#1899 ramiro

[rotzaprachim]

the fun game where I look for yiddn in 1899 for personal enjoyment

note that pretty much none of this will follow canon and I am doing it for my personal Jewish enjoyment. It’s a boat full of Europeans fleeing Europe in 1899 what can I even say

a) Olek - by far the most likely, considering the absolutely mass immigration of Jews from Galitzia (where the postcard Olek carries is addressed to) to New York, where he wants to move. Olek being a secret jew is something I’m 99% the writers didn’t intent but that lines up incredibly well with what’s suggested of his story, the actual history of 1899, and the consistent thematic resonance of people concealing or lying about their ethnic or national origin, including not only Ramiro but Ying Li, olek’s deepest parallel and love interest. (Seriously like… these two parallel each other so deeply in everything and the cantonese speaking prostitutes’ daughter pretending to be Japanese aboard the white western ship and the Eastern European Jew pretending to be a polish Christian aboard the western Christian ship are such a fascinating parallel in nation and region and power relational to the West, as well as a negotiation of the brutal anti-Chinese and anti-Jewish immigration sentiment in the U.S. at the time.) The scenario would place Olek as a polish and Yiddish speaking Jew who was attacked by an antisemitic coworker at the oil refinery where he worked or something, or who had survived a pogrom or displacement, and ended up stealing his attackers identity and postcard after he killed him in self defense. This would be a Ramiro and a ying li parallel, and show the repeated and clearly heavy postcard metaphor in a new light - this isn’t a hopeful golden lit coming to America metaphor, as it seems in the first couple scenes, but a physical realization of olek’s guilt at what he did to survive AND a heaviness that lurks around where he took the postcard from (the coworker on the oil field.)

verdict: both totally unwritten and completely contingent with what we know of canon. JEW

b) unlikely but funny as hell: Ramiro. Ángel thinks he has problems having to pretend to be straight and here we have Ramiriko struggling every fucking day with having to pretend to be STRAIGHT and SPANISH and also remember the order of the mass and not get the paternoster mixed up with shmah yisrael. Absolute comedy act. (He also seems consistently bewildered by Catholic canon or how to even do the priest act.) Adds fucked up flavour and nuance to whatever the fuck is going on with Ángel and Ramiro and the “you aren’t even Spanish” line, although does Ángel know Ramiro is a Jew? Probably not. Had he ever worked out he blows kosher dick? Story suggests Ángel doesn’t blow enough sick to really know, nor that that kind of thing would ever occur to him. This one is kind of unlikely, given there were very few Jews in Portugal in the 1800s and the portuense inquisition didn’t officially end till the 1820’s, but it is technically possible - Judaism began to be legal again in the 1800’s and Portuguese jewish communities began to form again. Furthermore, Ramiro being a jew, particularly a descendant of conversos or marranos, could be the context of the showdown where ángel says that he’s never pretended to be anything other than what he is (unlike Ramiro.) they’re both clealry so fruity that whatever he’s talking about isn’t sexuality. (Ramiro is symbolized by the cross, but the cross, along with he background outline of a church, also shows up as a significant element in his Trauma Room, so it might even be the identity he was forced to take on and then casts off). (The crucifix is also the symbol of the priest Ramiro killed it seems, although I think by drowning. A Jew killing a priest - who might have been ángels abuser - would launch such an incredible amount of antisemitic deicide let’s hunt the godkillers backlash they’d have to leave immediately) verdict: unlikely but not technically against canon. Both hysterically funny in light of being a catholic priest winging it for 8 episodes and absolutely heartbreaking

c) eyk. Oh boy. Unlike the other two nothing to suggest it but also nothing to not suggest it, right, although the concept of a German Jew whose family burned to death in a house he keeps seeing is. Oh boy. Assimilated yekke who turned to piloting as a way to work his way up in the world (and part of why his crew disrespects him.) His wife’s name is Sarah which could be pretty Jewish. Nína isn’t like, Jewish, but also isn’t NOT Jewish, and we don’t know the names of his other daughters, which could be like, Rochel and Shoshana. (Or not! Considering the assimilated yekke thing.) clearly lying about a million things. Is this one of them? Is he even real? verdict: the fire was his maybe-automaton wife knocking over the shabbes candles. Possible yid. Who even knows? Not eyk, for sure.

d) you could spare a thought for Daniel, who actually has a Hebrew name that directly parallels the figure of Daniel in the Hebrew Bible what with seeing visions and being trapped in the den and all that but he and his wife (maybe) buried his son with a cross and that cross keeps repeating with some of the most objectively Christian imagery in the show. Also they’ve buried their son beneath the cross. This could be playing the machine but unlike Ramiro it doesn’t seem so performative. verdict: goy

e) clémence

nothing to suggest it and nothing to not suggest it. Who even knows? Not us. Not clémence most of all

[awwsd]

My babygirls (real)

[exoticlittlebird]

I know there are lots of theories about Ángel and Ramiro’s simulation backstories, and I don’t know if this one has already been discussed, but Ramiro’s dialogue at the end of episode 3 got me thinking...

He says all of this is Ángel’s fault, assuming that “all of this” means the fact they have to run away and that Ramiro killed someone, basically their entire situation. (And before I continue let me be clear!!! I love Ángel. I love his character arc and I love him and Ramiro together. But he is not the greatest dude and the basis of his and Ramiro’s relationship is clearly a little toxic and fucked up, so just hear me out.)

These are the bits of Ramiro’s dialogue in ep 3 that really stick out to me --

-“You made me do all of this.” 

-“None of this would have ever happened. You and I would have never happened.” 

-“And all because of you. Because you can’t control yourself!”

