#zodiac miraculouses

[melissak2802]

And if we were to get rid of as many Zodiac Miraculouses as we reasonably can by redistributing the powers as additional to the main ones...

Resistance easily goes to the Turtle. Clout goes to the Cat. Genesis is already a variation of Lucky Charm. An Uproar equivalent with different aesthetic goes to the Bee (making someone's power harmless is conceptually not that far from immobilising and can as well count as Subjugation). Gift goes to the Fox.

Voyage - while earlier concepts of ML suggested a teleportation power for the Cat, it does not fit Destruction so wouldn't work anymore. So the Horse stays.

This way we have remaining: Mouse, Rabbit, Dragon, Snake, Horse, Rooster, Dog.

Result of such a simple operation: no powers lost. System levelled by Cat, Fox, Turtle and Bee having each two functions now within their concept. Five additional Miraculouses less.

[melissak2802]

About disproportionate powers, probably they ended up with too many of these because they made the enemy Miraculouses too powerful and the initial hero ones not powerful enough compared to these.

If only they would state that the heroes don't have full access to the abilities of Cat, Fox, Turtle and Bee due to being young and inexperienced and unlocked more of their powers with time - it would solve the issue of Butterfly and Peacock being relatively too strong, it would allow to introduce new heroic powers without making it a "17 Miraculouses against two" situation, it would explain why they couldn't use those cool powers earlier.

They could still introduce, like, two or three additional Miraculouses, okay five, not a set of twelve (they really don't even feel like a set).

And if they had ideas for interesting powers but not of making them work in story, they could mention those Miraculouses during Marinette's Guardian studies and say those are lost. And maybe for an extra spice occasionally involving a stray Miraculous in the hands of third party - secondary antagonist, semi-independent brief ally, you name it. It would still allow inventing powers but without causing disbalance in the main conflict or forcing random powers to be a set.

The Temp Heroes - Why They’re Not Exactly the Justice League (Late 1500 Follower Special)

A common hallmark of most superhero shows is the wide variety of heroes and villains who appear as the story develops. The idea of a wide ensemble cast of heroes is an interesting one, as it leads to all kinds of character dynamics, as shows like X-Men, Justice League, Teen Titans, Avengers: Earth’s Mightiest Heroes, and Young Justice have demonstrated. Ever since Season 2 of Miraculous Ladybug, it’s clear that the show is trying to do something like that, but hadn’t really pulled it off for a number of reasons.

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[zoe-oneesama]

What's wrong with fusions?, In my opinion I would love that fusing miraculous would grant a new power, and it is sad that it is not exploiters more that concept

Y'all really should try searching my blog because, once again, I've talked about it before.

The short answer is they're boring. It's so literal by just giving the two Miraculouses powers instead of combining to make a whole new power, which imo would've actually been interesting. And just like the power ups and just like introducing the Zodiac Miraculouses as early as Season 2 (but not using any of them until Season 3), they just introduced too much. Maybe finish the things you've already introduced before adding shit?

[redtippedfox]

Accidentally deleted this post when I was trying to edit it but guess I can’t undo that.

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All characters in this AU are aged up and are adults

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Anyway gonna take this chance to redo this post and upload her updated kwami swaps.

Behold the holy trinity of Kwami swaps part 1

1. Fox! Marinette: Huli Jing, she’s a trickster and her illusions are beautifully dangerous

2. Bee! Marinette: HoneyBee: She’s hella sweet but you don’t wanna piss her off because her sting can hurt

3. Turtle! Marinette: Chelona Jade: Graceful, strong, and powerful she is the protector.

4. Black Cat! Marinette: Lady Noire: Pent up Destruction can be dangerous especially for a rule follower who’s been stuck being perfect

5. Mouse! Marinette: Multimouse: She may be small but she can give you quite a scare when she divides and conquers.

6. Peacock! Marinette: Bleu Celine: A Goddess in human flesh her Sentimonster’s seem like a dream but beware for they are not all they seem.

7. Butterfly! Marinette: Titania: Light as a butterfly, become her champion be blessed by her gift.

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These kwami swaps are definitely going to appear in Timey Wimey soon, we’re getting really close to Marinette’s reveal. I’ll also be posting the other half of this which the Chinese zodiac part of the Miracle Box, yep that’s right my girl is pulling a Kwamibuster on the corrupted hero’s but with a twist. Anywho, updated their designs and was just trying to edit the post but accidentally deleted it so whoops.

So cleaned up their designs and thought might as well post more.

The main seven Miraculouses are still my favorite

[takero2]

Will you change tiger weapons for this au/rewrite will you change the miraculous jewels to bc I noticed Marie had a ring and what will you do for the elements part of the box for fox butterfly peacock turtle and bee and what will happen to the zodiac kwami and will the dragon and tiger have new powers

Thank you for your questions! I'm really happy that I could make people ask such thoughtful questions about my AU

Will you change tiger weapons for this au/rewrite?

It’s the easiest question here haha. No. At least I don’t plan to.

Will you change the miraculous jewels to bc I noticed Marie had a ring?

Yes. First of all, one should understand which materials could be used for making jewelry. During Qing dynasty the most popular materials were jade, gold, silver, kingfisher feathers, pearls, coral, amber, lapis lazuli, cat’s eye and turquoise.

