#(Babylon 5 - season 5 episode 14)

[etlu-yume]

We just had one tonight in an episode of Babylon 5 that was made in the mid 90's and it's even more true today than it was back then.

"Never assume no one can listen in on a private channel"

[noneorother]

I bought Aziraphale's Bible so you don't have to.

Am I insane? Yes. Was it worth it? Maybe. In most* of both season 1 and season 2 of GO, there's a very specific Bible on a bookstand next to Aziraphale's desk. It's a vintage illustrated plate book by Harold Copping, known as the Harold Copping Bible, published by the religious tract society in London in 1910. It features some of the most well known Old Testament stories, summarized and annotated by the Bishop of Durham at the time, and illustrated by Copping, who was freshly returned from a sojourn in the middle east. Ironically, It was meant as a lay-person's version of a comic book, short, exciting by use of exotic illustrations, and easy to read.

But my (expensive) gain is now your gain! As I've collected here every visible page in both seasons for your reading and viewing pleasure.

Season 1: All episodes Adam & Eve Genesis iii (1:3) / HCB page 10

Season 2: Episode 1 Joseph known to his brethren Genesis xlv (1:45) / HCB Page 28

S2E1 14:21, S2E1 17:41, S2E1 39:45

Season 2: Episode 2 Jacob's vow Genesis xxviii (1:28) / HCB Page 22

S2E2 5:49

Season 2: Episode 2 Joseph known to his brethren Genesis xlv (1:45) / HCB Page 28

S2E2 13:38 (see S2E1 above)

Season 2: Episode 2 The Brazen Serpent Numbers xxi (4:21) / HCB page 36

S2E2 16:12, 43:40

Season 2: Episode 2* Bible on the desk, Magazine on the stand Annuel L'art Pour Tous, Cover (1861-1880 most likely)

S2E2 22:10

The French L'art pour tous industrial design periodical will have to be a story for another post. For now, just enjoy this 1880 edition copperplate of cherubs discovering a microscope...

Season 2: Episode 2 Imaginary page from HCB, Job KJV Job (18:1) / HCB N/A

S2E2 22:29, S2E2 40:05 Obviously, the plate illustrations and text look different here than in the real bible, because they were created for the show. But there are a few more particularities here. For one, this layout with the thin grid around the text, as well as the paragraph symbol next to the first title, indicate that this would have been a printer's proof copy, not a finished book. It shows you the layout grid and can be annotated for changes. Second, there seems to be a war going on between fonts. Where the "chapter" of Job begins, we get a font and a style similar to the original bible, which gets rudely interrupted by a dropped capital (from the real book) and a Gothic-style font/verse numbers like in the original King James version of the printed Bible.

Season 2: Episode 3 The Brazen Serpent NUMBERS xxi (4:21) / HCB page 36

S2E3 1:18 (see episode 2)

Season 2: Episode 5 By the Rivers of Babylon Pslam cxxxvii (19:137) / HCB page 52

S2E5 21:20

Season 2: Episode 6 Bible missing, L'art pour Tous on the stand Annuel L'art Pour Tous, Cover (1861-1880 most likely)

S2E6 10:21, 17:21, 18:15, 34:28 (see episode 2)

Season 2: Episode 6 Closed HCB, L'art pour Tous on the stand behind HCB page 0

S2E6 37:58, 44:20, 48:08

[webweabings]

HOW CAN I FEEL SO LONELY?

Friedrich Nietzsche; // “Foolin’ “, (1983), by Def Leppard; // “There All the Honor Lies” on Babylon 5, Season 4 Episode 14; // Unknown; // Unknown; // “Alone in a Crowd – Extending Ourselves as a Companion” (2022), by Caren McLane; // Iris Kolrick, “Shadownova”, by Mark Alda; // “Dark blue”, by Jack’s Mannequin. /// All pictures by Alex Prager, “Face in the Crowd” (Short 2013).

[reflections-in-a-critical-eye]

Hi M, how are you? Coming after the high of Shogun's yesterday's win at the Emmy's made me wonder if you have a favourite historical movie or tv show that is underrated or in the category more-people-should-watch-this? Hopefully you indulge in this type of movie. 😊

For example, for me, one such movie is "Master and Commander: The Far side of the World" :brilliant ensemble cast all across the board, good chemistry between the main leads, engaging story, very good soundtrack, fx that still hold, 99% hystorically accurate 😂 but despite this not many have heard or watched this movie.

Have a nice day!

P.S. can't believe that tomorrow the last episode of AYS will air 😭.

Hi @shimako! Sorry for answering your question late, but I postponed it because I kept trying to think of a list. And honestly, I saw the words historical drama and forgot the underrated part so this is a bit of a disaster, but I'll make it work. Let's just say this is an incomplete list of tv shows that had an impact on me at the time and ages that I had when I watched them. And you'll see that I barely remember the plot, but I sort of know how I felt.

1. Rome

Is this underrated? Hell no! But perhaps in today's age of tv, a lot of people have forgotten about that show. Only two seasons, but it was among the first batch of prestige tv in the middle of the 2000s. I liked it so much that it made go to the bookstore and buy a book about Caesar. If I went through my Egypt phase in middle school, then my Ancient Rome period came in high school.

2. The Borgias

At the time of its runtime, I think it was pretty big. Although I don't think it won many awards. I also remember it being used as an example on scholarly papers about Hollywood using Eastern and Central European studios because of cheap labor and good locations. Budapest and Prague can replace Florence, lol.

The Borgias was naughty. And it had Jeremy Irons who is a fantastic actor in my opinion. Eventually they actually leaned heavily into the siblings relationship which I thought was daring. They went there 👀. And the costumes were so beautiful!.

3. The Tudors

I remember this show through the eyes of a 13-14 year old that developed a massive crush on the actor portraying Henry the VIII. This was like the rock'n'roll version of the story. And it was sexy. A bit over the top. A stepping stone for some actors that would become a lot more famous in the years to come. I think it was on HBO so probably not underrated at the time, but mostly forgotten nowadays.

4. Versailles

I can't remember if it's French or they talk in English. But it was lots of fun. And really gay. They didn't stay away from that. That's all I remember, but give it a try.

5. Taboo

This is that show with a really brooding Tom Hardy who remains like that throughout the story. But if you're interested in 1800s London and England's imperialist plan and its effects on colonized territories, this might be it.

6. Babylon Berlin

I don't know if this fits into the list, but it is a great portrayal of 1920s Berlin. A period in which artistic freedom and experimentation was at its height, but also juxtaposed with political unrest, creating this environment that would lay the ground for the rise of the fascist party. It's a german show, an HBO production and I like that it's not glamourized. You can see it in their clothes, their hygiene habits, their visible sweat and run down outfits they wear in clubs. It feels real.

7. Black Sails

I first heard of this when I wanted to watch more Toby Stephens movies/series but I almost stayed away because it was a Michael Bay production. Black Sails is so smart. At first, it might lure in the wrong audience, even based on the first trailer. It looks like a pirate show full of action sequences and machismo. And then you actually watch it and it flips that exact narrative. It is a direct critique of imperialism. It is also such a good case for any film and gender & queer studies analysis. But more than that, what really sealed the deal for me in what is considered a grade B series with grade B actors, is the meta-textual discourse on storytelling. It's about creating those pirate legends, of creating narratives to protect themselves against the empire. And all that is unfolded through brilliant lines of dialogue. It still remains a 10/10 tv show for me and the actual underrated one.

[dumb-zombie-girl]

Rating supernatural episodes

Since I'm on season 2, we're gonna start with those episodes

This is just my opinion if you don't like where I've put episodes then scroll don't be rude

1. In my time of dying (2×01)

2. All hell breaks loose part 1 ( 2×21)

3. All hell breaks loose part 2 (2×22)

4. Simon says (2×05) & tall tales ( 2×15)

5. Bloodlust (2×03),born under a bad sign (2×14) & folsom prison blues (2×19)

6. Everybody loves a clown (2×02)

7. Children shouldn't play with dead things ( 2×04)

8. No exit ( 2×06), roadkill ( 2×16) & what is and what should never be ( 2×20)

9. Hollywood Babylon ( 2×18)

10. Heart ( 2×17)

The only reason why heart is at ten is because of the ending. If the ending of the episode didn't happen, it would have been a different rating

If I can remember, I'll do the other seasons

[woodsfae]

Babylon 5 s02e17: Knives S02 Table of Contents • previous episode

They have the space for an entire baseball field, but the hydroponics is so starved for space that one single coffee plant is wildly against regulations and is a secret passed from Laurel (my beloved) to Susan (also my beloved)?

Love the scary stories of the Down Below. It's deeply weird, though, how Garibaldi continues to be a voice of reason to Sheridan. Good character work, I guess, and I like Garibaldi a bit better the further into the season I get.

There are so many strange details thrown at us about various characters, and it definitely makes them feel more real Londo and Vir are very into Centauri opera. Of course they are, hah. This Centauri has a funny 'do. Is it shorter because he's more srs? His general look seems to be of a different style than Londo, and is reminiscent of a western casual, gentleman or scholarly look of the later 19th century.

Of course Sheridan went Down Below alone right after Garibaldi said that was a bad idea, and of course he found a corpse-turned-assailant-turned-corpse-again immediately.

Corpse reviving temporarily kills comms! Interesting!

Garibaldi: "Maybe next time you'll listen when I tell you not to do something. Sir."

lmao.

Dead Alien was staying in the Markab Sector, but was found in the Grey Sector, Down Below.

Fingers crossed for a Sheridan Gets Possessed By A Ghost episode.

Cute, Centauri war criminal nicknames.

Cool and creepy eye effect! Invisible Space Dinosaur called a Grylor!! This is great.

Forensics say the murdered alien actually bashed his own skull in and died of suicide. Seems unlikely.

Awww, Londo is still hung up on Adira from season one.

Londo: "The Centauri have bowed to the whims of other races for too long. Now we will show the galaxy our true spirit. Beginning with those, those, thrice-damned Narns."

Translation: "It sucks that we reined in some of our slave-empire colonization due to pressure from races who didn't like the violent, murdering colonizing. It's good to be back at it."

Huh, old war buddy is against the war and didn't want to see the Narns forced into military conflict. And doesn't realize he's talking to the guy who helped orchestrate all of it. Londo was either the best or the worst person to come to for help when your house is about to be disgraced. Idk which way Londo's going to jump or how this is going to land. On the one hand, Londo could chuck his old friend under the bus for his own gain. Or he could really save this guy's political reputation.

Of course Londo has a portrait of himself in his quarters. That's giving him some serious side-eye.

Susan Ivanova!!

Sheridan: "Commander. Everything in order?" Ivanova: "Remarkably so. It's beginning to worry me." Sheridan: "Do you always worry when things are going well?" Ivanova: "I don't have time to when they're not."

Sheridan gets more, fun, hallucinations! This is definitely normal and not something he should report to Dr Franklin. Anna keeps coming up which feeds my theory that she's still alive.

Oh, he did go report it to Franklin! Good move. Smartypants. Franklin is amusingly dismissive of this.

Dr Franklin: "Well, anyone wiling to command Babylon 5 has got to be slightly insane, but I don't think you're ready for the asylum just yet."

LMAO. What's a little hallucination or four compared to how nuts you have to be to take this job voluntarily?

Oh, interesting. The Markab sector is named after a people also called Markab?

Dr Franklin: "I'm also prescribing a mild sedative. I want you to relax and enjoy yourself - that is an order!"

aka, here's some oxys, go nuts?

Extremely cutthroat Centauri politics perfectly punctuated by Vir, here:

"You know, on rare occasions, I am proud to be your attache."

hah! He really is gaining in confidence.

Ahhh the Markab went through sector 14, which has been restricted since B4 disappeared and briefly re-appeared. dun dun dun!

I wonder if JMS realized that Garibaldi was wholly unlikable and shifted the writing for his character intentionally. Every time he's on screen the last few episodes, I find him easier and easier to like. Or maybe his relapse into alcoholism and subsequent recovery really shook some sense into him? He's funny and endearing now, in a way he wasn't for me since the pilot, The Gathering.

Centauri party. Always a good time to cringe out of my skin. Nothing has happened yet, but there's plenty of time left in the episode for it.

Of course the very person Londo went to for help is the one that has been trying to wreck the Laddo house. And of course Londo didn't know. He's so smug in his great political knowledge and power, but he ignored Centauri politics until something piques his interest and then he acts without knowing the details.

Vocator Laddo: "You cannot build an empire based on slaughter and deceit!"

well, actually I think that's the only way to build an empire and collect that much power, but you gotta start somewhere.

Death match!! Can't wait.

More possession and hallucinations for Sheridan!

Vir: "Disgrace is preferable to death!" Londo: "There was a time when I would agree with you! That time has passed." Vir: "Londo, this is insane!" Londo: "Insanity is part of the times! It's time to embrace the madness, let it fire you."

Maybe that really is the key. Or maybe I shouldn't take advice from Londo Mollari.

Sheridan and Garibaldi are heading to the restricted Sector 14!

Urza Laddo is much better at sword fighting than Londo is. But since I'm pretty sure Londo is in this show for the long run, this can't end with him being dead.

Garibaldi snagged Sheridan's ship, but did he get Sheridan's mind? This sector really does have some janky phenomena going on.

Damn, setting yourself up to be killed by one of your oldest friends so your family doesn't get disgraced by your political opponents is a move.

Sheridan's mind did come back with him, but he did leave behind a consciousness which wanted to be taken home. Weirdness abounds on B5!

House Laddo is no more, and its members are now House Mollari and under Londo's direct protection. That's an interesting cultural mechanism to make sure that people don't go into death matches too lightly. If you win, you get a whole fuckload of new dependents! I could also see people doing that to gain power over particular dependents, though.

Londo: "I have made many choices lately, Vir. And for the first time, I am not sure those choices were right." Vir, tired of being the Jiminy Cricket to the worlds' worst Pinocchio: "Then perhaps some good has come out of this tragedy! It's not too late to make some good choices." Londo buying into the Sunk Cost Fallacy: "No, the blood is already on my hands. Right or wrong, I must follow the path to its end."

It's a real bummer that killing one of his oldest and dearest friends isn't enough to make Londo actually change some of what he's up to or to second-guess some aspects of Centauri culture..

next episode

[thenovotnys]

Queer as Folk (US) Locations - Main Locations

This part includes Babylon, Woody's, Liberty Diner, gyms, houses, workplaces and schools. Most of these places are only for outdoor scenes. The indoor was shot on studio or other locations.

The Hangouts

1. Babylon

The entrance of the club is on Duncan Street, and the pole where Justin leans on is on the corner of Duncan Street and Nelson Street. I'm not sure if the pole still exists, and the parking lot is now a building. (from episode 101)

2. Woody's

Woody's (and Moosies in episode 413) is at 467 Church Street. (from episode 102)

3. Liberty Diner

During the show, the diner is on two locations. On season 1-2, the diner is at 894 Queen Street West. On season 3-4, the diner moves to 354 King Street East. (from episode 102 and 409)

4. The Gym

The gym is also on two locations. On season 1, the gang works out at 675 Yonge Street. Later, they work out on other gym at 258 The Esplanade. It seems that both gyms are no longer exist. (from episode 102 and 403)

The Houses

5. Brian's loft

Brian lives at 6 Church Street. (from episode 307)

6. Michael's apartment and house

Michael and Emmett, and later with Ben and Hunter lives at 7 Glen Road. On season 5, the boys move to Brooklyn Avenue. (from episode 314 and 501)

7. Melanie and Lindsay's house

During the show, the girls and Gus live in two houses. The first one, on season 1, 3-5, they live at 178 Crawford Street. On season 2, they live on Kendal Avenue. (from episode 513 and 213)

However, it seems that the second house is also where Lindsay's parents live. (from episode 207 and 213)

8. Debbie's house

Debbie's house is the most inconsistent during the show. I noticed that there are five houses and three back parts of the house.

