#zoe and andre are sure to come but will audrey?

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OH!

I thought this was post S3 for some reason hahaha, that explains a lot, low key super curious how Chloe got brought into/back into the fold. But yeah the rest makes sense. Admittedly surprised Zoe isn't on Marinette's side, but I guess that depends on how awful Andre turns out to be perhaps?

Oh yeah it's post-Season 5! The main catalyst of this being Ladybug's decision to lie to Adrien, but a lot of her other bad decisions come out too.

The Bee Sisters thing I'm imagining is like.

Zoé hasn't yet given up on Chloé because she Knows what's going on in her head re: Audrey's abuse and is seeing that Andre is useless at helping too, but surely if someone just reached out like the class did for her.....

So while Chloé is still in the city, she's trying to reach out. And also Pollen is concerned for her too.

And everything just kinda spills out. From what /really/ happened during Miracle Queen re: feeling betrayed and abandoned while Hawkmoth was threatening her and her parents, to Marinette's advice on Audrey of 'just be the person she wants so she'll love you!!'.

This is another reason that's exacerbating the whole 'making up' thing. Mari's black/white mentality makes it hard for her to admit she made a mistake with Chloé. But also any time she tryes to say 'but Chloé was mean' it's met with 'oh? But /Gabriel/ deserved to be remembered as a Hero? Pretty sure Queen Bee did more Heroic things than FUCKING MONARCH!!'

And to clarify: this isn't a 'Mari is just an asshole who sucks' she's a kid with skewed ideas and not always understanding the Bigger Picture and the black/white morality.

Chloé is a character who was mean to her specifically for reasons Marinette doesn't understand because her reasonings are so out of the scope of something Marinette has had to deal with.

Gabriel wasn't a direct issue for Marinette, and his motivations were simple and noble 'I want to save someone'.

Also both of these things hinge on Mari's black/white mentality of 'ofc a parent loves their child no matter what and always wants the best for them, even if it's a touch misguided!'.

[anxresi]

I’m Sorry, But We REALLY Need To Talk About THIS from the leaked scripts.

Out of the MANY downright idiotic and plainly risible events that occur in future episodes of this accursed show, THIS is the Big One which stands out to me as being utterly beneath contempt (and it’s got nothing to do with Audrey being a balloon, funnily enough).

Who the hell does Andre think he is, giving himself a divorce JUST. LIKE. THAT. Pretty sure even mayors don’t have that power.

Also, how can he adopt Zoe out of the blue? (don’t forget: he’s barely even LIVED with her for one season, and not even say her name for THREE) He hasn’t asked her, and as far as I’m aware, they never even discuss it before the end of the season. 

Come to think of it, what does her ACTUAL father Mr Lee back in New York have to say about this bizarre situation? Is he going to fight this sudden whim of Andre’s in court? Is he dead? No-one knows, sorry. Expecting any kind of logic from Miraculous is like waiting for it to rain chocolate milk in the Sahara during the middle of summer, I guess.

Andre has a point with Audrey, of course... but who was it that caved into his daughter’s worst excesses while his wife was regularly away? Who let her have everything she ever wanted, so she became the spoiled brat we know of today? And who’s set to avoid prosecution for YEARS of political corruption, just because he now wants a quiet life as a movie director with his oh-so-perfect adopted daughter? Here’s a clue... he’s wearing a big sash! 

But suddenly ‘redeeming’ Andre and relieving him of all responsibility to his daughter’s conduct (not to mention avoid punishment), it just goes to know how DETERMINED the show is to vilify Chloe and give her the WORST possible outcome (even ahead of ACTUAL TERRORISTS like Gabriel) even at the expense of changing past events, and radically modifying other character’s personalities at the drop of a hat if it suits their painstaking ‘Chloe sux lol’ agenda. 

But seeing as they’re pretending Chloe was ALWAYS a complete monster with no moments of humanity now, at least they have form in this department. They must hope the audience has amnesia at best, or are complete fools at worse. Well, there’s nothing with MY memory Mr Astruc, and I may not be a genius but my IQ is comfortably three figures last time I checked. Better luck with the rest of the fanbase though!

You can just imagine Thomas personally BEGGING to animate that last shot of ‘Chloe Looking Worried’. Probably offered up the life of his firstborn grandchild. That ****ing *****... 

Anyway, please spare a thought for Chloe being forcibly taken away by her lifelong abuser on a plane to further damage her permanently, I guess. “Take Control’... yep, I’ve heard those words before...

All at the behest of ‘Father Of The Year’ Andre, who I suppose is now meant to be some kind of hero for subjecting his now estranged daughter to even more trauma at the hands of his despised ex.

But it’s all okay! He likes Zoe ‘the best’ you see, so he can quite happily turn off his conscience now that the show has seen fit to allow him to escape any kind of karma, and start a new life with no regrets. YAY!

This is Chloe’s last scene in the episode, the season and possibly last in the series as a whole. 

Gabriel gets a statue. Andre gets a fresh start. Chloe...

I’m sorry, I can’t even think about it. Did I mention I now HATE this show with the intensity of a million suns?

Because I do. And now you know why.

[imthepunchlord]

Which characters (apart from Marinette, Felix, Gabriel and Adrien) can we consider confirmed for the rewrite?

Pretty much everybody, no one's really planned to get cut, though there will be some changes made to them where I think it'll make more sense.

Audrey and Andre I'll go ahead and have be divorced, and Zoe will be Chloe's stepsister.

Couffaines I'm going to work off my earlier theory/headcanon of Jagged being Anarka's younger brother instead (as he just feels younger than Anarka), and Luka will still be his son, but him and Juleka will be cousins instead, and Luka will appear when Jagged comes to Paris, which can work off Luka set to leave Paris at some point as Jagged technically set up to leave to continue his tour. Atm, no plans for them getting Guardian training.