Yan ring

Ying bracelet

What will you do for the elements part of the box for fox butterfly peacock turtle and bee?

The new miraculous system consists of 4 layers. The first layer and the bottom one consists of crow, snake, fox, weasel and hedgehog, the Five Great Immortals, also known as Wudaxian. The second layer is Vermilion bird and Black Warrior. The third layer is Dragon and Tiger miraculouses. The third and the second layer consist of The Four Symbols. The fourth layer is Qilin, the ultimate form that can be acquired by combining tiger and dragon miraculouses.

Here's the scheme of the new system

At this point, Vermilion bird is new Butterfly, Dragon is new Ladybug, Tiger is new Black cat and Black warrior is new Bee. Fox stays the same.

What will happen to the zodiac kwami?

Yes, zodiac kwamis indeed fit into this setting. However, in my opinion, this amount of kwamis is unnecessary. Besides power overlapping, it leads to some kwamis being overpowered and/or not memorable enough.

Power overlapping

Fluff and Sass. Rabbit and Snake miraculouses. The most obvious one, in my opinion. Snake miraculous is like a cropped version of the rabbit miraculous. And it raises certain questions. Does one miraculous influence the second one? Does snake miraculous also creates a new alternative timeline? Unclear...

Orikko and Nooroo. Rooster and Butterfly miraculouses. Rooster is also a cropped version of butterfly miraculous. If butterfly can give one any superpower PLUS a cool costume, rooster grants just a power that doesn’t already belong to another kwami. It’s also unclear if goat miraculous is able to copy power from another miracle box.

Tikki , Ziggy and Xuppu. Ladybug, Goat and Monkey miraculouses. It’s actually unexpected but Ladybug (in terms of a superpower) is a cropped version of Goat miraculous. A holder of Goat miraculous can control a created object, while Ladybug’s created object is random. Monkey miraculous just summons a subject to "throw it at the opponent." So, basically mindless usage of a ladybug miraculous?

Wayzz and Stompp. Turtle and Ox miraculouses. Ox miraculous is a turtle miraculous just without a shield.

ARGUABLY!! Fluff and Kaalki. Rabbit and Horse miraculouses. Rabbit miraculous holder is able to travel through both time and space. Can’t holder travel also jump just through space?

Overpowered

Duusu. Peacock miraculous.This is arguable point; peacock being able to create actual people with their own emotions, opinions and feelings without anything in return? These synthesized people do not draw their vitality from a third-party source? Plus, adult holder can create endless amount of these human likenesses? Firstly, that doesn’t sound like equivalent exchange to me. Secondly. Fortunately, no one thought of creating an army of these clones.

Fluff. Rabbit miraculous. Time travel. Holder can change anything in time. In past, future and present. Endlessly.

Nooroo. Butterfly miraculous. It’s also worth mentioning that Butterfly miraculous is capable of copying 2 main miraculouses, Ladybug and Black cat miraculouses, other miraculouses in the box and creating absolutely new powers. It’s unclear if it can revive dead or not.

what...

Xuppu. Monkey miraculous. What... I didn't even get what the superpower was even about. Had to google it

Here's some of my thoughts. Kwamis at this point become tools, not characters. I personally couldn't even remember even the half of kwamis' names, unfortunately. In the show they're more like cute plushies than ancient immortal creatures.

Will the dragon and tiger have new powers?

It’s a trick question and I’m still thinking it through. At this point. No. I’ll just make them more controllable. At first you should think of a plan and then look what you're lacking. Kids will have to learn this lesson 😉

Thank you for your questions again. I really appreciate it!!

References + Concepts

I wanted to make a massive man's ring formed like an archer's ring.

At first, I considered these types of bracelets, but then I realized they might be too heavy. So, it meant they would be uncomfortable for fighting. At last, I shaped it like one of the reference bracelets.

If someone has any objections or I've mistaken, please dm me or ask a question. I'm open to a discussion

[melissak2802]

Love this take, especially the changed powers for Rabbit, Rooster and Goat. And the secondary powers of Butterfly and Peacock opposed as "rational" manipulation vs emotion manipulation, I think it's a great idea. And other secondary powers are neat too.

One question through, what is the difference of the Pig's secondary power from the Butterfly and Peacock ones? Butterfly can send people your thoughts but not emotions, Pig sends them your emotions, and Peacock gives them positive emotions regardless of the user's ones, right?

Anyways, here’s me making an AU of the Miraculouses, their powers, and how they work because I had too much time on my hands

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[s4tvrnsays]

Hero lineup!! Featuring some extra cigognelles bc shes too pretty not to draw

I originally planned on doing both the hero and civilian designs and then posting, but im too lazy and impatient so here u go

My longggggg thoughts and extra doodles down below, as always :333

OKAY!

So here are some things i kept in mind while designing them! Its nothing extraordinary but i like hearing people talk abt this stuff so i thought others would enjoy it too

While designing the three of them, i didnt exactly keep any inspiration for their designs (other than cigognelle, sorry lb and cn…) but there were some things i DID want, ill go through them here.

It was also pretty important for me that they look cohesive, because they DO have the big three miraculouses (i do like the idea of the other heroes joining, no zodiac miraculous tho)

I also pointed out some parts of the design that might be missed bc im obsessed

Ladybug:

One thing i wanted to incorporate was LESS SPOTS!!! Movie chat was right she DOES look like a watermelon

I also remembered mr bug’s suit and how he had armor on, and i really liked that idea! In my mind, the shoulder pads and breastplate are made of some sort of hard material, something synthetic.