On season 1, Debbie, Vic and later Justin live on Beatrice Street. However, I cannot locate the alleys/backyard where other scenes take place. (from episode 108, 117 and 121)

On season 2, Debbie and Vic move to 87 Crawford Street. The backyard where they rake the leaves is on Lane South Queen East Shaw. (from episode 214 and 207)

On season 4, Debbie and Emmett live in two houses. The first one is on Bellwoods Avenue. The second one is on Heward Avenue. (from episode 406 and 412)

On season 5, Debbie and Emmett live on Bertmount Avenue. (from episode 501)

9. Justin's house (and Daphne's)

On season 1, The Taylors live on Bobwhite Crescent. After they sell the house, they move to Mendota Road. (from episode 102 and 201)

Daphne lives on Bobwhite Crescent, too. Just like the OG UK version, where the teens live on the same street. (from episode 104)

10. Vic and Rodney's house

The men now get their own place on Gloucester Street. (from episode 405 and 406)

11. Other places

David and Michael live on Taylorwood Drive

The Kinneys live on Lanor Avenue

Ben lives in an apartment on St. Joseph Street, but that particular scene is on Irwin Avenue

(from episode 111, 115 and 209)

The Workplaces and Schools

12. Brian's office and Kinnetik

The show wants us to think that Brian works on Metro Hall. However, I'm not sure if both Ryder Advertising and Vangard Advertising are in there. It looks like both places are inside other actual building rather than studio. (from episode 114, 217 and 306)

Later, Brian opens his own agency, Kinnetik, on ex Bathhouse on Nicholson Lane. (from episode 403)

13. Melanie's office

Melanie and the partners' law firm is at 3 Sultan Street. (from episode 121)

14. Michael's supermarket and comic book store

Michael used to work at Big Q, which was on actual store called Zellers at 1255 The Queensway (now closed). Later, he opens his own comic book store at 607A Queen Street West. (from episode 112 and 409)

15. Other places

Emmett works at Torso, which is at 880 Queen Street West (near the Diner on season 1-2).

The source says that the classes scenes are in Seneca College. However, I cannot locate those places.

16. Justin and Daphne's school

They studied at Ursula Franklin Academy. Some scenes were taken on Evelyn Crescent. (from episode 104)

17. Hunter's school

On season 3-4, The Susquehanna High School is on Jarvis Collegiate Institute, 495 Jarvis Street. On season 5, it looks like Hunter goes to different school, which I cannot locate. (from episode 313 and 505)

Previous: Introduction

Next list: Queer as Folk Locations - Season 1

[j2spntranscripts]

★ 2007 SDCC

Official name: Comic-Con International 2007 (Supernatural Screening and Q&A) Location: San Diego Convention Center, Room 6CDEF, San Diego, California Time: Saturday, July 28, 2007, 2:45-3:45 (GMT-8) Panelists: Craig Tomashoff, Jensen Ackles, Eric Kripke, Ben Edlund, Sera Gamble Last episode: 2x22 "All Hell Breaks Loose Part 2" May 17, 2007 Next episode: 3x01 "The Magnificent Seven" - Oct 4, 2007

Question Index: 1- First Comic Con experience (Kripke, Jensen, Gamble) 2A- Season 3 teasers (Kripke) 2B- Season 3 Plan (Kripke) 3A- New Characters "Ruby, Bela" (Kripke, Jensen, Edlund) 3B- New characters (Jensen) 4- Returning Characters (Gamble) 5- Dean's 1 year 6- Sam and Dean fun, Pre-finale thoughts, spn's main theme (Jensen, Kripke) 7A- Hollywood Babylon 2x18 (Edlund, Kripke) 7B- Hollywood Babylon 2x18 "Exec Notes" (Kripke, ) 8- Origin "Reaction" (Kripke) 9A- Favorite Episode (Gamble) 9B- Favorite Episode (Jensen) 9C- Favorite Episode (Kripke) 9D- Favorite Episode (Edlund) Int- Charity "Fandom Rocks" (Kripke, J2) 10- Impala 67 "Engine" (Kripke, Jensen) 11- Mary and Azazel (Kripke) 12- Paranormal on Set (Jensen) 13- Pranks (Kripke, Jensen) 14- Favorite One liners "Dean" 15- Deleted Scenes (Kripke, Jensen) 16- Pre-series Sam and Dean (Kripke, Jensen) 17- Cinematography; "Tall actors" (Kripke, Jensen) 18- Impala 67 "Sam driving" (Jensen, Kripke) 19- SPN Music "Album/Playlist" (Kripke, Jensen) 20A- Set Mishaps (Jensen) 20B- SPN Music "Film Reel" (Kripke, Jensen) 21- Season 2 DVD "Promos" (Kripke) 22- SPN Music "Deciding" (Kripke)

(video playlist and transcript below the cut)

(*if you notice any mistakes in the video transcripts or found more video coverage of the con please point them out thanks*👍)

◘Supernatural at Comic Con 2007 Part 1 by hmfergie◘

Holly Ollis is on stage, standing in front of the podium mic with Craig Tomashoff sitting beside her. To the right of Ollis is a long clothed table with mics and name cards for each of attending panelists.

Holly Ollis: Okay, I have a little news for you first. Um, Jared Padalecki really wanted to be here today. (audience aw’s) But, unfortunately he was working making.. the first episode of the new season of the show till six in the morning and missed his flight. (audience aw’s) So, I’m sorry. However! (holds finger up) we have Jensen Ackles in the house, (audience cheers) (briefly raises up her fists in cheer) who will more than make up for it, and (gestures to the right of the stage) in addition to our other producers. (audience chuckles)

And- Yeah, no pressure. And I just wanted to introduce our moderator. It’s the West Coast Bureau Chief for TV Guide, Mister Craig Tomashoff. (audience claps) (?He’s getting to introduce?) you into the show and some videos, and then he’ll be back to introduce our panel. (audience cheers and claps)

Ollis exits the stage. Tomashoff stands up and takes the podium.

Tomashoff: Thank-Thank you guys, uh, for coming. I- I’m actually totally fascinated by the concept of the Winchester girls. Um. (audience screams) (holds out hands) Hey, I don’t know if you rank out, by the way, but I could always use that sort of fanbase. So. (audience laughs) (?Everything- Everything-?)

Audience member: (?Orange Howage?) has TV Guide in the TV. (audience cheers and claps)

Tomashoff: Alright. (shrugs) Thanks for letting me on to the, uh, the feedback. And, uh, just get me my own crew and then we’re set.

Um, I just wanted to say something, like, really quick. It’s actually an, uh, honor moderating for this one. I’ve been doing a lot of- of over this weekend but, uh, I actually really love the show. I’m just e-excited (audience woo’s) (?And apparently you’re too excited..?) (gestures hand) (?to be here one time?) (?) (audience claps and cheers)

It’s just that the- the beauty of the TV reminds you of, like, as a kid you just stay up late to (gestures) watch, like, the Chiller Theater and all that kind of stuff. Only you, like, (raises hands up) get into this show and get the excitement.. uh, without the used car ads and all that kind of stuff. It-It- It’s just- It’s-It’s a really entertaining show, one of the most fun that we have on TV.

Audience member: Yeah! (audience cheers)

Tomashoff: So, what- I wanna tell you what we have coming up for you before we get to our panel. Uh, we have a couple of surprises, uh, and things for you to look at. Uuum, first of all, we have, uh- uh.. a world premiere of a “Script to Screen,” uh, video. It’s going to be from the season 2 dvd collection, uh, (audience cheers) Sept. 11th. A beside the scenes making of last season’s season finale. Which I’m going to guess you all know the name of.

Audience: “All Hell Breaks Loose, Part 2!”

Tomashoff: All- All, uh, “All Hell Breaks Loose”.. (holds two fingers up) “Part 2” (audience cheers) Uuuum, It just shows why they never leave the gates of hell open, by the way. (audience laughs) (holds up hand) If I could leave with any bit of advice today, never open ‘em. And, if you open ‘em (gestures) (?check?) it quickly. (audience laughs) Because nothing good is coming out. (audience laughs)

Um, we’re gonna follow that with a 2 in a half minute hightlight reel put together by the producers, exclusively for you guys. (audience cheers) (?) all the stuff, and we’ll be back.

Tomashoff leaves the podium and stage. Video skips to Tomashoff back at the podium.

Tomashoff: -(?Can’t these guys?) (?) like, one day j-just wake up, sleep late.. (audience laughs) get a sandwich, go to a movie.

◘Supernatural at Comic Con 2007 Part 2 by hmfergie◘

(0:00-H2)- introduction

Tomashoff is standing at the podium mic

Tomashoff: First up, producer, Sera Gamble.

The audience cheer and clap. Gamble walks across the stage to the far right of the stage to sit in the last seat with a name card.

◘Jensen Ackles at Comic Con 2007 by emyrize (0:00-0:34)◘

Tomashoff: Okay, next up, a-a man you’ll recognize, duh, Eric Kripke, (audience cheers and claps) executive producer and creator.

A stage assistant walks up to the front of the table and fixes a name card. Kripke walks up on stage and stops near the chair that is the third seat to the right of the podium. Kripke waves and then sits down. The woman leaves.

Tomashoff: Alright, uh- uh, a young man who’s, uh, you know, getting a break with the show. And, uh, hopefully, uh, things turn out for him pretty well. I think they might. Uh, Jensen Ackles.

The audience screams and claps. Jensen walks on stage. The stage assistant returns to the front of the table to signals to Jensen where to sit. Jensen waves at the crowd, touches Kripke’s shoulder and then sits to the left of Gamble.

Tomashoff: And the last, and never, never least in anyone’s hearts, co-E.P., Mr. Ben Edlund.

The audience cheers and claps. Gamble and Jensen clap. Edlund walks on stage and sits to the left of Kripke. Tomashoff leaves the podium and goes to sit in between Kripke and Jensen. The stage assistant taps on the table and then leaves.

◘TV Guide Supernatural Interview SDCC 2007 Pt 1 by Gonturan74◘

Tomashoff: Alright, first, thank- thank you guys for being here.

Kripke: No, thank you.

•(1:06-H2, 0:08-G1)-SDCC07;Q1- First Comic Con Experience (Kripke, Jensen, Gamble)

Tomashoff: (looks at his right) But it- Now, I, uh- (looks at towards his left) This is your first Comic-con, right? (Jensen and Gamble nod) (looks back to his right) Were your first like full-on Comic-Con experience for you guys?

Jensen shrugs and nods at Gamble. Gamble nods back.

◘Jenen Ackles/Eric Kripke talk about Season 3 by XKathy09X- (0:08-0:31)◘

Kripke: Yeah, we screened the, uh, Pilot, uh, a couple years about, but, uh, none of us were here, so this is (raises hand) our first interaction with, uh, Comic-Con. We’re overwhelmed. (audience cheers and claps) So, thanks for showing up!

Tomashoff: (looks at Jensen) Um, w-what do y’all think so far? (shrugs) What would you rate the experience?

Jensen: I’m- I’m still- I’m waiting for my heart race to.. (waves to himself) (audience and Kripke laughs) (?um, stop racin- stop racing.?)

Gamble: That’s more cameras than I’ve (raises hand) ever seen pointed- (laughs). (audience laughs) (laughs to Jensen) I should sit next to you all the time. (audience and Jensen laugh)

Tomashoff: Alright. So (?I think?) the only problem you’re going to have today is people aren’t very enthusiastic. (audience chuckles) (to the audience) So, I think, uhh, you’ll have to amp it up a little bit for these guys. That would be great.

Um, yeah. I guess, ehhh, what I want to do is sort of start with the end, with the finale we saw a little bit of. Iiii- I mentioned before, y-you gotta know if you leave the Gates of Hell open… it’s not going to be good. So, um-

Kripke: No, no, it’s rarely good.

Tomashoff: Yeah, but a- a couple seconds, maybe.

•(2:02-H2,1:04-G1)-SDCC07;Q2A- Season 3 teasers (Kripke)

Tomashoff: So, what’s, uh, what’s in store? What, uh, what can you tell everybody that, uh, we got to look a little bit forward to?

Kripke: Yeah, uh.. You know, f-y- season 3 is the, um- a-a war time season. Uumm, which, uh, in the- it’s- it’s a giddy time inside the writers room. (audience chuckles) Uhhm, because, you know, we’ve had, you know, two seasons of.. mythology. And- and quite frankly, (undulates his hand and repeatedly nods) the mythology is starting to get.. a little complicated towards the end there. And, um, and so to be able to kind of.. (swipes) wipe it clean and have a fresh slate and (gestures) lead organically into, uh, you know, a-a-a much bigger escalation and a much more vital storyline.

Jensen is making an exaggerated face while pouring himself some water. The audience giggles.

Kripke: Which is, “it’s the end of the world,” like, “pick of arms, choose a side.” You know, “try to fight it,” ummm.. and, uh- and just, you know, “raise some hell.”

So, um, you know, we’re- we’re really excited, um, for this season. And we think, you know, we’ve always aimed for kind of like the big picture of mythic storytelling of like Star Wars, and Lord of the Rings, and Matrix. And, there’s always a point, in which.. you know, you kind of set the chess board, and it’s kind of time for the fun stuff to begin? And, it’s time for the fun stuff to begin. (audience cheers and claps. Jensen nods.)

Tomashoff: (?Season’s been-?) (shrugs) It’s been kind of fun so far. But, uh,

Kripke: Yeah, it’s been fun so far. But it, you know, it- it’s time for the battles and it’s time for the good stuff. And, we’ve been, like, the whole time when this show got picked up I was like, (prays) “Oh, please make it to season 3, because season 3 is when all hell breaks loose.” (audience giggles) And, uh, I’m glad that here we are. And, uh, and we’re looking to deliver for the fans. (audience cheers and claps)

•(3:27-H2, 2:29-G1)-SDCC07;Q2B – Season 3 Plan (Kripke)

Tomashoff: (?That said?) have you ever mapped it out? Have you mapped it out that much in advance? (Kripke: It’s-) Uh, have you mapped it out to (gestures) “Okay, we to season 3 we’re going to be here, and four and five.”

Kripke: Y-You have kind of like a rough map, you know? You very intentionally leave a large, gaping holes in it because (gestures) certain storylines..(nods) accelerate and certain storylines take longer than you think. But, yeah, (gestures) there’s like a rough plan that (looks at Tomashoff), you know, that we’re still, uh, vaguely on track with, yeah.

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•(3:51-H2, 0:00-G2)-SDCC07;Q3A- New Characters “Ruby and Bela” (Kripke, Jensen, Edlund)

Tomashoff: (?That said-?) Now, I know there’s, y’know, (opens hands) some things you can maybe say about the, uh, n-new season. Uh, some new characters. Uh, (Kripke nods: uh-huh) two, uh, female characters.

The audience starts clapping. Kripke points out into the audience and laughs. Jensen raises his eyebrows and claps. Gamble claps and then straightens her hair behind ears.

