#. i have talked positively about my abuser in the past bc of how they reacted and acted towards me. but i only know how they acted towards
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kutyozh · 1 year ago
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you know, every time sth like this comes to light, be it J////y D/pp or now T/ll L//////nn, it makes me wonder if the person who caused my trauma keeps watching their films, listening to their music. or even defends these abusers. this is not strictly important for me, since i'm not in contact w them, but what i really wonder is if they are out there going around hurting others who are like me. like yeah they understood what was going on with me after That Happened but do they understand that there are many people like me out there. that it's all structural and not "just" a fatal mistake they made that one time
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trans-leek-cookie · 26 days ago
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its past midnight and time to yap about Mouthwashing. Anyway obviously we don't see the Specific Events only how the characters react but with Anya... Okay I'm going to talk about the Sexual Assault not with Specific Details but that's what the post is about so
Anyways she reads to me as very like... trying to downplay the severity to herself. Like thinking through it (not having the exact quotes but) I feel like it'd be an unfortunately natural reaction- if you were stuck with 4 guys and the guy with the second highest position on the ship assaulted you depending on the situation. I feel like its not hard to imagine you'd try and reframe it as Less Bad to cope because let me be honest if I had to confront the implications of that, mainly the fact he could do it again and I wouldn't have any real way of dealing with it without complicating things even further bc he doesn't just have a close relationship with the guy with the Most Power on the ship, he also is in charge of keeping Me and The Other People On The Ship Safe, i would be in deep denial just to not lose my god damn mind like thats so fucking scary. And then the implication you tried to talk to the captain and even if he wasn't cruel he didn't Understand the Severity of what you were suggesting is like. Besides feeling afraid it could genuinely really fuck with my own perception bc like "if this guy who I trust says he's not a bad person maybe I'm just overreacting?" is. Again unfortunately understandable.
And again I'll say that Anya fully breaks down when the news breaks that pony express is fucked and like. 1. I think that's related to her own finances (and also. Literally just realized the way an abortion could interact badly with "no savings" like I Just Processed that fact. Like I knew "oh if she couldn't abort having to support a child wouldn't just be traumatic but also fucking nightmarish finance wise" but even having an abortion could make things so much harder.) 2. Jimmy LASHES OUT at Curly OPENLY. again based on my interpretation of Mildly In Denial To Cope this would. Like. Really fuck with that because it goes from "I trust the captain and I don't want to be afraid of my crewmate for a year" to "oh he is willing to verbally abuse the captain, who is his friend" and realizing I wasn't overreacting.
I also wanna point to the dead pixel conversation and obv it's symbolic but idk if it's meant as "there's a dead pixel that Anya noticed and she's using the topic to like test the waters" or if it's "anya is literally just trying to figure out Curly's thought process" which isn't like super important but like. Focusing on the way she starts the conversation by saying that she "Likes the illusion the screen has". (I don't remember the exact words sorry) But that's really interesting to me bc obviously you can read into Curly not seeing the dead pixel and instead focusing on the bigger picture (and how the dead pixel "doesn't ruin the illusion") but I think it's really interesting that Anya starts by talking Positively about the screen even though the dead pixel is there (and she can't stop thinking about it)
Like thinking through implications option 1: she's talking about the screen and uses the dead pixel to get a feel for how Curly responds to her bringing up issues
2: she's being entirely metaphorical and still trying to sort of self soothe- seeking external validation that the dead pixel Isn't Actually That Big A Deal (and therefore she's just overthinking)
3: idk how to phrase this exactly but ppl have talked Abt the way she talks to Jimmy, how it indicates a sort of "Fawn" response where she tries to keep him calm with compliments and stuff, and her talking about "enjoying the illusion" is her trying to do something similar with Curly- essentially starting the metaphor by downplaying the issue
Anyway. I don't know if I have a full conclusion but another thing is I think ppl need to acknowledge that while Curly fucked up and harmed Anya (mainly thru inaction). He's not uniquely shitty. Most people will be in a situation where they act similarly, and that DOES NOT JUSTIFY HIS ACTIONS. I AM NOT SAYING CURLY IS ANY BETTER. I am saying that you need to be able to recognize your capacity for harm thru inaction and understand that like. He's not uniquely terrible he's just Normal Levels Of Unhelpful, which in a situation like Anya's is Dangerous
Like. Basically you can say "fuck jimmy fuck curly" all you want but you need to be able to understand that everyone including yourself has the same capacity for harm
#Mouthwashing spoilers#Rape ment#SA ment#Ask to tag#Idk I will say with the Anya thing: I'm a little bit speaking from personal experience#Of. There are things that I think about like ''ppl say These Things (that I experienced) are Very Bad but I don't think that's the case#For me'' like. Not consciously ''oh I'm over reacting'' but more ''well maybe my situation is different'' and it's really hard to figure ou#How much of that is genuinely the case and how much is denial y'know. 👍#Also Curly is a trans guy to me bc I'm hungry for characters who are trans men and just as culpable of willful ignorance and harm#As cis men. Anyway if anyone has a diff take on Anya's situation and)or mindset I'm open to hear it this is just my thoughts#Based on how the scenes read to me.#Also like the situation is delicate and this isn't like A Perfect Fix but genuinely Curly should've given Anya the gun#I don't think she would've shot it but it works as a Defensive Threat in a way that would give her security and also deter jimmy from being#A fucking problem because he doesn't experience consequences for his actions due to a mix of Captain's Friend and#''we can't really do shit to him or we lose our co-pilot'' (even tho he fucking sucks at his job they don't learn that until he#Is The Captain so they likely assume he's at least fucking. Functional and they would be worse off with him out of commission. Y'know)#But then again Jimmy's allergic to responsibility and consequences to the point of murder suicide so maybe Anya wouldve had to shoot him#Idk. Imagine me pacing full of rage. Imagining a universe where Anya can just fucking go to med school and doesn't have to deal with#The pony express. FUCK THE PONY EXPRESS
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ghcstvalleychief · 2 years ago
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My issue with the way the fandom treats Apo is that I see a lot of ableism. People like to bring up homophobia and the constant questions of his sexuality as well as colorism and racism within the industry, which is valid because he’s been vocal about it but, I see a hell of a lot of ableist thinking when it comes to him. I’m ADHD and autistic and I see a lot of neurodivergent traits in Apo, definitely ADHD vibes to me personally. I see people commenting on his body language and habits but really most of the time he’s just stimming. Which he does A LOT and in many different ways. He’s blunt without being unkind, very stubborn when he’s made up his mind, he’s boisterous and loud, he meditates to center himself and battle anxiety, he’s constantly poking and touching everyone around bc that’s how he shows affection, he loves vivid colors and wears whatever he’s most comfortable in ex: His (and Porsche’s) habit of rolling his sleeves up and adding to that his picky eating screams sensory issues to me. But the audience reacts to him in a very “manic pixie dream girl” way and reduces it all to “quirkiness” and “awww how cute” and it just rubs me the wrong way.
The problem is that when people see that as childlike it then automatically translates into immaturity and naïveté. The fans infantilize him constantly and the tone can be both positive and negative but in the end it accomplishes the same thing: taking away his agency and therefor putting into question every single choice he makes. He’s been very open about the abuse he’s suffered in the industry and it’s obvious he’s been taken advantage of in the past and discriminated against due to the way he naturally presents himself. So it’s super disheartening to see people talk about him like he’s completely naive to the world around him when I see the opposite. He has made a clear and public choice to not mask things people have a problem with and he’s surrounded himself with a support system in people like Mile.
I think that’s why the Pond allegations really piss me off. Apo knows his shit in the industry and it’s been talked about by the people who work with him. You literally see cast members asking him for acting advice or behind the scenes crew asking him his opinions on things because his knowledge and experience is valuable. From what I remember he also helped to get KP running with BOC - even though this fandom gives all of that credit to Mile - and is a huge reason the Thai film is even being made. Instead people had to run with the “sleeping with the boss” schtick which again, disregards all of his accomplishments and puts him into a box of only being successful because he’s cute and pretty.
He knows who he is and he knows what he wants and he’s going to be himself the whole way. The fans seem to be unable to see that and in my own experience with this, I can say, it really frickin hurts when your proven capability gets questioned at literally every turn just because people are ignorant and ableist.
I’ve had these conversation in private to friends who agreed with this take but since you’re someone who seems able to listen and give good feedback, I’m curious as to what your thoughts are. If you feel this is stupid or you think it might cause you more problems, then please feel free to ignore me.
(Reading this just made me realize that I may not have undiagnosed ADHD at all, and it actually may be autism. Huh, now THAT'S a revelation but I digress..)
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I completely agree! People don't realize that the infantilization of Apo is quite harmful. You think of him as your cute little uwu baby and that's a good thing, right? However, with that comes a completely different can of worms. No one takes children and young people seriously. No one sees children and/or young people as human beings so they essentially don't exist as individuals. So if people don't see you as a mature adult with your own mind and agency, it makes it easier for them to disregard, ignore, and discredit your opinions when they disagree with your perspectives. That's the problem that results from all of this.
For the longest time, I found it odd because you have people in this fandom who consider Apo to be a child when he's older than certain groups of this fandom. He's older than some of his cast mates, but he gets treated as if he's younger than cast mates who are chronologically younger than him. Honestly, you may be onto something when you say this viewpoint of Apo could stem from some form of ableism among other things.
They want Apo to fall in line. They want to put him in this box, but they're going to suffer from disappointment once they realize that he's his own person and he's not going to do what they want him to do. He's going to do what's best for him, and that's his right. You may not agree with it, and that's fine. You can still support and like someone without agreeing with all of their choices. But their willingness to see Apo as an immature airhead further discredits his own expertise in the film industry as if he doesn't know a thing or two about all of this. Implying that he's involved with that man tells me that these people aren't really fans of Apo if they believe he would need to do something like that to get ahead. Which is absolutely disgusting, by the way.
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hayakawalove · 2 months ago
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HIII REM >wo
My sweet angel I hope your week has been well. Thank you for always responding to my asks and always providing a safe place for me to be silly over suguru with you. This one gonna be deep like 12ft pool deep! I made a huuuge step in my healing journey from surviving abuse by starting to share other survivors and mine. I basically went back to where it occurred to give thanks for really good times that turned into a full on grief session.
