes not a monster. maybe she doesnt have as strong a drive to help other people as laura does and is a little more selfishly hedonistic in that she just wants to enjoy her/their life, but she doesnt hurt people for fun, she never has. she just sort of didnt have another option for a Really long time. so she pretends she doesnt care. "im a vampire, this is what i do, this is who i am". but clearly from the way she talks about it when she turns back into one, she doesnt enjoy it

and i like how she goes even further in s3, where she starts swinging even more to the heroic side, bc she sees hope. shes like "wow if we kill my mother, i'd be free". theres hope and she becomes like a lot more active. and shes like that at the start of the movie too, a lot happier, a lot more relaxed, and then vampirism is back and bam depression gfhgkjh like shes immediately more gloomy, ashamed of her past and her self, retreats into herself

sorry i just took this as an opportunity to dump all the carmilla thoughts floating in my head on you. you didnt ask fhkghgjh consider this an open invitation to you or anyone else to come talk to me about carmilla

[cedarbranch]

fic concept: jack's pov. he gets a tip from freddie lounds that abigail hobbs is alive. freddie doesn't know where she is, but eventually, abigail gets herself caught -- she's alone, and not nearly as practiced in evading the fbi's attention as some people she's known.

when they have her, she's upset, visibly and constantly. she's falling to pieces over something she's been through, but when they question her, she gives up nothing. she won't even admit that she's been with will and hannibal. jack tries to tell her that the fbi can protect her, that she shouldn't fear being honest, and she laughs in his face. he ropes alana into the effort. abigail cries when she sees her, but still gives them nothing more than the same wry smile. you aren't getting it, she tells them. even if i knew where they were, i wouldn't tell you.

when they try to talk to her, it feels like her responses are a joke that they don't understand the punchline to. like she's talking to someone who isn't in the room. it's exactly how will used to talk when no one believed him that hannibal was the ripper, and jack has never felt so tired.

and then she's gone. they never see her again. jack suspects she's dead. they never get the full context: that abigail runs away semi-frequently, but always comes back. that this time the family fight went too far (on an emotional level more than a physical one) and she called freddie lounds. it was out of spite, mostly, since she knew it was one of the few things she could do to really piss off her dads -- but she also wanted clarity, another woman who was simple and forthright about her opinions (if little else), who didn't dance around everything. she regretted it as soon as she hung up the call, and even more once she was found. she knows what happens when people go to freddie lounds and then the fbi. she knows. she spends half the time terrified, knowing she'll go back home, but not knowing if she'll survive it.

meanwhile, will is absolutely LOSING HIS SHIT worried about her -- the article freddie publishes speculating on why abigail faked her death is the only contact they have with her -- and he's about half a second from snapping and going to kill freddie For Real This Time. hannibal is the only one stopping him from doing something monumentally stupid. (hannibal is also pretty annoyed with everyone involved, obviously, but he's confident that abigail won't betray them). when she finally shows up crying on their doorstep, she's scared to let either of them touch her, but when hannibal holds out his arm, she walks into the embrace anyway.

[deerabigailhobbs]

Ever since I found your blog my mind has been plagued with thoughts of adamgail-siblings (in the best way). Sooooooo, what if Garret Jacob Hobbs was so freaked that he started killing at the thought of his daughter moving away was because he's already had a child leave. He's a perfectionist so maybe his family becoming imperfect was what brought him to such extremes?

We know that Abigail is 17 at the start of the show and that the killings started 8 months ago, meaning that she was probably 16 or just 17. So say that older brother Adam left around the same age; Hobbs would see his daughter reach the age that he had one child leave never to return, and panic starting the spree. In the original script Adam gets a call from his mother stating that his father isn't angry anymore. Something happened to make Adam leave, maybe this was his father's anger at some supposed imperfection in his son, or it was a build up of things that caused Adam to leave - and that was what caused his father's anger.

