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i feel like the biggest reason that dimartino and konietzko left live action atla production was bc the show runners wanted to make zutara canon
#atla#avatar#avatar the last airbender#tbh the series was not as bad i was expecting it to be#it wasn’t great but i appreciated it#it would’ve been a great tv show if it had been an original one#and i stg they’re making it canon#zutara#can’t believe it’s making a 2024 comeback#squad i will not deny 8 y/o me is v excited#baby me saw “hot fire guy” and self identified as the “awesome water girl’’ and i was gone#zutara hate recognized but will be ignored#love my man aang i just didn’t think kataang had romantic chemistry when i was 8#obviously now i See The Light with kataang but i digress
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Hi. You’re probably tired of seeing me dump stuff like this. (I’ll try to make this the last time). But I have to vent to someone. Because I see this one guy, claim to not hate Aang, only to villainize him to a ridiculous extent, acting like he’s unempathetic, forcing Katara to tend to his emotional needs and this user completely downplays Aang’s genocidal trauma. Not to be rude, but how much of a heartless prick do you have to be to invalidate genocide and the trauma it can cause. These fake fans should honestly keep their mouths shut about this show, they clearly don’t understand it.
the southern raiders episode needs to be freed from the zutara fandom i swear. i’m fully convinced they never actually watched that episode cause it literally ends with katara saying she still didn’t forgive yon rha and aang accepting that. he literally says “im proud of you”. it was never her anger at the man that aang disagreed with, it was the action she planned on doing—murder—that he wanted to talk her down from. not for yon rha’s sake, but for her’s. so even though she didn’t forgive him, aang respected that and was able to recognize the strength and validity in her decision. i’m so tired of repeating this rebuttal to this stupid as fuck argument
aang doesn’t force her to do anything in the entire series. katara has her own agency and free will to do as she pleases and not a single character has ever taken that away from her, and the one time where her freedom was threatened (by pakku), she fought for it and ensured she got her way. when yall say aang takes her agency away from her, you’re also ignoring the core traits of katara: her fierceness, her determination, her ability to recognize what’s right for herself, and her sense of justice
she never blindly follows or takes direction from anyone. when aang tried telling her and sokka to stay put while he made the trip to see roku in the fire nation, katara (and sokka) put her foot down and refused to listen. she demanded that they go with him, and he accepted them making that choice for themselves. when sokka tried convincing her to leave after she met up with haru and they had the chance to escape from the fire nation ship, she refused and said she wasn’t abandoning the rest of the earthbenders. her decision was respected by both aang and sokka. in fact, there are so many instances of her making her own decisions regardless of what anyone else says that it would be impossible for me to list them all. she never succumbs to what aang or anyone else wants, and she always makes her genuine thoughts on an important decision known. katara does not need anyone to tell her what to do nor does she allow anyone to tell her what to do. this is the same girl who single handedly changed the “no girls allowed” rule in the northern water tribe after having been told “you can’t do that”. yall think she would let aang walk all over her??? please put some respect on her name
now this may be a controversial take but i don’t care it’s the truth: comparing sokka and katara losing their mom to aang losing his entire culture and people is actually insane and insensitive but not for the reason zutaras think. its because absolutely nothing any other character went through can compare to what aang did, and to diminish his tragedy by saying katara’s trauma surrounding her mom’s death is somehow worse is actual insanity and i need yall to go to prison LMAO
katara did not witness her mom get murdered. that only happened in natla and i refuse to acknowledge that. she ran out of the tent to go tell her dad that a fire nation soldier was with their mom and when she came back, the man was gone and kya was dead. still insanely traumatic, but she was not literally standing there watching as kya burned to death
that’s literally what happened with aang. from his perspective, he had just seen gyatso only a few hours ago. gyatso was alive literally moments ago in his mind and then he was greeted with his decayed skeleton among the bodies of unwelcome fire nation soldiers. just like katara experienced insane whiplash from that heartbreaking change, to see someone alive only to come back to them gone, aang went through roughly the same thing
the only difference is aang didn’t just lose gyatso, he lost all his friends and mentors as well. and he didn’t just lose all his friends and mentors, he lost every single person who looked like him. and he didn’t just lose every single person who looked like him, he lost everyone he had grown close to and seen from the other nations. and he didn’t just lose everyone he had grown close to and seen from the other nations, he lost the animals native to the airbending temples. and he didn’t just lose the animals native to the airbending temples, he lost the native plants as well. and he didn’t just lose the native plants, he lost the structural beauty and integrity of the air temples. and he didn’t just lose the structural beauty and integrity of the air temples, he lost the ability to practice his cultural customs with others. and he didn’t just lose the ability to practice his cultural customs with others, he lost the ability to bend his native element with others. and he didn’t just lose the ability to bend his native element with others, he lost the time to mourn for all that he lost
i’m sorry to those of you who wanna believe your favs have suffered more than anyone else in the series, but none of their tragedies compare to aang’s. and i don’t believe in downplaying what the others went through to support a fandom narrative, but this is literally just me acknowledging the severity of aang’s story. to suggest any one else has gone through more is to be ignorant and nothing anyone can say will ever convince me otherwise
only reason yall think zuko or katara or sokka or toph or azula or whoever the fuck else is more tragic than aang is because all of their traumas are more relatable to the everyday person whereas aang’s is something that most people can’t even comprehend
#and before anyone tries saying ‘but aang still had bumi!’ i need you to quickly block me#cause i don’t need that stupidity interacting with my posts LMAO#/j#atla#avatar the last airbender#aang#aang atla#katara atla#katara#sokka atla#toph#toph beifong#zuko#prince zuko#anti zutara#anti zutara stans#anti zutara fandom
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love love love ur parentification analysis on sokka and katara especially katara’s section! it puzzles me so when KA’s say ZK’s do not understand the show nor katara when to me it’s so obvious we do 😭
thank you so much anon! I’m so happy that my post resonated with you!
A while back I saw a Tumblr survey about favourite characters and ships. It basically showed that for people whose favourite character is Katara, Zutara is the most popular ship. Obviously the Venn diagram between Zutara shippers and Katara fans isn’t a circle, but I think the overlap contributes to why so many ZKs are passionate about Katara. Also, ZKs who are Katara fans tend to be pretty flexible with Katara ships: many people like Harutara / Jiangtara / Yuetara / Sukitara / Azutara (though most shippers of Azutara tend to be Azula stans first and Katara stans second). What’s really funny and a little sad to me is that non-ZK Katara fans who dislike her canon arc get accused of being ZKs by antis (this happens weirdly often to @sapphic-agent). It’s like some antis can’t comprehend the idea that people might just love Katara without the ship war.
I generally like reading POVs from Katara fans of all ships, but I recently discovered that I tend to disagree with POVs from Zukka shippers. They often try to defend Katara’s “childhood” by pointing out that Katara sometimes goofs off and Sokka also takes responsibility, so she’s not just the “mom friend.” To be clear I’m not disagreeing with those points, but I don’t think downplaying her parentification trauma is defending her childhood, especially since goofing off & being impulsive make her parentification more realistic, not less. It feels kind of disingenuous to accuse the fandom of being the ones to parentify her when The Runaway exists, especially since they downplay Katara’s parentification in order to play up Sokka’s parentification. There’s nothing feminist about ignoring the invisible labour performed by a woman in a cartoon, not when brave women IRL have been agitating to recognize care work for literal decades. I wrote my undergrad thesis on invisible labour performed by women, especially women of colour, in radical activist spaces…so I feel really strongly about this.
I think it’s interesting that a lot of ATLA fans claim Katara shouldn’t be with Zuko on the grounds of her colonial trauma, but refuse to entertain the notion that maybe she shouldn’t be with Aang (a kid who evades responsibility) because of her parentification trauma. The murder of her mother stems from imperialist violence, but her subsequent parentification stems from patriarchal gender norms around divisions of labour and assignations of responsibility. The patriarchy is a thing in ATLA, and it’s canonically something that Katara hates almost as much as the Fire Nation (incidentally, reason 27363729 why the fic Southern Lights is so special to me is how it deftly explores both anger at a colonial apparatus & anger at your own people for their patriarchal oppression).
#zutara#pro zutara#stanning Katara like it’s my job#can i ask you a question?#anti zukka shippers#unfortunate bc again I like Zukka…I’m still foaming at the mouth for Feels Like We Only Go Backwards to update#anti kataang#Katara parentification discourse
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Do you think that a lot of the kataang fans behavior has to do with the rise of puriteens online
Yes, I think it's definitely related to a lot of new fans' behavior.
