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C A T for the ask game please hehe đ»
Cat!! My dearest Shrutual <3333
(Im going to answer alphabetically. Also this got so long omg)
A - Ships that you currently like a lot. (They donât have to be OTPs because not everyone has OTPs.) Friendships, pairings, threesomes, etc. are allowed.
I do have OTPs :D wolfstar and stucky (also previously: klance but im not into them as much anymore)
I even have a meme for this occasion:
other ships from the marauders fandom:
wolfstarbucks <333 wolfbucks and prongsfoot are alright too but not in the long run, I think I prefer them as a trio (everyone is there and all is well and everyone is happy. I get sad when R isnt there and im worried about S's whereabouts when he isnt there, so. Trio)
jily - i wouldnt call myself a jily shipper per se, but its also very dear to me <3333. Would choose a fic with them as a supporting ship over alternatives when reading r/s , thats for sure.
james & sirius friendship but also remus & james friendship!!
basically... sirius and remus and sometimes james an lily. in any configuration at this point
(there are other ships I like from hp, mcu and other fandoms but im not into them that much at this very moment)
C - A ship you have never liked and probably never will.
Oh boy. Do I have to choose just one?
Stony.
... Ok that wasnt that hard.
I dont like Tony, I dont care about him, I dont like their relationship we saw in the films (tho i havent read the comics so im judging just the films), Im not into enemies to lovers, there is nothing for me there. zero, zip, nada.
T - Do you have any hard and fast headcanons that you will die defending?
Thats a really hard question bc apart from fighting "mainstream" fanon with canon info i dont think im that invested about most headcanons? so, i will try. i will not elaborate tho.
if sirius was into any muggle subculture it would be punk
black brothers weren't tortured with cruciatus every other day for any minor inconvenience they caused. sirius was abused psychologically and emotionally and until the last second walburga hoped he would come back and take the role of the heir he was supposed to.
regulus wasnt forced into becoming a DE, but he did it bc he wanted to prove himself
alphard was gay and had muggle lover(s)
sirius would become a curse breaker, a social worker, an activist, a mechanic or an engineer or something like that. idk why but i dont like it when he's a healer/doctor. However I can see sirius joining the aurors with james, but i think he would resign not long after finishing training when he realises he cant fix the system from the inside. idk if james would resign tho.
if we assume that the marauders form a pack, its not remus who is the alpha, even while in wolf form
the last one im adding just bc i saw a post about it right before i started answering this ask: the full moon doesnt make remus horny. its a traumatic experience for him and he associates it with everything he fears - pain and loosing control. for a few days before the full he feels sick and weak and he hates everything and sirius has to fight tooth and nail to just get him under a blanket for a cuddle. right after the full he is exhausted and in pain. the further from the full the easier it is to get him in the mood, basically. (i feel like im the only one. at least on this one post every response was the opposite. i read just one ff with a similar thing - where its the new moon that makes werewolves horny.) i am not opposed to remus being horny right after the full tho
las one I just remembered: the hogwarts express has more than two stops. for gods sake. those kids arent travelling to London from Edinburgh just to spend the whole day on the train on the way back. (check out this map) all of the stations have platforms like 3 â
, 2 â
and so on of course.
ask game
#cat tag#ask game#sorry i kept you waiting#it took longer than i expected#the one ff was to trust the wolf by puuvillaa btw
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Just see this in twitter by someone : "I'm starting to think maybe people should read actual BL manga. perhaps considering manga written with actual gay characters in it in addition to shipping m x m from whatever battle shounen you're into."
Like because of those subtext, there can be fanfics and fanarts, right? And then I decided to come here, your blog is really one of my comfort place....
Comfort place!? This makes me want to carve out time to post infinitely more. đ„č Even though it feels a bit aimless, Iâm glad I could cultivate that for you and hope I can continue to do so.
RE: twitter, without context, it's hard to tell whether this person is earnestly recommending people to expand their interests into BL or if they're dumping on people who tend to support and identify queer shipping across other genres.
On the one hand, heavy agree that if you appreciate queer pairings of any kind to absolutely find media and stories that shows healthy (and authentic, if possible!) representation of whatever you're into. I feel like sometimes in BL, specifically, thereâs a lot of toxicity or violence passed off as romance which is why I recommend being discerning. Here are some green flag recommendations and I kind of touch on the importance of identity through engaging with queer content by way of BL's featuring fudanshi's there. Isn't always the case, but it's a storyline I appreciate.
If the poster was side eyeing queer ships in "mainstream" or shonen stories... they should grow up. I've been in and out of fandom for like.. 20 years. There have always been people who recognize and popularize queer ships. Back in the day? Characters didn't even have to share the same show, universe or genre to end up in a crossover slash fic on Fanfiction.Net.
Don't get me wrong, I've definitely needlessly explored several crack theories or made off-base assumptions about a story for the sake of trying to guess at where itâs going. But I sometimes question people's competency for reading/watching comprehension when a particularly shitty hottake is making its rounds on social media. Like are we not watching the same thing?
Subtext does exist. I don't know that all authors are as elegant or intentional in its execution but if you're not bothering to consider the possibility, you're potentially missing out on critical pieces of a story you're choosing to invest hours/years of your life into! This isn't simply as it pertains to shipping but also picking up on critical exposition (Attack. On. Titan.) or even questioning whether the information we're getting as the reader or viewer is conveyed with any sort of narrator bias. Yes, this is absolutely a My Hero Academia call out. âš
Queer coding does exist. Tons of reasons why queer characters aren't always explicitly identified as such. More often than not, there's some form of censorship. Whether at the editing level during manga production or when it comes time for manga/shows to be approved for international distribution (re: information that's lost in translation vs outright decisions to alter the flow of the story). Most glaring example of this that comes to mind is Haruka Tenou or "Sailor Uranus"/Michiru Kaiou or "Sailor Neptune. In addition to gratuitous name changes when Sailor Moon was pushed abroad, several countries would rather portray the two as unusually close relatives despite the clear romantic undertones exhibited whenever they were on screen together. Also, IDK why, but pretty sure I'd seen somewhere that, initially the creator of Naruto did want to canonize Sasuke/Naruto but, truth be told, I've never watched the series and that could have been a fanon theory I'd seen.
Overarching messages exist. Similar to the first point, a story is seldom just a story. More often than not, you're looking at some sort of social critique or opinion that's being expressed or explored through the story. To not bother thinking critically about what you choose to spend time in enjoying is a pretty bland way to miss the point of it.
When all else fails, it's not our fault that the only relationships most shonen mangaka focus on developing is the one between "rivals". That's it. If there were more dynamic characters or literally any consideration toward the depth of intimacy between the main character and whatever tritagonist female lead the male lead inexplicably ends up with (aside from the simple rationale that "she is the girl đ"), then maybe fans won't have to hone in on how the only agency, equality and intimacy is between the only two characters of substance. That was a mouthful but so are the overly poetic soliloquies shonen rivals inevitably share about one another.. âš
I'm guessing this question might be related to the last anon ask about fanfics? I agree regarding the fact that subtext allows for a richer selection of fan art and fics. I think, depending on content, the motivation for reading fics will subsequently differ. For instance, I'm less likely to read fanfics for a romance series even if I sometimes write for them because the source material generally satisfies what I wanted from them. But fix it fics, angst and romance fics for shonen/seinen series'?? I'll definitely pick them up because, 1) there are usually unexplored relationship dynamics in the source material, 2) there are alternative domestic/fluff storylines you'd never see because the genre doesn't allow for it, 3) the canon plot is usually so devastating *cough, JJK, cough* that I need a respite, and/or, 4) the developing plot tends to have a lot of holes that writers can explore to craft uniquely compelling AU's and alternative plotlines that I wouldn't imagine.
Man, it's been a while since I nerded out and really took the time to bang out a rant. I've had so many thoughts bouncing around but just zero time. Thank you for your ask and the reminder that there's someone else out there in the shipping trenches. Stay safe out there, anon!
#neon asks#anon asks#ship sails itself#meta#fandom#shipping dynamics#anime#manga#AOT#snk#mha#bnha#sailor moon#jjk
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also i realized the reason i felt irritated at people for not getting why they got designs like this is because speech synth fandom culture is incredibly obscure overseas, i dont mean that its rare or hard to come across so don't think i mean this in a pretentious way, more like due to the language barrier and lack of english speech synth support (i think it's literally just the kotonohas and maki that have english speech banks... also they are on entirely different softwares)
it is ENTIRELY different from "talkloid" culture overseas (thank god. sorry. you're welcome to think i hate fun because of this but i just find them so unfunny. not that speech synth fan content has high standards either....<-witnessed the horrors)
it is immediately way more accessible than vocal synth. you don't need to know how to make music to use them, and the content you can make varies.
people who have been around the block may know the seemingly strange genre that are lets plays video serials where the premise is that a speech synth character is playing and commentating on the game (yukari is most heavily associated with this, its why she is often associated with being a gamer in fanon).
those savvy about japanese web culture stuff may know about the yukkuri video genre, or basically the "let me explain you a thing" brand of usually low effort garbage tier content. they utilize aquestalk (same voice defoko is based on) as it is free. usually the premise is that yukkuri reimu and marisa explain to some kind of hot drama or former hot drama. it is a lot of SEO manipulation really. there are decent yukkuri videos but they are so low effort and derivative to the point where youtube triggered a yukkuripocalypse where tens of yukkuri channels went down because they are indistinguishable to content detection bots. nothing of value of lost. anyone with any dignity moved on to using voicevox's free vocals and put in effort into their videos after that (i can only hope).
those are things people may know, but of course there are picture dramas, comedy vids, tutorial vids, all kinds of stuff you think of when you think of TTS, it is done with speech synth characters. many of you know this definitely, but there are individual made softwares that make you able to make speech synth banks sing! they sound so charmingly rustic. i love that aspect very much.
but yeah, in terms of fan culture, it is a lot less polished, it has that vocaloid-ke (vocaloid family) feeling from the old days and will probably never phase out, there is seriously no way to sell out in this kind of field. how do you make this mainstream? even the most popular speech synth character, zundamon, her extent of mainstream use is as a faceless narrator in videos (if you watch japanese videos, you have heard her voice without realizing at least once).
i would not call vocaloid an "individualistic" culture, not at all, it is still very community based. but when compared to speech synth, the community seems so much more individualistic as at the end of the day popular producers receive accolades as individuals and at times it feels like this is the aim for some (i do not state this disparagingly). at any rate the exact reason why they absolutely had to give the VYs actual human designs is because speech synth culture heavily incentivises the sharing of assets freely. this is most commonly seen with talk sprites (known as standing pictures) used by others in pictures, videos etc (yes similar to rantsonas). THIS is why i say it is way less individualistic. both official bodies and fans share them for others to use freely (with usage terms depending on the poster). if you don't release that kind of thing, it will be difficult to promote your product. immensely so.
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for example, this zundamon sprite set above which is immensely popular online, literally anyone can use and they do use it! and its fanmade and unofficial. you can find it here.
that's the beauty of it really. and this also encourages fanmade derivatives, or simply just entirely different interpretations of certain characters. contrast these four popular iori yuzuru sets:
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they all give off a very different impression despite being the same character. and i've seen them all used with different interpretations of his personality. really this is the pathos of this kind of culture. there's a lot of freedom to the point of even warping what little setting there is. (here are the sources 1 / 2 / 3 / 4)
so without interrogating why, i got mad because i felt like people weren't getting the new VY speech bank release design philosophy in the slightest when it doesn't really pierce overseas english fandom at all. that is honestly my own misstep.
them adding a design doesn't mean they're forcing you to use it... it means they're encouraging others to interpret the voices as they like! i do think it is a cultural difference because the reaction to me saying this is probably "so they're just offloading the work to the fans" which isn't correct at all. it is a culture based on collaboration and sharing to create so many cool things. that's why i admire it so much as someone who is a fan of subculture.
i hope that makes sense.
this is really random, but i remembered this video of minase kou and takashi explaining how to get into drinking alcohol recreationally (aimed at recent adults). i am not interested in this subject at all, but i watched the video with great interest as i felt it was well explained and easy to understand even for someone who has a tenuous grasp of the language AT BEST. its been a while, so i don't remember exactly, but i do wanna warn for slight eyestrain and possible flashing lights in the background gag.
