#zoe and andre are sure to come but will audrey?

[goatlilly]

Queen Bee and Venadrone

Meet Audrey and Andre Bourgeois the Bee—AKA Queen Bee and Venadrone. The bee is first used by Lady Luck as a fusion power to stop Style Queen. She uses it to defeat her, but the exertion of using two miraculous at once forces her to release the Bee, or else risk transforming back. She’s worn out enough that she isn’t able to stop Audrey from taking the Bee miraculous from her right there. Audrey thinks that maybe with superpowers of her own she’ll finally be able to force others to respect her. Audrey’s first “real hero” moment is when Chloe gets akumatized into Queen Wasp (a powered down version of the canon version, in imitation of her mother’s new powers,) in order to prove to her mother that she is exceptional. Audrey uses her miraculous to stop Chloe. She then walks away with the miraculous, and Lady Luck is unable to force her to give it back. Eventually Audrey decides she’s had enough of Paris, and chooses to leave her miraculous behind in the care of her Husband, telling Andre to make sure it isn’t stolen. Eventually he uses it for the first time is Soul Crusher, in order to help the other heroes save Zoe from herself. He starts to grow something of a backbone over time, and when his wife returns to Paris and demands the bee miraculous back, he’s able to muster enough courage to tell her no for the first time in his life.

So there you go. I had fun with these two—their designs were easier to come up with than some of the other designs I’ve put out, and I feel like I wouldn’t change much. Hope you all like them too.

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[princess-of-the-corner]

More toxic yuri headshot AU stuff, best read after the last ask I sent which you may not have seen yet, but:

Chloe rattled off the password to Andre's computer before leaving in the original snippet. The more long term journalists stayed behind to raid it and oh boy oh boy did they find some juicy things.

Ladybug doming a civilian may have been the front page but there was so much mroe to come. Suffice to say Zoe got a surprise phone call from Andre along the lines of:

"Hello new daughter, want to go on a holiday!?" "What? Chloe just got killed and you want to go on holiday?" "Not interested, so sad. Well bye!"

Basically he bailed to avoid a lot of criminal charges and his assets were lost in various lawsuits. Audrey got off marginally better in that her wage was just garnished to pay for Chloe's expenses until she was an adult and now they pretend they don't know each other.

(Audrey's a massive asshole but I don't think she's committed crimes the same way Andre was blatantly corrupt and if she did they'd be in New York and not something Chloe would be able to reveal)

With the donation money, dividends from the law suits, Audrey, and being able to extort cash from Felix whenever (Whether she does so is up in the air) Chloe has a wealth of resources and likely disperses it in a few places so she always has 'something' to fall back on.

Chloe doesn't handle a lot of the day to day stuff for her assets besides occasionally getting contracts and security double checked. She is still popular on social media even as the years pass.

Chloe's essentially become a public figure and just kind of always around even if its not always clear what she does. She often gets brought on to commentate on politics and do opinion pieces on the nature of power, and the like. Interestingly, she's rather good at it and maintains the best person to have power is someone who doesn't want to use it, which is also reflective of her current self.

IE all the magic & money she secured exists as a shield, not a sword.

Lila's influence is a bit more clear cut, she definitely has a social media presence dedicated to their daughter, and one to herself and one to their family. She manages a lot of day to day business stuff, but most of all, I think she commissioned a book about her, and indirectly, Chloe's experiences.

IE,

Lila knows its only a matter of time until someone revealed her whole "try to get Marinette expelled" gambit and she does not want to get cancelled on social media.

So she got out ahead of it by having a tell all book about her and to a degree Chloe's experiences with Gabriel, Andre and Hawk Moth. Lila has some recordings of her chats with Gabriel so she blames him for her harassing Marinette:

"I was but an innocent waif being threatened by a fully grown man!"

While also re-framing some of her and Chloe's other history in a more charitable light.

Marinette actually gets portrayed semi sympathetically in the book, save that she is portrayed a s a HUGE Ladybug stan and oh boy does Ladybug get pillored.

Like imagine Forged AU Chloe's view on her with Lila's "She used her powers to personally humiliate me" angle, and then that Ladybug had cracked open someone's head on TV.

Suffice to say the book was a best seller even if Chloe was not thrilled about all that shit getting published. Sure much of it was about Lila, but still, exposure is a threat, vulnerability is bad!

There's likely a TV series or movie adaptions. Lila's probably not super thrilled that Chloe tends to get slotted into the hero role IE the one who saves Lila, gets her back into school and such. But its still another source of fame, revenue & regard.

chaos tbh

[imthepunchlord]

Sorry for the question, but which ML fanfics are you working on? Any chance of a "Off to..." or "Chasing a Butterfly" coming soon?

At this time, it's the Miraculous Rewrite, Copycat, and Manynette Sodium Rich Edition.

I have also thought of Dodged a Beetle, Off to (Italy), the idea of the what if Alya and Nino were chosen as the lead heroes, Get Your Stripe On!, and Zodiac heroes.

And with the gradual Miraculous rewatch, there are other ideas that have come up/back to me, like the Parent Swap au, which is a technically semi life swap au, exploring what if this parent wound up with a different partner instead (like the primary two are Marinette being the daughter of Gabriel and Sabine while Adrien was Tom and Emilie, or what if Gabriel and Audrey did marry while Andre and Emilie married).

With Paris Special was intrigued to explore my own idea on what the universe of Alya and Zoe as the lead heroes could be like.

So there's quite a few Miraculous ideas hanging around, though at this time, I will say I am more focused on original writing. So I can't say for sure if an update for anything Miraculous will come soon.

[nerdy-chocomallow]

I really like your ideas for Zoe's backstory, thanks for sharing!🥰

I agree that Zoe's father seems like he would stand up to Audrey a bit more. Maybe the "always too busy" comment was her complaining that he didn't always leave everything to satisfy her every whim like Andre does...

