#yes this is about the anon hate I'm getting from people who think I'm Jewish. sorry bud I'm from a different religious and ethnic group
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Like I've definitely been on the receiving end of various bigotry before, but it's always weird to experience the -ism aimed a group you don't even belong to.
#yes this is about the anon hate I'm getting from people who think I'm Jewish. sorry bud I'm from a different religious and ethnic group#technically a minority within the US but not by much and in different ways.#anyway yeah it's been a Weird Fuckin Time#antisemitism mention#personal
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the bible stuff irritates me first because it's dull and secondly because the actually interesting incest did not make it into the polls smh. now could i have submitted this? sure. but i'm mostly of the mind the bible stuff's the least interesting & most overplayed stuff anyway. derrrhurrr lets make fun of jesus and the two other figures we know from veggietales or w/e. i'm jewish and have superior taste. hmph (that being said, it's still mostly played out. i just want to throw things out there)
cain/abel BORING, PREDICTABLE
lot & his daughters? somewhat more interesting. we have the only good place in utah from that story (moab). yes father, drink this wine so we can have babies with you!! potentially hot, depending on kinks. not as interesting bc there's like classical paintings about it & w/e
noah & ham? intergenerational father/son bonding experience! some scholars argued that ham fucked that old man after the flood. also hot & honestly noah probably deserved that prostate orgasm! interesting! hot! also ham went on to sire nations which is kind of cool
rachel/leah -- cmon. you might say here 'nonnie! this is like cain and abel!' no! this is taking two women who were otherwise competing over a man (boring, worse bc theyre sisters) and making their relationship better!! also leah & rachel are usually depicted as fucking smokeshows and i'm gay and it makes me kinda hot thinkin about it ngl this one's self motivated. but they spend a lot of time with each other or with the two of them and bilhah (rachel's maid, also slept w jacob) and like... feelings develop u know?? also i read this book the red tent as a kid and it was mid but did kinda get me hot too idk (bonus because jacob was already their cousin) reuben/joseph -- reuben was the only brother who was nice to joseph. u got some classic yaoi elements here & ok i'll be honest i think this is an objectively good idea but i saw that the red tent is a mini series w minnie driver as leah and morena baccarin as rachel and i think someone jacked the temp up so i better send this & figure that out lol
sorry for the spam i apparently have stronger feelings about biblical incest than i thought. but hey, minnie driver & morena baccarin as rival sisters turned lovers?? something good came outta this whole thang lol
thank for this EXCELLENT take anon. The bible relationships that people talk about here are just. it's literally only cain and abel and jesus and judas those are the only ones. They don't know any other ones. And the way people talk about them has no actual reference to scripture. Tumblr users just like the religious ~vibes~ and the light edginess of it and those pairs are popular for modern poems and plays and songs to allude to which generates quotes they can use in their web weaves about dog coding and pomegranates (I'm hating but I love those dog motif posts don't be fooled)(still hating but still don't be fooled it is Always Correct to put adam raised a cain by the boss o7 in ur web weave). I for one would like some variety in there and I appreciate ur suggestions! Very intrigued by the apparent existence of scholarly arguments in favor of dadson yaoi in torah. I like Rachel/leah a lot, omg morena baccarin rachel i had such a huge crush on her as a kid my 13-year-old baby lesbian ass watched firefly and it was overrrr 😵💫 speaking of lot some other people have mentioned lot and his daughters and I love that one too mainly for the novelty of it. I don't think i can think of a single other depiction of father/daughter rape specifically for the purposes of reproduction in which the daughter is the aggressor like, anywhere else? I love that. There was that episode of house I guess but I dont think that girl wanted to be pregnant 🤔 in general i just think parent/child rape where the child is the aggressor is really fun 🤪<- me getting silly w fictionalized rape
I would like to propose some of my own ships. wholesome one: miriam/aaron/moses. 40 years is a long time you know? Gets lonely out in the wilderness. And they clearly love each other, they do a lot for each other, maybe Miriam and Aaron welcomed back their long lost little brother with VERY open arms. Plus they're pretty mad when he gets married so 🤨
tragic one: absalom/tamar. Two prettiest girls in the world they hated them bc they ain't them 😫 king david's amazingly beautiful daughter and his equally beautiful femboy son? With many half siblings but they're each other's only full siblings? Tamar goes to absalom when she is raped by her eldest half-brother, which David dismisses, and absalom is so furious he kills the rapist brother and has to flee, only returning once he's raised an army against David, which fails and results in his death. And Tamar then raises his daughter (who is named after her) and is left "a desolate woman in his house" 🤧 so sad clearly they should've been king and queen together
Toxic one: Jacob/esau. Twincest ❤️ kind of gay to come out of the womb holding onto ur brother. Kind of gay to spend ur life hunting ur brother for stealing ur birthright with sporadic periods of reconciliation. Kind of gay for this rivalry to continue on to ur ancestors. If the rivalry lasts beyond ur lifetime you are no longer rivals. You are gay
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post 10/7 jewish culture is straight up no longer believing your goyische friends actually like you and are in for the long haul. immediately after 10/7 I lost a few people who were disgusting assholes, but ever since then my goyische friends on this website have been slowly "un-friending" me (unfollowing, soft-blocking, and blocking). I'll have other goy friends who stuck around this long say nice things about me, compliment my fics, my blog, and even me, and I just... don't believe it. I know that's a common social anxiety fear, but I never struggled with social anxiety that badly. if you asked me if I thought my internet friends really liked me last september I would've said yes and meant it. but now, after months and months of my friends dropping like flies (and I almost NEVER lost mutuals before 10/7, not in almost 4 years on this website), I don't really believe them. I just can't. I'm waiting for them to realize they don't want to put up with my jewish ass anymore.