I do want to say though, I really don't love the way "puriteens" are dunked on at times, because I think it is important to acknowledge the reason why this sentiment is so common. These kids are younger gen Z and older gen alpha kids that were raised in the age of social media. Speaking from experience a Zillenniel, I saw the beginnings of this when I was younger and just getting online.
Kids (especially girls, who make up the majority demographic of fandoms) are exposed to some pretty horrific things online from a young age. We are bombarded with sexual content, we are sexualized from a young age, we see ourselves talked about in dehumanizing ways, and when we get upset, we, even as children, are blamed for not "curating our experience" despite it being an open secret that this kind of content/sentiment pretty much unavoidable now. The people spreading it just don't want accountability. So I understand where they're coming from, I really do. They are tired of that kind of treatment, but they lack the maturity to understand the nuance, and that there is no black-and-white solution. There is space to talk about the problems in our culture without completely shutting down discussion of anything negative.
That being said, it's incredibly frustrating when they take it to extremes, especially when they're no longer teens and still act this way into adulthood. No, you can't hide from the world forever and pretend like problems don't exist. If you ignore it, it won't go away.
I see the sentiment a lot among the new wave of kataang fans (and similar groups of fans of other media) that "why does everyone hate the PURE couple" and "they are so sweet and innocent why do you want everything to be DARK instead?" It shows the harm in these kinds of mindsets, because while yes, kataang does have this cutesy aesthetic, it is very much a flawed relationship with challenges that both the show and fans sweep under the rug to maintain the illusion of its purity and cinnamon-roll-ness. The fans want a relationship devoid of conflict, so they pretend like the conflict that is already there and would arise in the relationship simply doesn't exist.
Meanwhile Zutara has an edgier aesthetic to it (despite actually being a sweet and wholesome relationship itself but that's another conversation) and comes with obvious challenges (like the characters beginning their story as enemies), but part of the beauty in that is the way the fans have interrogated those challenges and explored them in a meaningful way. Obviously not all fan content does this, but as someone who has enjoyed Zutara for...how long now? Almost 15 years? ...I generally see a very thoughtful approach to how both characters develop a strong relationship based on respect and understanding. Which is exactly what the show did with Zuko's arc. It's why he's such a loved character; yes, he is imperfect and flawed, but he confronted those flaws meaningfully and became a better person for it. It's what makes his story so memorable and inspiring. Zutara fans just apply the same logic to Zutara, and it's why the relationship is so memorable for us.
So yeah. I can understand where these kids are coming from, but they've got to grow up and recognize that they're only becoming their own worst enemies at this point.
#zutara#atla#avatar the last airbender#anti kataang#atla fandom problems#fandom culture#puriteens#internet culture#ask#anon#zuko
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Genuine question, what's wrong with "Momtara" and "Dadko" takes? I neither ship nor hate Zutara and haven't been in its fandom, so I'm just curious.
It's part of the habit some Zutarians have of claiming Zuko and Katara are THE most mature of their friend group, to the point that the Gaang sees them as their parents and they see them as their kids as well, so naturally they'd end up becoming a couple (and it is also used to claim ships like Kataang are pedophilia or incest, despite both being kids AND not at all related to each other). People, like me, really dislike that and hate seeing it be pushed as absolute truth because it ignores the facts that:
1 - Even though Katara is the "mom friend", she sort of resents that role a bit and wants to just be a kid like her friends.
2 - The Gaang appreciates and loves her even when she's not playing the role of "mom friend" - in fact, they sometimes like her MORE when she's not doing that.
3 - A lot of Katara's mom "motherly" behavior is a result of them rarely having any adults around, and thus they all had to grow up too fast.
4 - The Gaang's moments of latching onto Katara as a "mother" figure comes from their own traumas regarding their own families.
5 - ALL the members in the Gaang have had moments in which they were the "more mature, smart and responsible" one in the group because, surprise surprise, they've ALSO had to grow up too fast.
6 - Katara has also had plenty of silly, immature, impulsive, childlike moments because, as Aang rightfully points out, she IS a kid, and the fact that he recognized that is one of the reasons why she grew to like him so quickly.
7 - Sokka is the only one who said "When I think of mother, I think of Katara", and even their dynamic usually works more as siblings that are constantly bickering but care about each other a lot - and again, Sokka did have moments in which he was the "mature" one trying to take care of her, like in the Jet episode.
8 - Zuko is NOT the "dad friend" of the group. His whole deal is being the awkward former enemy and the friend that is very dramatic, angsty, and quick to anger. He is not "co-parenting" his friends with Katara, he is joining their support group of "Deeply traumatized children in charge of fixing a mess that adults are too incompetent to deal with."
9 - Even if they WERE co-parenting their friends, that would not automatically mean they'd fall for each other or be a good match, especially once Zuko becomes Fire Lord and Katara is spending half her time home with her family, and the other half traveling around and that dynamic (which I repeat: wasn't even the one they had in the show) would be broken.
"Momtara and Dadko" is just another sad, very specific fanfic trope pushed as canon because Zutarians will use ANY "argument" to try and convince themselves that their ship is the only thing that makes sense (and again, that Kataang is somehow incest/pedophilia).
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People love to reminds Aegon is a rapist but totally ignore that Rhaenyra is a woman clearly illed of Stockolm syndrome cause she end up loving the people who hurt and betray her. Alicent included, i hate Rhaenycent idc sapphic or not, it's toxic, and then she is in love with Daemon and marry him. A man who manipulated her, exploited her, and abused her even after the miscarriage of their own child! Incest is the last of the problems in their relationship...I think Daemyra shippers suffer of the same syndrome cause sees love from Daemon where there isn't. Nyra is terribly naive and they worship her like if she is great ruler or something, but the truth is that she's incapable even of recognize her enemies. How a woman like this can be the rightful heir lmao she's no better than Aegon!
I actually understand liking a little bit of toxicity in a ship. Lol, all of my favorite ships except for one(Olitz, Dramione, Jane Eyre Mr. Rochester, Dettles, and Zutara) have some measure of problematic behavior in them, but when you get to physical abuse and abandonment, I’m out 💃🏽
It’s not even a toxic romance anymore, it’s straight-up abuse.
Rhaenyra has been choked out, abandoned, and her kid's lives have been threatened(which is why I laugh every time I see a Rhaeicent Stan come for Dettles, you guys ship a ship where they want to kill each other's families 🙃)by her love interests but that’s okay. She still wants them and Rhaenyra gets what she wants because she’s the best. They didn’t mean it. Everyone should love her, why don’t you love her 🫠
She really isn’t better than her brother. She’s an overly indulged woman with poor decision-making skills who is constantly putting her safety and that of her children in danger. Then when things don’t work out her way(again she’s constantly putting herself in harm's way) her answer to things is violence🙃
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yeah. the legend of korra is nowhere near as good as avatar the last airbender. ignoring the part about katara, toph, etc. the show just kind of makes stuff up to justify adding new mechanics and the main team are in a love square from hell. so not worth it
Yeah I've heard about that💀
Plus a few years ago I watched like the first ep (keep in mind this was before I watched ATLA) out of pure curiosity and like... It was alright? I found Korra a bit annoying tho but idk if it holds up it was very long ago😍
I've heard about the love square and I ✨hate it✨ but tbh other than Sokka and Suki I genuinely think the writers suck at writing romance — this isn't just bc I enjoy zutara and taang, but more because like... I think towards the end they kinda fumbled kataang? Like yeah fine I didn't like them but I recognized they were cute, but for some reason near the ending they just sucked horribly 💀 so yeah, not the biggest fan of how atla writers handled the romance, so I'm not surprised the writers from Lok are awful at this part as well
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Rules: Pick ten of your fics, scroll to somewhere in the middle, pick a chunk of lines, and share it! Then tag ten people, if you’d like.
I got all the way through this thinking I was pretending I’d been tagged by @theleakypen and then realized that ve didn’t post this verself, ve reblogged it from @shadaras, (which explains why I don’t recognize any of the fics, duh) so I guess I’m pretending I was tagged by shadaras, who will likely never see this bc I can’t tag him. and tagging @the-lincyclopedia, @softanimalgoose, @alasse-irena, @songofsunset, @bookwyrmling, @lemonlushff, @faiasakura, @theflowergirl, @eldritchw1tch, and LUNY AND CLEM WHY CAN’T I TAG YOU so you’re each counting as half a tag. and Puck if you want to play consider yourself tagged. :p it’s so nice to have more than three people to tag in these things.
I tried to get a good distribution of fics from my Check Please days (2018) on. Some of these are Khashana classics, others deserved better. Whether I could find a good clump of lines near the middle heavily factored in as well.