And for the Agreste-Graham de Vanily/Fathom family, with Adrien and Felix as twin brothers, Amelie is just not going to have kids and just be a doting aunt. I did consider taking canon Felix, renaming him to be Graham, and he's Adrien and Felix's gremlin cousin who drives them up the wall, but I'm not a 100% on that as this show already has a lot of characters.

Probably the only characters that are at risk in getting cut are just the one offs to be the akuma of the day. Especially as I'm not planning on rewatching all 5 seasons of Miraculous, I'll largely stop around s2 though I'll check around and see if there's anything post s2 worth a watch, but any characters post s2, you can consider on the cut list. Zoe for sure is the only safe one.

[nerd-chocolate]

I really like your ideas for Zoe's backstory, thanks for sharing!🥰

I agree that Zoe's father seems like he would stand up to Audrey a bit more. Maybe the "always too busy" comment was her complaining that he didn't always leave everything to satisfy her every whim like Andre does...

I kinda see Audrey doing to Zoe the same she did to Chloe: Being there sometimes, then leave for a long time, and when she's back her daughters do everything they can to impress her, to show that they are worthy of her love, which in the end just caused the girls to have problems in school and their social lives. Chloe because she became a bully, and Zoe because she was in a way two-faced around everyone and finally became a target for bullying.

I know in canon Zoe was created to replace Chloe so she wouldn't have to complete her redemtion arc, but I would've loved it if we could have both Zoe and Chloe's redemption. And let Zoe be a big part of that arc, since they both have similar experiences with their mother (I know there are already other characters like that could do that like Adrien, Sabrina or Marinette... But WHAT IF Zoe had to fill that role?). They can bond and resent her together, let them realize how toxic she is.

And then, instead of Chloe being akumatized yet again into the mayor, it's Audrey the one getting akumatized out of frustration because her daughters don't respect her anymore (I saw some art of Chloe and Zoe stealling Audrey's credit card and going on shopping sprees with it, it so funny and cute! So maybe they did something like that to her, which would be Audrey's last straw). Then, when the akuma is defeated, Audrey divorces Andre and leaves Paris, maybe she threatens to take Chloe with her, because "Zoe is a bad influence", but that's when Andre steps up and finally stands up to Audrey, to defend BOTH daughters (that would make him a tiny bit more redeemable for me). So Audrey leaves, and without her influence, Chloe and Zoe can finally be themselves without worrying about meeting her expectations.

I liked Chloe a lot before season 4, so I kinda rewrote the whole story so I can have her redemption arc and Zoe not being a nice replacement for her. I wanted them to bond as sisters with mommy issues🥺

What do you think? I kinda talked more about Chloe than Zoe here, sorry😅. It's just that I hate when shows put siblings against each other. Sure, they can fight and argue, that's normal, but at the end, they're still family.

And since I headcanon Zoe having a very lonely childhood, it's fair to assume she would have loved to have a sibling to play with.

Thanks, I love coming up ideas for Zoé as much as I can. I think Audrey would think that Zoé can be exceptionally as she is because in one frame of Sole Crusher, you catch that she actually smiles at her daughter, which can be animation error but I took it as she actually a bit happy to see her because she knows Zoé wouldn’t be herself around her.

Also I agree, Audrey should been akumatized mayor in season, working with Gabriel and Tomoe since it kinda seems it would work better than having Chloé being Lila’s lackey and Monarch’s pawn as well. And I think Audrey leaving Paris for good and reputation ruin would be a satisfy way to end her character. Also I would have Zoé’s dad move to Paris for his daughter and to mend their relationship since he regrets it.

As for Chloé, I like your idea for her and I agree with that her getting redemption arc and Zoé can coexist together peacefully. And I would get Lila involved with this, since she needs Chloé for her plans. Which would have Zoé trying to get her sister to believe her and use acting skills on Lila and Lila trying to manipulate Chloé and worsen their relationship. Which ends with Chloé deciding not to let Lila control her and bond with her sister because of it. Which she could stay in Paris or leave with André somewhere, so André started being a good dad and Chloé still having contact with Zoé and start to improve as a person. But that’s how I would do it.

Let me know what you think!

[marble-running]

What would you think if Chloe and Audrey heard rumours about the way they were going to be portrayed in Astruc’s new movie, so they went back to Paris in an unsuccessful attempt to stop the movie from being completed? Then an evilized villain (maybe a wishmaker-like villain or maybe even a villain that's unrelated to the butterfly miraculous) caused Chloe and Zoe to switch bodies somehow, and nobody fully understands what's going on, so Zoe (in Chloe's body) is taken by Audrey back to New York, despite Zoe desperately trying to explain things. But Chloe enters a fugue state (heavily due to trauma caused by the neglect of her parents) and genuinely thinks she's Zoe, and is even able to recall many of the things Zoe did due to being in Zoe's body. The class thinks “Zoe's” change in behavior is due to the psychological effects of method acting, since “Zoe” is playing Chloe in Astruc's new movie, but they gradually convince “Zoe” to let them help her relearn how to be “herself” again.

Zoe is not able to gain access to Chloe's memories while in Chloe's body, because unlike Chloe, Zoe knows she's in the wrong body. In New York, Zoe is trying to get back to Paris, but when she gets there, “Zoe” thinks she’s there to try to hurt Marinette. Eventually, after listening to “Chloe”, Marinette starts to suspect that “Chloe” might be telling the truth, so she decides that she must test “Chloe” and “Zoe”. She fakes being in danger to see how they react. “Zoe” reacts slightly faster than “Chloe”, so Marinette comes to the conclusion that “Chloe” is lying and that “Chloe” has an evil and manipulative plan. Marinette thinks that “Chloe” must have picked up a few tricks from Lila, because she thinks no version of Chloe could possibly react faster than Zoe when it comes to protecting her. So Audrey takes “Zoe” back to New York again to “correct” her after “Zoe” fails to convince anyone of the truth.