I was wailing screaming shaking so loud and lowkey overstayed my quick lil trespass moment. A soccer little league coach caught my ass in fetal position crying my tears all over the memorial ground. I raised my cute 🗿 head to see him looking at me the same like are you okay….and nicely asked me to leave bc they got practice i feel saur embarrassed i just made that practice for the kids awkward 😭 Sugu would never!! May I ask how Suguru would react to seeing his sweet angel like that and also learning about their past :3
Thank you as always!! Stay hydrated and get lots of rest <3
-🗿
YOU ARE SO KIND I’m so glad you feel safe enough to talk to me <33 im so proud of you for doing that! It’s not easy by any means.
NOT GETTING CAUGHT SKFJKDKFKF THATS SOOOO IM SORRY! Your cute little 🗿 face made me laugh though that’s so cute. I hope he was like. At least nice about it?
SUGURU WOULD NEVER. He understands trauma so well… I think he would have two reactions. The first one is his heart breaking, cause he would never want to see you in any pain. The second is fix it mode. I think he’d try to do anything that would make you feel better. He’s making tea, holding you close, telling you you’re safe. Suguru just understands mental health on such a deep level. Of course he gets it, he’s experienced it. I think he’d rush to get you someplace safe. Not because he’s embarrassed, but because he doesnt want you to feel rushed. If you need to scream and cry for an hour, then he’ll stay by your side and wait until you need him. If you want to have a moment where you let it all go, he gets it.
Suguru loves when you share your past with him not because he enjoys what you’re saying, but because he wants to understand you more. He’d hear about your trauma and would be pissed, but I don’t think he’d have a burning desire to hurt the abuser. I think he’d want to focus on you more. What can he do to make you feel better? What can he do to make you happy? I’ve wanted to write suguru with a reader who’s experienced trauma or SA for a long time but the topic feels so heavy and personal. I just think he’d be so good with it. @\twentyfivemiceinatrenchcoat also has a suguru and reader with trauma WIP I think but I don’t know when they’ll post it. He just hates it though. He hates the idea that anyone would want to hurt you. Suguru would try so hard to make you feel comfortable.
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moemammon · 4 years ago
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When I was in High School, my crush and I got into a fight and neither of us were talking to each other. One day I was headed up the stairwell to get to my science class, when I saw them coming up from behind... I don't think they had even noticed me yet considering that they were busy talking to their friend BUT I am slow going up stairs so even if I rushed up the stairs roadrunner style they would have caught up to me, well; the little corner that connects the steps going up to the second floor and the steps heading down to the ground floor had a large open window... and I jumped out, like I literally just jumped out. I didn't even think it through, I just saw the window and my body was like "Yep, IK what to do." I landed on a bush or tree? It's too big to call a bush but too small to call a tree, landed in a squat before my feet gave out and I fall onto my knees and got two large grass stains on my jeans knee part, couldn't walk right either after that landing, I was shaky all day lol but it was a risk well calculated bc the whole thing would have been so awkward. I mean we used to be like BFFS before the rumors began and then they started and we just stopped talking without warning, we couldn't even look at each other. Our science partners, bc we were in groups of four, literally got fed up of our bullshit bc we literally refused to acknowledge the others existence... anyway, I digress...
Anyway, this whole story is a long winded way of me requesting how the brothers would react to an MC that literally just jumps out windows to avoid awkward moments, or to dodge people that want to ask them for favors, or when they straight up want to avoid someone?
And sorry about the large ass message, but thanks for letting me vent
You have a special place in my heart, window-jumping anon. Just uhhhhhhh look down next time okay? Ily
The Demon Brothers react to GN!MC jumping out of a window to avoid an awkward moment
(Mario jumping sound effect)
Lucifer
He approached you after class to ask exactly what you were snickering at your D.D.D. about during class.
Must've been real funny if you weren't listening to your lecture, huh?
"I imagine you've somehow found something worthy of laughing about in Demonology 101?"
You do not have the guts to tell him that you and Mammon were texting back and forth, abusing a new photo editing app to alter pictures of the eldest himself.
I mean, take a wild guess about how he’d react to seeing how big you edited his head to be-
The avatar of pride lets his eyes pierce into you, like he's trying to stare a hole through your blanket of "uh"s and "um"s,
You don't exactly see a way out of this one, but you can NOT let Lucifer see your photo gallery.
So you glance to your left to the open classroom window, and do the only thing you can think of: you jump.
Luckily you're on the ground floor so you??? really didn't have to jump so dramatically. But the fact that you yeeted yourself into a bush JUST to escape has left Lucifer speechless.
Honestly? He so impressed with your dedication that he's not gonna stop you. Besides, he's gonna see you back at home anyway so-
Also thinks you might be hanging around Mammon too much because that 100% seems like a stunt he’d pull.
Mammon
GIVE GOLDIE BACK RIGHT NOW
He KNOWS Lucifer told you to bring the credit card to him, and he demands to know where it's hidden! He's positive you know where it is!
But you don't really though?? You just brought the card to him like you were asked. If anything, you're the victim here!
But Mammon isn't having that. The avatar of greed is circling around you like an angry cat, patting you all over like airport security to see if you've got his beloved card.
"Where is it, huh?! Ya really think you can steal from THE Mammon?! Even if Lucifer told ya to, who do ya think you are?!"
When he has confirmed that you don't in fact have his previous Goldie, he's now cornering you up against a wall.
If looks could kill, you would've exploded into a fine powder
And you feel like your mental strength is about to do just that. So what do you do after you notices the slightest of breezes caress your face?
You jump outta that open window, before Mammon can even finish his "Wh- Oi! What're ya-"
Even though you just face planted into the garden, you're up on your feet and making a mad dash for somewhere that wasn't here.
Mammon lets you run for ten while seconds before he's hopping out after you. You think you can outfox the Great Mammon?! Think again!!!
Levi
You... weren't interested in this movie in the slightest, but you didn't have the heart to tell Levi that. Especially not after he’d begged/harassed you for the past week about watching it with him!
Reluctantly you agreed, and now you were suffering,,,But Levi was ecstatic! This movie was a classic! Sure it was an old one and the acting was a little bad, but you could overlook that if you watched it with your heart, not your eyes!
According to Levi.
You managed to keep your eyes open for the grueling one and a half hour movie, enduring every corny line of bad acting, horrible CGI, and lame sound effects straight out of a 90s super hero movie, and now the hell was finally over...
Or so you though, until Levi followed that up by immediately pulling out a cosplay outfit worn by one of the supporting characters in the show.
Funny how it seemed specifically tailored to your measurements. Even funnier how Levi was looking at you with those damned eyes.
You knew what he wanted without him even having to say it. But one look at the gaudy outfit he presented to you made your heart burn with a sudden indescribable urge.... to escape.
Honestly you caught him so off guard by suddenly getting up and sprinting out of the room, that he makes a sound that's pretty much the noise equivalent of "?!?!?!?!?!?"
He watches you run down to the end of the hall, throw the window open, and fuckin JUMP. Pretty sure he just witnessed your death??
Also this kinda solidified his 'gross otaku' mentality, seeing as you literally jumped out of a window to get out of cosplaying with him. A simple no would've sufficed, MC.......,.,,..,,,
Hey gamers... can we get an F in the chat? 😔✌️💦
Satan
Satan lent you a book to read last week that he was sure you'd be interested in! He found it pretty interesting himself, so he wants to see if you'd like it as much as he did.
That being said, you don't have the heart to tell him that you,,, didn't read any of it. Well you kind of did, if the cover counts for anything.
You doubt he would accept that as an answer, considering how you told him how much you appreciated receiving the book, and how you'd definitely read it and let him know how it was.
So now, Satan had come into your room with two cups of tea, ready to settle down and have a nice, long talk about your thoughts on the riveting plot that you promised you would indulge in.
"I'm really glad you decided to read it. I found that the protagonist reminded me a lot like you. I'd like to know what you thought about it."
Satan sets down the tea cups, and one sip tells you that he brewed it exactly the way you like.
His expression is eager and warm as he waits for you to begin gushing about just how deeply the story touched you... how absolutely moved you are by the sheer majesty that was the book he lent you...
Okay yeah, you're sweating bullets. You can't imagine how the sparkly eyed avatar of wrath would react to learning that you chose the company of your D.D.D. over Satan's book.
You don't have such an ice cold hard that you can just crush this book nerds dreams like that! And every time you look at his expectant face, the weight of your crimes weigh heavier on you until... you break.
Satan watches in shock and awe as you almost perfectly reenact the big scene where the main character leaps out of the window of a building rigged to explode, before making their escape. And you did just that.
Wow.. he never thought you could be so moved by a story, but he completely understands...
Asmo
How many outfits, Asmo. HOW MANY OUTFTITS WILL IT TAKE TO APPEASE YOU?
He's made you model TWELVE outfits so far, and you swear if you see another ascot, you're gonna lose your mind.
Asmodeus doesn't seem to notice the way the light slowly fades from your eyes, because he's pulling out outfit number thirteen with that cheery smile of his.
"Isn't this one absolutely adorable? Look, this part will look lovely around your waist! This part here hugs your body in all the right places, and this-"
You can't do it. You've gotta get out of here. You'd love to stand around and get mild rug burn from trying on a billion different clothes, but-
Actually no you wouldn't.
You DID promise Asmo you'd hang out with him today, but this wasn't really your idea of a good time.
"-Oooh, just thinking about it makes me want to eat you up~! Here, put it on for me, will you? I'll give you a kiss as a reward!"
You would do no such thing.
You make a mad dash for his ornate window and push it open. He has no time to stop you as he helplessly watches you vault yourself out like the room was on fire.
"MC?! Wh-where are you going?? Come back here! Grass stains are impossible to get out of that fabric!!!"
Beel
He means well. I swear he does. It's just that Beel can be a little... overbearing when he's worried about you. He cares, okay?
But he hasn't seen you eat anything all day! You tell him it's because you've got a stomach ache from who knows what, and you promise you've had little snacks here and there to keep from starving, but he can't accept that!