I kinda see Audrey doing to Zoe the same she did to Chloe: Being there sometimes, then leave for a long time, and when she's back her daughters do everything they can to impress her, to show that they are worthy of her love, which in the end just caused the girls to have problems in school and their social lives. Chloe because she became a bully, and Zoe because she was in a way two-faced around everyone and finally became a target for bullying.

I know in canon Zoe was created to replace Chloe so she wouldn't have to complete her redemtion arc, but I would've loved it if we could have both Zoe and Chloe's redemption. And let Zoe be a big part of that arc, since they both have similar experiences with their mother (I know there are already other characters like that could do that like Adrien, Sabrina or Marinette... But WHAT IF Zoe had to fill that role?). They can bond and resent her together, let them realize how toxic she is.

And then, instead of Chloe being akumatized yet again into the mayor, it's Audrey the one getting akumatized out of frustration because her daughters don't respect her anymore (I saw some art of Chloe and Zoe stealling Audrey's credit card and going on shopping sprees with it, it so funny and cute! So maybe they did something like that to her, which would be Audrey's last straw). Then, when the akuma is defeated, Audrey divorces Andre and leaves Paris, maybe she threatens to take Chloe with her, because "Zoe is a bad influence", but that's when Andre steps up and finally stands up to Audrey, to defend BOTH daughters (that would make him a tiny bit more redeemable for me). So Audrey leaves, and without her influence, Chloe and Zoe can finally be themselves without worrying about meeting her expectations.

I liked Chloe a lot before season 4, so I kinda rewrote the whole story so I can have her redemption arc and Zoe not being a nice replacement for her. I wanted them to bond as sisters with mommy issues🥺

What do you think? I kinda talked more about Chloe than Zoe here, sorry😅. It's just that I hate when shows put siblings against each other. Sure, they can fight and argue, that's normal, but at the end, they're still family.

And since I headcanon Zoe having a very lonely childhood, it's fair to assume she would have loved to have a sibling to play with.

Thanks, I love coming up ideas for Zoé as much as I can. I think Audrey would think that Zoé can be exceptionally as she is because in one frame of Sole Crusher, you catch that she actually smiles at her daughter, which can be animation error but I took it as she actually a bit happy to see her because she knows Zoé wouldn’t be herself around her.

Also I agree, Audrey should been akumatized mayor in season, working with Gabriel and Tomoe since it kinda seems it would work better than having Chloé being Lila’s lackey and Monarch’s pawn as well. And I think Audrey leaving Paris for good and reputation ruin would be a satisfy way to end her character. Also I would have Zoé’s dad move to Paris for his daughter and to mend their relationship since he regrets it.

As for Chloé, I like your idea for her and I agree with that her getting redemption arc and Zoé can coexist together peacefully. And I would get Lila involved with this, since she needs Chloé for her plans. Which would have Zoé trying to get her sister to believe her and use acting skills on Lila and Lila trying to manipulate Chloé and worsen their relationship. Which ends with Chloé deciding not to let Lila control her and bond with her sister because of it. Which she could stay in Paris or leave with André somewhere, so André started being a good dad and Chloé still having contact with Zoé and start to improve as a person. But that’s how I would do it.

Let me know what you think!

[marblerunning]

What would you think if Chloe and Audrey heard rumours about the way they were going to be portrayed in Astruc’s new movie, so they went back to Paris in an unsuccessful attempt to stop the movie from being completed? Then an evilized villain (maybe a wishmaker-like villain or maybe even a villain that's unrelated to the butterfly miraculous) caused Chloe and Zoe to switch bodies somehow, and nobody fully understands what's going on, so Zoe (in Chloe's body) is taken by Audrey back to New York, despite Zoe desperately trying to explain things. But Chloe enters a fugue state (heavily due to trauma caused by the neglect of her parents) and genuinely thinks she's Zoe, and is even able to recall many of the things Zoe did due to being in Zoe's body. The class thinks “Zoe's” change in behavior is due to the psychological effects of method acting, since “Zoe” is playing Chloe in Astruc's new movie, but they gradually convince “Zoe” to let them help her relearn how to be “herself” again.

Zoe is not able to gain access to Chloe's memories while in Chloe's body, because unlike Chloe, Zoe knows she's in the wrong body. In New York, Zoe is trying to get back to Paris, but when she gets there, “Zoe” thinks she’s there to try to hurt Marinette. Eventually, after listening to “Chloe”, Marinette starts to suspect that “Chloe” might be telling the truth, so she decides that she must test “Chloe” and “Zoe”. She fakes being in danger to see how they react. “Zoe” reacts slightly faster than “Chloe”, so Marinette comes to the conclusion that “Chloe” is lying and that “Chloe” has an evil and manipulative plan. Marinette thinks that “Chloe” must have picked up a few tricks from Lila, because she thinks no version of Chloe could possibly react faster than Zoe when it comes to protecting her. So Audrey takes “Zoe” back to New York again to “correct” her after “Zoe” fails to convince anyone of the truth.

10 years later, “Zoe” gets seriously injured after fighting a villain when Ladybug isn’t around, which causes “Zoe” to not have long to live. Then Ladybug accidentally stumbles upon the truth about “Zoe” while trying to help “Zoe” using magical powers. Ladybug decides that the moral thing to do is to switch Chloe and Zoe back to their original bodies. Once Zoe gets her body back, she blames Chloe for her impending death and for leaving her with 10 years of loneliness, while Chloe got off scot-free. When Lila gets defeated, Zoe steals the Butterfly Miraculous to get her hands on Ladybug and Catnoir’s miraculouses, hoping to “make things right”. Zoe gets defeated by the heroes (including Chloe, who has gotten her memories back) and Ladybug manages to cure Zoe’s injuries.

In today's installment of 'Fans coming up with better storylines than the writing team'

It's got the good stuff:

- acknowledgement of how awful Audrey and Andre are as parents, and how that affected Chloe

- some flipping depth for Zoe

- acknowledgement of how Marinette's biases can influence her actions as Ladybug

The only thing I'm not so sure about is having such a long time skip, since a lot can happen in ten years.

This sounds like a really interesting concept (and I'd happily read a fic if you ended up writing one).