10 years later, “Zoe” gets seriously injured after fighting a villain when Ladybug isn’t around, which causes “Zoe” to not have long to live. Then Ladybug accidentally stumbles upon the truth about “Zoe” while trying to help “Zoe” using magical powers. Ladybug decides that the moral thing to do is to switch Chloe and Zoe back to their original bodies. Once Zoe gets her body back, she blames Chloe for her impending death and for leaving her with 10 years of loneliness, while Chloe got off scot-free. When Lila gets defeated, Zoe steals the Butterfly Miraculous to get her hands on Ladybug and Catnoir’s miraculouses, hoping to “make things right”. Zoe gets defeated by the heroes (including Chloe, who has gotten her memories back) and Ladybug manages to cure Zoe’s injuries.

In today's installment of 'Fans coming up with better storylines than the writing team'

It's got the good stuff:

- acknowledgement of how awful Audrey and Andre are as parents, and how that affected Chloe

- some flipping depth for Zoe

- acknowledgement of how Marinette's biases can influence her actions as Ladybug

The only thing I'm not so sure about is having such a long time skip, since a lot can happen in ten years.

This sounds like a really interesting concept (and I'd happily read a fic if you ended up writing one).

[rainbow18]

Why Chloe and Zoe aren’t Sentimonsters.

After it was pretty much confirmed that Felix, Kagami and Adrien are all sentis, it’s been theorized/a joke that all the rich teens are sentis. Since Chloe and Zoe come from rich families, people have been guessing they are sentis but they don’t qualify.

1. Audrey and Andre are both Alive and Healthy.

Chloe is the only one here that has both of her parents.

The reason for this is because The Peacock miraculous was broken when they were created so their parent that created them became sick and passed away. Because Chloe’s parents both appear to be alive and healthy, neither of them used the peacock miraculous to have her unless They or one of the other rich parents accidentally broke the miraculous.

2. Chloe, Zoe and Audrey have similar features but they aren’t completely identical.

Adrien physically resembles Felix, Amelie and Emilie far more than he resembles Gabriel. The reason for this is because since he and Felix are Sentis, Their parents likely deliberately made Adrien and Felix identical and/or be based off of their mothers. (I’m not completely sure how designing Human Sentis work but it appears that Senti Humans have to look completely identical to someone else)

Chloe noted that Zoe had the right Hair and eye color to be part of the family. However Zoe isn’t completely identical to Chloe or Audrey. Chloe also isn’t completely identical to either of her parents. Considering Audrey’s personality, She’d likely want her children to look identical to her. Yet they aren’t. Why? Because as Natural Humans, Chloe and Zoe inherited genes from both of their parents.

[maestro04yayyy]

More stuff for my antivillain au!

So I think everyone will agree with me when I say that marc write fanfinction, so in my au he does and public them in ao3 and chloe actually read them and love them, so she leaves a lot of comments and after a while they bec9mes friends and actually meets(chloe didn't know they were marc but they knew she was chloe because her username is chloebuorgeoisofficial, also chloe love their ff a lot also because in one of them they gives chloe a redemption arc!)[they friendship may or may not lead to chloe adopting marc like almost every single one of her friends, like i think only rose,juleka and luka haven't called chloe mom] *insert here a mommy joke between juleka and chloe*

Also today I was thinking about how chloe would come out to her parents and I thoughy she would do it during family dinner at the restaurant of the hotel.

Oh for clarification, usually chloe skip family dinners because: 1)she hates audrey and andre 2)since andre started actually doing them only after zoe arrived, chloe just assumed they are for andre and zoe to bond togheter

So yeah during dinner chloe would just say "I am gay" and then go back to eat while her parents panic, yell and all the stuff terrible and possibly omophobic parents do. Meanwhile zoe is just in awe(she is still in the closet) and stare at chloe(she wants to say something support to chloe but she is kinda shocked and she is scared of andre and audrey's reaction).

After coming out chloe would stay at the liberty for like 2 or 3 weeks to avoid her parents.

I am not sure if chloe would end up akumatized but if she does it happens in civilian form and since in this au the akuma works that they have a limit capacity of emotion that they then use to gives power(also the stronger the emotion the stronger the powers) and mega akuma simply have a higher capacity, hawkmoth yo akumatize chloe have to bevome scarlet noth and send a lot of mega akuma since everytime he tried with only one the butterfly just ended up burning because of chloe's anger.

So her akuma name is Wrath and basically she is a tall knight in full black armor anf with a huge black sword(similar to the one she has in hero form), also instead of eyes she has two flames.

To defeat Free might want to get help from juleka.

Oh also wrath doesn't listen to hawkmoth, she either just destroy everything or foes absolutely nothing besides walking around paris and fighting only those who attack her(I haven't decided yet) and hawkmoth doesn't deakumatize her because it was fucling difficult to akumatize her and it would be a waste if he did.

Also I was thinking about adding more otiginal miraculous, I was thinking about compleating the emotion set so they would be l: fear, sadness, disgust.

Since the main emotions are them plus happines(the pig) and anger(the hen)

So fear might be either the bat or spider

Disgust is the platypus, yes you read that, mostly because it is funny and because platypus love to clran themself and die very easely form pollution.

While for sadnes i am not sure, maybe the deer? For Bambi mostly or maybe a donkey? For Eeyore fron winnir-the-pooh?

[celestiall0tus]

Miraculous AU - Chapter 29 - Poltics

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            Chloe stepped into Andre’s office. “You wanted to see me, Daddy?”

            Andre nodded and motioned to a chair in front of his desk. “Yes. How was your day? I heard there was a dragon attacking the city.”

            Chloe took a seat. Pollen flew down and rested on Chloe’s shoulder. “If you call it that. From what Alix said, it only destroyed the top of a building.”

            “Alix… Kubdel? One of your classmates, right?”

            “That’s the one. She was also the one that kept the boy from turning Paris into his own kingdom, whatever that would have been. Sparta kicked him from the top of Notre Dame Cathedral, twice.”