Tomashoff: (?) (nods and briefly gestures to the audience) uh, apparently the Winchester girls! Uh, (looks to his left) What can you guys tell us-

Jensen: Thank God. (audience laughs)

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Tomashoff: I see. So, well, how often have you had to go into the writers’ room and say, just, you know. “Come on.”

Jensen: Just anybody but Jared, for cryin’ out- (audience and Gamble laugh) Something! Someone! (smiles)

Gamble: You’re saying that now.

Jensen: (nods) Yeah. (smiles)

Tomashoff: That’s why he’s not here.

Jensen: Yes.

Tomashoff: So, uh- So, we can say those kinds of things. What- what can you say, uh, about the new, uh, (looks to Kripke) characters? The two new females that are coming in?

Kripke: Ummm- uh, Well, y’know, a- a couple of things. There’s- one is, and this is sort of to fans and certain misconceptions and whatnot. Um. (audience laughs. Jensen smiles) There- there not brought in to be the boy’s girlfriends. (Jensen shakes his head) There-there’s not going to be the four of them, like, riding in the impala, (The audience laughs. Jensen laughs to himself) like, eating Scooby-Snacks, and.. (audience laughs) You know. An-and, like, you know, and-and playing like- that’s not the intention at all.

There-there brought in to be, um, a-antagonists and obstacles to the boys. (Jensen nods his head) Um, they thread in and out of stories the same way a lot of our other characters did, like, uh, you know, Gordon, or Agent Hendrickson, or Bobby (audience woo) and Ellen. (a few audience woo’s and claps) And we’re working really hard to introduce them.. correctly and making them part of the fabric of the show that the-the universe was always going to expand, and there’s always going to be these new characters. And so- different characters.

And, so, we’re introducing them right. And, um- and they’re both very different. (Jensen nods) You know, Ruby is kind of unhinged and a little ruthless, a little dangerous. Um, tune in for episode two. There’s a big reveal on Ruby. She’s sort of (Jensen nods) not who she seems to be. Umm, and, uh, Bela, who I’ll let Ben because Ben Edlund created her.

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Edlund: Ah. (Jensen smiles. Some of the audience woo’s and claps) Hi, um, (audience laughs) Well, Bela is, uh, you know, in this world. Uh, pretty much everyone who’s got contact with the Supernatural, the stories we’ve been telling, they’re cause-based, right? I mean, like, it’s a- it’s a heroic struggle of good verses evil. And, Bela is designed to be, uh, not that. You know, she doesn’t really have a cause. She’s in it for herself. She is a, uh.., a thief basically.

And so, we’re going to play, I think, um, some pretty interesting games with her. And, uh, she’s going to be kind of a constant foil for, um, the boys’ intensive activities. Not constant like Scooby Doo kind of foil. (audience chuckles) That’s not what I’m talking about. Um, (big nod) but, yeah! So, she’s pretty cool. She’s a cat burglar.

Kripke: Yeah.

Edlund: She’s hot. (audience and Kripke laugh)

•(6:28-H2, 2:40-G2, 0:59-S3)-SDCC07;Q3B- New SPN characters (Jensen)

Tomashoff: That helps. (turns to Jensen) Um, Jensen, what do you think about having the newww characters in here? Ehp, no love interests, apparently. (Jensen laughs) So, you know, skip that. But, uh.

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Jensen: Um, well, you know, I- I think it’s, uh- I-I know from Jared and I’s perspective it’s very welcoming to have, uh, to have people come on the show to- You can actually, um-um, build a relationship, form a-a structured relationship with someone. I know that, um, you know, we’ve had a couple of characters come in and out. Umm, you know, we had Dad on for a while, and that was, uh, (a few audience woo’s) you know, great to have him. And-and every time he’d come on, there was just this (gestures) dynamic that- that we felt very comfortable in, because it was something that was familiar to us. Uh, same thing with, uh, you know, with-with Jim Beaver who playing Bobby. (audience cheers and claps. Kripke nods.) (Jensen nods and claps)

Um, you know, it’s just- you get to- you get to really.. dive in and explore a relationship between two characters when you get to work with them more. So, uh, I think to- to introduce, uh, characters that are going to be around a bit more, whatever they might be, you get to see more of the dynamic between those characters, between the-the two brothers and it just- (gestures) It adds more layers to an already very layered show. (nods)

•(7:28-H2, 3:40-G2)-SDCC07;Q4- Returning Characters (Gamble)

Tomashoff: Okay. Ah- (shrugs) I-I probably can’t say a whole lot about who’s coming back, whether it’s Dad, whether it’s anybody. I don’t- (gestures) Sera could you maybe talk a little bit about the other things coming back from ll-last season?

Gamble: We’re going to see Gordon again. (audience woo’s) Gordon is… bad things, bad things are in store for Gordon (laughs). (Jensen and audience laugh)

Tomashoff: (?) You say that very sadistically. So

Gamble: I- Gordon is one of my favorite characters, and it just so happens that we were working on something for him this past week, so I’m- I’m really stoked. And that he’s such- Sterling K. Brown is a fantastic actor and that we were really lucky to get him. And he’s, um, an Army Husband on “Army Wives,” so we don’t have him for long. So, we wanted to make sure we took advantage of him.

And, um, we’re- we’re really exploring Bobby this season. We’re telling his story (audience cheers and claps) for the first time. (nods) (Jensen pumps his fist) And we have- we have these two women. And they’ll be right in the boys’ faces. But, they won’t make them happy or satisfied (Jensen chuckles. The audience laughs) in any way. (laughs) (Jensen smirks and briefly raises his eyebrows) It’s just more pain and torture, because that’s what our show is. (audience claps)

Tomashoff: (to Jensen) You will regret being happy about this, by the way. (?Uh, now that they’re on-?)

Jensen: (shrugs and leans forward in his chair) I-Hey, I don’t know. (shakes head) Just any-anything- anything.

Gamble: I’m sorry, you’re the star on the most nihilistic show on network (Jensen briefly drops his head) television. (laughs) (audience and Kripke laugh)

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Jensen: Fantastic.

•(4:49-G2)-SDCC07;Q5- Dean’s 1 Year (Jensen)

Tomashoff: Okay, looking at this one now. In-in theory anyway, Dean has a year to live.

Jensen: (nods) Yes.

Tomashoff: Right? Uhh, you know, there’s always the story, “If you had a year to live, what are you gonna do?” So, uh, you got a year to live. What are you gonna do?

Jensen: (laughs) (audience laughs) (briefly tilts head) Well.

Tomashoff: Well, apparently.. battle the (?demon of your life?)-

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Jensen: Well, what would Dean do? Uh, (laughs and wipes lip) I think it’s fairly obvious what Dean would do. (audience laughs and catcalls) (nods) And, uh, he plans on doing that. (audience laughs) (turns to Kripke and laughs)

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Kripke: Lots!

Jensen: (to the audience) Lots, lots of that.

Tomashoff: (?You can see the weekend show on?) Cinemax, Friday nights after midnight.

Jensen: Yes. (Kripke laughs) (?All of a sudden the game show?)

Kripke: “The Dean Winchester Diaries!” (The audience laughs. Jensen laughs and claps.) (laughs)

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Jensen: Um, you know, so- so you mix that in and-and also trying to- to stay true to what he is and what he does with his- with his brother. And-and- and keeping that, uh, you know that- that road show (gestures) and that heroic force going. But also, uh, you know, having that knowledge of knowing that, “Hey, I got limited time.” (shrugs and then looks at Tomashoff) “I’m gonna make the most of it.” (looks back at the crowd) And, uh, his idea of making the most of it is, uh, (laughs) (audience laughs)

Gamble: That’d be a European (Jensen: Good times.) ver- movie. (laughs)

Jensen: (nods to Gamble) Yes.

Tomashoff: H-Hopefully no torture though.

Jensen: No.

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•(0:31-S5, 0:03-G3)-SDCC07;Q6- Sam and Dean fun, pre-finale, theme (Jensen, Kripke)

Tomashoff: Seems like they’d torture you. Um, although you actually raised one point. I-I sort of thought, again watching that, that I feel kind of sorry for- for Sam and Dean. And, like, really- How much fun do you ever get to have? It’s dark. It’s- you beat (Edlund laughs) demons all the time.

Have you ever thought of doing, I don’t know, the Hawaiian episode or something like that. (audience laughs) You know?

Kripke: He’s-

Jensen: I have often been trying to pitch the demon surfer… (nods at Tomashoff) (audience laughs) in Hawaii.

Kripke: That’s true. There-there- That’s true.

Tomashoff: (looks at Kripke) You’re on the spot now. (?You got to turn this one?)

Kripke: Um, you know, it’s-it’s- that’s not really the show.

The audience aw’s and laughs. Jensen slaps the table and then briefly slumps into the back in his chair, looking away off stage. The audience laughs.

Kripke: I mean-I mean.. I mean, we’ve been (shrugs) it’s- You know the- you know, like, uh, it was a-a- I think it was a quote from a-a Sam Raimi actually. Uh, which is (audience woo), you know, uh, “Invent characters you love and then torture them.” (The audience laughs. Jensen pumps his brow, smiles, and nods) Um-And-and, you know, Sam and Dean, that’s their heroic struggle, man. (Jensen nods) I mean, you know, we’re-we’re.. hoping for a happy ending for the Winchester boys when it’s all said and done.

But, um- But, you know, they’ve- they’ve got a lot of work to do. And then- You know, but, they have fun along the way. I mean, you know, it’s just their fun is sort of, you know, kind of reckless-cowboy fun. It’s roadhouses and beer and loose women (Jensen looks at Gamble and then smiles big and nods. The audience laughs) and.. you know!

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Tomashoff: Y-You say that like a negative. (?you know what I’m saying?)

Kripke: Ye- No, I’m not- It’s not a negative. I’m saying there- there’s like a real- (Jensen smiles) you know, part of this show is it’s-it’s, you know it’s on the road. And-and there’s sort like a wish fulfillment to just be able to.. ditch your job, ditch your life, (Jensen nods) get in a muscle car, and just cruise the country. And.. that’s fun too! I mean, that part.. you know, that “Great American Road Trip.” Uh, you know, there are moments so, uh, you know, it’s not all bad. It’s, uh.. You can’t have a horror show and (Edlund laughs) have, like, nice things happen, like, (Jensen and the audience laugh) “What a delightful piece of pie.” (audience laughs)

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•(1:36-G3)-SDCC07;Q7A- Hollywood Babylon 2x18 (Edlund, Kripke)

Tomashoff: You guys, you know, one of the- one of my favorites from last year was the, I think Ben, you wrote, the, uh, Hollywood episode.

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Kripke: Yeahh. (Jensen nods)

Tomashoff: Which was the- (The audience cheers and claps. Jensen claps) They really know you.

Edlund: Yeah. (laughs)

Tomashoff: Um, I mean, where did that come from? It was- It was kind of a funnn one off sort of thing.

Edlund: Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, you know, the- that sort of just kind of.. proves that they can have fun in a way. It’s more we have fun.. than they have it. You know.

Kripke: (laughs) Yeah. Right. That’s right. (Jensen smiles and nods)

Edlund: They have a lighter moments here and there. And, that one I think came from.. Well, I mean, really the Hollywood episode is the challenge for every kind of show, you know what I mean? Like, you’re eventually going to take a look at something like this, (Jensen nods) especially if you don’t.. Ah, you know, if you’re getting around the country this is a show about Americana in a lot of ways. Probably, because these big, you know, central kind of draws, Americana, American ghost stories take place there.

Um, but that was just really, really lots of fun to do. I don’t know.

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Kripke: An-And we became, uh- We became enamored with the idea of.. that they make- they’re making, basically, an episode of Supernatural.. (Edlund: Right) in the show. And, um, you know, one thing that I’ll completely admit this, and (Edlund laughs) if I get busted for it, I don’t really give a crap. (audience laughs. Jensen smiles.) The, um, the Gary Cole was this studio executive, you know? (audience woo and clap) And every note he gave.. the production were real notes we got from the network. (Jensen laughs. The audience oo’s, and claps)

So, if you go back and look at it, we have had to suffer every one of those notes like, “Why can’t it be brighter?” (Edlund laughs) And-and you know, and “Why?” and all those things. And then.. we hung him. And, (Edlund: Yeah.) (Audience laughs. Jensen laughs) (mimics his neck snapping) And snapped his neck! And then, so we’re like, “Well, that’s our response.” (Edlund laughs. The audience laughs)

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Tomashoff: Finally get even after all this time.

Edlund: A lot of catharsis in that show. (Jensen shrugs)

Kripke: Yeah, it was very cathectic, if nothing else. (Jensen wipes his forehead, laughing) So.

Gamble?: (?)(?crying?)

•(3:17-G3, 0:55-H3, 3:55-E)-SDCC07;Q7B- Hollywood Babylon 2x18 “Exec Notes” (Kripke, Edlund)

Tomashoff: I-I-I’m curious what you heard when you were pitching the show. D-Did you guys do it? (?)

Kripke: You know, it was the funniest thing! The notes call us.. and we’re you know-

Edlund: They were loving it!

Kripke: They loved it.

Edlund: Yeah!

Kripke: “We-We loved it! It’s so funny!” And we’re like, “Really? Because we’re ripping on you.” (audience and Edlund laughs. Jensen silently laughs.) Umm, but they loved it. So. yeah.

Edlund: Yeah.

Kripke: Yeah.

Edlund: They really do. Well it’s-

Kripke: They have a sense of humor.

Edlund: It’s-It’s true. It’s a fun house mirror. I like those. (Kripke and Edlund laugh) I like to look like- to look like a little round one and then a tall, skinny one.

Kripke: He does. He does a lot.

Edlund: I really do. I’m stuck on the tall, skinny one.

Tomashoff: you have them in the office or do you just walk by and (?)

Kripke: He just likes to go to carnivals. It’s a weird thing for him. (audience laughs. Jensen smiles and shakes his head)

Edlund: I’m glad you hired me. (Kirpke and audience laugh) It’s nice to have an address to show up to everyday (Kripke laughs). Keeps me grounded. (audience chuckles) Thanks.

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•(4:02-G3, 1:39-H3, 0:00-M6.5)-SDCC07;Q8- Origin “reaction” (Kripke)

Tomashoff: Uh, you know what? Actually, d-uh, I’m curious if you could step back to the beginning of the show when you’re pitching it around just to get (Kripke nods) it on the air, what the reaction was. I mean, was it- (gestures) was it the same, “Yeah, but could we get them a dog?” (audience laughs)

Kripke: Uh, (laughs) No. No. You know, it- it was- it was an idea or a version of an ide- of an idea that I had for.. probably like eight years before it got set up. And-and it used to get a (Tomashoff nods: mhm) cold response. Um, but there were (gestures) different versions of it. And some of them sucked out loud. (audience giggles) And, like, you know, one of them was an anthology, and one of them was a reporter, and, you know, there’s all these different versions of the show. And- and it always met with a collective yawn.

Um, but, it, you know, it just goes to show you, it’s like, you know, you hold on to an idea long enough and-and (gestures) sooner or later the market kind of turns and, you know, the- the market of what people are looking for just kind of turns in your favor. And, I happen to be pitching it just by a fluke of timing right as “Grudge,” and “the Ring” were, like, tearing up the box office. So, you know, it was a really easy pitch to sit down in front of, you know, a network and say, “ You know, “the Ring” and “the Grudge” are doing” (Edlund laughs) “you know, in box office. I wanna do that on TV.”