Lift Us Where Suffering Cannot Reach, MDZS, 8k, Wangxian, rated T, written for WWX’s Birthday Gift Exchange Oct 2022
“You look beautiful,” Lan Zhan murmurs. Wei Ying lets out a sob and covers her mouth with one hand. Not quite sure of her welcome, Lan Zhan raises her arms, and Wei Ying flings herself into them. She tries to turn her face away to keep Lan Zhan dry, but Lan Zhan catches her and turns her so her face is nestled into the side of Lan Zhan’s neck.
“I’m getting you all damp, Lan Zhan,” murmurs Wei Ying.
“Let me absorb,” Lan Zhan whispers back, and Wei Ying clings.
Can’t Be Anyone But You, MDZS, 1.8k, Wangxian, rated T, written in early 2022
He had to look away to summon the face to say the last part, but then he chanced a quick glance back at Lan Zhan’s face, which confirmed nothing.
“You love me,” he said, and his voice broke slightly. “You love me, and so it isn’t called ‘Wei Ying, so help me I am going to make you copy the rules for eternity if you don’t shut up.’”
When the Day Met the Night, MDZS, 8k, Wangxian, rated E, written in late 2021
Lan Zhan won’t look at him, face still red, glaring a hole into the opposite wall now Huaisang’s disappeared.
Sucks to be him. Wei Ying is a pro at being annoying and has, as previously established, very little shame.
“Have you been holding out on me, Lan Zhan?” he asks, raising his voice to normal talking-at-a-party level. “Do you bring people home and tie them up in bed? Has he walked in on it? Did I awaken something in you?”
Fragile Lives/Shattered Dreams, ATLA, 11k, rated T, Zutara that turns into Zukka, written for the ATLA 18+ Big Bang 2021
“What do the Water Tribes think of—of men who like men? The way they’re supposed to like women?” He stared at a patch of snow, feeling his cheeks heat and watching Sokka out of the corner of his eye.
Sokka paused and looked up. “I wouldn’t say supposed to,” he said. “But I know what you mean. We celebrate it.”
Zuko’s mouth dropped open. That was one answer he had absolutely not considered. Celebrate? Not hate, not tolerate, not even accept, but celebrate?
Retribution, ATLA, 8k, rated T, gen with minor Jetko and Sukki, written in early 2021
He leaves early for work and sticks his head into Jet’s coffee shop.
“What’s up, Mr. MCR Reunion Tour?”
Zuko makes the executive decision to ignore that baffling comment entirely and walks up to the counter. Jet arches an eyebrow at him. Zuko fists a hand in his lapels, drags Jet forward over the counter, and kisses him on the lips firmly.
He keeps it quick and chaste, and when he releases Jet, he has the pleasure of seeing him speechless. Zuko smirks at him and leaves before Jet can find his voice again.
(yes this counts as minor Jetko as it’s the sum total of the time it shows up at all in the 8k, lol)
Throw destiny out with the bathwater, I make my own path; Supernatural, 1.2k, rated T, Destiel, post-finale fix-it in late 2020
Besides, Jack isn’t coming.
“Sammy,” he tries again. “What’s the point of free will if he’s just going to come down and save us every time we get in a tight spot?”
“What’s the point of sacrificing myself to save your life if you’re going to get yourself killed days later by accident?” says Cas from somewhere outside Dean’s field of vision.
All My Underdogs, Check, Please!, 16k, rated E, PBJ, written in mid-2020
“How did you get together?”
“Met at the Olympics,” said Kent between bites of grilled cheese. “Bonded over his dad being Bad Bob Zimmermann and my mom being Gina Jackson. Fucked. Then I won the bronze, came out to my mother, announced I was quitting competitive figure skating, and ran away to live with the Zimmermanns for five months.”
“Oh my Lord,” said Bitty, abandoning all pretense of eating. “That is the most extra thing I have ever heard.”
Disrespect, ATLA, 2k, rated T, gen, written in mid-2020
Toph is sitting next to him, on the other side of the couch with her earbuds in, listening to her economics textbook. Zuko sets his laptop on the floor, every motion deliberate and decided, and scoots across the center of the couch. She hears him coming and lifts her arm to let him snuggle up under. With her other hand, she pauses her phone.
“You okay, Sparky?”
He sighs, feeling himself on a precipice. He shakes his head where it’s pressed against her shoulder.
Around him, the quiet of four people studying hardens into actual silence.
Daiquiris and Celtic Knots, Check Please!, 6k, rated M, Kent/Snowy, written for Fandom Trumps Hate 2019
“Did you find parking okay?”
“Oh, I didn’t bother getting a rental. Took an Uber.”
Jakub makes a face at him. “Take a taxi next time.”
“What have you got against Uber?” Kent pulls up a barstool and accepts a glass of wine.
“I’m union,” says Jakub flatly. “So are you. Take a taxi.”
I Need Direction to Perfection (is there room for one more), Check Please!, 28k, rated E, PBJ, written in 2018
“He’s your husband,” said Kent.
“Again, not cheating,” said Jack. He frowned. “Do you not want to say no?”
Kent glanced at him and looked away quickly again, eyes big. He said nothing.
“What’s wrong?”
“I don’t know,” said Kent. “I have no idea what I’m feeling except there’s too fucking much of it.”
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my take on the infamous kataang kisses
so i just saw this post that spoke highly of Kataang and on how ATLA deals w consent and what's allowed between partners, and i'm... i'm mad, lol.
this has been spoken on before, but since these bad takes are still floating around on the internet, i feel the need to at least vent/give some sort of rebuttal.
i'm not linking or screenshotting this post, but this is word-for-word what was said regarding Kataang (questionable grammar has been transposed as well):
"One of the many things I adore about atla is how the girls are allowed to and do tell their partners off when they cross a line.... Katara gets upset with Aang for kisses her without her consent, and it's never made out to be overly dramatic or unreasonable, it's framed so that the girls are in the right."
HOW does Kataang properly convey this message??
there's a lot to unpack here. like, a lot
just to start off, yes, i'm aware that not all Kataangers believe that the kisses were consensual and can recognize how problematic (and WRONG) they were. but there are some (many) who do not
for the sake of this rebuttal, we're all going to establish and agree on what happened with the Kataang kisses. personally, in the Cave of Two Lovers episode, i don't believe they kissed - if they had kissed, the creators would've made that known in the show; in the Day of the Black Sun episode, it was clear that Katara was NOT pleased w what went down, same with the Ember Island Players episode; the finale kiss was consensual, however, in my opinion, it made absolutely no sense and came out of nowhere.
this is an address to the following various shippers within the ATLA fandom.
to those who DEFEND Aang's actions toward Katara and JUSTIFY these non-consensual kisses:
don't DO this. these portrayals of murky non-con kisses on television are so harmful!! they perpetuate this whole "nice guy" complex where a guy (or anyone) thinks that he (or they) deserve(s) or can take physical affection from others without their consent/mutual feeling. we have such an awful problem in media concerning these sorts of "nice guys" who wind up taking advantage of women simply due to the fact that they know they're nice and feel that they deserve it.
yes, Aang was a child. yes, he was in an iceberg for like 100 years. i work with plenty of preteens from the ages 10-12, and they've all been taught to respect other people's boundaries, especially when it involves romantic (and depending on how old they are, sexual) encounters; it's worth noting that, at least from my experience, guys are significantly less interested in relationships around this age than girls are!
portraying Aang in a light where he simply takes what he wants from Katara multiple times does a disservice both to him as a character and to all who watched the show without having a clear outside understanding of physical boundaries.
to those who claim that the non-con Kataang kisses are good lessons to others on consent
i might have been able to agree with you had the situations been ADDRESSED within the show! but they were NOT.
the non-con Kataang kisses are not a good example of when a girl has been made uncomfortable by a guy or has been touched nonconsensually by one and stands up for herself because we never have a scene where Katara actually stands up for herself!
between the two non-con Kataang kisses that occurred during the show, not even FRACTION of the show was dedicated toward addressing them!
okay, yes, if you rewatch the show as an older teen or an adult with accurate views on consent, then, yes, those non-con kisses can be an example of how pervasive lack of consent is within our past/current culture
but, for the most part, this show is watched by kids. it's a kids' show. ofc it's grown to be much more beyond a kids' show, and there are so many teens/adults who LOVE the ATLA fandom, and that's totally cool! i'm always anti-harassment and anti-bullying-people-for-enjoying-shows-they-love.
for a show that's primarily marketed to children, though, regardless of the time that it was made in (since the 2000's were far less up to date on consent than we are now in the 2020's), if non-con kisses are included, then they should be addressed.
they can only be good lessons if they're addressed, instead of left hanging and teaching children that such non-con kisses are rewarded.
canonizing Kataang, in a way, validated Aang's blatant ignorance of Katara's boundaries which annoys me to no end.
to those who who say that this behavior was FINE because Kataang canonically dated/married
it's not! it's really freakin not!
do you know how many women experience some form of sexual harassment or assault or rape within their lifetime?? 1 in 6!
and do you know how often these women are unable to do anything about it because the person who attacked them is someone that they love or are involved with?
just because one may be in a relationship with another person doesn't simply excuse this type of behavior.