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i am also quite fond of this person's picture drama series that has very clean illustrations with punchy direction. it is lighthearted but also has some strong moments where things are a little tense and mysterious and there are supernatural elements, but it is primarily slice of life. i think they improve with every video! they use a lot of popular speech synth characters both free to use and proprietary, so if you want to learn them, i think i can recommend this as a fun way to do it.
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i hope this impromptu and messy writeup that probably forgot to mention a lot of important stuff helps demystify the phenomenon a bit. if you know any japanese, i do recommend deep diving and looking into these kinds of things because people make such fun and interesting things. i want to get better so i can immerse myself better too ^^;;;
i just think they're neat.
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I'm really bad at accepting interpretations that differ so wildly from canonical characterization. I know everyone interprets things differently and a part of fandom is transformative work. But seriously, some interpretations I see for certain characters feel and sound super OOC.
Hm, I think the best way to think of critical analyses and interpretations is that an interpretation is only as valid as the evidence used to support it. Anyone can just say shit, but that doesnât mean that it is a legitimate analysis of the work. Speaking for the mdzs fandom, there are interpretations that differ from mine that I am able to accept, regardless of whether I eventually agree or disagree, simply because the people who hold that interpretation have brought evidence from the text that shows me why they support that interpretation. However, there are also a lot of interpretations in this fandom that I donât accept because I can trace the root of it back to a fanfic or a big fandom account, and the supports twist the text to make their points. So instead of thinking of interpretations as âmine vs. everyone elseâs,â try, instead, to think of it in terms of âevidence-supported vs. complete fanon.â This makes it easier to just not engage with peopleâs imaginations when you donât want to, and makes discussion run smoother when it is just debating the actual text, because you donât have to treat fanon as a legitimate means of interpretation.
Also, the thing about fandom and fan works is that it actually isnât inherently transformative. Itâs creative work just like any creative work out there in the âprofessionalâ world, liable to produce hidden gems as well as the most derivative drivel at the same rate as their legitimized published counterparts. Fan works can only be âtransformativeâ so long as the creators understand the source material they are supposedly transforming. Turning the source material into the sort of tropy nonsense you can find in literally any fandom of any work and brushing every single character down into the same character models to fit generic fanon is fanfic, yes, but as far from transformative (as the word is being used) as you can get.
#anon#not everything is legitimate or valid#and you donât have to engage with the things you donât want to#just because someone *thinks* they have a point#(when their point is really just mainstream support of their fanon)
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Recommended reading for leftists
Introduction and disclaimer:
I believe, in leftist praxis (especially online), the sharing of resources, including information, must be foremost. I have often been asked for reading recommendations by comrades; and while I am by no means an expert in leftist theory, I am a lifelong Marxist, and painfully overeducated. This list is far from comprehensive, and each author is worth exploring beyond the individual texts I suggest here. Further, none of these need to be read in full to derive benefit; read what selections from each interest you, and the more you read the better. Many of these texts cannot truly be called leftist either, but I believe all can equip us to confront capitalist hegemony and our place within it. And if one comrade derives the smallest value or insight herefrom, we will all be better for it. After all... La raison tonne en son cratĂšre. Alone we are naught, together may we be all. Solidarity forever.
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(I have split these into categories for ease of navigation, but there is plenty of overlap. Links included where available.)
Classics of socialist theory
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Capital (vol.1) by Karl Marx Marxâs critique of political economy forms the single most significant and vital source for understanding capitalism, both in our present and throughout history. Do not let its breadth daunt you; in general I feel itâs better to read a little theory than none, but nowhere is this truer than with regards to Capital. Better to read 20 pages of Capital than 150 pages of most other leftist literature. This is not a book you need to âfinishâ in order to benefit from, but rather (like all of Marxâs work) the backbone of theory which you will return to throughout your life. Read a chapter, leave it, read on, read again. https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/pdf/Capital-Volume-I.pdf
The Prison Notebooks by Antonio Gramsci In our current epoch of global neoliberal capitalism, Gramsciâs explanation of hegemony is more valuable than much of the economic or outright revolutionary analyses of many otherwise vital theory. Particularly following the coup attempt and election in America, as well as Brexit and abusive government responses to Covid, but the state violence around the world and the advent of fascism reasserts Gramsci as being as pertinent and prophetic now as amidst the first rise of fascism. https://abahlali.org/files/gramsci.pdf
Imperialism: The Highest Stage Of Capitalism by V.I. Lenin Like Marx, for many Leninâs work is the backbone of socialist theory, particularly in pragmatic terms. In much of his writing Lenin focuses on the practical processes of revolutionary transition from capitalism to communism via socialism and proletarian leadership (sometimes divisively among leftists). Imperialism is perhaps most valuable today for addressing the need for internationalist proletarian support and solidarity in the face of global capitalist hegemony, arguably stronger today than in Leninâs lifetime. https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/imp-hsc/imperialism.pdf
Socialism: Utopian And Scientific by Friedrich Engels Marxâs partner offers a substantial insight into the material reality of socialism in the post-industrial age, offering further practical guidance and theory to Marx and Engelsâ already robust body of work. This highlights the empirical rigour of classical Marxist theory, intended as a popular text accessible to proletarian readers, in order to condense and to some extent explain the density of Capital. Perhaps even more valuable now than at the time it was first published. https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1880/soc-utop/index.htm
In Defense Of Marxism by Leon Trotsky It has been over a decade since I have read any Trotsky, but this seems like a very good source to get to grips with both classical Marxist thought and to confront contemporary detractors. In many ways, Trotsky can be seen as an uncorrupt symbol of the Leninist dream, and in others his exile might illustrate the dangers of Leninism (Stalinism) when corrupt, so who better to defend the virtues of the system many see as his demise? https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/idom/dm/dom.pdf
The Conquest Of Bread by Pyotr Kropotkin Krapotkin forms the classical backbone of anarchist theory, and emerges from similar material conditions as Marxism. In many ways, âthe Bread bookâ forms a dual attack (on capitalism and authoritarianism of the state) and defence (of the basic rights and needs of every human), the text can be seen as foundational to defining anarchism both in overlap and starkly in contrast with Marxist communism. This is a seminal and eminent text on self-determination, and like Marx, will benefit the reader regardless of orthodox alignment. https://libcom.org/files/Peter%20Kropotkin%20-%20The%20Conquest%20of%20Bread_0.pdf
Leftism of the 20th Century and beyond
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Freedom Is A Constant Struggle: Ferguson, Palestine, And The Foundations Of A Movement by Angela Davis This is something of a placeholder for Davis, as everything she has ever put to paper is profoundly valuable to international(ist) struggles against capitalism and itâs highest stage. Indeed, the emphasis on the relationship between American and Israeli racialised state violence highlights the struggles Davis has continually engaged since the late 1960s, that of a united front against imperialist oppression, white supremacists, patriarchal capitalist exploitation, and the carceral state. https://www.docdroid.net/rfDRFWv/freedom-is-a-constant-struggle-pdf#page=6
Postmodernism, Or, The Cultural Logic Of Late Capitalism by Frederic Jameson A frequent criticism of Marxism is the false claim that it is decreasingly relevant. Here, Jameson presents a compelling update of Marxist theory which addresses the hegemonic nature of mass media in the postmodern epoch (how befitting a tumblr post listing leftist literature). Despite being published in the early â90s, this analysis of late capitalism becomes all the more pertinent in the age of social media and âinfluencersâ etc., and illustrates just how immortal a science ours really is. https://is.muni.cz/el/1423/jaro2016/SOC757/um/61816962/Jameson_The_cultural_logic.pdf
The Ecology Of Freedom: The Emergence And Dissolution Of Hierarchy by Murray Bookchin I have not read this in depth, and take issue with some of Bookchinâs ideas, but this seems like a very good jumping off point to engage with ecosocialism or red-green theory. Regardless of any schism between Marxist and anarchist thought, the importance of uniting together to stem the unsustainable growth of industrialised capitalism cannot be denied. Climate change is unquestionably a threat faced by us all, but which will disproportionately impact the most disenfranchised on the planet. https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/murray-bookchin-the-ecology-of-freedom.pdf
Why Marx Was Right by Terry Eagleton Iâve only read excerpts of this; I know Eagleton better for his extensive work on Marxist literary criticism, postmodernity, and postcolonial literature, so Iâm including this work of his as a means of introducing and engaging directly with Marxism itself, rather than the synthesis of diverse fields of analysis. But Eagleton generally does a very good job of parsing often incredibly dense concepts in an accessible way, so I trust him to explain something so obvious and self-evident as why Marx was right. https://filosoficabiblioteca.files.wordpress.com/2018/12/EAGLETON-Terry-Why-Marx-Was-Right.pdf
By Any Means Necessary by Malcolm X Malcolm X is one of the pre-eminent voices of the revolutionary black power movement, and among the greatest contributors to black/American leftist thought. This is a collection of his speeches and writings, in which he eloquently and charismaticly conveys both his righteous outrage and optimism for the future. Malcolm Xâs explicitly Marxist and decolonial rhetoric is often downplayed since his assassination, but even the title and slogan is borrowed from Frantz Fanon.
Feminism and gender theory
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Sister Outsider: Essays And Speeches by Audre Lorde The primary thrust of this collection is the inclusion of âThe Masterâs Tools Will Never Dismantle The Masterâs Houseâ, probably Lordeâs most well known work, but all the contents are eminently worthwhile. Lorde addresses race, capitalist oppression, solidarity, sexuality and gender, in a rigourously rhetorical yet practical way that calls us to empower one another in the face of oppression. Lordeâs poetry is also great. http://images.xhbtr.com/v2/pdfs/1082/Sister_Outsider_Essays_and_Speeches_by_Audre_Lorde.pdf
Feminism Is For Everybody by bell hooks A seminal addition to Third Wave Feminist theory, emphasising the reality that the aim of feminism is to confront and dismantle patriarchal systems which oppress - you guessed it - everybody. This book approaches feminism through the lens of race and capitalism, feeding into the discourse on intersectionality which many of us now take as a central element of 21st Century feminism. https://excoradfeminisms.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/bell_hooks-feminism_is_for_everybody.pdf
Gender Trouble: Feminism And The Subversion Of Identity by Judith Butler Butler and her work form probably the single most significant (especially white) contribution to Third Wave Feminism, as well as queer theory. This may be a somewhat dense, academic work, but the primary hurdle is in deconstructing our existing perceptions of gender and identity, which we are certainly better equipped to do today specifically thanks to Butler. Vitally important stuff for dismantling hegemonic patriarchy. https://selforganizedseminar.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/butler-gender_trouble.pdf
Trans Liberation: Beyond Pink Or Blue by Leslie Feinberg Feinberg is perhaps the foundational voice in trans theory, best known for Stone Butch Blues, but this text seems like a good point to view hir push into mainstream acceptance where ze previously aligned hirself and trans groups more with gay and lesbian subcultures. A central element here is the accessibility and deconstruction of hegemonic gender and expression, but what this really expresses is a call for solidarity and support among marginalised classes, in a fight for our mutual visibility and survival, in the greatest of Marxist feminist traditions.