            Andre grimaced. “Truly a… firebrand, that one. However, I’m glad you and the other heroes are keeping our city safe. Actually, I had an idea. One I’m rather proud of.”

            “Let’s hear it, Daddy!”

            “With the mayoral elections this year, I’ve been thinking of my campaign to secure the votes. With the recent attacks, I’ve been thinking about the benefits of being publicly aligned with the defenders of Paris. So, with the little gala we were planning, what if we used that opportunity to show our support of the heroes? I know we are already working alongside you guys, but something more of a public display.”

            “I like it. We could have all the heroes attend and be the guests of honor. Wait. What if we turned it into a fundraising event? Not for your campaign, but for the city should the worse happen. Like, emergency funds to ensure the people’s security.”

            “We could do that. What do we think about moving the gala to mid-November? It’s a little earlier than we initially planned, but the sooner the better, no?”

            “Did something happen?”

            Andre scratched the back of his hand. “Yes. One of my rivals, Veronique Sancoeur, is gaining traction faster than anticipated. According to my sources, she’s gained funding from a mysterious benefactor that is the backbone of her new campaign. The only thing that really keeps her from getting too far ahead is her reluctance to speak on the attacks and her own plans on the matter.”

            “I see. Does her benefactor concern you?”

            Andre nodded. “Something doesn’t feel right. So much is happening all at once.”

            “What else happened?”

            Andre sighed. “I’ll need to tell you anyway. Chloe, my dear, I apologize for this, but Audrey will be arriving in Paris in a few weeks.”

            “What?” Chloe yelled.

            “Yes. I had received word from Gabriel that he’s invited her and wants her staying in the hotel.”

            “But why?”

            “From what little he told me, he has an exclusive fashion line he plans to debut in January that he intends to have Audrey cover for her magazine.”

            “I don’t understand. I thought his newest one was supposed to release in a few days?”

            “A different one. I don’t know what he’s planning, but we need to proceed with caution. I fear that Gabriel may be linked to this someway, somehow.”

            “What makes you think that?”

            “Gabriel is a mysterious man, and a dangerous one. His pockets run deep as does his influence. He’s been quiet on the matter of the monsters and heroes, same as Veronique. I fear there is a connection.”

            “I see. Is there anything else?”

            “Yes. When Audrey comes, if you wish for different accommodations, or staying with a friend, I will arrange it. Especially with… Zoe.”

            “Who’s Zoe?”

            “Audrey’s second daughter.”

            “What? Second daughter?” Chloe shrieked.

            Andre nodded. “Gabriel made it clear that the young girl would be accompanying Audrey. I’m not sure why, but that’s where it stands.”

            “What about you? Where will you be staying?”

            “I’ll be at the house. It’s a ways away from everything, but I don’t trust staying at the hotel while Audrey and her child are staying. Especially with the everything going on. If you wish to stay out there with me, you’re more than welcome. I wasn’t sure if you wanted to stay closer to the city in case you’re needed to be Queen Bee.”

            “I probably would stay in the city. I will see if I can stay with Sabrina during that time. I’ll actually be hanging out with her after this.”

            Andre held out his hand. “Chloe, come here.”

            Chloe stood and took his hand. “I’m sorry you have to endure this. It’s not fair to you, but I ask that if you need anything, please come to me. I know you’re not alone and that you’re becoming an adult, but I want to be there for you. Ok?”

            Chloe nodded.

            Andre turned to Pollen. “Continue to watch over her when I can’t. I’m counting on you to keep my little girl safe.”

            Pollen placed a hand on Andre’s. “Don’t worry. I won’t let anything happen to our little girl.”

            Chloe smiled. “Thank you. Both of you.”

            “We are family. Family should always be there for each other,” Pollen said.

            “Agreed.”

            “Is there anything else you need, Daddy?”

            Andre shook his head. “Go have fun, Chloe. I’ll handle the boring stuff. We can work on the new arrangements later.”

            Chloe smiled. She moved around Andre’s desk and hugged him. “Be careful.”

            Andre hugged Chloe back. “You too.”

~~

            Veronique sat at her desk. She worked on her campaign when an email came through. She pulled up her tablet and looked. She smiled when she saw it was from her benefactor. She frowned when she read that Andre had changed the date to mid-November and the event into a charity event. In the bottom of the email was an attachment. She opened it and saw the official invitation that detailed that the heroes of Paris would be guests of honor.

            Veronique smirked and got up. She left her office and went to an adjacent office. She knocked and entered. Her mother, Manette, looked up from her documents as she entered.

            “What is it, Veronique?”

            “Have you gotten the news, Mother?”

            “Which news?”

            “The current mayor is throwing a fundraising gala in about two months. He’s even going to have the little heroes attend it.”

            Manette put her documents down. “The animal ones?”

            “Oh yes. Would you like to see, Mother?”

            “You have pictures?”

            “Of course. My benefactor sent them to me.”

            “If you must.”

            “Come now, Mother. Surely you should see them. You’ll be going, won’t you?”

            “Just show me the damn pictures.”

            Veronique rolled her eyes. “Here. I’m going to check on dinner.”

            Manette took the tablet. She watched as Veronique left, then looked at the tablet. She adjusted her glasses and examined the heroes.

            The first was a girl with black hair that shone blue dressed in a ladybug patterned, Chinese inspired dress with a split up the middle. The girl was always smiling in every image. She carried a certain bubbly, kind demeanor with a certain light to her. Most of the images were of the girl were with a cat boy.

            Manette moved to the second, the cat boy. A young man with messy blonde hair in a black and green catsuit. Each photo of the boy on his own, he struck a pose. Each one practiced and perfect, almost as if he was a model. None of them felt genuine, like it was an act. A perfect image to sell something. She reconsidered if he was a model, to he was a model. At least an aspiring one if anything.

            Next was a dark-skinned girl in wolf-themed spandex with wild, white curly hair with black tips. This one included images of her civilian form, with the only different being the hair. Manette noted the scars on this girl’s face. There were a few small ones, but the most notable was a long one across her face. It would have slashed her eyes if not for the mask. This one seemed dangerous, ready to jump into any situation. Manette admired that.

