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ballgagboy · 8 months ago
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harpo marx would survive a saw trap. any trap. i dont even think hed realize he was in it he would just have fun. itd be enrichment to him
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pervertcreep · 9 months ago
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hello!! you and captainspaulding's marx bro posting has caught my attention!! where should i start if i want to watch their stuff? thanks in advance ^_^
honestly they have a lotta movies, and it doesn't really matter where you start!
but I'll list the films in order and give free to watch links for them. put together with the help of @captainspaulding
Not including any solo or cameo endeavors - just the core Marx brothers films The Cocoanuts (1929) - internet archive, no subs Animal Crackers (1930) - youtube, auto gen subs Monkey Business (1931) - internet archive, no subs Horse Feathers (1932) - internet archive, no subs Duck Soup (1933) - internet archive, no subs A Night at the Opera (1935) - tubi, with subs A Day at the Races (1937) - tubi, with subs Room Service (1938) - youtube, auto gen subs At the Circus (1939) - youtube, auto gen subs Go West (1940) - link* The Big Store (1941) - link* A Night in Casablanca (1946) - on tubi with no subs or on youtube with subs Love Happy (1949) - youtube, with auto gen subs *Go West (1940) and *The Big Store (1941) we haven't been able to find anywhere free online yet, but they are available on amazon prime or apple tv for only a few bucks, that's how we watch them. If we do find a link we'll update this list.
My personal favorites are A Night in Casablanca, Love Happy, Duck Soup, A Night at the Opera and Horse Feathers! I’m gonna cut my faves list short here before going on to list At the Circus, and Go West, and Monkey Business
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hotvintagepoll · 20 days ago
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Chico Marx (Duck Soup, Animal Crackers, The Big Store)— A true pinnacle of scrungly guy, both on and off screen. On screen in movies with his brothers, he is frequently in scenes with his brother Groucho negotiating and sparring in wordplay, and when he is in scenes with mute brother Harpo he is translating for a third party. Never the love interest in the movies like Zeppo sometimes is, not even as a joke the way Groucho is or chasing girls the way Harpo does, Chico is just the guy that's kind of around and that's partially what makes him so scrungly is that he stands out from his brothers. By himself he is a weird little man that plays the piano and gambles. He has a unique way of playing piano that was largely self taught, his signature move is making his hand into a gun shape and "shooting" the keys.
Lon Chaney Sr. (The Phantom of the Opera)—ray bradbury worshipped this guy and I can see why. a horror icon known as "the man of a thousand faces," he was a master of using makeup and prosthetics to conjure characters who look nothing like each other. his erik is TRULY fucked up [photos under the cut], to circle back to bradbury, i think he says it best: "He somehow got into the shadows inside our bodies; he was able to nail down some of our secret fears and put them on-screen. The history of Lon Chaney is the history of unrequited loves. He brings that part of you out into the open, because you fear that you are not loved, you fear that you never will be loved, you fear there is some part of you that's grotesque, that the world will turn away from." Some of his work has not aged well, but much of it is still found in the way we depict horror, the strange, and the uncanny in cinema.
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[additional submitted propaganda + scrungly videos under the cut]
Chico Marx:
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Lon Chaney Sr.:
Oh my God. Let me just focus on Erik for a sec (like i don't do that every day of my life). Pug nose, crooked tooth little mess man. He put on his big cunty feathered hat for the ball but underneath it he's got that stupid, stupid hair. The evening suit that kinda doesn't fit. In what way is Lon Chaney--in this role specifically-- not the ultimate scrungo? Granted, they edited out his very scrungliest of moments (WE WERE ROBBED) but WE HAVE THE STILLS!!!
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This man played depressed outsiders, sometimes depressed clowns, the most pathetic losers ever (affectionately) and his faces and gestures always were so funny!
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lethisfleshnotbetorn · 7 days ago
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Buffy the Vampire Slayer Whumplist
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I’ll be adding on to this as I think of them (and also when I finish season 7) comment if I’ve missed any
Xander Harris
1x02- The Harvest
Unconscious, dragged, manhandled
1x03- Teacher’s Pet
Drugged, kidnapped, caged, chained
1x06- The Pack
Possessed, caged
1x08- I, Robot…You, Jane
Manhandled
1x11- Out of Mind, Out of Sight
Locked in a room, poisonous gas, getting weaker
2x01- When She Was Bad
Knocked out, bloody nose
2x03- School Hard
Put in headlock
2x04- Inca Mummy Girl
Attacked, life force nearly sucked out?