Um, and of course, (gestures) you don’t- the show isn’t really that. (Tomashoff: Yeah) In your heart you know what you want the show to be. (gestures) But, you just need a pitch to get them excited. (shrugs) And-and they, you know, they were- they were really excited.

We were actually in a bidding war on- over the Pilot once (gestures) once the time was right. (Tomashoff nods) So, um, you know, a lot of enthusiasm for the idea. Um, and then I wrote it and then they said, “We hate it.” (Edlund and audience laughs. Jensen smiles) But-but at least the pitch sold.

I-eh- that’s really true. I spent three months on the script and was like, “I love- Here’s my baby.” (mimics carefully handing over his script) (audience giggles) And I showed it to them and they were like, (mimics flipping through the script) “This is- this is unreadable.” And they tore it up (mimics tearing the script) (audience aw’s) And-and-and they said, “We hate it.” And-and so I, uh, me and you know, co-executive producer Peter Johnson- (gestures) I spent three months on the first draft. We tore it up. We re-broke. (gestures) And, the entire story, (looks at Tomashoff) I wrote it in ten days. And-and that was the pilot that got shot.

Tomashoff: (nods) (audience woo) I can see why you hung ‘em, uh, (thumbs) hung the guy and broke his neck now. (audience laughs)

Kripke: Yeah, well (shrugs) you know.

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•(3:38-H3, 0:03-G4)-SDCC07;Q9A- Favorite Episode (Gamble)

Tomashoff: It made you feel better, and then you got it out of your system. Um, the- going back actually to the Hollywood episode makes me also wonder, going down, everybody (gestures to his left) tell me your favorite episode. Do you have a particular one? Maybe, you know, (shrugs) whether you wrote it or you had a big part in it. (gestures) Was there one you looked back, like, “Yeah. You know, that’s, uh, that’s the one.”

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Gamble: No. (laughs and shakes head) No, I’m kidding. (the audience laughs. Jensen smiles) Uh, I- Well, I really like “the Pilot” still. (audience woo) Uh, I fell in love with the show when I saw “the Pilot.” (audience clap) The second I saw the ghost for the first time? I was like, (nods) (stage assistant goes up to the table and talks to Tomashoff) “That is the show I’m working on. For sure.” (Stage assistant leaves. Jensen nods)

And, um- You know, I just think we do really good season openers. (nods) I really liked, um, “In My Time of Dying” a lot (?). (audience cheer and claps) (nods) Yeah. Yeah. (leans forward to look at Edlund) And everything Ben Edlund ever wrote. (Jensen laughs. The audience laughs and then cheers.) (laughs) (?I’m the worst?)

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Edlund: Thanks. Let’s trade. (laughs)

•(4:26-H3, 0:50-G4, 0:34-S4, 0:07-C)-SDCC07;Q9B- Favorite Episode (Jensen)

Tomashoff: (gestures to Jensen) Go on.

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Jensen: Uh, I-I-I got- I mean, I’ve got a few that are very dear to me. Uhhh, I know- I mean, obviously the pilot is-is- stands among- among all the rest. But, uh, “Dead in the Water” (scratches the back of his head), um, holds kind of a special place in my heart. Dum, It’s kind of the first time where I really got a sense of who Dean was, and I was able to peel back some layers.

Uhhm, but I think more recently, I think my-my favorite, just because the amount of, uh- uh, the toll that it took on me personally, was the, uh, the season finale of season 2, uh, “All Hell Breaks Loose, Part 2” (nods) (audience cheers and claps) Um… You know, after building a relationship both on-camera and off-camera with, you know, the guy that plays your brother, uh, on the show (gestures) and then have to play scenes, uh, in a room with him (gestures) dead, uh, was (briefly looks at Tomashoff) (Tomashoff nods) very, very, you know, hard and emotional for me.

And at the end of the day, I was just- I was completely spent. And so, I think that, that really- cause I- I was able to kind of go someplace and-and do that. And, um, you know, what- those are kind of.. defining moments for me as an actor to be able to do that stuff and-and really feel proud about it. (nods and looks at Tomashoff) (Tomashoff nods and then turns towards and gestures to Kripke. The audience claps and cheers)

•(5:35-H3, 2:00-G4, 1:41-S4)-SDCC07;Q9C- Favorite Episode (Kripke)

Kripke: Um… I mean, you know. I mean, I love them all. I mean, they’re all kind of, you know, different versions of my kids. (audience chuckles. Jensen smiles) But, um- uh, my favorite in- my favorite- my single- if I had to choose one single episode in season 2 as my favorite, it’d been “Nightshifter.” The, um.. (Jensen nods. The audience cheers) Ben’s- Ben’s bank robbery episode. It’s just (gestures) the-the concept was so tight. And-and it was so well written.

And-and Phil Sgriccia, the director who’s directed some of our best episodes. I mean, if you look, the ones he did they are always some of our best. And he just shot the hell out of it. And, um, and-and it was the most enter- probably it’s- for me the single most entertaining episode of the season.

Edlund: Alright. (Kripke turns to Edlund) Thank you.

Kripke: Yeah, you’re welcome. (Edlund laughs)

•(6:13-H3, 2:36-G4, 2:20-S4)-SDCC07;Q9D- Favorite Episode (Edlund)

Edlund: Um-

Kripke: If you don’t choose from me, (Edlund: Yeah) (wispy voice) you’re fired! (Audience and Gamble laugh. Jensen smiles)

Edlund: They’re all from you. (Kripke laughs) (spooky voice) They’re- All of them. They’re your children. (audience laughs) (clears throat)

Yeah. Uh, I like, uh, I like a lot of them. You know, um.. (points at Kripke) Oddly enough! I was- before you said that, I was actually thinking of the genie one. (audience woo’s)

Kripke: Oh, (nods) (?directorial?)

Edlund: Your directorial debut.

Kripke: My directorial debut!

Edlund: Um, (Kripke: Thanks, man.) but also, (points at Jensen) You-you know, Jensen, you went through a hell of a lot in that one too. Wasn’t (Jensen: Yeah) this like, directly- it wasn’t as built, you know, the big..(gestures) lose-your-brother thing, but there was an emotional place that, that got to.

That thing- I really loved that. And the story conceit worked really well. (taps knuckles on table) Uhm, (to the audience) this is a good show, I think. I like it. (audience gives an affirmative response back, and then claps and cheers)

Uh, I also really- the thing I really got me into the show.. Um, I mean like, more so than I usually get into.. TV, yuh- at all, it was the, um.. the-the run, uh, the end, like, three episodes of the first season, (Kripke nods) when it really started to do its first, like.. you know, “curl.” The “curl,” of the mythology started to crash on its first shore was really great. And the way that the- that just: the plotting, the breaking, and the intensity of it, erum, rocked! So, good. (Kripke laughs.) Well done! (audience laughs)

Kripke: Thank you.

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•(7:37-H3, 0:15-GF1)-SDCC07; intermission- Charity “Fandom Rocks” (Kripke, Jensen)

Fan: This actually isn’t much a question as, uh, two comments. One, Jensen, I just want to see “Ten Inch Hero” on Wednesday, first off. (audience claps and cheers. Jensen nods) (?) And, two, I’m here on behalf of some people on Fandom Rocks, which is an orgazia- a group of fans looking to donate money to charity. And they have some letters for you, Mr. Kripke, Jensen, and also one for Jared, before he wasn’t here. Is it alright if I bring this up to?-

Kripke: Thank you.

Tomashoff: (points) You can pass it to- over there to the Warner Brothers people.

Kripke: To the lovely woman whose there.

Jensen: Thank you.

Kripke: They will get to us. Thank you very much.

Tomashoff: Thanks. Alright, next.

Fan: Hi

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Kripke: Hey

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Fan: Um, so I’m sure there’s a couple of different cars that you use when you’re filming the show. Obviously, this is a car question. (Edlund laughs) I just wanted to know what size engine.. is in it?

The audience woo’s. Edlund looks at Kripke. Kripke rotates his head in a circular motion. Edlund laughs. Sera and Jensen laugh. The audience laughs.

Kripke: You- (laughs) I- (laughs) Is that an entendre or…? (audience laughs)

Fan: I like classic cars.

Kripke: (turns to Tomashoff and laughs) It felt like one didn’t it?

Tomashoff: (?I was waiting for a certain word to show up?) (nods) Yes, (?I was sure it was one?).

Kripke: Um, I-

Fan: It could be. If you want it too. (laughs)

Kripke: I, uh, (looks at Jensen) Do you know? I don’t- I honestly, you know, like there’s the Transpo. Department up there-

Jensen: We got a 427 in one, I know, uhhh

Kripke: Nice.

Gamble: That’s awesome.

Jensen: And then that’s the biggest- That’s-that’s w-

Kripke: So, tough. (audience laughs)

Jensen: (sits ups closer to the mic) That’s the biggest one we got. That’s, uh, that’s-that’s (rubs forehead) that’s the stunt one. That’s the one- we got, uh, we got some- some hydraulic brakes. We got skid plates on that one. We’ve got some stabilizing bars underneath it, uhm (audience wows)

Edlund: Jensen is a man.

Kripke: Yeah, he’s a real man! (audience laughs. Jensen laughs. Gamble nods. The audience starts screaming)

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Fan: Thank you. (Edlund laughs)

Kripke: Wow.

Jensen: And then we have a few others that are just kind of, you know, “picture cars.” That you know, “run” But, none of ‘em- none of ‘em feel as (looks at Kripke) good as that one. (audience laughs)

Kripke: I’m impressed, man.

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Fan: Hello. I think it’s aawesome that I’m here.. to see you.. cause

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Kripke: Cool. (Jensen nods)

Fan: You’re really nice.

•(0:04-H4, 0:07-GF2, 0:05-M11)-SDCC07;Q11- Mary and Azazel (Kripke)

Fan: Um. My question is, um, in “All Hell Breaks Loose, Part 1,” (Kripke nods) um we find out that Mary has some connection with the Yellow-Eyed Demon. I’m wondering if, uh, that will be elaborated on in, like, the future because the Yellow-Eyed Demon is.. dead? (audience chuckle)

Kripke: Right. Well, uh, you- you leave Sam as sort of the sole survivor of all that. So, um, yes. The question is sort of, you know, uh, “Which path is, you know, Sam going to go down?” And, but for now- for the time being, you know, with the Yellow-Eyed Demon dead, it’s, you know, he’s not having visions anymore. He’s not having any of his premonitions. He’s just back to being a regular blood- uh, red-blooded guy, fighting demons, you know? Uuum, and-and it’s-it sort of (gestures) leads into the-the bigger issue of this war and all the demons that they, you know, have to fight.

Um, but yeah. You know, There’s- there are those issues and we certainly don’t drop that thread. You know, we’ll (gestures) continue it throughout the season. (gestures) But no more psychic kids. (Fan: Yeah) I got sick of them. (audience, Edlund, Tomashoff, and Jensen laugh.)

Um (briefly looks to his left and then gestures) But-but one. You know, Sam’s left, but all the other ones, I mean, they were great actors and great episodes, but by the end, I was like, “Okay,” (gestures at his neck) “We need to kill them all.” (audience laughs)

Jensen says something off mic to Kripke.

Kripke: Yeah, yeah. And, in the- in the second episode there’s like a (gestures) big sort of reveal about Mom. (gestures) (Jensen nods and mouths yup) (Fan: mhm) Because, if you remember in.. (points to fan) that episode you’re referencing, it’s like, (gestures) “Wait, Mom knew this demon? And what’s the connection?” (Fan: yeah) And we-we definitely track through as well.

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Fan: I’d like to make a comment. Uh, I like how you used “Carry On, Wayward Son” for the recap- (audience woo)

Kripke: Sweet. (Jensen nods. The audience cheers and claps) (?No way?)

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Fan: Hey, uh, thank you guys for all being here. That’s pretty sweet. (Kripke nods: Sure.) (Jensen nods) Uh, you guys have the greatest show I’ve ever seen. So. (Jensen tilts his head and nods)

Kripke: Cool man! Thanks! (audience cheers and claps) Thanks a lot!

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Fan: Uh, I was just wondering, you guys are dealing with a lot of dark material, obviously, like, uh, urban legends and references to.. paganism and stuff. And I was just wondering, if you got, uh, anything supernatural or unusual going on set (?usually?)?

Kripke: (looks at Jensen) Jensen? (audience giggles)

Jensen: Uum, (laughs and then shakes head) Everyday, man. (Kripke and audience laugh) (looks at Kripke and laughs)

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Jensen: No, it-t-there’s- ther-there’s- there hasn’t been anything- I mean, we’re so used to-to, you know, a hundred plus people working on set, so the (gestures) bangs and the things drop, and then the, you know, just working on set is- is, s’you know, scary in its own right. But, uh.. (audience chuckles) I don’t think we’ve had anything, you know, to write home about as far as being, “Whoa!” (leans back) or “We’re dealing with something that’s actually present.” (audience laughs) Um.. And if we are? We’ve got the means to take care of it. (audience laughs)

Kripke: Right! (audience cheers and claps. Gamble nods.)

Fan: Thank you. (Jensen nods)

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Audience member: I love you, Jensen! (Jensen smiles and nods. The audience laughs)

Jensen: I love you too. (Kripke and the audience laugh. The audience cheers and claps.)

Fan: I love you too. (Edlund, Jensen and the audience laugh) Okay, first off, I just wanna say, thank you for making a fantastic show. I’ve been with this since “the Pilot,” and I loved every episode. (Jensen nods)

Kripke: Cool. Thank you.

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Fan: Um, with all the.. long hours that you guys were working, and the time that you put in, I’m sure that, you know, pranks and jokes are pulled. (audience giggles) And, Jensen, I wanted to know, what’s the favorite that’s ever been pulled on you, and that you pulled on somebody else? (audience giggles)

Jensen: (looks to the side) Oh, man. Uuum, (audience laughs)

Audience member: You got this!

Jensen: Let me get out my list. (audience laughs) Uhh, you know, Kim Manners, uh, writer- uh, not wri- uh-uh, director and, uh, executive producer of the show, uuuum, got us pretty good last- last season. He, uh, he-he actually (leans forward on the table and briefly looks at Kripke) changed the entire schedule- shooting schedule around, so that he could have this one shot done at the end of the day. Uhm, which was, uh, Jared and I (points down) climbing down into a sewer.

(gestures) And they built up this-this big long, probably, 15 foot pipe with a ladder in it on set that we were, uh- to climb (points down) down. (points down) I s- I climbed in first and I was all the way down at the bottom. There was nowhere to go because it was a set. (points up) And, um, Jared’s coming, you know, he’s.. He’s coming in from, uh, from up top. And, uh, right as soon as (gestures) he gets all the way in and I’m down (ducks) there kind of crouched, waiting… two five-gallon bucket of water… (mimics dumping buckets) (audience laughs and oo’s) (briefly looks at Kripke) come over the top. (looks up) And I looked up and I’m just like, “That’s not in the script.” (The audience, Gamble, and Kripke laugh) (looks at the audience and shrugs) Too late. So, uh.. But, uh, we got ‘em back. (smug smirk) (audience woo’s)

And, then there it contin- You know, it’s, uh- another thing people are always asking, y’know, “What-What pranks do you play on Jared? What-what pranks does he play on you?” And, we’ve, uh, we’ve-we’ve quickly decided that, uh, to pit each other against eas, uh, each- to pit ourselves against each other was (shakes head) not the way to go. (audience laughs) (nods) So, we actually get crew members and-and people that come up (Edlund laughs) and it’s, uh, (looks at Gamble briefly) it’s more of a.. more of a team effort. (audience laughs and claps) (leans back)

Kripke: The, uh- By the way, the water getting dumped on him, (gestures) we rolled camera on, (audience woo and wows) um, to film it. It’s on the season two gag reel. So, (Jensen nods his head. The audience screams and claps)

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•(3:22-GF3, 0:00-M12)-SDCC07;Q14- Favorite One liners “Dean” (Jensen, Kripke)

Fan: Hi. I’m a really big fan. I was just, um.. wondering- I mean, Dean has a lot of one-liners that are s- hilarious that crack the fans up. I know two of my favorites are, “I hope your apple pie is freakin’ worth it.” (audience cheers. Jensen smiles) And then, “I full on Swayzed that mother.” (audience laughs. Jensen laughs) So, I wanted to know what your favorite is, Jensen.