"no" or "i don't think this is a good idea" or "i'm not feeling this" or "maybe later?" or "i don't feel so good" or "we're in the middle of a war right now" or SILENCE -> NOT CONSENT!!
regardless of your relationship with another person, if they do not respect these boundaries, then they have not respected your damn boundaries.
i don't care if they're your boyfriend or your girlfriend or your husband or your wife or your partner. whatever. if they ignore your boundaries, then they are not respecting you, point blank.
closing
it's no secret that i'm a huge anti Kataanger. i first watched the show as a teenager, and while i initially started the show off loving Kataang, as soon as i hit the non-con kisses, i was immediately turned off from the ship and became a huge Zutara shipper (not even knowing which ship was ultimately endgame but especially loving the dynamic between ZK post-Crystal Catacombs scene).
as someone who's survived a relationship with non-con elements present, i cannot in good conscience ship Kataang because of those non-con kisses.
i love both Aang and Katara too much as characters to see them portrayed in such a way. what hurts the most is that all of these issues COULD have been fixed in the show, if there'd been some sort of reconciliation between Aang and Katara, some sort of encounter where Aang recognized that what he did was wrong and Katara learned that it's okay to say no. but this did not happen. so here i am writing a meta/rant/vent about it.
i understand that this post may not be well received, but this is something i really needed to get off my chest (again) because i hate seeing people praising ATLA for its poor examples of consent within relationships. (it literally drives me crazy.)
#nice guy#this isn't proofread#but#anti kataang#pro katara#anti anti aang#i love both aang and katara#and they were both done so dirty in b3#i genuinely love both#i would've given kataang a chance had those non-con kisses not happened#despite shipping zutara#i would've j multishipped or smth#but w the way b3 turned out?#hell no#get that away from me#aang needed to grow the hell up and learn#katara needed to stand up for herself and recognize she needs a partner who's an equal#and they could've been that for each other#or#they could've found other people better suited for each other#cough zutara cough taang#but yeah stop praising bryke for giving good lessons on consent cuz all they did is perpetuate the mentality#by validating and rewarding non-con gestures thru kataang's canonity#long post#sorry#i could write abt why i'm anti kataang all day#despite loving them both so much#zel meta
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Katara hated Zuko. It was a plot point. Sokka never did--and their "friendship" in the show was close to becoming something more--so they were on equal footing and had hinted romance. Zutara is misogynistic--why are you forcing Katara into a relationship with someone she hates? Choose Toph or Suki if you really believe Zuko isn't gay.
there’s so much to unpack here, and i know i should really throw out the whole suitcase, but i just can’t help myself
and please, i beg of you, picture someone laughing so hard that tears are streaming down their face because that’s me right now, reading this ask. i about choked on my eggnog, so thanks for that!
point the first: sokka hated zuko every bit as much as katara did in the first two books. it was a plot point. sokka wanted to leave zuko to die because saving him wouldn’t have been worth the trouble--he was pragmatic and deeply distrustful of anyone who wasn’t in his immediate circle, and that went especially hard for anyone from the fire nation. including the birds!
point the first part two: sokka’s easy acceptance of zuko into the gaang had less to do with any budding friendship or caring for him (since there was none to speak of until the boiling rock episodes), and more to do with a lack of any personal grudge. aka: there was no tension there. nothing to really dig into--no true development of feelings. because aang needed a firebending teacher, zuko was around and willing to take on that role, and also he was a prime roasting target, so sokka was happy enough to let bygones be after he helped them take down combustion man.
which, of course, isn’t to say shipping them isn’t valid. there are plenty of ships that have little to no canon basis but a lot of fandom support, and that’s usually fine....until the fans start getting uppity about it and insisting that there Is Canon Basis Really, and then insisting that the ‘rival’ ship is misogynistic when their alleged ‘canon basis’ requires stripping everything meaningful from the girl’s relationship to the boy and giving it to her brother instead. which is exactly what you’re doing here, but i digress.
point the second: how on earth was sokka and zuko’s ‘friendship’ in the show (and why the scare quotes? were they not actually friends? are you really sitting in my inbox right now devaluing their platonic relationship because you don’t think it exists outside of your belief that they really wanted to fuck the whole time, despite sokka being in a happy relationship with someone else?) ‘close to becoming something more’? when did they ever have a single, solitary conversation that hinted at any ‘deeper’ feelings? sokka spent most of their buddy cop adventure to boiling rock mooning over his girlfriend (heh, get it? mooning? because he- oh, you get the point), to the point where he had literal hearteyes the instant he saw her--and zuko’s purpose there wasn’t to deepen his relationship with sokka so much as it was to reunite sokka and katara with their father, and to see an example of what a healthy paternal relationship actually looks like.
(one of my favorite shots in the show is zuko’s soft smile when sokka and katara are hugging hakoda)
so already your claim that they ‘had hinted romance’ falls incredibly flat, because there was absolutely nothing in the show that was ‘hinting’ they had romantic feelings for one another--in universe or out of it. sokka was happily in love with suki, and even the one scene that i can imagine might make shippers scream--when zuko popped into sokka’s tent late at night--sokka was about to have sex with his girlfriend, and when he asked zuko ‘what’s on your mind’, the first words out of his mouth were your sister.
(and then, as soon as zuko left, sokka was calling for suki again. the next morning, he was making a flower necklace--or a lei. because he got lei’d. it’s amazing the things you pick up when you rewatch the show as an adult lmfao.)
point the third (and this one is really where your argument blows up in your face): your insistence that zutara requires ‘forcing katara into a relationship with someone she hates’ reveals your own ignorance, because it’s demonstrably not true--unless you’re trying to argue that katara hated zuko all the way through to the end of the show, which??? i suppose makes it make more sense that you think zuko and sokka had a hinted romance in the text, because viewing comprehension clearly isn’t your strongsuit.
why are yall so quick to dismiss katara’s own feelings in the name of calling a fictional, noncanon ship ‘misogynistic’? because katara said, in the text, ‘but I am ready to forgive you’--and then she hugged zuko, called him into a group hug with the gaang later, joked (and even flirted) with him on ember island, helped talk him through his anxiety about facing his uncle, and happily agreed to go with him to face his sister, where she saved his life after watching him take a literal bolt of lightning to save hers.
if any of that had happened with sokka, yall would be calling it demonstrable evidence that zuko and sokka are in love. and yet when we use that canonical buildup and the deep bond of friendship and trust zuko and katara have by the end of the series to imagine them getting into a romantic relationship because of feelings developed during these events......you call us misogynistic? really? because we’re ‘forcing’ her into a relationship with someone she ‘hates’....except she didn’t hate him by the end of the series, they were very close friends and had gotten over and had closure from their personal baggage, and that’s the kind of stuff that provides excellent fuel for envisioning a romantic relationship developing!
so what was your argument again?
ETA: i was so busy deconstructing the bulk of your argument that i forgot to address that laughable last line--toph or suki? who had much, MUCH less relationship development with zuko than katara did?? ‘if you really believe zuko isn’t gay’???? im sorry that you can’t recognize a whole bisexual when you see one, but as a bi myself, i know that zuko’s dual-wielding ass couldn’t ‘pick a side’ if his life depended on it. and he had more romantic coding with both jet and katara than he ever had with sokka--that’s just a fact. sorry if the truth hurts, anon!
#atla#zutara#zuko#katara#zukka salt#zukka fandom salt#just covering my bases#sokka#salt for ts#asked#Anonymous
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very rough draft of the start of a zutara fan fic
AU where Aang and Katara don't end up together cuz it doesn't make sense that it would be written that way but anyway, I wrote some pages about what would happen if Zuko's lightning bolt actually hurt him a lot more than it did...my ADHD brain can't remember where I saw that AU from but when I do I will tag u I promise...anyway it's Katara by herself at the palace healing Zuko and then the rest of the Gaang arrives from the Earth Kingdom, where Aang and Suki and Toph and Sokka were all fighting against the fire nation's ambush, cuz it would take more than like. a week probably to get to the same place as Zuko and Katara. Anyway I hope it makes sense I'm tentatively posting the first chapter in case everyone hates it but it's only 3,000 words I think.