2x06- Halloween
Manhandled
2x12- Bad Eggs
Knocked out, locked in closet
2x16- Bewitched, Bothered, and Bewildered
Attacked, chased (pretty much the whole episode)
2x21- Becoming pt 1
Arm broken, knocked out
2x22- Becoming pt 2
Arm in cast
3x08- Lover’s Walk
Headlock, knocked out, kidnapped, bleeding
3x13- The Zeppo
Manhandled, threatened at knifepoint
3x15- Consequences
Attempted SA, strangled
3x17- Enemies
Knocked out
3x20- The Prom
Attacked by a demon
4x02- Living Conditions
Knocked out
4x08- Pangs
Sick with syphilis
4x09- Something Blue
Attacked by demons
4x18- Where the Wild Things Are
Drowning
4x22- Restless
Tormented by dreams
5x01- Buffy vs Dracula
Hypnotized
5x03- The Replacement
Hit with magic
5x11- Triangle
Manhandled, broken arm, bloody
5x16- The Body
Angst, injured hand
5x18- Intervention
Knocked out
5x20- Spiral
Car sick
6x01/02- Bargaining
Attacked, put in headlock
6x03- After Life
Possessed
6x14- Older and Far Away
Attacked, injured
6x16- Hell’s Bells
Angst
6x17- Normal Again
Attacked, knocked out, tied up
6x19- Seeing Red
Shot at, angst
6x20- Villains
Angst, traumatized, frozen with magic
6x21- Two to Go
Held at swordpoint
6x22- Grave
Knocked out, maimed with magic, bleeding, angst
7x01- Lessons
Attacked by ghost
7x05- Selfless
Knocked out, held back
7x08- Sleeper
Knocked out
7x09- Never Leave Me
Attacked, hit over the head
7x14- First Date
Tied up, stabbed, bleeding
7x15- Get It Done
Thrown into a table
7x18- Dirty Girls
Eye gouged out, hospitalized
Rupert Giles
1x03- Witch
Knocked out
1x05- Never Kill a Boy on the First Date
Attacked by vampires
1x06- The Pack
Knocked out
1x09- The Puppet Show
Strapped down, almost decapitated
1x11- Out if Mind, Out of Sight
Locked in room, losing oxygen
1x12- Prophecy Girl
Knocked out
2x01- When She Was Bad
Kidnapped, hung upside down
2x17- Passion
Angst over Jenny’s death, crying
2x21- Becoming pt. 1
Knocked out, kidnapped
2x22- Becoming pt. 2
Tied up, tortured
3x04- Beauty and the Beasts
Tranquilized
3x07- Revelations
Hit over head, knocked out, head trauma, hospitalization
3x09- The Wish
Locked in cage, forced to watch Cordelia murdered (alternate reality)
3x11- Gingerbread
Chloroformed
4x09- Something Blue
Goes blind (temporary)
4x12- A New Man
Turns into a monster and attacked by Buffy
4x22- Restless
Tormented by visions
5x16- The Body
Angst over Joyce’s death
5x20- Spiral
Injured, near death
5x21- The Weight of the World
Hospitalized
6x22- Grave
Attacked, beaten up, close to death
Angel
2x09- What’s My Line pt. 1
Caged, almost killed by sunlight
2x10- What’s My Line pt. 2
Kidnapped, tied up, gagged, burned with holy water, tortured
2x22- Becoming pt. 2
Stabbed, killed, sent to hell
3x04- Beauty and the Beasts
Feral, chained
3x09- The Wish
Held prisoner, chained, tortured
3x10- Amends
Tormented by visions, suicidal
3x15- Consequences
Attacked, caught in net
3x21/22- Graduation Day
Impaled with arrow, poisoned, angst
Spike
2x10- What’s My Line pt. 2
Injured (in wheelchair for next several episodes)
4x07- The Initiative
Imprisoned
4x08- Pangs
Tied up, shot with arrows
4x09- Something Blue
Chained, tied up
4x10- Hush
Tied up
5x18- Intervention
Kidnapped, gagged, tied up, tortured
5x22- The Gift
Angst over Buffy’s death
7x01- Lessons
Tormented and crazy (for the next several episodes)
7x08- Sleeper
Mind control, angst
7x09- Never Leave Me
Tied up, chained, mind control, kidnapped, cut, bleeding
7x10- Bring On the Night
Tortured, water boarding, beaten
7x11- Showtime
Chained
7x13- The Killer In Me
In massive pain, near death
7x15- Get It Done
Attacked, thrown through the ceiling
7x17- Lies My Parents told Me
Angst, beat up, burned, chained
Daniel ‘Oz’ Osborne
2x10- What’s My Line pt. 2
Shot in the arm
2x15- Phases
Transforms into a werefolf
3x04- Beauty and the Beasts
Attacked, thrown around
3x09- The Wish
Imprisoned, caged
3x16- Dopplegangland
Held hostage at the Bronze, held back, thrown by vampire
4x06- Wild at Heart
Angst
4x19- New Moon Rising
Captured by initiative, experimented on
Riley Finn
4x14- Goodbye, Iowa
Withdrawals
4x16- Who Are You?
Has sex with Faith in Buffy’s body (questionable consent)
4x19- New Moon Rising
Taken prisoner by the initiative, locked up
4x21- Primeval
Mind controlled by Adam, forced to watch
5x04- Out of my Mind
Sick, weak, going crazy
Andrew Wells
6x13- Dead Things
Angst over being murder accomplice
6x19- Seeing Red
Knocked out, arrested
6x21- Two to Go
Attacked, afraid
7x09- Never Leave Me
Tied up, slapped, bitten by vampire, attacked
7x10- Bring on the Night
Tied up, gagged with duct tape
7x11- Showtime
Tied up
7x16- Storyteller
Angst over killing friend
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coraniaid · 1 year ago
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I do often find Xander incredibly frustrating – especially in the high school seasons which I’m rewatching now – but I don’t particularly think the issue is that Xander is a “Whedon self insert” (whatever that means).  In fact, Xander is often at his worst in episodes written by people other than Joss Whedon, whether that’s Teacher’s Pet or The Pack or Bewitched, Bothered & Bewildered or Dead Man’s Party.  If the self-insert theory were true, wouldn’t that be the exact opposite? Or is the problem that Xander is a Marti Noxon self-insert too?
No, I think the problem is a lot simpler than that: I just don’t think the writers are very good at writing sympathetic teenage boys (which is why Oz is painfully underwritten and why Xander is … well).  And in particular I think that the writers really struggle to work out who Xander is (beyond being the token boy with no magical powers or super-strength) after Season 1.  Other than his unrequited attraction to Buffy, what does he want?  What motivates him?  I genuinely don’t think the writers have a consistent answer to this question yet, and although The Zeppo (which I’ve not quite gotten to on my current rewatch) will start to address this, I think they won’t really have one until Season 4 at the earliest.  Yes, there are fragments here and there that you can build on if you want – the hints that imply his parents are abusive, a suggestion that he looks up to Giles almost as much as Giles look down on him, the occasional moment you can claim as evidence that Xander might be attracted to men –  but if you do start building on those fragments you’re ultimately engaged in fanfiction as much as you are analysis of the actually-existing material.  The writers themselves hadn’t put in the work to make those pieces coalesce into something cohesive at this point in the show’s history (and some of those hints will never be developed further).