Eating is important, and you need it to survive. So Beelzebub was currently trying to nudge your mouth open with a pizza slice, while you vehemently refused. "Just one bite. And then another after that. You have to eat, or you'll go hungry... and I don't want that."
Beel knows the true pain of being hungry, and he’d never wish that on you! So just forget about your stomach ache for two seconds and open up-
Not that you really can. The aroma of that pizza was not sitting well on your stomach, and you were pretty sure you needed a fast escape or you'd risk losing your lunch. Greasy foods didn't exactly mix well with sour stomachs...
Beel still won't let up. He has a strong hand planted firmly on the small of your back, as if trying to prevent you from leaning back any further in your attempt to escape the pizza.
"If you eat this, I'll treat you to dessert at Madam Screams," he says, as if bribing your refusal of food USING food will somehow work out.
You can't break his heart, but you seriously can't eat that! Your head is spinning, thoughts racing, face becoming greasier and greasier from the pizza pressed against it, and-
You snap. In a sudden burst of strength you break free from Beel's grasp, and sprint toward the nearest window. All you see is your chance for freedom, and you're taking it.
You leap out and tumble into the ground, all while Beelzebub wonders what?? Just happened???? Did you really hate pizza that much...?
He never knew you were such a picky eater... To think you'd go so far as to jump out of the window though...
Belphie
You thought it was cute at first, when Belphegor wanted you to join him for his naps. And you didn't mind much. It was the weekend, you were tired, and he makes a pretty good body pillow.
But you didn't realize he planned for this to become an everyday thing. The youngest might not act it, but he sure could be spoiled.
But seriously, if you slept any longer, you might never have a normal sleep schedule again! It never occurred to you just how often Belphie sleeps.
He's definitely not human, because there's no way you can keep up with that, and maintain a normal lifestyle.
But the way he quietly, gently grabs your sleeve to cue your next nap session makes your heart clench. Why was it so damned hard to say no to this gremlin??
You were trying your best though, but the words always seemed to get caught in your throat. Belphie picked apart your excuses, doing everything in his power to take you back to the attic.
"You can study when you wake up." "Mammon wants to go shopping? Reschedule." "Lucifer told you not to be late to the board meeting? Just hide."
You're starting to get sucked into the sleepy lull of his voice, and it feels like your entire body is becoming heavy with fatigue. But no.... you resist!
Since there's no escaping this through words, you have to think fast. Fortunately, your fast thinking has led to an amazing solution!
Jump out of the window, baby
Belphie is just??? Did you fuckin???? Are your legs okay??????????????
He probably stops asking you to nap with him for a while, since you're willing to almost break your legs just to get out of it. You're gonna make him have weird dreams....
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roobylavender · 2 years ago
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those posts that talk about how dick did x or y to help rehabilitate Jason are so funny to me bc like only bat canon dick would do that. as in the dick who was brought closer to emulating bruce to the point he has no identity anymore. I don’t think he would entertain Jason for a second once he knew what he was doing. He would sympathize with the Jason who died but he would refuse to treat the Jason who came back as a child given his kill count.
Why would you leave that in the tags! Your brain is fascinating! Please tell me more!
mostly it is a consequence of developing a bad rep among a certain batch of dick fans on my old account bc if i were to say that a lot of the toxic behaviors bruce has come to express in the past twenty years or so (aside from the physical abuse obv that should never be attributed to either of them in any situation) were actually more emblematic of dick originally then i would probably be mauled by the equivalent of internet bears. but unfortunately this is my truth
this is something i said on twt the other day but the reason to me that dick falls out with people like bruce or kory or donna is bc he puts them up on a pedestal. his attachment to them is a segue to reverence and admiration that is sort of the equivalent to him standing inside a glass house that can be shattered at literally any moment bc his expectations for the people in his life are honestly a bit ludicrous given the work they do and the environment they operate within. not to say that he's wrong when he gets angry with people like he has reasons to be skeptical of bruce's wish-washy morality at times or of kory's inclination to jump the gun or of donna's inability to prioritize efficiently. but the way he reacts is still volatile and caustic and esp after observing the way he reacted to kory's arranged marriage debacle i think it's absolutely a consequence of people failing to live up to the expectations that he has of them. he's so set in his morality and the way he defines his work bc of how it's literally all he has that it bleeds into every interaction and relationship. if he doesn't have the heroes in his life then he has nothing. if he can't rely on anyone that he expects to rely on then he has nothing. it's why i think he's so entrenched in the idea of teamwork and partnership. reciprocated trust and faith mean something to him and are as good as bonds born in blood and if you test those bonds or the rites behind them then it's like, you're testing your faith in him and everything he believes you're supposed to stand for together. and he takes that very personally
with jason what is interesting to me is that like. obv dick did not know him very well. i know the last laugh or whatever retconned it to where they used to go on vacations together but i personally ignore that bc i think it's a narrative cop out and i'm not particularly bothered by the fact that dick and jason weren't close. dick had no obligation to sub-parent someone who was ultimately bruce's responsibility, esp since dick was long gone from the coop before jason ever entered it. but in spite of that lack of physical connection there was nonetheless a symbolic one bc they were two people wearing the same colors, pursuing the same ideal, operating under the same rites of passage. which i think is what makes dick's reaction to jason's death make so much sense and his reaction to jason's resurrection and subsequent mission make so little sense. ofc dick would feel a deep kinship with the robin who died considering he was once in that position himself. ofc he would be baffled and angered by how bruce subsequently receded into himself and refused to open up to anyone and began making a martyr out of jason rather than trying harder to remember him as the son whom he adored and loved. it's about the principle bc for dick the principle is what defines the love. love is a contract and a promise and a partnership and there are things entailed by that that dick explicitly sees bruce fail to deliver on. so ofc he's angry on jason's behalf for however little he knew him
but that's not to say that the symbolic love dick has for jason remains unchanged when jason comes back. the principle of it remains and is subject to test. the shared sense of identity and ideals remains. but for however much dick would sympathize with the deceased jason for not being honored properly as bruce's son and partner i can't imagine him extending that same sympathy to the jason who goes on a self-righteous killing spree in the name of justice. it's a direct violation of the principle that he likely believed jason upheld when he was once living. it goes against everything dick would have stood for when he was fighting bruce on jason's behalf. obv jason was a child and dick would defend him to bruce bc of that too, but once again, ultimately, dick is someone utterly entrenched in heroism and using it to define his relationships and his life to the point that he cannot withstand the expectations of that heroism being broken. so i don't think dick would look at jason as the red hood and be the one to extend a helping hand. i don't think he would try to say that with his help jason can start over and be rehabilitated and blah blah blah. that is 100% bruce's line of thinking and has been since his character started actually being defined in the 70s. dick would be the guy looking at jason with utter disappointment and regret and bitterness bc he spent years defending jason in every which way only for jason to come back and spit on every symbolic thing that might have connected them to each other in another life. he would be the guy tasking himself with bringing jason down (non-lethally obv, bc he's still even more of a control freak about that than bruce is) while bruce was probably having breakdowns somewhere in the cave bc comparatively his way of coping with things devastating to him is to shut down, while dick's way of coping is to take charge and act
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bnhatrashsammy · 4 years ago
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You Think They’re Gonna Hit You
Includes: Izuku, Bakugou, Todoroki and my lovely Mina baby!
Warnings: ANGST but with a happy ending bc im baby, nothing too detailed though. Gender neutral reader <3
Mentions of abuse and cursing ofc (its me i always curse so like-)
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  You had been in an abusive situation/relationship prior to your current relationship. You had yet to tell your partner.
You two were simply playing around, something very common in your relationship.
You were in his dorm, both of you going back and forth between tickling each other.
Your eyes were closed as you blindly search for his sides, your breath coming out in shrieks and gasps between you laughing so hard.
One you feel your lovely boo move so they’re hovering above you, rather than beside you and tickling the shit out of you, you open your eyes as you try to catch your breath.
However, once you see their position your breath gets caught in your throat, and your entire body freezes up.
They weren’t even in a very threatening pose, their face held a bright and playful grin. Yet, all you could focus on was the hand positioned like it was going to slap you. 
  It was practically coming for you in slow motion, you thought for sure your lovely partner was getting ready to slap you.
  Without even thinking, you automatically flinch, hands coming up to protect your face, your body trembling in fear.
Izuku Midoriya
Izuku’s face changes from playful to concern very quickly, not that you can see from your tightly closed eyes and arms covering your face.
“Baby?” Izuku says softly, leaning back so he’s sitting cross-legged in front of your form. “(Y/N), baby, look at me please.” The utter concern and fear in his voice had you peaking your eyes open, looking between your fingers at the teary-eyed look he’s giving you.
Your body reacts before your mind really catches up to what the fuck just happened, and you sit up, crossing your legs as well and fiddle with your hands in your lap, looking anywhere but at Izuku’s gaze.
‘He’s gonna be so mad- he’s gonna yell and scream- I shouldn’t have reacted- if only I had just-’ Before you can even finish your rambling, terrifying thoughts, Izuku speaks up.
“D-did you think I was gonna hit you?” His voice comes out slowly and softly, but there’s not a hint of judgment. Only concern.
You slowly meet his gaze, continuing to fiddle with your hands. “N-not really you- It’s just what I’m used to so I just assumed-” You hurriedly try to explain before he speaks up again.
“Baby, you’re used to? How could you be used to- who did it? I’ll kill them, I swear!” Izuku leans forward slowly, as to not startle you anymore before pulling you to him, hugging you comfortingly, protectively. 
“You didn’t do anything wrong, (Y/N). I promise. If I had known I wouldn't have done it. I'm so sorry baby.” Izuku reassures you genuinely.
Izuku continues reassuring you, comforting you and caring for you softly as you tell him about your past. Obviously you couldn’t spill everything out all at once, there would be more of these conversations in the future. But it was honestly nice. To just be able to get it out in the open, to have him comfort you.
“I will never hurt you, (Y/N). Let me be your hero.” Izuku says after you had cried out all your tears and fell asleep on him. He places a gentle kiss on your forehead, before laying down with you and falling asleep himself.