I've decided to stop talking about i/p because of this... I'll see posts on my dash (like from jewishlivesmatter) which I think are good and I wanna put on my blog, but I feel like every post about it pushes my goyische friends a little further away, a little closer to the block/unfollow button, so I'm just... not. I used to be scared to talk about i/p, from may 2021 when I learned just how antisemitic most goyim were because of the riots, to oct 7. but now I no longer fear getting doxx'd or getting swarmed with anon hate. I just know that talking about it is the number one way for Jews to lose friends.
"do you even want to be friends with these people?" yes. if I held goyim to the standard of i/p opinions I think everyone ought to have, I'd have no goyische friends. at this point as long as they agree that hamas is a terror org and a 2-state solution is best, I'm down to keep being friends, because even that is a godsend for people my age (20s).
it's even started to affect me in real life. the other day I had a talk with a goysiche friend of 15 years about i/p (knowing where they stood, obviously, by this point). we got into a mild argument, but they had stuff to do so we had to stop. I sent them an unrelated text an hour later, and when I got radio silence for the rest of the day (our argument was in the morning) a part of me genuinely believed that was it for us and braced for losing an irl friend who means so much to me and I thought was going to be in my life until one of us dies. they'd be in my wedding party. we've penciled in figuring out some honorific my future kids can use for them instead of aunt/uncle because they're nonbinary. I caved and texted them to make sure we're still friends, and they said yes, thank fucking gd, because otherwise I might've just had a full mental breakdown.
anyone else waiting for their remaining goyische friends to leave them?
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you never read the lilith question from the first edition of lilith magazine you twisted presumptuous fraud and antisemite
So I'm probably giving you more attention than you deserve, but I also hate leaving someone who keeps repeatedly shouting something at me that's so wrong uncorrected.
You brought this up back in September (yes, this has been going on for that long), and at the time I hadn't read it so I assumed it supported your argument. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and trusted that it said what you said.
But here's the thing, I've since read it.
And it doesn't support what you're saying at all.
(Putting the rest under a cut since this gets long...)
So going to the actual piece we have to remember what "Lilith Magazine" is. It's a Jewish Feminist magazine writing primarily for a Jewish audience. Cantor-Zuckoff is talking about how Jewish women may want to look at her story differently. I don't find anything in there arguing for Lilith to be some pan-feminist icon for non-Jewish people. In fact, in the article Cantor-Zuckoff says:
What we have to explore are the uniquely Jewish aspects of the Lilith story, and how they relate to the Jewish experience, to Jewish history. After all, Jews lived among many different peoples and were subject to a bombardment of cultural and religious concepts and myths from all sides. What they accepted is important because it shows us what Jews perceived as necessary and appropriate to Jewish life and its continuity. How they transmuted what they accepted is also significant for this reason. The account of Lilith’s revolt in the Alphabet is, to the best of my knowledge, intrinsically Jewish; no non-Jewish source tells of a female struggle for equality or gives it as a reason for the vengeful behavior of a female demon. This is especially important to us in exploring how the Lilith myth connects with our unique history.
The only comments about universality in the piece are when Cantor-Zuckoff says that there are stories with some similarities in other cultures just prior to those last two paragraphs:
These legends of Lilith-as-demon, the vengeful female witch, are, of course, not unique to Jewish culture and tradition. Many scholars theorize that vengeful female deities or demons, like the Greek hecatae, represent the vestiges of the dying Matriarchy or are an attempt by men to discredit the Matriarchy.
What Cantor-Zuckoff is arguing here is that there are myths in other cultures that have been influenced by patriarchy and serve some similar functions. This is not an argument for other people using Lilith, only that there are elements she shares. To claim they're the same though is bizarre, as you wouldn't claim that, say, Kinich Ahau and Helios are the same god just because they're both associated with the sun.
I think this really goes back to the fact that you've started with a conclusion and just reject anything that contradicts it. You really want it to be true. What I have said from the start is that Lilith is a figure who is unique to Jewish folklore. I backed this up with with the evidence we find in the historical record. I debunked the supposed "non-Jewish Lilith" sources.
And I said listen to Jewish people about what's okay or not okay to use from their culture, as they are a closed ethnoreligion, and not listening to them would make someone an asshole. You've been having a bizarre tantrum at me for like half a year now, and it's getting sad.
I don't know why you seem to care that I, a random person you will never meet, thinks you're being an asshole, but this has to stop.
(Context Note: For anyone who is seeing this post first in this ongoing "conversation" -- this anon has been harassing me for months because I dared say in my podcast that Lilith is a figure who comes exclusively from Jewish folklore, and that members of the Modern Witchcraft Movement should listen to Jewish people when they ask us not to appropriate her. That's right -- my saying "listen to Jewish people" is apparently an antisemitic act.)
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Hi!
I saw your posts in the tags about deleting all reblogs! I went thru your blog to see what was wrong and it looks like Zionists have been harassing you about antisemitism until you stop talking about Palestine.
In so sorry about that and don't fall for it!!
To clear down things up: nativenews isn't antisemitic. They're pro-Palestine and support a decolonized solution which Zionists HATE and that's why they're saying nativenews in antisemitic. Zionists are calling ANYONE who doesn't support Israel or a 2state solution an "unsafe" person for Jews which doesn't even make sense.
That'd be like if Americans said "you're anti-american and unsafe to my well being because you think native Americans deserve equal rights. Natives obviously just want rights to get revenge on us, how could you possibly suggest supporting them."
That doesn't even make sense and it's obviously just a racist excuse for Americans to keep their privileges over natives right?
Same exact situation is happening.
Jewish Zionists like to pretend Israel is a Jewish state but it isn't. There are Christians and Palestinians and Muslims who live in Israel too. It isn't specifically anti-Semitic to criticize a government, regardless of it's population.
People criticize the USA all the time and who are the only people that get mad about it? Patriots and racists who want to ignore their problems, right? And should we stop talking about those things cuz they're uncomfortable? Course not. They are the Reason we talk about it, right?
Zionists are the same. And the doubt they are planting in you about your voice is their goal. One less voice speaking up for Palestine helps theirs get louder.
