#AI art is not replacing artists

[fixing-bad-posts]

I don't care. I don't care. AI entertainment without anything in it. could it hurt? yes. By using AI the investors make money on theft.

[garablacktail]

It's honestly starting to feel like furry AI art is becoming the next NFT bubble, in that a bunch of people are starting to get fairly aggravating as they basically holler that it's gonna replace artists and let them get studio level comissions for free.

I've been doing content creation for long enough to know that IP holders and advertisers are psychotic when it comes to copyrights and profiteering over BS, so if it becomes big, they're gonna sue the people hosting dalle AI and what not because it skims through images on the internet, and it can potentially infringe on their intelectual propriety. I mean. So current iteration of stuff that's high quality and free is not going to last. (plus servers aren't free)

And there's the issue that AI art isn't currently actually doing "art" (I really hate "X is art/X is not art " arguments).

Currently what it can do is visually describe a text prompt, which is really impressive, and you can def use that as a basis for art.

But the thing is that digital illustration is way more than just drawing whatever, you need to conceptualize what you're going to draw, which is potentially both extremely specific and extremely unique, which AI doesn't handle well (a simple example, tell it to draw a friend without using their full name)

You also have to consider a whole lot of stuff like how the colors are interacting within the piece, considerations over the tridimensionalness of stuff, does this make sense anatomy wise, does it look good? Does it become a noisy blob when you look at it if you zoom out, etc. Etc. Etc.

I've seen really cool stuff made with AI art, in particular I really liked an animation made using a ton of frames of furry wolf girls where it essentially has you panning around the character whilst it subtly morphs into a lot of examples of "furry wolf girl" (I don't actually remember the prompts) in that neat psychedelic way computer imagery ocasionally gets.

The "caveat" is that reading through that reddit post, the animator that made it has done some polishing to the frames and largely composed the animation, it looks like they used another system to morph between the frames that they carefully optimized to make the animation amazing. They didn't throw "make fur girl spin" and have the PC blurt it, they did a lot of work.

The stuff I've seen that doesn't get that level of care and attention doesn't have that wow factor, it looks bland and static. Best analogy I can think of is with photography in a sense, if you just point a camera at something and snap a picture it's going to be "just a photo" in terms of artsy quality, in order to get a photograph to have the appeal I'm prob failling to illustrate I'm positive you need to know in detail how the camera interacts with the world and have as many things that you'd use to describe the photo be a decision.

And then you're also potentially gonna have issues with the AI making artifacts in the image, small errors can make stuff look glaringly wrong.

cut it some slack, the human brain is vastly more powerful with a significant portion of the hardware not only dedicated to seeing, but also on pattern recognition XD.

I do ultimately hope AI illustration winds up as a positive thing, it's a fairly accessible way to get high quality looking stuff, I know that the disconnect for how you see things in your mind VS what you draw is extremely demoralizing at times, so if a inexperienced artist can basically toy and play with it and have either making stuff more their own, or having to have less hassle working around the AI be a motivation to give their all to learn art would be awesome.

Plus it could potentially be a new nascent art form

Anyways, mainly made this rant because I've somehow wound up interacting with people that are ticking way too many similar boxes to cryptobros when NFTs weren't dead

[ganondoodle]

there goes my favorite drawing software ...

i defended their plans for the version2 and all, bc i didnt see much wrong with it and liked csp alot, but i guess i should have become a hater back then already

after that one big mistake that sparked so much outrage they really said but how can we actually lose EVERYONE, they saw deviantart doing it and thought BET I CAN DO IT FASTER

(they say they dont use user data but are basing it on stable diffusion of all things, they literally only ask people to think morally/ethically when using it to not use stolen stuff like thats ever worked with anything ever, plus "we cant guarantee that there will be no copyright infringement" OH YOU DONT SAY)

[floweypilled]

i love you artists FOREVER

[anemovisionuser]

The reason why the Kaveh fan song Writing on the wall is so powerful is that making art is just. Like that. literally cutting your stomach open and pulling out a creation, unwittingly plastering your insecurities on a page for the whole world to see, that everytime you look at it screams back at you that you are not good enough

[bixels]

I'm really glad Tumblr as a whole has turned against AI art. I remember speaking out against it in a post that blew up a little less than a year ago and getting a lot of angry leftists arguing that AI is actually very socialist and good for the worker, which was incredibly disheartening.