            Manette opened the images of the one she knew: Queen Bee. The Mayor’s daughter had made no secret of who she was. She skipped over that to a ballerina bunny girl with a mouse-themed punk girl. There were no images of them alone, always together. A knife cut through Manette’s heart as she looked through the images of the young ladies. The joy they clearly displayed in each other’s company cut deep. They didn’t care who saw. All that mattered was their love.

            Manette exited out of that collection and onto the next. The images were few and most blurred. The few that weren’t blurry were of the girl’s civilian form. Manette curled her lip at the ghastly, unkempt manor of the girl. The massive holes in her jeans, the exposed belly, and offensive language across her shirt. The very picture of trouble.

            Manette shook her head and moved onto the last collection. It had fewer images than the delinquent, but they caught her eye all the more. A woman with blue skin and blue hair dressed in a dress with a long peacock tail. There weren’t any decent images of the woman’s face, except for one. Caught as the woman unfolded a peacock feather fan. Just enough of her face shown. Enough to know.

            Manette covered her mouth and put the tablet down. She fought back tears as she opened her desk drawer. She opened the secret compartment to an old family photo. Her with her husband and two girls, Nathalie and Veronique. Guilt and regret tore her apart as she looked at Nathalie’s face. She gulped and held it up to the peacock woman. A tear fell from her eye when it all clicked.

            “I don’t believe it. Nearly two decades and there you are.”

            A knock at Manette’s door. She put the photo away and shut the drawer. She looked up as Veronique walked in.

            “Dinner is almost ready.”

            “Good. I’ll done down shortly.”

            Veronique approached the desk and took the tablet. “So, what’d you think?”

            “An interesting group, but that peacock one is a compelling one.”

            Veronique rolled her eyes. “She looks like a little harlot.”

            “Don’t be daft, girl. The kids are loose and free with their appearances, but not that one. She knows she’s being watched at all times and is keeping herself hidden. You can see it. If your benefactor is so interested in those people, he needs to be careful of the peacock woman.”

            Veronique smiled. “I’ll make sure to let him know that. Thank you, Mother. I’ll see you downstairs.”

            Manette watched Veronique leave. She hummed and took out a blank paper. She knew where Nathalie was. She could finally reach out after all these years. She just needed to find Nathalie personally. If not Nathalie, then one of the kids. She had waited two decades for this opportunity, and she wasn’t going to let it slip by.

[just-a-little-unionoid]

What would you think if an evilized villain (maybe a wishmaker-like villain or maybe even a villain that's unrelated to the butterfly miraculous) caused Chloe and Zoe to switch bodies somehow, and nobody fully understands what's going on, so Zoe (in Chloe's body) is taken by Audrey back to New York, despite Zoe desperately trying to explain things. But Chloe enters a fugue state (heavily due to trauma caused by the neglect of her parents) and genuinely thinks she's Zoe, and is even able to recall many of the things Zoe did due to being in Zoe's body. The class thinks “Zoe's” change in behavior is due to the psychological effects of method acting, since “Zoe” is playing Chloe in Astruc's new movie, but they gradually convince “Zoe” to let them help her relearn how to be “herself” again. Meanwhile, in New York, Zoe is trying to get back to Paris, but when she gets there, “Zoe” thinks she’s there to try to hurt Marinette.

Eventually, after listening to “Chloe”, Marinette starts to suspect that “Chloe” might be telling the truth, so she decides that she must test “Chloe” and “Zoe”. She fakes being in danger to see how they react. “Zoe” reacts slightly faster than “Chloe”, so Marinette comes to the conclusion that “Chloe” is lying and that “Chloe” has an evil and manipulative plan. Marinette thinks that “Chloe” must have picked up a few tricks from Lila, because she thinks no version of Chloe could possibly react faster than Zoe when it comes to protecting her. So Audrey takes “Zoe” back to New York again to “correct” her after “Zoe” fails to convince anyone of the truth.

10 years later, “Zoe” gets seriously injured after fighting a villain when Ladybug isn’t around, which causes “Zoe” to not have long to live. Then Ladybug accidentally stumbles upon the truth about “Zoe” while trying to help “Zoe” using magical powers. Ladybug decides that the moral thing to do is to switch Chloe and Zoe back to their original bodies. Once Zoe gets her body back, she blames Chloe for her impending death and for leaving her with 10 years of torment, while Chloe got off scot-free. When Lila gets defeated, Zoe steals the Butterfly Miraculous to get her hands on Ladybug and Catnoir’s miraculouses, hoping to “make things right”. Zoe gets defeated by the heroes (including Chloe) and Ladybug manages to cure Zoe’s injuries.

You really send this ask to everyone, eh?

The base scenario is interesting, I'm not sure how it would fit in the canon but there could be something like that I guess, as a fanfic scenario that would be very interesting

Where I think things would go differently is that I don't believe Zoé would just accept her fate and stay with Audrey. After she fails to prove herself to Marinette (if she does, bc I think there are things only her and Marinette know and she could use them but let's say she fails for scenario, that kind of thing happen all the time in Miraculous) she would run away either in France or back in New York. And there I think she's either skilled enough to not get caught or Audrey doesn't care enough to try to get her back

I also have a few doubts about Marinette and especially "Zoé" just being okay with "Chloé" being taken back to New York, sure they didn't really think any ill of it the first time (in canon) but they kinda had other things on their mind at the time + Chloé just did something really awful. But with some time and hindsight they would remember (mostly "Zoé" but she could easily convince Marinette) how terrible and neglectful/abusive Audrey is, and "Chloé" could end up "admitting" she's Chloé but did that only to not being with Audrey anymore and that she's once again willing to be a better person and all (remember Zoé can lie and pretend, only she did it mostly to protect herself, but she's good at it) they would probably try to get her to stay, again especially "Zoé" bc she would like to help her sister (I think Zoé said she wanted to at some point? not sure, I should rewatch someday). Also I don't think André would be as suspicious, if his daughter get back to him like "I'm so sorry daddy I understand what I've done was wrong, I'll try to be better" he would trust her, especially if she obviously is better, like I mean from the begining remember people's names and all

But yeah if they don't, Zoé would probably run away, she wouldn't just wait 10 years until she discover her body is dying, et the very last she would only wait 4 years until she's legally adult (she would still be a minor but not "Chloé") and just break ties with Audrey

Also I straight up do not believe the "moral thing to do" that Ladybug would come up with would be to let Zoé die in a body she didn't hurt herself lmao

Anyway, good base scenario tho, I like it, you should write this fanfic!