Please don't delete your reblogs.
Nothing you've done has helped out Jewish lives in danger JUST because they are Jewish. And that's what antisemitism is.
Antisemitism is not when you have opinions Jewish zionists don't like or reblog from people that Jewish zionists don't like, I promise.
Hi Anon!
Thank-you for the message!
Also, thank-you very much for that explaination. What you said definitely makes sense to me. As I've said, I'm not very knowledgable about what has been happening and was only attempting to help, which it had been pointed out to me that was not what happened.
I'm attempting to learn so I can make informed decisions going forward and listen to the people who I was attempting to help.
To clear things up: I am against murder. Period. (Yes this includes animals, but that's not the point of this post)
If you are pro-murder, I do NOT agree with you. Unfollow me, block me, whatever.
This is why I felt sick when I was told the post I reblogged from NativeNews could possibly get people killed. That is why I went to the extreme lengths of taking down every other post I had reblogged mentioning Israel and Palenstine and wrote the apology post.
I was trying to spread information to stop people from dying, not contribute to it.
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thanks for posting about the jewish side of this whole thing. at the first post of urs i saw i almost reached for the unfollow button thinking it was zionistic, but then i like. Took a moment and realized propaganda had me almost ready to unfollow a jewish person bc they called out antisemitism. reading more of ur posts has definitely helped me think harder abt everything im consuming rn, and i want 2 thank u 4 that. Ik ur probably getting nasty messages so heres one from a goy(goyim? Idk the conjugation) who isnt perfect but is learning 2 listen thanks 2 u
This ask is from November 16th and I've clearly sat on it for a long time. I've had a lot of complex feelings over it. Grateful, yes, especially in the earlier days. Which I think is why I didn't let my self answer right away. I'm glad anon had a second thought before unfollowing me. The bar is in hell there, but I'm still glad. I'm glad they understood my goals have been to fight antisemitism by calling it out where i see it. I'm glad they seem wiling to listen and learn. But i also worry. I worry because of that knee-jerk view of pro-jews and jewish safety content as "zionistic" is there and their ask only tells me that they realized that **I** was doing better, not that their wariness of "zionistic" content was wrong. And i've felt very nit-picky feeling this way, especially when they are thanking me for helping them to think harder about things. I deeply appreciate that and i hope if they're still following me they now have an even better understanding of how nuanced my feelings on this have to be. I have to be nit-picky because this is my life and the life of my loved ones and my people on the line. And also I realize now i am some form of zionist, but i'm not going to define or quantify that because the people who know what i'm talking about understand the nuance and multitudes and complexity and hope that word can hold (and if you've been following me you should by now too), and the people that would block me for it or put me on a list or send me hate would never have engaged me in good faith to begin with. So anon, if you're still following me, I sincerely thank you and hope you've continued to learn and unpack your feeling over this all. I'm grateful for the message that November 2023 you sent because it does give me hope, and i hope that past version of you can be proud of the you that's reading this reply. And above all I hope that anyone else reaching for the block button takes a moment to think and realize they are not immune to propaganda and cultural antisemitism.
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Sorry this is gonna be a bit of a rant since it’s something I’ve had strong feelings about since joining the AG/TASM fanfic part of the internet, and you’ve provided me a great opportunity to talk about it.
As a trans person, I am BEGGING fanfic writers to stop writing Marauders stuff. I’ve seen so many people defend it with “separate art from the artist” but like it or not they are still supporting JKR. Separating art from the artist only really works when the artist can’t profit from it. She has done SO MUCH harm to trans people and particularly trans youth in the UK and it’s so fucking disheartening and gives me such an ick when I see TASM writers also write for Marauders because it truly comes across as “I love and support the trans community except when it comes to this because I like it.”.
Even if you ignore the transphobia and holocaust denial (YES IM SERIOUS, she’s denied parts of the holocaust at LEAST twice and she literally did it a second time the other day), the original writing is so fucking problematic. Things just off the top of my head being;
The goblins being stereotypes of Jewish people
The fucking racism with characters like Cho Chang and Kingsley Shacklebolt
The last Fantastic Beasts movie’s plot literally being trying to make WW2 and the holocaust happen
This point needs to be taken with a grain of salt since this was some bullshit Joanne said after the books came out, but werewolves in the universe being meant to represent people with aids. Which is so fucking awful considering one of the two werewolves was attacked by the other as a CHILD
The most ironic part of this is that if Andrew is truly the person he presents himself as, he would probably fucking despise being associated with HP, even if it is just a fancast. But yeah all this to say fuck JKR, fuck Marauders fans but also thank you so much Katie for that last anon answer because I genuinely don’t see that enough in this corner of the internet.
Even Daniel Radcliffe, Harry Potter himself, has spoken out against her and continues to loudly support the LGBTQ+ communities. When your own beloved Harry doesn't even want to stand by your side, you should know you fucked up. Sadly, she does not, and instead leans harder into her bigotry and hatred.
I've always been someone who is very loud and opinionated when I see things that I disagree with, which I know can rub some people the wrong way, but fuck it. I don't like to whisper about my issues on the sidelines, I like to confront the problem head on by being very clear about where I stand and how I feel. I'm not gonna sit around and let someone align me with JKR just because I'm writing a stupid werewolf and Peter Parker fic that exactly 5 people are reading lol. It's not even a popular fic like get out of my asks jfc. Esp when I can tell this person has not read a single sentence of my story and is completely basing their judgements on my header image of AG's face next to a wolf gif.
In this past week I have seen both a Steven Harrington werewolf au and a Daredevil werewolf au cross my dash. Do we think they're getting called out for supporting HP?? No. Because their actors weren't "fan casted" as something years ago. Fan casts don't even mean anything! There was never a movie about them. AG was never casted or played this role. It's literally nothing but a bunch of fans agreeing that they like his look for a fictional character.
Anyway, I'm also ranting back at you haha. You can rant to me anytime. I love a good rant and I agree with you 100%.