[maestro04yayyy]

More stuff for my antivillain au!

So I think everyone will agree with me when I say that marc write fanfinction, so in my au he does and public them in ao3 and chloe actually read them and love them, so she leaves a lot of comments and after a while they bec9mes friends and actually meets(chloe didn't know they were marc but they knew she was chloe because her username is chloebuorgeoisofficial, also chloe love their ff a lot also because in one of them they gives chloe a redemption arc!)[they friendship may or may not lead to chloe adopting marc like almost every single one of her friends, like i think only rose,juleka and luka haven't called chloe mom] *insert here a mommy joke between juleka and chloe*

Also today I was thinking about how chloe would come out to her parents and I thoughy she would do it during family dinner at the restaurant of the hotel.

Oh for clarification, usually chloe skip family dinners because: 1)she hates audrey and andre 2)since andre started actually doing them only after zoe arrived, chloe just assumed they are for andre and zoe to bond togheter

So yeah during dinner chloe would just say "I am gay" and then go back to eat while her parents panic, yell and all the stuff terrible and possibly omophobic parents do. Meanwhile zoe is just in awe(she is still in the closet) and stare at chloe(she wants to say something support to chloe but she is kinda shocked and she is scared of andre and audrey's reaction).

After coming out chloe would stay at the liberty for like 2 or 3 weeks to avoid her parents.

I am not sure if chloe would end up akumatized but if she does it happens in civilian form and since in this au the akuma works that they have a limit capacity of emotion that they then use to gives power(also the stronger the emotion the stronger the powers) and mega akuma simply have a higher capacity, hawkmoth yo akumatize chloe have to bevome scarlet noth and send a lot of mega akuma since everytime he tried with only one the butterfly just ended up burning because of chloe's anger.

So her akuma name is Wrath and basically she is a tall knight in full black armor anf with a huge black sword(similar to the one she has in hero form), also instead of eyes she has two flames.

To defeat Free might want to get help from juleka.

Oh also wrath doesn't listen to hawkmoth, she either just destroy everything or foes absolutely nothing besides walking around paris and fighting only those who attack her(I haven't decided yet) and hawkmoth doesn't deakumatize her because it was fucling difficult to akumatize her and it would be a waste if he did.

Also I was thinking about adding more otiginal miraculous, I was thinking about compleating the emotion set so they would be l: fear, sadness, disgust.

Since the main emotions are them plus happines(the pig) and anger(the hen)

So fear might be either the bat or spider

Disgust is the platypus, yes you read that, mostly because it is funny and because platypus love to clran themself and die very easely form pollution.

While for sadnes i am not sure, maybe the deer? For Bambi mostly or maybe a donkey? For Eeyore fron winnir-the-pooh?

[celestiall0tus]

Miraculous AU - Chapter 29 - Poltics

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            Chloe stepped into Andre’s office. “You wanted to see me, Daddy?”

            Andre nodded and motioned to a chair in front of his desk. “Yes. How was your day? I heard there was a dragon attacking the city.”

            Chloe took a seat. Pollen flew down and rested on Chloe’s shoulder. “If you call it that. From what Alix said, it only destroyed the top of a building.”

            “Alix… Kubdel? One of your classmates, right?”

            “That’s the one. She was also the one that kept the boy from turning Paris into his own kingdom, whatever that would have been. Sparta kicked him from the top of Notre Dame Cathedral, twice.”

            Andre grimaced. “Truly a… firebrand, that one. However, I’m glad you and the other heroes are keeping our city safe. Actually, I had an idea. One I’m rather proud of.”

            “Let’s hear it, Daddy!”

            “With the mayoral elections this year, I’ve been thinking of my campaign to secure the votes. With the recent attacks, I’ve been thinking about the benefits of being publicly aligned with the defenders of Paris. So, with the little gala we were planning, what if we used that opportunity to show our support of the heroes? I know we are already working alongside you guys, but something more of a public display.”

            “I like it. We could have all the heroes attend and be the guests of honor. Wait. What if we turned it into a fundraising event? Not for your campaign, but for the city should the worse happen. Like, emergency funds to ensure the people’s security.”

            “We could do that. What do we think about moving the gala to mid-November? It’s a little earlier than we initially planned, but the sooner the better, no?”

            “Did something happen?”

            Andre scratched the back of his hand. “Yes. One of my rivals, Veronique Sancoeur, is gaining traction faster than anticipated. According to my sources, she’s gained funding from a mysterious benefactor that is the backbone of her new campaign. The only thing that really keeps her from getting too far ahead is her reluctance to speak on the attacks and her own plans on the matter.”

            “I see. Does her benefactor concern you?”

            Andre nodded. “Something doesn’t feel right. So much is happening all at once.”

            “What else happened?”

            Andre sighed. “I’ll need to tell you anyway. Chloe, my dear, I apologize for this, but Audrey will be arriving in Paris in a few weeks.”

            “What?” Chloe yelled.

            “Yes. I had received word from Gabriel that he’s invited her and wants her staying in the hotel.”

            “But why?”

            “From what little he told me, he has an exclusive fashion line he plans to debut in January that he intends to have Audrey cover for her magazine.”

            “I don’t understand. I thought his newest one was supposed to release in a few days?”

            “A different one. I don’t know what he’s planning, but we need to proceed with caution. I fear that Gabriel may be linked to this someway, somehow.”

            “What makes you think that?”

            “Gabriel is a mysterious man, and a dangerous one. His pockets run deep as does his influence. He’s been quiet on the matter of the monsters and heroes, same as Veronique. I fear there is a connection.”

            “I see. Is there anything else?”

            “Yes. When Audrey comes, if you wish for different accommodations, or staying with a friend, I will arrange it. Especially with… Zoe.”

            “Who’s Zoe?”

            “Audrey’s second daughter.”

            “What? Second daughter?” Chloe shrieked.

            Andre nodded. “Gabriel made it clear that the young girl would be accompanying Audrey. I’m not sure why, but that’s where it stands.”