Bakugou Katsuki
Bakugou freezes as the genuine fear he can clearly see on your trembling form. He’s quick to sit against his wall on the bed, pulling you into his lap as he comfortingly pets your hair.
You bury your head in the crook of his neck, a flurry of painful memories causing tears to build up in your tightly closed eyes as you grip onto Bakugou as if your life absolutely depended on it.
“I-i’m sorry- I didn’t mean too-” You try apologizing, but he’s quick to shush you, his voice gruff but gentle in his own Bakugou way.
“You didn’t do anything wrong, dumbass. Jus’ breathe.” Of course, Bakugou doesn’t blame you, but he also feels you thought he was going to hit you simply because of how angry he can be, he didn’t know of your past of abuse.
“I know i'm always angry and shit, but- fuck-,” His voice breaks, and he holds you the slightest bit tighter, more protectively. “I’d n-never hit you, (Y/N).” He tries to keep his voice steady but it breaks again as tears well up in his eyes. “I love you so much, I’d never do anything to hurt you, okay, baby? I swear it- fuck.” 
You continue to grip onto him desperately, opening your mouth to speak even though you know your voice is gonna be hoarse from your crying, “I k-know you would’t- it just made me think about when it did happen and I-I just reacted. I k-know you’d never, Katsu- I’m s-”
“No. Don’t be sorry. Just talk to me. Please?” He says sternly, but giving you the option object, to just stay within his arms protectively.
So you tell him some of the things you had to endure. He drops the name ‘dumbass’, giving you soft nicknames and encouragement to continue when you started crying too much to continue talking.
Aside from his encouragements, and hushing of your apologies, he just let’s you speak what's on your mind. It’s freeing, and honestly you feel a lot better when it’s over.
“Thank you, Katsu. I love you. So very much.” You whisper tiredly as you finish your hours long conversation. Bakugou shakes his head as he continues rocking you comfortingly.
“I'm here for you through whatever, babe. And I plan to keep it that fuckin’ way.” He says, the determination in his voice caused a small smile on your face.
You eventually fall asleep, Bakugou humming gently as he continues rocking you comfortingly. Honestly, you couldn’t be happier in that moment, with the love of your life caring for you with no restraints.
Todoroki Shoto
  Todoroki’s face instantly drops as he watches your reaction. He knows that reaction. He’s had that reaction too many times to count. 
He lays beside you, cuddling into your side, rubbing circles over your sides in a comforting manor as your breathing eventually returns to normal. 
“I’m sorry, (Y/N).” His voice sounds so remorseful, so genuinely hurt.
“It's not you- It’s just muscle memory- I know you’d never actually do anything to hurt me Sho.” Your voice comes out quickly, you turn over to hide into his chest as he rests his head against yours. He moves his hand so it’s rubbing your back soothingly.
“Talk to me?” Todoroki asks, and it makes your heart swell. He’s not the most emotional person, you loved him regardless of that fact obviously, but the fact that he’s offering to listen without you bringing it up first makes you a bit happier.
So you talk, telling him about different situations throughout your life that inevitably lead to the muscle memory reaction. Todoroki didn’t talk, preferring to just listen. He’d switch between rubbing your back, or running his hands through your hair, occasionally kissing along your hairline or kissing your cheeks softly as you vented.
Once you finish talking, genuinely too mentally and physically exhausted to continue, Todoroki speaks up.
“None of that was your fault. Those people- they were at fault. You had never done anything wrong, (Y/N). Thank you for telling me. Thank you for trusting me enough to talk about this. You’re so strong and brave. I'm so proud to call you mine. I love you, (Y/N). Thank you for allowing me to help.” He ends his mini speech by placing a gentle kiss on your lips.
You smile at him tiredly, before pulling the blanket from the end of the bed bed and covering you both with it. You snuggle into his chest, leaning your head up to place a kiss on his jaw, before allowing sleep to take you.
Mina Ashido
Mina pauses at your reaction, confusion taking over her features before the realization slowly comes to her.
“Babycakes, no, i’d never-” She says quickly, jumping to straddle your lap, wrapping her arms around you reassuringly as your thoughts turn dark.
“It’s okay, cupcake, I’m here for you, jus breath, I've got you.” She reassures as your wrap your arms around her, cries slowly leaving your throat while she nuzzles the crook of your neck.
Before you can even open your mouth in an attempt to apologize she starts talking, “Don't you dare apologize. It’s not your fault, love.”
You can’t help the chuckle that interrupts your sobs, she knows you through and through.
“You want to talk about it, babycakes? I’ll listen. Let me be here for you please,” She pleads, just wanting to calm your painful sobs, just wanting to put a smile back on your perfect face. Her own eyes start to tear up, and she sniffles quietly.
You hug her a bit tighter, nodding your head. Once your tears calm down a bit, you tell her. You relay some of the events of the past that have scarred you to this day.
And with everything you say Mina continues to reassure you, kissing all over your face and hair. She continues holding you, not letting up for even a second. It means the world to you, just the fact that she’s being serious about it for you. She’s genuinely trying for you, and it makes a small smile light up your face as you finish retelling your past.
“There’s that gorgeous smile I love to see!” She says, a bright grin lighting up her face which just causes you to smile more.
“What would I do without you, Mina.” You say lovingly, as she wipes your eyes for hopefully the last time of the night.
Her smile turns loving as she gives you a small, gentle kiss.
“Let’s not find out, babycakes. You’re just gonna have to be stuck with me.”
Well, you couldn’t complain with her on that note.
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fridjitzu · 3 years ago
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Have you any hcs how BobbyRaz friendship could develop past Pn2? Because I would love to hear any you got.
Personally I like the idea of older Bobby getting into the intern program and just instinctively believing that Raz still holds grudges against him for his bullying at Camp whispering rock , which he since feels shitty for, and that Raz also feels superior towards him because he was the kid genius at camp and got into the Psychonauts so early.
Meanwhile Raz, who only two days after pn had way more serious shit to deal with than some bully at camp doesn't only not hold a grudge against him because of that but also is like " Yeah Bobby used to be a shithead and he still kind of is, but now he is the GOOD kind of shithead that's just snarky and affectionately insults you all the time. Dions like that too, that's normal guys bonding right? Me ragging back at him can in no way be read as not being meant in a friendly banter kind of way right?"
Just....VERY into the idea that Bobby still thinks that Raz hates him and feels conflicted and in the meantime Raz doesn't even realize that Bobby still thinks they HAVE beef.
In my au, in which Bobby ends up going to live at the motherlobe with Loboto, Raz ends up his "get this slacker up to a full intern grade" tutor after Norma's attempt at it ends poorly (Their personalities just fuckin clash too much for that dynamic; plus Norma made some snide comments about how Bobby should be sent to live with his mom instead (which isn't actually an option, and also all Bobby knows about her is that she was abusive*. She wouldn't have brought the mom into it if she'd known that was the case, she's just leery of the idea of the son of a notorious psychic criminal being allowed to wander HQ.)
Bobby goes into it expecting the whole thing to be actual torture - a former bullying target in a position of power over him who ALSO very much knows what his dad's like? Big Oof - but the most unpleasant it gets is that Raz asks him "So... are your teeth Like That because of your dad?", to which Bobby awkwardly has to reply that, uh, actually it's the other way around, his teeth made his dad even worse than he used to be. They talk a bit about loboto after that, and while Raz doesn't mention what he saw in Loboto's memory vault, he does bring up that it's pretty impressive how Bobby managed to clear up even a little of the hypnotic conditioning in Loboto's mind Gristol did (which Bobby doesn't see as a big deal, bc Loboto generally tends to cooperate with Bobby as much as he can when it comes to that sorta thing.)
After that, raz reveals that he's brought some required class reading - a stack of True Psychic Tales magazines, because a) that's how he got started learning stuff, and b) raz knows a fellow neurodivergent when he sees one, and figures that comics would be the easiest way for an ADHD-ass 12 year old who wrote "yeah right" under the Favorite Books section on campster to learn stuff. Bobby, not quite realising he's being tricked into learning, is more than okay with this.
The actual bro bonding occurs during the practical part of studying, though - Raz kinda leans into the rivalry thing a bit to make it more engaging, and the fact raz isn't pulling the "hey I'm your teacher you aren't allowed to snark at me" card definitely helps.
I'm sure the whole "so why are you not holding a grudge against me" thing comes up, and Raz's response is basically just "you failed at bullying me for two days and then I got my dream job, why don't YOU have a grudge tbh"
And Bobby is like "Ffs Goggletron, you got that compass back onto my dad's brain ship, I've been looking for that thing basically ever since I worked out how to get in there, and I don't think you even realise how much of a big deal that is. I've been waiting for you to rub it in for days and you just... haven't? Idk how to even react to that, what happened to thinking you're better than me" (Bobby, I think that's just you projecting your insecurities lol)
There's sort of a thing going on where the two of them have been under a lot of personal stress in the past week (Raz with the Maligula thing, Bobby with loboto pulling the whole world domination plot with Oleander AND the whole thing with Truman the moment bobby went away to camp where he couldn't watch out for him), and it's just nice for both of them at this point to be able to have some low-stakes snarky rival banter and do psychic powers practice out in the quarry (as well as Climbing To Ridiculous Places practice. Bobby isn't a trained acrobat but he's quite good at parkouring about like a flailing raccoon or squirrel) after all that mess. I think that's pretty instrumental in how quickly they actually end up as friends in the au.
(Also, Bobby fuckin hates Dion when they first encounter each other, because Bobby is like "he's being unfairly mean to raz and it reminds me of when I was unfairly mean to raz and I DON'T LIKE IT". It's a miracle they didn't get into a fistfight in the parking lot of the Lumberstack Diner right then and there.)
*although that's just what Loboto told him. The truth is, she didn't... actually exist? But idk how much I wanna spoil wrt that in this particular answer. :P
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c-is-for-circinate · 4 years ago
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So as close as I am to fully escaping Hades for the first time, I figure I might take this opportunity to write down a couple of things I'm scared of from this ending. The story is so good so far! But I have seen good stories before! And there are patterns, right, patterns it's so easy for even good stories to fall into, so yeah, I have fears, and they mostly come down to Hades himself.
