#2012 raph and donnie are twins hc

[awildaspenappeared]

Day 6 of @traumas-tmntober-2024 An Injustice

Two Weeks of Eternity

A farewell was something Donnie was far too young to have let alone a funeral. None of them could process the fact that he was gone and they didn't even have his body to bury.

OR

What if April couldn't bring Donnie back

Word Count: 1489

Two weeks. Two weeks was a very short amount of time. Two weeks was common. Two weeks was a blip in the universe. Two weeks wasn't even anything that special within just a year. Yet, the two weeks it had been since Donnie had passed stretched on like an eternity.

Raphael sat in silence, rolling his wrist absentmindedly. His fingers were tightly wrapped in bandages, splinted with a precision that should’ve been Donnie’s work. But it wasn’t Donnie. It was Leo. Leo, who had quietly taken over the task Donnie used to scold him about, patching up injuries, grumbling under his breath about Raph's recklessness. The absence of Donnie’s voice, that familiar mixture of annoyance and care, hung over him like a ghost. Was it strange to miss being scolded?

He didn't know where he had gotten that injury. His knuckles throbbed as he tried to think back to where it could of happened. Moments after April- He punched the metal column harshly once. Then again. And again.

Later on, when April had come back to her senses, Raphael had decided to remedy that. By beating her senseless. She had killed his little brother. His twin. She had done so many awful, inexcusable things to Donnie that he had let slide. He'd even let Donnie's own strange behaviour, his misplaced loyalty in her go a little for his sake but he was not going to sleep on this. He was done managing his temper.

So he snapped and charged toward her, knocked her to the ground. He pulled back and rammed forward right for her nose, the wet crack of cartilage echoed in the dim alley. The second hit landed squarely on her jaw. Twice. Then he hit her cheekbone. Then her lip. He punched her so hard she was coughing up blood and teeth. He got one more wallop to the eye before Leo had bothered to pull him off of that bitch!

Raphael didn’t resist. He couldn’t bring himself to fight his brothers, no matter how much rage clawed at his chest. But as he turned back toward April, a low growl tore from his throat. He spat at her, his disgust seething through his entire body. The sight of her mangled face and tangled hair had barely even satisfied him. His heart hammered as he breathed raggedly, he itched to do more. Deep inside he was still screaming to do more but it was all pointless. If Donnie knew what he'd just done he would be livid. But Donnie was gone now.

Raph would bet money that if Donnie somehow managed to come back after that he would just forgive her and move on immediately. Too soft-hearted, too goddamned willing to let her get away with everything, even when it had destroyed him in the end. He was so down bad it had gotten him killed. It infuriated him. Raphael raised his good hand to knock on Leonardo's door.

Leonardo slowly tied the mask around his face, his fingers trembling as he secured the knot. The mask was such a deep, inky blue that in the dim light, it seemed indistinguishable from black. It clung to his scales, a second layer meant to hide the cracks in his composure, to bury the emotions clawing their way to the surface. The dark fabric would conceal the tears he knew were coming, the moisture soaking in without a trace, but it couldn’t hide the bloodshot edges of his eyes. They glared through the narrow slits, raw with the weight of sleepless nights and a mind tangled in turmoil.

He stared into the mirror, the mask transforming him into a stranger. It was ironic, how something meant to conceal could only magnify his pain. Yet still, he tied the mask tighter, hoping it would somehow hold everything in place: his face, his grief, his unravelling.

They were holding his funeral today. There wasn’t much they could do without a body, but their father was used to that kind of grief. He had mourned Tang Shen for sixteen long years and Miwa for fifteen. So the funeral had been set up accordingly but they had all seen their Sensei's face yesterday. His eyes deep with an ache he had learned to carry in silence, and now, it was happening again.

The rituals would be the same as they'd always witnessed: flowers, incense, whispered prayers, but the emptiness would weigh heavier without a body to lay to rest. And with how he died, his soul could be just as vapourised

A cool hand rested on his shoulder, causing him to look at his younger brother. It was painful to see him in a mask colour so unlike his own. Where Leo's mask was blue it wasn't too unsightly to see himself in black but the dark carmine of Raphael's mask made him want to weep again. It didn't suit his fiery personality, the anger that was meant to fuel his every move.