Werewolves were not created by JKR. Andrew Garfield has nothing to do with Harry Potter. Don't make make snap judgments about a person's character based on a picture you saw. Support your trans community. Don't be dick.
And, if they actually read my werewolf au, they would see that it's literally about learning to overcome your own hatred and biases of people different from you and learning to love those you were taught to hate. Crazy concept, I know! 🙄😉
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I’m the anon from earlier, thanks for correcting your mistake. I understand you didn’t realize what happened but the fact that you owned up to it means a lot because most blogs would’ve blocked me out of cowardice. It’s nice to see someone else standing up against the racism in this fandom especially from big blogs like IS (who really butchers asian culture in her writing, btw, idk why we’re letting yt people write fanfic in this fandom.) i’ve been in fandom spaces for 10 years now and as far as racism goes TLC is by far the worst considering most people still don’t even accept that the MC is asian. I’ve hated TS for years for her casual racism and the white supremacy themes/narrative implicit in her music and the fact that this fandom idolizes her is disappointing, but not surprising. No, Cinder would not listen to a deeply bigoted woman who openly and unapologetically condones violence against black women and hates jewish people. TS is more like Levana than any other tlc character. Anyways thank you again for taking me srsly and correcting your mistake.
OFC ANON!!!! Your ask was so informative and held me accountable (and let me know that some Swiftie blogs could still engage with my posts without my knowledge/consent). I will definitely be moving forward differently because of your ask, thank you so so so much <3
I don't block anons but I do delete anon hate from Swifties. And I KNOW the Tumblr culture that you're talking about, I've also been here for a while (10 years now). But I want to subvert that culture with my blog and with how I respond to my asks. I would rather take the time to respond and explain than be reactive, because 1) being reactive doesn't reflect well on me and the point I'm trying to make and 2) Engaging with anons with a thoughtful response makes them feel respected and validated regardless if we agree or not. I never want people to feel stupid, ignorant, or dumb by my responses, and that is never my intention as well.
Thank you for acknowledging and feeling the same way about the fandom racism. I do feel a bit isolated and lonely sometimes knowing a majority of the fandom are TS fans, but I remember that I would rather get 0 interactions on a post then engage with racists. And anons like you only validate my point that I'm not the only person who feels this way, I'm just the most vocal. I'm genuinely happy you feel seen and heard and feel this blog is a safe space to talk about fandom racism, because I do want people to ultimately feel safe as TLC fans of color to come and talk to me about how they feel. Despite being a small fandom, we still need safe spaces like this as we, tlc fans of color, can feel/have felt alienated by the overwhelming white presence of this fandom.
(And I think it speaks for itself when, after I blocked all swifties following my page, a majority of people who still follow me are other people of color.)
Talking about TS means talking about racism and people seem to elide the fact that I am hurt by their continued support for TS. Like that's the main point of racism, you're engaging in a power dynamic that reinforces the marginalize and violence towards marginalized and exploited communities. People don't understand that being born as and existing as a person of color is a political statement that we cannot evade but actively informs and filters our lives. And when people engage with open racists like TS, it reinforces the marginalization of people of color.
TLC racism is on a different level, but then again, this is the same fandom that where cresswell, a relationship between a 16 and 20 y/o is its second biggest ship :/ Like clearly people don't care about anyone they hurt as long as they can ship their faves. And yes, the race wars when it comes to Cinder racial/ethnic background are INSANE. It really has to do with the fact that a majority of white women see Y/A heroines as their self insert so Cinder not being white disrupts this assumptions and it's the same reason Cress is so popular. I was active in the TLC fandom back in 2014-16 and there was so much discourse about Cresswell (p*d* ship discourse) and about Cinder's race/ethnicity. I 100% agree with you that TLC fandom is one of the WORST fandoms in YA because of their extreme racism towards the Cinder and other main characters (the way I tear up when I see Black!Annabeth fan art being celebrated...why can't people here act correctly sometimes 😭).
I thought IS is Asian(Chinese)-Australian? Please correct me if I'm wrong though, I was just under this impression from how they responded to asks on their blog. If they're actually not Asian/Chinese-Australian I'm actually even more disgusted with their fanfiction now. But it also explains a lot.
"I’ve hated TS for years for her casual racism and the white supremacy themes/narrative implicit in her music and the fact that this fandom idolizes her is disappointing, but not surprising."
Anon you have NO idea how much I want to be your friend right now. YOU PUT HOW I FEEL PERFECTLY INTO WORDS. This is the EXACT issue I have with TS and why she attracts such racist, bigoted fans while still appealing to her liberal fanbase. She encodes her music with white supremacist messaging and simultaneously posits herself as liberal by perverting feminist ideology to deflect accountability for the harm she's caused. She is the PERFECT white woman because she straddles the apolitical white line to maximize her (white) fanbase. She's an evil person but a commercial and marketing genius, and because white supremacy reinforces the paradigm that wealth equates to good moral character, TS is consistently defended as a good person when she literally isn't. At all.
So that's why my original response to your ask was really weird because I couldn't tell if you were pro/anti-TS but still answered anyways just in case, you know? I'm glad to know that you aren't pro-TS and there are other people recognize the racist and white supremacist undertones of her music.
"No, Cinder would not listen to a deeply bigoted woman who openly and unapologetically condones violence against black women and hates jewish people."
If TS existed in the third era she would be bigoted towards cyborgs and lunars, point blank period. People thinking the TLC main characters would be swifties or love TS is 100% a projection of their whiteness (or delusional, or both) and basic misunderstanding of how PoC face and deal with overwhelmingly popular racist white artists. Also, I have so many thoughts on calling the Lunar people "the Lunar race" in both canon and fandom. That's definitely MM's whiteness not fully understanding how race is constructed and her white vision of a post-racial futuristic society. I could speak about that for hours (but that isn't the purpose of this post).