And the other problem, which isn't quite unique to Xander but probably affects him more than anybody else, is that the show is still mostly very episodic in these three seasons.   So – even when we’re clearly not supposed to approve of Xander’s actions – the show never really allows them to have any long-term negative consequences for him. (Bewitched, Bothered and Bewildered might have Giles rage at Xander for trying to cast a love spell on Cordelia for a few minutes, but it still ends with Buffy cheerfully thanking him for not sexually assaulting her – despite his admission that “for a minute it was touch and go” –  and with the popular girl he was actively trying to take “revenge” on at the start of the episode deciding she’s so touched by the romanticism of this act that she’d rather be with him than worry about the good opinion of any of her friends.  And the events of the episode are never mentioned again.) So it’s very easy to get the impression that the writers don’t particularly think Xander’s doing anything wrong after all, even when I don’t think that’s the case.
Ultimately, I think you just have to accept that Buffy and Xander are close friends and that this friendship means a lot to both of them for the show to work, in much the same way you have to accept a lot of the show’s rather silly worldbuilding.  Which … is fine, really.  If I can accept a magical human-detecting chip in somebody’s head or Sunnydale’s ever-changing geography or the nonchalant way everyone in school reacts to their fellow students being violently killed on a weekly basis or any of the nonsense the show says about the Watcher’s Council I can, I suppose, accept a teenage girl with poor social skills and a reputation that makes her something of a social pariah becoming friends with a teenage boy who is mostly well-meaning but often kind of sucks.  This aspect of the high school seasons is perhaps a bit like the Season 6 issue of Willow and Tara living rent free at Buffy’s house while telling her she has money problems and has to get a job: in order to appreciate the show the way you’re meant to, you just have to handwave away a lot of what the writers actually show happening. 
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chrispypapas · 3 months ago
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Chris, I need to know what you think would happen in a Xander spin-off. Because, unless I am remembering wrong, Xander was one hell of a tool.
im kissing you on the lips for asking me about btvs
season 3 ep 13 'the zeppo' is a Xander POV episode of btvs and tbh that's one of my favorite episodes of btvs. its the gang leaving Xander out of the apocalypse of the week due to him being "too weak", just for Xander to get involved in his own dangerous adventure where a group of zombies try to get him to join their gang. i think a Xander series would have been better than the angel series bc the Angel series did not know what its purpose was. its such a bad show. the only saving grace of that show is Cordelia is there, and when she leaves the show it becomes complete trash. Cordelia needed to be there to balance out the stupid shit Angel is doing. If you like the Angel series I'm so incredibly happy for you and my opinion on it should not diminish how you feel about it. I'm just some guy lol i think a POV from the 'normie' of the group would have been more interesting in terms of story telling. You would be able to put yourself in Xander's shoes and it could have been following the aftermath of season 7 of btvs; where everyone who could ever be the slayer was awakened thanks to willow unlocking everyone's potential. btvs continued its story through the comics after the show ended and the plot of the comics was Buffy running a slayer organization where ander worked as support for slayers out on missions (ala Kazuhira Miller in MGS peacewalker and MGSV). now i enter my unhinged rambling of Xander's character
Alexander LaVelle "Xander" Harris has many, as you put it, "one hell of a tool" moments in the show that I'm going to get into. A lot of them I can see as "this is a teenage boy saying stupid teenage boy shit" but a lot of it is also unwarranted and inherently selfish. Early series "tool" moments are
Xander's attitude towards Buffy for not returning his feelings and his haterid of Buffy having feelings for Angel (Season 1)
Xander blaming Buffy for Ms Calendar being killed by Angel (Season 2)
Xander exploding at Buffy for leaving Sunnydale after Joyce (Buffys mom) told her she better never return to their house after Buffy told her mom that shes the slayer (Season 3)
Xander being upset with Willow and Buffy for going to college (Season 4)
Xander yelling at Buffy for letting Riley (a good guy in his own words) "get away" when Riley gives Buffy an ultimatum (Season 5)
when Xander says hes disgusted by Buffy and can't even look at her after finding out she's been sleeping with Spike (Season 6)
and finally when Xander thought Buffy was being a terrible leader in season 7 bc she had to be a commander of an army of potential slayers (Season 7)
However on the flip side, Xander has multiple moments of being incredibly loyal and willing to do anything in his power for his friends, and that he really is the heart of the group reminding everyone of their humanity. Xander, much like the rest of the Buffy cast, is a complex character who has good and bad qualities and I think it's important to take the good with the bad. I don't agree with most things he says/does, but I also recognize that inherently he is a good person. Wanting the best for those around him even if his perception of what "the best" for his friends isn't necessarily what they "need".
BTVS is a hard series to defend. A lot of the actions of the characters are uncomfortable due to the creator of the IP, but when you create a piece of media those characters start to also belong to the fans. A lot of what Joss Whedon wrote for the characters at times felt incredibly OOC and just "we're going to torture the afab characters bc I hate women" kind of writing, but it's important to remember that there were other writers on the show and how actors wanted to portray their characters too.
That being said, I like Xander, and I like a lot of what others have done to explore his character bc im gay and like to analyze media. I think a spin off buddy cop Xander and Spike show would have been leagues better than Angel. One of the spin off Buffy comics I really like have Xander and Spike being friends from the beginning and exploring more of what their dynamic could be. I think it's an interesting alternative universe from Buffy canon and its work checking out <3
anyway ty for reading i hope ur having a good day xoxo
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purpleplaid17 · 10 months ago
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Jess Watches // Mon 11 Mar // Day 168 & Tues 12 Mar // Day 169 Synopses & Favourite Scenes & Poll
Severance (rw with mum) 1x09 The We We Are (s1 Finale)
The team discovers troubling revelations.
Dylan - How did he not cramp up holding those switches for so long? All those fingertraps trained him well. He deserves all the kinky waffle parties he desires.
Irving - From a military family and a whistleblower. What made him start investigating Lumon? and how does his Outie know Burt?
Helly - The jawdropping revelation that she'a an Eagan. The happy office photos were of manipulated situations but Helena seemed genuinely excited to put her faith in her family's work. She is a fascinating contradiction.
