#'just to clear the air i ask forgiveness for the things i've done you blame me for'

[aka-catnip]

jayce and viktor are so glinda and elphaba actually

[moghedien]

the funniest lyrics in all of Wicked are actually in For Good and its "And just to clear the air/I ask forgiveness/For the things I've done/You blame me for."

like, he has a name, Elphaba

[liketwoswansinbalance]

Ngl, I kinda want to know how Rhian and Rafal would react to the movie trends like Barbenheimer and the Wicked movie??? Like Barbenheimer is kinda obvious, the twins would probably argue over what to watch first but I can't for the life of me tell how Rafal would react to Wicked. I can see Rhian loving Wicked because I think he would be a theatre kid irl but I don't know how Rafal would react. Would Rafal be against it? Would he say he hates it but would grow to love it? Is he even theatre kid enough to enjoy it full-heartedly ?????? If he is, what kind of musicals would Rafal even watch??? What movies would he even watch??? I need this information....for possible mind fanfiction purposes (the pain of having no time to write so you just imagine it instead 😭)

Disclaimer: I have seen the musical, but haven't yet had a chance to see the movie, meaning my answers will be based on the musical's plot.

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In response to the Barbenheimer trend:

Rafal: I don't get it.

Rhian: Don't you see! It's us.

Rafal: [flatly] It's a middle-aged man and a lady in pink.

Rhian: It's symbolic and the release day timings coincided. The movies are "twins" despite being near total opposites.

Rafal: [skeptically] They certainly look like total opposites.

Rhian: And yet they're both existential and deal with themes of mortality.

Rafal: [scoffs] Well. We'll never deal with mortality.

[Correct me if I'm wrong. I haven't actually seen Oppenheimer, but I know the general story of the Manhattan Project, Einstein's involvement, and the irradiated desert ecosystem leftover from the first atomic bomb testing site in an American desert.)

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In response to Wicked:

[During "Dancing Through Life:"]

Rhian: Could Fiyero be any hotter?!

Rafal: [sighs] At least he's not a pirate...

Rhian: That was rhetorical. [He continues to stare intently at the actor though.]

[Later during "For Good":]

I've heard it said That people come into our lives For a reason

Rafal: [snorts derisively] And the reason is to be nuisances. Everyone who's come into Elphaba's life has caused problems—eugh, even her prince. Even the "Good" witch.

Rhian: [elbows him, hard.]

Rafal: A whole musical about Evers and the lesson is that they [mockingly] improve each other's souls. Couldn't get more trite than that.

Rhian: [under his breath] Deeply shallow. [He starts to tear up at the rest of the song.]

Rafal: [drains the last of his frozen drink unaffectedly.]

[ELPHABA] And just to clear the air I ask forgiveness for the things I've done you blame me for

[GLINDA] But then, I guess we know there's blame to share

Rafal: [starts to choke so badly Rhian has to pat him on the back.]

Rhian: Called it.

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After leaving the theater:

Rhian: So—what did you think, brother o' mine?

Rafal: Excruciating.

Rhian: [pleased and quite smugly] Well! That's clearly more than apathy, isn't it? If it's truly caused you that much pain, I dare say: you were affected. And now, we're done with it.

Rafal: [with a thousand yard stare] Mm.

Rhian: You've done your Good deed of the decade by accompanying me and are off the hook from attending future events. I'll even ban you from the Snow Ball, so you're not obliged to attend, if it makes you happy.

Rafal: [deadpan to himself] No good deed goes unpunished. All helpful urges should be circumvented—for my sanity.

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I don't think Rafal would like the concept of musicals, at least not at first, given how they're "inefficient" at conveying information. What can be said versus what can be sung is part of that distaste. Also, musicals have the challenging task of maintaining a certain mood in many cases, but the introduction of songs (and theatricality in general) can often automatically make the source material (if the story was adapted from another medium) seem light and overblown, if not handled well.

Though, I think musicals would appeal to his somewhat lesser known dramatic side since he's not always no-nonsense. Maybe he would like Phantom of the Opera or Heathers. I'm not familiar with a lot of musicals, so I can't say.