The Haraway Reader by Donna Haraway Haraway is perhaps better known as a post-humanist than a Marxist feminist, but in all honesty, I am not sure these can be disentangled so easily. My highest recommendation is the essay âA Cyborg Manifesto: Science, Technology, and Socialist-Feminism in the Late Twentieth Centuryâ, but it is in many ways concerned more with aesthetics and media criticism than anything practical, and Harawayâs engagement with technology has only become more significant, with the proliferation of smartphones and wifi, to understanding our bodies and ourselves as instruments of resistance. https://monoskop.org/images/5/56/Haraway_Donna_The_Haraway_Reader_2003.pdf
Postcolonialism
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The Wretched Of The Earth by Frantz Fanon Perhaps my highest recommendation, this will give you better insight into late stage (postcolonial) capitalism than perhaps anything else. Fanon was a psychologist, and his analyses help us parse the internal workings of both the capitalist and racialised minds. I donât see this work recommended nearly enough, largely because Fanonâs Black Skin, White Masks is a better source for race theory, but The Wretched Of The Earth is the best choice for understanding revolutionary, anti-capitalist, and decolonial ideas. http://abahlali.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Frantz-Fanon-The-Wretched-of-the-Earth-1965.pdf
Orientalism by Edward Said This is probably the best introduction to postcolonial theory, particularly because it focuses on colonial/imperialist abuses in media and art. Saidâs later work Culture And Imperialism may actually be a better source for strictly leftist analysis, but this is the groundwork for understanding the field, and will help readers confront and interpret everything from Western military interventionism to racist motifs in Disney films. https://www.eaford.org/site/assets/files/1631/said_edward1977_orientalism.pdf
Decolonisation Is Not A Metaphor by Eve Tuck and K. Wayne Yang In direct response to Fanonâs call to decolonise (the mind), Tuck and Yang present a compelling assertion that the abstraction of decolonisation paves the way for settler claims of innocence rather than practical rapatriation of land and rights. The relatively short article centres and problematises ongoing complicity in the agenda of settler-colonial hegemony and the material conditions of indigenous groups in the postcolonial epoch. Important stuff for anti-imperialist work and solidarity. https://clas.osu.edu/sites/clas.osu.edu/files/Tuck%20and%20Yang%202012%20Decolonization%20is%20not%20a%20metaphor.pdf
The Coloniser And The Colonised by Albert Memmi Often read in tandem with Fanon, as both are concerned with trauma, violence, and dehumanisation. But further, Memmi addresses both the harm inflicted on the colonised body and the colonisersâ own culture and mind, while also exploring the impetus of practical resistance and dismantling imperialist control structures. This is also of great import to confronting detractors, offering the concrete precedent of Algerian decolonisation. https://cominsitu.files.wordpress.com/2020/05/albert-memmi-the-colonizer-and-the-colonized-1.pdf
Can The Subaltern Speak? by Gayatri Spivak This relatively short (though dense) essay will ideally help us to confront the real struggles of many of the most disenfranchised people on earth, removing us from questions of bourgeois wage-slavery and focusing on the right to education and freedom from sexual assault, not to mention the legacy of colonial genocide. http://abahlali.org/files/Can_the_subaltern_speak.pdfÂ
Wider cultural studies
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No Logo by Naomi Klein I have some qualms with Klein, but she nevertheless makes important points regarding the systemic nature of neoliberal global capitalism and hegemony. No Logo addresses consumerism at a macro scale, emphasising the importance of what may be seen as internationalist solidarity and support and calling out corporate scapegoating on consumer markets. I understand that This Changes Everything is perhaps even better for addressing the unreasonable expectations of indefinite and unsustainable growth under capitalist systems, but I havenât read it and therefore cannot recommend; regardless, this is a good starting point. https://archive.org/stream/fp_Naomi_Klein-No_Logo/Naomi_Klein-No_Logo_djvu.txt
The Black Atlantic: Modernity And Double Consciousness by Paul Gilroy This is an important source for understanding the development of diasporic (particularly black) identities in the wake of the Middle Passage between African and America, but more generally as well. This work can be related to parallel phenomena of racialised violence, genocide, and forced migration more widely, but it is especially useful for engaging with the legacy of slavery, the cultural development of blackness, and forms of everyday resistance. https://dl1.cuni.cz/pluginfile.php/756417/mod_resource/content/1/Gilroy%20Black%20Atlantic.pdf
Imagined Communities: Reflections On The Origin And Spread Of Nationalism by Benedict Anderson This text is important in understanding the nature of both high colonialism and fascism, perhaps now more than ever. Anderson examines the political manipulation and agenda of cultural production, that is the propagandised, artificial act of nation building. This analyses the development of nation states as the norm of political unity in historiographical terms, as symptomatic of old school European imperialism. Today we may see this reflected in Brexit or MAGA, but lebensraum and zionism are just as evident in the analysis. https://is.muni.cz/el/1423/jaro2016/SOC757/um/6181696/Benedict_Anderson_Imagined_Communities.pdf
Discipline And Punish: The Birth Of The Prison by Michel Foucault Honestly, I am not sure if this should be on this list; I would certainly not call it leftist. That said, it is a very important source to inform our perceptions of the nature of institutional power and abuse. It is also unquestionable that many of the pre-eminent left-leaning scholars of the past fifty years have been heavily influenced, willing or not, by Foucault and his post-structuralist ilk. A worthwhile read, especially for queer readers, but take with a liberal (zing!) helping of salt. https://monoskop.org/images/4/43/Foucault_Michel_Discipline_and_Punish_The_Birth_of_the_Prison_1977_1995.pdf
Trouble In Paradise: From The End Of History To The End Of Capitalism by Slavoj ĆœiĆŸek Probably just donât read this, it amounts to self-torture. Okay but seriously, I wanted to include ĆœiĆŸek (perhaps against my better judgement), but he is probably best seen as a lesson in recognising theorists as fallible, requiring our criticism rather than being followed blindly. I like ĆœiĆŸek, but take him as a kind of clown provocateur who may lead us to explore interesting ideas. He makes good points, but he also... Doesnât... Watch a couple youtube videos and decide if you can stomach him before diving in.
Additional highly recommended authors (with whom I am not familiar enough to give meaningful descriptions or specific recommended texts) (let me know if you find anything of significant value from among these, as I am likely unaware!):
Theodor Adorno (of the Frankfurt School, which also included Herbert Marcuse, Erich Fromm, and Walter Benjamin, all of whom Iâd likewise recommend but with whom I have only passing familiarity) was a sociologist and musicologist whose aesthetic analyses are incredibly rich and insightful, and heavily influential on 20th Century Marxist theory.
Sara Ahmed is a significant voice in Third Wave Feminist criticism, engaging with queer theory, postcoloniality, intersectionality, and identity politics, of particular interest to international praxis.
Mikhail Bakhtin was a critic and scholar whose theories on semiotics, language, and literature heavily guided the development of structuralist thought as well as later Marxist philosophy.
Mikhail Bakunin is perhaps the closest thing to anarchist orthodoxy. Consistently involved with revolutionary action, he is known as a staunch critic of Marxist rhetoric, and a seminal influence on anti-authoritarian movements.
Silvia Federici is a Marxist feminist who has contributed significant work regarding womenâs unpaid labour and the capitalist subversion of the commons in historiographical contexts.
Mark Fisher was a leftist critic whose writing on music, film, and pop culture was intimately engaged with postmodernity, structuralist thought, and most importantly Marxist aesthetics.
Che Guevara was a major contributor to revolutionary efforts internationally, most notably and successfully in Cuba. His writing is robustly pragmatic as well as eloquent, and offers practical insight to leftist action.
Há» ChĂ Minh was a revolutionary communist leader of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam, and a significant contributor to revolutionary communist theory and anti-imperialist practice.
C.L.R. James is a significant voice in 20th Century (especially black) Marxist theory, engaging with and criticising Trotskyist principles and the role of ethnic minorities in revolutionary and democratic political movements.
Joel Kovel was a researcher known as the founder of ecosocialism. His work spans a wide array of subjects, but generally tends to return to deconstructing capitalism in its highest stage.
György LukĂĄcs was a critic who contributed heavily to the Western Marxism of the Frankfurt School and engaged with aesthetics and traditions of Marxâs philosophical ideology in contrast with Soviet policy of the time.
Rosa Luxemburg was a revolutionary socialist organiser, publisher, and economist, directly engaged in practical leftist activity internationally for a significant part of the early 20th Century.
Mao Zedong was a revolutionary communist, founder and Chairman of the Peopleâs Republic of China, and a prolific contributor to Marxism-Leninism(-Maoism), which he adapted to the material conditions outside the Western imperial core.
Huey P. Newton was the co-founder of the Black Panther Party and a vital force in the spread and accessibility of communist thought and practical internationalism, not to mention black revolutionary tactics.
LĂ©opold SĂ©dar Senghor was a poet-turned-politician who served as Senegalâs first president and established the basis for African socialism. Also central to postcolonial theory, and a leader of the NĂ©gritude movement.
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I hope this list may be useful. (I would also be interested to see the recommendations of others!) Happy reading, comrades. We have nothing to lose but our chains.
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Maybe its just because I haven't watched eah in a while but Darling Charming strikes me as just another saccharine cutesy princess.
The titular interest she brings to her character is her surprise reveal as the White Knight. Which is #girlpower and all, but that's not a controversial plot twist. Its a low-effort grab for progressive points, and it is directed to a mainstream liberal audience.
We don't see Darling and her relationships to other characters since she was introduced so late, and she was only really looked into in the Way Too Wonderland side arcs. But even then those were only Cinematicâą shots of her taking off her helmet and her long hair spilling out.
There was some interest in the Dragon Games when she awoke Apple. That sapphic kiss led to their ensuing ship, but the two really haven't gotten much canon content outside of that. And even then, that kiss was written off as CPR to appeal to larger audiences.
In the fandom there's only fanon Darling/Apple interactions, and from what I've described above, the intrigue is only toward Apple, who is usually blushing and stuttering when she talks to Darling.
We already know Apple; she is undoubtedly an interesting character. Darling is just kinda There as an object of Apples affection.
Maybe Darlings' appeal is found in the part she plays in the Royal-Rebel conflict? Both of her brothers side with the Royals, and so when a lone child of such an influential family throws her support toward the Rebel side, this draws admiration to her?
(and please don't mistake this as anti Darling! I hold no ill will against her. if you have another perspective of her I'm not seeing please correct me!)
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in which I get progressively angrier at the various tropes of atla fandom misogyny
tbh I think it would serve all of us to have a larger conversation about the specific ways misogyny manifests in this fandom, because Iâve seen a lot of people who characterize themselves as feminists, many of whom are women themselves, discuss the female characters of atla/lok in misogynistic ways, and people donât talk about it enough.Â
disclaimer before I start: Iâm not a woman, Iâm an afab nonbinary person who is semi-closeted and thus often read as a woman. Iâm speaking to things that Iâve seen that have made me uncomfy, but if any women (esp women existing along other axes of oppression, e.g. trans women, women of color, disabled women, etc) want to add onto this post, please do!