(eta the ao3 link)
Book 4: Reconstruction...:)
Book 4: Reconstruction
I need some fresh air. She sighs to herself, rubbing her sore wrists and rising up from the cushion she was kneeling on. Keeping her eyes closed, afraid of the emotions that would flood through her if she snuck a glance at him while she wasn’t intensely focused on his injury, pouring all of her energy into that one spot, both emotional and physical.
It has been two weeks since the comet, and she has been doing all that she can to support him, to try to do something that could in some small way, return the favor for his sacrifice. As soon as her back is to Zuko’s bed, she opens her eyes, and is confronted suddenly with the bigness of this place. The tall, melodramatic metal doors that weigh way more than they need to, the beds with far away canopies rustling above them. Just the mattresses here are the size of her entire igloo back home, and even though it isn’t the first time she has been surrounded by superfluous opulence like this, something about this place feels particularly daunting.
She can sense his pulse, slow, but steady, consistent, as his blood flows through his veins and with it, water. Even when it isn’t a full moon, Katara is able to feel the water in everything, including the people she is surrounded by. She has yet to decide if it is an advantage, or only makes it harder to navigate through the world.
Her legs feel like lead, and she struggles to ignore the dryness of the room, the fires lit in their mantles 10 feet above them sucking all of the moisture out of this space, the lack of water, of that familiarity, making her feel like she is choking, as her breaths become more and more shallow and her heart continues to beat faster and faster, only worsening whenever the memories of that fateful, final Agni Kai come rushing back to her, making everything feel so much worse.
No, I can’t think about that right now. Katara closes her eyes again, and takes a deep breath, trying to replicate the breathing technique Aang taught her the first time he saw her meditating. In through my nose, out through my mouth, that’s what Aang taught me. She tries not to think much more about Aang than this. Too much has happened. Aang is expecting an answer, she is sure of it, an answer she can’t give him. Yet there is a hope swimming just below the surface in her, that this now or never attitude leading up to his battle with Ozai would no longer be there in him, that fire gone, the flames put out.
I have no answer right now, she decides, as she finally gets her legs to take the final steps towards the door. Yearning for a sense of coolness against her increasingly warm skin, she presses her hand against the door, and lets it ground her as she pushes it open, nearly jumping as it creaks and struggles to with each inch that she can shove it open. What is it with rich people and big doors? She chuckles to herself as she remembers storming Ba Sing Se, when things were so simple and yet not simple at all.
Running her fingers through her thick, curly hair trailing down her back, she sucks in all the air that she can in this hallway with much better circulation, finding it easier to keep her balance and move forward. The war may be over, but she is anticipating many battles are going to be fought in the coming weeks and months, battles over territory, freedom, the right to the throne. She has to heal Zuko so that he can advocate for himself, she determines, as she envisions Ozai’s loyal courtiers’ unfounded complaints with Zuko taking the role of the fire lord. She worries for him and she worries for herself. A water tribe peasant, Azula called her during the Agni Kai. Despite her strong demeanor, her ability to inspire other people to recognize their own worth, it is still difficult for Katara not to internalize this when she knows she is surrounded by enemies, no matter how much Iroh tries to reassure her and the rest of them that this is not the case. She has spent far too much time being attacked and assaulted by members of the Fire Nation to naively assume that with a change in power, a change in attitude amongst the people will quickly follow.
Many citizens are still loyal to Ozai. They still see her and Sokka and the rest of the Water Tribe as peasants, as savages with too much power. They are still afraid of waterbenders altogether, as gossip and rumors spread around the nation about Hama in the weeks following her imprisonment. She feels a pang of guilt for how it turned out with her. A Southern Waterbender, alive after all these years that she feared she was the last one, the only one, the one expected to carry on this legacy all by herself. Finally, somebody who understood her struggles, intrinsically, who had fought for so many years to be free, suddenly imprisoned again by people from the same nation that had stolen her away from her home, because she could not let go of her anger against them, like Jet.
She does not want to think about the revenge Hama tried to take on that people. How misdirected it was. How she never wants to be as full of rage and anger and resentment that she would start to do something as heinous.
It doesn’t change that that is how many people from the Fire Nation see her people. She can’t blame Hama for that, it would be wrong to expect any one person to be a representative for their tribe, their culture. “This is all so complicated,” Katara mutters under her breath, as she struggles to breathe, to let herself be free of these thoughts. Her anger, always there, ready to burst out from inside her in the form of an uncontrollable explosion.
Katara barely notices how far she has walked from Zuko’s room, until suddenly she hears a familiar voice call out to her. Startled, she looks up from the floor where she was mindlessly staring as she strolled and sees Sokka and Suki waving over to her from the other side of the hallway.
“Sokka! Suki!” She cries out, as she runs over to them, as fast as she can. “You’re here! You made it!” As she gets closer, she notices the crutch Sokka is leaning on, and her stomach feels like it is full of sand. “Are you okay? I can try my best to heal it, but I’m pretty worn out right now…” She glances at his bandages on his leg and starts to think up the best method for healing him after so much time has passed since his injury. “I’m sorry, I wish I had gotten to it sooner…” Katara begins, but she is interrupted by Sokka,
“Hey, it’s okay! For most of my life you haven’t been able to heal me when I get hurt, so it’s not like I’m not used to being in pain,” he teases, and then lets go of Suki who he was leaning on, as he goes to embrace Katara.
She can feel hot, somehow still dry, tears flow down her cheeks as she relaxes into this hug. While news had spread quickly from the Earth Kingdom to the Fire Nation about Toph, Sokka, Suki, and Aang’s victory in Ba Sing Se, her stomach had been twisted with worry the entire time they had been apart. A lot of it could have been hearsay, and until she got to hug her friends and brother in person, she could not let go of her unease. Hell, the talk of Caldera City was Zuko’s honorable triumph, but nobody who knew the truth of the aftermath of this battle had let it slip to the public that Zuko was in critical condition right now. Only Iroh, Katara, and some of the servants who were helping take care of meals and other menial tasks knew. It would throw this world into even more chaos if every day citizens knew there was a chance that Zuko wouldn’t…no. I don’t want to think about that future. I simply can’t. The guilt overwhelms Katara, but she pushes these negative feelings away and struggles to focus on the present. Sokka’s voice brings her back to the present, as she can feel his quickening heartbeat against her chest, and his tears dripping onto her robe. “We were so worried about you and Zuko, Katara. I’m glad you’re okay.”
She stammers, as she realizes it’s time to break the news to a few more people, wishing Sokka hadn’t let go of her as quickly as he did. She desperately missed her brother, and they hadn’t ever been apart for this long before, in all their side journeys in the past year, and hunting trips prior to that.
“Yes, I’m ok,” she lets the words spill out of her before she has a chance to choke on them, “But, well. Zuko...Zuko got really hurt.” Immediately, she can see the blood drain from both of their faces, and she grabs their hands, trying to comfort them despite not having the ability to comfort herself. “I’m healing him, but it’s still going to take a while. We have to just wait for him to recover.” She smiles, weakly, and fears it looks more like a grimace. “I’m glad you guys are back, though. It’s just been me and Iroh watching over him since the fight.”
Suki squeezes her hand, and the sadness and sympathy mix together in the look she gives Katara. “I’m really glad you’re okay. We’re here for you guys,” her smile sweet and boring into the deepest parts of Katara as she finishes speaking. Katara is taken aback, as her skin crawls with the thought that Suki understands, already, what happened at that Agni Kai, even if she doesn’t know the full details.
Sokka furrows his brows, and she can feel his warmth and fear as he nods in agreement with Suki. “Toph and Aang are in the courtyard with the Turtleduck pond, can we go see him with them?”
Of course, a practical response from Sokka. She knows better though. He is close with Zuko in different ways than Katara, but this was crushing for him too. She tries her best to smile reassuringly, as she fights back tears that are full of frustration and fear and anger and a deep, hollow grief that she hasn’t felt since Aang was struck by Azula, what feels like years ago but was only 4 months ago. In these four months, so much has changed, including feeling ready to face Aang. That kiss, just up and leaving, wasn’t ok and Katara wasn’t going to accept any excuses about it, just apologies.
He left everyone to go off on their separate missions, never really knowing whether or not those separation missions would be worth the danger they were putting themselves in, and that blind faith she was able to put in him when they first met was starting to get really old.
“So?” Suki chimes, pulling Katara out of her own thoughts.
“Oh, sorry,” she blushes, “I spaced out for a second. Um…” she tries to come up with an excuse for her sudden zoning out. “I’m worried about leaving Zuko by himself for a long time, and it’s been about twenty minutes so, I better get back, but stop by with everyone, sure.”
Suki gives her a quick squeeze of the arm, as they both walk off a few minutes after listening to Katara’s directions. Her chest feels tight, and she turns in the opposite direction as them, going back to Zuko.
