#angel x ramiro

[macbeth-s]

1899 + memes [1/???]

[rumpled]

Every time, they make the same mistakes. And every time, they die. Because they can’t get rid of their emotions. But that’s what makes them weak. It’s human nature’s ultimate flaw. One shouldn’t base a choice on love, anger, hate. They’re just silly feelings that cloud the mind. — 1899, (fuck you netflix)

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yeah i'm so normal about them

[1899gifs]

[life-love-geekculture]

Angel’s vibe: Is it me? Am I the drama? I don’t think I’m the drama

[exoticlittlebird]

I know there are lots of theories about Ángel and Ramiro’s simulation backstories, and I don’t know if this one has already been discussed, but Ramiro’s dialogue at the end of episode 3 got me thinking...

He says all of this is Ángel’s fault, assuming that “all of this” means the fact they have to run away and that Ramiro killed someone, basically their entire situation. (And before I continue let me be clear!!! I love Ángel. I love his character arc and I love him and Ramiro together. But he is not the greatest dude and the basis of his and Ramiro’s relationship is clearly a little toxic and fucked up, so just hear me out.)

These are the bits of Ramiro’s dialogue in ep 3 that really stick out to me --

-“You made me do all of this.” 

-“None of this would have ever happened. You and I would have never happened.” 

-“And all because of you. Because you can’t control yourself!”

-“You promised you’d change.”

Based on all of that, it’s pretty clear to me that they aren’t running away because a violent priest found out about Ángel and Ramiro being together -- a violent priest found out about Ángel because he got caught with a man (not Ramiro).

Ángel is clearly made out to be a playboy in the beginning of the series, establishing that ~that’s just the kind of guy he is~ (how much of that is just a facade is up for debate). Based on Ramiro’s dialogue here, Ángel has almost certainly cheated on people in the past, quite possibly including Ramiro. And I’m using the term “cheating” lightly because the Ángel we meet does not seem like the kind of person who commits to exclusive relationships in the first place. He and Ramiro most likely just fooled around while Ramiro worked for his family but were never exclusive (Ramiro is clearly in love with Ángel and probably wanted them to be). Ramiro knows he’s done this before. “You promised you’d change.” When they ran away together, Angel promised Ramiro he wouldn’t do it again.

I’m guessing Ángel was with some other man and got caught, either directly by this priest who knows him or by someone else who then informed the priest. When he went to punish Ángel, Ramiro found out and also went to try to stop him or to protect Ángel from getting beaten again (because he loves him so much, my sweet baby). Ramiro intervened, things got physical and it escalated, resulting in Ramiro accidentally killing the priest. He killed the priest because of Ángel. Because he was trying to protect him. If the priest had caught Ángel and Ramiro together, Ramiro killing him would have been self defense. If they had been caught together Ramiro would never say that this was all Ángel’s fault. It would have been a consequence of both of their actions. And in this ep 3 scene, Ramiro finds Ángel’s drawing of Krester and knows he’s been with him. He knows Ángel cheated again and Ramiro finally releases all his pent up frustrations about how their entire situation is a direct result of Ángel’s choice to be unfaithful.

Add in Ángel stating at the end of the scene “I am who I am,” plus his dialogue from episode 2 where he told Ramiro he’s never pretended to be someone he’s not (a cheater a non-commitment type of person). Ángel was careless, got caught with a man, and Ramiro protected him. Ángel came up with their escape plan and convinced Ramiro to go along with it. “You and I would have never happened,” they wouldn’t be stuck together fleeing to America, literally depending on each other for survival, if Ángel hadn’t given in to his wandering eye and gotten caught.

I know it’s nicer to imagine a rose-colored backstory of them as passionate lovers who got caught together and vowed to never leave each other, but to me it just doesn’t match up with the conversations we’re given in the show. They’ve got a fucked up past and a twisted relationship, but that doesn’t make me love them any less!! The whole second half of the series shows us how much they truly love each other, and at the end of the day their real relationship outside the simulation probably isn’t as fucked up as this one, so yeah. End of thoughts!!

[slightly-teambuilding]

[spacer4t]

So what do you your three favourite shows have most in common:

Well, here we are...

[darkwinged-angel]

Here’s my opinion on the love triangles of 1899:

First things first: usually, regarding love triangles, one easily makes their choice. With 1899, that’s not what happens, cause it’s 1899.

*minor spoilers*

1. Ramiro x Angel x Krester:

Honestly, Angel might have given a whole redeeming speech before his death but he was so arrogant in face of his actions that it doesn’t really feel like he regretted them. Also I think there’s more to Krester’s story since he really doesn’t seem like someone who’d assault people. Then we have sweet Ramiro who should be protected at all costs. This is a triangle right? All angles are connected so we can have Krester x Ramiro and ship Angel back home to his mother.

2. Lucien x Clemence x Jerome

Ok I was sorta suspicious of Clemence at the beginning. Technically, Lucien is a cheater too, he did lie a lot to Clemence and blamed her for something he knew she wasn’t culpable. As much as I felt more sympathy for Lucien than I did for Angel during his redemption speech, I still find Jerome a better person. So Clemence x Jerome.

3. Eyk x Maura x Daniel

Why oh why? Eyk is the sexy german captain, beautified with pain and agony, Daniel is the “I’d do anything and everything for you” lover of the century and Maura is the role model protagonist hanging to the last strings of her sanity with all she’s got and managing to fall in love at the same time. She does deserve a treat, can’t she have both? Yea she can. Also I am incapable of choosing so, it’s Eyk x Maura x Daniel.

[cinnamoncountess]

Gonna pretend we're in another sim. 🫠

[cant-get-worse-than-this]

Writing stories in Swedish class and the theme is murder. Finally I can write the idea for Ramiro & Ángel's backstory that I got for like a year ago.

[macbeth-s]

Fuck dating apps, I want to meet someone the old fashioned way (we’re both stuck in a looped simulation faced with our own traumas where none of us can speak the same language but we still spend every replay falling in love)

[professionallydeadinside]

C3 with ángel and ramiro and i ask you follow my tall ramiro agenda pretty pwease

LOVE TALL RAMIRO BUT ALSO FUCK THIS POSE WAS SO HARD WAKJHGFDSDFGHG

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[fatherramiro]

going off of what miguel said about ángel and ramiro struggling to accept themselves, it is interesting that in episode three, ramiro sort of stops pretending to be someone he’s not? he steps up, he stops speaking spanish and starts speaking portuguese, and he does the right thing when he can. he also displays the traits that ángel brings up in their last scene: he’s gentle with the others, he’s loyal to the captain, and he comes running back to protect ángel when they realize that people are jumping overboard. 

meanwhile ángel, who proudly proclaims he’s never pretended to be something he’s not, drops that facade of being this careless nasty rich boy and opens himself up to vulnerability with ramiro. while im not about to say that they’ve accepted themselves, i feel like they’re more on the path to that in that simulation where they reach a breaking point. and that’s really summed up in “you came back”/ “of course i came back” because ángel seems used to people leaving and ramiro remains true to his loyal self

[slightly-teambuilding]

Side note no. 2. Anhel have feelings for both of them