And i also made her look more like a ladybug, with antennae. The little spikes are similar to the little hairs on insects, though ladybugs themselves dont have them (the little segments on their legs are joints, and i didnt rly like the look of them on a suit). This is mainly so she looks more insecty

The lines on her suit are inspired by spiderman!! As another insect themed hero, it was fun to make ladybug similar to him in that aspect. Expect to see her in spiderman poses in my art lol

Cigognelle:

Her look is inspired by ballet, because is there truly anything more graceful and crane-like than that?

I had my eye on specifically 1920s theatre and ballet costumes. Her hair, her hat (yes its a hat lol), her heels, etc

I thought it really fit her style, and her mostly black and white color scheme

Speaking of color scheme, i was REALLY surprised when i found out how perfect her colors were. The black and red are both colors that chat and ladybug have, and i thought it fit really well, considering her role :)

The little daggers she has are in the shape of a crane beak

And of course, heels. Because she slays

Chat Noir:

Now, chat’s suit didnt really change much. Im in love with his actual suit, but i’d still make a few changes

Same as ladybug, i wanted to add in more elements from a cat. Again, his suit does this really well (the PAW TOES!!!!!! Im literally obsessed) so i only added some fur on his shoulders, wrist, and on his boots.

The little cat buckle on his concept design is far too cute, so i added it back, this time as a solid silver one for simplicity

I added some little silver studs around his suit, like his arms and mask and also his ears (it doesn’t show tho)

And lastly, i brought in more green into his design, cuz its more fun that way!!!

I feel like my throat is dry somehow from all that typing

Anywayssssss here are the doodles :3

Theyre so precious to me u dont understand

[thefcguy]

Zoé Lee - An Analysis (Part 1)

It's been quite a while since I have been wanting to do an analysis inspired on miraculous. Today, I decided to make one inspired by the most divisive character in the fandom: Zoe Lee.

I already talked a little about her in my asks to @nerd-chocolate

This first part will be about her role pre-canon.

Just a small warning: Zoe is a character that I grew to like overtime. So, this analysis might not be the best if you are a Zoe hater. I am trying to analyze her based on a more neutral view, but there are sections were I say my opinion.

So, I ask you two things: one, if you hate Zoe, be respectful in the comments. If you can't, just ignore the post.

Pre-Canon

First, I think it's important to say that... we don't know much about the process of creation of the majority of the miraculous characters. We only know about part of Marinette's long history, and some things of Felix/Adrien.

But, as for the rest of the class... we know nothing. And Zoe is included. We don't know for sure where the idea came from, the inspirations, what changed during her creation, early sketches... nothing.

A lot about the creation of miraculous was never revealed to us... and, with this little, I managed to come up with my own theories...

One of the first pieces of information of miraculous that we have is on the quantix kids. At first, Marinette and Adrien would be a part of a group of superheroes that didn't use miraculouses, but had other sources of power.

This heroes included Kid Mime, Gavroche and Melodie...

Although we can't be 100% sure of who became who eventually, the fandom usually assumes Gavroche became Nino or Max, Kid Mime became Nathaniel, and Melodie became Chloe.

Later concepts show a blonde character with long hair that seemed to be very nice and friends with Marinette.

I think this concept makes very clear that she would have become Chloe eventually. But, as you guys can see, she is nothing like Chloe personality wise... and she has longer hair...

Am I implying that Chloe's original concepts might have been used as a reference for Zoe in the future? I can't say for sure, but, it's definetely a possibility.

Either way, new ideas were brought into the table, the plot suffered changes, and the show we know and have a love/hate relationship with started.

But, when season 1 ended, the fandom faced the first big hiatus...

I was very small back then, but I remember how active it was. People made comics, made theories on how the characters would be like, who would have the remaining miraculouses on the box (back when we didn't know the chinese zodiacs were a part of it) and how the show would continue.

We were sure season 2 would have the reveal, Love Square becoming canon, Lila being a new threat that would change the game, new permant holders changing the dynamic between the heroes, Master Fu giving us answers, and a more mature tone...

Well, none of it ended up happening, and it's a bit sad that nothing that we as fans predicted about season 2 happened... with the exception of new heroes.

They didn't work as we expect, but, they were still there. Back then, we had many theories as to who would use the remaining miraculouses...

Some theorized Sabrina or Nathaniel could get the fox, or that new characters would become the new permanent holders of the miraculous (because people thought Astruc said once that 'those that were akumatized weren't worthy of having a miraculous'... he didn't say that, I think, but, who cares now?).

A few of us already guesses Alya would have the fox, and Chloe the bee. (There were fanarts of Nino with the turtle, but, the majority of the fandom didn't put much faith into the idea because they thought it seemed too fanfic-y... look at how the tables had turned).

Then, they started using this concept of the Bee holder as a reference for new theories...

Some insisted on saying that it was Chloe, others said it was Rose, others that it would be a new character... but, some were a bit more creative... they said that the holder of the bee was Chloe's twin sister who lived with their mother.