They still don’t know how he got hurt. She doesn’t want to tell them, after so many instances of Toph teasing her about Jet and Haru, and well, she doesn’t want to hear it. Especially when Toph can feel her heartbeat. That damn seismic sense, she chuckles to herself, trying to let herself joke around a little bit.
Suddenly she is back in front of the door. She tries to shake off her anxieties and pulls the door open, the cold handle no longer soothing her but sending chills down her spine. This time, she keeps her eyes open as she walks back in, and all of the feelings she had been able to push down while talking to Sokka and Suki started to bubble up to the surface again, her cheeks feeling hot and dry, too dry. She wished she could bend a cloud of mist around herself, but knew that all of her energy had to be devoted to healing Zuko.
His familiar heartbeat suddenly found itself back on her radar, and she tried to hold back her tears and desire to just collapse and give up. But it was her duty to heal him. Her duty to heal him, the Fire Lord, just like it was hers to heal the Avatar. There was no way that any Northern healer would be willing to come down to heal the Fire Lord, nor would they be able to get there in time. So even if there were people more skilled, more capable, she knew that in order to maintain balance, it was her job to keep his heart beating.
#atla zuko#prince zuko#firelord zuko#zuko and katara deserved better#avatar the last airbender#team avatar#the gaang#zutara#anti kataang#toph beifong#toph#sokka#aang#avatar fanfiction#fanfic#ao3fic#book 4: reconstruction
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*moon walks in* have you ever written anything for zutara? If not that’s cool *moon walks out*
I’ve written a piece, yes. It’s a what-if on Zuko’s scar getting healed by Katara instead of them getting interrupted after their conversation in the catacombs:
"It's a scar. It can't be healed."
"This is water from the Spirit Oasis at the North Pole. It has special properties, so I've been saving it for something important. I don't know if it would work, but..."
Likewise, Zuko didn't know why he allowed Katara to touch his scar. He'd long grown used to the fact that he had it, but that also didn't mean he let people idly touch it like it were something to gawk and poke at.
And what did he really expect? That his scar would be magically taken away, just like that? His life had never been that easy. He'd struggled all throughout his existence, and any wounds caused along the way were likely there to stay.
This girl was clearly fooling herself, acting as if it'd just be--
"Yeah, I--" Katara summoned forth her spirit water. "--I think this might work."
He gave her a weird look, though given that his neutral expression usually made him come off as sour anyway, she probably couldn't tell. "What?"
She seemed to ignore him, her spirit water bending around her hand. She looked up at him, eyes briefly squinting like she was unsure, then stared down at the spirit water with the same expression. She took a breath, apparently solving whatever mental debate she was having as she raised her hand to touch his scar again.
He flinched, and then hated himself for flinching. The water had been freezing.
"Oh!" she gasped. "Sorry. You're a firebender, so it must be too cold for you."
He was almost suspicious, but the look in her eyes seemed genuine. He had a slew of responses for her, most of which were sarcastic, but he somehow ended up saying, "It's fine. I can handle it," instead.
She tilted her head, concerned, but that just made him more determined to prove her wrong. He forced himself to stand rigidly in place, staring her down like he was ready for a fight.
She snorted - actually snorted - at him! Was she amused? The nerve!
"Alright, hold still," she ordered gently, raising her hand again.
Zuko tried not to look so obviously like he was steeling himself up. Thanfully, if Katara had noticed anything this time, she showed no sign of it, and the water touched his face without issue. He was surprised in a way, as he'd expected her to make the water colder just out of spite.
It was nice to be wrong, he supposed.
The water felt strange against his skin. He couldn't see what she was doing obviously, his left eye closed from the water while his right could see a bit of her hand if he really tried. Katara's gaze, meanwhile, was focused and steady, never wavering from where her hand was.
He was only forced to stop looking when the water began to glow. The temperature of the water suddenly stopped mattering, as he couldn't determine it. Maybe it was numbing him?
He could feel the vibration as the liquid shifted like a calming wave, like it were washing over the left side of his face over and over despite it already being submerged. At first, he didn't understand how it felt like it was seeping into his skin, seeking impurities and washing them away, without hurting him at all.
But water was the opposite of fire. His father's flames had burned him and the heat had dug so deeply as to leave a scar, so it would only make sense if water could reverse it. He'd just never imagined it was possible, and he was more glad than anything else that the light forced him to close his eyes as to avoid Katara seeing any more emotion than he was comfortable sharing.
Could someone's sins really be washed away with something as simple as water?
Suddenly, there was the sound of rocks collapsing nearby, jarring both he and Katara out of their state. Katara staggered forward in surprise, but seemed compelled to keep her hand on the left side of his face. Likewise, he tried not to move, unsure of how interrupting the process would go and not wanting to tempt fate.
His left eye couldn't see beyond the now-faint light of the healing water, while the right could only stare at Katara. She'd averted her gaze, presumably to look at what'd caused the disturbance, and although Zuko couldn't see it himself from where he was at, he knew well enough that she was capable and would say something if anything were wrong.
Katara's eyes widened. "Aang!"
Recognizing the name of the Avatar, Zuko's head twitched on reflex to look, only barely managing to keep the rest of himself still as Katara's hand was still on him. She went through something similar, shifting her body as if to run off before remembering the situation.
She peered up at him, the light intensifying now that her focus had returned. She tilted her head and eyed him critically as she ran her thumb where his scar was. He may've taken the critical gaze personally under normal circumstances, but he supposed it was just the water having an effect on him.
Finally, the light died down, Katara pulling her hand away along with the water. Zuko was immediately hit with the strange sensation of just the left side of his face, covering it with his hand in surprise at the shift in his vision.
Katara had already run off. He straightened, looking over to see her in the middle of hugging Aang, who was currently glaring at him. Iroh was nearby, rushing to Zuko to embrace him. It wasn't that Zuko wasn't happy to see his uncle, but he focused on returning Aang's glare, not sure what the Avatar's motives are.
Given that, he wondered aloud, "Uncle, I don't understand. What are you doing with the Avatar?"
Aang broke away from Katara and replied, as if he'd been asked, "Saving you, that's what."
Needless to say, Zuko didn't appreciate the cheekiness in his tone. He tried to move, ready to fight, but Iroh hugged him tighter to prevent him from going anywhere.
"Zuko, it's time we talked," he said sternly, but quietly. Finally pulling away - allowing Zuko to lower his hand from his face - Iroh turned to face Katara and Aang. "Go help your other friends. We'll catch up with you."
Aang bowed, then ran off for the nearest cave. Katara followed, but kept a slower pace to look back at Zuko.
He saw a slight raise of her brows, then a smile that wasn't directed at the Avatar, but at him. He tried not to show too much of a reaction to it, not matter how bizarre it was, but that didn't stop him from continuing to maintain eye contact until she'd fully disappeared into the cave.
Then, remembering himself and that Iroh had never answered his question, he turned. "Why, Uncle?"
Iroh faced him, looking serious. "You're not the man you used to be, Zuko. You--" He cut himself off, eyes going wide and mouth dropping open in surprise. Apparently, all the seriousness had just drained out of him. "You're really not the man you used to be!"
"What?" Zuko asked, but realized a second later exactly where Iroh was staring. Bringing a hand up to his face, he finally felt along where his scar was.
Or rather, where his scar used to be. His skin was smooth, his vision just as good in his left eye as it was in his right. In fact, the only sign that there'd been a scar at all was his lack of a left eyebrow, though that could grow back with time.
"The... Katara," he began, "she used a type of water she got at a spirit oasis."
"A spirit--of course..." Iroh's expression regained its calmness as he placed a hand on Zuko's shoulder. "Zuko, listen to me. You are stronger and wiser and freer than you have ever been, and now you have come to the crossroads of your destiny."
Zuko raised a brow (well, the only one he had), not sure he understood.
Iroh continued, "It's time for you to choose. It's time for you to choose good."
Zuko opened his mouth, but the conversation was cut off by a sudden earthquake. He managed to keep his balance, but a slew of crystals suddenly burst through the ground, separating him from Iroh and trapping the latter in a crystal prison.
He gaped at the sight, then assumed a fighting position at nothing in particular and readied himself, not showing any emotion even as Azula descended form the sides of the crystal chamber alongside what he presumed to be two earthbenders.
Walking to Zuko and Iroh, Azula kept up her usual demeanor despite his vanished scar. "I expected this kind of treachery from Uncle, but Zuko," she began, "Prince Zuko, you're a lot of things, but you're not a traitor, are you?"
Zuko glared. "Release him immediately!"
"It's not too late for you, Zuko," Azula insisted as she stopped in front of him, not paying his order any mind. "You can still redeem yourself."