Jensen: (rubs his forehead) Oh, there’s so many. (audience laughs) Uhhh, I-I’m not sure I have a favorite. I-I, you know, there’s.. ehhhh, they-they come- I- (shakes head) they make me laugh out loud a lot of times, you know? (leans forward and looks at Kripke while shaking his head) I don’t know, Eric. W-what are some of your favorites?

Kripke: Man, right now?

Jensen: I know right, it’s like…

Kripke: (looking up) Trying to think of them it’s like…

Jensen: There’s so many

Audience member: “Driver picks the music, shotgun shuts his cakehole!”

Kripke points towards the direction of the voice and nods with his eyebrows raised. The audience, Jensen, and Gamble laugh.

Kripke: That’s one of them. (turns towards Jensen and nods)

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Jensen: (Claps and then points at the voice) Get her a drink!

Kripke: (points at voice) Yeah, that one! (audience laughs) (turns towards Jensen) Yeah, I’ll go with that one.

Jensen: Yeah. (shrugs) Hey, why not?

Fan: Thank you.

Jensen: (nods) Yeah. Thank you.

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•(4:47- H4, 0:06-GF4, 0:00-M15)-SDCC07;Q15- Deleted Scenes (Kripke, Jensen)

Fan: I’d like to know if anyone on the panel has one scene that they think is their best work and it was cut for time, and you’re still kind of sad. (audience giggles and aw’s)

Edlund: That opens up a very, very bad.. can of worms.

Kripke: (laughs) Ooh no. Um. No, we actually, uh- Season one used to have that problem a lot, where there were whole scenes we would lift. But no, I mean, by their very nature, they’re liftable, y’know? So, if you can tell the story without ‘em, I mean, a lot of times, you just don’t- you-you don’t need them.

And, season two, actually, we rarely had that problem. We sort of learned what the hell we were doing and we kind of came on- on track. So- No, I mean, if you guys see the, you know, again, the-the deleted scenes and all that stuff, like.. I don’t know if there’s a d- You know, we-we (gestures) put every deleted scene on the- on the DVD. (looks to his left) And I don’t know if there’s any that would, like.. blow you away. (laughs)

Jensen: (makes a grimace) Really stand out.

Kripke: (laughs) yeah. Rea- They can be like, “Oh, yeah, they cut that! Yes, smart! Smart!” (audience and Jensen laugh)

Jensen: (shakes head) Not your best work. (nods) (Kripke and audience laugh)

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•(5:44- H4, 0:03-GF5)-SDCC07;Q16- Pre-series Sam and Dean (Kripke, Jensen)

Fan: Hi, uh, my question’s about season 3 and whether or not there are any plans to show t- uh, the Winchester boys, um, pre-series again like you did in “Something Wicked”? (audience cheers and claps)

Kripke: Um, we’re.. broken on story ideas through the first ten at this point. (audience whistle) There’sss currently no.. plan for that. But, we love that idea. Um, you know, the lil’ Winchesters are- (audience and Jensen chuckle) are sort of like a (?gag? or ?yeah?) or soft of like a fun thing to go back to. And if we find the right story.. Um, you know and it gives- it gives Jared and Jensen some time off, so they’re always like, “How about the little Winchesters?” (Jensen mimics falling on the table. Audience laughs. Kripke laughs.)

Jensen: “Yeah, the kids!” (claps) “That was a Great idea!” (turns towards Kripke)

Kripke: “Yes, I loved that idea!”

Jensen: (rotates his finger in the air) “Follow the act!”

Kripke: “No, no. We should do that! We should have a whole series!” (Jensen and audience laugh) But, um.. I mean, I do like that notion. A lot o fit is actually on- on Jefferey’s availability, (Jensen nods) because, you know, you-you can’t have the kids without Dad. (Jensen nods) And that’s sort of what’s interesting about it.

And he’s- you know, he’s a very busy man these days, but if we were to ever to make it work out, I mean, we love that idea and something that could work out great for us.

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Fan: Thanks. And a great season. And, whoever came up with the idea of using “Renegade” at the end of “Nightshifter” was awesome. (audience cheers and claps. Jensen nods)

Kripke: It was Ben. (thumbs to Edlund) It was Ben.

Jensen: You know, I think to date that’s my favorite (Audience member: Yes!) music cue.

•(7:09-H4, 0:29-GF6, 0:01-M17)-SDCC07;Q17- Cinematography; “Tall actors” (Kripke, Jensen)

Fan: Um, do you have any production problems shooting actors that are so, uh, tall? (The audience, Edlund and Jensen laugh)

Kripke: Yeah, we build- we build this (laugh) trough (audience laughs) that (gestures) Jared just walks back and forth in. (Jensen and Edlund laughs) He’s actually 7’3”. (audience, Jensen, Edlund, and Gamble laugh) And, uhhh. No, no, no! (shrugs) I mean, you know. I mean, na- he’s a- (Edlund nods) We call him- Kim affectionately refers to him as Sasquatch. (audience and Gamble laughs) Uumm, But, um, No! You know, we- Sometimes we have issues (gestures), um- (thumbs to Jensen) We don’t never have issues with the two of these guys, because, you know there- you know there both strapping young men.

The audience woo’s and catcalls. Jensen sits up straighter with his brow lifted and adjusted his seating position. He then he briefly picks up a cup and then nods to Gamble. Jensen smirks and then pours himself some water.

Kripke: But, um, every mo- (Kripke looks at Jensen and laughs then returns to the audience gesturing) But, uh, but e-b- but every so often, like, when we bring in, like, you know, a-a, like a female, uh, guest cast, um, I mean it’s like- it’s like, (tilts head and looks up at the ceiling) (audience giggles) “Well, Sam” (Edlund and audience laugh) And- And so that we, uh- (gestures) A lot of times, yeah, we absolutely stand them on apple boxes off camera. So, they’re standing on (gestures box shapes), you know, they’re standing on like, you know, a little two-foot riser to just kind of get up into Jared’s orbit. (Edlund and audience laughs. Gamble smiles)

And- And so that we, uh- (gestures) A lot of times, yeah, we absolutely stand them on apple boxes off camera. So, they’re standing on (gestures box shapes), you know, they’re standing on like, you know, a little two-foot riser to just kind of get up into Jared’s orbit. (Edlund and audience laughs. Gamble smiles)

Jensen: It’s true because if you have a shot that’s over (mimics shot), you know, over her shoulder, looking at Jared (Kripke: Y-) if it was without any lifting-

Kripke: The camera’s going to be like- (mimics high camera) (Gamble looks up)

Jensen: (mimics camera with a low angle shot of his nose with three fingers) It would be up his nose. (Kripke nods. The audience laughs. Gamble smiles) (nods and mouths “yeah” to Kripke)

Kripke: Yeah. (Jensen shrugs and mouths “yeah”)

Fan: Thank you.

Jensen: (shakes his head) Which nobody wants that. (The audience, Gamble, and Kripke laugh)

•(8:26-H4, 1:46-GF6)-SDCC07;Q18- Impala 67 “Sam driving” (Jensen, Kripke)

Fan: Hi. Um, in season 2 s-

Kripke: Check out the Metallicar shirt. That’s sweet. (audience cheers and claps. Jensen smiles and nods) Right on.

Fan: In season 2, Sam didn’t get to drive the Impala on screen, at all. Is there a reason behind it? And is he going to drive in season 3?

Jensen: (leans forward to the mic) Because it’s my car. (audience cheers and claps) (Jensen smiles)

Kripke: (?Woah, love that?) That’s- that’s the answer, man. (Jensen shrugs) Personally, in the room, I always get pissed when they’re like, “And then Sam drives the Impala.” And I’m like, (bangs the table) “Why does Dean let him drive it!?” (audience laughs. Jensen smiles) (laughs) Y’know? So, yeah. It’s Dean’s car. (Jensen laughs and nods)

Gamble: And we’re like, “Because Dean just got shot in the leg.” (audience laughs. Jensen throws a hand up and nods)

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Fan: Um, while she’s still standing this is the woman who does the plastic Winchester fansite online.

Kripke: Oh! (audience claps and cheers. Jensen claps)

Fan: And she actually has them with her but she’s too embarrassed to ask if you could hold them while she takes a picture? (audience laughs)

Kripke: What are they?

Tomashoff: Nope, (shakes head) ma’am. (negative gesture)

Fan: The Plastic Winchesters.

Tomashoff: They can’t do that, ma’am.

Kripke: Yeah, sorry.

WB Rep: Go to the Warner Brothers’ booth after this. They’re all going to be at the Warner Brothers booth at four. (Jensen nods)

•(2:46-GF6, 0:23-M19)-SDCC07;Q19- SPN Music “Album/Playlist” (Kripke, Jensen)

Fan: Okay. (Kripke: Yeah) So, now on to my question. (Edlund laughs) (WB Rep: I’m sorry) Um.. The music. Everyone has said, you know, the music on the show is just fantastic. (audience woo’s) Thank you so much for bringing good music back to the American Television (?Land?). (audience claps and cheers. Jensen nods)

On the CW boards, we have a thread where we, y-you know, try to pick out what the music is from each episode. We have some holes, and we have some cases where.. we don’t.. have the music. We know what it is, but we don’t.. we can’t find it.

Kripke: uh-huh.

Fan: Is there ever going to be an official list of all the songs that are on the show? And then, are there ever going to be.. (Edlund laughs) ways where we can download it? Or see the "official" soundtrack, which would be just awesome. (Jensen turns to talk off mic to Kripke) And tomorrow (?)-

Kripke: We- We tr- We tried and just because, you know- (gestures) I hear you, this music is, you know-

Fan: Phenomenal.

Kripke: My-m-my passion (Edlund laughs) And, you know, so- We tried, actually, to do an official soundtrack. (gestures) The-the- Honestly, maybe, you know, I don’t know, find the right person to write it at Warner Music. (gestures) They-They weren’t interested. (audience gasps and aw’s) They said- they said, because- because there’s so many classic rock compilations, that Supernatural would just be another one, and they didn’t quite see the market for it? (audience boo’s) I KNOW!

Tomashoff: Are they here? (Jensen shrugs)

Kripke: It’s not like we’re biased or anything! (Edlund laughs)

Gamble: (turns to Jensen, leans back, and places hands on chest) (?Horrible Idea?)

Jensen: (?) I know. (puts hand on chest) (?All of them?)

Kripke: Um, I know. And-And so,- and so, uhh, (gestures) we- we actually tried. And they- and they said no to m- us. (audience aw) But, um, but (gestures) maybe, you know, w-I mean, t-that’s a cool idea. And we do certainly have the list, so, you know, if nothing else we could, you know, put a playlist together on iTunes or something and- (audience woo’s) People could- (chuckles and then turns and points towards his left) Somebody- somebody in our gang write that down. (audience claps) And let’s.. deal with that on, uh, Monday.

Fan: Give me your email address, I’ll-I’ll tell you (?what the method is?)

Kripke looks at the table and nods. The audience, Jensen and Edlund laugh. Gamble smiles.

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Fan: Thank you.

Kripke: Thank you.

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Tomashoff: We have time for just a couple more.

Edlund: (?Go ahead.?)

Fan: Hi.

Kripke: Hi

•(0:08-GF7, 0:06-M20)-SDCC07;Q20A- Set Mishaps (Jensen)

Fan: Um, I know somebody already asked about the pranks and everything but, uh- What has been, and this is for everybody- What has been, like.. Has there been a moment whereee something really amusing or something really just out of the blue has happened while-during production that’s been.. funny or strange? Or just- Not supernatural or anything, but um, (laughs) no pun intended.

Jensen: Oh, there’s stuff that happens all the (scratches forehead) time. I mean, even just yesterday, I was shooting a scene with aaa- with a little boy, eh, who comes up and gives me a hug (gestures), and he has this, like, uh, (mimes something in his hand) Nintendo case in his- in his hand, and- and it hooks to my jacket and as he takes off.

Jensen flicks his hand to represent the boy taking off. And then Jensen jerks his body forward on to the table arm first. The audience and Gamble laugh. Jensen gets back up.

Jensen: You know and that was- that was just- Another tim- Yesterday as well, I was- (mimics reaching and grabbing) I was supposed to reach in the Impala and grab my bag, while the-the- the props person had shut the bag’s strap in the door. So, when I went to get it out, it was like-

Jensen mimics grabbing and then pulling on a bag strap but meeting resistance and failing in response. Edlund and the audience laughs. Gamble smiles.

Jensen: (throws up hands) “What is with the-?” (audience laughs) You know, so. (nods) It’s a.. It’s a-It’s a-It’s a constant occurrence and usually you’ll see them on the (tilts head and nods) gag reels.

•(1:08-GF7, 1:05-M20)-SDCC07;Q20B- SPN Music “Film Reel” (Kripke, Jensen)

Fan: Um, one quick question and really random. What was the music for the, uh, film reel that was played?

Kripke: Oh! (Jensen leans forward and looks at Kripke) That’s a Robert Rodiguez song

Jensen: Robert Rodiguez song, yeah. (Gamble nods)

Kripke: for I think, “Once Upon a Time in Mexico.” (audience woo’s) And, uh, Phil Sgriccia, again, he cut that, (Jensen nods) uh, at the end of last season instead of working. (shrugs) (audience and Edlund laugh. Jensen smiles) So. (laughs) But yeah.

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Fan: Thank you.

Tomashoff: Okay. (holds up two fingers) Next, probably get two more? (?)

•(1:32-GF7, 0:05-M21)-SDCC07;Q21- Season 2 DVD “Promos” (Kripke)

Fan: During the last season you did some really, really excellent promos. Uh, I was really glad to see the ProMax BDA.. (Kripke nods) giving five awards for, uh, for those promos. Um, I was wondering if you are preserving those? Wool they-Will they be available on the DVD collection, things like the- the Johnny Cash, “God’s Gonna Cut You Down”?

Kripke: Oh. (nods and then shrugs) (Jensen nods)

Fan: Yeah.

Kripke: Um… Uh, ther-uh, No, but what a great idea. (Edlund and the audience laugh) Um, uh, you know, the season two DVD’s are already done. And, unfortunately, uh, those promos aren’t on them. But, um- But that’s a really great idea for the future. I mean, yeah.

Some of those are really, uh, badass. And.. actually, I hav-I have to give the- you know, uh, There’s two guys, Anthony and Chris at the CW who are, like, (gestures) as passionate about the show as everybody here. And they’re (gestures) always cutting (Jensen nods) these promos and showing them to us. And they did-they cut that Johnny Cash thing. And, they’re, you know- They’re really kicking ass. So, um. But.. But no, not on the DVD, unfortunately. But maybe, you know- maybe we’ll figure out someplace.