With this theory becoming more and more popular, a friend of Astruc, who had acess to the plans of next season in advance, and even made fanart of Adrien and Mari with kwagatamas way before season 2 (if I remember correctly, I might be confusing them with somebody else) posted an art of this character.

Amber Bourgeois, Chloe's twin sister who would become the holder of the bee...

Eventually, it was revealed this was all a joke and Chloe would become the holder of the bee.

Even though Amber wasn't created by Thomas, and she never even happened... it's a bit hard not believing she was part of the inspiration behind Zoe...

She uses a black jacket, and a bee shirt underneath.

This whole section is here to say that: we don't know what was the process behind Zoe's creation and my theory is probably fake... but there are some very interesting coincidences here that we can't ignore.

The first official sneek peak we had at Zoe's creation was during the hiatus of seasons 3 and 4.

The fandom was feral... and not on a good way.

Many were bitter at how Chloe's situation was handle, and started to hate this "replacement" and blame her for what happened to Chloe.

I will be honest, I always hated what they did to Chloe, because, her arc is messy, she is a character that is inconsistent, and she doesn't make sense. It seems like there are many Chloe's that swap with each other before the episodes... that is, before season 4 and 5 when they literally made her one of the worst people in the planet.

But, I literally had no idea what to think of Zoe.

Then the trailers of Queen Banana started to come out, and people started to spit even more venom, write fake leaked scripts of how her debut would be and more...

But, I kind of understand why people thought that, because, from what the trailers were hinting, Zoe would receive her miraculous the same episoded she debuted, because the production of this season was a mess and so was the Chronological order.

Then, a new episode was revealed: Sole Crusher.

And the interesting part was that no one know what to few about the episode. Everyone seemed to just feel nothing about it. It wouldn't be good, nor bad, just meh... but that's for the next analysis.

[imthepunchlord]

Honestly, I wouldn’t bother with the Prodigious (Zodiac Miraculous) for the Bugettes AU specifically? The name itself strongly suggests that the bug-themed fairies are THE magical beings of this world off the bat. Beyond that, you’ve already got a solid, stable magical system running here with just the European-inspired seven Miraculous and three Calamitous; considering that system, the color choices and the design symbols, not to mention the not-fully-finalized stuff like powers, weapons and holders, trying to have 12 more unique additions in any of those groups sounds like, if not a massive headache waiting to happen (you of course know your own threshold better than me), extremely tedious/redundant for what you already have going on at the very least, which is one of the problems that canon itself already has. I’ve seen it mentioned on here and other blogs as the show’s continued on that the writers should’ve either had just the yin-yang and Wuxing levels of the Miracle Box in canon or just the Zodiac level, and I agree wholeheartedly. Not nearly every teenager shown on-screen needs to have a Miraculous to “validate” their or the Miraculouses’ existence in the ML world, they just don’t, and canon also ran into the problem I brought up of repetitive and often overpowered versions of previously established yin-yang/Wuxing powers once they FINALLY got around to showing all of the Zodiac Miraculous in action. They never even FINISHED showing what all of the potions do!!! And that’s not even getting into the canon!Prodigious or Native American Miracle Box! And the worst part is that they logistically and pragmatically executed each and every one of these magical systems in-universe ABYSMALLY! All this to say that I’m very similar to that one anon who brought up why they’d vehemently rather see a full-on, no-subversions girl group for this AU in that, while I don’t doubt that you specifically would be able to pull off the writing, canon has soured the idea of having more moving magical system parts than what the main story is focusing on that I can’t even enjoy seeing it in AUs anymore - that I have to literally push through reading it in writing or comics that I really like otherwise just to understand what’s happening in the rest of it that I genuinely enjoy and am there for. My distaste goes ESPECIALLY hard when the established magical systems are inspired by different cultures like European and Chinese as is the (STRONGLY muddled together) case in canon and would be the case for this AU if you included your version of the Prodigious. I would actually love to see how you would write a story where only the Zodiac Miraculous exist as the Chinese Miracle Box too!! Just not existing separately in the same world as the European Miraculous and Calamitous in the Bugettes AU, if that makes sense.

It does, and I feel you!

I fully agree that canon has poured out way more than they know what to work with. And a lot of it you raise a brow at in how it's handled, or wonder why was this included. Or they included stuff at weird times.

Like, s2, we got the confirmation of potions AND Zodiac Miraculous.

Did we really need both confirmed?

And then, before we get to see all of both, they do two Specials revealing NA Miraculous and the canon Prodigious; both of which are up in the air of how covered they'll actually get; and yeah, they just pour out way too much.

Most shows, when introducing a new concept in the new season, that usually takes the focus of the new season. So they did it really weird.

If it helps, the Prodigious are more a concept thought for plausible worldbuilding, as I do like the idea that different countries could potentially have their own magical thing going on, what the potential relations can be, and have it as an open door if I want to try and shuffle up the dynamics of different magic and do something else for any potential villain ideas.

But that doesn't mean the Prodigious will actually ever appear or even be mentioned. It's actually way to early to say yes or no to them even appearing, as I haven't even started on any planning for the idea. Only thing I can say for sure is that the Bugettes will be the primary focus, and the Calamitous will be the main villainous force. At this time, I'd say, IF the Prodigious do appear, they're more likely to be saved as the next big arc after the Calamitous. But I don't even know if I would want to continue to the next big arc.