Mark - She's alive!!! The tension that built around him piecing together his Outie's life while trying to get a moment alone to talk to his sister still had me on the edge of my seat.
The rewatch has got me even more hyped for s2. Anyone have any theories about it? I'd love to hear them.
Loudermilk (with mum) 1x03 You're Only as Sick as Your Secrets
Loudermilk goes to great lengths to get Claire to open up about her deep-seated issues, with mixed results. Mugsy reaches out to his estranged daughter and finds that some relationships are harder to fix than others.
Mugsy being an absolute idiot parent. I'm glad everyone called out his shitty excuses for abandoning his 9 children (counting the twins ofc). Also, I'm free for frisbee if anyone wants a game?
Six Nations: Full Contact Ep 5 La Défense
Following a rocky start, everything depends on the next game for last years champions, France. Will they find their form or is the title gone for good?
I do not remember France beating England so emphatically. I thought I watched it last year but maybe not this one for some reason.
Buffy the Vampire Slayer (rw) 3x13 The Zeppo
Xander experiences an adventure of his own when he encounters a group of reanimated corpses. Meanwhile, Buffy and her friends battle the forces of evil when the Hellmouth reopens.
I used to like Xander. He was a lovable goof. But now rewatching, it is very clear he was a JW self-insert. And I think that's the reason why his 'humour' these first 3 seasons just hasn't landed for me like it used to. So I very much enjoyed Cordelia's takedown "There was no part of that that wasn't fun."
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sunnydaleherald · 1 year ago
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The Sunnydale Herald Newsletter, Tuesday, November 14, Part II
[Fandom Discussions]
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the angst and yearning in the fuffy rooftop scene in ats sanctuary is UNMATCHED by antlerslayer
I love Willow as a character because of what she represents and teaches about the human condition by
steven s deknight says they got cautioned by the wb censors about this shot of angel pulling a knife by stellernorth
Angel Season 4 by all-seeing-ifer
James absolutely ATE with this proposal. by raisedbythetv89
It’s so important and profound and precious that Spike is present when Buffy tells her mom she’s a vampire slayer. by girl4music., winterlovesong1
but why did they give us spike w the little curl to his hair by alewifed
i feel genuinely surprised about is this idea that ppl have where spike falls into the dark, brooding, bad guy turned good trope. by alewifed
I think what gets me most is the “I am a demon” and “there’s a demon inside me” contradiction. by girl4music
Slayer-induced ADHD is very firmly part of my head canon by hersterical
I actually don’t think the Enjoining Spell is a plot hole. by austinoson
Season 1 of Buffy the Vampire Slayer is all about Buffy figuring out how to not be Cordelia by coraniaid
Willow does a lot of terrible things in Season 6 but I will always refuse to accept that bringing Buffy back to life was one of them. by coraniaid
the thing that truly does kill me about angel season 4 is that the opening… five ish episodes do seem to be setting up something that could be honestly great! by all-seeing-ifer
Xander spends the first half of The Zeppo trying – largely at Cordelia’s prompting – to work out how to be cool. by coraniaid
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Was "Buffy vs Dracula" a distraction for the Scoobies and Joyce so they can create Dawn? by Joshua
Which group is better at putting aside their personal drama and come together for the greater good? by Joshua
How well do Tara's accusations stand up at the time they're made? by garfan
should i watch angel? by Dogs of Winter
Fred/Gunn vs. Fred/Wesley by Bop
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Queer vampires? by bonniedelarge
How would the story have been different if willow and Xander would have been/stayed a couple by
So much invisibility! by DifficultRice7075
Say something nice about season 7. by george123890yang
Who had the best Character development throughout both shows? by Virtual_Row_8445
Do you remember the first time you watched "The Body"? by jdpm1991
Willow could have killed Dawn by DifficultRice7075
First time watching Angel Season 4 by Sourpatchmoms
Am I the only one who likes Buffy season 7 and Angel season 4 by Parking-Ad-1743
SPOILER-FREE discussion on SLAYERS by johnnyorac
What I would change about season 6 by BrianTheReckless
Buffy’s Rocket launcher by DifficultRice7075
What's Your Fave AU ideas? by Girlthatbreathes
The Dawn episodes by CornflakeGrl72
Poetic excerpt from a shooting script by chumloadio
i know most people are tired of this, but seriously does someone prefer the bigfoot over the first one? by WhiteJaski
Are you surprised JM used "glee"? What what's one word you would use to describe Spike? by sushibananawater
Blood Sausage, Bangers and Mash? by Sea-Medicine-411
The Slayer Concept was Flawed From the Beginning. by loki2002
The Chip by Virtual_Row_8445
Opening Credits by johnnyorac
Buffy Tarot Hardcover Edition? by ghavrielle
What’s your opinion about the show Angel? by kindaweird0
Is Fred the most tragic character in Buffyverse? by Stegosaurus100
When SMG made my whole life as a little girl by ladybug5551111
Buffy similarities with TVD by lunarborealis
Mistreating Buffy by Mika95
Was Jasmine really a threat to humanity? by NoPoet406
Subtle thing about the room change by Itssixinthemorning
How mature or immature would you say Spike's view of love is? or was? by Foreverred97
Ugh by Mika95
What episode? by Mika95
what was your least favourite hairstyle of a character in the show by duvet-cover
What are the no-no's of magic in the Buffyverse? by SafiraAshai
Does anyone else think that the slayer council is really bad at their job? by george123890yang
Faith by Virtual_Row_8445
Fanfic request by Extra_Age2505
The Wish: a paradox by Vixen22213
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wolfstrong · 2 years ago
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What's your fav Xander episode so far? Do you think Xander and Cordi could have worked out as a couple? Do you think Xander could have become a watcher if Giles had actually taken him under his wing? What would that have been like? Uuh... Fav Xander haircut?
Also there IS some good Xander content in season 7, even if it is overall a big ol' mess of a season
we need more Xander episodes... but anyway, the Zeppo of course yeah yeah yeah, but I also really liked Hell's Bells honestly.