âThis female character is a total badass but Iâm not even a little bit interested in exploring her as a human being.âÂ
Iâve seen a lot of people say of various female characters in atla/lok, âI love her! Sheâs such a badass!â now, this statement on its own isnât misogynistic, but it represents a pretty pervasive form of misogyny that Iâve seen leveled in large part toward the canon female love interests of one or both of the members of a popular gay ship (*cough* zukka *cough*) Iâm going to use Suki as an example of this because I see it with her most often, but it can honestly be applied to nearly every female character in atla/lok. Basically, people will say that they stan Suki, but when it comes time to engage with her as an actual character, they refuse to do it. Iâve seen meta after meta about Zukoâs redemption arc, but I so rarely see people engage with Suki on any level beyond âlook at this cool fight scene!â and yeah, I love a cool Suki fight scene as much as anybody else, but Iâm also interested in meta and headcanons and fics about who she is as a person, when she isnât an accessory to Sokkaâs development or doing something cool. of course, the material for this kind of engagement with Suki is scant considering she doesnât have a canon backstory (yet) (donât let me down Faith Erin Hicks counting on you girl) but with the way Iâve seen people in this fandom expand upon canon to flesh out male characters, I know yâall have it in you to do more with Suki, and with all the female characters, than you currently do. frankly, the most engagement Iâve seen with Suki in mainstream fandom is justifying either zukki (which again, is characterizing her in relation to male characters, one of whom she barely interacts with in canon) or one of the Suki wlw pairings. which brings me to--
âI conveniently ship this female character whose canon love interest is one of the members of my favorite non-canon ship with another female character! gay rights!âÂ
now, I will admit, two of my favorite atla ships are yueki and mailee, and so I totally understand being interested in these charactersâ dynamics, even if, as is the case with yueki, theyâve never interacted canonically. however, it becomes a problem for me when these ships are always in the background of a zukka fic. at some point, it becomes obvious that you like this ship because it gets either Zuko or Sokkaâs female love interests out of the way, not because you actually think the characters would mesh well together. Itâs bad form to dislike a female character because she gets in the way of your gay ship, so instead, you find another girl to pair her off with and call it a day. to be clear, Iâm not saying that everybody who ships either mailee or yueki (or tysuki or maisuki or yumai or whatever other wlw rarepair involving Zuko or Sokkaâs canon love interests) is nefariously trying to sideline a female character while acting publicly as if sheâs is one of their faves--far from it--but it is noteworthy to me how difficult it is to find content that centers wlw ships, while itâs incredibly easy to find content that centers zukka in which mailee and/or yueki plays a background role.Â
also, notice how little traction wlw Katara ships gain in this fandom. whenâs the last time you saw yuetara on your dash? thereâs no reason for wlw Katara ships to gain traction in a fandom that is so focused on Zuko and Sokka getting together, bc she doesnât present an immediate obstacle to that goal (at least, not an obstacle that can be overcome by pairing her up with a woman). if you are primarily interested in Zuko and Sokkaâs relationship, and your queer readings of other female characters are motivated by a desire to get them out of the way for zukka, then Kataraâs canon m/f relationship isnât a threat to you, and thus, thereâs no reason to read her as potentially queer. Or even, really, to think about her at all.Â
âKataraâs here but sheâs not actually going to do anything, because deep down, Iâm not interested in her as a person.âÂ
the show has an enormous amount of textual evidence to support the claim that Sokka and Katara are integral parts of each otherâs lives. so, she typically makes some kind of appearance in zukka content. sometimes, her presence in the story is as an actual character with layers and nuance, someone whom Sokka cares about and who cares about Sokka in return, but also has her own life and goals outside of her brother (or other male characters, for that matter.) sometimes, however, sheâs just there because halfway through writing the author remembered that Sokka actually has a sister whoâs a huge part of the show theyâre writing fanfiction for, and then they proceed to show her having a meetcute with Aang or helping Sokka through an emotional problem, without expressing wants or desires outside of those characters. Iâm honestly really surprised that I havenât seen more people calling out the fact that so much of Kataraâs personality in fanon revolves around her connections to men? sheâs Aangâs girlfriend, sheâs Sokkaâs sister, sheâs Zukoâs bestie. never mind that in canon she spends an enormous amount of time fighting against (anachronistic, Westernized) sexism to establish herself as a person in her own right, outside of these connections. and that in canon she has such interesting complex relationships with other female characters (e.g. Toph, Kanna, Hama, Korra if you want to write lok content) or that there are a plethora of characters with whom she could have interesting relationships with in fanon (Mai, Suki, Ty Lee, Yue, Smellerbee, and if you want to write lok content, Kya II, Lin, Asami, Senna, etc). to me, the lack of fandom material exploring Kataraâs relationships with other women or with herself speak to a profound indifference to Katara as a character. Iâm not saying you have to like Katara or include her in everything you write, but I am asking you to consider why you donât find her interesting outside of her relationships with men.
âI hate Katara because she talks about her mother dying too often.âÂ
this is something Iâve seen addressed by people far more qualified than I to address it, but I want to mention it here in part because when I asked people which fandom tropes they wanted me to talk about, this came up often, but also because I find it really disgusting that this is a thing that needs to be addressed at all. Yâall see a little girl who watched her mother be killed by the forces of an imperialist nation and say that she talks about it too much??? That is a formational, foundational event in a childâs life. Of course sheâs going to talk about it. Iâve seen people say that she doesnât talk about it that often, or that she only talks about it to connect with other victims of fn imperialism e.g. Jet and Haru, but frankly, she could speak about it every episode for no plot-significant reason whatsoever and I would still be angry to see people say she talks about it too much. And before you even bring up the Sokka comparison, people deal with grief in different ways. Sokka repressed a lot of his grief/channeled it into being the âmanâ of his village because he knew that they would come for Katara next if he gave them the opportunity. he probably would talk about his mother more if a) he didnât feel massive guilt at not being able to remember what she looked like, and b) he was allowed to be a child processing the loss of his mother instead of having to become a tiny adult when Hakoda had to leave to help fight the fn. And this gets into an intersection with fandom racism, in that white fans (esp white American fans) are incapable of relating to the structural trauma that both Sokka and Katara experience and thus canât see the ways in which structural trauma colors every single aspect of both of their characters, leading them to flatten nuance and to have some really bad takes. And you know what, speaking of bad fandom takes-- Â
âShitting on Mai because she gets in the way of my favorite Zuko ship is actually totally okay because sheâs ~abusive~âÂ
yâall WHAT.Â
ok listen, I get not liking maiko. I didnât like it when I first got into fandom, and later I realized that while bryke cannot write romance to save their lives, fans who like maiko sure can, so I changed my tune. but if you still donât like it, thatâs fine. no skin off my back.Â
what IS skin off my back is taking instances in which Mai had justified anger toward Zuko, and turning it into âMai abused Zuko.â do you not realize how ridiculous you sound? this is another thing where I get so angry about it that I donât know how useful my analysis is actually going to be, but Iâll do my best. numerous people have noted how analysis of Mai and Zukoâs breakup in âThe Beachâ or Mai being justifiably angry with him at Boiling Rock or her asking for FUCKING FRUIT in âNightmares and Daydreamsâ that says that all of these events were her trying to gain control over him is....ahhh...lacking in reading comprehension, but Iâd like to go a step further and talk about why yâall are so intent on taking down a girl who doesnât show emotion in normative ways. obviously, thereâs a âZuko can do no wrongâ aspect to Mai criticism (which is super weird considering how his whole arc is about how he can do lots of wrong and he has to atone for the wrong that heâs done--but thatâs a separate post.) But I also see slandering Mai for not expressing her emotions normatively and not putting up with Zukoâs shit and slandering Katara for âtalking about her mother too oftenâ as two sides of the same coin. In both cases, a female character expresses emotions that make you, the viewer, uncomfortable, and so instead of attempting to understand where those emotions may have come from and why they might be manifesting the way they are, yâall just throw the whole character away. this is another instance of people in the fandom being fundamentally disinterested in engaging with the female characters of atla in a real way, except instead of shallowly âstanningâ Mai, yâall hate her. so we get to this point where female characters are flattened into one of two things: perfect queens who can do no wrong, or bitches. and thatâs not who they are. thatâs not who anyone is. but while we as a fandom are pretty good at understanding b1 Zukoâs actions as layered and multifaceted even though heâs essentially an asshole then, few are willing to lend the same grace to any female character, least of all Mai.Â
and whatâs funny is sometimes this trope will intersect with âI conveniently ship this female character whose canon love interest is one of the members of my favorite non-canon ship with another female character! gay rights!â, so youâll have someone actively calling Mai toxic/problematic/abusive, and at the same time ship her with Ty Lee? make it make sense! but then again, maybe thatâs happening because yâall are fundamentally disinterested in Ty Lee as a character too.Â
âI love Ty Lee so much that Iâm going to treat her like an infantilized hypersexual airhead!âÂ
there are so many things happening in yâalls characterization of Ty Lee that I struggled to synthesize it into one quippy section header. on one hand, you have the hypersexualization, and on the other hand, you have the infantilization, which just makes the hypersexualization that much worse.Â
(of course, sexualizing or hypersexualizing ANY atla character is really not the move, considering that these are child characters in a childrenâs show, but then again, thatâs a separate post.)Â
now, I understand how, from a very, very surface reading of the text, you could come to the conclusion that Ty Lee is an uncomplicated bimbo. if you grew up on Western media the way I did, youâll know that Ty Lee has a lot of the character traits we associate with bimbos: the form-fitting pink crop top, the general conventional attractiveness, the ditzy dialogue. but if you think about it for more than three seconds, youâll understand that Ty Lee has spent her whole life walking a tightrope, trying to please Azula and the rest of the royal family while also staying true to herself. Ty Lee and Azulaâs relationship is a really complex and interesting topic that I donât really have time to explore at the moment given how long this post is, but Iâd argue that Ty Leeâs constant, vocal adulation is at least partially a product of learning to survive at court at an early age. Like Mai, she has been forced to regulate her emotions as a member of fn nobility, but unlike Mai, she also has six sisters who look exactly like her, so she has a motivation to be more peppy and more affectionate to stand out.Â
fandom does not do the work to understand Ty Lee. as is a theme with this post, fandom is actively disinterested in investigating female characters beyond a very surface level reading of them. Thus, fandom takes Ty Leeâs surface level qualities--her love of the color pink, her revealing standard outfit, and the fact that once she found a boy attractive and also once a lot of boys found her attractive--and they stretch this into âTy Lee is basically Karen Smith from Mean Girls.â thus, Ty Lee is painted as a bimbo, or more specifically, as not smart, uncritically adoring of Azula (did yâall forget all the non-zukka bits of Boiling Rock?), and attractive to the point of hypersexualization. I saw somebody make a post that was like âI wish mailee was more popular but Iâm also glad it isnât because otherwise people would write it as Mai having to put up with her dumb gfâ and honestly I have to agree!! this is one instance in which Iâm glad that fandom doesnât discuss one of my favorite characters that often because I hate the fanon interpretation of Ty Lee, I think itâs rooted in misogyny (particularly misogyny against East Asian women, which often takes the form of fetishizing them and viewing them only through a Western white male gaze) Â
(side note: here at army-of-mai-lovers, we stan bimbos. bimbos are fucking awesome. I personally donât read Ty Lee as a bimbo, but if thatâs you, thatâs fucking awesome. keep doing what youâre doing, queen <3 or king or monarch, itâs 2021, anyone can be a bimbo, bitches <3)
âToph can and will destroy everyone here with her bare hands because sheâs a meathead who likes to murder people and thatâs it!â Â
Toph is, and always has been, one of my favorite ATLA characters. My very first fic in fandom was about her, and she appears prominently in a lot of my other work as well. One thing that I am always struck by with Toph is how big a heart she has. Sheâs independent, yes, snarky, yes, but she cares about people--even the family that forced her to make herself smaller because they didnât believe that their blind daughter could be powerful and strong. Her storyline is powerful and emotionally resonant, her bending is cool precisely because itâs based in a âwait and listenâ approach instead of just smashing things indiscriminately, sheâs great disabled rep, and overall one of the best characters in the show.Â