And, I think he would like the psychological horror genre and detective/crime fiction or films. He would try to solve the mysteries mentally, and learn from how the criminals fail to hide the evidence. Generally, I'm not sure if he would be much of a consumer of media. He would probably claim he has more "important" things to do, yet that also wouldn't mean he would be media-illiterate. He would probably like Shakespearean tragedies and Paradise Lost (and maybe John Milton's works in general). Plus, he would probably love it when "problematic" things got past censors, if he lived in the 1500s.

I must admit that, to me, he's a triple-threat vessel for ascetic/Spartan, Utilitarian, and Hobbesian values. I think he would quickly dismiss the entertainment industry as a whole, and so, it's hard for me to come up with anything he'd watch wholeheartedly and not for ironic purposes. He could like bloody, historical reenactment documentaries or documentaries about unethical (psychological) experiments or war theory.

If he were a theater kid (he's usually not flamboyant enough to be one by my interpretations?), he would be a closeted one, or his theatrical mannerisms would only emerge when he's being overtly terrifying and slamming victims to walls.

Again, I don't have specific movies I would associate with him, but maybe, he'd like dark humor, the anti-joke, or observational humor and whatever these are:

[ryleektv]

Norman Fucking Rockwell

Lorenzo Berkshire x f!reader

Genre: angst

Warnings: language, toxic!enzo, manipulation, not proofread!!!

Goddamn, man-child

You act like a kid even though you stand six foot two

Self-loathing poet, resident Laurel Canyon, know-it-all

You talk to the walls when the party gets bored of you

You pulled away from him quickly, watching as he raised an eyebrow at you and you wiped the collective spit from your lips, your brows furrowed at him.

"What?" Lorenzo huffed, clearly only interested in making out and not having an actual conversation to clear the air on what he'd done to fuck up this time.

"You cannot continue to just kiss me when you mess up. We actually have to talk about these things or this is never going to work." You sighed, brushing back your hair with your fingers and fixing the strap of your bra as you reached for your shirt. "Can't even tell anymore if it's because you're a total fucking sex adict or you just don't want me to remember what you did."

"Pretty sure I've actually been good this week. Not much for you to get mad at. Had to try pretty hard though since, I don't know, you get pissed off at my every breath."

You sent him a stern look before you pulled your t-shirt over your head. "Don't say that. I get mad when you blatantly flirt with other girls in front of me, which you know." 

"Y/N, you know I have a flirty personality, I don't even realize it half the time. You can't blame me for something I don't even notice, it's shitty." 

"Half the time? Half the time, Lorenzo?" You stood up from the bed, moving from his grasp as you shook your head. "The only thing shitty is you actually admitting to knowing you flirt with them. And- and there's no way you don't know! You can't go that far without realizing it! I'm not convinced you wouldn't end up fucking them if I didn't step in!" 

"Oh so now you're accusing me of cheating on you?" He let out a sour chuckle as he leaned back against his headboard, arms crossed and sat upon his naked torso that you had just been up against. "I have been nothing but loyal to you, and this is how you react. Freaking out and accusing me of cheating over what was a harmless conversation. It's controlling, honestly." 

Maybe not physically, but your eye was twitching. He made you want to punch his lights out half the time.

"Controlling?" You whispered, a small part of your brain clicking to psycho, you hands on you hips as you paced the room absently, trying not to lose your mind on him, because that would just give him another leg to stand on. "You made me stop talking to your friends because you didn't trust them. Friends that I only ever talked to around you or to ask about you. You flirted with a girl in front of me. A girl you have hooked up with multiple times before we got together. So forgive me if I'm uncomfortable." You spat.

"I don't know what you want me to tell you." Lorenzo shrugged. "It's not like I'm going to hook up with her again. I really don't see why you're so upset." 