No I don't think Cordy and Xander could have ever really worked, but that was kinda the beauty of their relationship. It was bad and doomed but I think they both needed it in that moment. I also wich it would have lasted a little longer, and I don't like the way it ended. I kinda wish there would have been a mutual agreement that things weren't working which ended in them being close friends. (and ultimately, I WISH CORDELIA NEVER LEFT THE SHOW.)
yep, I think Xander could have been a great watcher :( I mean, maybe not so much in the be studios and read lots of books department, but he's very loyal and always there to look out for people, which are very important watcher traits. Also, I think if Xander puts his mind to something he can do it, so eventually he would be good at the whole demonology thing. It's pretty sad they didn't take his character in this direction, I think it would have been awesome and it would have given him more purpose.
Actually Xander haircuts are really important to me. SEASON ONE hair is literally peak. I hated when he cut it in season 2 and I don't forgive him for that. when it was a bit longer in the front in season 3 I thought that was alright. Season 4 was very cute, my second favorite hair length. season 5 was actually a bit too shaggy, but I still prefer it over season 2 short hair. season 6 is too short again. its okay he's like my ugly thing
okay thank you for all these wonderful asks I love it I love it I love it
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zalrb · 2 years ago
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So sorry if you have already answered this but what are your thoughts on the hogwarts house sorting in harry potter canon?
and how how would you sort the characters in the following tv shows into hogwarts houses?
- teen wolf
- buffy the vampire diaries
- euphoria
lmao sorry but i'm not doing euphoria.
i would say buffy and angel are gryffindor
giles and oz are ravenclaw
willow is a hufflepuff (if we were doing cross houses she'd be a hufflepuff/ravenclaw)
spike and cordelia are slytherin (my house!) even though the fandom would probably put spike in gryffindor
xander is a squib (zeppo!)
for teen wolf, uh ....
scott is a hufflepuff
stiles ... i kind of want to put him in slytherin but i think he could also be a ravenclaw and a case could be made for gryffindor, idk, he could be any of them although i don't think he's a hufflepuff
malia is a slytherin
lydia ... idk she can be ravenclaw i guess
kira is a gryffindor
allison ... all i see is her weeping, i have no idea.
i don't care enough about derek to think about what he'd be.
in terms of what i think about the sorting, i don't think i really have any thoughts about that except that i thought slytherin could be more nuanced than just all the bad ones end up in slytherin and they're just naturally prone to moral corruption/evil? lmao, but i always thought the student life at hogwarts could be more nuanced where instead of it being like all the bigots are in slytherin, there could be a more involved approach to wizarding prejudice found in other houses by other students and how fun it would be to get into the emotional and psychological effects a place like hogwarts would have on muggle-borns etc.
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renlyslittlerose · 2 years ago
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As someone who rewatches BtVS every few months or so and was thrilled to discover you enjoy the show too, I would love to know your fave episodes.
Also, super excited for your vampire obikin fic!!
Oh man, the noise I made when I saw this ask. Someone actually asking me to talk about my hyperfixation? Without me having to direct them towards it? My lucky day, indeed! I'm tempted to say every episode is my favourite (except for maybe 'Where the Wild Things Are'), but I will limit myself to five!
Fool for Love - Really enjoy the ride we go through in terms of Spike's character arc throughout the series, and I thought this episode really did him, his relationships, and his background a lot of justice. The scene where he's explaining the 'lesson' to Buffy in the alleyway, spliced with his fight with Nicky in the subway, is absolute perfection. And I really thought they did a great job mixing the flashbacks on Buffy with the sister episode on Angel.
Becoming Part 1/2 - Not the biggest Angel fan when he's on Buffy (it took his own show for me to warm to him), but his flashbacks did a lot to inform us of who he was, whereas before we didn't get a lot of that? Plus, Buffy determined to save the world despite knowing that it'll destroy hers, is both heartbreaking and inspiring. And the part where Angelus has Buffy cornered and is about to take the final blow, when Buffy catches the blade and shows us why she's the slayer??? Gets me every. damn. time.
The Zeppo - I know, I know, Xander is... a piece of work, to put it lightly. But the whimsy, the self-effacing humour, the genuine character growth that Xander goes through (and then seemingly loses come season six but whatever), all makes it really stand out to me.
I Only Have Eyes for You - LISTEN, again, it's not a ground-breaking episode, but I fucking love it. Flashbacks to the 1950s? A ghost story??? Placing the traditionally 'masculine' male character in the role of a vulnerable, scared woman??? THE FLAMINGO'S 'I ONLY HAVE EYES FOR YOU' PLAYING IN THE BACKGROUND???? Not to mention the development of Buffy and her grief and guilt is really beautifully done.
The Gift. What more is there to say? And while I enjoyed season 6 and, to a lesser extent season 7, I really do think this would have been the perfect finale for the show. "Be brave. Live." <- this has gotten me through a lot of tough spots, for sure.
But I honestly adore almost every episode. Just as you do, I re-watch Buffy an obsessive amount of times - it's my comfort show! What are your favourites, anon?
And you didn't ask this but here is my quick top five list for Angel: 'Are You Now Or Have You Ever Been' , 'Five by Five', 'Lullaby', 'A Hole in the World', 'Not Fade Away' ✨ (and I'm so glad you're excited for the fic! Almost done the first draft, then it's time to comb through it all and hope it makes sense. And for those who don't watch Buffy, don't worry, the story should still make sense - it's mostly me mashing together Star Wars lore with basic Buffy stuff and hoping it works?)
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girl4music · 2 months ago
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That’s it! Excellent deduction.
Gender and growing up are big themes for these two.
People watch Xander and wonder why he is like he is. I mean beyond the whole abusive parental aspect, it really wasn’t common back then for a male to be ‘The Zeppo’ and they’re playing off that anxiety with him.
So people nowadays watch it and ask “why is he complaining for no reason?” or something like that.