And in fandom, she gets flattened into âsnarky murder child.âÂ
So where does this come from? Well, as we all know, Toph was originally conceived of as a male character, and retained a lot of androgyny (or as the kids call it, Gender) when she was rewritten as a female character. There are a lot of cultural ideas about androgynous/butch women being violent, and people in fandom seem to connect that larger cultural narrative with some of Tophâs more violent moments in the show to create the meathead murder child trope, erasing her canon emotionality, softness, heart, and femininity in the process.Â
This is not to say that you shouldnât write or characterize Toph as being violent or snarky at all ever, because yeah, Toph definitely did do Earth Rumbles a lot before joining the gaang, and yeah, Toph is definitely a sarcastic person who makes fun of her friends a lot. What I am saying is that people take these traits, sans the emotional logic, marry them to their conception of androgynous/butch women as violent/unemotional/uncaring, and thus create a caricature of Toph that is not at all up to snuff. When I see Toph as a side character in a fic (because yeah, Toph never gets to be a main character, because why would a fandom obsessed with one male character in particular ever make Toph a protagonist in her own right?) sheâs making fun of people, killing people, pranking people, etc, etc. Sheâs never talking to people about her emotions, or palling around with her found family, or showing that she cares about her friends. Everything about her relationship with her parents, her disability, her relationship to Gender, and her love of her friends is shoved aside to focus on a version of Toph that is mean and uncaring because people have gotten it into their heads that androgynous/butch women are mean and uncaring.Â
again, we see a female character who does not emote normatively or in a way that makes you, the viewer, comfortable, and so you warp her character until sheâs completely unrecognizable and flat. and for what?Â
Azula
no, I didnât come up with a snappy name for this section, mainly because fanon interpretations of Azula and my own feelings toward the character are...complicated. I know there were some people who wanted me to write about Azula and the intersection of misogyny and ableism in fanon interpretations of her character, but I donât think I can deliver on that because I personally am in a period of transition with how I see Azula. that is to say, while I still like her and believe that she can be redeemed, there is a lot of merit to disliking her. the whole point of this post is that the female characters of ATLA are complex people whom the fandom flattens into stereotypes that donât hold up to scrutiny, or dislike for reasons that donât make sense. Azula, however, is a different case. the rise of Azula defenders and Azula stans has led to this sentiment that Azula is a 14 y/o abuse victim who shouldnât be held accountable for her actions. it seems to me that people are reacting to a long, horrible legacy of male ATLA fans armchair diagnosing Azula with various personality disorders (and suggesting that people with those personality disorders are inherently monstrous and unlovable which ahhhh....yikes) and then saying that those personality disorders make her unlovable, which is quite obviously bad. and hey, I get loving a character that everyone else hates and maybe getting so swept up in that love that you forget that your fave is complicated and has made some unsavory choices. it sucks that fanon takes these well-written, complex villains/antiheroes and turns them into monsters with no critical thought whatsoever. but the attitude among Azula stans that her redemption shouldnât be hard, that her being a child excuses all of the bad things that sheâs done, that she is owed redemption....all of that rubs me the wrong way. I might make another post about this in the future that discusses this in more depth, but as it stands now: while I understand that there is a legacy of misogynistic, ableist, unnuanced takes on Azula, the backlash to that does not take into account the people she hurt or the fact that in ATLA she does not make the choice to pursue redemption. and yes, Zuko had help in making that choice that Azula didnât, and yes, Azula is a victim of abuse, but in a show about children who have gone through untold horrors and still work to better the lives of the people around them, that is not enough for me to uncritically stan her.Â
Conclusion  Â
misogyny in this fandom runs rampant. while there are some tropes of fandom misogyny that are well-documented and have been debunked numerous times, there are other, subtler forms of misogyny that as far as I know have gone completely unchecked.Â
what I find so interesting about misogyny in atla fandom is that itâs clear that itâs perpetrated by people who are aware of fandom misogyny who are actively trying not to be misogynistic. when I first joined atla fandom last summer, memes about how zukka fandom was better than every other fandom because they didnât hate the female characters who got in the way of their gay ship were extremely prevalent, and there was this sense that *this* fandom was going to model respectful, fun, feminist online fandom. not all of the topes Iâve outlined are exclusive to or even largely utilized in zukka fandom, but a lot of them are. Iâve been in and out of fandom since I was eleven years old, and most of the fandom spaces Iâve been in have been majority-female, and all of them have been incredibly misogynistic. and I always want to know why. why, in these communities created in large part by women, in large part for women, does misogyny run wild? what I realize now is that thereâs never going to be a one-size fits all answer to that question. whatâs true for 1D fandom on Wattpad in 2012 is absolutely not true for atla fandom on tumblr in 2021. the answers that Iâve cobbled together for previous fandoms donât work here.Â
so, why is atla fandom like this? why did the dream of a feminist fandom almost entirely focused on the romantic relationship between two male characters fall apart? honestly, I think the notion that zukka fandom ever was this way was horrifically ignorant to begin with. from my very first moment in the fandom, I was seeing racism, widespread sexualization of minors, and yes, misogyny. these aspects of the fandom werenât talked about as much as the crocverse or other, much more fun aspects. further, atla (specifically zukka) fandom misogyny often doesnât look like the fandom misogyny weâve become familiar with from like, Sherlock fandom or what have you. for the most part, people donât actively hate Suki, they just âstanâ without actually caring about her. they hate Mai because they believe in treating male victims of abuse equally. theyâre not characterizing Toph poorly, theyâre writing her as a âstrong woman.â in short, people are misogynistic, and then invoke a shallow, incomplete interpretation of feminist theory to shield themselves from accusations of misogyny. itâs not unlike the way some people will invoke a shallow, incomplete interpretation of critical race theory to shield themselves from accusations of racism, or how theyâll talk about âfreedom of speechâ and âthe suppression of womenâs sexualityâ to justify sexualizing minors. the performance of feminism and antiracism is whatâs important, not the actual practice.Â
if youâve made it this far, first off, hi, thanks so much for reading, I know this was a lot. second, I would seriously encourage you to be aware of these fandom tropes and to call them out when you see them. elevate the voices of fans who do the work of bringing the female characters of atla to life. invest in the wlw ships in this fandom. drop a kudos and a comment on a rangshi fic (please, drop a kudos and a comment on a rangshi fic). read some yuetara. letâs all be honest about where we are now, and try to do better in the future. I believe in us.Â
#fandom crit#longpost#like seriously long post strap in#misogyny#death tw#murder tw#abuse cw#sexualization of minors#ableism#racism#fandom racism#zukka crit#swearing tw#suki#yue#katara#ty lee#mai#toph#azula
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Fandom discourses are inherently messy bcs it concerns how ppl interpret text and media, but i feel like when it concerns mainstream cape comics character accuracy, at the base of it, you canât really win.
Theres a conversation to be had about mcu adaptations and the motives of streamlining characters to fit ur multibillion dollar franchise under the evil mouse corporation, fucking over the aspects of representation they try to sell to you then having these mangled versions end up being the defining incarnation to the general public.
But for my purposes this is mainly concerning dc.
The nature of the serialization for these comics being a collaborative effort of ever-changing writers in an ever-expanding universe mean that for the most part, every decision made would disservice at least one character, and consequently piss someone off.
Having books where most of its supporting characters are fully developed with their own runs seem to be a double-edged sword where there should be plenty of material to draw from and build plots around, but only under the assumption that the writers read the comics of the characters they write about.
And then in the events that a character long neglected gets brought back and remolded to be a tag-a-long in someone elseâs series, or a reboot nerfs a character real bad, with whatever trickle-down effect it causes, if said characterization ends up being adopted in canon longer than their original incarnation,
At what point does that first personality become the one actually considered ooc? How much consistent appearance of what you consider âbad writingâ has to be there before u have to accept that making them not be like that is the deviation?
Current decisions in dc of soft reboots and having all their characters remember what happened pre-new52, but not erasing the aspects readers hated from said reboot, and not at all exploring how that knowledge would affect the characters, coupled with how they dont seem to keep track of character developments in other books, make trying to keep up with continuity itself feel like an exercise in futility.
You might get runs with the intention of repairing damages that might fix characterization issues to a point, but also feels like a regression of all the development they shouldâve had.
Depending on your comic entry point, your blorbo, and what aspects of said blorbo you connect with, how you interact and which canons you adopt would be wildy varied, and like, you probably wont be wrong for it.
Its also very understandable when regarding characters that have so much history and adaptations people end up going off more accessible and streamlined incarnations, like say, a free webtoon on a big platform or other fanworks.
Is it annoying when larger fanon doesnt fit how you perceive those characters and dynamics? Sure. Are they wrong? Well??? Again, thats free game.
Fandom has always been drawn to exploration and extrapolation, and the way mainstream superhero comics are written dont tend to linger on big character/plot beats. Theres plenty of play room and its easy to headcanon someone one way or another.
Sometimes it can end up creating a more in-depth and nuanced version of a character youâd probably never see in the hand of canon writers, other times they get flattened in all the wrong angles.
But being a fan of mainstream cape comics is so rarely rewarding, the nature of it really is to just pick and choose whatever parts of it brings you the most joy. No one wins in this dnsnsnsns.
That tweet that said âthe best way to enjoy fandom is to keep it between you and 3 or 4 likeminded friendsâ really is the best way to keep u sane in these things.
#shut up roppie#comic meta#well more specifically#dc meta#i guess#more accurately#batman meta#REALLY#also posted this on twt but i needed to get it out in longer wording#on the topic of wfa its actually funny how it seems that the writers actually have read the defining runs of the characters#yet make the executive decision to bend it to fit fanon#and considering its an elseworld slice of life comedy where theyre a happy family that tracks#if u try to be accurate to how they are when the comics made most sense they would not be a cohesive family unit lmao#wait i g this is actually#fandom meta
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You know, for all itâs flaws, I will still say I fucking adore My Hero Academia for all the stuff it does thatâs so different from other mainstream mangas/animes Iâve seen.
Like, alright, thereâs definitely some issues with the female costumes, some more than others, but overall esp in the manga, our female class 1-A students arenât anywhere near as bad as a lot of other mainstream mangas. Jirouâs in particular is wonderful by comparison, and Uraraka/Asuiâs are both pretty damn good too.
I honestly love the civilian outfits for just about every female character too. Those are (to my knowledge) basically entirely under the authors control and it says a lot to me that the sexualization all but vanishes from those sketches.
On a character level, I really appreciate Urarakaâs fight with Bakugou going down the way it did, and I adore that she chose to set her crush on Izuku aside to focus on becoming a hero. So far, Iâve been genuinely surprised to see none of the female characters getting forced into random/unneeded romances, and thatâs a pleasant change. I think overall a lot of the female characters have great personalities, and although I wish that they got more screentime/development, Iâve still seen a lot more of both than I see in most mainstream shows.
While I know thereâs issues with Tiger & Magne too, I will say when I came into the manga having only seen fandom content prior, I straight up expected them being trans to just be popular fanon. BNHA was the first time Iâd seen any explicitly trans characters in a manga/anime, and while Magne did die, her death was not random/pointless and was remembered and avenged.
I love that BNHA genuinely addresses abuse/trauma/the pain that the characters are going through. Itâs often not perfect, but itâs there and itâs so much more than I see from a lot of other popular shows in the genre. Heroes/society are shown to be fundamentally flawed/fallible from chapter 1, and thatâs a wonderful, fascinating exploration that gets my brain going all sorts of places. Characters donât just move on from trauma. Izuku doesnât just get to break his arms and keep doing that again and again. All-Might doesnât die the moment heâs fulfilled heâs narrative purpose. Katsuki isnât just a bully/rival for Izuku that either straight up goes villain or magically changes his stance on everything.