            “What about you? Where will you be staying?”

            “I’ll be at the house. It’s a ways away from everything, but I don’t trust staying at the hotel while Audrey and her child are staying. Especially with the everything going on. If you wish to stay out there with me, you’re more than welcome. I wasn’t sure if you wanted to stay closer to the city in case you’re needed to be Queen Bee.”

            “I probably would stay in the city. I will see if I can stay with Sabrina during that time. I’ll actually be hanging out with her after this.”

            Andre held out his hand. “Chloe, come here.”

            Chloe stood and took his hand. “I’m sorry you have to endure this. It’s not fair to you, but I ask that if you need anything, please come to me. I know you’re not alone and that you’re becoming an adult, but I want to be there for you. Ok?”

            Chloe nodded.

            Andre turned to Pollen. “Continue to watch over her when I can’t. I’m counting on you to keep my little girl safe.”

            Pollen placed a hand on Andre’s. “Don’t worry. I won’t let anything happen to our little girl.”

            Chloe smiled. “Thank you. Both of you.”

            “We are family. Family should always be there for each other,” Pollen said.

            “Agreed.”

            “Is there anything else you need, Daddy?”

            Andre shook his head. “Go have fun, Chloe. I’ll handle the boring stuff. We can work on the new arrangements later.”

            Chloe smiled. She moved around Andre’s desk and hugged him. “Be careful.”

            Andre hugged Chloe back. “You too.”

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            Veronique sat at her desk. She worked on her campaign when an email came through. She pulled up her tablet and looked. She smiled when she saw it was from her benefactor. She frowned when she read that Andre had changed the date to mid-November and the event into a charity event. In the bottom of the email was an attachment. She opened it and saw the official invitation that detailed that the heroes of Paris would be guests of honor.

            Veronique smirked and got up. She left her office and went to an adjacent office. She knocked and entered. Her mother, Manette, looked up from her documents as she entered.

            “What is it, Veronique?”

            “Have you gotten the news, Mother?”

            “Which news?”

            “The current mayor is throwing a fundraising gala in about two months. He’s even going to have the little heroes attend it.”

            Manette put her documents down. “The animal ones?”

            “Oh yes. Would you like to see, Mother?”

            “You have pictures?”

            “Of course. My benefactor sent them to me.”

            “If you must.”

            “Come now, Mother. Surely you should see them. You’ll be going, won’t you?”

            “Just show me the damn pictures.”

            Veronique rolled her eyes. “Here. I’m going to check on dinner.”

            Manette took the tablet. She watched as Veronique left, then looked at the tablet. She adjusted her glasses and examined the heroes.

            The first was a girl with black hair that shone blue dressed in a ladybug patterned, Chinese inspired dress with a split up the middle. The girl was always smiling in every image. She carried a certain bubbly, kind demeanor with a certain light to her. Most of the images were of the girl were with a cat boy.

            Manette moved to the second, the cat boy. A young man with messy blonde hair in a black and green catsuit. Each photo of the boy on his own, he struck a pose. Each one practiced and perfect, almost as if he was a model. None of them felt genuine, like it was an act. A perfect image to sell something. She reconsidered if he was a model, to he was a model. At least an aspiring one if anything.

            Next was a dark-skinned girl in wolf-themed spandex with wild, white curly hair with black tips. This one included images of her civilian form, with the only different being the hair. Manette noted the scars on this girl’s face. There were a few small ones, but the most notable was a long one across her face. It would have slashed her eyes if not for the mask. This one seemed dangerous, ready to jump into any situation. Manette admired that.

            Manette opened the images of the one she knew: Queen Bee. The Mayor’s daughter had made no secret of who she was. She skipped over that to a ballerina bunny girl with a mouse-themed punk girl. There were no images of them alone, always together. A knife cut through Manette’s heart as she looked through the images of the young ladies. The joy they clearly displayed in each other’s company cut deep. They didn’t care who saw. All that mattered was their love.

            Manette exited out of that collection and onto the next. The images were few and most blurred. The few that weren’t blurry were of the girl’s civilian form. Manette curled her lip at the ghastly, unkempt manor of the girl. The massive holes in her jeans, the exposed belly, and offensive language across her shirt. The very picture of trouble.

            Manette shook her head and moved onto the last collection. It had fewer images than the delinquent, but they caught her eye all the more. A woman with blue skin and blue hair dressed in a dress with a long peacock tail. There weren’t any decent images of the woman’s face, except for one. Caught as the woman unfolded a peacock feather fan. Just enough of her face shown. Enough to know.

            Manette covered her mouth and put the tablet down. She fought back tears as she opened her desk drawer. She opened the secret compartment to an old family photo. Her with her husband and two girls, Nathalie and Veronique. Guilt and regret tore her apart as she looked at Nathalie’s face. She gulped and held it up to the peacock woman. A tear fell from her eye when it all clicked.

            “I don’t believe it. Nearly two decades and there you are.”

            A knock at Manette’s door. She put the photo away and shut the drawer. She looked up as Veronique walked in.

            “Dinner is almost ready.”

            “Good. I’ll done down shortly.”

            Veronique approached the desk and took the tablet. “So, what’d you think?”

            “An interesting group, but that peacock one is a compelling one.”

            Veronique rolled her eyes. “She looks like a little harlot.”

            “Don’t be daft, girl. The kids are loose and free with their appearances, but not that one. She knows she’s being watched at all times and is keeping herself hidden. You can see it. If your benefactor is so interested in those people, he needs to be careful of the peacock woman.”

            Veronique smiled. “I’ll make sure to let him know that. Thank you, Mother. I’ll see you downstairs.”

            Manette watched Veronique leave. She hummed and took out a blank paper. She knew where Nathalie was. She could finally reach out after all these years. She just needed to find Nathalie personally. If not Nathalie, then one of the kids. She had waited two decades for this opportunity, and she wasn’t going to let it slip by.