(Yep, this one got long again! People seem to be enjoying my game-reaction rambles, so, for your enjoyment under the cut: themes of separation and reunion, predictions for what Zagreus is the god of, and a whole lot of discussion of familial abuse dynamics, how they're depicted in fiction, and the work it takes to change them in real life. Stay warned! Stay safe!)
(ALSO, I still haven't made it past the first couple of chambers in the Temple of Styx, so no spoilers in the reblogs/comments please! Yes, even though the whole post is me going on about predictions and hopes and concerns about the path the story might take. I WILL GET THERE SOON.)
It has been really interesting watching some of the stuff the game is doing with themes of parting and reunion, and how that corresponds to life and death. So many of our social links are about reuniting estranged loved ones: Chaos and Nyx, Eurydice and Orpheus, Patroclus and Achilles. Hades is estranged from Olympus, Persephone left. And every time we leave, or try to leave, it is both an attempt at a parting (and Meg and Than are so hurt by that goodbye, or lack thereof) and an attempt at a reunion with our mother. Every time we die it's a reunion, every time we die it's fun, it's great, we get to go back home and check in with all of our friends and be impressed by whoever made Employee Of The [Timeperiod] and sell fish to the cook and put down yet more rugs. (My Zagreus has something of a rug addiction. What can you do.)
It's at the point where I feel pretty secure in stating that Zagreus is going to discover eventually that he is both life/death/rebirth god, and god of partings and reunions. Both halves of both of those things. People leave each other when they die and re-find their loved ones in death; you go away from one group of people to come back to another; you have to depart to return, and I really think that's where we're going to end up with Zagreus. He's going to reunite his various friends with their loved ones, he's probably going to restore communications between Hades and Olympus and even Persephone, he's going to reunite with his mom, and he's going to come back to the Underworld before he leaves to see everyone up top all over again. And of course the vehicle for all of this coming and going is death, because death is the ultimate departure and reuniter. (This is absolutely a religious concept containing a whole bunch of "oh hey our culture has a lot of Christian influence, doesn't it", Greek trappings aside, but that's fine, it's a game made in 2018 not 300 BC, these things happen. They keep calling the Underworld 'hell' and 'infernal'. It's all good.) Of course he's a cthonic god. Of course he bleeds, because you have to bleed in order to die, and Zagreus has to die again and again and again. That's his whole thing.
Thing is, though, looking at those themes, I am also continually aware of the fact that some partings are for a really good reason. Some partings should not end in reunion.
Yes, of course this is about Hades the abusive dad. I have been talking about Hades the abusive dad basically non-stop since I started playing this game, where did you think this post was going.
There are a few things I'm nervous about, separate but related, and at the core it all comes down to, I'm not okay with it if we learn why Hades got to be this way, and Zagreus forgives him as we-the-audience are meant to do, and Hades promises to do better, and nothing concrete about the situation is forced to change. Actual, meaningful, practical, logistical, non-hypothetical non-metaphorical change, not just for Zagreus but for Hades himself.
Because I know how this story tends to go, in fiction. Fictional abusive parents (especially in fantasy/sci-fi stories) tend to come in two types: 'coerced their offspring into actual murder with a side of physical abuse and optional unethical lab experimentation', or 'this was here to create character conflict, we didn't mean for it to read as actually abusive, this parent just has flaws to make them a good character, we swear!' Hades isn't the first type--we have never once seen Hades strike his son, or anybody, or even come out from behind his desk--which means that the fear is, always, always, in every piece of fiction, that he's the second. That the writers are going to decide that the right response to his abuses is remorse, forgiveness, and one really good conversation. That they don't realize it's abuse in the first place.
And, like. They have to know, right? They have to. They can't have done this by accident. (Sometimes, writers get so close by accident.) They can't have done so well at drawing out this situation simply by going, 'well, people are meant to fear this god, so they'd probably react like this, and I guess based on what I've seen in other stories or vague acquaintances they'd then do this,' and never put the name on the situation. Every single time we leave to the tune of a Hades word-flash, he's being dismissive, insulting, and sometimes downright cruel. He is cruel. They have to know!!!
But oh boy have I been consuming media for a lot of years, and oh boy have I run into a lot of writers who don't know.
Reconciliation is such a loaded word, but stories about dysfunctional families really do love it. Stories based around themes of reunion are primed for it. And of course, it's nice, it ties a happy ending off with a sweet little bow, everyone gets to be with the people they love and the family is safe and nobody gets hurt, but so rarely have I seen stories that show the actual work required to rebuild those relationships in a realistic or meaningful way. So rarely do stories trying to build that happy ending actually let the victim of abuse set and maintain boundaries. The character never gets to actually just cut the damn ties to the thing that hurt them. The character so rarely even gets to be safe.
And it's so hard in this game specifically, because "THERE IS NO ESCAPE", because every single thing about this game says that the story's not over when Zagreus gets to the surface, that no matter what he's going to have to come back. It's so hard, because this is a game about reunions. I am not going to get an ending where the abused kid trying to flee his toxic home and abusive dad actually gets to leave and stay gone, not in this one. And that hurts (I have watched and supported and done my best to help multiple real-life friends get the fuck out of homes like that, and stay gone, I have seen how hard it is, how complicated, how awful, and there are never stories for that), but I can live with it, if I get an ending where Zagreus is at least safe. Where things change. Where they really change.
Which is why I need actual, concrete, material changes in the logistics and power structure of the Underworld for this ending to be okay. Understanding why Hades is Like That doesn't cut it. Remorse doesn't cut it! Because look, even if Hades wants to do better, even if he admits he's at fault and tries to be better, he is still set up in a position as an all-powerful tyrant, and trying to become a better person is hard. There is nobody around who can keep him in check when he starts backsliding, which he will. Even if he doesn't want to, he will.
Because people are people, and it's really difficult to break patterns! Especially if everything around them stays the same. Hades is going to slip at some point, be cruel, be callous, be tyrannical, no matter how much of an effort he's making. Not to mention, it is STRESSFUL to face your own crimes and improve, it sucks, it feels bad. And what do habitual abusers do when they feel bad? What's the only coping mechanism Hades appears to have established for dealing with his own shit? That's right, it's inflicting suffering on everyone else around him. (This is why it doesn't really matter what circumstances drove Hades to act this way, why it can't matter--I believe that he is suffering, but he copes with that suffering by inflicting additional suffering on everyone around him, everyone who relies on him, and that's still true no matter what made him feel bad to begin with.) So then we just get a great old guilt-->lashing out-->more guilt-->more lashing out merry-go-round of abuse even as Hades is trying to change. That's how these things work. And yes, change is possible, improvement is absolutely possible, but the environment needs to change first. The system that enables and rewards Hades for acting this way can't stay in place. Things need to actually change, with people who are around to support Hades in his growth and also check his power, people who have power of their own to stop him. And however it happens, for this story with this protagonist with these goals to feel like a happy ending, Zagreus needs to be safe.
It would be okay, though a little disappointing, if those changes were mostly based in magic and fate and, idk, divine mind-control. (This story has been so grounded in actual human dynamics that a fantastical solution to a realistic problem would feel like a letdown, but if it actually solved the problem I'd be okay with it, more or less.) It would be okay, though a little disappointing, if the responsibility for bringing Hades to heel fell upon Zagreus and Persephone, if the two family members who he hurt badly enough that they felt the need to run away from him entirely now had to shoulder the burden of helping him fix himself. (There are definitely ways to write that dynamic better and ways to write it worse, and I think I trust these writers to land on the 'better' side of the scale, but I still don't love the implications.) I think I'd be pretty into it if Hades took a vacation off to Olympus to Work Out His Shit with his own family, while a coalition of Meg, Nyx, Thanatos, Zagreus, and Queen Persephone took over running the Underworld in his absence. I think we might end up getting some combination of those things. I'm hopeful. I think these writers might know what they've written. I think they might have a sense for what it'll take to fix.
But yeah, I'm nervous. (Nervous enough that I might switch to God Mode just to get through, combat has started getting really tedious instead of fun, I want to know what happens next, and this is a game and there is no shame in making it more fun for myself by making the boring parts a little quicker and easier.) I've seen so many stories go wrong. This one has done so much to earn my trust. We'll see if it breaks.
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paleangels13 · 3 years ago
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❤️‍🔥 🌈 😅
Hey, thank you 🥰
❤️‍🔥 Favorite ship you have written about?
Ohh, ehh...all of them :D No, while I love writing all of them I think judging from the amounts of fics I've written about them it's Aleksi/Joonas (or Aleksi/Robin) if we're talking about BC 🤔
Outside of bc: I think Farin Urlaub/Bela B from the German band “Die Ärzte” (eng.: the doctors :))
🌈 Your favorite tropes to write about?
I'm terrible at this because I never know what counts as a trope. I kinda answered this one in a totally unrelated post here (last question) ^^
I do find myself writing quite a bit of hurt or hurt/comfort if I'm honest 🤔 I kinda stumble back into “(oblivious) idiots in love” a lot (Roleksi are perfect for that 😌😌 (in case you didn't know that's Robin and Aleksi's totally official shipping name)).
Friends to lovers or friends with benefits happens in most of my prompts quite often so I think that as well 🥰
Not so much for my fic writing (so far at least) but in general for my writing that is extremely similar to fic writing I do like a bit of "found family" 🥺🤲🏻
Oh and that's probably not really a trope but everything with "person A has a super shitty past (abuse,...)" and much later person B finds out about it because it gets in the way of them getting together, of A really trusting B,... 😅🤔
😅 Was there a fic/chapter that you were nervous about posting? Why?
Yes. YES!! I think I've mentioned that already but I almost chickened out of posting “You're as cold as ice” I was so scared of uploading it because it's dark, and needed a warning which I didn't plan on ever writing an actual fic about because I wasn't sure if I'd be able to phrase it in a way that really brought across how the...victim (Joonas in this case) felt. And I really didn't know how people would react to it? But I got super positive feedback (literally some of my favorite comments I've ever received are on that fic!) which was a huge relief and made me super happy to see 🥺🥺🥰
Think this also somewhat applies to the second part of that series with “Nothing but a bad dream” even if it's a lot less dark but it was just out of my usual comfort zone with the whole setting and all (and I wasn't sure if adding a second part to that would be a good idea (she said having the third part fully planned out 🙃))
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foxymoxynoona · 3 years ago
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Kay I didn't clarify but in the light of your recent post here, I feel like I should.