I think more than anything though, I love how many disabilities are represented in BNHA, and done so causally. All-Might is the No. 1 hero, heâs disabled, and thatâs done so well. He has limits, he needs help and support from others, and heâs never shamed for either of those things. Katsuki has lasting mental trauma from getting kidnapped and blamed for it, something that doesnât just go away because the story wasnât focused on it. Shouto has trauma from his abuse that heâs still working to overcome. Aizawa gets seriously hurt during the USJ, and it doesnât go away. Heâs left with a scar and a his quirk is weaker as a result, and thatâs handled seriously within the narrative.
Then youâve got all the different ways that just about everyone struggles with their various quirks and drawbacks, with so much room left for readers to fill in the blanks. Not to mention quirk discrimination, the presence of sexism/classism/corruption in governmental systems all of which is present throughtout the story in careful amounts.
Iâm rambling at this point, but listen, BNHA is a show with flaws. That much is for sure. But itâs also a show that does so much more than other mainstream shows of the genre, that builds a fascinating world with very human feeling characters, and I think it doesnât get enough credit for that. So for that, I adore it.
#bnha#mha#bnha meta#mha meta#sif speaks#just me rambling about this#b/c seriously#this show does a lot#and yeah it could do more#but comparatively#it's made a lot of strides
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IS didnât make every character open to romance from both Byleths. Edelgard was a conscious choice. Maybe their intentions were just fanservice more than anything else, but maybe let queer women have a mainstream same sex couple in a video game âaimed at men.â
Yes, it was a conscious choice, one almost certainly made because it frees up the writing to develop Edeleth outside of the standard support system without needing to radically alter the script to account for Byleth's gender. It thus avoids the problem people have noted with Chrom/Robin in Awakening, Corrin/Azura in Fates, and Dimileth and Claudeleth from Three Houses itself where there's substantial relationship buildup between an Avatar and a major character but no follow-through S rank or ending for the same-sex option. Edeleth takes every advantage of that freedom too: "Edge of Dawn" is in part about Edelgard crushing on her teacher, there's the drawing scene in CF and its follow-ups in exploration dialogue, CF's ending cutscene is more physically intimate than the equivalent scenes in AM and VW (but about the same as SS's, because Rhea is also bi-for-Byleth), Edelgard's attraction to Byleth is apparent in scenes outside her own route, an element of Hubert's character is that he's in love with someone who's in love with someone else, etc.
The existence of F/F Edeleth seems more incidental than anything else, and I never much bought into the idea of needing to prop it up so that queer people can have something when Avatar same-sex S ranks are so insubstantial and, in a sense, artificial compared to the sort of queer subtext that FE has been doing for years and that is every bit as abundant in FE16. F/F may not be my thing personally but even I've noted its more prominent examples, some of which I mentioned in my previous post. Dorothea with Petra and Manuela, Catherine with Rhea and Shamir, Annette and Mercedes, Hilda and Marianne, even Edelgard and Manuela if you want to stick with Edelgard - my point is that all of these and more feel more substantial than Byleth/anyone could ever hope to be because they involve actual dialogues and sometimes queerness grounded in specifically gendered situations, or at least the knowledge that they don't share scripts with an identical M/F equivalent. Is projection onto a wooden silent protagonist really so valuable that it's worth propping up to the exclusion of all the rest?
Furthermore, it's only ever Edeleth where I see opposition to a Byleth pairing turned into a moral issue rather than the aesthetic one that it largely is. I barely see anything on Byleth's other F/F options outside places like kink memes (and also Heroes giving F/F Rhealeth a summer duo alt, of course), and even though I talk about M/M subtext in FE very often I can't recall ever hearing from shippers of Byleth's canon M/M pairings who are disappointed that there are at least half a dozen non-Byleth M/M ships that are substantially more discussed in fandom. At most I've gotten some flak from fans of the fanon-only M/M Dimileth, because they enjoy the self-insert aspect even though canon hands Dimitri two very different flavors of homoromantic dynamic - the basically already married (Dedue) and the work in progress (Felix) - to explore. My guess is that Edeleth gets this unique reaction is that the pairing built so much into Three Houses as a whole, and that Edelgard has very little substantial sapphic content elsewhere unlike Dorothea or Mercedes but what about Rhea and Sothis then?, but my concern remains as always the elevation of lackluster Avatar S ranks over actually meaningful subtext just because one involves a self-insert and is thus treated as more inclusive/progressive.
Arguably it might be, but pairings involving silent self-inserts are always going to be vastly less interesting than the alternative...and I care much more about being entertained than I do about seeing myself specifically represented in a video game.
#Fire Emblem#FE16#Fire Emblem Three Houses#The counterpoint to Avatar same-sex S ranks#Is that as some have noted all the options for those in both FE14 and FE16#Are some combination of fanservice-based (and not necessarily for queer demographics)#And safe/inoffensive choices#But I could do a video essay on how that applies to FE as a whole#...Maybe I should write that down as a project idea
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And another reason why reducing the judgement of stories to the sole metric of representation is flawed is that diversity in the stories we tell refers to the cultureâs total corpus, not particular books. You can say more such-and-such voices should be present in the mainstream but I canât think of a single example of an individual piece of media owing you particular representation. Sorry to dig up the silliest possible stale discourse generators but, for instance, Dear Evan Hansen didnât really include black stories because it was a limited cast and fundamentally a story about class difference across primarily white suburban America. Good Omens didnât include the two men making out because thatâs not the story, and there are other places for keen readers and watchers to find more overt and more authentic depictions of men making out. Itâs not really a valid comparison to fiction, but when we read Caesarâs Bellum Gallicum we get a coloniser perspective, and when we read Fanon we get a colonised perspective, and neither would be more useful to us for including another side; the important thing is that neither of those texts, and indeed no texts, are suppressed by institutional means.*
Should there be more black stories on Broadway and more men making out on whatever streaming service Good Omens is on? Sure. This by no means says that the default should be white and straight. But if your aim is to change what kind of representation there is overall, as a consumer, itâs much more useful to read or watch what you want to see and ignore what you donât than read or watch a thing you take issue with, then go online to complain until the creator shoehorns some concession into the sequel. And thatâs not even limited to a matter of how we treat art; if you support work with particular social or political messaging, I think more minds would be changed by a media landscape with open availability of work where that messaging is a central intention than one where Marvel can pump any out any number of movies with stickers that say PROGRESSIVE! on them, stripping the message of its meaning and drowning out genuine voices. This feeds back into a capitalist system which has become one of the institutions of censorship under the guise of freedom. It also eats away at the publicâs ability to distinguish real intention from the Man in a new coat.
Thereâs a place for exhaustive and maximally inoffensive representation, and that place is primarily childrenâs literature. And posters in the doctorâs office. Itâs great to have positive examples when you are trying to form someoneâs impression about how society should be, and people should get along, etc. But to say that adults are so lacking in the critical thinking to make their own judgements about what is being shown to them is not only infantilising, it also atrophies their ability to use that critical thinking.
Representation is important, but if interpreted the wrong way, just becomes another form of sanitation, the leftâs favourite gateway to suppression of art. And ultimately, characters arenât people, theyâre devices for a narrative, and most good narratives are tightly enough built that they donât have spare parts hanging out the sides just for the sake of being there. When we look at great or important works of literature, many (though not all) of them are very narrow, because the point of a lot of literature is to depict a very specific experience/worldview. The privilege that we have as people living in a very globalised society is getting access to all of those stories at once; but when we talk about representation, it should never be a question of how a certain artist makes their own work, but rather that there is maximal opportunity for diversity of work and of creators in the relevant industries.
*And when I say institutional means I mean: banned by state, discrimination in Hollywood and the publishing industry, out-monopolisation to death by corporations, and removal from libraries, the internet, or optional higher education. Where the issue becomes more complex is inclusion in the inherently limited setting of school curriculums, search result ordering algorithms, etc.
#alternate conclusion that is actually not alternate at all is capitalism has become the root cause and we need to go back to handing out#pamphlets in the streets. (looks @ means necessary to write a book get it edited and get it published) you're calling this a 'free' press?#no freedom under class tyranny#talk#sorry this is horribly disorganised my train of thought switched rails halfway through#stream of consciousness that's art baby
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I would like to say my piece here about schmico, greyâs anatomy, and the fandom and itâs really for my own self-indulgence and benefit. Iâm not asking for you to agree with me or even begin to understand what Iâm going on about. I donât even think half the things that I think about for this fandom exists on an important level. I fully believe in just ~vibinâ~ to your own tune when it comes to participating in fandom spaces.
so this post is gonna be my way of getting stuff off my chest so i can continue to ~vibe~
First thing Iâd like to address is: I know. I know the Nico Kim that I love and adore is not the Nico Kim in canon. He is who I hope he is in canon. But thereâs not much to combat or support that he is or isnât. He really could be who weâve made up in fanon for him and at the same time, he really couldnât. Greyâs created this character that is as blank as a dried piece of toast. So forgive me if I spread a bit of spicy jam here and there so I can swallow this bland shit down a little easier.Â
So when people come to me to say, âYâall are delulu and out of your mind to love this guy this much.â PLEASE, I know. This isnât news, honey. I am well aware.
But I will continue to justify, romanticize, and put this boy on a pedestal for as long as his existence in canon continues to remain arbitrary and vague. And it makes me very biased to a fault but I have put too much time and energy into this character NOT to be.Â
And then you might ask, why have I put so much of my time and life (THREE YEARS!!!! IâVE BEEN IN THIS FANDOM FOR THREE YEARS!!!!!!!!!!) into this character that has all but said maybe like a PAGE of dialogue at most?Â
Because I was conned into it. Because they marketed the shit out of him when Alex Landi got the part. And I, as a casual viewer of Greyâs since I was in high school (Iâm in my late 20s now, dawg) and of Asian descent was promised representation. Not just Asian rep, but queer rep.Â
So naturally, I got extremely attached. It's not everyday a major Western mainstream prime time medical drama chooses to create a character as unique as Nico's.Â
I spent so much time here. I was here when fandom decided Nico would call Levi âbabeâ. I was here when we all clowned that Nico didnât know Leviâs first name. I was here when Josh died and the fandom went up in arms with pitchforks and stakes against Nico. I was here for all of it. I've seen it all.Â
And unfortunately, seeing it all, makes me tired. Greyâs is time and time again proving to me that they donât give a shit about the development and well-being of their existing characters at all. The show only cares about collecting diversity points and performing their wokeness to the general masses. (I talk a lot about how grey's is plot-driven vs. character-driven.)Â
I will still get frustrated and annoyed at Nicoâs lack of character development. But I mostly just laugh at the fandom nowadays. I know you guys want to fight the fight, tell everyone Nico is not toxic!!!!!! But bros, friends, lovers, itâs a tried and tired fight.Â
Greyâs wants us to think Nico is a Bad Boyfriend. Itâs as clear as the stench one comes across when they step on dog shit. Thatâs why I think itâs useless to fight people about Nico. Greyâs gets amnesia all the time. Greyâs forgot the whole season and half they invested in creating a loving boyfriend for Levi and up and changed Nicoâs personality to fit a new narrative (that they, quite frankly, failed to even follow through because of covid and other filming hoopla hula hoops theyâve had to jump through that Iâve been informed of and which I simply donât care for).Â
So all this ~schmico is endgame!!! we deserve it!!!~ Binches, I have better things to fight for than schmico endgame. Whatâs the alternative? Levi lives in Joâs closet forever? Theyâre going to be together in the end no matter what. Nobody on that show cares enough about Nico OR Levi to set up new relationships and stories for them. So donât fret, my friends. Theyâll be together in the end. It just comes down to the question of what stupid story theyâre going to come up with for them to be together. (And might I argue that they already are together???)Â
Speaking of the bogus story theyâre going to write for schmico: you bet my rice eating, Chinese-speaking ass, that itâs not going to be a story written from a queer and poc perspective. Itâs going to be some gag-worthy straight het story but made gay. (How many times do I have to hear, "I hope Nico comes out to his parents!!" NO, HE DOESN'T! Do you know how VIOLENT coming out is sometimes?? It's not a solution to Nico's problems with Levi. It's an introduction and invitation to problems over being queer -- but why would I expect anyone, let alone Grey's, to understand that prepetuating these types of stories is inherently damaging to queer people? They wouldn't know. The cishet fandom wouldn't know. Because no one is writing grey's in a queer, poc centric way.)