"Lorenzo!" You raised your arms up over your head, clasping your hands over your head and trying to force the lump back down your throat before you could cry, however it betrayed you and your voice broke with your next words. "You can't-" 

You stopped the second you heard it, the pain in your voice, covering your face with your hands and walking off towards his bathroom as you took a shaky breath, trying to go calm down before he saw you cry over this. 

"Hey, hey-" You heard him trip behind you as he quickly stood up. "Y/N, honey- hey, c'mere." 

"No, Enzo," You muttered, swinging  the bathroom door open and going to close it before he was able to talk to you again, however you failed and he slipped through just before you could shut it. 

"Come here." He whispered, his voice soft now, his eyes apologetic, the kind you could really believe were sincere. "I'm sorry, sweetheart, I hate to see you cry, my love." 

Lorenzo's hands went up to cup your cheeks, brushing your own hands from your face as his thumbs gently collected the tears from your skin. "You know I didn't mean it, yeah? I would never do something just to hurt you." 

"But you did hurt me, and you made me cry." You sniffed as he pulled you closer and wrapped his arms around you. 

"I know, I'm sorry."

Just a short lil fic of bitch lorenzo.

couldn’t be fucked to change the layout

[little-cute-pink-horrible-being]

One thing that sliiightly bothers me in "for good" are the lines:

"And just to clear the air I ask forgiveness For the things I've done you blame me for But then, I guess we know there's blame to share"

I feel like the amount of apology from Glinda and Elphaba should be swapped. Like, Glinda had a lot to apologies for, while I feel like Elphaba didn't. But I mostly listen to the songs and may have forgotten a crucial part of the plot, so please remins me.

[mamusiq]

For Good- Wicked Male Duet

(Jacob Daniel Cummings & Peter Gibbons)

I'm limited. Just look at me. I'm limited. And just look at you. You can do all I couldn't do.

So now it's up to you, For both of us. Now it's up to you.

I've heard it said, That people come into our lives for a reason Bringing something we must learn.

And we are led to those Who help us most to grow if we let them. And we help them in return.

Well, I don't know if I believe that's true But I know I'm who I am today Because I knew you.

Like a comet pulled from orbit as it passes the sun, Like a stream that meets a boulder halfway through the wood.

Who can say if I've been changed for the better But because I knew you I have been changed for good.

It well may be That we will never meet again in this lifetime. So, let me say before we part:

So much of me Is made of what I learned from you. You'll be with me like a hand-print on my heart.

And now whatever way our stories end I know you have rewritten mine by being my friend.

Like a ship blown from its mooring by a wind off the sea. Like a seed dropped by a sky bird in a distant wood.

Who can say if I've been changed for the better But because I knew you…

Because I knew you… I have been changed for good.

And just to clear the air I ask forgiveness For the things I've done, You blame me for.

But then I guess, We know there's blame to share. And none of it seems to matter anymore.

Like a comet pulled from orbit (Like a ship blown from its mooring) As it passes the sun. (By a wind off the sea) Like a stream that meets a boulder (Like a seed dropped by a bird) Halfway through the wood. (In the wood)

Who can say if I've been changed for the better. I do believe I have been changed for the better.

And because I knew you… Because I knew you… Because I knew you I have been changed… For good.

[npdclaraoswald]

For Good is my favorite Wicked song, but "Just to clear the air, I ask forgiveness for the things I've done you blame me for" is kind of a shitty apology for stealing your best friend's boyfriend

[cartoonfangirl1218]

I've heard it said, That people come into our lives for a reason Bringing something we must learn.

And we are led to those Who help us most to grow if we let them. And we help them in return.

Well, I don't know if I believe that's true But I know I'm who I am today Because I knew you.

Like a comet pulled from orbit as it passes the sun, Like a stream that meets a boulder halfway through the wood.

Who can say if I've been changed for the better But because I knew you I have been changed for good.

It well may be That we will never meet again in this lifetime. So, let me say before we part:

So much of me Is made of what I learned from you. You'll be with me like a handprint on my heart.

And now whatever way our stories end I know you have rewritten mine by being my friend.

Like a ship blown from its mooring by a wind off the sea. Like a seed dropped by a sky bird in a distant wood.