But whatever it was he left, knowing that he would leave his sister in a mess, or maybe he thought it would be better for her with him gone. Either way he gets put in the trap, at the time his parents are still alive, but there's a good chance that 7 out of 8 girls have gone missing already. He tells Lawrence that he wants to spend more time with his family, maybe just spend time with a family that he might not have seen in years, does he consider them all his family anymore? His relationship with his father certainly isn't good.

Abigail is left without her brother from a young age, and when she reaches the age he was when he left and her father snaps- does she resent him for leaving, or for not taking her with him? Is she glad that he left and won't get dragged into this? What would happen if he showed up again, would his father pull him aside as soon as possible and make it so he could never leave them again? Otherwise it could end in another fight and trigger Hobbs killing his whole family without a phone call from Hannibal. Of course things could just go the same way as canon with just the addition of another corpse, Abigail regaining her brother just to lose him just as fast.

If Adam gets out of that bathroom does he head home and meet a horrible fate at the hands of his father, or is he barely finished with recovery when he gets a call from the FBI? Telling him that his father killed his mother, and tried to kill his sister, and was then shot dead by an agent. Could he bring himself to become his sister's guardian after the ordeal he just went through, and would she accept it? When he shows up, do they know who he is? Do they think of him as Adam 'Hobbs' who had changed his name to Stanheight in order to distant himself from his family? Or have they heard about the Jigsaw Killer and know of Adam Stanheight who turned out to also be Abigail's older brother? How do things go down from there? At least Abigail will have someone to rely on and stay by her side, preventing her from killing [INSERT NAME OF GUY WHO'S SISTER GOT KILLED], and preventing Hannibal from getting his claws into her. Or will Hannibal try and pull something to get him out of the way...

First of all, it truly warms my heart when someone says they like my Adamgail siblings AU. I truly didn't expect much of a reaction to it but to know others have fallen in love with their dynamic makes me so so happy :D

Secondly, connecting the dots between Adam's mother saying his father isn't angry anymore and Garret Jacobs... Genius. Jaw dropped. I never even thought of that and I love it.

Adam going through his trap around the same time that Abigail was almost killed is great too. Just imagine going through the most traumatic experience of your life and finding out the sibling, the one person you could trust the most, was hurt and here to see you. Their interactions would be so interesting. Familiar strangers to one another.

And boy, would Adam change the way Abigail's life went post throat slashed. He'd literally be stuck to her side like glue. I can definitely imagine him not being fond of Hannibal and especially Will. I would think Hannibal would try and plan a way to kill him, though I'm not entirely sure how.

I think an interesting way to view it would be that Adam shows up after Abigail kills Nick Boyle. Perhaps he hears about it through the news at a later date and rushes to Minnesota before he can even wave Lawrence goodbye. In that way she's indebted to Hannibal, but she now has someone in her corner, who truly has her best interests at heart. And once Abigail starts to lean into the company of her brother more, that's when Hannibal decides Adam has gotta go.

Or, even if he doesn't show up at all. If, in Mizumono, Abigail doesn't walk towards Hannibal because she knows she has a brother out there, perhaps still has his number stored away in a coat pocket. Abigail followed Hannibal's orders because she had no other option, but with Adam she does. She walks up to Hannibal, appearing docile, then grabs the knife and stabs him sloppily in the neck, just enough time for her to bolt from the house and to a payphone far from the house. That's when she calls Adam, praying that he hadn't changed his phone number all those years, and when he does answer, she's so relieved to hear his voice and asks if he can come get her. And without a second thought he's already asking her where she while rummaging for his car keys.

So many scenarios, I love them <3

[pesky--dust]

Do you have time to speak about the last known moments of Abigail Hobbs’ life? 

In Mizumono Hannibal tells Will: “We couldn’t leave without you.”. Do you get it? Not “we can’t”, not “I cannot”. “COULDN’T”. That particular word shows what's about to happen. It was a zero-sum game: either they run away in three, or Hannibal runs away alone. Will had time to rejoice that Abigail was still alive, that neither he nor anyone else had killed her, only to have Hannibal slit her throat in front of him like a minute later. In Hannibal's eyes, Abigail's survival depended on Will and he betrayed Hannibal, so Hannibal betrayed Abigail.