Which drives me to the next point: you know why Nico doesnât get character development even though he showed up at the same time as Link? Because of âšracism âš. Because Link is a more conventional character (read: white) that is easier to write because nobody on this show knows how to write an Asian character anymore, let alone a gay Asian character. So of course, nobody wants to touch that shit even with a pogo stick. (Argue with me that Cristina exists and I will tell you, yes she did, but they RARELY touched upon her cultural and ethnic background. Also it was the early 2000s. Cristina was as ground breaking as it got for us Asians back then.)
And then because Nico isnât developed enough, we have the weird phenomenon of people shipping everyone and their dog with Levi and itâs like, yâall know you got played by the racism game, right? You are hostages to this system that has taught you that white men are more desirable and deserving of story and humanity than a poc character who is instead, reduced to nothing but sex appeal and if heâs not doing well on that front, then heâs useless.
How many times does Levi say: Nico is so hot! Sex with Nico is so good! Heâs a roman statue!
All!! the!! time!! Nico's worth to Leviâs character is to be the sex object that Sets Him Free.Â
Which plays into the sexualization of Asian people which all comes from, you guessed it! Racism! (Levi really compared Nico to a fucking lifeless slab of stone.)
(Side note: I do think talking about how racism plays into Nicoâs character and the fandom space is important and probably a separate post. Iâm happy to write my opinion piece on it if itâs something people want.)Â
But anyway, those are just some of my qualms with schmico, greyâs anatomy, and the fandom. I do not expect anyone to fully agree with me and Iâm not asking the fandom to change or apologize or whatever. Iâm just already grateful if you took the time to even read this post.Â
Iâll leave with some parting advice: fandom is what you make of it. We wonât all agree with everyoneâs hot takes, but thatâs the beauty of it, yeah? So I chose to create this version of Nico Kim that brings me IMMENSE joy. Like, A LOT!!! I love this fandom for these reasons. Iâm grateful everyday for the friends Iâve made and the works and creations Iâve created and Iâm honoured to be able to consume other works made by fellow fans.Â
I might hate a lot of things about greyâs and schmico, but I really owe a lot of myself to this fandom.Â
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Hey! đđŒ I was looking at Tonys panel with Carol and his AA panels. It got me thinking how can a person like Tony .. who is an atheist, a believer of science and a confident engineer rely on AA which has a religious foundation (the 12 steps) and place so power on God. I know secular AA have different takes on it and encourage a personal definition of God as any higher power the person may choose. But doesnât that defeat Tonys belief? Because I donât think he believes in a higher power regardless if itâs a deity or not.
This is a wonderful question. Thereâs a lot of nuance to the answer, in my opinion, because I think there are some things called into question here that Tony (very realistically) treats with a lot of complexity.
Firstly, Tonyâs atheism is kind of... I donât want to say itâs up in the air, because at this point, I think itâs kind of made its place in canon and fanon both. But, most likely as a result of the times in which he was created, he has been shown in canon (at least in the early stages of his life) to follow some sort of organized religion. This is from Iron Man Vol. 1 #164, and itâs... not strong evidence for him being a spiritual man, as most people who call themselvesÂ ïżœïżœnot that religiousâ tend to be religious by way of traditions, but. You know. It is what it is.
Of course, we could dismiss this as yet another thing that early canon imposed on a character who wouldnât be like that at this point in time, but I think it brings up interesting beats in the way Tonyâs character has progressed over the years.
Considering him as someone who may have been raised as traditionally religious makes sense in the context of defining events, as well, given that we watch him pray the Lordâs prayer in #14 of Iron Man Vol. 4, one of his Civil War tie-ins.
Given the proximity to the alcohol (and the point heâs at in the timeline, here), one could also easily assume that even if he had no religious background, the very presence of the Lordâs prayer in AA meetings could have formed a connection in his head between this âworshipâ and sobriety-- at the very least, enough of one that the prayer strengthens the effectiveness of his willpower. It seems the little push he needs to pour a drink down the drain is borderline Pavlovian.
Thereâs actually a lot of religious imagery in Tony comics in general. Heâs a man with a suit facing conundrums of cosmic proportions. Itâs difficult for him to keep rationale exclusively within the range of earthly probabilities.
Point is, his atheism doesnât come from his disbelief in a higher power. Itâs quite the contrary, actually. His atheism comes from a belief that thereâs no single entity that could claim the title of God, that any being willing to try has, just by being, already forfeited the title.
Which is a fair assessment to make, given that heâs fought many people claiming to be Gods, and theyâve all bled. Heâs also watched people worship Gods that turned out to not... really be Gods, whether they were otherworldly beings, his buddy Thor, or, uh, himself. The idea of him, at least. In space.
Because of course that happened.
But Tony actually does have a higher power to give himself up to in these meetings. In Civil War II #1, he very explicitly states it:
âI respect the future. I believe in the future. I worship at its feet.â
âThe Futureâ to him is something he can affect, certainly, but heâs aware of just how massive it is, just how massive all of time is compared to the few decades heâll spend on earth. This is his higher power, his cosmic deity of choice.
It canât bleed. It canât falter. Itâs inevitable.
And this mindset is... pretty in line with everything else heâs done. Heâs referred to himself as a ânecessary monster.â Heâs implied many times over that he thinks heâs rotten and potentially dangerous, but heâs also intelligent and capable and he wants to do the right thing, even if he doesnât always know what that is.Â
If youâve ever been in a religious environment, youâll probably recognize his mindset going into any problem: thereâs always a solution, always information heâs missing, always a âright choiceâ heâs looking for with a domino effect thatâll be as favorable as possible for future generations. He trusts in the future the way people trust in God, with an awareness that heâll never have all the pieces to make sense of everything, but he can have enough information to act. And he must act, or else his worth, his right to be alive, even, is at stake.
So, needless to say, heâs not praying to a mainstream God. But religious imagery isnât and has never been off-putting to him, and though he certainly could seek out unreligious (is that a word?) alternatives to AA, I find it hard to believe that he would, given just how influential his higher power of choice is as it guides him through life. He puts everything at stake for it, going so far as to make choices that will destroy not only himself, but also his relationships with his loved ones if it means heâs doing what he perceives to be the right thing.
Secondly, even if he were a man who had no belief in any form of higher power, not even a stand-in for it, AA still might not be something heâd discard in favor of an alternative.
Religion serves as a guide. Most often, it has âdoâs and âdo notâs, certain beliefs it supports, and a kind of... basic explanation of what human life is and how it should be treated. One of the more common threads among most religions that Iâm aware of (I am not an expert in religious studies; please donât @ me) is the idea that human life is generally sacred, and as such, people should treat each other with respect. Yes, some texts can contradict this, but the general rule is âbe nice to each other!â when you really look at the basics of what people are trying to teach. At its core, religion is linked to what we as humans already tend to for the sake of survival: compassion.
As such, though we might not always identify with religion as a concept, itâs not difficult to identify with some religious morals and teachings. Some people take to certain teachings better than others-- itâs super case-by-case-- but if youâre stuck in a religious environment listening to some preaching or anything, thereâs probably going to be something you can relate to, and some way you can morph and adopt the message. This isnât, like, all-encompassing, by the way. Of course there are some things that atheists and religious folk will never be able to relate to within each other, but.
You get what I mean.
Iâm an atheist myself. I spent a chunk of my schooling at a religious institution. At best, there were messages that affected me deeply (as they were hard-hitting even when I stripped them of the God-worshipping aspects). At worst, I had to grit my teeth through some assignments, though I felt mostly indifferent (if slightly resentful at times, more out of frustration with the closed-mindedness of the administration than with the concept of religion itself). My experience isnât universal, of course-- some people in my shoes were more frustrated and angry than I was, and I can see why. But my point is, being an atheist in and of itself (even one as strict as Tony) doesnât render religious imagery useless.
For example, if you happen to pass by a pastor preaching about struggles with guilt, you might not identify with the sentiment of âGive your worries to God and know Heâll take care of you.â However, you could identify with the sentiment of, âThose little things, those side effects of decisions youâve made? Theyâre here. Those decisions have been made. Youâre allowed to swallow past the reality of what it is thatâs passed and move on. Youâre allowed to let go of it, so long as youâre better today than you were yesterday.â
Itâs especially easy to do this if youâre listening to or being exposed to content from a religion youâre already familiar with; in Tonyâs case, if we assume he was a Christian at one point or was raised with Christian ideals (not unbelievable in the slightest, given his circumstances and upbringing), then he wouldnât have to do a lot of heavy lifting in order to get to âcore messagesâ of certain Christian teachings that he could still identify with. Couple that with the higher power mentioned before, and... itâs not hard to see what might be appealing to him about AA, and itâs not hard to see why it was so effective at sticking in his mind all the way through his darkest periods in life.
Now comes the less healthy part.
Thereâs also an aspect of self-flagellation to it that I feel Tony might identify with on a deeper level. Weâve seen him hate himself openly, and we know how he regards himself. Even if he managed to find himself in a courthouse-like environment where the religious undertones were more about judgment than recovery, I donât know that that would necessarily... push him away? Heâs already told himself thereâs something rotting and evil at his core many times over. Heâs already committed himself to a lifestyle of atonement and progress, punishing himself when he fails to accomplish things no human reasonably could and barely praising himself when he doesnât fail. Do I think these kinds of meetings would be totally sustainable for him, given that he clearly needs to feel pride or relief on some level for conquering his demons? No, not really, but. I donât think heâd abandon them straight away.
Besides, every healing environment heâs been shown in has been more on the welcoming, open side, even if we only get to see a bare bones interpretation of AA (with deeper exploration happening more with Tonyâs response to it, or his and Carolâs responses to each other) in canon. Heâs in a good place with it, and itâs very nice to see.
Tl;dr: Again, great question. At the end of the day, I think the combination of self-loathing, his desire for progress, and his conceptualization of âthe futureâ as his higher power makes AA a good fit for him despite his lack of a belief in "Godâ as an entity.
#cassks#religion#alcohol tw#the day has come where my quasi-religious background has become useful#if there are parts of this that are illegible... that is my bad#i have. a killer headache right now#and i hurt all over#but thank you for the ask it was very nice
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I totally see your point about racism in media, and I think theyâd have to really careful about how they write a Parker x Hardison x Eliot relationship. but also, I just really want actual polytriad representation. The leverage OT3 is one of the closest things we got besides sense8 and sirens (before season 3 burned my hopes and dreams down). Like youâre making a totally valid point, but also Iâm tired of people coming into my inbox calling me racist on anon, just cause Iâm latching on to one of the few semblances of poly rep in mainstream media
I actually donât have an issue with fandom kind of enjoying narratives around stories we create. I think Rogers/Dean encourages the fandom to see what they want to see for their own personal enjoyment. He doesnât go out of his way to say usually âthis or that isnât trueâ he just lets the fans have it and supports everything..