Instead it was just the underlying fear that was present. He had to be strong for the both of them. He steeled himself, clenching his fist tight, fingernails digging under the scales and teeth clenching painfully. With great difficulty he reached up to Raph's hand with his own and rested there for just a moment before he brushed him off and silently made for the door.

He wasn't strong enough for weak words right now. Small comforts and placations wouldn't work on Raph if he had the strength to try. It felt odd describing himself as leading Raph to Mikey even though if Donnie were here, that very same act wouldn't have changed at all. Every consuming thought was plagued by the nightmare-turned-reality.

Leo didn’t bother stopping at Mikey’s room. He already knew it was empty. Mikey hadn’t slept there since that night. He had always spent more time in other parts of the lair, but now he avoided his room entirely, as if stepping inside might force him to confront the nightmare they were all living in. Lately, Mikey either slept in Leo or Raph’s room, wandered through the kitchen, dozed off on the couch, or sat silently in Donnie’s lab. Mikey’s usual energy had been snuffed out, his laughter hollow, his smiles strained and far too thin to convince anyone that he was okay. Every joke fell flat, and seeing that forced brightness on Mikey’s face was almost worse than his sadness.

The sliding door of the dojo parted easily, where the funeral was to be held and where they found Mikey. He was darting from place to place: rearranging flowers in an intricate pattern; placing a photo of Donnie on an easel so it was easy to see; and straightening up the little trinkets placed on the small wooden shrine. At the top of the shrine sat Donnie’s mask—the only thing left of him since April…

Casey stood off to the side, leaning against the wall, watching in silence. The weight of the moment stretched on, unbroken until finally someone spoke.

“This doesn’t feel real,” Casey muttered, his voice low.

Raph scoffed softly. “You can say that again, Jones.”

“This is surreal!” He repeated with a bitter tone. And he meant it. Just two weeks ago Donnie had trained in this very dojo, full of life but getting his ass beat. Now he had a mourning shrine here to offer a cruel solace to the living as he floated through space and time or whatever hell April had condemned him to.

Leo dragged his feet along the carpet as he made his way to Master Splinter's door. He knew when he knocked, he would emerge. Then he'd let everyone else attending Donatello's funeral in. Karai, Slash, Leatherhead, Dr Rockwell, Pidgeon Pete, Mondo Gecko, Timothy, and Shinigami. Everyone they knew and trusted were to be let in to pay respects to Donnie. Leo knew it was selfish to stand here with his hand raised to knock yet still refuse to start it just to put it off for himself.

He wasn’t ready to let go. Not yet. The crushing weight of admitting Donnie was truly gone pressed down on him like an anvil. The finality of it wrapped around his chest, constricting until it was hard to breathe. He wasn’t ready to accept that there was nothing left of his baby brother par memories, nothing but this pain shared between them all. But Leo knew he couldn’t hold onto this moment forever. He had to let the others grieve too. This wasn’t a burden for him to carry alone. He was probably selfish, hoping it was just his burden because that would mean none of them cared for Donnie.

With a deep breath, Leo finally raised his hand and knocked. There was no turning back now.

Truthfully, Leo knew there had been turning back as soon as Donnie started to plead and beg April for his life.

Hello!! I say todays prompt but its 3am of the 7th Whoops. Todays prompt was hard to get started but thanks to @agalactichalo I was able to start steamrolling this fic.

It ended up being an episode rewrite plus an au because the writers constantly served an injustice to the audience withApril's poor writing. They couldn't handle complex trauma and plots for her and they always bent the story so she would be painted in the most positive light even when she didn't deserve it. I was so angry when none of the brother's reacted to Donnie's death properly and just forgave April immediately. It was so poorly handled and Donnie doesnt process trauma like at all. Like please, babygirl, you can process the fact you just died!!

Also the panning and zoom in on Casey was so funny. Like why did they choose Jones, his rival out of everyone to focus on aftsr his death if they weren't destined to be boyfriends??? And the rain!! Pathetic Fallacy at its finest and these are two pathetic idiots in love your honour. Anywhizzle, I rewrote it with Raph beating the crap out if April because thats more in line with his character that the episode to me and I found it cathartic. Fanon April I love you so much, pls dont hate me.