[arlakos]

On a more neutral note: even if you are one of those people that thought if was fine that Chloe was removed due to her own poor choices, creating an entire character be created to replace her as a bee hero, rather than just having an already existing character take over, just felt wrong on so many levels. In fact, I would argue that Zoe's entire existence makes Chloe's story even more tragic.

Like, season 4 comes and we get introduced to Zoe, a bastard child of Audrey that once again proves that she isn't fit to be a mother much less have children. The fact that Audrey can't remember Chloe's name yet goes to NY to have another kid would not only be shocking, it would also be such a slap in the face to her life.

Then this random girl comes in an gets everything you used to have. Andre, who never bothered to raise Chloe properly, practically adopts Zoe to replace the former with the latter as his own kid. Fucking Ladybug makes that same girl the Bee Miraculous holder. Like, I get that some people felt like what happened to her at the end of season 5 was deserved (and yeah sure, Chloe became worse so she got her just deserts), but yeah nah I would probably crash out as well if some half-sister that my bitch of a mother had made came into my life and took everything that i had.

Chloe's story is that of negligence and lack of parental guidance leading to predictably shitty behavior, but Miraculous Ladybug is the first to actually blame its victim, simply because said victim became mean rather than than become scared and cowardly. It's justifies her descent into villainy with a mix of both protagonist-centred morality and the invalidation of both Andre and Audrey's involvment (or lack of) in making Chloe into what she became. As far as both Miraculous and Astruc is concerned, Chloe is Satan incarnate and thus deserves any form of suffering that happens to her, especially because of her "poor actions" towards our angel of a protagonist. Said angel who is currently acting tyrant and controlling on her boyfriends entire life.

Call it sympathy for the devil, but I genuinely hope Chloe comes back and gets the slap-back on Marinette. Screw season 6 and screw Astruc's victim blame.

You know another thing I hate about Chloe's wasted potential? She had more connections to the Bee Miraculous than fucking Zoe ever did!

You guys know how the Bee Miraculous is meant to represent growth and hardwork, right? Well, that's exactly what Chloe was going through during Season 2! Yes, she fucked up a couple of times, but that was the point! Her arc in Season 2 was supposed to show that she can change, but with baby steps . Hell, it's not her fault no one told her that change takes time and it's hard to break old habits. Even Marinette said that it was gonna take baby steps to help her change.

But what change or growth does Zoe go through?

Zoe gets no development whatsoever! Her only "growth or change" is her saying "Hey family, fuck you! I ain't gonna bow down and kiss your asses no more! I'm a proud Pick Me girl, bitches!" UwU Okay, admittedly Zoe is far from a pick me. But still.

Basically, that's another main problem I had with her. Chloe actually shows that she is worthy of it despite her entitlement. She does want to change. She just doesn't know how. Zoe is just given the Miraculous because... nice girl.

[just-a-little-unionoid]

What would you think if an evilized villain (maybe a wishmaker-like villain or maybe even a villain that's unrelated to the butterfly miraculous) caused Chloe and Zoe to switch bodies somehow, and nobody fully understands what's going on, so Zoe (in Chloe's body) is taken by Audrey back to New York, despite Zoe desperately trying to explain things. But Chloe enters a fugue state (heavily due to trauma caused by the neglect of her parents) and genuinely thinks she's Zoe, and is even able to recall many of the things Zoe did due to being in Zoe's body. The class thinks “Zoe's” change in behavior is due to the psychological effects of method acting, since “Zoe” is playing Chloe in Astruc's new movie, but they gradually convince “Zoe” to let them help her relearn how to be “herself” again. Meanwhile, in New York, Zoe is trying to get back to Paris, but when she gets there, “Zoe” thinks she’s there to try to hurt Marinette.

Eventually, after listening to “Chloe”, Marinette starts to suspect that “Chloe” might be telling the truth, so she decides that she must test “Chloe” and “Zoe”. She fakes being in danger to see how they react. “Zoe” reacts slightly faster than “Chloe”, so Marinette comes to the conclusion that “Chloe” is lying and that “Chloe” has an evil and manipulative plan. Marinette thinks that “Chloe” must have picked up a few tricks from Lila, because she thinks no version of Chloe could possibly react faster than Zoe when it comes to protecting her. So Audrey takes “Zoe” back to New York again to “correct” her after “Zoe” fails to convince anyone of the truth.

10 years later, “Zoe” gets seriously injured after fighting a villain when Ladybug isn’t around, which causes “Zoe” to not have long to live. Then Ladybug accidentally stumbles upon the truth about “Zoe” while trying to help “Zoe” using magical powers. Ladybug decides that the moral thing to do is to switch Chloe and Zoe back to their original bodies. Once Zoe gets her body back, she blames Chloe for her impending death and for leaving her with 10 years of torment, while Chloe got off scot-free. When Lila gets defeated, Zoe steals the Butterfly Miraculous to get her hands on Ladybug and Catnoir’s miraculouses, hoping to “make things right”. Zoe gets defeated by the heroes (including Chloe) and Ladybug manages to cure Zoe’s injuries.

You really send this ask to everyone, eh?

The base scenario is interesting, I'm not sure how it would fit in the canon but there could be something like that I guess, as a fanfic scenario that would be very interesting

Where I think things would go differently is that I don't believe Zoé would just accept her fate and stay with Audrey. After she fails to prove herself to Marinette (if she does, bc I think there are things only her and Marinette know and she could use them but let's say she fails for scenario, that kind of thing happen all the time in Miraculous) she would run away either in France or back in New York. And there I think she's either skilled enough to not get caught or Audrey doesn't care enough to try to get her back

I also have a few doubts about Marinette and especially "Zoé" just being okay with "Chloé" being taken back to New York, sure they didn't really think any ill of it the first time (in canon) but they kinda had other things on their mind at the time + Chloé just did something really awful. But with some time and hindsight they would remember (mostly "Zoé" but she could easily convince Marinette) how terrible and neglectful/abusive Audrey is, and "Chloé" could end up "admitting" she's Chloé but did that only to not being with Audrey anymore and that she's once again willing to be a better person and all (remember Zoé can lie and pretend, only she did it mostly to protect herself, but she's good at it) they would probably try to get her to stay, again especially "Zoé" bc she would like to help her sister (I think Zoé said she wanted to at some point? not sure, I should rewatch someday). Also I don't think André would be as suspicious, if his daughter get back to him like "I'm so sorry daddy I understand what I've done was wrong, I'll try to be better" he would trust her, especially if she obviously is better, like I mean from the begining remember people's names and all

But yeah if they don't, Zoé would probably run away, she wouldn't just wait 10 years until she discover her body is dying, et the very last she would only wait 4 years until she's legally adult (she would still be a minor but not "Chloé") and just break ties with Audrey

Also I straight up do not believe the "moral thing to do" that Ladybug would come up with would be to let Zoé die in a body she didn't hurt herself lmao

Anyway, good base scenario tho, I like it, you should write this fanfic!