My issue is..because iâve been in fandom long enough. When we all kind of collectively dig into our own fanon and then get offended with the actual show doesnât fulfill the stories we created.
If Leverage OT3 isnât explicitly stated in the reboot I donât want to see people start attacking the creators and actors because the show didnât meet their fanon expectations
Because iâve seen it happen so many times. The creator supports the fan theory. The fandom takes that as saying the fan theory is supported by the actual narrative in the show...then when it doesnât happen the way they want it to happen..the fanodm attacks them
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Racism on PokeFarm Q
So! This is gonna be a long post, so iâll be putting all of the content below a read more cut. The gist is that the staff of PokeFarm Q are racist and do not give a single fuck about the Indigenous communities, and explicitly stated they will not even attempt to do anything about cultural appropriation. In the past staff members have also voiced their lack of support for the BLM movement. Iâve gathered transcripts and screenshots from the conversation between myself and the member that started this and between myself and staff.
tw for below the cut: ment. of r*pe, ment. of cannibalism, the word wendig*ag repeatedly uncensored, racism ment., cultural appropriation ment.
This morning I came across a user by the name of TrĂŒĂȘWĂȘndĂŻgĂž, and they were messaged in regards to their username
ArdenInTheGarden 09/Jun/2020 08:13:03 (1 hour ago) Hey, are you Alqonquin/Anishinaabe? TrĂŒĂȘWĂȘndĂŻgĂž 09/Jun/2020 08:17:17 (1 hour ago) I am an Algonquian Wendigo if that is what you are asking. Why? ArdenInTheGarden 09/Jun/2020 08:20:10 (1 hour ago) Figured I'd ask. There a lot of non-Natives that use the term for Wendig*ag trivially, and I promised nA friends that if I saw it I'd check on it, and to help try and deter its usage TrĂŒĂȘWĂȘndĂŻgĂž 09/Jun/2020 08:23:39 (1 hour ago) I am kinda obsessed with the Wendigo, so I read about them a lot. I am Australian, so if I have gotten this wrong in any way, I would like to correct myself. I hope I am using it correctly ArdenInTheGarden 09/Jun/2020 08:26:59 (1 hour ago) Ahh, let me help you out then! They're, like, NOT something to mess with. They're feared, through and through, to the point where speaking or even writing the name is forbidden (which is why it's usually censored). They're not able to be befriended or tamed or worked with; they are the pure form of evil distilled into a physical being, often from greed or due to cannibalism! They're definitely not the kind of thing to be revered or messed with, they're just evil, straight up. I don't think you can change your username, but I'd discourage you from using it in the future, especially as a non-Native TrĂŒĂȘWĂȘndĂŻgĂž 09/Jun/2020 08:30:46 (1 hour ago) I have already accepted death because I got a wendigo oc. I only discovered the creature becuase my oc was made before I learnt about them. My unusual deerman with the taut skin and a thirst for blood. I apologise if I upset anyone with my username. ArdenInTheGarden 09/Jun/2020 08:34:52 (56 minutes ago) Fwiw the, like, "fanon" (not the right term but you know what I mean?) depiction of them has no root in any of the beliefs? No one really knows where that came from (except, like, white people trying to steal things that aren't theirs and mainstream religious figures for their own gain) So your OC can very well just be an angry bloodthirsty deer man that isn't infringing on First Nations beliefs and appropriating from a closed belief system not open to outsiders. I doubt you meant any harm, but I'd STRONGLY encourage you to not use the term or name in the future TrĂŒĂȘWĂȘndĂŻgĂž 09/Jun/2020 08:43:15 (47 minutes ago) I mean, I didn't try to steal anything, I just think the creature is awesome, kinda like the Sirenhead thing. I love to learn about mythology and legends. I think the only problem is that I've used the term Wendigo too much, and once again, I am sorry for that. I respect wishes and all that, but me learning about the creature and having my oc being a Wendigo kinda helped me through bad times. I like to create art [stories or drawings] keeps me happy. Again, sorry, but I would like to continue using the term. Only because of an oc. I understand how disresptectful I am, and I understand if you don't like this, but I'm not trying to upset anyone. ArdenInTheGarden 09/Jun/2020 08:50:10 (40 minutes ago) "but please sir, that's my comfort cultural appropriation and misuse of First Nations beliefs". Like,,,yeah, it is really disrespectful. You're using it wrong, and it's not open to you, and you can't use it. Comparing it to Sirenhead is also REALLY disrespectful? Like, you're taking a sacred piece of a belief system and equating it to a shitty Internet monster :/ I obviously can't force you but you're wrong and you're well aware that you are, and you're being selfish and unkind :// you need to stop, and I've been really nice about this and handling it because I know Natives are tired of having to do it, but please do not mistake my kindness and composure as a sign you can continue because you cannot.
Unfortunately I was unable to get screenshots of this conversation before my account was locked. Screenshots of the rest are available.
I filed a support ticket with the staff regarding it, which received no response
About an hour later I was greeted with this error, stating my account had been locked indefinitely for harassment and violation of the PG rule
I filed a second support ticket in order to appeal my account being locked and give an explanation to the staff. The following is the conversation between myself and Eltafez
It's 4:30 in the morning so forgive my ineloquence.
My language might have been slightly harsh in PMs with TrueWend*go, but they were violating the rules and have an inappropriate username and are flagrantly disregarding the racist roots their actions have. The Native community in every part of the world has faced consistent harassment and dealt with their culture being slandered, torn apart, erased, and what was left being stolen by people to use as a fun culture symbol or as a "sPoOkY mYtH". They are glorifying a being that is rooted entirely in evil and is the embodiment of the worst a person is capable of. They have created an identity around a creature of cannibalism, of r*pe, of greed, and of violence. They disregarded the polite explanations of the ramifications of their actions and the benefit of the doubt that they did not know what they were doing. By locking my account for this, you are sending the clear message that you care more for not rocking the boat than defending Native belief systems. As a US resident, I am already witnessing the brutal effects of silencing those speaking out against racism. You are aligning yourselves with oppressors. I will agree that my defense was perhaps overzealous. Moderators on many other sites I have been on have failed entirely in the past to defend the Native community and I was frightened this case would be the same and reacted strongly. I am still afraid this is the case as I am the one punished and they are, at last checked, still free to continue. Please unlock my account. If I am unavailable on the PMs, I can be reached at [REDACTED] for further discussion.
Eltafez â 09/Jun/2020 12:21 The staff of PFQ do not condone or support any form of racism. In fact, the team is comprised of people living all over the world. Quite a few among us (myself included) are from a different culture and/or race. You're offended by a name - I'd like to counter that by saying you're offending the staff team by accusing us of something we're not. Cultural appropriation is something we cannot (and will not) enforce due to the sheer magnitude of it. You see books, movies, games - everywhere really, that handle mythical creatures and even real gods (take Egypt, Greece, Rome, ... to name a few). Like human beings, they develop and change over time. We can't lock someone for having the name Anubis or Iuno because there once existed a civilization that coined these names or terms. There's a public beach called "Wendigo Beach Resort" - if the term is so inappropriate, then why is it called that? The user you reported has done nothing wrong - our rules, as they're written, have not been broken. The site is British and it follows British laws. You, however, have broken them by harassing the user and mentioning words that are actually inappropriate in the English language. We are fine with people spreading awareness, but it stops when they try to force their own beliefs unto others.
The name of W"ndigo Beach is actively being fought by the Native community. It's not the "gotcha!" you think it is. The term is used (inappropriately) by garbage human beings who have gotten away with it and will continue to do so because of people like you who will never uphold any kind of justice for anyone but themselves. You have failed. You have failed, and you have defended your failure by attempting to deflect it. This is not the same as having the name of Old Gods. This is having a name equivalent to celebrating the lynching of the African American community. This is a name equivalent to saying "I support Nazis". This is a name that is, at its core, supporting pure evil. Your staff may be "diverse" but it is obviously still filled with narrow minded individuals who will step on the nA community to try and boost themselves. I am saddened. I am disgusted. I hope none of you are in any real position of authority around children because you are teaching them to do that which the British have always done: destroy, disregard, deflect. You have failed, and will continue to do so until you are capable of looking past your own biases to realize that you are wrong and you are disgusting in your defense of the status quo instead of justice.Â
Eltafez â 09/Jun/2020 18:06 Since it doesnât look like your mind is going to change, Iâll do us both a favor and bid you a good day.
Gargle my dick and balls
And thus ended all communication with staff
Donât let them get away with this, and donât let them get away with thinking that they can do whatever they like (or nothing) without any consequence. Idleness is complicity, and they are sending the dangerous message that racism is tolerated. âWe donât support racism in any formâ and âweâre not gonna do anything about cultural appropriation thoâ cannot co-exist.Â
#pokefarm#pokefarm q#eltafez pokefarm#eltafez pokefarm q#racism tw#racism#cultural appropriation#wendig*ag
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Hey same anon, I didn't mean to make my ask sound like it was calling out ship. I was just saying that some people are more hesitant in making their ship public or supporting their ship because they feel like they will be shamed. One reason D+C ship keeps winning polls and stuff could be because that ship doesn't mind advertising their ship or making it known, with them they have less fear of being in the mainstream. Thank you for not being mean, I just don't know if my point is getting across.
Hi again Anon,
Thanks for the clarification. We get so many messages demanding that we justify our ship, usually from purity wankers and/or Destihellers, that it gets really tiresome. Iâm glad to know that this wasnât your intent.
IMO the reason why D*stiel wins those silly clickbait polls isnât about Wincest shippers being ashamed--after all, those things are generally anonymous, so no one knows who voted for what. And if you go through most Wincest blogs here (or LJ, Discord, etc.), I doubt the impression youâll get of how we feel is shame. Instead, itâs all about how content the various shippers are with their ship.
You see, the vast majority of Wincest shippers are perfectly happy with our ship exactly how it is. As I said in my previous response, itâs already 90% canon, and we get plenty of lovely brother content with nearly every episode. Most of us understand that that last 10% wonât ever happen onscreen, and weâre absolutely fine with it. Weâre more than content to enjoy the brothersâ amazing platonic bond in canon and save the rest for fan fiction, fan art, etc. And because weâre so satisfied with our ship, weâre generally not worried about othersâ opinion of it. Â
As a result, when these useless polls pop up, I suspect most of us donât bother to participate because we know they donât mean anything--winning or losing them wonât change the brothersâ relationship or anything else on the show. Thatâs also why we donât hassle other fans about Wincest online or bring it up to the cast and crew at conventions or whatever, because we donât need their validation to enjoy our ship.
On the other hand, there seem to be a lot of D/C shippers who arenât so happy with their ship as it is. D*stiel has next to no basis in canon, and Dean and Castiel donât interact with each other much any more--but thereâs nothing inherently wrong with that, since thatâs what fan fiction and the rest is for. Rather than being content with shipping D/C in fanon though, too many of them get obsessed with what theyâll never have--i.e. âcanonâ D*stiel. Â
So these shippers flock to those polls, harass people on SM or at conventions, and so on in the desperate hope that if they get enough people to agree with them, theyâll get what they want. They fail to understand the core nature of both the show (that SPN is about family, not romance, and revolves around the brothersâ bond) and the fandom (that we shippers are a tiny minority, and the vast majority of SPN viewers donât want any ship onscreen), and thatâs actually rather sad.
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