#1x06 lethe

[sporkandpringles]

DISCO 1x06 “Lethe” is genius because they took “Sarek got mad at Spock for not choosing the Vulcan Science Academy” and made Sarek somehow both more sympathetic (because he was forced to choose between his kids) and more of a bitch about it (because that man cannot communicate with his children if it kills him) and I love it for that

[bussterj]

I'm watching Star Trek: Discovery 1x06 "Lethe"

[the-goofball]

[lionowlonao3]

How do you factor the fact Lorca just canonically slept with Katrina into your HC about his affair with Michael? Just out of curiosity

so personally not a big fan of lorca/cornwell (except perhaps as a past relationship) so i hope it’s the last time this happens but to answer your question

well for one, in my / headcanon, lorca and michael are just having sex so there’s no reason they’d be exclusive. actually if they had had a discussion and agreed to be exclusive that wouldn’t fit with my no-relationship hc so that

i mean also, i think that he and cornwell actually had a proper relationship at one point and genuinely romantically loved each other but i think by the time dsc is set that had long since ended and they’d become (good) friends and nothing more, and them sleeping together then was a combination of nostalgia and fighting to prove whether he should be relieved of his captaincy or not. she accused him of that, and she was probably right, but i think she’s just as guilty of it in this case

[startrekucast]

Our review, trivia, and our favorite quotes from "Lethe", the sixth episode of "Star Trek: Discovery"! What are your thoughts on this episode? Let us know at StarTrekUCast@gmail.com!

Star Trek Universe Podcast: #016: 'Star Trek: Discovery' Review - 1x06 - "Lethe"

[icecream-junkie]

Star Trek Discovery’s Captain Lorca, moral values, and the MU

(This post contains spoilers for episodes 1x06 and 1x12 of Star Trek Discovery.)

First of all, I would like to apologize for this lengthy rant. This has been brewing for a while, and after seeing a few comments in regards to the latest Star Trek Discovery episode, Vaulting Ambition, I really had to get this off my chest. @thetv-junkie has already made similar points in another post that I strongly recommend reading.

Before I continue, I’ll freely admit that I’m absolutely, unashamedly #TeamLorca. To me, Lorca is a fascinating character, no matter whether he’s PU or MU, morally ambiguous or outright evil. I know I’m not the only one who thinks so, but there has also been a lot of criticism. From the very beginning, Lorca has been called all kinds of names, because he doesn’t behave like the typical Starfleet captain. After the big reveal in Vaulting Ambition new insults have been added to that list, even though the only information we have is handily supplied by his enemy (who, as such, isn’t necessarily a reliable source).

I’m not saying that Lorca is without flaw. Truth be told, he’s the complete opposite. But that’s what makes him such a great character and an ideal mirror for our own moral values.

In the MU moral values are vastly different than in the PU. You could probably go as far as to say that there simply are none. We might not like the rules characters from that particular universe play by; in fact, we’re supposed to disagree with them. In a way, that’s the whole point of the MU. We’re supposed to see a vastly different, if not outright evil, version of something good, something we admire.

Lorca is a great example for that. He is manipulative and ruthlessly pursues his own goals no matter what the costs might be. He doesn’t seem to care who he sacrifices to reach his goals and shows no remorse. In short, he is what a character from the MU should be.

However, just because we consider a certain type of behaviour wrong, doesn’t mean that it is considered wrong in the MU. Lorca (or anyone else from the MU for that matter), who has lived his whole (or at least most of his) life in a universe that isn’t bound by PU moral values, might see things very differently. In fact, by MU standards Lorca might still turn out to be a good guy in his universe, despite all that he has done.

The scene with Cornwell in Lethe is a good example. Do I think he should have slept with her? No. But just because I feel like he shouldn’t have doesn’t mean that he feels the same way. In fact, it might not even have crossed his mind that this might be inappropriate. As @thetv-junkie pointed out, sex is often used as a means to an end in the MU. That’s exactly what Lorca did here. He used sex to manipulate or at least distract Kat. He’s behaving like a character from the MU would.

Kat is sleeping with him knowing full well that she probably shouldn’t sleep with Gabriel in this situation. She knows that she is being manipulated, because Lorca wasn’t particularly sneaky about it. He obviously suggested they should have sex to stop her line of questioning. She might very well have her own agenda for sleeping with him. After all, she wants to know if he is well enough to be in command and while I do believe that she genuinely worries about him and might even be blinded by her feelings for him to a certain extent, that doesn’t change the fact that her choice to have sex with him when she visited him to evaluate him (even if it’s in an unofficial capacity) is questionable as well.