Whereas I like the character for that reason. For his anxieties and struggles and complexities beyond being the typical “nice guy”. I think it makes him more interesting as a character and I don’t think it’s what ruins him at all. He is more dynamic because he has faults and flaws and he isn’t the typical nice guy because he actually is able to address them - and for the most part - on his own. People don’t really look at it that way. Those moments where he is being obnoxious and taking up more space than he really should is him trying to fix himself - whatever it is that is going on with him. Trying to be better. Most people do not want to acknowledge that. They just brand him a “Whedon-insert” and then ignore him as if every main character isn’t an insert for Whedon somewhere in this show and the entire thing is not wrapped around his misogyny. No, they seem to single him out just because he is a male main character that’s not already mature and hasn’t already gone through trials and tribulations.
I find it a gross oversight of some really well-written characterization for a male character in a female-led show. Which is something you don’t often see at all.
The fact he is just there doing nothing but struggling with that very thing I think is what makes him a quality character who has something to speak up on if not to act on. That’s what most viewers don’t like about him.
But I personally think it’s what makes him interesting. If they didn’t have him address any of this in his arc - then I’d be the same as everyone else seems to be with him.
To put it bluntly - if it was a choice between Joxer or Xander… I’d choose Xander every single god damn time. I’d choose a male character with a story rather than just one committed to a comic relief gag and no story at all. Yes, granted they don’t do very well with illustrating his story for a main character, but the point is that he has one that you can do a lot with in fanfic if not the show.
Useless characters can be interesting if they take the time to address exactly why it is that they are useless and how that affects and impacts the characterization.
Xander does a lot of growing up and the remarkable thing is that he does it mostly on his own - which is something to commend considering his upbringing and that he didn’t really have a positive male role model but he had plenty of female ones. Enough to understand that him being feminine-coded is absolutely fine and that he does not have to be a man’s man. Just Xander.
And maybe it’s just me but I feel like I’m the only person in the fandom that truly gets that character because I take the time to pay attention to who he is without drawing on preconceived notions and making baseless assumptions because he is a “Whedon-insert”.
He is not the only character in the show the reflects Whedon’s misogyny. He is just one that is male and not soulless or not a bad guy or not a token love interest.
He isn’t supernatural even in the slightest and instead of making excuses, they use that to great advantage to tell a story about a character that is just an average Joe in pretty much all of the female-led media ever created.
I cannot think of a single one in any of the empowered female TV art/entertainment I watch that’s anywhere near as interesting as Xander as a main male character and I think the reason for that is they’re afraid to let or show a man be as vulnerable as Xander is on the screen and still have him be the “nice guy” or the “good guy”.
Like I genuinely think some of the scenes of his that the fandom hate the most in the show are some of the best and it’s because I’m not focussing on the character. I’m focussing on the storytelling that’s going on through him. So I’m looking more so at the themes and how those themes are represented through his character whereas seemingly the rest of the fandom just look at him and immediately dismiss anything that he says because if it’s coming out of him, it must be stupid.
But acknowledging of weaknesses is never stupid! I wish Joxer had even half of those Xander moments. The really obnoxious ones where he takes up the space and tells the female lead that they’re a massive hypocrite.
The ones where a man wouldn’t usually get a say at all.
No. Those are some of the best moments in the show.
i feel like buffy and xander are both struggling with gender but like, from different angles?
buffy wants to be a typical girl, with the hair and the dates and the boys and the dresses. that's the life she wants, but instead she's the strong one, the protector, the fists. she's the one having to make the tough calls, she's the one who can't commit and can't say i love you, two traits that are typically given to male characters.
she struggles against this the whole series, the forced masculinisation of herself that comes with being a slayer.
meanwhile xander is the more feminine-coded one of the group- he's the damsel in distress, the one who needs protecting and saving, he's the heart. he's the one who goes to buffy and talks to her about her relationship with riley, something that could have easily come from willow but xander noticed and had the talk.
xander's the one staying at home and cleaning while buffy is out saving the world. he's struggling with what it means to be a man in the late 90s and early 00s, especially coz he doesn't have the role models he wants or needs- not his father and not even really Giles to an extent, since Giles is the one watching and not acting, but that's not the kind of man xander wants to be.
maybe this is where a lot of the anti-xander-ness comes from in a modern re-watching of buffy. coz it's more acceptable for a woman to struggle with the pros and cons of womanhood than it is for a man to struggle with being perceived as weak or girly. (and i'm saying woman and man here but for most of the series these characters were teenagers).
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clockwards · 2 years ago
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wanna talk about all the things i love and wish were developed more in the btvs boys
- xander is never a coward even though he repeatedly says he is/looks down on himself and his abilities. he is sometimes even more willing than buffy to go into to danger to protect his friends in the first few seasons, and although it's written as an excuse to 'get the girl' it never ends up that way. i wish instead of them having him remain a "weaker" comedy character and pressing on his insecurities they let him begin to trust himself and have the others trust his abilities in turn. s3e13 'The Zeppo' is such a COOL fucking episode for him but no one else knows what happened and he goes back to being "the same old xander" afterwards. I wish he was written to be allowed to grow into his confidence without directly growing his insecurities towards the girls and their levels of power. in later seasons he does but then his old insecurities pop up just for the writers to cause group friction. anyway i wish we got to see more of just xander, I think that would've been so fun and cool
- i love early s4 Average Joe riley. he's just a dorky guy who loves psychology and doesn't even realise when he has a crush. I love that he's awkward and the potential he and willow had for friendship that kind of petered off. sometimes I really wish that they'd let him actually be an Average Joe and see what that changed for the season. and we never really see that awkward side of him again! he had all the traits to be a malewife and they took that from us because they wanted a strongman instead :[
- giles' morals degrading over the series!!!! him being so proper at the beginning and each apocalypse/major event undoing that just a bit more. realising that if he is Buffy's Certified Adult then she deserves his full and absolute protection wherever he can provide it. and he does fall into the dad role quite well but he is first and foremost a Protector (which he isn't meant to be because he's a Watcher!!!). also I don't think I've seen anyone talk about him putting on the record he and joyce were playing during band candy shenanigans after her death. and him full out killing ben end of s5 :D
- angel!!! angel being a dumbass!! you don't get to see it much in btvs so I guess this is more ats content but listen! he's new at having a soul and sure there's the guilt and the brooding and the torment but there's also joy and humour and comfort and silliness. angelus is a very focused character who does feel things, but only very intensely and basically one at a time. angel feels it all at once! and he gets to have fun, or he should. ats shenanigans are good for the heart, he deserves cordy and wes being annoying and lorne dragging him to parties and playing video games with gus and fred.