Also you aren't being dramatic with the TS Levana comparison. That's spot on: she literally manipulates people with her victim narrative despite being 33 years old and is able to make people forget the harm she causes with the amount of content she produces. TS since her debut has never taken direct accountability for her racist actions (like the antisemitic 2009 MTV photo where she poses with a guy wearing a swatstika t-shirt and her PR team justified the photo as her "not knowing." She was FIFTEEN).
I can literally write a completely separate post linking every single article by topic of all the racist and suspicious actions she's done and taken both as an artist and person, but this is a TLC blog and I want to focus on TLC content first. This isn't a dig towards you, nanny; this is just me saying I cannot be 100% responsible for educating people on TS racism, because it is a lot of emotional and time-intensive labor.
I hope this post makes sense. This was super heavy and took me a couple hours to write because you brought up so many brilliant points and I wanted to breakdown a proper response. Seriously, this has been my favorite ask so far. Anon, you are now my friend!
#the lunar chronicles#yes im tagging it there because it actually deals with the series#mine#ask#holy shit this took everything out of me#but this is seriously a perfect succinct description of everything im upset about w this fandom and TS#thank you for being brilliant anon#anti taylor swift
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Btw, at times like this when the Israeli's are getting particularly bloodthirsty, their state sponsered trolls roll out. That last anon you had, whilst not definitely one fits their general 'gist' of how they operate. It's an established thing Israel does whenever the world temporarily stops ignoring their genocidal savagery for a whie. They tend to target anyone who they think has a lot of reach or makes a good target. It's why every statement they made was so fucking dumb. In short; don't let it get to you, it was probably someone who copy-pasted that message to 100 other people across different social media. And expect more over the coming weeks..
Ok. So I'm personally generally p sceptical of the specific phrase "state-sponsored trolls" bc in my experience the nature of ingrained reactionary propaganda is that you generally don't need to be state-sponsored and the insistence that states (be it Israel, the US, China, whoever) must be Paying People To Disagree With You seems to me to be a pathway to conspiratorial thinking whatever direction is going in. Maybe it's sometimes true but it doesn't need to be true.
People can hold shitty fucking genocidal opinions which make no sense in the face of facts all by themselves without being paid to do so. This is particularly true for people who benefit from normalising colonial occupation and genocide, whether that's Israeli settlers or British nationalists or American christofascists. Israel doesn't need to be, and I say this phrase deliberately, ~controlling the media~ for people to make the most balls to the wall unhinged defences of genocide, because it's in many people's individual interest to do that regardless. Because they. You know. Think Sometimes Genocide Is Useful.
so like yes whenever you make any statement in support of Palestinian rights or lives, or criticising the actions of Israel, people will instantly come out of the woodwork to say you're a Nazi who hates Jewish people bc you want all Israelis to die or some shit. It's deeply wearing and not very convincing because they have yet to point out what people's criticisms of Israeli genocide of Palestinians are actually. You know. wrong about. they'll say 'it's bad when Israelis are killed!' as if that's in any way an argument against the statement 'it's bad when Palestinians are killed/oppressed'. these messages are constant, stock, and kneejerk, and exist to create too much noise for a meaningful conversation.
but no I don't agree with you on this message. partly bc of the above mentioned conspiratorial thinking (sometimes people just Are Wrong). partly bc you immediately in sentence 1 conflate the Israeli people with the Israeli state and that's some bullshit. Israel is a seller state and yes Israelis are responsible for their decisions when they knowingly steal from Palestinians at IDF gunpoint. but Israel is a whole country where people live their lives. Israelis are not a monolith nor are they individually responsible for the actions of their government, only for their own actions.
rule of thumb imo if you're engaging in any kind of good faith you gotta be really specific in acknowledging that Israelis =/= the state of Israel =/= Jews and Palestinians =/= Hamas/PA/PLO/any other faction =/= Muslims. We're talking about people here and people are not states.
#red said#i very obviously do not believe that all criticism of Israel stems from antisemitism#however I'm ngl this ask is conspiracy-brained enough that to me it does have a non-zero amount of Antisemitism Vibes#cause like. Israel and Israelis are different things.#and cause no man Israel is not controlling the conversation by posting state-sponsored trolls.#the conversation supports Israel because Israel as a colony is the product of a deliberate project to suit certain people's interests#those certain people by the way? i am Not Talking About The Jewish Community. the certain people are colonial powers#Israel is subject to global support bc Israel has the backing of the United States government. apart from anything else.
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Oh my god you sound like a pompous ass with a fixation on Jews. Piss off.
Alright a nice and timely bit of hate, from I'm guessing either Spacelazarwolf or Slyandthefamilybook, but who knows and it doesn't really matter.
Here is a breakdown of everything that just happened. I came across a post denouncing antisemitism by someone I follow. A good message save for the fact that it was essentially worded
"If your not Jewish agree that antisemitism is bad as if this conversation took place in a bubble, or you suck"
I then agreed that yes, antisemitism is bad, but refused to pretend any speech occurs in a bubble free of the context of the world around us and the events that transpire in it, soooooo, while yes antisemitism is bad maybe we should also have a discussion about how a particular state in the middle east is attempting to turn the multiple Jewish denominations, and multiple Jewish ethnic identies as well as that state into a Monolith so that criticizing any constituent part of that list constitutes criticizing the entirety.
(I'll admit my initial response was a little more wise ass in tone than it probably needed to be, I don't responde well to posts telling me to "say what I want you to only then shut up")
The response I then received for wanting to also talk about the Israeli state trying to turn the diaspora into something like the monolith that neo-nazis and antisemites paint them as when they say "the jews", and how that is probably a bad thing likely to result in more of the antisemitism that they were asking people to condem as that far right government carries out terrible actions; was, "shut up forever" before i was blocked or it was deleted. Not exactly sure which since I can't look at spacelazarwolfs blog who I'm guessing blocked me, though I think that response was from sly. Regardless the response was essentially
No, I don't want to, shut the fuck up and never talk to me again
So, not exactly the response I'd expect from someone who was genuinely just trying to promote awareness of the growing problem of antisemitism.