Also does anyone know if its 'bar' or 'par' or 'pare' for 'something absolute EXCEPT this'? Many thanks if so!

[dysfunctional-doodle]

More twin turtle ideas: Chirping Language.

Let me explain.

2003 Donnie: *insert adorable nerdy turtle chirps*

Other 2003 characters: *Very confused*

2003 Raph: He's asking for his wrench, dumbass.

2003 Donnie: Also wrong. I said hug. Give me a damn hug right now.

2003 Raph: ...oh-

Or, on the Rise side...

2018 Donnie: *angry, ranting chirping while pacing*

2018 Leo: *also angry, ranting chirping while pacing*

2018 Raph: ...what are they doing?

2018 Mikey: They saw characters from Jupiter Jim get put into a ship they dont like and now they're mad and are ranting to each other.

Or, on the 2012 side...

2012 Raph: *loud, angry sounding chirping as he's grabbing onto Mikey's leg, getting dragged along the floor as he did, like a feral animal*

2012 Mikey: No, Raph, I'm not going to play video games with you after you threw pizza in my face-

2012 Raph: *Louder chirping from a whiny turtle*

I always love the idea that the turtles chirp, and these are cracking me up.

Bonus:

Bayverse Donnie: *chirping excitedly to Raph, who looks half asleep*

Bayverse Leo: what’s he got excited about this time?

Bayverse Raph: Peas

(I hc that bayverse donnie, when getting overly excited, just starts chirping. And he can get stupidly excited about the strangest things)

[the-lavender-clown]

My first time drawing 12!Donnie!!

I’m gearing up to do a 2012 Brains and Brawn drawing so I figured I’d do some practice so I know what I’m doing and how I want to draw these guys!

[rosey-mango]

I HC that in TMNT 2012, not only are Leo and Raph "twins" but so are Donnie and Mikey. I won't be convinced otherwise.

Two sets of twins. Even though they are technically all the same age. All Mikey's idea. Thank you, and goodnight.

[iscdisc]

Ooooo!

Me personally, I hc 2012 Mikey and Donnie as twins. Same for Raph and Leo, but that's more common.

And the whole thing is Mikeys' idea. 2 sets of twins. Why? Cuz why not?

I'm very familiar with this interpretation / headcanon for the 2012 brothers !

I honestly think it makes a lot of sense, considering how the 2012 brothers look visually (Specifically their head shapes-) ! I feel like if Donnie was shorter / the same height as Mikey, it would add on to this twin take for sure- LMAO

I also feel like this wouldn't be surprising considering that Splinter originally got them at a pet store and I wouldn't be surprised if their eggs were just put together by said pet owners or they were put together as baby turtles and just came from two different mothers- You know? 👀👍✨

[itsbaconbits]

Wowowow! A new tmnt au!? Who could have seen it coming?!?!?! Certainly not I.

Heavily inspired by the Rise of the TMNT series, with a little bit of the 2003 in the mix. I have sketches and ideas for this that I will post soon, I just wanted to put the base character pages out first.

Also a link to the story that helped inspire this HERE

And more basic info under the cut if you want to learn more!

Leonardo: AKA Leo, Leon, Big L, or Leonar-don’t-tell-me-what-to-do

Age: 19

(A very large, very purposeful age gap here.)

Voice HC: TBD

- The tank of the group.

- Quiet and stoic. Doesn’t talk much to strangers.

- Works a minimum wage job in the Yokai world.

- Trained in many forms of combat. Still favors Katana.

Michelangelo: AKA Angie, Angelo, MK, Mike N Ike, or Mikey

Age: 14

(Mikey and Raph are the twins of this group.)

Voice HC: 2012 Mikey

- The leader of the group.

- Very chill, very charismatic. Old-school Shaggy vibes.

- Enjoys pranks, and often brings home stray animals.

- Uses Nunchaku. Enjoys surprising others with his “rad skills”.

Raphael: AKA Raph or Raphie

Age: 14

(The TNT Twins, if you will.)

Voice HC: 2012 Raph

- The inventor of the group.

- Passionate and energetic. Can’t sit still.

- Specializes in woodworking and metalwork. Duct tape is also a fav.