After the incident with the phaser Cornwell becomes a threat to Lorca and his mission. As a result, he suggests that she should take over Sarek’s mission in the hopes to either distract her or get rid of her. However, it is what it is: a suggestion. After all, he’s only a captain. He can’t simply send an admiral on a mission or make her do anything she doesn’t want to do. If Cornwell and/or Starfleet Command had not been convinced that the risk was worth taking for the slim chance of ending the war sooner rather than later, she would have told him just where to stick that suggestion. Yes, he may have schemed to get her out of the way. Yes, he may have willingly risked her life to buy himself time to get Discovery to the MU (again, perfectly acceptable behaviour for an MU character), but in the end the decision was hers. Saying he ‘sent’ her to the Klingons, implies that she didn’t have a choice, which isn’t the case. She did have a choice and she chose to risk her life. Personally, I feel like saying otherwise diminishes her courage and sacrifice.

As for MU Lorca and MU Burnham and whatever their relationship might have been, so far we‘ve only heard what Emperor Georgiou told us. Honestly, I don’t trust that woman as far as I can throw her. I’m might really have cared for MU Michael or even loved her like a daughter, but that doesn’t mean that everything she tells PU Michael is the truth. @inwaitforsomethingbetter made some good points that show how Georgiou is manipulating Michael and it doesn’t surprise me. After all, she isn’t Georgiou’s Michael. She just looks like her.

While it is clear that MU Lorca seems to care for Michael (or at least pretends to convincingly), I’m not necessarily a fan of MU Lorca/MU Burnham as a ship and would much rather see them in a (non-sexual) mentor & mentee or father & daughter relationship. However, even if every word Georgiou said was true (and if TPTB choose to go that way so be it), it doesn’t change the fact that we are talking about the MU here and that our moral values don’t apply there.

You might find it revolting and that’s ok. But please take it as what it is and always was meant to be (at least in my eyes): a look at right and wrong, good and evil and how fine a line there might be between the two. Two versions of the same character brought up in different environments can turn into completely opposite people, while still being similar somehow. Nobody is either completely good or completely evil. Lorca fooled many people in the PU, so he can’t have behaved too badly according to PU moral values most of the time. At this point I’m not sure whether that’s because he simply isn’t all bad or because he’s a very talented liar and was clever enough not to get caught when he did break the rules, but it doesn’t really matter. Either way he is a fascinating character that makes us think about our own moral values. Just look at all the discussions this sparked!

[v-e-l-v-e-t-g-o-l-d-m-i-n-e]

You’re right. It's been harder on me than I let on. I lied about everything, and I need help.

[kajaono]

I am really worried about Paul Stamets!

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Amanda Grayson - 1x06 "Lethe"

[jazzypizzaz]

On the day of Michael’s graduation ceremony, Amanda convinces Sarek to make a different decision.  Canon divergence for the flashbacks in episode 1x06 Lethe.

this is for @silver-thyla for @startreksecretsanta 2019!!!  I took a few liberties with the prompt, and it got a little supernatural (just a smidge) – I sincerely hope you enjoy!

[a-still-deeper-shadow]

Lethe + textposts (Star Trek: Discovery 1x06)

Now that's my kind of crazy. You're talking about building a synthetic mind meld augment. Groovy.

[sporkandpringles]

✨Hello! T'Mina, here! ✨ I'm a queer, third-generation trekkie who loves Vulcans and Romulans. Welcome to my Star Trek Blog! About Me: she/they | 30 | AuDHD | Bi-oriented Aegosexual Aro-Ace* *subject to change. The gender and sexuality crisis has been ongoing since 2014. Star Trek Favorites: Favorite Episode: DIS 1x06 "Lethe" Favorite Series To Watch: Voyager Favorite Series to Write About: A tie between AOS and DISCO Favorite Captain: Kathryn Janeway Favorite Main Character: Michael Burnham Star Trek Ships: Kirk/Spock (Spirk, K/S) Sarek/Amanda Grayson Solkar/Zefram Cochrane Bochra/Geordi La Forge Beckett Mariner/T'Lyn Michael Burnham/T'Pring Benjamin Sisko/Solok Kira Nerys/Kimara Cretak Trip/T’Pol Nyota Uhura/Gaila, Christine Chapel/T'Pring Deanna Troi/Tasha Yar (...and many, many more) Star Trek Poly Ships Kirk/Spock/Uhura Kirk/Spock/Uhura/Gaila Worf/Riker/Troi Worf/Riker/Troi/Tasha Yar Tuvok/T'Pel/Janeway (...and many, many more)

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1x06 “Lethe” promo trailer

In Greek mythology, Lethe was one of the five rivers of the underworld of Hades. The Lethe flowed around the cave of Hypnos and through the Underworld, where all those who drank from it experienced complete forgetfulness.

Lethe was also the name of the Greek spirit of forgetfulness and oblivion, with whom the river was often identified.

In Classical Greek, the word lethe literally means “oblivion”, “forgetfulness”, or “concealment”.

[the-goofball]

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Star Trek Discovery » 1x06 (Lethe)

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star trek: discovery | 1x06 | lethe

bring her back in one piece. or don’t come back at all.