As for your charge there anon about me having a fixation on jews. I don't, i do have a fixation on history though the thing I care about is the dual rises in both Identitarianism, and the violence that historically follows a push of that mindset. Whether that's white guys attacking and assaulting people with Hispanic names or dark skin in my country, the use of Russian Nationalism and pride for defeating the nazi's being used by putin to try and claim land and eradicate an ethnic minority, or ethno-religious nationalism from the Israeli state widening the definition of antisemitism to use it as cover to do the very same thing to its neighboring ethnic groups that the states founders wanted a state to be protected from ever experiencing again.
Conversations don't happen in a bubble... those that try to force a conversation to occur in a bubble have an agenda, and I've found, It's usually one that historically you should be wary of because they are trying to hide something.
And with that. May those pushing antisemitism get punched in the face as all Nazi's and antisemites should, and may Palestine be free and it's people find justice.
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(Same anon who talked about having a Jewish friend)
Actually, I've already seen a bunch of the video explanations and looked things up before sending the last ask in, and yeah, I'm pretty convinced the Palestinians got a raw deal. It looks like the British came in, took over Palestine, then decided to kill two birds with one stone and try to move all the Jews out of their country and into the area they were trying to establish as Israel, while intimidating or outright forcing Palestinians into leaving their own homes in order to make room.
And then after repelling the attack from all the surrounding countries trying to get rid of Israel (which yeah, that uh. That would also have led to a massive tragedy), Israel took over a bunch of territory beyond what they'd been assigned (without any Palestinian input whatsoever), and claimed it as spoils of war or something. And it's occupied areas even beyond that, and regularly bombed Gaza like. A Lot.
Honestly, my biggest source of difficulty is that, well. I DO know people who are Jewish and have family in Israel, and are pro-Israel and arguing all the usual Israeli talking points, and are scared right now. And I can't really say that they shouldn't be afraid for themselves and their friends and family either, even though from what I've seen with my research, Palestinians seem to have been dealt a rawer hand. I'm not sure what to say to them, except generally adopting one of the more neutral stances that focuses on the horrors this conflict has inflicted on everyone involved, like what Rick Riordan said in a recent blog post.
I am also quite aware that when anyone, myself included, tries to speak about this issue, the reader is waiting to pounce, thinking, “Yes, but whose side are you on?” That is exactly the wrong question. If there are two sides to this issue, those sides are not Palestinian/Israeli or Muslim/Jewish. The two sides are humanitarian and dehumanizing. Dehumanizing has a long evil history. It is appealing and easy to buy into, because humans are tribal animals. We are hardwired to think in terms of ‘us’ versus ‘them.’ We are the real humans, the good guys, the ones with God on our side. Those other people are evil monsters who don’t deserve empathy. Hate mongers have thrived on dehumanizing for as long as there have been humans. It provides them with a purpose, a way to rally support, power, and scapegoats. It is easy to point to atrocities committed by our enemies, while justifying or minimizing the atrocities committed by ourselves or our allies.
Humanitarianism is a much harder sell. It requires us to empathize, to see other groups of people as equally deserving of dignity and quality of life. It requires not always putting ourselves and our needs first. But in the long run, humanitarianism is our only hope. If violence could end violence, if we could put an end to “those other people” once and for all, human history would read very differently than it does.
So yes, I am appalled by the Hamas attacks on Israeli civilians. I am appalled by the suffering of Palestinian civilians in Gaza. Both things can be true. Both things must be true. My thoughts are with all the people who have died, who have lost loved ones, who have had their worlds and their lives shattered, especially the children. More death and violence will not break this cycle, which has been going on for generations. There is no military solution. Even since I first wrote the post, only twenty-four hours ago, the Israeli government’s brutal retaliation against the entire population of Gaza has reached genocidal proportions. This is not only an atrocity. It is folly. Answering misery with misery only creates more fertile ground for extremism, dehumanizing the “other side,” letting hate mongers thrive, stay in power, and reduce us all to our most monstrous impulses. The only real solution is treating each other like equally worthy human beings, and negotiating a peace that allows all parties a chance to live in security and dignity, with hopes for a future that does not include bombs and rockets and gunfire. This means security and support for Israel, yes. It also means a secure Palestine which is allowed to get the international aid and recognition it needs to build a viable state.
Do I think that will happen? Unfortunately, no. Humans are simply too selfish, too ready to blame “the other” for all their problems, too ready to dehumanize, though I also believe, perhaps paradoxically, that most people just want to live their lives in peace and have a chance for their children to have a brighter future. The problem is when we don’t allow other people to have those same hopes and dreams — when it becomes a false choice of us versus them.
What can I do? I will continue to write books that I hope will give young readers some joy. I will resist the urge to demonize entire groups of people. I will call for less violence, not more violence. And when asked whose side I am on, I will tell you I am on the side of humanitarianism.
I'm not sure whether you have a better stance to take when it comes to talking to friends who have close ties to the Israeli side of this conflict, who are afraid for themselves and their family. Because I can't say they're wrong to be afraid and upset, but also there needs to be recognition of what Palestinians have gone through as well. I'm not sure whether you have Jewish friends who support Israel who you've talked about this with, but if you do, how do you handle that?
To be frank, I wish I had the answers for your question but I don't right now. The majority of people in my life are either Pro-Palestine or refuse to talk about the situation saying it's too stressful, which is its own frustration and which I push back on by still talking about it.
The people in my life that are Pro-Israel are at work, which is difficult considering the ethics in this situation are all over the place. How do I support an Israeli client calling for the genocide of an entire race? How do I, as their therapist, validate something that I find so morally repugnant I feel sick to my stomach before every session. How do I deal with working at an organization devoted to helping kids with their mental health when right now one of the most traumatic incidences the world has ever seen is happening right this second?