Also it was fun! Feel free to take or not some of my suggestions into account and, if you want to, send me a new ask with the new version? Or if you prefer your version, to explain me why, it would be interesting either way

[anxresi]

I’m Sorry, But We REALLY Need To Talk About THIS from the leaked scripts.

Out of the MANY downright idiotic and plainly risible events that occur in future episodes of this accursed show, THIS is the Big One which stands out to me as being utterly beneath contempt (and it’s got nothing to do with Audrey being a balloon, funnily enough).

Who the hell does Andre think he is, giving himself a divorce JUST. LIKE. THAT. Pretty sure even mayors don’t have that power.

Also, how can he adopt Zoe out of the blue? (don’t forget: he’s barely even LIVED with her for one season, and not even say her name for THREE) He hasn’t asked her, and as far as I’m aware, they never even discuss it before the end of the season. 

Come to think of it, what does her ACTUAL father Mr Lee back in New York have to say about this bizarre situation? Is he going to fight this sudden whim of Andre’s in court? Is he dead? No-one knows, sorry. Expecting any kind of logic from Miraculous is like waiting for it to rain chocolate milk in the Sahara during the middle of summer, I guess.

Andre has a point with Audrey, of course... but who was it that caved into his daughter’s worst excesses while his wife was regularly away? Who let her have everything she ever wanted, so she became the spoiled brat we know of today? And who’s set to avoid prosecution for YEARS of political corruption, just because he now wants a quiet life as a movie director with his oh-so-perfect adopted daughter? Here’s a clue... he’s wearing a big sash! 

But suddenly ‘redeeming’ Andre and relieving him of all responsibility to his daughter’s conduct (not to mention avoid punishment), it just goes to know how DETERMINED the show is to vilify Chloe and give her the WORST possible outcome (even ahead of ACTUAL TERRORISTS like Gabriel) even at the expense of changing past events, and radically modifying other character’s personalities at the drop of a hat if it suits their painstaking ‘Chloe sux lol’ agenda. 

But seeing as they’re pretending Chloe was ALWAYS a complete monster with no moments of humanity now, at least they have form in this department. They must hope the audience has amnesia at best, or are complete fools at worse. Well, there’s nothing with MY memory Mr Astruc, and I may not be a genius but my IQ is comfortably three figures last time I checked. Better luck with the rest of the fanbase though!

You can just imagine Thomas personally BEGGING to animate that last shot of ‘Chloe Looking Worried’. Probably offered up the life of his firstborn grandchild. That ****ing *****... 

Anyway, please spare a thought for Chloe being forcibly taken away by her lifelong abuser on a plane to further damage her permanently, I guess. “Take Control’... yep, I’ve heard those words before...

All at the behest of ‘Father Of The Year’ Andre, who I suppose is now meant to be some kind of hero for subjecting his now estranged daughter to even more trauma at the hands of his despised ex.

But it’s all okay! He likes Zoe ‘the best’ you see, so he can quite happily turn off his conscience now that the show has seen fit to allow him to escape any kind of karma, and start a new life with no regrets. YAY!

This is Chloe’s last scene in the episode, the season and possibly last in the series as a whole. 

Gabriel gets a statue. Andre gets a fresh start. Chloe...

I’m sorry, I can’t even think about it. Did I mention I now HATE this show with the intensity of a million suns?

Because I do. And now you know why.

[princess-of-the-corner]

Thinking more about Headshot AU with less wish fulfillment:

So Chloe does still go to Lila's extract the money from her and then basically wants to eat, obsess over her circumstances and crash. Lila's trying to figure out the shift in Chloe going from drugged up horse to very driven and slightly rabid wolverine but needs time.

I think Chloe would still have the idea to pursue a Miraculous cos she doesn't know or have any other defenses against Hawk Moth or Ladybug and while it may take a bit for her to get there. The fact neither villain or hero have used Sentimonsters means its likely still in the wind and thus her best source is either Adrien or Felix.

Not ideal given one is in London and the other behind highly advanced security via the worlds most extreme yet neglectful helicopter parent, but she'll work with what she's got.

Note: I imagine she thinks its more likely to be Felix, but given Ladybug just cracked her skull open, among other things, she's not taking anything for granted.

Thus, its still time to go to school the next day, working to avoid reporters and dragging Lila with her like a rather stunned fox that isn't sure where their former chicken-dinner is going with this.

Cue a stilted apologies to Caline, IE, wasn't herself to extreme, let's just get this school year over with, etc, which is awkwardly accepted.

Miracle-Class as discussed are tired and feeling generally uncomfortable, they hate Chloe but that was still fucked up.

Sabrina in this version however would basically be clinging to Chloe again because of the horror of it all. Buoyed by Chloe's stilted "Not myself" apology. This is a threat to Lila's influence so she's pushing in a bit and its like, low key tense between the pair while Chloe's still keeping them both at arms length due to paranoia.

The main stand out interactions would be Marinette and Alya's arrival who look as wrecked as Chloe should. Chloe's at first super tense before noticing the ear rings Alya's wearing and relaxing just a little, but its very much a 3 people with no right words trying to say something and failing moment.

Note: At this point Lila's largely deduced what was wrong with Chloe. IE Magically drugged up for months and now fixed.