I'm mad at Isabella because of how she treated Jungkook, not necessarily bc she stopped her orgasm (which, yes, i guess is weird to me, but I won't pretend like I can ever empathize with her fully bc i haven't gone through anything like what she has, so yeah.)
But the way her mind works ?? How in the world can one take someone's words (someone who's tried their best to be nothing but canring and understanding for quite a while now) and twist them so much in their head that they sound so negative when they're actually the opposite...
And asking him to leave the room??? Treating the bj situation like it was a joB he expected her to do or smth?? I know i'm paraphrasing but it legit felt like, 'Okay you came, i did my part, why do you bother me now?' - that's just rude imo. Dismissing his efforts and feelings like that.. He's actually TRYING way more than before to TALK to her and understand her and she just.. ???
She just projected the anger she felt toward her own insecurities on him. And that's not fair.
Yeah, that's why I'm mad.
-👀(currently feeling more like: 😑)
I'm glad you said more! I think it's totally worth talking about JK's experience in this, sure! I am actually really happy for you if your mind has never done the mental gymnastics to make something neutral or positive into a negative, I mean that sincerely! I think it's a pretty common trauma response, because you get used to everything being a threat even if it sounds nice --remember she's had two shitty abusive exes by this point, who I'm sure smiled plenty as they said things she took at face value only to be very wrong.
I also don't know about you, but I'm not usually at my best to talk about painful or unsettling emotions when I'm already overwhelmed. I can see why you would find it off-putting she asked him to leave the room, but I think that one's a different in how people process emotion. Some people want someone close for comfort, others want to be able to retreat.
Is is specifically when she accused him of bullying her that you're talking about? Because she said that right after she admitted something that made her feel very vulnerable "You got me really close really fast and it kind of freaked me out because I’m not used to that. I told you the truth, I don’t orgasm a lot." You'll see this pattern a lot with her. A beautiful but tragic part of Isabella's journey right now is that she does still want that connection, she's still clinging to the hope that things with JK can be different than anything she's had in the past. But as soon as she takes a step in that direction, experience tries to push her down again, and she reacts.
As for the blowjob, you bet she saw that as transactional! Multiple times in this story she has offered bjs as thank yous, and here she kind of offered it as an apology for disrupting sex. And she hoped that would satisfy him and be the end of it. It's probably not the first time she's tried to settle perceived upset/anger with sex. Instead of "why are you still bothering me?" (which honestly I just don't see), try thinking of it as "what else do you want from me?" It's a nuanced response, because it could sound exasperated but also sad. She let him cum, she did the thing, didn't she? Men just want to cum? Isn't he happy with her now? These are the rules she learned sex by.
Also, just to equalize a little, JK did snap at her a couple times here. He also pushed her to talk about multiple things after she'd asked him not to push those things right now. She is within her right to say she doesn't want to talk about something traumatic right now and ask him to drop it and they can talk about it later. We know his intentions are good, and totally valid to say maybe they shouldn't have had sex until they had more communication and trust in place! He's in solver mentality, but this isn't something JK can "solve," though creating a loving and secure and safe space for her will definitely help her.
"She just projected the anger she felt toward her own insecurities on him. And that's not fair." This is a good note too, and also a very relatable one for most of us, and believe it or not, as long as it doesn't become habit and take over, it's a sign of growth. Do you know why kids behave more terribly for their moms than anyone? Because it's the first relationship they feel safe to push boundaries and act out in, because they feel that the love is unconditional. If you read the things she says in this chapter through the lens of "there is no one in Isabella's life who has ever truly been there for her except her late father", it gets really sad, really fast. But she is saying actually a lot to JK about her fears and insecurities here. She's setting boundaries and hoping he'll actually respect them. We definitely aren't to a healthy, happy place, but there's a lot of development here beneath the surface! And, just as importantly, JK has learned to recognize her defensive outbursts for what they are. So he doesn't see a woman being cruel to him, he sees a scared child having a tantrum (forgive the analogy of a toddler, but I hope you understand what I mean.) It's not something you want to be a permanent habit, but him not letting that "end his love" immediately... that's starting to look like unconditional love to Isabella.
OK OK this was long sorry! Feel free to send me further thoughts! <3
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yungstallyns · 4 years ago
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Honestly I’m having a cosmic stroke seeing people react to Dabi (when we haven’t even been able to see this arc reach it’s fruition!) and pulling out batshit takes like “oh y’all are excusing everything he’s done and bad Dabi bad Dabi bad Dabi you’re bad if you support Dabi” it’s honestly a little disturbing bc like I’ve said before I refuse to COMPLETELY judge how someone views real life based on one fictional character debate but. I’ve also seen a Lot of people say some really insensitive and Bad shit about how they talk about abuse and abuse survivors and mentally ill people and hmm. just don’t like that. as a survivor I have actually...felt a lot of these trauma induced thoughts! intrusive thoughts involving violence and hate! not to project on Dabi but I feel like there’s zero empathy for Dabi and what he’s gone through except from readers who are also abuse victims, but we’re forced to tack on endless disclaimers abt how murder isn’t ok to even talk about him. not a great look for people imho. plus a lot of translation meta is going around about how the villains are being portrayed as more cold and evil than they actually are, and how a lot of nuance is being removed, and hmmm just don’t like how people are willing to immediately jump the gun on things like that to try and hype up how evil a character is. dabi may be responsible for his actions yes but I feel like a ton of people are ignoring how endeavor is also responsible for being so horrifically abusive he drove multiple members of the family he basically bought into mental instability. — silver jackdaw
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Honestly- I find it so surprising people are so quick to judge Dabi when we actually dont know much about him. Dabi as Touya was mentioned a handful of times, and we have gotten about 2 flashbacks of him. We genuinely know barely anything about his home life especially leading up to him faking his death, and the several years after. 
Yeah i also dont want to completely judge someone views in real life based on fictional character debates but alot of peoples take to me come off extremely insensitive and rude to abuse victims and mentally ill people. There is no thought put into those posts about how they might affect these real life people and its very sad imo. The lack of empathy for Dabi honestly disturbs me too i see alot of people saying hes not a relatable character or easy to empathize with and i dont see that. I see Dabi, he is a mentally unstable quirk disabled man and abuse survivor, everything he does- every choice hes making is influenced by his mental instability which is in direct relation to endeavor abusing him. The idea that Dabi just decided to be evil and made the choice to never get help rubs me the wrong way, especially when its mentioned the LOV are a group of rejects of society and i cant imagine it was so easy for Dabi to find help or have any faith at that point (After faking his death to get away) in anyone’s help.
I genuinely hate that fact people need a disclaimer of “I dont condone murder” if you so much as say one thing about dabi, and if you dont put it there people take it as invitation to judge your morals and call you murder apologists and sexually harass you in your inbox or notes. Its honestly disgusting people see metas about Dabi and his abuse/ mental state/ character as a whole by people who clearly sympathize and/or empathize with him (esp those who are abuse survivors and/or mentally ill) and immediately get harassed and unrelated comments about how “Dabi is still evil”. Like there really is never a reason for it and im sure everyone who has talked about dabi with out a disclaimer or in a positive way has had to deal with these past weeks as chapters come out will agree on that.
As for the nuance being lost in translations i really do believe that based on the comparison of Viz translations and the innitial translation on the chpaters when they first come out. Alot of the translations that go around before the Viz ones come out feel more emotional and feel like they have more weight to them where the official ones do come off harsher and leave me feeling somewhat unsatisfied more than anything. SO i wouldn't be surprised if the Viz translations made antagonists seem more evil and apathetic than they should be
And ofc my disclaimer lol-  youre absolutely right, Dabi  responsible for his actions BUT the willful ignorance of Endeavor having a direct hand in why Dabi is this way is ridiculous- its laughable really. There is no denying that Endeavor and his abuse is the direct reason for Dabi’s mental instability that effects all of his choices, Dabis choices are his own but dont be mistaken and believe Endeavor is somehow completely innocent bc of that, bc he’s not. 
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honestly i think i have a weird anger or cultural confusion where other gay and trans ppl are like much happier and comfortable to come out and shit and be open, but I've always had an extremely complicated relationship with it because it's always made me feel so isolated and lonely, even with other gay ppl around. and younger ppl especially will like go around coming out so frequently and meanwhile if I'm going to even tell you that I'm attracted to women I have to trust you 110% and that isn't something that comes easy.
I'm terrified of like. Wearing even rainbow goddamn socks because I'm scared shitless of getting bullied, or harassed, or even assaulted. Which is ironic considering I try to be quite fashionable in public but with being openly bi (let alone being openly TRANS) it's a complete no-no.
Like I think as much as I love being bi and nb at the same time I still despise it, I still think it's ruined my life. I have gender dysphoria about my chest whereas if I was cis I would be so happy with how feminine my body is. My first ever relationship with another girl at the moment being cut short by abusive homophobia fucked me up in innumerous ways, leading me to like...severe issues with the way i feel about sex and emotional attachment and touch.
And ofc there's the homophobia, like at this moment I'm probably leaning towards getting a fuckbuddy or smth over tinder but like a romantic relationship with another person is terrifying, like I'm insanely private w relationships even w men, I won't let us hold hands if I think too many people might see bc i have this stupid complex
There's more and more but my relationship with being Out is one where it's something that I simultaneously desire and despise, being Out is one of the most terrifying concepts I can think of and to me having someone refer to me as "they" and not as a woman is simply not as important as being safe, as not living in even more fear of assault.