- oz has that autistic rizz (I know this because I'm autistic and had a dream we kissed)
- spike [LOUD YELLING, SCREAMING, CRIES OF THE DAMNED AND DOOMED TO HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY] haha yeah nothing much to say here. just a totally normal guy.
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restlesshush · 3 years ago
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Re: director's cut: ⭐ (or if you could just talk about how you write Buffy and Faith)
Thank you for asking!
I decided talk about my post helpless fic because there was quite a lot going on in the thought process behind it and it actively contributed my understanding of Buffy and Faith in the first half / two thirds season 3 and in particular Faith’s portrayal.
The idea started as “what is an interaction that could have made them closer going into Bad Girls, so that the back third of the season hits as more of a loss for Buffy: ooh, them discussing Helpless!” and then it evolved into “wait, no, something extra definitely happened between Amends and The Zeppo to explain how well they seem to have reconciled from Revelations.”
A big reason why I made this specifically a conversation about Helpless (aside from the fact that it’s kind of wild we never find out Faith’s response to that) is because I think a crucial element for them having an actual productive emotional moment is Buffy being the vulnerable one, not Faith. Which is a reason it felt particularly resonant to have the conversation take place in Faith’s apartment: in contrast to the ends of Revelations and Bad Girls where Buffy wants Faith to open up and this makes Faith just want to get her to leave, here Buffy’s in Faith’s space again except Faith has no need to be on the defensive this time. She doesn't necessarily know what to do with Buffy being like this, but it's not a threat in the same way, and then there's the "Willow said you needed me: I didn't give it a lot of thought" of it all. Also I find how blasé the episode is about a teenager being “on walkabout” ie missing kind of disturbing (like I know it’s just a plot device to explain why Faith can’t take care of everything but the implications are really not great!!), so it makes me feel better if Buffy was at least going by to check on Faith fairly regularly (which would also explain how she knew).
The other aspect of the “this could have happened and I think things actually make more sense if it did” tag is explaining how Faith got from her initial enthusiasm for interacting with Giles and her willingness to be taken under Gwendolyn Post’s (very cold!) wing, to “new watcher? Screw that”. It is partially explained by the betrayal in Revelations, but given that being a slayer is kind of her Main Thing, I think it needs more, and the events of Helpless are very useful to that end. Reading through the script in preparation for writing, there’s a throwaway line from Giles about how Faith is refusing to train anymore which just makes very little sense? It looks like the writers kind of got distracted by her ‘bad girl’ persona and assumed that extended to her automatically being anti-authority re the watchers’ council or something, but that's not actually what's going on, so I’m fixing that for them!
In terms of the actual writing, I was kind of hesitant about writing Faith POV because her bravado is something I really don’t relate to (also why I actually didn’t pay her particularly much mind as a character for a very long time, shout out to @burrito-of-fury for being influential in remedying this!), so I worried I would downplay it more than was actually accurate. Her perspective on this interaction is definitely the more interesting one though, so I had to, and I think it was probably actively useful to write from a perspective I'm less comfortable with. So I show her putting on a front in response to perceived sleights from Buffy, which then falls away when she realises that that’s not what’s going on and Buffy’s upset, which I think rings true. Also given Faith is so casually tactile a lot of the time, I liked the idea of her wanting to but being hesitant to eg touch the scar on Buffy’s forehead: that This Means More somehow. That Faith can do things as long as she persuades herself they’re not actual intimacy but finds it more difficult when she can’t, which we don't properly get to see in the show, but which I think makes sense.
Something I’d forgotten that I’d done but that I think is neat is filtering Buffy’s fairly easy forgiveness of Giles through an outside perspective to kind of throw it into question a little. It’s sort of taken as a given in canon but that’s such a betrayal and it’s never followed up on. I like the idea of Faith struggling to suppress her outrage at this, even though that's not a useful response for Buffy, whose whole world will fall apart if she has to seriously hold something like that against Giles.
In terms of writing Buffy and Faith in general, the main thing is having in my head all the time that post (which I couldn’t find) that’s like “I am never queerbaited I am simply always correct. Whether the show eventually catches up or not is no great concern of mine.” I want it to come off like I know I’m correct, not that I feel like I have to manoeuvre canon or whatever to make them be a thing (eg the first ~half of my Who Are You alternate ending essentially being me justying Buffy's thought process in the back third of season 3 already being how I want it to be). I once started reading a season 4 fuffy fic that opened with Buffy 1) actively aware of having some feelings for Faith and 2) talking to Willow about them, and I just closed out of the fic like “no???”
Also as a last point I like to joke to myself that them going off to kill things at the end of the fic is fuffy hays code.
I enjoyed answering this, thank you!!