My workplace has apparently chosen silence and not talking about any of this as its strategy, and I don't know how to navigate it. Do I leave my job and the kids I work with to uphold my morals? Do I stay to help the kids I wanted to support even though they support something I fine reprehensible? Do I ignore it like my workplace does and stay for the kids I can help, where I comparmentalize everything thats been happening so I can help them even though their problems are so small? Do I stay even though every second of silence and refusal to recognize the very real genocide happening right now kills me every single day? I haven't worked it out yet. I don't know how to balance psychology ethics with my own ethics, and I think that's it's own issue.
So I don't have the answers here. I'm much better talking about these things online than I am in person. I have a better reach online than I do in person, which is why I do it so much here. If I had to confront a Pro-Israeli family/friend I know myself and I know I would cry and get angry and I don't know what I would do after that.
So for that, I'd say you're doing better than I am Anon.
Something I have considered though is where do I draw the line for what makes someone a friend or person I want to keep in my life.
And to me, a South Asian woman with an Arabic name from a Muslim family who grew up under the shadow of Post-9/11 Islamophobia in NYC and has devoted her life to working with kids who have trauma, depression, and anxiety, I think I am justified in taking it personally and with great offence if someone is saying the genocide of people I relate to heavily is okay. I think I as a person as a human being can draw the line when I need to.
And I think what gets me is I will talk about it. I refuse to stop.
#not tagging cause too much personal info here sdjkhfdsjkg#i wish i had better answers anon#i dont i feel stuck every day i feel like quitting every day i dont know what to do#and so i guess in that i hope at the very least you take comfort in knowing you aren't alone#but again the best way i've figured out i can help is to talk about this for as long as i can because if i stop i dont think i'd like#the person i would become#also anon ask me this question again after thanksgiving cause im sure that will be a big one#Anonymous#asked and answered
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"you are going to burn in hell if you continue down this path."
Based on the language, I'm guessing anon is a Christian?
I wonder if anon thinks the brutal massacre of Christians all over the Muslim world right now is "a sign from god that you [Christians] need to seriously change your ways."
Or does anon think that reaction is one that only Jews should have when we and ours are the ones being killed?
When our women and children are slaughtered in their own homes and our people abducted at gunpoint.
When our kidnapped babies get killed in captivity and paraded around tiny coffins on stage before a cheering crowd, who are deeply proud of their killing of Jewish babies.
Who BRAG ABOUT killing/harassing/terrorizing us because we're Jews all over Europe, Australia, and the Americas.
WE'RE supposed to look at that and think, 'OH YES, they don't hate us because we're jews, they hate us because we deserve it. Because of Israel."
"Because it's not like Muslims massacre other Muslims and other ethno-religious minorities all over the Middle East and North Africa right now, right??""
What did they do to deserve it?
By anon's logic, all of those mass killings were deserved and we should all "consider this a sign from god that you [the massacred need to seriously change your ways."
But of course anon doesn't think that.
hi, question! why make being a genocide defender your entire personality? lmao
it’s SO easy to be a good person. i cannot fathom how you can support this, how do you see such destruction and still think israel is “the good guy”?
the lack of humanity here amazes me. you are absolutely, completely brainwashed and i hope one day you look back on this with disgust. i can only hope to have some faith in humanity.
like, genuinely, you are going to burn in hell if you continue down this path. consider this a sign from god that you need to seriously change your ways.
you can be jewish and proud, that’s great! doesn’t mean you have to support israel.
have mercy.
Jokes on them, we don't believe in hell!
But seriously, this is just a wonderful example of that thing where pretty much anything these brain geniuses accuse us and Israel of is just telling on themselves. Fighting back and defending yourself after a horrible attack, and trying to get your people back and trying to dismantle the organisation that has vowed genocide of the Jews is genocide, but vowing to commit genocide of the Jews and continuously shooting missiles at civilians, burning Jewish babies in ovens, and raping Jewish women is justified resistance.
Kiss my Jewish ass.
#antisemitism#leftist antisemitism#fuck hamas#fuck anon#the mind-numbing smugness is unbearable#if you're going to crap your hand wanking yourself off to being OH-SO-morally righteous!#AT LEAST be a LITTLE more informed about goings-on in the rest of the Muslim world
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this is embarassing but i want u to know so sorry im anon im just a coward. Im one of the people who said insults about critics and now i think about it ur right, i wasnt address the real problems just hating the group for existing. i went looking after ur post and i see the harasment on both sides now and i thought how dumb itd be to say the fndm is evil bc of some toxic fans and thats what i was doing with rwde. Ill argue the points now on, instead of accuse people of what i assume about them
You're not a coward; this ask proves it. Thank you for telling me, I'm so glad my words reached you. It's big of you to admit, bigger to recognize it as something worth rethinking, and even bigger to seek knowledge and open yourself to a potential change of view. Thank you for that.
I wanna reiterate some things in case I was unclear, because this is a nuanced topic, so please (pretty please) bear with me before passing judgment <3
First, I'm not advocating for ignoring toxicity found in rwde and r/rwbycritics. It DOES exist and it IS a problem. But people tagging me (& others who were supportive/considerate of my pov) in their hate anons to "prove" all critics are evil missed the points I made. Like I've said, I used to think ill of rwby critics as well, and all it takes to solidify a belief is examples that support it. It infuriates me that people would send asks like that, and I'm so sorry to everyone who gets hate. That's not okay.
What I am saying is the existence of hateful people who use a tag doesn't disprove the existence of non-hateful people who use said tag, nor does it make the tag's existence inherently hateful. ("RWDE" was a jokey name made for a place to critique RWBY without being called rude, so people could blacklist the tag.) I could broadcast every hateful person/take I see in the fndm or r/rwby, but it wouldn't prove everyone in the FNDM is like that. It's basic scientific theory.
It's important to be conscious of the toxic behavior in the FNDM as well, but I wasn't trying to say some wishy-washy "there's bad on both sides so it cancels out uwu" or "don't complain about one group's problems if your group has some too" or imply either group is worse than another. Not at all my intention.
