#“Messianism”

[advanced-fangirlism]

This episode was insane but Troy was real for this

[thejewitches]

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Remember: interfaith solidarity doesn’t include coercion, trickery, subterfuge, appropriation & lying.

[stannisbaratheon]

You came into this world together, and you go out of it together.

Bruce Greenwood as Roderick Usher and Mary McDonnell as Madeline Usher in THE FALL OF THE HOUSE OF USHER (2023)

[ladyphlogiston]

Part of what makes Christianity at large not a cult is there is no Secret Knowledge. It's all there. You can't level up.

My sister, discussing gnostic heresies

[ruffboijuliaburnsides]

I didn't know that Jewish people and Messianic Jews didn't get along, is it because of the different beliefs or is there a larger historical/cultural context?

I'm probably not the 100% best person to ask but basically it's like this:

It's because Messianics aren't Jewish. They're Christians cosplaying as Jews. They've only existed since the 1960s and even Wikipedia says they're a branch of Christianity that "incorporates some elements of Judaism and other Jewish traditions into the Christian movement of evangelicalism."

And since a) Judaism is a closed religion, and b) Christians have spent hundreds of years persecuting and killing Jews for their religion and traditions, it's kind of deeply offensive for them to do that.

[jewish-vents]

Jews 🤝 asexual people

excluded from communities of marginalized people because we’re “basically” white/straight and therefore do not experience oppression, even though that’s willfully ignoring the many, many cases of people doing and saying terrible things to us because we’re jewish/ace

Don't forget people trying to 'correct'/'fix' us (messianic people, people who think being asexual is 'just a phase') like our existence is somehow a glitch in the matrix. - 🦦ྀི <- is both so felt compelled to answer

[is-the-thing-actually-jewish]

So, ummm...

https://www.tumblr.com/themussarcenter?source=share

This Tumblr just started following me, and idk, I have a bad feeling about it. It's like they're trying too hard to be Jewish. Plus, mussar isn't something that you can do??? It's a moral code.

There's something sus about this.

Rating: NOT JEWISH—WELL KNOWN MESSIANIC MISSIONARY

Izzy, as those who know him unaffectionately call him, is a Christian Missionary cosplaying as a Jew; he's associated with a number of Messianic groups, regularly remakes his tumblr accounts to get around blocks and bans, and actively stalks Judaism-related tags here on Tumblr trying to find fresh victims who aren't already wise to who and what he is.

Literally just mentioning Judaism on your blog is enough to summon him (over on my fandom blog, I kept my Judaism quiet for years, and within literal days of going public on that he had followed me there), and "themussarcenter" is just one of several urls he uses and reuses. @jumblr-protector-golem has a list, in his own dedicated subsection, of the regular urls that he reuses. The man is, to put it bluntly, obsessed and creepy even by the standards of Messianics.

—Mod Joseph

[jewish-sideblog]

I don’t know how many times I gotta say it to goyim. Converts are ethnically Jewish. Ethnically refers to cultural groups, which can be influenced by but are not defined by genetics and ancestry. Judaism is an ethnoreligion, meaning our religion and culture are intrinsically linked and often indistinguishable from one another. In order to adopt our faith, you must adopt our culture and community. If you convert to an ethnoreligion, you convert both your ethnicity and your religion.

[heritageposts]

I also love & take much inspiration from Benjamin in times of intense danger & fear but I’m surprised that you do as well since you are so explicit about your disgust for zionism (I don’t think Israel should exist - I don’t think it’s possible for states to exist ethically, basically - but my relationship with Judaism & thus zionism seems a bit different from yours?). how do you manage his fraught relationship with cultural vs. political zionism in his work?

There isn't really much of a 'fraught' relationship to speak of; in short, Benjamin was never a Zionist. He repeatedly criticized Zionism, warning Scholem as early as 1916 that the whole Zionist movement was underpinned by a "racial ideology."