Also it was fun! Feel free to take or not some of my suggestions into account and, if you want to, send me a new ask with the new version? Or if you prefer your version, to explain me why, it would be interesting either way

[plaggioclase]

The Emancipation of Rina

and the abdication of one queen b

What is the point of this

Sabrina and Chloe each learn to be her own person but separately

After moving to nyc with Audrey,Chloe goes through like 6 crises hits rock bottom and crawls back out, in the meantime sabrina becomes a famous actress, they may meet again after many years by chance.

Something about moving on but not quite letting go, holding onto something you don’t understand… turning the past over and over trying to figure out the meaning of it, reframing it and coming up empty, striding forward into the unknown anyway. Adrien and delmar are also there though in what capacity I’m not sure yet

Codependency withdrawal/ resentful yearning

being each other’s only friend but that friendship wasnt even normal/healthy

What are boundaries

Like a fly preserved in amber, a ghost from a past life

For seven (?) years Sabrina Raincomprix lived breathed hoped and dreamed Chloe bourgeois

I wish you could come with me.

…

Chloe stops wearing yellow (depressed) This is horrible but honestly could see her develop an ed Chloe dyes her hair red??????? regrets it… brown????? Wearing sunglasses inside Stay contact with butler Jean

If she were to hold a job in retail or food service for any length of time shed have to learn a thing or two about civility

mcdonalds

If she’s in nyc she could meet delmar [ takeout delivery boy ] suppose delmar and Sabrina are ldr???

Astrochat??? Amelie

Adrien - Harry- Gabriel’s parents.

Adrien agreste and Chloe bourgeois change their names to adrien A , Chloe B (cut off the family) Sabrina Raincomprix -> Rina Rainco,for professional advancement as an actress. Starting in theatre moving to the screen.

chance meeting, red carpet movie premiere

frontrunner Chloe career atm is some Cindy Sherman adjacent thing that spreads into fashion photography and cinematography. I think it could be good for her to have a hands on technical skill with physical objects and tangible results, that would feel grounded and real. Starting by deconstructing and reconstructing her own image and identity, then eventually also serving to create images and fantasies that others can share. Which brings her back into the film industry circle which can include Adrien, Sabrina, Zoe, mylene (actors) and Nino (writer/director) Ivan(best boy-key grip)

As well as peripherally marinette(costume), juleka(hair/makeup), Nathaniel (storyboard), Marc (writing) Luka (music) nora (stunt coordinator)

Although she would avoid fashion editor Audrey and movie director Andre at all costs

Kagami in fine arts. Kim athletics, pro swimming, personal trainer & ondine Lila …….. Alix professed interest in stem & Max game dev etc Wayhem……. Rose something in beauty & fragrance, with juleka.

[princess-of-the-corner]

I can make this https://www.tumblr.com/princess-of-the-corner/766707910768279552/going-to-play-devils-advocate-here-and-say-its?source=share more heartbreaking!

Chloe thinks the gift is from her mother, and that Zoe's being honest with her right? So she tries to extend an olive branch and tries to set things up to watch the st- not stupid movie with her sister and mother (She's still furious at Andre for going behind her back)

(She could also try to just watch it with her mother, cos Zoe's seen it, Andre is still on the outs and sort of view it as building herself up.)

Exactly how long this all takes to implode, explode and morph into something traumatic and horrible is up in the air. It could go off the rails instantly, or in stages (Like Audrey doesn't show up) or near the end of the film. The end result though its Chloe has her mothers cruelty thrown in her face again, Zoe lied and Andre, well he's Andre.

The end result is an explosive dismissal from Audrey about the gift and reminding Chloe how she's once again unexceptional and whether Zoe's present or not, Chloe knows it was just a trick.

Honesty yeah I think that even if Zoé and even the class did everything right, using Audrey like that would backfire.

Because yeah Chloé thinks 'Ah. Mother gave this charm for Zoé to give to me. So she must think Zoé is doing something right and we should get along'.

And maybe for a while it works. Sure she notices the speech Zoé gave her was ripped from the script, but hey Chloé isn't too good with words herself.

But Zoé takes the lead. Gives her an example. Gentle reprimands when Chloé misbehaves, etc. Everything that Chloé needs to get better.

Gets the whole class in on it, because even if they're skeptical as hell they'll do anything for Zoé.

And it almost works....

Except nothing with Audrey is getting any better. Chloé is doing what Audrey wanted, which should get praise, right? But it never comes. It never did in the first place, but somehow it's worse now.

And much like what happened in Queen Wasp, Chloé snaps and demands to know what she's doing wrong. Brings up the necklace she gave.

Audrey has no idea what she's talking about. Even if she thought she was so deserving of a gift, she'd never choose something so tacky!

it starts crumbling

Zoé lied. Zoé manipulated her. And though it's something Chloé is very used to, this had been the first time she'd felt so genuinely loved.

And to hear it was all fake. That Zoé was just like their mother, promising affection in exchange for good behavior. Just like Ladybug, who built her up just to use her until a better replacement came along....

[temporalbystander]

Okay so uptoolateart is amazing and makes amazing posts and I've spent the last hour skimming through a bunch of them. First of all, if Transmission is supposed to be Alya's redemption as a hero, where Exaltation was hers as a person, I may really need to watch it. But that's not the important part, I know I'm amazed at that too agreed Alya salt not being the most important part of a post of mine?