- Uses Sai, mostly because they make for great impromptu screw-drivers on the field.

Donatello: AKA Dee, DonTron, Dubs, Donathon, Donnie, or Jon with a D

Age: 11 going on 12

(Donnie is very adamant on making sure others know his exact age, even down to the number of days.)

Voice HC: MM Donnie

- The artist of the group.

- Very sweet and quiet. Suffers from “gifted kid” syndrome.

- Clay is his favorite medium for art. Especially loves the muddy feeling on his claws.

- Practices with the Bo Staff, but more as an art/dance form.

[arctic-space-penguin]

(I’ll end this flood here since I’m hella tired)

For the tmnt ask game, can you do: 1, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 14, 17, 19, 20, 22, 24, 26, 27, 29, 30, 31, 32, 34, 35, 36, and 38?

1 - 2k12 much younger ago, but getting back into it last year or two years ago i can't remember, was Mutant Mayhem

4 - like a fan fan? last year or two years ago

5 - 2007, rottmnt, mutant mayhem, 2k12, tottmnt, the 1990's live action trilogy, and the 2014 and 2016 live action movies

6 - let's see here: a rottmnt donnie figure, a 2012 raph figure, a tmnt ultimate updated guide book, the very first tmnt comic ever, a book containing every rottmnt comic, a mutant mayhem poster, tmnt cybercel cards, and mini funko pops :))))

7 - rottmnt

9 - rottmnt donnie

14 - 2007 or 1990's

17 - 2k12 or Rise (i've seen three or four episodes into the 1987 show, and that Shredder is hilarious, but i don't think i've seen enough of him to say he's my favorite)

19 - The Great Baron Draxum

20 - rottmnt theme

22 - Pepperoni or, don't argue with me, Hawaiian

24 - Cass Apocalyptic Series

26 - anything and everything with angst, so not one piece in particular

27 - angst

29 - rottmnt leo's a girldad

30 - well, if this was me from Sep 8th 2024 when i saw this and answered them first, i would have said 'Rise Donnie being ace/bi', but now it's probably nothing bc every hc i see i immediately accept lol

31 - none of it, everything is perfect

32 - Mutation of Change with Rita, Teresa, Anna, and Marg

34 - Donnie; he's my default

35 - disaster twins

36 - rottmnt mikey or raph

38 - close as i can lol

[tending-the-hearth]

Mutant Mayhem hc time besties!!!!!! Mainly mutant fam hcs because they’re spinning in my brain

And obviously spoilers for the movie (which comes out tomorrow!!! I’ve held onto these for a whole three days since seeing the movie on Saturday!!!!)

Scumbug actually ends up becoming a confidant for Leo, and he learns how to talk to her, and Splinter just has to hold back happy tears

Just the boys in general getting taught by Scumbug and being so intent on learning how to talk to their new parental figure

Bebop and Rocksteady (ofc) help Raph to learn some… better coping mechanisms than fighting, and the three of them definitely have weekly meditation sessions with Splinter

GIANT FAMILY CUDDLE PILES

Mikey is SO tactile and loves physical affection and he absolutely climbs all over Rocksteady, who will remain as still as possible for his baby brother so NO ONE SPEAK TO HIM

Leatherhead definitely clicks with Raph. Idk why, I just think they click, they become really close!!!

And after April fully becomes integrated into the family… that’s their sister!!!! She gets included in the cuddles!!

Mondo and Mikey becoming twins is so important to me… they are so goofy and silly together

I think Donnie would REALLY get along with Wingnut, idk I think Wingnut has such strong big sister energy, and she’d be one of Donnie’s biggest cheerleaders (besides the other turtles) when he starts really getting into tech

There’s definitely a parent/teacher conference night, and Splinter shows up, because he wants to show his boys that he supports them, and the teachers are just in a puddle of emotions over how much he gushes over his sons, and how excited he is to learn how well they’re doing in school. He’s probably the proudest parent any of the teachers have met, and he quickly becomes a teacher favorite over how much he supports his kids.

I just think the entire school would see the brothers, know what they did for the city, and automatically just be ready to lay down their lives for the boys and their family.