Zoe's arrival is also noted but its accompanied with, after seeing if Chloe is all right in a conversation that is a whole other kind of awkward. (Chloe kind of forgot Zoe was even in Paris but its all coming back to her now) its followed with a warning her parents are arriving.

Chloe dips to hide under Bustier's desk just in time for the pair to storm in arguing up a storm with one another. Allegedly they are there to look for their missing daughter. But that doesn't even last two sentences before they are back at each others throat and Zoe's efforts to make them behave like not terrible people fails:

Andre: Be a dear Zoe, we can't have people thinking I'm anything less than an exceptional father, it would make me look bad. Audrey: You are a pathetic excuse for a father, you couldn't even raise my imbecilic clone to dodge properly, I'd do much better. Andre: Oh you're an expert on dodging Audrey, you dodge your duties as a wife, a mother- Audrey: See that's what it always comes back to with you, you and your petty insecurities!

Lila: I got a text from Chloe, she's hiding out at Adrien's! Audrey: Hah, victory is mine! Andre: Like hell it is! (Shoves) Both: (Race off)

Chloe emerges from behind the desk and mechanically marches back to her desk, "Good work" Muttered under her breath as she returns to glaring a hole in the wall and Bustier 'tries' to help them all move on from that.

I think Chloe's conversation with Adrien would be pretty similar to previous submissions, but it'd be pulling double duty. IE, she's talking with him, Lila & Sabrina were set to the task of inspecting his bag to look for the Peacock, though neither know "what" they are looking for.

Zoe catches them but is kind of confused as to what Chloe's even gunning for when after getting the picture of its contents (Plagg's in Adrien's pocket) she tells them to just put it back because Adrien clearly doesn't have "it".

Not sure what follows, could be Chloe bailing for London, or stumbling on Zoe, Lila & Sabrina arguing:

Zoe: She and I can now see how empty Audrey & Andre are, I'm not going to let my sister wind up as your plaything! Sabrina: y- Yeah, you made everything worse for Chloe, for everyone!

Lila: Oh, mwa? That's rich, coming from the sister who betrayed her to get in with the popular kids and the 'friend' who couldn't see her mind was being destroyed in real time.

Lila's mostly just trying to piss them off and make them feel guilty. She could slip here & imply she knows who HK is, or it happens after Chloe gets the Peacock, not sure which, your thoughts?

I'm just imagining that Chloé is talking to Adrien and meanwhile the other three are looking in Adrien's bag and just having a staring contest with Plagg who is mid-cheese swallow and connecting the dots.

Well Sabrina and Zoé are connecting the dots because they know what a Kwami is and Zoé met Plagg back when she got to be Kitty Noire. Lila has no idea what the fuck Plagg is

Also yeah Chloé thinks that Felix is a more likely candidate for Argos. But she's paranoid af right now and doesn't know what's true and what's facade and so maybe Adrien did go apeshit.

Love Andre and Audrey trying to milk the situation by pretending to be good parents but being so awful at it.

Lila being her own brand of manipulative but also kinda right and hitting their buttons is *chef's kiss*

[soundwaveprime]

your rambling is fine don't worry, i would be a major hypocrite saying otherwise lol.

As for the deleted scene, normally I would agree on the notion, however the scene was cut from the final version of the script not a draft, and was removed late enough into production that not even Astruc, who the script credits as one of the people who worked on it, knew of its removal till someone pointed it out to him after the episode was released

Astruc also claim that scene as well as the one other cut from the episode prior were important to the story.

And since we know that they were working on season 6 before both episodes aired as well as how Zoe is still in Paris, living with her now former step-dad, implies that both delete scenes as far as the writers & season six are concerned are still canon, potentially it may even be mentioned or reference in a future episode beyond Zoe's living arrangement depending on how far along in production the crew were when Astruc was informed of its removal by fans.

Moving on from the deleted scene, I have to disagree as Andre dose cite Chloe during his rant by grouping both Audrey and her together.

André: Look at me, Gabe. All my life I've lied, I've cheated and I've abused my power. I used to be a dreamer, an artist, I wanted to make movies! Now I've become a tyrant in servitude to my family and friends

As for the heartless comment I would like to point out, Andre says that while dismissing gabriel's claim that he should be happy with his life... which even if we assume it were to be a crashout from Andre still increases some concerns about how little he cares for chloe, at least from this point in time as well know he did care for her and Audrey once, given Malediktator.

Gabriel: Come on, you have everything to be happy, André. Your wife, your daughter, Paris City Hall…

André: A woman who barely respects me, a selfish, heartless daughter, and a City Hall that I never wanted. I only got into politics like dad to impress Audrey, you know that.

I also have to disagree once more, as even when ignoring both the Collusion deleted scene, as well as Andre's final scene with chloe in revolution being him dragging Chloe away while claiming he's taken care of his "errors" which seems to have just meant throw her at Audrey then actually make up for his wrong actions.

he still didn't have to willingly send Chloé off with her abusive mother for her to be place in a different environment.

even if Chloe had no living adult relatives beside him and Audrey, he could have send her off to live at a behavioral boarding school not in Paris, irl it's not uncommon for a troubled kid to be sent overseas or out of state if you're in the u.s, that way she actually has a chance at becoming a better person instead of being complete isolated in an unfamiliar environment while further being abused by someone who hates her.

Heck, playing with the idea that the Collusion delete scene is uncanon due to being cut from the episode, He could have decided to move out of paris entirely and take chloe with him in order for both of them to have a fresh start, and actually help chloe become a better person by making sure she sees a therapist.

Andre Bourgeois was a poor parent but... abusive?

Dude's the archetypical incompetent person in power who will often bend in the face of intense scrutiny and very much is double faced as a politician gets. France has often had a considerable history with showing authority as full of farces.

Now he wasn't exactly a good father but more in the sense that he spoiled Chloe, especially after Audrey walked out initially, and set a poor example as a role model. Especially as Mayor when he'd often "blame it on your predecessor" as she'd quote.