So, really, they're just present for potential worldbuilding, and are an open door for the future if I want to go through it. They for sure won't be the focus. I really can't say if they'll even get mentioned in Bugettes au.

[miraculouslbcnreactions]

Can you think of some better powers for the Miraculous that debuted in season 4?

The whole miracle box needs reworked because they went about it backwards. When developing lore like that, you usually want to start with the magic and then find users for it once the magic system has been worked out to something clear and logical. You should also probably try to base the magic on the culture you're designing your magic around, especially if you're not actually part of the culture in question. Just a thought.

Instead of doing any of that, the Zodic miraculouses appear to have been designed around their eventual holders, which makes for some really nonsense lore like the mess that is the Rooster.

As I discussed at length a little while ago, I would have probably replaced the colored macarons and cheese with the zodiac Miraculous to create more interesting and more limiting powerups. This is very much a personal opinion, but I prefer really strict, limited magic systems because that's when you - and your characters - have to get creative to make things work. If magic is whatever you want, then it can get boring. For example, is anyone actually excited by the idea that Adrien can now cataclysm as many things as he wants in a fight? The scene where he got the power was cute, but really think about what it means. It's no longer going to be a big deal if he hits the wrong target. He can just try again next time, no big deal.

I think the writers really missed the mark on that bit of lore. "Adults" should not have been given unlimited uses. They should have been given more uses, but still needed to recharge.

[mymiraclebox]

Miracle Boxes - The Order Generation

These are the third and current iteration of the Miracle Boxes, stretching into the modern day, marked by the forming of the Order of the Guardians and their quest to seek out all Miraculouses. Because of this we see the most change in what Miraculouses are in each box, and unevenly distributed numbers across the Boxes.

The Miraculous War was started by the Guardian of the Successor Box, wanting to unite all Miracle Boxes under one organization. Some Guardians and their holders joined him, forming the Order of the Guardians, while others were declared as rogues and were forced into hiding.

Kwamis had little say in their fate during this time, as the Guardian of the Successor Box had claimed the earthly Soul Gem, using its magic to bind kwamis to any commands that was given to them. The only comfort the kwamis had was that Order of the Guardians were indeed mostly using their power for the protecting of the world, though at the price of the kwamis' freedom.

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The Forgotten Box - Hidden (Free) Panda Crow Unicorn

While there has been no change what was once known as the Secret Box, on earth this Miracle Box has truly earned the title of "forgotten", being mostly unknown to the world of the magic. The first Celestial Guardian felt that control of this Miracle Box was his birthright, and went out of his way to suppress knowledge of it when he could not find it, leading to only a handful of people knowing of this Box. However with the right questions anyone could learn of this box by forcing a kwami to reveal what they know.

The Mother Box - Tibet to Paris (Order) Ladybug Black Cat Dragon Cobra Rabbit Bee Butterfly Dog Fox Goat Horse Monkey Mouse Ox Peacock Pig Rooster Tiger Turtle

With the Guardian of the Successor Box being one who who formed the Order of the Guardians and started the Miraculous War, it was natural that this Miracle Box became the one with the most kwamis within it. Taking several kwamis originally from the box, he arranged them in the upper box meant to loosely model the concepts of Yin-Yan and Wuxing. For the lower box he took all the kwamis from the Zodiac Box, with them of course being modeled after the Chinese Zodiac. With this box hosting the only two Alphas the Order has, it is fiercely guarded.

The Wandering Box - Wandering the World (Free) Wolf Platypus Phoenix Kangaroo Octopus Sheep Snow Leopard

When the Island Box was first invited to join the Order, this Guardian did not realize what was she was walking into; and upon learning what the Order had done to the kwamis she attempted to back out, but the Order did not just let them walk away. Only managing to escape with three of the twelve Miraculouses she had come with, the Guardian managed to keep the two Alphas of her box. But that only put a bigger target on her back. Knowing that no place was now safe for her, this Guardian took on the habit of constantly being on the move, wandering about the world to protect her Miracle Box, along with taking in other kwamis that had been displaced from their home Miracle Box thanks to the Miraculous War.

The Reclaimed Box - Tibet to Jordan (Free) Pterosaur Tuatara Komodo Parrot Thylacine

The Guardian of the Zodiac Box was the first Guardian to join the Order, though all the kwamis they had once protected were removed from their box, instead their box became home to other Miraculouses they claimed from around the world. While the original Guardian was content in this new found order, their successor was not. Unhappy with the way the kwamis were being treated, this apprentice betrayed the Order, smuggling all the kwamis in the Miracle Box out. He was on the run for many years with the Order hunting him down, and while some Miraculouses were lost in his flight, he still managed to keep the box he reclaimed safe from the Order's hands, along with five remaining kwamis.

The Direction Box - Tibet to New York (Order) Thunderbird Bear Beaver Bison Cougar Coyote Deer Eagle Falcon Goose Locust Otter Owl Rattlesnake Raven Salmon Woodpecker

There were few kwamis actually in the Perennial Box when the Order came to claim the Miraculouses in the Americas, rather the kwamis were living all across the continent among many different people. The Order was able to overpower and take lone Miraculouses, but word spread and the remaining holders began to seek out their Guardians. The Guardian of this box had his last stand in what is now the Navajo Nation, but he knew it was a war they could not win. The remaining kwamis told the Order that they would come, only on the condition that their Guardian kept his title, which was honored. The Order modeled the upper box based their own interpretation of the Medicine Wheel they saw many groups using, and the lower box based on what they believed to be this continent's zodiac, though it actually had little basis in the actual cultures they warred with.