But wait a second! We have also …and the Woman Clothed with the Sun, where we see what happened behind the scenes of Mizumono: Abigail was in the kitchen with Hannibal, when Will called and we have that conversation between Hannibal and her:

Hannibal: They're coming. 

Abigail: Are we going? 

Hannibal: We're waiting for Will. It's important that he sees you. I want you two to be together.

He had to know already that he is going to kill her (I guess the decision was made during his and Will's last supper), but he didn’t lie to her: he really wanted her and Will to be together (with him) and give her back to Will, because he knew that Will misses her, however since Will betrayed him (again: in Hannibal’s eyes), “It's important that he sees you. I want you two to be together.” has also deeper and more fatalistic meaning: he is going to leave them two together - give her back to Will - and run away on his own. Abigail was supossed to be his present for Will, so since they couldn’t leave in three, he left her with Will in this cruel way and hurting Will the same way he felt hurt.

I've just been thinking a lot about these two episodes lately, so don’t mind me. 

[bracketsoffear]

The Thistle Men (Alice Isn't Dead) "The Thistlemen are humanoid serial killers wandering the back roads of the United States. From Episode one they are described as filthy, filthy clothes, hands, dirty fingernails that are an unhealthy, translucent yellow, matching the rest of their bodies. The Thistlemen all have ill-fitting skin, and are remarked upon several times to smell earthy and rotten, like spoiled fruit turning to soil. When hurt, their bodies don’t bleed correctly. When she breaks into their town, the narrator Keisha speaks of the mealy yellow fat that falls from their wounds.

Their town is another thing. Hidden within a US Air Force base, it is a perversion of a normal town, not only because of who it houses, but because of the sick oily sheet covering it. Everything looks sticky to the touch. The location of the town remarks upon corruption within the US government, covering up monsters that are allowed to roam freely and even creating a haven for them to thrive in. This is also seen in how the police will ignore the presence of Thistlemen, treating them without hostility. The fact that the Thistlemen are able to continue terrorizing people as they like, with the knowledge and even approval of the government is deeply chilling.

The Thistlemen are capable of teleporting places in their strange way. Infiltrating places and spreading their destruction about, it’s an almost vermin-like quality, but so much more dangerous. Keisha is tormented by the presence of one in her truck, but every time she checks nothing is inside, save for her cargo. This happens in her house as well, and at a live show event, where the narrative tells of a group of people dedicated to fighting Thistlemen, only for to realize who was lurking in the corners. The event was destroyed from the inside of what was meant to be a safe location. Perhaps it had always been a trap, festering with monsters just under the surface.

Finally, the fact that the Thistlemen chose this path for themselves. They used to be ordinary people, perhaps predisposed to violence, but as they years wore on, they changed. Any semblance of morality they held rotted away as they fell into bigotry and hatred and mistrust. It was a slow descent, with the not-yet-Thistlemen recognizing as their skin sagged and bodies rotted, but they didn’t care. By the time they would kill their first victim, the transformation was complete."

Eldon Stamets (Hannibal) "Otherwise known as the fungus guy from Hannibal, Eldon was so obsessed with fungi and their ability to connect that he put ten diabetics into comas and planted them in the ground to turn them into living mushroom farms. His farm was found by three random kids and Will Graham and the police realized the hard way that one of the victims was still alive, thoroughly colonized by fungus, though he died on the way to the hospital. He later kidnapped Will's surrogate daughter, Abigail Hobbs, and tried to plant her with fungi in order to connect her to Will. Eldon has the obvious element of rot since fungi frequently grow on dead matter and their mycelium form roots throughout whatever it grows on. He also has the element of toxic love since his fascination is with connection, how fungi knows you're there and reaches out to you, very Jane Prentiss."