Who can say if I've been changed for the better But because I knew you...

Because I knew you... I have been changed for good.

And just to clear the air I ask forgiveness For the things I've done, You blame me for.

But then I guess, We know there's blame to share. And none of it seems to matter anymore.

Like a comet pulled from orbit (Like a ship blown from its mooring) As it passes the sun. (By a wind off the sea) Like a stream that meets a boulder (Like a seed dropped by a bird) Halfway through the wood. (In the wood)

Who can say if I've been changed for the better. I do believe I have been changed for the better.

And because I knew you.. Because I knew you... Because I knew you I have been changed... For good.

[sweet-berry-sims]

Glitter: Either way none of this would have happened without you. Strangerville has been saved and all those who would have been victimized by the Wizard will never have to suffer because of you.

Alfalfa: You're the one who actually did it though.

Glitter: You're the one who inspired me though. It was your passion and foresight that let me see the true importance in what was going on in that lab. If not for you, I might have dismissed it. All of that was a world a way and if you hadn't made me look into it, it didn't really seem that serious just odd.

Alfalfa: I was overeager. Watcher, we were young then. Who'd have thought we'd end up like this back then?

Glitter: I've heard it said, that people come into our lives for a reason bringing something we must learn and we're lead to those who'll help us most to grow if we let them and we help them in return. I don't know if that's true but I know that I'm who I am today because I know you. Who can say if I've been changed for the better? But because I knew you I have been changed for good.

Alfalfa: Sappy much?

Glitter: Oh hush. I mean it. You've been a big inspiration for me for a while now... Back in Shiz Britechester, you were so driven and sure of yourself. I'll admit, I was jealous of you for that. I didn't really know what I wanted but you did.

Alfalfa: So much for those plans.

Glitter: Still, I don't think I would have gotten this far if not for you. I feel like a terrible friend that all I could do for you was give you fashion tips.

Alfalfa: Well, I learned a lot from you too and not just fashion tips though I did benefit from that. Most of my life I was cast aside. Even when we fought that last terrible fight... you were still there through it all even while we were apart.

Glitter: Oh Alfie...

Alfalfa: I'm not done. Without you I wouldn't have a place to truly belong, I never would have found and been able to maintain any kind of relationship or join the communities here in Moonwood Mill... You gave me confidence in myself beyond simple academics but in me. I don't know how things in San Myshuno are going to go, confronting Gumdrop for Myshuno considering how far she's willing to go. It well may be that we will never meet again in this lifetime so let me say before we part, So much of me is made of what I learned from you. You'll be with me like a handprint on my heart and now whatever way our stories end, I know you have re-written mine by being my friend. Who can say if I've been changed for the better?

Alfalfa: Just to clear the air, I ask forgiveness for the things I've done you blame me for.

Glitter: But then, there's blame to share. About Cavalier, Strangerville, the Wizard.

Alfalfa: At this point, none of it seems to matter anymore.

Glitter: I do believe we've been changed for the better because of each other.

Alfalfa: I'd like to think so that we've been changed for good.

[liopleurojail]

I'm limited Just look at me I'm limited And just look at you You can do all I couldn't do Glinda So now it's up to you For both of us Now it's up to you I've heard it said That people come into our lives For a reason Bringing something we must learn And we are led to those Who help us most to grow if we let them And we help them in return Well, I don't know if I believe that's true But I know I'm who I am today Because I knew you Like a comet pulled from orbit As it passes the sun Like a stream that meets a boulder Halfway through the wood Who can say if I've been changed for the better But because I knew you I have been changed for good It well may be That we will never meet again In this lifetime So, let me say before we part So much of me Is made of what I learned from you You'll be with me Like a handprint on my heart And now whatever way our stories end I know you have rewritten mine By being my friend Like a ship blown from its mooring By a wind off the sea Like a seed dropped by a sky bird In a distant wood Who can say if I've been changed for the better But because I knew you Because I knew you I have been changed for good And just to clear the air I ask forgiveness For the things I've done, you blame me for But then I guess We know there's blame to share And none of it seems to matter anymore Like a comet pulled from orbit (like a ship blown from its mooring) As it passes the sun (by a wind off the sea) Like a stream that meets a boulder (like a seed dropped by a bird) Halfway through the wood (in the wood) Who can say if I've been changed for the better I do believe I have been changed for the better And because I knew you Because I knew you Because I knew you I have been changed For good