Fan: Fantastic. I hope there are some people here who never seen “Supernatural” who are now going to go home and start watching it! (audience claps and cheers. Jensen tilts head and nods)

Kripke: Thank you.

Tomashoff: Okay, last- last question.

•(2:40-GF7, 1:14-M21)-SDCC07;Q22- SPN Music “Deciding” (Kripke)

Fan: Hello, I just wanted to know who the genius behind the music, if it was one person, or a group effort on choosing.

Kripke: Uh, it’s a group effort. (Jensen nods: ?definitely?) Uh, uh, you know, I’m the one who says, “Don’t even bring me anything after 1980.” (Edlund and audience laughs. Some audience woo’s) Um, but, uh- but, uh, Phil Sgriccia and we have a music supervisor, Alex, and, um- and everyone’s always (gestures) combing for like, you know, “What’s- What’s a Foreigner song?” or you know- or-or, you know, “What’s the classic rock song we haven’t heard yet that we all remember but haven’t heard in like 10 years that we can put in the show?” So, no. It’s definitely a- definitely a team effort.

Fan: Well, it’s all very, very good.

Kripke: Thanks.

Fan: Thank you.

◘ Supernatural Panel clips - Comic Con 2007 Part 22 by mobycat33◘

(3:18-GF7, 0:00-M22)- closing

Jensen: Thank you.

Tomashoff: Thank you. Now before, uh, we’re gonna have to wrap it up,(gestures to Kripke) but I know you have something you wanted to say?

Kripke: Yeah, the one thing I wanted to say is- is- is a- a (gestures) kind of a combination.. Thank you so much, and also sort of a mission:

Um, Season 3, guys, we got (gestures) It-it was a little touch and go whether (Jensen nods) or not there was going to be a season 3. And I want to make sure that there’s a season 4. And- (audience cheers. Jensen nods) We-we love the show, (scratches chest) uh, we love the show and we’re passionate about it. And-and (gestures) what we always talk about amongst ourselves is, we have, uh, some the (gestures) smartest, most passionate, most intelligent fans of any show on television. (audience woo’s. Jensen nods. Edlund claps.)

Um, and- (gestures to audience) and I- and I would ask you. I mean, you know, in a certain way season 4 is in the audience’s hands. And so, (gestures) tell your friends and spread the word and-and-and spread the gospel of Supernatural, (Edlund laughs) because we’re gonna keep- we’re gonna keep making ‘em as long as, you know, we have the audience to watch it. So, um, I would- I would ask for your help.

And-and it’s a team effort. We’re sort of all in this together. But-but (gestures) for now, yyou guys are the greatest. And we have- we have, again, we have the best fans. And thank you so damned much. (The audience claps and cheers. Jensen and Edlund clap.)

Tomashoff: And, uh, we’re giving a reminder the (holds up card) autograph, uh, the autograph signing is going to be at the Warner Brothers booth #4329, starting at 4:00.

(turns back and forth and gestures all around) Thank you guys for coming! (Jensen starts getting up) And thank everybody up here.

Kripke: Thank you.

Everybody starts getting up and moving around. Edlund, Jensen, and Gamble leave the stage. Then Kripke follows. Last to leave the stage is Ollis and Tomashoff. Then video ends.

[fancoloredglasses]

The saga of Babylon 4 (time travel again?!)

[All images are owned by Babylonian Productions and Warner Bros Discovery. Please don’t sue me or send the Shadows after me]

When dealing with a show with an overarching story spanning multiple seasons, there are bound to be episodes where the stories overlap, but what about multiple episodes (in different seasons) telling the same story? Such is the tale of Babylon 4.

This review is going to be a bit different than most “sagas” I’ve done. In previous sagas, I’ve told each episode in chronological order. However, as the two episodes in question (one in two parts) cover the same time span but from points of view two years apart (isn’t time travel fun?) I’ll be chronicling the two episodes simultaneously. If you would like to watch the episodes, they’re available on Tubi or behind your favorite paywall.

Someone should have some Advil and a straitjacket handy just in case.

PREVIOUSLY ON…

As you know, Babylon 5 is the fifth station in the Babylon Project. Three stations were destroyed during construction, but the fourth disappeared without a trace 4 years prior to the start of the series.

A Great Machine is discovered on Epsilon 3, the planet that Babylon 5 orbits, and Delenn’s friend Draal has become its operator. Commander Sinclair has been named Ambassador to Mimbar, later creating a covert group of human and Mimbari warriors known as the Rangers (with Marcus Cole being assigned to Babylon 5) and being named Entil’Zha (“Ranger One” in English) by the Mimbari.

Babylon 5 is drawn into the coming war between the Vorlons and the Shadows, declaring independence from the Earth Alliance.

Additionally, Captain Sheridan and Ambassador Delenn have started their relationship.

We open on Mimbar, where Ambassador Jeffrey Sinclair is about to receive a disturbing message…

(Thanks to Aaron Anglea)

Roll credits!

Sinclair immediately hops a ship to Babylon 5, but his aide raises an interesting question. That letter was written 1,000 years ago by Valen, who was the architect of Mimbari society. How did he know Sinclair would be on Mimbar at that time?

On Babylon 5, Ivonova claims she never sent that distress signal, but Garibaldi isn’t sure.

Garibaldi gives a 15 second synopsis of the events in Babylon Squared (which I’ll cover shortly), that I’ll be covering later (trust me, this will make sense…I hope) Garibaldi wants to investigate the source of the signal, and Sheridan authorizes it.

Meanwhile, Delenn receives a similar letter and is as haunted by it as Sinclair was. Also, how did Valen know she’d be on Babylon 5 when it was built 997 years after the letter was written?

She then marches her way to C&C and interrupts a meeting with Sheridan and Marcus.

[The White Star, as you may remember, is a ship built using Mimbari and Vorlon technologies. By season 5 there is a fleet of White Stars, but at this point there is just the one.]

She takes Marcus and Ivonova along as well, and are joined by Sinclair.

About that time, Garibaldi reports in (he’s been gone for about an hour at this point) that his long-range scans show the temporal rift in Sector 14 has doubled in size due to an outside source (namely, Epsilon 3).

Speaking of Epsilon 3…

…a being known as Zathras is worried about issues within the Great Machine, but Draal has given him orders, and Zathras knows what must be done.

Back on Babylon 5, Sheridan wants to investigate Epsilon 3 instead of Sector 14, but Delenn is insistent.

Her logic is that they need to leave now because this is the time they’re supposed to leave (hey, don’t blame me if your head hurts from that. She said it, not me!) Sheridan reluctantly agrees. He’s even more skeptical when Sinclair reveals he didn’t know he was coming to Babylon 5 until just before he left Mimbar.

Upon arrival on the White Star, Sheridan wants to know what the hell is going on.

Next begins the exposition part of the episode where Delenn starts talking about the last Shadow War 1,000 years ago…and how the tide of the War began to turn against the Shadows…

The appearance of Babylon 4!

Further, just before Babylon 4 disappeared, it was about to be attacked by allies of the Shadows to prevent it from going back in time, but were stopped…

…by the White Star!

Then Delenn reveals that their mission is to go through the enlarged temporal rift to save (and steal!) Babylon 4, or else the Shadows won’t be defeated in that War, causing a chain of events that will lead to the destruction of Babylon 5! (So…no pressure or anything)

Sheridan contacts Garibaldi (remember him?), who’s been monitoring the rift and recording whatever transmissions come through, saying he's witnessed the destruction of Babylon 5 through the transmissions.

With that, Sheridan’s vote makes the decision to proceed unanimous. Sheridan orders Garibaldi to return to Babylon 5 as the White Star prepares to enter the rift. However, there is a shuttle from Epsilon 3 preparing to rendezvous with equipment for their mission, as well as the last member of the team…

Sinclair immediately recognizes Zathras (for reasons that will be explained) and tells him not to say he knows his past self when they meet (I swear this will make sense!) Zathras is honored to meet Sinclair and Sheridan, but won’t explain why (yes, things are very confusing and secretive. I hope it doesn’t hurt your head too badly)

Before they enter, Zathras gives everyone a temporal stabilizer device that will negate most of the effects of time displacement, as well as keep them anchored to the current time (or the time Babylon 4 is in, anyway) With that, the White Star enters the rift.

Upon arrival to 6 years ago, the White Star finds Shadow fighters with a fusion bomb large enough to destroy Babylon 4.

Six years in the future, Garibaldi has returned to Babylon 5 and finds out Sinclair was there. There’s a message from Sinclair waiting that’s a bit ominous, saying Sinclair isn't planning on returning.

Meanwhile 6 years ago, the White Star destroys the bomb, but is too close.

A wave of something hits Sheridan’s stabilizer and he vanishes into the time stream! While everyone wants to find Sheridan, Sinclair reminds them what’s at stake and tells them to continue with the mission.

And what of Sheridan? He appears surrounded by Centauri guards and facing down…

Londo, only much older and wearing the attire of the Emperor! Londo tells him it’s been 17 years since the end of the Shadow War, and his planet is in ruin because of him and Delenn, and they are to be executed for war crimes! Londo sends him to his cell to prepare himself for his execution.

Back in the past, the White Star (thanks to the explosion knocking out Babylon 4’s sensors) has infiltrated and latched onto the station and cut into the hull so the crew can quietly board. Ivonova and Marcus go to secure a path for Zathras to bring the equipment for the time jump while Sinclair and Delenn go to…do something reckless (but apparently necessary) as part 1 ends.

[Normally I would have a pic of the title for part 2, but I’m not in this case since Babylon Squared will be mixed into this and it could become a bit confusing. Plus, due to doing three episodes in one review, my image budget is taxed to the limit as it is!]

Ivonova and Marcus begin looking for an unsealed access panel when suddenly Marcus vanishes, just as a patrol finds her! Then Marcus drops from the ceiling and helps Ivonova subdue the guards. They then find an access panel and get to work rigging the security systems.

Meanwhile on future Centauri Prime, Sheridan convulses and fades.

He appears briefly before Zathras before returning to the future just in time for Delenn to be thrown into his cell.

Well now, THAT’S a hell of a way to discover you’re a father! Sheridan quickly explains what has happened, and Delenn reveals he told her long ago of this moment but didn’t entirely believe him.

Back on Babylon 4, Delenn and Sinclair find a spot in the fusion reactors to place the time travel devices as Ivonova triggers an alarm to clear the reactor chamber.

On Centauri Prime, Londo has called for Sheridan and Delenn. However, Londo has made himself very drunk…

…to induce his “keeper" (a member of one of the Shadows' minion races) into slumber so he can be candid with them. He has arranged transport off of Centauri Prime for Sheridan and Delenn and begs them to save the Centauri from the remnants of the Shadows in exchange. He quickly sends them away, as he can feel his Keeper waking up. He then calls for…

Londo asks G’Kar to end his life to give Sheridan and Delenn time to escape, then Londo’s Keeper awakens, killing G'kar as G'Kar kills him!

Thus Londo’s vision of his death (mentioned Season 1) is fulfilled. Who says long-term storytelling is dead? Also, thus paves the way for Emperor Vir.

However, on the way to the escape ship, Sheridan feels himself being pulled away. Delenn gives him a warning before he leaves (which he doesn’t wind up heeding)

Back on Babylon 4, Zathras is rigging one of Babylon 5’s space suits with the broken time stabilizer in hopes to retrieve Sheridan, to which Marcus calls Zathras mad. Ivonova muses about Valen (a Mimbari not born of Mimbari) when suddenly Sheridan appears in the suit!

With Sheridan back, he and Sinclair place the rest of the time displacement devices along the outside of the station.

Then the station increases power output, causing a surge that sends Sheridan and Sinclair flying! And with that, Babylon 4 vanishes (and so does Sheridan)! Zathras manages to stabilize the equipment, but Babylon 4 has moved 4 years into the future to Season 1.

Speaking of Season 1...

(Told you I'd get to this)

We open at breakfast with a bit of levity…

(Thanks to Grv3n)

And what about the Star Fury that was sent to Sector 14? Alpha 7 gets to the source of the disturbance and discovers…

…just before he utters a blood-curdling scream!

Roll (Season 1) credits!

We come back to find Ivonova unable to make contact with Alpha 7, despite sensors saying it’s returning to the station.

A bit over an hour later Alpha 7 returns, but halts just short of the station and doesn’t respond to instructions. They do a scan and discover no life signs! An autopsy reveals he died of old age, despite being only 30 (his organs were those of a 90 year-old man!) After doing a thorough search of the Star Fury, Garibaldi’s team discovered something scratched into the safety harness…

Then C&C contacts Sinclair (I’m gonna call him Past Sinclair just to avoid making this any more confusing) about a distress signal.

After confirming the authenticity of the signal (though the time stamp is 4 years old), Past Sinclair offers his assistance (without revealing from where) to evacuate Babylon 4. He and Garibaldi lead a team of transports to B4’s location, a trip that takes 3 hours.

Meanwhile on Babylon 4, the crew of the White Star meets up with Sinclair to find…

…he’s aged considerably due to one too many run-ins with the time distortion field. Sinclair puts Zathras to work repairing Sheridan’s time stabilizer for if/when he returns. Zathras scurries off with Ivonova into Babylon 4 for the parts he needs. Meanwhile, Sinclair heads back to the reactor to make adjustments and sends the others back to the White Star.

Zathras manages to repair the time stabilizer, but…

Security takes Zathras to a holding cell. Delenn decides to leave the White Star and sees…

Meanwhile, the shuttles from Babylon 5 arrive. Upon their arrival…

(Thanks to Texx Titillations)

“Unstuck in time” is an interesting way to phrase what’s happening, but I can’t think of a better one. Anyone who can, please let me know in the comments.

As the evacuation proceeds, Major Krantz says they found an alien (Zathras) aboard just after things went pear-shaped. Zathras then looks at Past Sinclair and immediately sits back down.

Zathras explains he’s stealing Babylon 4 to fight “a great war”, but never explains when that war is.

Then a guard summons Krantz. He and the others follow (including Zathras, since no one thinks to stops him)

Sheridan’s space suit appears out of thin air. Zathras claims Sheridan is “The One.” Past Sinclair moves to speak with The One, but when they touch, he’s blown clear about 20 feet! In the confusion, Zathras hands The One some sort of device and scurries off as The One vanishes. Unfortunately for Zathras, he’s quickly re-captured.

Meanwhile, Ivonova has made her way to C&C after the crew has evacuated to help Sinclair make adjustments.

Marcus then leaves the White Star and sees…

But if Sheridan’s there and stable…who’s in the space suit?

Back in interrogation, Zathras reveals the device was his time stabilizer so The One will survive the time jump. wants to take Zathras to put him on trial (for what? Being an accomplice for stealing Babylon 4?) Zathras says that if he leaves Babylon 4, he’ll die since he’s not from this time.

Then the power fades a bit. Zathras says Babylon 4 will be leaving for its new home soon.

Garabaldi then reports in that the station is getting ready to go to whenever it’s going. Krantz insists on taking Zathras with them, and since he’s technically still in command he can order it.

Then the station shudders and a pillar falls on Zathras, pinning him! Unfortunately, it’s too heavy to quickly move and they need to go now! Zathras tells Past Sinclair to leave him, but before he goes…

Garabaldi practically drags Past Sinclair to the last shuttle, but as they leave Zathras gets a visitor.

So that’s who was in the suit!

At C&C Sinclair tells everyone to go back and he’d join them shortly. Marcus calls him out on his bullshit, claiming that someone has to control the station’s journey…and there’s no way back.