And then all around me ppl my age (although usually younger) are all coming out to anyone and everyone like it's just casual, saying their pronouns like it's nothing. And first it's disbelief and shock because holy fuck, has everyone gone fucking mad?? Are we all so fucking stupid that we just forget the everloving fear homophobia strikes into you?? And then it's the jealousy, that these people have this comfortable relationship with their own gay/transness and enough trust to actually open up and tell a room full of strangers "please call me they not she". It's disappointment and anger in myself that almost 7 years after forcing myself to whisper "I'm bisexual" to the bathroom mirror in the middle of the night and then cry my eyes out because it felt like I'd been cursed, and probably over a decade since I'd started having sexual feelings about all genders, and an entire lifetime of having feelings for men women and others, after so long I'm still just a coward who sits and hates it all, who fears it all.
But then recently I've come to the realisation that the way I realised I was gay was a way that's kind of...dying out. That being the mostly offline way.
Don't take this the wrong way but I've found a lot of people go online and find this overwhelming amount of support and representation for gay and trans identity. You can argue validly this statement, but the context I use this in is comparing it to like. 2013. People were way less online. Being an online celebrity was a novelty.
At school there were dyke, faggot, tranny, etc, thrown around as if they were confetti. Jokes about "lesbos" and "lesbihonest" humiliated any girl who was too close to another girl. I grew up not just in Brisbane Queensland but in a town that was connected to the mainland only by two bridges - a landbridge and a humanmade bridge. The school was overwhelmingly anglo. Overwhelmingly right wing.
I realised I was bi with minimal help from Tumblr. I realised I was bi because I fell, hard, for my best friend. And then she liked me back, and our relationship was amazing. But the school found out. We held hands under the table, we found a quiet moment to kiss and everyone pointed and stared. We made out in the shadow of a building and turned to find twenty people watching gawkeyed, pointing, fascinated.
The entire time her mum was abusive, and massively homophobic. She blamed me for turning her daughter gay. She forced us multiple times to break up at the threat of violence. Eventually we did. We never talked about it. Our friendship never returned like it used to. It was awkward, tinged with sadness, regret, yearning and young love cut short.
It was traumatic, to say the least.
Tumblr in 2014, despite the cringe screenshots, wasn't actually mostly about LGBT positivity or whatever. I first saw the term bisexual on, if you can believe me, a quotev story in 2011 about a cheerleader and an emo girl who get together in a secret relationship. You were either gay or straight, or you had an exception. Bisexual felt right, though, for me, felt accurate, was accurate.
It was years of confusion and secrecy and guilt, peeks at other girls in the changing room that I couldn't help and I didn't understand why. Then it was months and months of anger and frustration at myself that I was feeling this way and confused about myself, and then when I said those words it felt like I was being torn apart. It felt like my life had fallen apart. I cried every goddamn night, I felt awful all the time.
At school the kids noticed. They noticed before I started dating my friend, they noticed the way I looked at her and they interrogated me about it. I'd claim up and down I had a crush on another boy - true perhaps, but it was a passing interest - and then they said they told him and analysed how I reacted. And then the interrogations continued for months because the gay girl was entertainment for them. Around me, as I walked between classes, had lunch, walked home, dyke dyke dyke faggot hahaha.
And then the relationship happened and then leelah alcorn happened and I learned what a trans person is. And sometime when I was fifteen I saw nonbinary begin to pop up, terms like genderfluid and nonbinary and they rang true like bisexual did, but the last time I went down a rabbit hole like that it ended in trauma, and another person got hurt. I didn't throw homophobia at her, but I felt and still feel responsible for it. I didn't turn her gay, but I made it obvious. I don't quite know how to say it.
I knew I was nonbinary, deep down. One day I decided to add that to my tumblr bio. Nobody gave a shit, just like nobody gave a shit when I said I was bi. But that was because I wasn't open about it even online. I couldn't talk about that stuff or I'd curse myself.
Time went on, I got more comfortable, collected fresh new traumas. My brother came out as trans. Around me, friends came out as gay and trans. But they kept coming out. They didn't stop at close friends and trusted family, they told teachers, their entire class. I didn't understand. Why the fuck would you put yourself at risk like that?? And I still don't. I said it was jealousy and anger at myself before, and maybe it is still a little bit, but now, it's just concern.
As I said, the way I realised I was gay is the rather old fashioned way - offline, through trauma, and almost entirely unenjoyable and traumatic. A lot of kids still go through that for sure. But the ones I see telling everyone over that they're gay or trans are, in my experience, not those ones. As the internet began to become more of a general use thing and less of a "only recluse weirdos" space, the online LGBT safe space began to expand into an audience bigger than before. Online, you were safe. Nobody knew your name, you were behind a screen. Homophobia was veiled, you could just delete a hateful anon, could just log off. You could put up your pronouns and people would use them because, well, ppl didn't really have any other identifier someone might use for your gender. So this positive uplifting atmosphere spawned for the most part. And instead of learning through confusion and rare chance encounters with random words and crying into the sink every night that you're gay, you much easier come across this content that tells you indepth what this is and that it's okay. And you think, well wow, that's me, and then...you know, I guess. Not denying there's some of the classic self hatred etc but...you have this safe space online to fall back on, and I cannot emphasise how much that has pushed the acceptance and widespread knowledge of lgbt people in the past 5 years. I didn't exactly have that space, and my realisation was through mostly real life channels, which were swamped at all sides by homophobia, at worst, abusive, at kindest, it would treat you like a sideshow attraction.
Being someone who arguably isn't old enough to brush this difference away with being an "older gay" but still having had a gay experience quite different to the majority in my generation (applying this to area as well) I have to say I'm confronted with this comfortableness other days have a lot and it's always jarring. I think also that while it's important and I'm happy that "younger" gays and transes have at least one good support network/space to fall back onto online, I do think it creates this kind of...dangerous other side, especially for those who go to schools that are LGBT positive and have families who are also friendly to that sort of stuff. I find that young gay teens are totally unprepared and unhardened for the fact that most people you run into in real life despise your guts for existing as who you are. And while we can make as many soppy gay narratives as possible about being honest about who you are and losing shame, we need to face the fact and teach young lgbt kids that being Out isn't just something you do as a ritual in being gay or trans, it's a brave thing and it's completely optional. And furthermore, most importantly, it's insanely dangerous.
I don't think that teenage, raw fear of the consequences of even the very concept of being Out has ever left me. Perhaps I have to thank the homophobic 14 yr olds who swamped me in slurs and trauma, because it's given me a survival sense that's kept me closeted so far you'd never get in.
But occasionally I'm tempted, particularly with my transness which I am only out to perhaps 3 people about, to venture into the world of telling people about yourself. I started a new uni semester and in a tutorial, the teacher handed out cards. We were to use it as a placard to write our names on it so the teacher would learn our names over the next few classes. And, if we chose...our pronouns.
I stared at that card for what felt like a million years. This has always been an ordeal. People don't know how to pronounce my name, even though it's a rather simple one. But pronouns? I'd never really told anyone those. Online, yes, and once when I was asked by a friend i was brave enough to say "any will do" but this - this wasn't the curated safe online space, this wasn't a one-time phrase to a friend. This was an open, permanent thing that would sit below me every class, declaring me to 18 other people. I wrote down "NATALYA", then beneath "she/". And then I stared some more. I felt like I was going to die. I felt like I was the biggest fool, because before I could stop myself I wrote "she/they". No "he", not yet. But...it was there.
At the end of the class the teacher collected the placards. I wanted to run back screaming, wanted to ask her for a new card so I could be safe again. But I didn't because I would look like a freak and a coward.
I still think it's stupid. I still think I've put some petty gesture that no one will ever respect (if they can call you she they won't ever call you they) above my own safety. The thing that really struck me was that it didn't feel good. The reason I wrote it like that, I believe in hindsight, is that I was curious what those other kids feel like, because it must feel good to declare that you're a tr*nny d*ke in front of the entire class, good enough to beat the stomach-lurching dread that precedes such an action. But it didn't. It just felt like an unnecessary risk. And it made me feel worse, like there was a target on the back of my head.
I think I could talk about this forever, about how so many kids believe coming out is this thing you're required to do to be a good gay, but it's not. It's stupid stupid reckless, and in my case it ends with you getting fucked over.
But Ive written for ages and gotten prosaic halfway through so I'm gonna shut up. Basically why the fuck do you guys come out to everyone like please stay safe instead of this it isn't worth it.
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2021ssajka · 4 years ago
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This month has been very challenging for me. (personal post below, you can read it)
From having plans to go back to the Philippines, to cancelling that plans all together. I initially wanted to go to the PH because I wanted this to be my gift for myself as I am graduating with 2 majors. I wanted to visit my family there and spend time with them, as well as my dad (sick). 
My dad and I dont have the best relationship, so it has been even more challenging for me. 
Ive been in America for 10 years now and this whole time Ive always wanted to go back and be with my family there since I love them very much and they are a big part of my life. Ive always imagined a nice vacation and going on trips with my cousins. Painting in my little terrace of my childhood home. basically reliving my old life when I was 12. I still kept that dream till now.
I am only now realizing that, that perception of the Philippines I had in my head is still the vision I had when I was 12. I am realizing now that its a fantasy and not the reality. 
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This planning process for the Philippines was super last minute and impulsive, given the pandemic and me finding out my dads condition is not getting better. I booked a flight right away without any plans whatsoever. I was hoping it would be a spontaneous time where my family would bring me around to places and etc. I was even just fine with just staying home and just being in the company of my cousins that I missed so much. 
Everyday since I booked that flight, there were complications and drama rising. My dad has becoming paranoid and his narcissistic ways are coming back and has been triggering me. We have been fighting a lot since then which turned into getting more people involved with this fight. Resulted with me having a major panic attack and meltdown that I do not want to go at all. 
All the bad memories I had of him in my childhood came back. Everything was coming back to me- everything that I have burned at the back of my head and forgot about. I thought time has healed me but I was wrong. my past trauma came back and I felt like I was stuck into this trip without knowing what I signed up for.
I was not okay for many days. I felt like I was a helpless child he were able to control, manipulate and emotionally/mentally abuse again. I kept praying.
It was then that the Philippines announced that there were implying a travel ban on the day I booked a flight. I felt that this was God’s interfering in order to protect me from him
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This has been an eye opening experience for me. 
Growing up in a traumatic household and moving to another country made me deal with things differently. I realized that me being overly positive and optimistic and being grateful for everything is a trauma response. Its a survival response. 