For Good - Idina Menzel, Kristin Chenoweth

[music-in-my-veins14]

And just to clear the air I ask forgiveness For the things I've done you blame me for But then, I guess we know there's blame to share And none of it seems to matter anymore

[saixria]

For good Athena and Odysseus…….. screaming crying throwing up (more under the cut)

“I'm limited. Just look at me. I'm limited. And just look at you you can do all I couldn't do…. Glinda... So now it's up to you, For both of us. Now it's up to you…” -> THIS IS JUST WHAT ODYSSEUS SANG TO ATHENA THAT HE COULDNT LIVE TO SEE THE BETTER FUTURE BUT ATHENA COULD LIVE TO MAKE IT

“I've heard it said, that people come into our lives for a reason, bringing something we must learn. And we are led to those who help us most to grow if we let them, and we help them in return.” -> ??? NEED I SAY MORE???? ATHENA WITH HER TWO STUPID MORTALS ARGH

“But I know I'm who I am today because I knew you.” “Who can say if I’ve been changed for the better, but because I knew you, I have been changed for good” -> HHAAANGGGHHHH ATHENA’S CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT OPPOSITE OF ODYSSEUS’

“It well may be that we will never meet again in this lifetime, so let me say before we part: so much of me is made of what I learned from you, you'll be with me like a handprint on my heart. And now whatever way our stories end, I know you have rewritten mine by being my friend.” -> I think to some extent what their current relationship dynamic is doesn’t matter as much as the fact that being Odysseus’ friend forever changed Athena and she will carry that impact with her for all eternity (emotionally and physically)

“And just to clear the air, I ask forgiveness for the things I've done you blame me for.” “But then I guess, we know there's blame to share, but none of it seems to matter anymore” -> Odysseus and Athena both messed up one way or the other, but they have moved past their differences and are really now just two old friends 😭😭

I’m not even gonna put the choruses here bc the metaphors (similes if you wanna nitpick) just prove the same points

In light of the Wicked movie making people care about Wicked now, No Good Deed is literally Odysseus’ Monster arc where he swings from open arms way too far into the opposite direction to full ruthlessness in Monster

“… Nessa… Doctor Dillamond… Fiyero… Fiyero!” —> this is so Odysseus coded, Mr “PENELOPEEEEE AND TELEMACHUUUUSSS”

“Was I really seeking good? Or just seeking attention?” —> In Odysseus case it could be “or just seeking redemption” ARGH (inspired by niafaerin on discord)

“… Since I can not succeed, Fiyero, saving you, I promise no good deed will I attempt to do again! Ever again!” —> “I lost my best friend I lost my mentor my mom… THEN I’LL BECOME THE MONSTER”

Elphie and ody both went “damn trying to be good and use open arms does not work, time to ruthlessness”

[youaremysunshiness]

for good lyrics

ugh, i was just thinking about wicked and the for good song and i'm just gonna type them out here because they are so beautiful. it truly is one of the most beautiful songs ever written and makes me cry every time.

for good lyrics

[GLINDA]

i've heard it said that people come into our lives for a reason bringing something we must learn and we are lead to those who help us most to grow if we let them and we help them in return well, i don't know if i believe that's true but i know i'm who i am today because i knew you

like a comet pulled from orbit as it passes the sun like a stream that meets a boulder halfway through the wood who can say if i've been changed for the better but because i knew you i have been changed for good

[ELPHABA]

it well may be that we will never meet again in this lifetime so let me say before we part so much of me is made of what i learned from you you'll be with me like a handprint on my heart and now whatever way our stories end i know you have rewritten mine by being my friend like a ship blown from its mooring by a wind off the sea like a seed dropped by a sky bird in a distant wood who can say if i've been changed for the better but because i knew you