The Hidden Box - Mexico (Free) Firefly Raccoon Feathered Serpent Spider Axolotl Jaguar Llama

This was the Miracle Box initially targeted by the Order when they first came to the Americas, their first attack allowing them to claim half of the Miraculouses within the Box. The Guardian of this Box's escape was narrow, managing to get the Alphas within to safety and to stay in hiding with the Jaguar Miraculous. Becoming impossible to track, the Order turned their attention to the other Miracle Box on the continent. This Guardian also became the shelter for other kwamis on the continent fleeing from the war up north.

The Stranded Box - Brazil (Free) Dinosaur Snail Bat Binturong Blackbuck

Like the other Miracle Boxes in the western hemisphere, the Tropical Box was not spared from the Order's attack; resulting in the death of their Guardian and all Miraculouses within being seized save for the Snail Miraculous, this kwami managing to flee before the Miracle Box itself was claimed as well. This Miracle Box went without a human caretaker after the death of the last Guardian, rather the Snail kwami choosing to avoid humanity in favor of seeking out fellow kwamis. Their numbers are few, and they remain hidden together in the Amazon Rainforest, helping humans when they can, but waiting for a chance to fully return among humanity.

The Enduring Box - Zimbabwe (Free) Griffin Penguin Chameleon Giraffe Gorilla Isopod Okapi Secretarybird Squirrel Zebra

The Order of the Guardians took the Miraculous war to Africa, just like they had in the Americas, the battle for the Miraculouses being just as fierce. While many Miraculouses were lost from the two African Boxes, just as many were reclaimed as well. While their sister Box had been lost, the remaining holders of the Jungle Box managed to drive the Order of the Guardians out of Africa entirely; leaving this box as largest Miracle Box outside the Order's control. Though the free Miracle Boxes don't have an organized group, the Guardians of the Enduring Box are seen as the natural leaders among those who remain outside of the Order.

The Cycle Box - Tibet (Order) Grim Qilin Dragonfly Frog Camel Cheetah Crocodile Elephant Hippopotamus Hyena Jackal Ostrich Pangolin Rhinoceros Scarab Tortoise Vulture

With the Desert Box being the last Miracle Box the Order was able to claim, they were faced with the reality that they were unable to find any Alpha kwamis outside of the Ladybug and Black Cat. So instead Order of the Guardians placed the kwamis of Light and Darkness within this box, declaring them to be an Alpha Duo, a lie the magical world came to believe. The rest of the Miraculouses placed in this box were meant to be modeled after the natural cycles of the world; with the upper box hosting kwamis meant to symbolize day, night, and the three Egyptian seasons; with the lower box embracing the rest of that ancient calendar.

The Season Box - Tibet (Order) Kelpie Aurochs Lynx Ant Crab Dove Elk Gecko Hedgehog Ibex Lion Moth Mouflon Polar Bear Scorpion Seahorse Swan

With their Guardian willing joining the Order of the Guardians, the kwamis of the Constellation Box remained the same as before, their powers now being used against their will to attack other Miracle Boxes and to bring their fellow kwamis under the control of the growing Order of the Guardians. The twelve original kwamis lay in the lower box, based on the western zodiac. Meanwhile the upper box hosts kwamis taken from other boxes, who are meant to symbolize the passing of the seasons.

The Drifting Box - Tonga (Free) Coral Dolphin Jellyfish Narwhal Ray Seal Shark

Like their fellow kwamis around the world, the ones that were once in the Arctic Box fell victim to an attack by the Order with little warning. With all Miraculouses within stolen save for the Narwhal and the Seal, their Guardian cast the box into the sea in a last desperate attempt to protect them. The title 'drifting' was one truly earned, swept away into the sea for many years. Though washed ashore multiple times, the remaining kwamis did not find someone they found worthy until they encountered more of their kind in the tropics, living without a Miracle Box until they were found at sea.

The Frozen Box - Russia (Free) Yeti Red Panda Moose Quail Weasel Wolverine

In the early days of the Order of the Guardians the Mountain Box was numbered among them, their Guardian too wishing to create organization among those who were duty-bound to protect the Miraculouses. But when she saw that this Order was only creating war she knew that she could not stay. There was no epic betrayal or running away in the night, this Guardian simply went on a mission with the Miraculouses she was assigned in tow, and never came back.

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The Order Generation is the generation of Miracle Boxes that stands today in modern times. But with the Order of the Guardians having been destroyed by Feast nearly a century and a half ago those in the magical world are looking forward to a change. However there are some kwamis that think that this new beginning should be a world without humanity.

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The Mage Generation of Miracle Boxes

The True Generation of Miracle Boxes

...A new generation?

[pythagoras180]

How I would fix "Miraculous Ladybug"

I'm not talking about the character issues or anything. That's a whole nother topic. I'm talking about how I would fix the foundational logic and plot issues that deprive this show of any stakes.