No the important part was an offhand comment about Determination where they noted that Kagami saying look in a mirror was funny because Kagami was Japanese for mirror. Now my Japanese is based solely off of anime so I thought Kagami would be more similar to fire god. Where Ka means fire and Gami is used interchangeably with kami, which means god. But okay. It's mirror. I'm sure I need no further explanation to tell all of you why that is currently making me freak out!

Kagami, the girl forced to be perfect in every way her mother demands, who is most definitely a sentimonster made by her mother for those demands, is named mirror... Excuse my French (heh) but could this bitch be any more of a crazy psycho?!!!

In fact let's hit google real quick shall we?

Felix comes from the Latin word meaning Lucky or fortunate. Which any fan of Harry Potter should have already known but it's good to be sure.

Adrien? Well also from Latin it could mean son of Adria or Hadria which are rivers in Italy. Go for Greek though? And it means rich. Gee. I wonder if that might have been Gabriel's preferred choice. *Rolls eyes*

I know in a fictional show that all names reflect some character traits, Dupain is french for bread for crying out loud! But when said show also includes children who have been made for a specific purpose? Kind of goes to show that Amelie might be the better parent out of this lot since she considers being able to have a child at all extremely lucky.

In fact, following this trend, let's see who the most likely candidate in the Bourgeois family is hmm?

Now Bourgeois is french for... The middle class... Seriously? How in the hell has not been used against her yet? Anyway, moving on.

Chloe means young green shoot in french but in Greek means blooming or fertility so... Probably not her since I don't see Audrey being that obvious. Or maybe she just named her daughter after the range of handbags.

Next is Zoe. Which comes from Greek and means life, light of life or brave. Since the brave part seems to be more her character? I'll say that it's not her either.

Which leaves us with Andre in some theories. Now you look into his name and it means either man or warrior which... While fitting if he were to be a senti and Audrey named him? Also kind of shows how unimportant he is when you consider his full name is just man of the middle class. Which is also fitting character wise and makes me think that it was originally his surname and not Audrey's.

You know just out of curiosity I looked up Audrey as well and... Her name can either be translated as noble strength or ancient power. Neither of which particularly seem to fit. I mean I guess if you twist it and squint a bit you could get power of the nobles? Which would kind of fit her above everyone else character.

So I guess that means we only have three sentihumans running about.

[imthepunchlord]

Sorry for the question, but which ML fanfics are you working on? Any chance of a "Off to..." or "Chasing a Butterfly" coming soon?

At this time, it's the Miraculous Rewrite, Copycat, and Manynette Sodium Rich Edition.

I have also thought of Dodged a Beetle, Off to (Italy), the idea of the what if Alya and Nino were chosen as the lead heroes, Get Your Stripe On!, and Zodiac heroes.

And with the gradual Miraculous rewatch, there are other ideas that have come up/back to me, like the Parent Swap au, which is a technically semi life swap au, exploring what if this parent wound up with a different partner instead (like the primary two are Marinette being the daughter of Gabriel and Sabine while Adrien was Tom and Emilie, or what if Gabriel and Audrey did marry while Andre and Emilie married).

With Paris Special was intrigued to explore my own idea on what the universe of Alya and Zoe as the lead heroes could be like.

So there's quite a few Miraculous ideas hanging around, though at this time, I will say I am more focused on original writing. So I can't say for sure if an update for anything Miraculous will come soon.

[eddo-tensei]

I'm gonna say something because it took me a while to figure out what was really wrong with Zoe Lee without resorting to using the term "Mary Sue" because it doesn't feel like an argument people can use anymore and it just didn't feel like it was the exact problem here. While one could argue Zoe has a lot of those traits, there's something else to her that bothers me. That said, Socqueline's depiction in Derision finally gave me an answer.

Zoe Lee isn't a Mary Sue character. In fact, she's barely a character at all. Her entire arc is resolved in two episodes and since then, she's mostly been in the background since then, only being brought in to "fill in" blanks. Need a Bee wielder, but you don't want to use Chloe? Bring in Zoe. Need a Cat wielder, but you don't want to use Nino for some reason? Bring in Zoe. Need a LGBTQ rep, but you don't want to use a character that's too prominent? Bring in Zoe because she's barely in the show otherwise. Hell, her having a crush on Marinette doesn't amount to anything because at that point, the show is going full steam ahead with Adrienette and I have a feeling that the writers don't have the balls to even hint at the idea of Marinette being anything but straight. She's a hopeless suitor filling in for Luka while he's at Brazil and that's annoying especially since they could've written her to be interested in someone else, but they didn't. Zoe Lee is a "supporting character" in the most literal definition you could think of and that fucking sucks.

It's actually a massive issue with a lot of the cast in Miraculous beyond the "main characters", not just Zoe herself. At times, they don't actually feel like characters you're supposed to care about on their own. Sometimes, they feel like they're just there strictly to support other "more important" characters like Marinette and Adrien. This wasn't always the case, but it's slowly been becoming that as the series went on with Season 5 having this issue at its worst. I understand that writing characters beyond the mains can be hard, but that shouldn't mean you should just make them glorified support packs. You can do much more with them and you shouldn't have us look at them strictly through the lens of the main protagonist. This being a show for kids shouldn't be an excuse for that either because MANY shows allow us to care for the supporting cast beyond how the protagonist feels.

Feel free to disagree, but I don't hold that much of a gripe with Zoe in concept. Now I don't like how she had been depicted in the series up to this point and I DESPISE what they do for her towards the end of the season, but the idea of an illegitimate half-sister for Chloe could've been interesting as it could've shown how messed up the Bourgeois family was, a concept that they never bothered to touch beyond "Chloe bad." In fact, they seem to be on the path of just having her be a Bourgeois while shoving Chloe out into the street. Because who cares about her other family? Zoe would just be "great" in the Bourgeois family. I'm sure Andre won't just shower Zoe with gifts while not giving her any real support. Nope, because that would imply that he isn't a good parent. And I'm totally sure Chloe being shipped off to Audrey with the implication of more abuse coming her way TOTALLY isn't spreading a horrible message about how to treat troubled youth. Nope, not at all. I pray to god people here can read sarcasm.