Like, Raph has a wrestling meet, they go, and the family is just completely surrounded by people from the school who give death glares to anyone who even glances at them wrong.

This goes along with my 2012 “best kept secret in the city” hc, but as soon as it comes out that the boys are only 15, i fully believe the adults who were helping them immediately have a crisis, because those are literal children, and Leo, Raph, Donnie, and Mikey become unofficially adopted by every adult in New York City

I just hope you know that knowing my hc of NYC knowing about the turtles and keeping them a secret is now canon in Mutant Mayhem is making me THRIVE besties

[aquariumgirls]

waugh. ninja turtle gender hcs . why? idk.

rise raph: intersex trans woman

rise leo: trans man

rise donnie: agender nonbinary (also intersex bc im projecting)

rise mikey: gender fluid and a gender STEALER!! (took donnies)

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2012 leo: trans woman ^_^

2012 raph: transmasc but everyone assumes hes cis

2012 donnie: nonbinary transfem

2012 mikey: no gender only pizza (any pronouns)

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2003 leo: trans woman again

2003 raph: trans man

2003 donnie: trans man also (twins w raph ofc)

2003 mikey: bigender

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bayverse leo: nonbinary but he doesn't have time to think about it in depth

bayverse donnie: trans woman

bayverse raph: cis (sorry...)

bayverse mikey: transmasc and also a gender stealer

[blackfire-fanfiction]

okayokayokay, so we have to consider where leo falls in the twin dynamic.

does he take the opportunity to unwind? to tease? to be the little shit that he can't really be in his world? or does he just want to have just one peaceful conversation with other-donnie

and while we're at it: age order hc's for the 2012 team? depending on your response i'll send in another ask, but i want to see something first

also, shoutout to tumblr for bugging out and making me have to copy paste the freakin' question mark. love that.

In Rise he can unwind from being a role model in 2012, so I think he'd be a bit chaotic with the twin dynamic. Though he'd probably just stick with teasing and purposefully annoying Donnie because he doesn't want to accidentally cross a line by going for more crazy ways to mess with Donnie.

The twin rivalry doesn't force them to always be at each others throats, so he'd probably be able to have a chill convo with Donnie if he wants one. Though Donnie immediately assuming he's approaching him to bother him is a bit annoying (but fair)

As for age headcanons in 2012, I can basically see any order of age. Generally I stick with Leo, Raph, Donnie, Mikey because that's what's standard and what people expect, but other orders are fun as well. As for the twin hcs, I can see any combination with it. If you have any thoughts about what it should be for the ssau, I'm fine with it!

[spoopyblues214]

Rise ficlets and HCs!!

Meltdown- reader has a meltdown and Donnie helps (rise)

IKEA- reader goes to ikea with the disaster twins (rise)

Player- Mikey is a bit of a player, and the falling out that follows (2012)

The Pudding- Reader tries a sensory ick food, and Donnie helps (rise)

Red Red Red- Raph finds Reader badly hurt, angst (rise)

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Gentlemanly- headcanons of the main 4's reactions to hand kisses (rise)

Cuddles and kisses- headcanons of the main 4 and how they give/recieve affection (rise)

Vicious Valentines- headcanons of the mud dogs on valentines day!

Yapper- headcanons for a reader that talks about anything and everything (rise)

[whyamiheretumbled]

ZCENE REDRAW

Just my hc's for the 2012 turtlez...Rant below

So basically Leo+Raph I hc as twins, and I made sure to five them matching yin and yang synbols because I feel they would be close after splinterz death especially

Meanwhile Mikey and Donnie also have matching mask tailz

-I hc Donnie getz nosebleeds VERY easily

-He is also a elite germaphobe so he alwayz wearz specialised glovez

-Mikey puts on eyelashes for fun, and Leo does them bcuz of April + Karai

-Leo also has the red eyeliner cuz of karai

-Leo:He/they

-Raph:He/him

-Donnie:He/they/it(mostly uses It/itz)

-Mikey:He/ze/piz/za/she/they/it(Mainz r Piz/za/He)

[dysfunctional-doodle]

How old are all the boys in too many turtles?

I keep meaning to have a page ready whenever someone asks this but I forget. Basically it is kinda:

1987: the most ambiguous “because of marketing”, though around 18? I’m not too sure tbh. On the adult side of teen, they’re very much pushing it.