[superbellsubways]

actually sick of all the fearmongering posts about how ai will eventually replace all forms of art when that wont be the case at all. art will never die. as long as humanity is still existing then Real art will always remain.

a certain website turning to shit doesn't mean its the end of the world for artists. there will always be alternatives, there will always be other places to grow a following on. don't let a couple websites turning to shit ruin your passion in art. Keep making things despite it all

[poppyseedqueenz]

(Hopefully Final)Update On the owonekko situation:

Okay so just today the situation has reached its peak so a few hours ago Nondi has worsened this whole mess by making a follow-up response to not only Jouusta but to her critics AND her fans as a WHOLE and let's just say it's probably WORSE than her first response

How did she Respond? Did she apologize? Is she taking a break? Did she realize her mistake?

Well.....

Okay I'm not gonna hold back

Nondi This is the Most NASTIEST, IMMATURE, RUDEST, DISRESPECTFUL Thing that I have Ever Seen! Where do I even start?? Lets start with the fact that whole Animatic low-key ridiculous not only is the whole thing lowkey disrespectful to EVERYONE involved with the portrayal of Jo, Her Critics, HER FANS. But this video is anything BUT respectful! She went silent for almost 5 to 10 days after her Livestream only to make an EVEN worse response not only that but the fact That now she's trying to turn the whole thing into a race issue when race was NEVER even mentioned by Jo or anyone EXCEPT Nondi! Nondi was the ONLY one who said anything about her skintone but now I'm starting to realize something

At this point this isn't even about the AI anymore Nondi is just being a straight-up bully and slandering Everyone involved specifically Jo painting her in a TERRIBLE TERRIBLE Light(whilst now Nondi fans are also now sending Jo hate comments and a few were DEATH THREATS)

Not only that but in the description to her animatic not only is she "Not sorry" she made a lengthy doc(and yes I read every single word) where she fails to take accountability and passes blame onto the critics and Jo and making excuses for her behavior and adding extra things that are half-true, not relevant to the situation, gaslighting fans, and downright lies of which she claims is the "truth"

Nondi's Doc:

Let me remind that after Jo's video went up she made a Pinned Comment and made a few edits to it when Nondi's livestream went up This is What she Said:

Jo's Pinned Comment: "EDIT (9/12/24): Thank you to all who have let me know about Nondi’s most recent livestream and livestream thumbnail. I have not watched the full VOD, but I have seen the thumbnail and… obviously, I am not okay with it. Not in the slightest. That being said, it’s very clear to me that she’s having a mental health episode of some sort. I’m hoping after that livestream she’ll take some time off the internet and not entertain this controversy anymore. I’m disappointed with her actions, with her portrayal of me, and with how she’s handled everything, but at the end of the day I want her to be mentally well, and I feel bad that I contributed anything to the deterioration of her mental state. I still stand by everything I said in this video. I still think she’s wrong for misgendering the larger creator (and continuing to justify it). But I think this will be the last thing I’ll say regarding this video and OwONekko. If anything else happens, I’m not gonna address it (unless I feel like I REALLY need to). Again, don’t go and harass Nondi. Don’t be nasty to anyone. Take care of your mental health too. . . . . . . . . A few more notes here! I changed the title of this video from “How to Lose an Audience’s Trust - OwONekko’s AI Art Stance and How it Harms Artists” to “OwONekko’s Generative AI Stance and How it Harms Artists” because I felt like that was a more concise and less offensive way to market the video. I also want to say I do NOT think Nondi is a bad person for using and liking AI for the reasons she does, I just disagree with her reasons, and I should have been more clear about that. She’s entitled to her opinion about AI as much as I am entitled to mine. I may go here or on my insta to say a few more things regarding this situation if anything else happens, but I’m not going to make any more video content because I don’t want to egg on the people that have been relentlessly harassing Nondi because of my video. Genuinely, I feel awful about that. If you have anything to say about this discourse, keep it on MY video and off of her twitter/ Youtube page. She’s seen all the arguments, criticism, and nasty shit that’s out there. I may have criticized her for blocking certain users in my video, but at this point I think that course of action is 100% justified. If I had known this video was going to be shown to over 200,000 people in less than 48 hours, I would have been a lot more clear and less reactive with how I expressed things in this video. I’ve never had a video perform like this one did.. like, genuinely, I thought this would be watched by the people already in this discourse and MAYBE just a few others. It was not my intention to bring so many new eyes to her channel, especially in this light, but that’s what happened. As for the transphobia claims, she says it was an accident and will not repeat this mistake going forward. She hasn’t apologized for misgendering the creator, which I absolutely disagree with, but she’s made it clear she doesn’t stand by what she originally did. (that being said, I am not trans or queer, so whether or not you want to support her for this going forward is completely up to you. Just don’t go and be a bother to her.)(edit: she has continued to justify her misgendering the larger creator so idek anymore) I’ll edit this comment if I have anything else to add, but for now that’s all I have to say."