-“You promised you’d change.”

Based on all of that, it’s pretty clear to me that they aren’t running away because a violent priest found out about Ángel and Ramiro being together -- a violent priest found out about Ángel because he got caught with a man (not Ramiro).

Ángel is clearly made out to be a playboy in the beginning of the series, establishing that ~that’s just the kind of guy he is~ (how much of that is just a facade is up for debate). Based on Ramiro’s dialogue here, Ángel has almost certainly cheated on people in the past, quite possibly including Ramiro. And I’m using the term “cheating” lightly because the Ángel we meet does not seem like the kind of person who commits to exclusive relationships in the first place. He and Ramiro most likely just fooled around while Ramiro worked for his family but were never exclusive (Ramiro is clearly in love with Ángel and probably wanted them to be). Ramiro knows he’s done this before. “You promised you’d change.” When they ran away together, Angel promised Ramiro he wouldn’t do it again.

I’m guessing Ángel was with some other man and got caught, either directly by this priest who knows him or by someone else who then informed the priest. When he went to punish Ángel, Ramiro found out and also went to try to stop him or to protect Ángel from getting beaten again (because he loves him so much, my sweet baby). Ramiro intervened, things got physical and it escalated, resulting in Ramiro accidentally killing the priest. He killed the priest because of Ángel. Because he was trying to protect him. If the priest had caught Ángel and Ramiro together, Ramiro killing him would have been self defense. If they had been caught together Ramiro would never say that this was all Ángel’s fault. It would have been a consequence of both of their actions. And in this ep 3 scene, Ramiro finds Ángel’s drawing of Krester and knows he’s been with him. He knows Ángel cheated again and Ramiro finally releases all his pent up frustrations about how their entire situation is a direct result of Ángel’s choice to be unfaithful.

Add in Ángel stating at the end of the scene “I am who I am,” plus his dialogue from episode 2 where he told Ramiro he’s never pretended to be someone he’s not (a cheater a non-commitment type of person). Ángel was careless, got caught with a man, and Ramiro protected him. Ángel came up with their escape plan and convinced Ramiro to go along with it. “You and I would have never happened,” they wouldn’t be stuck together fleeing to America, literally depending on each other for survival, if Ángel hadn’t given in to his wandering eye and gotten caught.

I know it’s nicer to imagine a rose-colored backstory of them as passionate lovers who got caught together and vowed to never leave each other, but to me it just doesn’t match up with the conversations we’re given in the show. They’ve got a fucked up past and a twisted relationship, but that doesn’t make me love them any less!! The whole second half of the series shows us how much they truly love each other, and at the end of the day their real relationship outside the simulation probably isn’t as fucked up as this one, so yeah. End of thoughts!!

[cant-get-worse-than-this]

Writing stories in Swedish class and the theme is murder. Finally I can write the idea for Ramiro & Ángel's backstory that I got for like a year ago.

[cinnamoncountess]

A mirror of each other?

In regards to my favorite 1899 triangle, this time looking at Ramiro and Krester in particular, I do wonder if it has been a deliberate choice to portray them as "mirrors" of each other, in regards to cinematographic choices and framing. Since the show has been cancelled we probably won't receive an answer to this, but it's conspicuous that they didn't do it once, but at least twice.

In episode 2:

Here it is most obvious, as these two scenes are blending into each other.

In episode 4:

This parallel in hand movements is quick to be missed, but not if you pay attention. Both of them raise their hands in a defensive manner, trying to de-escalate the situation.

What's the meaning behind this? Is there a meaning behind this after all??

These two don't share any dialogue and still, I can't get this out of my head for some reason...

[fukutomichi]

[macbeth-s]

The Ultimate Guide to 1899’s Monolingualism / Multilingualism.

[1899gifs]

1899 | character first appearances (1/?)

[netflixhyperfixations]

1899 was like this is maura and her boyfriend eyk and her surprise husband daniel and their son elliot and this is lucien and his wife clémence and her boyfriend jérôme (who is a homoerotic enemy of lucien) and her girlfriend tove and tove’s brother krester who ángel lusts after and this is ángel’s lover ramiro and let’s not forget ling yi and her boyfriend olek

[rumpled]

Every time, they make the same mistakes. And every time, they die. Because they can’t get rid of their emotions. But that’s what makes them weak. It’s human nature’s ultimate flaw. One shouldn’t base a choice on love, anger, hate. They’re just silly feelings that cloud the mind. — 1899, (fuck you netflix)

[rotzaprachim]

I think Ramiro 1899 being Jewish is something that I thought of as a joke before it swallowed me whole but Ramiro 1899 being trans is something that genuinely could have likely been canonical in later seasons

[awwsd]

Maybe I am toxic but am I the only person who didn’t read the Ramiro/Ángel/Krester situation as cheating while I was watching 1899?

Like obviously Ramiro is fully on board with loving Ángel and monogamy and all that (unfortunately, you poor poor man you deserve better) but idk I just kind of assumed it was an undefined type situation? Like ‘okay we’re both into guys and it’s 1899 might as well kiss 🤷‍♂️’

(Maybe I was just being too charitable to Ángel smh man does not deserve the benefit of the doubt)

[the-girl-in-the-high-castle]

1899 characters as cat memes I borrowed from Pinterest, part 1:

[fatousfishes]

my favourite part of 1899 was when the 2 fake priests were telling each other they were fake priests but they had no clue since one was Portuguese and the other was danish

[bramblrose]

“People are oblivious to reality. They only see what they want to see. Imprisoned by their mind’s restrictions. When all they have to do is shift their perspective to see the full scope of things.”