2003: all around 24, with Mikey being 6 ish months younger so he’s still 23

2007: it takes place half a year or so after the movie, so Leo is 22. I hc that Donnie, Raph and Mikey potentially as a triplet set younger at 21? I’m still debating on it, but it would be a fun idea if that was another reason why just Leo went away.

2012: all 20, unless you count dimension X for Mikey, who is ~22 (he can’t remember)

Bayverse: takes place a year and a half after the second movie, and so I want to say 17? Mikey and Donnie are younger, both hatching later. It’s a difference that isn’t too big, so they just round it.

Rise: 6 ish months - a year after the movie. Mikey is 15, Donnie and Leo are 17 and Raph is 18/19. Mikey isn’t two years younger than the twins, he just hasn’t had his birthday yet!

TOTTMNT: Whenever the series takes place tbh. I think it’s soon after the movie because it seems like it’s their first party, so I am going to say 15. However Donnie and Mikey are younger, being twins at 14. Leo and Raph are a second pair of twins.

[twin-disaster-tutel-brainrot]

WELCOME TO OUR TURTLE BRAINROT

Hi there! We're:

SeeD | they/them/any | main: @justasunflowerseed

Remi | they/them | main: @remitiras

We're just two turtle-obsessed twins who decided to make a shared rottmnt sideblog, were we ramble about our shared obsession in the form of headcanons, fics, comics, and unintelligible noises.

We're not content creators, we both have full time jobs and are chronic procrastinators. We make because we felt it's illegal to save those ideas for ourselves, but the creative process takes time and we do it as a hobby, please be patient with us! :)

Ongoing projects:

Size Upgrade AU: au comic following the premise of "what if Mikey saved future Leo instead of present Leo at the end of the movie?" - masterpost coming soon

Silly Straws: a canon compliant ao3 fic collection taking place all over the show's and movie's timeline. Still a wip, currently has no posted fic yet. - masterpost coming soon

more under the cut.

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[rosey-mango]

[TMNT 2012]

SCREENSHOT REDRAWS:

☆ First Mikey drawing/redraw ▪︎ Dizzy Leo ☆ Kraangified Donnie

DOODLES AND DRAWINGS:

☆ First Donnie drawing ▪︎ TMNT 2012 self-insert ☆ TMNT 2012 OCs [Sadie & Angie] ▪︎ Donnie doodle [menace] ☆ Donnie style practice ▪︎ More Donnie practice doodles ☆ Donnie suffers my pain ▪︎ Drawing my Halloween costume 2024 ☆ Franken-Donnie ▪︎ Sadie's very first design ☆ Mikey pumpkin GIF ▪︎ 2012 school doodles ☆ "HAVE YOU LOST YOUR SHELL?" ▪︎ 2012 Sadie re-design ☆ Donnie & shark plush ▪︎ Leo practice ☆ School laptop doodle + another doodle ▪︎ Humanized turtles (not finalized) ☆ Math sketches

RAMBLES:

☆ Comparing Leo's ▪︎ Similarity in Rise and 2012 ☆ Favorite 2012 Episodes ▪︎ TMNT ask game response ☆ Donnie's most powerful ability ▪︎ Mikey's trust ☆ How does Donnie get chemicals? ▪︎ Raph nuzzles while hugging ☆ Donnie and corpses ▪︎ Horror-like episodes ☆ "Metalhead" and "The Purple Game" ▪︎ Raph and Leo HCs ☆ Two sets of twins HC ▪︎ Silly Snake AU idea [for free??? lol] ☆ Realizing they're fighting teens

[leosmakingascene]

just wanted to share my hc on tmnt twins/ages:

obv for rise there is disaster twins (which i like think leo is the older twin, but it doesn't matter too much)

for 2012 i am a FIRM believer in leo and raph twins (there is no changing my mind on this, but i can agree to disagree)

for 2003 they are just so.. quadruplet LOL but i believe donnie is older than raph 1000% and mikey and raph are so .. younger twin energy and don and leo are so older twin energy! but i see a lot of people go don and raph twins, which i like too, they're both very middle child LOL

that's all :]