[GLINDA] because i knew you

[BOTH]

i have been changed for good

[ELPHABA] and just to clear the air i ask forgiveness for the things i've done you blame me for

[GLINDA]

but then i guess, we know there's blame to share

[BOTH]

and none of it seems to matter anymore

like a comet pulled from orbit like a ship blown from its mooring as it passes a sun by a wind off the sea like a stream that meets a boulder like a seed dropped by a bird halfway through the wood in the wood

[BOTH] who can say if i've been changed for the better i do believe i have been changed for the better

[GLINDA]

and because i knew you

[ELPHABA]

because i knew you

[BOTH]

because i knew you i have been changed for good

[hitchell-mope]

For good by Uma and Mal.

Uma: I'm limited

Just look at me

I'm limited

And just look at you

You have done all I couldn't do, cousin.

So now it's up to you

For all of us

Now it's up to you

(Mal wearily rubs her face and leans back in her chair)

Mal: right then. Well. What am I supposed to say to that?

Uma: anything.

Mal: okay then.

I've heard it said

That people come into our lives

For a reason

Bringing something we must learn

And we are led

To those who help us most to grow

If we let them

And we help them in return

Well, I don't know if I believe that's true

But I know I'm who I am today

Because I knew you

Like a comet pulled from orbit

As it passes a sun

Like a stream that meets a boulder

Halfway through the wood

Who can say if I've been changed for the better?

But because I knew you

I have been changed for good

Uma: look.

It well may be

That we will never meet again

In this lifetime

So let me say before we part

So much of me

Is made of what I learned from you all

You'll be with me

Like a handprint on the heart

And now whatever way our stories end

Just know you have re-written mine

By being my friends

Like a ship blown from its mooring

By a wind off the sea

Like a seed dropped by a skybird

Mal (incredulously): SKYBIRD?!?!

Uma (ignoring her): In a distant wood

Who can say if I've been changed for the better?

But because I knew you

Mal: Because I knew you

Both: I have been changed for good

(Uma gets up from her chair and walks out of punching range)

Uma: And just to clear the air

I ask forgiveness

For the things I've done

And blamed you for

(Mal gets up from her chair and walks threateningly towards Uma)

Mal: But then, I guess

We know there's blame to share

(The two cousins shake hands)

Both: And none of it seems to matter anymore

(They start walking towards the door only to find it gone. Prompting them to try harder to patch things up)

Mal: Like a comet pulled from orbit

Uma: Like a ship blown from its mooring

Mal: As it passes a sun

Uma: By a wind off the sea

Mal: Like a stream that meets a boulder

Uma: Like a seed dropped by a bird

Halfway through the wood

Mal: In the wood

Both: Who can say

If I've been changed for the better?

I do believe I have been changed for the better

Mal: And because we knew you

Uma: Because I knew you

(The exit door materialises right in front of them)

Both: Because I knew you

I have been changed

For

Good

[gildedruins]

2day’s thor & loki lyrics: “ who can say if i’ve been changed for the better / but because i knew you i have been changed for good ” && “ it well may be that we will never meet again in this lifetime / so let me say before we part / so much of me is made of what i’ve learned from you ”

[scripted-downfall]

"For Good" from Wicked is such a Destiel song, oh my lord. It's just so!!!

"And we are led/To those who help us most to grow/If we let them/And we help them in return/Well, I don't know if I believe that's true/But I know I'm who I am today/Because I knew you"

"It well may be/That we will never meet again/In this lifetime/So let me say before we part/So much of me/Is made of what I learned from you"

"You'll be with me/Like a handprint on my heart"

"And just to clear the air/I ask forgiveness/For the things I've done/You blame me for" "But then, I guess/We know there's blame to share" "And none of it seems to matter anymore"

"Who can say/If I've been changed for the better?/I do believe I have been changed for the better" "And because I knew you" "Because I knew you/I have been changed/For good"

Just: !!!