I am 100% on Jo's side of the drama

Jo said that nondi was entitled to her opinion and was not calling her bad in ANY WAY Jo was rightfully upset about how nondi portrayed her in the Livestream(she hasn't seen the Animatic yet) and for some reason nondi and her die-hards decided to attack her when Jo just made a harmless statement and even said not to harass anyone at the VERY beginning of her video plus she Cannot be blamed for who saw the video she is not in control of what the algorithm shows us as she said that her intended target for the video were people who WERE actually aware of the situation WITH the exception of a FEW new eyes NOT 200,000(now 400,000) new eyes and she did apologize for that and I do agree if people did not watch Nondi's ai stance video and then Jo's video(even though jo DID say to watch Nondi's video first to get the full context)

(Note: I watched Nondi's full ai stance video before Jo uploaded hers) and just saw Jo's video(depending on how much you watched of Jo's video) and just relentlessly attacked nondi are also in just as much of the wrong telling her to "Kys" is not helpful and making her more stubborn and while I don't agree with her deleting comments that DO know the full story those critiquing her with no context are 100% justified beacuse context is EVERYTHING however Nondi's reactions and responses are NOT justified whatsoever she is a GROWN ASS WOMAN who knew DAMN WELL what's she's doing especially when she went live with that slander video, Twitter posts and even TODAY'S video and the fact that people are still defending what she's done are also the problem she is not the victim she is the perpetrator and when other people did what she's done now they were called crazy, were ridiculed or nearly lost or DID their careers entirely)

The last time a rapper(Doja Cat) made a post disrespecting her fans the same way nondi did she lost almost 200,000 followers

When this rapper(Nicki Minaj) went on a whole Twitter rampage and a crazy rant on IG live beacuse of Hiss (by Meg Thee Stallion)(in this case Nondi went on A coke rant on YT live)she was called a fucking cokehead

When this youtuber(Colleen Ballinger) made a video pinning blame on the internet for banding together, calling her out on her predatory behavior and made a ukulele musical as a response(in Nondi's a fucking snl skit) her response was seen as the worst youtuber apology/statement videos to date

(Note: this is not an attack on Nicki, Doja nor Meg as I love and respect all 3 of these artists however I can't say the same thing for Colleen as she is a terrible human being)

And while people are saying "omg the art community is so sensitive" and you know what? You're right the art community can get sensitive over everything and anything but that that's not the case people are rightfully upset at nondi she montitezed her ai Playlist Made by a company who's under fire for stealing unauthorized audio and using it but now she's attacking fans and critics who were trying to tell here what she was doing was WRONG

AI is a dangerous practice and a very controversial topic that is threatening not only art but jobs in general if ai was not being trained on stolen work and being seen as a replacement then maybe I would have a different opinion the problem is its not being seen as a tool but as a REPLACEMENT for human artists whist stealing art from them and creating entirely new images for the stolen work and people keep Making excuses for ai if "get with the times" mean I have to just let ai steal my work then I rather be left behind

And when I was looking at Nondi's Doc she keeps using race(she used are a total of 3 times even again race is NOT the problem and the fact that your using the race card is downright sickening and this is coming from a black person) and she tried to make Jo look like the bad person and acting as if what she's doing isn't overreacting guess what nondi You ARE overreacting and this Animatic and doc is proof and the way you responded has just made things worse you could've used that short hiatus to reevaluate or make a statement no one asked you to apologize for the A.I video but for the misgendering, the hateful comments and to Jo but instead you make 2 videos(one of them being a YT live) and slandered many people(even though you said you don't like bigger platforms using their influence to harm others) she is becoming the thing that she doesn't want to be and it's sad and the fact that fans still defend and fight tooth and nail for her just proves how ignorant these people are critics will critique ANYTHING, EVERYTHING and EVERYONE that should be common knowledge if you become a content creator or a public figure(such as a celebrity, influencer or musician) if you can't wrap your head around that then content creation isn't for you She is a GROWN woman who went on a two-year old rampage over a controversial topic

