#(Lying)

[antivillain]

Speaking as an autistic person who's never been great at lying...... I've found a good work around when I do need to is taking a page out of fairytales. Specifically, the fae, who can't lie, but definitely don't always tell the truth.

"My friend isn't here." They're in the attic, not right here.

"I haven't seen them recently." Recent is relative.

"Are they in trouble? I've been so worried about them." A question, and something that is definitely true even if it implies that you're worried cause you don't know where they are.

"Why would you think that?" Again, a question that implies the answer is no, but doesn't state it outright and could let you know who snitched.

"I'll keep an eye out." Yeah you will. For more fuckers after your friend.

Anyway, it obviously isn't a good idea to stop and pause and compose the perfect response in your head that makes it clear you're figuring out how not to tell them shit. And actually lying to protect people is completely valid!! But having a few of these in your back pocket can help if you need a good work around.

Successful real life example (with much lower stakes):

Friend: did you get me as your Yuletide assignment?

Me: hahaha that would be so funny if I did!!!

(I had, in fact. And it WAS so funny.)

[mxjackparker]

Begging some of you to lie more when faced with people who have power over you, who are creating barriers between you and things you need.

Something's wrong with your body, but your doctor won't take it seriously? Exaggerate your loss of function and the severity of the problem.

Gender therapist asks about dysphoria in childhood, when deciding whether to refer you for HRT, but you conformed strongly or experienced low/no dysphoria then? You tell them you played with trucks/dolls (whichever is NOT stereotypical for your agab), begged for clothing associated with your gender, and have always been dysphoric.

Job asks if you have reliable transportation to work, or an employer outright asks if you have a car, and you actually have to rely on the bus? You say yes! As long as you show up, it won't be a problem.

Landlord says no pets, and you can't find a home to move into that will take your cat? Say you don't have one, have a friend house your pet for move-in day, and collect your cat and make arrangements if the landlord is ever planning to stop by.

Lying is one of your strongest tools to protect yourself from authority figures making your life more difficult.

[butterburd]

He's posting them on his parental controlled facebook (friendsbooks)

[adragonsfriend-sideblog]

This might be the funniest possible way to tell people that Boyle kills Jake at the end of Brooklyn 99

it is absolutely true that every character in death note is in a completely different piece of media from every other character. light thinks he's in law and order. L is in columbo, as columbo. misa is in a sabrina carpenter song and rem is in a chappell roan song. to ryuk this is all the three stooges. soichiro is in taken and matsuda is in brooklyn 99 and aizawa is in disco elysium. this is mikami's silence of the lambs and you're living in it. mello will either make this whole situation into twilight or die trying, and near? well. near is in death note.

[tizzymcwizzy]

so..... there's another blonde guy................

[rickybabyboy]

ive never been tiwed in my life i dont know w

ID: Orange and white tabby sitting on a sofa with his back against the arm of it with his eyes completely closed, his head leaned back and his paws tucked together

[all-encompasing-mossball]

Promoting "Racial science" isn't a good look

But I don't even know what the subreddit thing is even about, you must be fighting a lot of people after that.

Edit: scrolling back through your shouting matches tells me, you like lying

I said looking at r/Karen and r/publicfreakout(the people who coined Karen) shows you how Karen is used

You preferred to just Google Karen and listen to the AI slop.

Frenology is a form of race science, dipshit

"you're comparing geology and mineral studies"

transgenderism and transracialism are the exact same bullshit to me. i don't get how one's valid and the other's not.

[autball]

No one wants to be lied to. When it comes from another adult, you feel betrayed. When it comes from your kids, you feel that PLUS a responsibility to make it stop ASAP, before it becomes a “thing” that reflects badly on you as a parent. 

But a lot of people are going about doing that all wrong. Lying is actually a normal developmental milestone that starts when kids realize they can know things that other people don’t. Lying is also often a stress response, meaning it’s a symptom of another problem and can even happen involuntarily.

BUT ALSO, some people, and Autistic and ADHD folks in particular, are being accused of lying when that’s not even what’s happening.

Neurodivergent people perceive the world differently. Y’know, because we’re literally wired differently. But I see people assuming their ND kids and partners are lying *all the time* instead of considering the possibility that our different wirings simply led to different perceptions.

Lying is when the person knows that what they're saying is not the truth. If a person truly believes that what they're saying, that their *own perception of the world,* is the truth, that's not really lying, is it?

And it’s not that Autistics and ADHDers are incapable of lying, of course, or that nothing should be done about it if lying truly does become a problem. You’re gonna wanna be sure that’s what you’re dealing with before you try to do anything about it, though.

You’re also gonna need to understand that it’s about more than “moral failing” and “bad character” if you don’t want to make it worse. Because what do you think is gonna happen when you heap a bunch of stress in the form of shame and punishment onto a person who is already struggling with lying as a stress behavior??