Then Sinclair shows the letter he got back on Mimbar (remember that?)

Delenn then reveals her own letter, verifying Sinclair’s claim. Sinclair also says the aging effects of yet another trip through the temporal rift would likely kill him anyway. Sinclair then asks Ivonova and Marcus to leave so he can have a conversation with Zathras.

(Thanks to evelyn raymond)

With that, Zathras decides to stay with Sinclair to assist with the integration of Babylon 4. And with that, the White Star leaves Babylon 4 to return to their own time and the temporal rift closes behind them.

(Thanks to Korfez Derince)

Now we know how Valen knew how everything had transpired.

Hope you enjoyed. Now, I’m gonna take a few dozen Advil and beat my head against the wall to clear my head of this.

[queerstuffonscreen]

Queer as Folk US (2000-2005)

Episode length: 44-58 min.

Country: USA

Genre: Drama

Language: English

Brash humor and genuine emotion make up this series revolving around the lives, loves, ambitions, careers and friendships of a group of gay men and women living on Liberty Avenue in contemporary Pittsburgh, PA.

Season 1

Episode 1: Premiere

Episode 2: Queer, There and Everywhere

Episode 3: No Bris, No Shirt, No Service

Episode 4: Ted's Not Dead

Episode 5: Now Approaching… The Line

Episode 6: The Art of Desperation

Episode 7: Smells Like Codependence

Episode 8: Babylon Boomerang

Episode 9: Daddy Dearest (Sonny Boy)

Episode 10: Queens of the Road

Episode 11: Surprise!

Episode 12: Move It or Lose It

Episode 13: Very Stupid People

Episode 14: A Change of Heart

Episode 15: The Ties That Bind

Episode 16: French Fried

Episode 17: Solution (How TLFKAM Got Her Name Back)

Episode 18: Surprise Kill

Episode 19: Good Grief!

Episode 20: The King of Babylon

Episode 21: Running to Stand Still

Episode 22: Full Circle

Season 2

Episode 1: Home is Where the Ass Is

Episode 2: All Better Now

Episode 3: Hypocrisy: Don't Do It

Episode 4: Pride

Episode 5: …Wherever That Dream May Lead You

Episode 6: Mixed Blessings

Episode 7: The Leper (Hath the Babe Not Eyes?)

Episode 8: Love for Sale

Episode 9: Accentuate the Positive

Episode 10: Priorities, Please! (Beat the Time)

Episode 11: The Wedding

Episode 12: One Degree of Brian Kinney

Episode 13: It's Because I'm Gay, Right?

Episode 14: The Dangers of Sex and Drugs

Episode 15: Rage Against This Machine

Episode 16: You Say it's Your Birthday! I Couldn't Care Less!

Episode 17: You Can Leda Girl to Pussy

Episode 18: Sick, Sick, Sick

Episode 19: Bowling for Equality

Episode 20: Out With a Whimper

Season 3

Episode 1: Mad Dog Kinney

Episode 2: House Full of Children

Episode 3: Doctors of Dickology

Episode 4: Brat-Sitting

Episode 5: There's Nothing Noble about Being Poor

Episode 6: One Ring to Rule Them All

Episode 7: Stop Hurting Us

Episode 8: Hunt(er) For Love

Episode 9: Big Fucking Mouth

Episode 10: Uncle Ben

Episode 11: Poster May Lead to the Truth

Episode 12: Drugs, Sex and Lies

Episode 13: Tweaked-Out, Fucked-Out Crystal Queen

Episode 14: The Election

Season 4

Episode 1: Just a Little Help

Episode 2: Stand Up for Ourselves

Episode 3: Starting a Whole New Life

Episode 4: Escalating Violence

Episode 5: How Far You Can Go

Episode 6: Death in the Family

Episode 7: Preponderance of Death

Episode 8: Two Kinds of Lies

Episode 9: Have Some Balls

Episode 10: The Snake in Paradise

Episode 11: Gay or Straight? That's the Question

Episode 12: Irritation and Separation

Episode 13: Proposal of Two Kinds

Episode 14: Liberty Ride

Season 5

Episode 1: Move and Leave

Episode 2: Back in Business

Episode 3: Fags are No Different than People

Episode 4: Hard Decisions

Episode 5: Excluding and Abstemiousness

Episode 6: Bored Out of Ya Fucking Mind

Episode 7: Hope Against Hope

Episode 8: Honest to Yourself

Episode 9: Anything in Common

Episode 10: I Love You

Episode 11: Fuckin' Revenge

Episode 12: Mr. Right (Never Broke a Promise)

Episode 13: We Will Survive!

Watch on FuboTV

[subbyfoxelf]

my favorite queer relationships in media

this was another patreon-exclusive post that i'm posting here now because i'm not on patreon anymore. this one was a belated pride month post from july of 2022 where i listed my favorite queer relationships in media. i would probably list some of these in a different order today, but i'm just gonna share the post in its original form. enjoy!

what up, gay nerds!

today i’ll be talking about my favorite queer relationships in media. we’re talking couples, we’re talking throuples, we’re talking polycules, and we’re also talking non-romantic queer chosen family. this is obviously a topic that’s very near and dear to my heart, so i’m super excited to talk about it!

also, because of the relative dearth of queer relationships in mainstream media, i’m also going to talk about characters i ship. this will be in a separate section, though, so let’s start with the main event.

my favorite canon queer relationships

14. piper/alex (orange is the new black)

i’ve only seen the first few seasons, but yeah, at the time having actual gay relationships on a tv show i was watching was such a blessed relief.

there’s a line early in i think season 2? where piper and alex are being all domestic together and piper says, “this is so nice, and so gay!” and it more or less sums how i felt about the whole thing.

13. david/keith (six feet under)

six feet under is a very slice of life show, and the romantic relationships it depicts are accordingly presented with an aching realism. david and keith have their issues but they deal with them responsibly, engaging in couples counseling and doing their best to get better.

it’s a very healthy portrayal and it doesn’t seem like the show is going for brownie points or anything, they’re both just valued characters whose stories the show wanted to tell.

12. lady tohru/kobayashi (miss kobayashi’s dragon maid)

this would be higher, but tohru and kobayashi have never really been the main draw for me? i’m hella into the family vibes between the two of them and their adopted child kanna. kanna is just a gloriously adorable child and she’s so sweet and her family is so good and argh. feelings!

the show (and presumably the manga it’s based on) is so well-written, though. they always put kobayashi in a position to just be the sweetest butch mom and it’s so freaking good.

11. violet/allie (her story)

this was rather by the numbers, i get it, but seeing a trans girl in a healthy lesbian relationship helping escape from her abusive boyfriend was super life-affirming to me for… reasons.

actually, just seeing another trans person on screen was so what i needed at that exact moment in time, it actually helped light a fire under me to get started on hrt.

10. ivanova/talia (babylon 5)

literally the only thing holding this back from being higher on the list is that thanks to 90s homophobia it had to be largely implied, and that it ended tragically.

in her last appearance on the show, talia slept with ivanova, and in a later episode when everyone on the crew has to tell a deep, personal secret ivanova says that she loved talia. so it’s more than you might expect given the limits it had to work within. and ivanova is my favorite character on the whole show and always has been, so yeah, this meant a lot to me.

9. nomi/amanita (sense8)

the joy of seeing actual transgender people on screen in a mainstream streaming series directed by two trans people is matched only by the joy of that trans character getting absolutely railed by the best/prettiest doctor who companion with a strap-on in her first scene. fuck yeah.

and then their whole first arc is about nomi’s bodily autonomy being threatened and amanita coming to her rescue and she rescues her in the most emotionally satisfying scene ever and oh my gosh you guys it’s so good.

8. dev/lee (out of position) & volle/xiller (argaea)

at my first furry convention i discovered that there was a thriving small industry publishing specifically furry books. we’re not talking zines here (though those are also awesome in their own right), we’re talking novels, anthologies, short story collections, etc.

at the time i was still hella into sports, so i was immediately drawn to one that had a buff tiger in a football uniform hoisting a fox femboy onto his shoulder with one arm. ironically at the time i was a tiger (though certainly not the dumb jock musclegod dev is), and today i’m a fox femboy? funny how things work out.

anyway, turns out the author of that book is one of the most prolific (and definitely the most popular) furry writers, and i actually liked his argaea series even better than the football nerd one. argaea is set in a fanciful renaissance-ish world and full of palace intrigue and mystery and kidnappings and whatnot. very fun stuff there.

7. baz/simon (simon snow)

there’s been a harry potter-shaped hole in my heart for years now, so when i heard about this series i was immediately in.

the way magic works in this certainly doesn’t really square with how i think about it, but it’s definitely a creative approach. and i super approve of how these books handle the enemies-to-lovers romance of the two dumb gay boys, as well as how it depicts one of them having crippling depression and how they navigate the relationship difficulties this often results in. extremely good stuff here.

(also i’m almost done with the last book and i’m pretty sure there’s a couple of useless lesbians happening!!! exciting!!! there’s also one het couple in the last book if you’re into that kinda thing.)

6. galo/lio (promare)

what if we were a dumbass himbo and a powerful femboy and did an enemies to lovers thing to become an incredible anime power couple and just kicked all of the ass. all of it. what if that?

5. harley quinn/poison ivy (dc comics)

honestly the only reason this isn’t higher on the list is because i’ve seen very little of their actually in a relationship stuff, and that’s a me problem that i really need to fix asap. but i’ve shipped them forever, basically ever since that animated series episode. you know the one. so when i heard they were canon i squeed so loudly.

4. luz/amity (the owl house)

the owl house feels like it was made specifically for me. this show also saw the harry potter-shaped hole in my life and came along and was like “okay but what if we made something drastically better and more imaginative instead and also basically everyone was gay?” and uh, yeah! obviously!!

so obviously it’s being canceled because some dumbass homophobic executive had a problem with it and omfg disney is the fucking worst. can they please just stop.

but yeah i’m so glad kids get to grow up with stuff like this and she-ra and etc, but also i’m so glad i get to watch it too okay? witchy gay bullshit is entirely my jam.

but yeah amity and luz are the sweetest useless lesbians and i love how flustered they get around each other despite having no problem having badass magic fights and just ugh they’re so good i love them so much.

i also want to give a shout-out to lesbian wine aunt eda and her ex-enbyfriend/hopefully-soon-to-be-ex-ex-enbyfriend raine, i’m really rooting for them!!!

3. adora/catra (she-ra)

no big deal just the main hero and main villain of a science fantasy swashbuckling magical girls show who swordfight like literally all the time and are super blatantly gay for each other the whole time and have emotional turmoil over each other and constantly try to assert their dominance over each other.

also there’s a prom scene in the first season where the villain shows up in a messy tux and dances with the hero girl while verbally needling her and dips her really low and it’s so gay and i’m so jealous because i want a villain like that to be all homoerotic with.

and then in the last season of the show catra finally switches sides and apologizes to adora and then adora comes and rescues her and she has this badass transformation scene and it’s one of my favorite scenes in television history and ugh i am so gay and in the last episode they kiss and confess their feelings for each other and fuck i love these two and this show.

there’s also another canon lesbian relationship between netossa and spinnerella, and the series creator said rogelio, kyle, and lonnie are a polycule! and they’re all such good boys and one of them is a really hot lizard boy and aaaaaaa.

2. basically every relationship (dragon moms)

so uh yeah one of my partners is an author and basically all of her characters are queer (with a few exceptions) and a lot of them are trans or nonbinary and i love her writing so much, if you have similar tastes to me you’ll probably like it too. everything is just very emotionally satisfying and character-driven and just… she’s the best, guys. i’d be a fan of her writing even if i weren’t dating her.

anyway her most popular and probably best work is dragon moms which she serialized online but also published as an ebook with extra content and it’s so good and so gay and yeah, she also has a lot of other short stories and stuff on her website and a few other ebooks available and i unreservedly recommend anything she’s written she’s so good.

1. star trek: discovery’s queer chosen family

i’ve gushed about them a bunch in my discovery reviews so there really shouldn’t be any surprise here, but yeah. when lieutenant stamets and dr. culber were shown as a couple in season 1 of discovery it belatedly fulfilled an almost 31-year-old promise by gene rodenberry. in season 3 of the show, they also introduced gray (a trans guy) and adira (an enby) and made them gay for each other on top of that, and i love them so much, i would die for them. and on top of that they all came together as a surrogate family with stamets and culber just being amazing surrogate space dads and jet reno popping in every now and then as their weird butch lesbian aunt and i am so, so glad i lived long enough to see star trek get this gay, guys!!

while i’m talking about star trek i do want to mention that i didn’t forget about seven and rafi, and i do love them, but i don’t love that them getting together basically happened off screen? like they get plenty of screentime in season 2 but that was in full figuring their shit out mode and idk i just don’t like that all we got for them becoming a couple was them holding hands at the end of season 1 like it feels like you skipped the whole romantic part of their relationship and that kinda sucks?

queer relationships i ship

(cw: some of these characters will have canon age gaps and/or are minors in some canons, just assume there's an element of au-ification here. cool? cool.)

14. finn/poe (star wars)

look i don’t care about star wars anymore but wow how could you not make these guys gay come on.

13. bella/alice (twilight)

again i don’t really care but especially in the movies alice is literally the only person that seems right for bella like seriously their relationship is so much better than her relationship with either of the two boys.

12. kota ibushi/kenny omega (professional wrestling)

to be super clear this is very much about their characters, not them as a people, i don’t ship real people that’s creepy.

their characters have this amazing wrestling love story and i just want it to be even more explicitly gay than it already is, but also it’s already kinda explicitly gay??? and that’s amazing.

11. femshep/jack (mass effect 2) & pc/kaliyo (star wars: the old republic)

this one is moreso about two times bioware queerbaited me, like i met both of these characters while playing female characters and was immediately like “wow okay they are totally lesbian doms like you can tell me they’re bi and i’ll believe you” but i was just so sure they had to be romanceable for my female characters and then i found out they weren’t? and in both cases i was just like, what the fuck guys, this is cultural appropriation.

10. riker/worf (star trek: the next generation)

this started out as a joke but i’m kind of firmly committed to it at this point. there is at least as much reason to think that riker and worf are hooking up on the regular as there is that riker and deanna are, and riker and deanna got married later sooooo…

9. georgiou/burnham (star trek: discovery)

i mean, burnham has more feelings about georgiou than she does about any of her actual on-screen romantic partners, whether it’s for her gentle mommy domme prime universe georgiou or her badass mean domme mirror universe georgiou.

8. dick grayson/jason todd (dc universe)

i literally wrote fanfiction about these two when i read nightwing: year one and jason kept bratting the fuck out of dick to the point where dick literally tied him up.

jason is a bratty power bottom and dick is a service top. i will not be accepting questions or feedback at this time.

7. garak/bashir (star trek: deep space nine)

i don’t even give a shit about bashir when he isn’t interacting with garak. he might as well be a non-character.

i fucking love garak he is such an amazing bratty dom. i love watching him play with his food (his food being bashir).

6. legolas/gimli/aragorn (lord of the rings)

it’s that thing where you take a very homosocial book and add expanded roles for some of its female characters to make it less homosocial but you change exactly nothing about how emotionally intimate the homosocial relationships are and y’know whoops they’re clearly gay now, we decided.

5. bruce/clark (dc universe)

how is this not canon? there is so much blatant textual support for it, holy shit, look at literally any interaction they’ve ever had with each other.