Remember the reason all of this is happen is beacuse she got pissy over ONE comment and she's using her race as a sheild

This isn't a RACE issue this is an ETHICS issue and she's treating it like some Anti-Black Campaign

Nondi This is Unacceptable

Leave the internet or take a hiatus beacuse this is too far

[khepiari]

Just say that you lack creativity and are jealous of people who can express themselves with their chosen medium of expression. There are millions of ways and tools to express oneself, yet you chose AI to do your hard work, which is “the act of creating”. Feel ashamed, not proud.

[silenceofthewave]

( LMAO PSA

Dont fucking follow me if u believe AI "art" is art. or u claim to be an AI "artist". lmfaooo pick up a pencil or smthn bro. )

[danieyells]

Hi Danie!! I hope this isn't a huge hassle, but has someone asked you before about the warding card image you get after you go through that little quiz in the beginning of the game? If not, do you have the images for all of these warding cards? Sorry to bother you 😭

The warding card image like the picture of the PC holding the card itself, or the images on the cards? Because the card images are just backgrounds from each House location. I don't see actual warding cards for them.

[tongues--and--teeth]

What if just this once, things worked out?

[thosemintcookies]

I think there's a huge disconnect these days where images are communal when it's about saying right click save to nft bros but somehow protecting the sanctity of image ownership when talking about artists online. Like follow the thread. Thinking you Own an image or idea just because ypu made it does a disservice to the idea of art-as-sharing including engaging with remixing and recontextualizing and replication.

Like yes artists deserve recognition over the products of what they make but monopolizing something intrinsically shred is so wrongheaded. IP law will not protect you when it's always the richer culture producer who can gird up with lawyers to defend that your works are derivative enough to be considered theirs not yours.

Like yes talk about injustices and bad usage as they exist but it's not a problem with ai. Same shit can be said about using Photoshop or something come on now

[carbkaiju]

wish I could block all mentions of the SH2 remake on every corner of the internet.

watching the artistic intent of a game be stripped away and marketed as a resident evil-style thrill fest just, kill me. people excited for the "new graphics" as if games only exist to be tech demos. much smarter people than me have already said it better, but the pursuit of high fidelity graphics is a plague on creative expression and stylization, existing only to sell console hardware. silent hill isn't timeless because you can see every pore on James Sunderlands' face and every little tear that wells up in his big sad baby eyes, because of The Bad Thing He Did. silent hill sticks with you because you remember the face of a hollow man disconnected from his own emotions, carved out in shadows, fucking listless as he stumbles around a town filled with monstrosities that are obscured by clever lighting, clever angles, with flesh and textures that your brain can't quite parse. that's the whole point. horror disappears when you put a spotlight on the shadow in the corner.

this game is timeless because an artist elevated it with their vision, fidelity be damned. Takayoshi Sato didn't fucking slave away in detail to hand animate the character's facial expressions just to be disregarded as "stiff and compromising." team silent did so much to craft haunted, derealized people with such inferior technology, so incredible that we're still crowning it today as the king of psychological horror. and in swoops Bloober team, the Masters of Subtlety and Psychological Thrill, to claim the praise. "Ah, this is how the game was meant to look!" yes, now I can finally appreciate the subsurface scattering of James' neon yellow hair. give me a fucking break.

look at Sato's art before I blow out my ulcer. and send me a dm and I will personally help you get a playable copy of SH2 so you can play it for yourself, and not lose your money to another trash HD upscale of a franchise that should be left alone. you're not supporting the artists behind silent hill if you buy the remake. you're supporting konami; a company that's hungry to ride the coat tails of the resident evil 4 remake and cash in on their ips.

[merrilymp3]

i hate people's acceptance of AI when it's "cool" and "convenient." stop giving it materials to weaponize in the future, i don't care what it's for. AI could take away future and current jobs for so many people, and you are helping it.

[rui-drawsbox]

In the hopes it doesn't sound weird for me to say: You feel like someone with a big heart

Not just in a "Haha simp" way, but someone who loves and cries and laughs with very real sincerity, be it for everyone to see or just on the inside... I could be wrong, but should I be even remotely accurate, promise me not to lose that energy. The world needs you more than you know

Stfu anon you're gonna get me gigly n shi *gay hand gesture*