Iroh shouted to Zuko from his containment in the crystals, "The kind of redemption she offers is not for you!"
"Why don't you let him decide, Uncle?" Azula challenged. She glanced back at Zuko, voice softening as she continued, "I need you, Zuko. I've plotted every move of this day - " She raised a fist for emphasis. " - this glorious day in Fire Nation history, and the only way we win is together. At the end of this day, you will have your honor back. You will have Father's love. You will have everything you want."
Father's love? Everything he wanted?
"Zuko," Iroh called out gingerly, "I am begging you. Look into your heart and see what it is that you truly want."
Zuko looked back and forth between the two, Azula's eyes unusually gentle while Iroh's were as gentle as they always had been. However, he lowered his gaze, not meeting either.
"You are free to choose," Azula said. She raised a hand, the gesture wordlessly telling her guards to leave the premises. That done, she simply walked off into the cave that Aang and Katara had gone.
Zuko thought back to Iroh, though still not looking at him. I'm begging you, he'd said, and it was familiar because he'd said it before. Zuko had been down this path before, being asked what he wanted and what his "destiny" really was back when he tried to take the Avatar's bison. He remembered it well.
I'm begging you, Prince Zuko! It's time for you to look inward and begin asking yourself the big questions. Who are you, and what do you want?
Prince. Iroh had called him that, even back then. Azula was doing it now as well, but...
Zuko knew deep down that it was one of her tricks. He'd played her games too many times; been played too many times. He wasn't foolish enough to think otherwise, but he also couldn't be sure that Azula would betray him completely.
Already, he could hear a fight ensuing in the the direction that Azula had gone. His feet were itching to move; to do something, but what?
Iroh spoke up, "You said it was water from a spirit oasis."
Zuko glanced over at him, giving him his attention.
Iroh continued, "Zuko, that scar you had was full of suffering and terrible memories. Had you truly wanted to go back to that, I'm sure that you wouldn't have been able to be healed from it." He shook his head, his voice thick with sorrow. "All this time, you've been trying to make up for something I've never held against you."
"What do you mean?"
"Think," Iroh urged. "You spoke up, yes, but against the idea of lives being lost! Are you going to apologize for that?!"
Zuko blinked, eyes wide at the fact that he'd never thought of that.
Iroh's voice softened. "I'm sorry that I let you into that meeting. I had to live with that guilt for the scar you had on your face."
"What? Uncle, no, I'm the one--"
"You were young, but you were already a far better Fire Lord than your father will ever be. You cared about the lives of others even if they weren't for your own benefit. I'm proud of you, and I'm so happy that you have a moment to start over again." He paused, squirming briefly within the crystal restraints. Realizing that he was firmly stuck, he looked back to Zuko, uttering firmly, "Go."
"But, Uncle--"
"Go!"
Zuko's feet finally moved. He dashed past Iroh and into the cave as quickly as he could.
He felt stupid. He felt pathetic. He'd spent all this time torn and twisted between two sides when his heart had made up its mind a long time ago and his body struggled to listen.
"The Fire Nation took my mother away from me."
"I'm sorry. That's something we have in common."
Common. Relating to someone was not something he often did. His father and sister had long since convinced him that he was less than nothing without earning his honor back, but what did honor mean? If he was less than nothing, why could he get so close to the Avatar and his bison with his own efforts?
The only thing he had in common with Ozai and Azula was blood, and it'd been boiling away ever since he'd been banished.
Who are you, and what do you want?
As he made it out of the cave, he jumped, letting out a blast of fire between the ongoing fight that Azula, Katara, and Aang were having. They all stared at him as he landed, his stance ready for action as he looked around at the lot of them. Now that his mind was clear, he could see the almost expectant look in Azula's eyes, along with a hidden threat if he dared to betrayed her.
He was no pawn. Not anymore. He wrote his own destiny.
"I'm Zuko," he declared firmly. "and I want the kind of honor that you and my father could never give me!"
He inhaled, then thrust his arms forward to let out a blast of fire so loud that it drowned his own cry of frustration. Years of pent-up aggression were put into the flames, and he just barely caught the sight of his sister's wide eyes before she almost seemed to become engulfed in it. It wasn't that he thought he'd truly destroy her with it, but finally letting it out gave him a sense of freedom he hadn't felt before.
Aang and Katara flung themselves back due to the heat, despite not being within the flames' particular range. Aang gaped, confused, then glanced at Katara for answers.
But she wasn't looking at Aang. She was meeting Zuko's gaze with her own. For the moment of calm in the battle, they simply stared at one another.
They said nothing, but shared an unspoken promise, held together by the simple commonality they shared.
Let's take down the Fire Nation together.
#other: non ml talk#((Could've sworn that I'd posted this a long time ago. Sorry about that!))#Zutara
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every time I remember devery jacobs auditioned for rey in star wars I hate that I can envision the ripple effect of disney + fandom racism it would have caused...
like realistically either oscar isaac or john boyega would not have been cast, though boyega might've gotten to retain his accent vs her adopting an english one. kelly marie tran certainly wouldn't have been cast. they might not have even created the tico sisters if there was no need to drive the white + black leads apart and into other characters' arms...
the whole reylo ship would never have exploded with obnoxious fans the way it did, because of racism, which is annoying because yeah I hate the ship, but it would've been scrapped to brutalize an indigenous rey— rise of skywalker & last jedi would never have been scripted the way they were with a woman of color at the helm— or worse tbh, it would be both more brutal AND still romanticized in-script or by fans (it's no coincidence when you see what other ships people who adored reylo support, and I've been blocked by enough people who got mad I publicly agreed w boyega specifically calling out twitter nerd racism to feel very comfortable talking shit about the distinct media consumption patterns they have in common lmao)... and if her casting meant we've gotten whitefinn, finnlo would be the ship we'd all be hating on in its place.
hell, finnrey might not have even been initially plotted in the first place (ik it was officially scrapped by disney/lf despite the seeds of it being established enough in the initial script it had to be stricken from the tfa novelization, but we might not have even gotten as far as having something TO scrap). or tbh maybe rey would've been sidelined for a whitefinn more... or maybe both would've been sidelined for extra kylo screentime.
it's honestly just all very shades of legend of korra vs avatar the last airbender—
like what are the choices you make with the indigenous female character when she's a love interest? would her brutalization at the hands of the story's "bad boy" be racialized & personalized in a nastier way than said villain's interactions with every other character, as with zutara? would all her accomplishments still be in service of somebody else, her mastery still come behind the person she in fact teaches, because she's not THE hero? does your follow up story leave her in a far more passive role than her male or non-indig counterparts, with far less screentime & influence even in her own family's lives than her romantic partner?
and then you flip it around to korra, and what kinds of torture are you willing to put the indigenous female character through that you weren't willing to do to your LAST main character/hero? what kind of torture will you say she deserves or needs to overcome to be "worthy" of a role someone who came before her didn't have to be physically broken into? what kind of nasty white gaze cultural genocide pro assimilationist subplots will she be turned into a mouthpiece of in-story? what kind of busted ass romances will she be made to test drive without being given an ON SCREEN unambiguous canonical happy ending?
and I'm sorry, but to take all that, which is frankly a HIGH bar compared to some lucasfilm properties, and put it in the hands of... what, people who have made multiple racist projects in a movie universe with multiple racist films already?
and I love the mandalorian tv show, don't get me wrong, but the franchise's best talents have come from star wars tv shows & the eu, and in mando we STILL got a scene of "a group of mandos led by an inexplicable white woman immediately tried to hate crime old ass boba fett because they heard his maori accent"?
admittedly that's one of my biggest mando-specific gripes (vs things I sort of generally hate about the star wars universe), but like, in 20+ years the universe has had ONE... ONE indigenous subplot going with django & boba fett + the clones (longer if you include to ot but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt since we didn't see boba's face until the prequels; I'm also graciously ignoring the tusken raiders narratives, but mostly that's bc it falls under the umbrella of my general sw hates since they are literally the kind of background texture racism you'd see in a john wayne flick and I don't have the energy or sustained interest to unpack all of star wars' racism, it is a neverending chain of clown handkerchiefs). but from the moment we were introduced to django and boba as unmasked people, the franchise hasn't avoided racial fuckups around them even with literal decades of practice to work out the narrative bugs.
like I wish it could've been good, but ultimately, you gotta be honest with yourself & recognize the people running the circus would've found a new way to fuck shit up even if they'd managed to avoid kathleen kennedy's "white english brunettes" hangup, because there's plenty more equally fucked up baggage where that came from, AND fandom is frequently & consistently of the fucking devil. even my own false optimism couldn't sell me that bridge in new york, y'all.