There's also how much responsibility Chloe has with her more egrigious actions beyond disses and cutting remarks. A result of Andre's poor fathering, yes, but I feel it wouldn't be fair to depreive her of any responsibility.

"She's just a child" can only go sooooooo far, especially when she's often shown to be willful in her akumatization more often than not. I do think there's room for a story where, say, Chloe cools her head off in London and has a legitimate heart to heart with her father.

Andre does hold some responsibility but... I'm sorry but I just don't see him as "abusive" when Audrey is right there. Hell, she's still a piece of work even when Chloe and her come to an understanding.

[imthepunchlord]

Which characters (apart from Marinette, Felix, Gabriel and Adrien) can we consider confirmed for the rewrite?

Pretty much everybody, no one's really planned to get cut, though there will be some changes made to them where I think it'll make more sense.

Audrey and Andre I'll go ahead and have be divorced, and Zoe will be Chloe's stepsister.

Couffaines I'm going to work off my earlier theory/headcanon of Jagged being Anarka's younger brother instead (as he just feels younger than Anarka), and Luka will still be his son, but him and Juleka will be cousins instead, and Luka will appear when Jagged comes to Paris, which can work off Luka set to leave Paris at some point as Jagged technically set up to leave to continue his tour. Atm, no plans for them getting Guardian training.

And for the Agreste-Graham de Vanily/Fathom family, with Adrien and Felix as twin brothers, Amelie is just not going to have kids and just be a doting aunt. I did consider taking canon Felix, renaming him to be Graham, and he's Adrien and Felix's gremlin cousin who drives them up the wall, but I'm not a 100% on that as this show already has a lot of characters.

Probably the only characters that are at risk in getting cut are just the one offs to be the akuma of the day. Especially as I'm not planning on rewatching all 5 seasons of Miraculous, I'll largely stop around s2 though I'll check around and see if there's anything post s2 worth a watch, but any characters post s2, you can consider on the cut list. Zoe for sure is the only safe one.

[rainbow18]

Why Chloe and Zoe aren’t Sentimonsters.

After it was pretty much confirmed that Felix, Kagami and Adrien are all sentis, it’s been theorized/a joke that all the rich teens are sentis. Since Chloe and Zoe come from rich families, people have been guessing they are sentis but they don’t qualify.

1. Audrey and Andre are both Alive and Healthy.

Chloe is the only one here that has both of her parents.

The reason for this is because The Peacock miraculous was broken when they were created so their parent that created them became sick and passed away. Because Chloe’s parents both appear to be alive and healthy, neither of them used the peacock miraculous to have her unless They or one of the other rich parents accidentally broke the miraculous.

2. Chloe, Zoe and Audrey have similar features but they aren’t completely identical.

Adrien physically resembles Felix, Amelie and Emilie far more than he resembles Gabriel. The reason for this is because since he and Felix are Sentis, Their parents likely deliberately made Adrien and Felix identical and/or be based off of their mothers. (I’m not completely sure how designing Human Sentis work but it appears that Senti Humans have to look completely identical to someone else)

Chloe noted that Zoe had the right Hair and eye color to be part of the family. However Zoe isn’t completely identical to Chloe or Audrey. Chloe also isn’t completely identical to either of her parents. Considering Audrey’s personality, She’d likely want her children to look identical to her. Yet they aren’t. Why? Because as Natural Humans, Chloe and Zoe inherited genes from both of their parents.

[gale-gentlepenguin]

Gale Poorly Explains Sole Crusher

Zoe: Hi I am new to Paris. Do you want to be friends?

Marinette: Nice Hot Rich Blonde. I apparently have a type. Want to be friends

Zoe: Sure

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Audrey: Ah yes the other girl I shot from my birth canal. Yea whatever.

Zoe: I have a feeling this is not going to be a very welcoming home.

Chloé: Okay half sister. Just act exactly like me and everything will be cash money. Also Here is Sabrina in a closet.

Sabrina: If you think thats bad its okay I am into it

Zoe: Wtf

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(Getting out of a car)

Chloé: ...And thats every reason why I should never have been redeemed. I am basically hitler as a rich 14 year old.

Zoe: Wow... I sure hope the fans hear all of this and are happy I am replacing you.

Chloé: What?

Zoe: Nothing.

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Alya: Wow... The girl is Chloé's half sister and she is just like her.

Marinette: Hold on a second, we cant just judge her so quickly. I have to see what she is like.

Marinette: Hey Zoe

Zoe: Leave loser (Zoe internally weeping)

Marinette: :c

Chloé: I am proud of you

Sabrina: Step on me

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Marinette: I dont buy that she is a second chloé.

Tikki: Go for it Marinette. Start your harem

Marinette: Zoe, I know you are top tier waifu. What up with you.

Zoe: Its complicated.

Marinette: Come aboard the ship.

Zoe: You mean the Liberty.

Marinette: Yea... that ship.

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Andre: Even though you are canonical proof that my wife f***ed another man, I will share my tragic backstory with you..

Zoe: Wow... thats a mood not Fam.

(also subtle appearance of Adrien's and Kagami's moms)

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Shadowmoth: Lets make a very confusing akuma

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Sole Crusher: I am going to step on everyone!

Sabrina: (In a closet) I feel like something is happening that I would very much enjoy

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Marinette: Zoe, I know you are in there. Snap out of it.

Chat noir: Dont worry Marinette I will

Marinette: Chat noir! CANT YOU SEE I AM IN THE MIDDLE OF A CONVERSATION.

Chat noir:... Well okay then.

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Ladybug: Okay I know where the akuma is

Chat noir: Neat!

(and so they beat Sole Crusher

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(Zoe headed to the liberty)

Zoe: Emotional explanation of everything that totally justifies my actions.

Everyone: We instantly believe you and you are now part of our group.

Zoe: Wait, shouldnt this happen over the course of several episodes until I full prove myself in your eyes.

Marinette: Our standards for friendship are very low here.

(Montage of Zoe becoming a life long friend because development over the course of episodes is boring)

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