At a young age, My body did not know how to process these traumatic events and emotions so I shutdown. Its like when you have an accident and your body go on emergency mode and you wont feel the pain. I think that is what my body went through. I remember a time when I was a kid and I was numb for a year. It was through art when I tried healing myself and holding on for hope. 
for a long time- till now, everytime those events in my childhood are being talked about, i literally have a panic attack and I shut down. I cannot listen to it or talk about it without crying. 
When I moved here. I started a new life. I had a clean slate and I tried to forget everything bad that has happened. Its like I cleared out all the bad memories and held onto the good things, thats why I had such a fixation in my childhood in the Philippines because after a while, I only believed that I had a good childhood there. (i didnt have a right grasp of my real past). This also explains the reason why I wanted to visit that place so bad- bc i can only remember the good things, and I had a breakdown when my bad past caught up to me because that no longer existed in my head. 
This explains my fixation in my memories of the Philippines in my art work and why I use happy colors. I only saw that place as the “good place” when in reality there are many bad things happening in that country (not only in my personal life). 
ive only realized these things now... 10 years later when everything came back to me as flashbacks when my trauma was triggered. and it explains everything in my life especially in my artworks. it explains why I do what I do and I have such empathy for myself because I realize that the artist in me is the kid in me 10 years ago. 
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I realized that when I moved here, I viewed the Philippines as my ESCAPE. my safe haven, the place I would want to go back to and retire to since this was my home at the age of 14. I had such yearning for that familiarity when I was living in a foreign place that I developed such fantasy in that place.
I started painting when I was dealing through traumatic events in the Philippines, just when I was about to move here. I used to paint encouraging words in my art, having it as my sense of hope in those challenging times. 
I guess that still lives on in my today. I still use my art as my sense of escape and I am only realizing that now. I have always mentioned that these landscapes are my “safe haven” and now I understand why. Ive always referred to my art as a “healing act” but i never really understood why. 
I realized that my view of the Philippines is different from reality. I made this to be a romanticized place where I had a nice childhood in but that was not the whole story. 
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This is why it is so hard for me to reference anything negative in my work. Ive always used my art as a positive act, to bring hope and encouragement. I still stand with that. I still resonate with my work and it is still valid. but now I see my work as two sided. Its not only that narrative but also the past that I have forgotten about. 
I have always had trouble with my art classes because teachers would always push me to do negative emotions in my work- so not just positive but also the negative aspect of the full spectrum of emotions.
This has always been a difficult task for me because I dont want that. My body rejects it. I used art to heal and they would want me to express the nasty emotions here. now I understand why I react that way. 
My mother is also a trauma survivor of my dad. So her, my sister and I share these experiences together. This also comes from an immigrant narrative who had nothing on her back when she came to this country, literally building herself up from dirt. My mom is the one who would always teach me to be grateful, to appreciate what we have and to be positive- to the point that thats all I did. to the point that it buried all the negative emotions and memories that I was not able to heal completely and is now still in that place. 
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its a lot. its like I just found out a different past that I never knew of. but im so glad I figured this out now. Its like I finally have an explanation why I am who I am today. Everything is valid, there is a reason why dealt with that problem that way and I dont regret it. 
Im just so glad I finally have answers. It just explains so much and im mindblown lol
I am not comfortable having this as a narrative of my work even if it is probably the main influence of the work i do. Im also not comfortable of talking about this personal story with other people and in my work. 
I just refuse being an abuse survivor as my story... I am more than what I have been through... so im trying to figure that out.
I am now trying to know myself again, my full self. 
Im excited to see how this changes my work hehe
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imperiuswrecked · 5 years ago
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Headcanon, based on reading older comics: it took Namor a while to realize things like "Banishing a child for ten years for being born is terrible, actually", "Thakorr was emotionally cruel because he's a bad person, not because of you", and "That thing where your cousin kept leading you into situations that would have killed you if not for you having unanticipated powers was also bad." So he would occasionally tell 'funny' stories from his childhood that alarmed the other Invaders.
(Anon message part 2.) Part of the reason Namor’s become disinclined to volunteer personal information or discuss his feelings is because he saw how people reacted to things like “And that was when my grandfather said I was allowed to live around normal people again”, and “It was okay though, it turned out I have the special power of not asphyxiating when on land”, and it made him uncomfortable.
Loving this headcanon so much Anon 🥰 It breaks my heart but thinking about the Invaders helping Namor after they learn about it would be so good. Namor talking about how he was born in the royal prison, was banished for ten years until his grandfather deemed him fit to live among them again, being constantly belittle for his differences, then later finding out that Namor is strong enough and can breath out of the water without aid and was basically now useful to Thakorr as a weapon against the hated surface world. Meanwhile the whole time the Invaders are just staring at him and one of them goes, “yeah that’s actually pretty shitty of your family to do that” and Namor going, “you wouldn’t understand, you aren’t a prince” basically having been conditioned to accept these as a fact of life until he spends more time around the Invaders and sees that all the shitty child abuse wasn’t actually the norm, it was just Thakorr being a dick and encouraging others treat Namor like shit to, except for a few people like Namora, Dorma, and Princess Fen who stood by him. 
Namor seeing how Steve and Jim act with their adopted sons, Bucky and Toro, and treated them well even though they were in a war zone and just realizing that “oh shit, I was abused” but unable to really talk about it or even process it on his own because he doesn’t have the emotional tools or help to untangle that web. This is why I say the Invaders were the most important male figures in Namor’s life because he already trusted women (bc he wasn’t treated badly by them like he was with thakorr) like Betty Dean, but it took him longer to trust men in power, and he is still wary about men who have a position of authority over people because he knows they could abuse it and hurt those under them, like Thakorr did. The Invaders are Namor’s surface family.
Thakorr was an emotionally and even strongly hinted at physically abusive asshole. Namor didn’t have any male role models who he could look up to while growing up. You can see that even the royal guards were wary about admitting Namor into the throne room, the hesitation of Namor addressing his grandfather, the question he asks his mother and his disbelieving reply. 
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Thakorr talking about how long its been since he tasted Atlantean blood especially Namors even though he hadn’t seen Namor in decades since Namor thought he had died ages ago. (like wtf Thakorr you creep, when the hell did you taste Namor’s blood?)
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Thakorr punishing Namor for his curiosity
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Namor: The First Mutant (2010) #4
Thakorr speaks of taunting Namor in the past
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Thakorr speaking of wanting to “teach his grandson a lesson” as he punches Abira (just how many “lessons” did Namor have growing up?)
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Namor finally confronting him.
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Thakorr speaks of demanding “perfection” from his people, then what of Namor? who was so obviously not perfect in Thakorr’s eyes. He says he made Namor into the person he was today.
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After killing his abuser, Namor reminds him of his words.
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It’s why when there’s a comic that talks about Thakorr being nice, I don’t believe it, because its just doesn’t match up with his actions towards Namor since the beginning. However another panel that shows how teen Namor deals with his emotional problems through anger because it’s all he really knows is in Namor (2003) #3 
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It’s not something that Adult Namor ever really confronts anymore, because he always finds a way to bury his hurt and pretend like he is ok,or he lashes out in anger.
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Hi, so I’ve been having issues with my partner over communicating & them taking their emotions out on me & after multiple times of this, i got so frustrated that I spoke to my aunt about it bc i wasn’t sure if I wanted to stay in the relationship anymore. After we talked her opinion of my partner changed & she wanted me to leave him. I didn’t speak to them for a few days bc of how frustrated I was & then I told them that we were breaking up. I know this is shitty but they had me tell them 1
“2 over the phone instead of in person like I originally wanted to, so the conversation wasn’t great. The next day when we met up to exchange our stuff they were crying& they’ve never cried in front of me so I knew they were hurting. I was crying to bc I realized that I didn’t want to lose them forever even though i was really frustrated with their behavior. we had a really long & deep talk about everything. This time we actually decided to work on things & improve, something we’ve never done
3 before. I believe in self-improvement and growth so I think they are capable of learning & getting better to improve our communication & deal with their emotions better. So I’m giving them another chance. The thing is my aunt now thinks I deserve better but I know that i still love and want my partner. I regret going through the “break up”. But my aunt told me it’s not my job to fix them & though I know that, my partner hasn’t had the best history so they never really had anyone to care or
4 help them through their issues, which explains their behavior. Now I’m hesitant to update my aunt bc idk how she’ll react. I know it’s my relationship and my choice. My question isn’t what should I do, but more so should I feel guilty about any of this?”
Your Aunt is absolutely right. It is NOT your responsibility to fix any partner you might have, and you are not even equipped to fix them. Your job is to be their partner in life, their confidant, not their psychologist. Your SO needs to seriously consider seeing a therapist and working through these issues. You can help them by being supportive and loving, not by parenting them. 
Although you may have the best intentions, your inexperience in mental health could have a lasting negative impact on their well-being. Do not attempt to help someone if you are not a medical professional!
Please remember that past life history does not in anyway excuse abusive behavior! People who blame their abusive behavior towards others on their pasts are manipulative and refusing to take blame for their own actions. 
It’s important to heed our family members and friends when they are concerned about our well-being in a relationship. These people want what’s best for us, but can sometimes be overly opinionated. These opinions come from a place of love, and they may not always be what you want to hear. I’m glad you felt comfortable confiding in your aunt, it sounds like she really helped you work through this. You should continue confiding in her and update her on what’s going on, you owe her that much. She will feel a lot better about the whole situation if she hears that your partner is seeking professional help! She will also feel better if she has multiple positive interactions with your partner, even if they are just brief ones. If your partner is up to it, they may want to talk to her themselves! These are small steps towards repairing that relationship.
Who you choose to be with in your choice and no one can make that choice for you. Your aunt will understand, but it will take some time for her to trust your SO again. And that is perfectly fine!
In the meantime I want you to write back and promise me that you will not try to “fix” your partner. That you will make your remaining in a relationship with them conditional based on them seeking proper medical care for their problems. That you will make your health and happiness a priority and understand that being with a partner who is dealing with untreated mental health issues can be detrimental to your own mental health. 
Take care!
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