What I guess might lead to some confusion is Benjamin's concept of cultural Zionism, which he used early on to describe his own work. But this self-described 'Zionism' had nothing at all to do with Palestine; the aim was never to free Jewish culture from the European, but to rescue European culture through Jewish spirituality (and Marxism). Establishing a new center for Jewish culture in Palestine - the way Scholem wanted - never interested him, let alone the prospect of colonizing the land.

[hindahoney]

Let's talk about appropriation of Judaism, and hijacking Jewish history

"According to Halacha, Jews who abandon their Jewishness by choice become 'meshumadim' (An example being messianic "jews" of Jewish ancestry). Though Jewish by lineage, they cannot claim any privilege pertaining to Jewish status. To make it simple: if we don't claim you, you don't get to claim us."

Credit: insta user @rootsmetals

[angermango]

they're some kind of angel

[deconstructingchabad]

holy crap I didn’t know Chabad was messianic… they send us (shitty) matzah every year

Shavua Tov!

I think I should clear some things up:

-When I say "Messianic" on *this* blog, I generally refer to the belief within Chabad that Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson is the Mashiach (a prophetic figure within Jewish scriptures that is said to bring about an age of prosperity and peace and end the Roman Exile), despite being dead since the 1990s.

-"Messianic Judaism" is something else entirely. It is a Christian denomination claiming to be Jewish. Their Messianism is the belief in Jesus of Nazareth is the Mashiach. Christianity stems from a Messianic cult during the Second Temple period that believed a Judean man named Yeshu (Jesus) was Mashiach.

Chabad is not a Christian denomination. Not at all. They are Jewish in origin and are still Jewish and regarded as such by the Jewish community by and large (except for a few fringe leaders). Even if they weren't considered Jewish, they would not be considered *Christian*.

I don't know if that's what you thought, anon, but I just wanted to clear that up.

I believe that Chabad is a cult within Judaism that displays Messianic beliefs about Rabbi Schneerson. They are completely different from "Messianic Judaism", which is a Christian denomination entirely and not at all related to Chabad.

Messianism as a term just refers to the belief in an end-of-times, utopian age, usually brought on by a single, named individual. This can be found within Christianity, famously, but can be found within any religious group, or really any group (accelerationist leftists, in my opinion, also display Messianic beliefs, for example).

[piedoesnotequalpi]

Hey! Friendly reminder! While interfaith families exist and are great and I love hearing about the new traditions people create together, one cannot be Jewish and Christian simultaneously* (religiously speaking)! The belief systems actively contradict each other!

-signed, a very tired Jewish person

*Note that I am referring to religion-as-theology rather than religion-as-culture here

[onaslansside]

Look, I know, I know, finishing the Squire's Tales requires reading The Legend of the King and having all the tragic finale part of the Arthurian Legends in one book. But consider: you get to read the beautiful trial scene.

[starry-suri]

Does anyone know of a place that has a free audio recording of the weekly Torah parshah in english? I've been trying to find one and all I've found are messianic christian resources and discussions about the parshah from rabbis' podcasts (which are great, don't get me wrong. But I'd like to be able to listen to it once I start school again).

[clonerightsagenda]

To recap, for a while now on this blog I've been talking about a trend of "are we the baddies" SFF stories where the main characters are agents of empire and realize maybe they shouldn't be, with most of the focus being on their emotional journeys. After some back and forth I speculated that maybe this story pops up in times where a nation's narrative and identity is feeling particularly unstable and hypothesized that if so, we'd expect to see an uptick in American SFF after the Vietnam War. So, I've been going through Wikipedia lists of SFF novels published in the late 70s. So far... I've found a couple possibilities that need further investigation, but the biggest trends have been Star Trek novels (unsurprising), swords & planets series, and psychic powers. While the Cold War has only come up directly a few times, I am seeing that cultural anxiety in a boom of post-apocalyptic novels, as well as some clear anxieties regarding women's lib.

I want to go through a few more years worth of novels before I stop and dig into the few potential candidates I found. I've got an engagement I need to go to, but for now let me leave you with the weirdest novel summary I've found so far.