The first problem is with Ladybug's powers, and how overpowered they are. Let's start with the Miraculous Ladybug restoration cure. Now, I understand why this is a thing. The concept of this show involves the city being attacked every day, so without some kind of repair magic the whole thing would be rubble in no time. The problem is the fact that it fixes literally everything, including death, and the logic of when it can be used doesn't track. Usually they just have to beat the supervillain first, but it also deletes all the villains' minions. Why don't they need to be defeated too? Why can't Ladybug just use this power immediately and have it "fix" the Akuma by purifying it? And in "Ephemeral", why did they need to repair a satellite before using the cure? There wasn't even a villain in that situation. So, the way I would fix it is by setting the rule that it can only be used strictly after a battle has been won (this is still a bit arbitrary, but I think it works anyway). And then, I'd say that it repairs all collateral damage caused in the battle, even injury, but death is absolute and unrepairable. It can't bring people back, so this raises the stakes in the fights.

Ladybug's second power is her Lucky Charm. Something that gives her an object that will always allow her to win no matter what. It can seemingly predict the future ("Optigami"). It at first seems like Marinette is needed to be Ladybug because she's clever, but it's later whoever is Ladybug, the Lucky Charm will never give them something too complicated for them to figure out. So it's literally a foolproof, completely reliable "instant win" button. This absolutely destroys the stakes. So, I would keep this the same at first, as I found it pretty inoffensive in season 1. But I'd later show that the Lucky Charm isn't infallible, and then there would be a reveal that the Lucky Charm actually doesn't have a mind of its own. The object is simply created from Marinette's subconscious, as she's already unconsciously coming up with a plan before summoning the Lucky Charm. So I'd keep the premise of a hero that summons seemingly random objects to beat the villains, but leave out it being an unbeatable instant win button.

Then there's the "Ultimate Power". The wish made by combining the Ladybug and Black Cat Miraculouses. Honestly, adding in a wish that can do anything was a terrible idea to begin with, so I won't even elaborate on it. How would I fix it? Well, I'll take a page out of the movie's playbook, and say that the power actually granted by combining them is the power to bring back the dead. In the movie, this turned out to not be real, but in this version of the show, it would be real. The consequence for using this power is that someone random will lose their life, so it's a power that can only be used selfishly.

Now for the Miracle Box. I'd simply cut out all the Chinese Zodiac Miraculouses. I'd say those are all a different Miracle Box entirely that was lost to time. Maybe I'll have a few of the Miraculouses pop up in some episodes as relics that were discovered, but I absolutely would not have the heroes have access to all of them at once.

As for the power of the Zodiac Miraculouses themselves, well, I can't say which I would or wouldn't include for sure, but I can say I absolutely would not include the Rooster for obvious reasons, the Goat, because it's basically identical to this version of the Ladybug, and I absolutely would not include time travel at all. It's the ultimate killer of stakes in this show.

There's one last thing to talk about, and it's the episode "Cat Blanc". A lot of people like this episode, and I see that it does have good elements. So, if this version of the show doesn't have time travel does that mean it can't exist? Well actually, no. I've come up with a way Cat Blanc can happen without time travel. Say it wasn't an alternate future, but rather an alternate universe. Let's give the Rabbit Miraculous the power to travel between universes, rather than time (this actually fits better with the Alice in Wonderland theme). Oh, and also it doesn't have the power to spy on anyone anywhere because no. So the events of "Cat Blanc" happen in this alternate universe. Bunnix only survives because she was outside Paris at the time, and she travels to the main universe to find a Ladybug to save her world, as she fears Cat Blanc might destroy the rest of it. She brings Ladybug to her universe, and the fight with Cat Blanc can go basically the same. The difference is that the flashbacks of how things got this way won't be told through a Bunnix framing device, but will rather simply be shown to the audience as regular flashbacks. So the events of the episode go basically the same (except Ladybug doesn't stop to talk with Hawk Moth, she attacks him when his back is turned but he manages to overpower her and akumatize Cat Noir anyway). Then, Ladybug deakumatizes Cat Blanc and casts her cure which restores Paris. But remember, she can't undo death. So yeah, the episode ends with Bunnix returning Ladybug to her universe, and Bunnix's world is left with Adrien and Alix as the last two Parisians alive. It's a tragic tale, one that will actually weigh on Ladybug going forward. So this story still occurs, we still get to see the story of (an) Adrien and Marinette who get together, but it ends it tragedy. We still get the powerful visuals of Paris destroyed. But there is no time travel to undo it and destroy the stakes.

So that's how I'd fix the foundational problems with this show and makes it so there's actually stakes. If there's any other ones I've missed, please tell me in the notes.

[coppereko]

i had a cool idea

what if instead of adding new heroes after season 2 its just the main 5 being the main characters and the zodiac miraculouses are just backup for them + they can unify it

this is for people who think the other heroes just arent necessary LOL

edit : plot wise, I feel like Bunnix and Viperion were pretty neccessary so I guess you're free to add them probs

[zoe-oneesama]

I know it's not really the right chapter for me to be asking this but:

I get you keeping a third of the secondary heroes since their powers really click with the personalities, but what made you decide to keep Max as the horse and change everybody else? I feel like out of the ones you kept he's the one that fits the least-

To start, I assigned Max the Horse Miraculous back before I was planning on having all the Miraculouses in the field. At that point, the only "extras" beyond the main 5 I was going to have were Luka/Viperion, Kagami/Ryuko, and Max/Pegasus.