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quintennyson · 2 years ago
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#literally can remember the first time i watched this ep. walking away and going ?????????#and immediately sitting down and drawing. writing meta and going ?????#ive laid awake at night thinking about this.#the little smile he breaks into in the third gif#....like hes looking inside himselt and going Huh yeah. actually i am okay with that.#THE THOUGHT THAT HIS INSTINCT IS TO SMILE ABOUT THAT FACT.#his fucking answer#how it parallels the excuses he gives cordelia earlier of wanting peace and quiet#this scene is just like xander and noncon situations. where youre like. okay but this only happens once right.#AND THE ANSWER IS NO. THIS IS A THING. THIS IS VERY MUCH A THING. A RECURRING THING.#A RECURRING ENOUGH THAT I HAVE A TAG FOR THIS THING#puts my head in my hands.#anyway sorry celia#still not normal about him. or this.#you know what. tag in question#jump on the sword knight (via snakeliciousbaby)
#anyway yeah im normal about this scene and ep. im normal#JUST KIDDING.#this is a scene which not only reinforces the idea that xander thinks dying for his friends is his best use in life#but that he would ENJOY said death#hes crossing the line here from No will to live and A literal death wish. this is SUPER suicidal#like he spells it out!!! this is ultra permanent death and hes like!!! sweet!!#listen you could interpret this as xander lying but like. he does this sort of thing CONSTANTLY. Prophecy girl.inca mummy. replacement.g#its a horrible horrible habit of his and a bery real trait (via snakeliciousbaby (again))
#sometimes i think of this moment#and every time we see his family#they are yelling#and loud#and he sleeps outside just for a bit of peace#and his biggest fear was ending up like them#and i wonder#if his car hadnt fallen apart#would he have ever come back?#i love xander#hes saved the world#hes saved buffy#he loves and loves#and doesnt think he deserves any in return#and he likes the quiet (via imstronglikeanamazon)
#yeah he does this all the time someone help him anyway#THE ZEPPO OH GOD#JEEZ. JEEEEZZZZ. WHAT AN EP. WHAT. AN. EP.#i'm normal about it :)#i'm especially super normal about how everyone fucking hates my boy :)) not mad at all :))) not about to start angrily yelling in a tumblr#posts' tags about it :))))#at first glance (when you're me age 11) you're like 'this was kind of badass!' and then at second glance (me age 14) you're like Dear God#send him to a psychiatrist IMMEDIATELY.#that little like. smile??#the look in his eyes????????#get him help. get. him. help. now.#like the momentary jsut. straight flatness in that last gif? just the#the /blank/ for like a hot second it's like. Oh. /OH/. oh no. (via cescalr)
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dontwarnthetadpoles · 3 years ago
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Unpopular opinion of the day
Reposting (with an update) this long answer i wrote in a discussion about what Xander adds to the show.
Strange view of life to think that people (even fictional characters) must be useful or they have no value and should be then written off. It’s an accusation that has often been thrown to the scoobies, usually by baddies (Spike did it a lot), to discourage them and kill their team spirit (”Buffy doesn’t need you”,”you’re just a burden”) but it has no moral ground and ultimately leads to a dead end. Everyone have been accused of being useless at one point: Buffy was forced in season 3 to defend her mission as a slayer against her own mother because she couldn’t eradicate vampires, only save few lives here and here.
Xander's years on Buffy's side as a member of the gang with Willow and the ones who loved and supported them is a story about friendship, loyalty, courage, family, forgiveness, not a performance or a competition in which he must prove himself or leave.
Just like Cordelia, who strangely isn't attacked with the same level of hate for being a bully and staying a bully, even after she joined the scoobies and started dating Xander (her mean comments that she justifies as form of “honesty”, except she’s only honest about “truths” that hurt, are as violent as Xander's sexism), Xander is just a scared kid, especially during seasons 1 to 3, who tries to do the right thing despite not having any special abilities, putting his life in danger in the process.
I get that not everyone is moved by the acting, but i personally think the actor brought a strong likeability and heart to the character, while the writing wasn’t helping him (just like Cordelia again).
But if people want evidences of his contributions to validate him as 3 dimensional person/fictional human being, here a list of his achievements that nobody can't deny:
In season 1: he followed Buffy in the tunnels to bring back Jesse, he stopped the Harvest with the gang, he was on the rescue team to free Willow from Moloch, he saved Giles life in The Puppet Show when the demon was very close to cut his head and take his brain, in Prophecy Girl: he went to Angel's appartment and forced the vampire to take him to the Master's lair to help Buffy, he performed CPR on her, saved her life. Thanks to him, she stopped The Master, killed him and avoided an apocalypse.
In season 2: he saved Giles, Willow, Cordelia, and Jenny from the Anointed One who was going to use them as a sacrifice in a revivification spell to bring back the Master, he saved Cordelia from a fire in Some Assembly Required, protected Willow from the Mummy, was used as a bait by Angel to try to kill Spike In School Hard, helped Buffy to stop the Bezoar in Bad Eggs while everyone else was mind controlled by the monster, saved Willow from Angelus when he took her hostage and threatened to kill her, rescued the children in Killed by Death, went undercover in Go Fish and saved Buffy’s life when she was trapped with the ancient swimmers of the school team turned monsters by their coach, he rescued Giles in Becoming.
In season 3: he’s less involved in the fights but managed to kill his faire share of vampires when Buffy was in LA, he tried with Oz to save Willow and Buffy from the fairy tale monster, prevented the destruction of the school in a massive explosion planned by zombies in the Zeppo, helped to stop the massacre planned by vamp Willow at the Bronze, tried to reach and help Faith when she went bad and it almost get him killed, bought for Cordelia her dream dress for The Prom , in Graduation he convinced Anya to share what she knew about the Ascension and lead the army of students in the final battle against the mayor.
In season 4: his speech to Buffy where he confessed she was his model, the hero he thinks about during difficult times was an essential part of Buffy’s decision to not give up College. He helped saved Oz when he was captured by The Initiative, and was part of the spell, the “Heart”, in the final battle against Adam.
In season 5-7: he took care a lot of Dawn and helped Buffy raised her in season 7, helped Giles build a training place for Buffy under the magic shop, their house with Anya was often a place to gather and hide for the Scoobies, he stopped Dark Willow when she tried to end the world, he lost an eye while fighting against the First.
He fed the team: brought comfort food during the long nights of the endless research, was tasked many times to get the essential ingredients for the spells at the magic shop, showed support and shared too many hugs to count them, with the girls when they needed a pep talk.
In Buffy’s words, he put his heart, soul and body (while having his own family issues and trauma that were never properly adressed) in his relationship with the gang and lost everything that he possessed when Sunnydale disappeared (Anya, his home), so yeah the sexism and jealousy are bad but even so he’s clearly underrated by the fandom.
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