#now consider this: i clocked korra by first ep of se2 as only getting worse & i do Not follow star wars lore#so if i can be this correct & well informed & wonderful on limited data with very little investment (bc i don't even rly like sw like that)#imagine how i would act if i gave a shit or if it was sth more involved & that pissed me off more if i read it like game of throne...#this is also why i disengaged w star trek for the most part since kurtzman & orci took over + why i don't engage w marvel anymore lol#there's shit that i am not loyal over! immediate & ETERNAL disloyalty grudges & fucking hatred if you cross certain lines with me okay!#ugh anyway. this big brain is a burden y'all#adhd midnite rants & all...#sw
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I think one of the things that made me go from neutral to hating Zutara was them ignoring Katara's own agency in her attraction to Aang. For all their talk of feminism they choose to forget that Katara CHOSE to kiss him on the cheek, CHOSE to kiss him in the cave, CHOSE to be touchy-feely with him during training, CHOSE to be jealous of On Ji. Not saying Aang was perfect for kissing her during a stressful war time, but towards the end he didn't initiate kisses with her until the very end when she CHOSE to make the first move.
But anon, if they recognize Katara's agency, they won't be aple to ignore her actual choices to project their own fantasies onto! And if they acknowledged the show DID give her agency, it'd completely invalidate their (already stupid) claim that Zutara is the "feminist" ship and that anyone who dislikes it must be sexist by default.
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evermore chapter 49: a quest for revenge
Prompt 11: revenge
Pairing: Zutara
Zuko sighed into his fire whiskey before he dumped the rest down his throat. He hated parties, but as the Crown Prince, it was obligatory for him to be in attendance. It was frustrating because these lavish balls were mostly a way for his father to stroke his ego. Zuko was just grateful that he could use it as an excuse to get drunk.
“You know, brother, you shouldn't sulk so much,” Azula drawled as she came to stand beside him. “All that frowning causes wrinkles and well, you have enough skin problems as it is.”
He scowled at her from the corner of his eye—his good eye, as his left was mangled by the scar his sister had so kindly pointed out. Scarred by his father for his disrespect.
“Anyway, it’s unbecoming of a prince to brood in the corner at these sorts of events,” she went on, tossing her hair over her shoulder. “You should be out there, dancing with the daughters of noblemen and military leaders, currying favor.”
“That sounds shallow and like a waste of my time,” Zuko grumbled back.
“It’s called networking, darling,” Azula replied as she patted his unscarred cheek. “If you intend to rule the Fire Nation one day, you ought to start doing that now.”
Zuko resisted the urge to roll his eyes. The last thing he wanted to do was put hours of chivalry lessons into use. The daughters of said noblemen and military leaders didn’t care about him. They only cared for his status, coveting the desirable role of future Fire Lady.
A lot of good that did for Mother, he thought bitterly.
“I’d rather drink my weight in fire whiskey,” he said.
Azula huffed out a breath. “Be careful, Zuzu, or you might end up like our fuddy-duddy uncle, too drunk to know what day it is.”
Zuko was about to offer a retort in defense of their uncle when something caught his eye along the far fringe of the room. There was a beautiful woman there, dressed in an elegant red dress trimmed in gold, her dark hair cascading freely over her shoulders. He narrowed his eyes. He didn’t recognize her, but by Agni, she was gorgeous.
“Who is that?” he asked Azula.
“Who?”
He pointed. Azula followed his finger until she spotted the woman, her lips pursing in recognition.
“She’s the daughter of some rich merchant out of the southern provinces,” Azula remarked. “She only arrived a few days ago, here to try her luck for a husband at court.”
“I see.”
Zuko set his empty tumbler down and started towards the woman. He heard Azula’s amused laugh from behind him, but he paid her no attention.
“So, someone has finally caught the eye of the prince, hm?” Azula called teasingly after him, but he ignored her.
Zuko didn’t stop until he had reached the woman. He saw that she had beautiful dusky skin and brilliant blue eyes. Water Tribe traits, he noted. But he didn’t think twice of it. Minister Huang had a wife from the Northern Water Tribe, although no one liked to talk about how that happened.
“Excuse me, my lady,” Zuko said formally as he offered her his hand. “Would you care to dance?”
She offered him a bright smile and a bow. “I would love to, my prince.”
Zuko led her out onto the dance floor. He learned her name—Ahmya. She was so beautiful, and her laughter was like a melody.
They went through three dances before they got something to drink—more fire whiskey for him, and volcanic wine for her. They danced and drank until Zuko could feel the ache in his legs. Apparently, Ahmya felt it too.
“Is there someplace more…quiet where we can rest?” she asked him breathlessly.
“Of course,” Zuko replied. “Come with me, my lady.”
He escorted her out of the ballroom to one of the many private sitting rooms. Ahmya immediately went to the small cabinet with the liquor in it in the corner of the room as Zuko dropped onto a chaise lounge.
“So where are you from, Ahmya?” he asked as she prepared the drinks.
“Jang-Hui, your highness,” she replied. “My father oversees the factory there.”
“I see,” Zuko said.
She carried two tumblers with whiskey in them over to him with a smile. Zuko took the one she offered and tipped it back, polishing it off in one drink. Ahmya sat beside him and sipped her drink.
“Now, how shall we entertain ourselves?” she purred.
Zuko felt heat settle low in his belly as he met her sultry gaze. A smirk tugged at the corner of his lips.
“I can think of a few things,” he replied.
He leaned over and kissed her. Ahmya kissed him back fervently, and somehow she ended up in his lap.
After a few minutes, Zuko began to feel sleepy. He blinked his eyes to shake off the feeling, but it persisted. His body began to feel heavy, and his hands slipped down her hips as his head dropped onto the back of the chaise.
“Wha’s happenin’?” he slurred as Ahmya pulled back.
There was a glint in her eye as she pressed her hand to his chest. His heart pulled painfully, and Zuko gasped sharply.
“My name is Katara,” she told him as consciousness began to fade in and out, her lip curled back in a snarl. “And I’m here for revenge.”
And then the darkness swallowed him up.
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I’m still a little new to Tumblr and I didn’t realize that when I made a dumb meme 3 weeks ago that I’d still be getting reblogs on it today. And it got me thinking. Why is there such a huge stigma with antis saying people ship Zutara because they see themselves as Katara and have a crush on Zuko? Because some people ship it for that reason and having antis commonly throw that around as an insult is ridiculous. Like, if I saw myself as Katara, then of course I’d want to date Zuko!
I’d love to be with someone who helps me take care of my friends instead of adding on to the burden of looking out for everyone. I’d love to be with someone who makes tea for everyone and tells bad jokes because dammit I’m tired after making dinner for 8 people and I need something to laugh about. I’d love to be with someone who looks out for my friends’ safety, gains their trust, and becomes comfortable with them. I’d love to be with someone who recognizes how important family is, and be willing to go to prison with my brother to bust out my dad. I’d love to be with someone who prioritzes my safety and save me from falling rocks even though they’re on the other side of the room and somebody else could have easily done the same. I’d love to be with someone who respects my space and when I say “you can get off of me now” they listen. I’d love to be with someone who would do all of the above even though they know that I hate them and don’t trust them because of a mistake they made. I’d love to be with someone who doesn’t ignore my anger and instead validates my emotions. I’d love to be with someone who asks “what can I do to make it up to you?” instead of giving me an empty apology. I’d love to be with someone who goes the extra mile and seeks out my brother to gain more insight on what’s bothering me. I’d love to be with someone who understands and empathizes with my trauma and recognizes that I need closure. I’d love to be with someone who takes me on a journey so I can gain closure and finally start to heal from said trauma. I’d love to be with someone who trusts in my decisions and lets me make them on my own instead of lecturing me on making a certain choice. I’d love to be with someone who sees me at my lowest point and instead of running away stands by my side. I’d love to be with someone who views me as a person instead of a Paragon of Virtue 24/7 because they know damn well that everyone is imperfect. I’d love to be with someone who values my opinion of them and works hard for my forgiveness. I’d love to be with someone who views me as an equal and doesn’t hesitate to ask for my help with fighting his sister, especially since that might be the most emotional, nerve-racking fight of his life. I’d love to be with someone who loves me so selflessly that he’d be willing to lay down his life for me, even when I’m probably expendable and he’s the crown prince of a nation.
tl;dr The next time an anti says you only ship Zutara because you project onto Katara and have a crush on Zuko, take it as a compliment instead of an insult. It means you have standards and want good things for yourself.
#is this considered salt?#i gotta defend my fellow shippers ya know?#any reason to ship zutara is a valid reason#i'm not gonna judge#but i still stand by what i said in the other post#hakoda is my type and that's that#hot single dads in your area#count me in#zutara#zuko x katara#katara x zuko
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