This three way kwami swap wouldn't really work, because the Snake was pivotal in defeating Desperada, which as an akuma after Jagged Stone and guitarists, it made the most sense for the center character to be Luka. While other Miraculouses could've finished off Ikari Gozen, I knew it had to be Kagami's debut episode, and I knew Max would be the hero in "Robostus" to deal with Markov. While Kagami probably could've used the horse (since Marigold had Venom to stop Ikari Gozen), I had a set way for Max to deal with Markov as Pegasus, so everything just slid into the three keeping their Miraculouses.

Maybe I could've thought a little longer to make it work, but at the time, the idea of Kagami and Max having a kwami swap never even crossed my mind, and if it did, I probably would've dismissed it because then it would've left Luka as the only one not to swap (besides Adrien). Personally, I would've felt off balanced. I especially didn't even consider swapping out the Snake, Dragon, or Horse for one of the zodiacs that, at the time, I had no intention of using. Idk why but it's like a wall was there preventing me from even thinking in that direction.

By the time I decided to add the rest of the zodiac, I had JUST FINISHED "ROBOSTUS". So kinda too little too late lol.

I'm not sure what Miraculous I'd give him if I had absolute free range. Maybe the snake, ignoring how essential it was in "Desperada". "StarTrain" did try to imply that the user of the Horse Miraculous needed a good grasp on geography, which is "why" it's suited for someone smart like Max:

But then it also implied that Max messed it up lol.

I think they kinda dropped that idea once other people started using it (like, how would Monarch even know the exact longitude and latitude of his akuma victims to use Voyage to teleport his akumas?).

I do kinda want to draw the Kept Their Canon Miraculous Club kids in each other's Miraculouses though. That is a six way kwami swap (seven if I add in poor Alix).

[dotblogg]

Miraculous Season 6 Theories Masterpost

This post exists to post any possibilities or theories for Season 6. Future theories will be added later on.

· There is a slight time jump between the beginning of the new school/end of summer during the S5 season finale, and S6 season premiere/beginning. This would explain why the characters are getting redesigns.

· Marinette never told either Alya or Chat Noir that Gabriel was Hawkmoth. This would explain why Ladybug told the public he died as a hero. She would likely like to keep peddling that truth further.

· Ladybug will confront Bunnyx about how much she knows about the Wish, or about how much the Wish affected the timeline.

· Chloe joins Iris again when she returns to Paris.

· Kagami is a Sentimonster.

· Kagami and Adrien were literally made for each other. They were created to be together.

· The Sentimonsters take after their maternal figures.

· Iris returns to the New School, because she might've been searching for a way to get to the Chinese Zodiac miraculouses. Instead of just moving on to a new school.

· Iris is in the foster scare system, and the three women she had were her adoptive mothers who didn't know about each other.

· Iris collected all of Gabriel's information out of revenge for abandoning, and underestimating her.

· Iris wants the role of Ladybug. She wants to be a pseudo guardian, that gives out and uses miraculouses for evil. This would explain why the miraculous team is so big now, because they need more allies.

· Iris/Cerise uses the "Gabriel is Hawkmoth" info to blackmail the Agreste/Graham de Vanily family.

· Iris/Cerise is a more chaotic villain than Hawkmoth was. She will use her powers in and out of costume to manipulate others to help her.

· Iris is underestimated by both Gabriel, and Marinette. Iris in both Chameleon, and Confrontation details that a war is going to happen.

· One of the new miraculous holders will betray Ladybug, and the team, to join or help Iris.

· Felix, or Nathalie tells Adrien everything.

· Adrien finds out about his dad before the public does.

· The fire that burnt Gabriel's personal items in Revelations will be addressed.

· Tomoe used to be an actress that rivaled Emilie. Gabriel tried to sabotage her career. Tomoe mentions in Perfection that Gabriel tried to make her dreams disappear.

[redtippedfox]

All characters in this AU are aged up and adults

Well we can all guess who won the Poll! Here’s the new version of Celine Titania! I cleaned her up a bit and now she’s all ready to go! Now Celine Titania looks immobile and vulnerable but she isn’t, in fact she has more knives and sharp objects to stab you with than Titania does.

Also she has sharp long nails so be very careful when trying to attack, she can fight back. Just like Titania’s and Bleu Celines dress her bottom part can be torn off for combat. She can strangle you with her see through shawl and her shoes hurt when kicked with. She always has her fan covering her mouth as she speaks to her senticreatures or her champions, it also hides the mouth that knows all secrets of the future.

Also her roses are definitely a symbolism.

I’m gonna be honest, this was a small doodle that turned into something really pretty, I was a bit upset that Celine Titania’s original design had no Chinese aspect to it because I could never figure out how to design something that added both parts of both Miraculouses. But I took OG Celine Titania’s colors and mixed it with this doodle. I really like it and am FINALLY satisfied with it.

Not all Miraculous designs are going to be Chinese themed unless they are unified with the peacock and butterfly and we will definitely be seeing more main seven unifications since I’ve decided that those should just be the main Miraculouses Marinette uses instead of using the Chinese zodiac ones(Because we still have the power ups and that just is too much designing man). Don’t worry the rabbit, mouse, dragon, and snake will be seen and used but only those ones.

Anyway I’m home for Christmas break so chapter 4 will be updated soon!