Finally, I've stated much of my feelings for Socqueline already, but she should not have been introduced so late and the fact that she was utterly tanks any potential she might've had as a character. If anything, her existence undermines other characters like Alya. Alya's introduction made it clear that she meant a lot to Marinette, who probably didn't have any friends to begin with. That showed us that Alya was really important to Marinette growing as a person and that their friendship held a lot of weight. But not after this because it turns out Marinette already had a super great friend who was always there for her and was torn away from Marinette when mean old Chloe got her suspended. Even though Socqueline never actually left Paris and was probably in that arts and crafts store the whole time. An arts and crafts store that Marinette never went to until Season 5. And now that she's been introduced, despite how abrupt her introduction is, Alya salters will probably try to use Socqueline as Marinette's "true best friend" while shitting on Alya for something they blame her for (Most likely concerning Lila). Can you tell that I REALLY hate salters?

They had over four seasons.

Socqueline was in an arts and crafts store in Paris throughout the entire run of Miraculous. There was nothing that indicated she left Paris. Just that she was forced out of College Dupont. She was in a store that Marinette could probably walk or take a bus to so the latter could see her "best friend." This also could've been a place that Marinette hung out in to pursue her dream as a designer. This is a place that Marinette could've brought people like Alya, Mylene, Juleka, Rose, Alyx, and many others to. Yet we never got a scene like that, much less one where they got to meet Socqueline.

They had four seasons to implement this character into the show. Four seasons that all had a consistent count of 26 half-hour episodes, something that most cartoons these days WISH they had, along with some specials. They had all of that time and their only "hint" to Socqueline's existence until Season 5 was Marinette changing her hairstyle before the series.

This is not a character you just drop into a series. They had plenty of opportunities to introduce Socqueline and how important she was to Marinette. If she was this important to her, SHE SHOULD'VE BEEN IN THE SHOW FROM THE START. I don't care what justifications you have. This is garbage and given that this is supposed to be for a character who was SUPER important to Marinette as a person, it's even worse. At most, beyond the fake Ladybug episode, it feels like the main purpose of her character is to shoehorn in a ridiculous incident into Chloe's list of crimes. An incident that doesn't even make sense even when she's there. For someone who's supposed to be Marinette's idol, it sure is interesting that she wasn't even a presence in the show until she cosplayed as Marinette's alter-ego in SEASON FUCKING FIVE.

And before you cry and tell me I'm being mean, this is not me "hating someone who protected Marinette with her life." This is me hating the writers shoehorning in a character that was supposedly super-important to the main character and then treating her like a fucking guest star. They made her as a narrative tool to justify Marinette's questionable behavior. That's not good and if this was actually planned from the start, that's even worse. You shouldn't be proud that they basically left a character in the backburner for four seasons (over a HUNDRED EPISODES) and then plant her in Season 5 without even giving us a hint of her existence beforehand. That is fanfic tier writing. I know this because I write it myself.

Please have better standards for your shows.

[gale-gentlepenguin]

Gale Poorly Explains Sole Crusher

Zoe: Hi I am new to Paris. Do you want to be friends?

Marinette: Nice Hot Rich Blonde. I apparently have a type. Want to be friends

Zoe: Sure

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Audrey: Ah yes the other girl I shot from my birth canal. Yea whatever.

Zoe: I have a feeling this is not going to be a very welcoming home.

Chloé: Okay half sister. Just act exactly like me and everything will be cash money. Also Here is Sabrina in a closet.

Sabrina: If you think thats bad its okay I am into it

Zoe: Wtf

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(Getting out of a car)

Chloé: ...And thats every reason why I should never have been redeemed. I am basically hitler as a rich 14 year old.

Zoe: Wow... I sure hope the fans hear all of this and are happy I am replacing you.

Chloé: What?

Zoe: Nothing.

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Alya: Wow... The girl is Chloé's half sister and she is just like her.

Marinette: Hold on a second, we cant just judge her so quickly. I have to see what she is like.

Marinette: Hey Zoe

Zoe: Leave loser (Zoe internally weeping)

Marinette: :c

Chloé: I am proud of you

Sabrina: Step on me

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Marinette: I dont buy that she is a second chloé.

Tikki: Go for it Marinette. Start your harem

Marinette: Zoe, I know you are top tier waifu. What up with you.

Zoe: Its complicated.

Marinette: Come aboard the ship.

Zoe: You mean the Liberty.

Marinette: Yea... that ship.

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Andre: Even though you are canonical proof that my wife f***ed another man, I will share my tragic backstory with you..

Zoe: Wow... thats a mood not Fam.

(also subtle appearance of Adrien's and Kagami's moms)

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Shadowmoth: Lets make a very confusing akuma

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Sole Crusher: I am going to step on everyone!

Sabrina: (In a closet) I feel like something is happening that I would very much enjoy

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Marinette: Zoe, I know you are in there. Snap out of it.

Chat noir: Dont worry Marinette I will

Marinette: Chat noir! CANT YOU SEE I AM IN THE MIDDLE OF A CONVERSATION.

Chat noir:... Well okay then.

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Ladybug: Okay I know where the akuma is

Chat noir: Neat!

(and so they beat Sole Crusher

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(Zoe headed to the liberty)

Zoe: Emotional explanation of everything that totally justifies my actions.

Everyone: We instantly believe you and you are now part of our group.

Zoe: Wait, shouldnt this happen over the course of several episodes until I full prove myself in your eyes.

Marinette: Our standards for friendship are very low here.

(Montage of Zoe becoming a life long friend because development over the course of episodes is boring)

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