And so I present this list of possibilities to consider when your person’s version of events isn’t lining up with yours (or their teacher’s, or their sibling’s, or whomever else it may be).

Related note: If “inconsistencies in reporting” are coming from school, please keep in mind that teachers often don’t see everything that happened to your child with their own eyes (because their attention is pulled in many directions), and that bullies who will rile your kid up on purpose and then lie about what happened are an unfortunate reality for many ND kids. In other words, please don’t assume that your child is the one who has it wrong when their version of events differs from others’ without also considering the reliability/motivations of the other witnesses.

[darkrooklobby]

liar, liar

[undead-knick-knack]

[incognitopolls]

We ask your questions so you don’t have to! Submit your questions to have them posted anonymously as polls.

[whumpster-dumpster]

"You lied to me!"

"Oh, please. You were so desperate to lie to yourself, all I had to do was let you believe it."

[furiousgoldfish]

I hate how abusive parents love to imply that you know nothing about the 'real world', as if they're sheltering you and protecting you from the big evil out there, so you're 'naive and innocent' and don't know how bad it is outside, but what they're really 'sheltering' you from are survival skills and vital knowledge of how to function in the world! They sure are not sheltering you from evil! They're not sheltering you from abuse! They're not sheltering you from cruelty and violence and apathy in the face of suffering! They're not sheltering you from how it feels to be unprotected and isolated in an environment in dangerous individuals! You have all possible experiences of that! You have intimate and extended knowledge of that! You even know how to survive living with them! But self care and taxes, that is the gatekept information. God forbid you know how to live independently.

[natalieironside]

I'm actually bestest friends with the first man on the moon and we hang out all the time and he thinks I'm awesome. No, not Neil Armstrong, a different guy who went to a different moon. A better moon that you don't know about.

[reasonsforhope]

"“Always ask yourself: Why is this lying bastard lying to me?” Perhaps these blunt words of advice for journalists interviewing politicians, attributed to the late foreign correspondent Louis Heren, have endured because they are seen as self-evidently true. That politicians lie is viewed as established fact. 

Public confidence in lawmakers plunged to a record low last year in the wake of Partygate and other scandals: only 9% of British adults polled by Ipsos said that they trust politicians to tell the truth. Without trust, says Jennifer Nadel of the thinktank Compassion in Politics, faith in democracy is undermined. “If we can’t trust what politicians are saying, how can we decide who to vote for? We need to be able to rely on our politicians to tell the truth,” she explains. 

Compassion in Politics has long been campaigning to introduce criminal penalties for political lying, with a petition launched in 2019 attracting more than 200,000 signatures. In a surprise move two days before the UK’s general election, the Welsh government committed to passing legislation that would make lying illegal for Senedd members and candidates, having previously opposed the measure. Under the plans, those found guilty of deliberate deception by an independent judicial process would be disqualified from office. 

“We’re excited and optimistic,” Nadel says. “It’s unprecedented that the government has agreed to take this measure forward.” Although some countries have limited penalties for politicians who lie during election campaigning or when giving evidence to committees, Wales is the first in the world to propose legislation that would apply more broadly to lawmakers and candidates. 

Compassion in Politics’ next challenge is to persuade Westminster to follow suit by banning MPs and parliamentary candidates from lying.  

The campaign sprung from concern at the rapid normalisation of lies in politics. “We are slipping at an alarming speed into a post-truth era,” says Nadel. “We only have to look at what is happening in the United States.”

Fact-checkers at the Washington Post found that Donald Trump made 30,573 false or misleading claims during his presidency, averaging about 21 a day. “America is a warning of what can happen if this problem is allowed to go unchecked,” Nadel believes. “[Our proposals] are designed to stop [the UK] from getting to that stage.” 

Polling shows wide public approval for the measure, with 72% backing criminal penalties for politicians found guilty of deliberate lying in an Opinium survey conducted for Compassion in Politics in May. Though it is not yet clear whether Wales would make lying a criminal offence, Nadel says: “If the same goal of disqualifying politicians who deliberately misrepresent the facts can be achieved through using the civil law, then we’re happy.” 

A private member’s bill to ban lying in Westminster, introduced by Plaid Cymru MP Liz Saville Roberts in 2022, had cross-party support. “We will be looking to build [on that] and win the support of the Labour government to introduce the measure,” Nadel says... 

“I think it’s important to signal a different set of norms, and try to arrest a slide towards the acceptability of attempts to deceive in public life.” 

For Compassion in Politics, another challenge is persuading doubters that banning lying in politics is even possible. “There’s this belief that it’s too complex to stop,” says Nadel, who qualified as a barrister. “But the law prevents fraudulent misrepresentation in other walks of life. This is something that courts adjudicate on all the time. Why shouldn’t it apply to politicians?”"

-via Positive.News, July 26, 2024