4. neo/trin (the matrix)

yeah they’re on-screen canon, i just mean i headcanon both of them as enbies. so like. they aren’t actually queer in their portrayal onscreen (but like, come on, this is the gayest “straight” couple ever), but they are in my headcanon? if that makes sense.

3. tim drake/jon kent (dc universe)

yeah, they both have boyfriends who aren’t each other, but tell me you didn’t immediately think about these two cute superhero boys kissing the second you heard they were both openly bi. i don’t believe you.

2. flick/cj (animal crossing)

i actually questioned whether to put this as a canon relationship considering that the game frequently seems to stop just short of saying it and i’m reasonably certain that the creative team considers them an item. but i’ll leave it under this section because they don’t just come right out and say it. 

1. sonic/tails/knuckles/shadow

i mean, this is a pretty obvious one right? i mean okay polycule shipping is pretty rare, but like, sontails is obviously correct and sonshad is obviously correct and sonknux is obviously correct and knuxtails is obviously correct and shadtails is obviously correct and i’ll grant you there isn’t as much on-screen evidence for knuxshads but still just put it all together and there you go. like i said. obvious.

please don’t ship sonamy it’s so creepy she’s literally a stalker it’s not okay. i mean do what you want but i’m judging you. my favorite interpretation of amy’s feelings btw is a comic i saw on twitter once where amy is coming out as a lesbian and she apologizes to sonic for being all weird and overcompensating by being over the top into him and he’s super understanding because he’s gay and he gets it and idk it just feels so real and good to me.

anyway, yeah! happy belated pride! i love gays and being gay.

[wgc-productions]

Live Blog: The Magnus Archives 6- Squirm

Question: can y'all see the embedded player? I think there might be a glitch in the system?

Anyhow, the description of this episode (i.g. Statement of Timothy Hodge regarding his sexual encounter with Harriet Lee and her subsequent death.) is already pretty fun in the sense that I feel like I'll be reading/listening to a particularly salacious early 20th century tabloid which I think at least 1/5 of all entertainment should achieve.

Let's go! (The actual live blog is under the cut)

02:25- The way this guy says "schedule" is so fun to me. There are always going to be a few words that, when said with a British accent, just inspire delight and that's one of them.

04:02- The beginning is a very good place to start.

04:16- Single-Narrator/ Single-Actor podcasts are so economical to make. Like, we raised approximately $10,200 for Season 2 of Small Victories and the majority of that money went to Cast and Crew payment. I can only imagine how slim of a budget you can run on when you only have one cast member.

07:11- Anytime someone mentions dancing at a club I picture The Bronze from Buffy. And, more specifically, I picture the scene of Buffy and Faith having a whale of a time there. Funny how that works out.

08:16- Man, hope she isn't a shedding praying mantis or something messed up like that.

10:20- Oh! Alarming!

10:53- To be frank, if a woman is lying face down in the street she clearly needs help. Don't really have to ask.

11:29- I don't know if any of you guys have read Department of Truth (if you haven't I would totally recommend it, it's a comic about a secret government agency that combats the destructive reality bending power of conspiracy theories, also the devil is there) but the woman in the red dress reminds me of this character in DoT who is also called The Woman In The Red Dress. She's is also genuinely unsettling (she has x's where her eyes should be and she bends reality around her and is maybe the Whore of Babylon, I'm not done with it yet. Good read if you're into horror).

13:42- ABSOLUTELY NOT! ABORT MISSION! GET UP AND OFF!!

14:02- Oh no, this is horrible.

15:53- Okay, out of all the episodes I've heard so far this is the one that is actually freaking me out. Like Episode 5 had the teeth which was freaky. The coffin episode was a little unsettling. But body horror is so ~eugh~ to me, especially when the image is in my imagination. I just don't like it at all.

17:13- WORMS!

17:21- Concerning? Way to understate it Johnathan. I can not imagine what the thing that's going to make him a believer. I feel like Mulder and John is Scully. Don't you want to believe, Sims!

18:24- Now, it may have been too long since I last listened, but should I know who Jane Prentis is at this point?

Okay, I'm getting into the flow. I'm intrigued by this Jane Prentis person (again, have we already been introduced and I'm spacing, or is this a new person that I'll learn more about?) and what she means in the context of the overall story.

I love mysteries quite a bit (I love them more than horror) and so starting an overarching mystery in the midst of what is, ostensibly, an anthology is great for me!

[catboyrightsdefender]

got tagged by @the-20th-century-girl thank you bestie 💖

TV Questionnaire

List 5 favourite shows (in no particular order) and answer questions accordingly

the young pope (+ the new pope)

the terror

babylon berlin

the league of gentlemen

ghosts

1. Who is your favourite character in 2?

james fitzjames. my beloved. my babygirl.

2. Who is your least favourite character in 1?

cardinal spaletta my detested. hate this scheming bitch with a passion.

3. What's your favourite episode of 4?

oh this is so hard. im gonna say s1e3 for the mr chinnery + hilary (the pool scene ough agh ough) + all the job center moments but really i love all eps.

4. What is your favourite season of 5?

the second one! but the third one comes very close tho

5. What's your favourite relationship in 3?

alfred/helga. power couple. i4i (insane 4 insane). love them

6. Who is your anti relationship in 2?

there is barely any relationships in it dkjsfskdjksdjf so im gonna say francis/sophie. she deserves better + that bitch francis is gay

7. How long have you watched 1?

i first watched it in 2016. life changing event

8. How did you become interested in 3?

i had heard about it before and was lowkey interested in it because 20s berlin is a topic i LOVE but the police/crime aspect kept me from watching, i think i finally watched because of @roycogaystar and i became completely deranged about it

9. Who is your favourite actor in 4?

for dignity reasons id rather not answer this question

10. Which show do you prefer 1, 2 or 5?

1 will always be my favourite show ever

11. Which show have you seen more episodes of 1 or 3?

3 has more episodes but i watched 1 a lot of times so honestly i dont know

12. If you could be anyone from 4, who would you be?

hilary's wife dave so i can do acting and hang out with phil

13. How would you kill off your favourite character in 5?

cant kill a ghost hehe. but honestly julian had a very good canon death i dont think it can be topped. maybe make it even more embarassing?

14. Would a 3/4 crossover work?

not really. would the league characters be in the bb setting they would all be dead except for hilary i think. i wanna see hilary and alfred scheming together tho that might be fun

15. Pair two characters in 1 that would make an unlikely, but strangely okay couple.

sir john brannox and bernardo. ive been a sir john/bernardo truther since the new pope dropped and i dont plan to stop anytime soon.

16. Overall, which show has the better cast, 3 or 5?

uhm im gonna say 5 cause im more attached to the cast

tagging @roycogaystar @alexanderpearce @jinglebellsmycroftsmells @sonnet-of-anarchy @ghosts-of-love @bunnyandthebull but no pressure of course <3

[zelroy]

I'm watching Babylon 5 1x14 "TKO"

[dianawinchester03]

Genesis Primis: A Supernatural Series Rewrite Masterlist

Book 1 of The Old Testament Series by @dianawinchester03

Season One (Complete!)

Prologue - Enter Y/N L/N

Season 1, Episode 1 - Pilot

Season 1, Episode 2 - Wendigo

Season 1, Episode 3 - Dead in Water

Season 1, Episode 4 - Phantom Traveler

Season 1, Episode 5 - Bloody Mary

Season 1, Episode 6 - Skin

Season 1, Episode 7 - Hook Man

Season 1, Episode 8 - Bugs

Season 1, Episode 9 - Home

Season 1, Episode 10 - Asylum

Season 1, Episode 11 - Scarecrow

Season 1, Episode 12 - Faith

Season 1, Episode 13 - Route 666

Season 1, Episode 14 - Nightmare

Season 1, Episode 15 - The Benders

Season 1, Episode 16 - Shadow

Season 1, Episode 17 - Hell House

Season 1, Episode 18 - Something Wicked

Season 1, Episode 19 - Provenance

Season 1, Episode 20 - Dead Man’s Blood

Season 1, Episode 21 - Salvation

Season 1, Episode 22 - Devil’s Trap

Season 1 - Gag Reel

Season Two (Complete!)

Season 2, Episode 1 - In My Time Of Dying

Season 2, Episode 2 - Everybody Loves A Clown

Season 2, Episode 3 - Bloodlust

Season 2, Episode 4 - Children Shouldn’t Play With Dead Things

Season 2, Episode 5 - Simon Said

Season 2, Episode 6 - No Exit

Season 2, Episode 7 - The Usual Suspects

Season 2, Episode 8 - Crossroad Blues

Season 2, Episode 9 - Croatoan

Season 2, Episode 10 - Hunted

Season 2, Episode 11 - Playthings

Season 2, Episode 12 - Nightshifter

Season 2, Episode 13 - Houses of the Holy

Season 2, Episode 14 - Born Under A Bad Sign

Season 2, Episode 15 - Tall Tales

Season 2, Episode 16 - Roadkill

Season 2, Episode 17 - Heart

Season 2, Episode 18 - Hollywood Babylon

Season 2, Episode 19 - Folsom Prison Blues

Season 2, Episode 20 - What Is and What Should Never Be (Part One)

Season 2, Episode 20 - What Is And What Should Never Be (Part Two)

Season 2, Episode 21 - All Hell Breaks Loose: Part 1

Season 2, Episode 22 - All Hell Breaks Loose: Part 2

Season 2 - Gag Reel

Season Three (Ongoing)

Season 3, Episode 1 - The Magnificent Seven

Season 3, Episode 2 - Take A Picture, It’ll Last Longer

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Authors Note:

I finally learnt how to do a Masterlist! Hallelujah now life will be easier for you guys. Hope you check out my book and enjoy🫶 I’ll update the list after each chapter release.

Update:

I just want to say thank you to everyone for giving my book a chance. I am very new to writing so I’m no Shakespeare lol, but I’m giving and doing my best. With all the overwhelming endless support and love I’m receiving at this very moment, it’s so much more than I can ask for and so much more than I deserve. I appreciate every single bit from the bottom of my heart🥹

Update #2:

A lot is the lore on psychism is based off of my own creation. Since not much is explained about them, I came up with my own ideas. I wanted to stay as true to canon/the show as possible but I always loved the concept of psychics and I wish it was explained more in the show. Which is why some of the powers and attributes of them are not canon to the show. Consider them my personal headcanons lol. Eventually the origins will be explained but for now, it remains a mystery;)

Xoxo

[laresearchette]

Friday, December 15, 2023 Canadian TV Listings (Times Eastern)

WHERE CAN I FIND THOSE PREMIERES?: THE FAMILY PLAN (Apple TV +) FINESTKIND (Paramount +) JOE BOB'S CREEPY CHRISTMAS (Shudder) THE SECRET GIFT OF CHRISTMAS (W Network) 8:00pm 50TH ANNUAL DAYTIME EMMY AWARDS (Global) 9:00pm

WHAT IS NOT PREMIERING IN CANADA TONIGHT? NATIONAL CHRISTMAS TREE LIGHTING (CBS Feed) 91ST ANNUAL HOLLYWOOD CHRISTMAS PARADE (CW Feed)

NEW TO AMAZON PRIME CANADA/CBC GEM/CRAVE TV/DISNEY + STAR/NETFLIX CANADA:

AMAZON PRIME CANADA REACHER (Season 2)

CBC GEM BARDOT

CRAVE TV CHRISTMAS IS YOU CHRISTMAS ON WINDMILL WAY EDWARD SCISSORHANDS GOOSE GREEN LANTERN GROUNDHOG DAY THE IMAGINARIUM OF DOCTOR PARNASSUS JINGLE BELL PRINCESS LES AFFAMÉS LIFE OF PI PARANORMAL REVENGE (Season 1) RACETIME REGINALD THE VAMPIRE (Season 1) TOM AT THE FARM WILDHOOD

NETFLIX CANADA ARCHER (Season 14 - finale season) CAROL & THE END OF THE WORLD CHICKEN RUN: DAWN OF THE NUGGET (GB) FACE TO FACE WITH ETA: CONVERSATIONS WITH A TERRORIST (ES) FAMILIA (MX) GET SANTA PAW PATROL (Season 10) YOH’ CHRISTMAS (ZA)

GRAND SLAM OF CURLING (SN) 12:30pm: Masters - Draw 14 (SN) 4:30pm: Masters - Draw 15 (SN1) 8:30pm: Masters - Draw 16

THE JINGLE BELL JUBILEE (CTV Life) 6:00pm: A city manager recruits the help of a childhood friend to save his town's Christmas charity event, while she attempts to set him up with her close friend.

NHL HOCKEY (SN) 7:30pm: Bruins vs. Islanders (TSN5) 8:00pm: Sens vs. Stars

NBA BASKETBALL (SN Now) 7:30pm: Lakers vs. Spurs (TSN/TSN3/TSN4) 7:30pm: Hawks vs. Raptors (TSN3) 10:00pm: Knicks vs. Suns

OPEN SEASON: CALL OF NATURE (Family Channel Canada) 7:30pm (SERIES PREMIERE): Boog and Elliot open up a hair salon, and soon find that their new enterprise has attracted the attentions of the local gangster Woolly the Bully; Karla is forced to reveal her greatest talent and greatest shame to everyone.

A CHRISTMAS CAROL (1999) (CBC) 8:00pm: Dickens' Ebenezer Scrooge (Patrick Stewart) receives visits from three Christmas spirits who show him his past, present and future.

'TWAS THE NIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS (CTV2) 8:00pm: A former actress takes charge of a town's annual Christmas Eve courtroom production, in which the true authorship of the famous poem "A Visit From St. Nick" is debated.

A CHRISTMAS FOR THE AGES (CTV Life) 8:00pm: Prompted by their youngest granddaughter, four generations of women celebrate Christmas and family in the style of the 40s, 60s, 90s, and today.

THE REAL HOUSEWIVES OF JERSEY (Slice) 8:00pm: Bite Me, I'll Bite Back

THE SEARCH FOR SECRET SANTA (Super Channel Heart & Home) 8:00pm: Cub reporter Sofia thinks she's found a Christmas story that will save her career when she discovers a long-lost, undelivered Secret Santa gift addressed from B. to Claire.

THE REAL HOUSEWIVES: ULTIMATE GIRLS TRIP (Slice) 9:00pm/10:15pm (SEASON PREMIERE): Former New York City Housewives Dorinda, Kelly, Kristen, Luann, Ramona and Sonja reunite for a week in St. Barts; Kristen and Dorinda get off on the wrong foot; Kelly is concerned that Kristen seems more like a fan than a Housewife. In Episode Two, at the beach, the ladies discuss Sonja's communication skills and revisit the infamous Scary Island; Luann hosts a seafood dinner where Sonja questions Kristen's marriage; some handsome young men join the ladies for a house party.

MATRIARCH OF MURDER? (Investigation Discovery) 9:00pm: When an innocent young mother turns up dead on the tracks, the small town of Findlay, Ohio, must figure out who would take the life of such a kind soul.

BABYLON 5: THE ROAD HOME (adult swim) 9:00pm: John Sheridan unexpectedly finds himself transported through multiple timelines and alternate realities. Along the way, he reunites with some familiar faces and discovers cosmic new revelations about the history, purpose and meaning of the universe.

THE BLACKENING (Crave) 9:00pm: A group of old college friends reunite for a Juneteenth weekend getaway, only to find themselves trapped in a remote cabin with a twisted killer. Forced to play by his rules, they soon realize this isn't a game.