Like you said, a lot of the stuff I see in antirwde or in replies to rwde posts isn't about debating opinions on the show, or discussing points they've made to express why they disagree; it's mainly:
A) Unrelated assumptions about the poster's character/beliefs/credibility (i.e. calling someone a n*zi for having an Ironwood profile picture, telling Jewish people who express discomfort with Coco's allusion that they're faking being Jewish just to bash/accuse CRWBY -- ironic to throw around the word n*zi and then tell Jewish fans they're faking discomfort with a character based on a literal n*zi -- telling queer people who wish Bumbleby had been implemented differently that they're "obviously cishet" and shouldn't complain about representation, telling Black people they're secretly white supremacists for saying the way the White Fang was portrayed was harmful, telling disabled people that pointing out ableist messages/rhetoric is ableist, etc., etc., I've seen it all.)
B) Generalizations of the tag and critique as a whole (saying all rwde posters and critics vehemently hate the show, harass CRWBY, are conservatives, homophobes, Trump supporters, fascist bootlickers, etc.) Yes, I've actually seen this. Many times. From people who directly told me they understood it's not all, immediately turning around to post the opposite in the tag.
C) People who are called out for harassment deflecting with "but look at THIS harassment done to ME, that proves I've never sent hate or death threats or doxxed anyone" instead of addressing or reconsidering the hurtful things they've markedly done or said in the past, even when provided with receipts. (I've seen this from both rwde and anti-rwde users, and no I will not name names)
D) People telling critics to shut up and stop watching, not considering that many critics do like the show and that's why they like talking about it, or why certain aspects disappointed them, or why they enjoy coming up with ideas for ways it could've gone they'd have liked to see! People say "we welcome criticism if it's respectful!" and on paper that's great! But in practice I've seen many (not all) of those same people jump to conclusions and insult/mock very respectfully-worded critique. It makes it hard to say anything without being assumed to be part of the htdm.
Even little things like "I wish Ruby's reaction to Yang falling had gotten more focus" get inflammatory comments/asks like "Why do you have to shit on Bumbleby? Actually, don't answer that. I know why. You're a sexist fucking lesbophobe and you probably stan Adam, go die abuse apologist" (that one was mine, despite saying IN THE POST that I liked Blake's reaction and ship Bumbleby)
And when it is addressing a particular qualm someone expressed, it's very, very often just people jumping to impose their headcanons to explain it away and enforcing them as canon, defending CRWBY as though it were an assault (again, not referring to the people who ARE harassing CRWBY, this is about those seeking genuine discussion), and calling OP names/telling them to kill themselves if they "can't see how obvious it is that ___."
To critics, fans, and all who overlap (and tbh just people in general):
If there's a pattern of shittiness in a group, by all means call it out as a prevalent issue! Or vent about your experiences! Try to avoid generalization words like "all" and "every" because they leave little room for change or understanding, and communicate a lack of desire to listen/cooperate, which keeps us from being able to tackle the issue. If there's a point someone makes you'd like to dispute, do so respectfully and engage in open conversation! Even if it's an opinion! It's fun to say "I actually liked ___ because ___" or "interesting, I interpreted it as ___" and spark a conversation. Try to avoid words like "obviously," the intent to prove an opinion "objectively correct," or insulting the person's intelligence (i.e. calling fans braindead/ignorant/simps, calling critics oblivious/bad-faith/bigots), because it shuts down discussion before it can begin.
I've just realized this has gotten really long and tangential, so I'll leave it at that. I don't have a perfect conclusion or an easy summary. It's a complicated topic. To anyone still here, thank you for reading this. I can only hope it doesn't come off too preachy, but I'm bad at conveying tone, so just know I mean it constructively and optimistically <3
[PS: to the person who sent me an anon saying my statement that not all critics have all the same opinions or beliefs is "just like saying 'not all men'" -- I want you to think about that for a minute. Actually, make that an hour. I want an essay on my desk tomorrow explaining why those are not at all the same thing.]
#again thanks for the ask anon#rwby crit#fndm crit#rwde#anti rwde#yes I'm using the two word tag so ppl who have the one word version blacklisted won't think this is anti-rwde#and can actually read it :P#long post#sorry#I'd make a tl;dr but tbh summing it up is hard#and whenever I make a tl;dr I get responses from ppl who clearly didn't read the post saying stuff I addressed in the post#I'm adhd I'm not good at being concise#quinpost#quinanswer#as you may have noticed...#I had some fun with the colors :P#hope it helps this come across with a lighter/more constructive tone#would this be... anti-anti-rwde? XD ignore that it's a passing amusing thought#watch me still get an ask telling me I shouldn't defend harassment or pretend rwde is full of kindness#hopefully not tho <3#I have hope#btw @ my mutuals this isn't a vaguepost @ you jsyk#none of y'all are the people I said I wouldn't name
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random q if you feel like answering: what are your headcannons for enzo? and if you have any, who would your dream actor or actor choices for him be if he appeared on the show?
Is this a gentle nudge to finish my Enzo fic, Anon? If so, you're right, I really should finish that.
Either way, yes, I have many headcanons for Enzo. Most of them either were written into my Enzo and TK fic that covers season 1 or are outlined or written into the yet to be completed chapter, covering season 2.
My version of Enzo (full name Lorenzo Cohen), is a history professor at Columbia University. He's Jewish and his mother is Italian, for reasons that mostly exist for scenes I wrote about TK's childhood. He's lived in New York his entire life and I imagine he and Gwyn met at a fundraiser or maybe an alumni event at Columbia, because Gwyn completing Law School there would make perfect sense. He's traveled a fair bit, both with Gwyn for her business trips and also for his own research and career, but I don't think it's a stretch to say that once TK was in the picture he stayed behind more often and that there was a lot of time with just the two of them.
I've always imagined that due to the nature of his parent's jobs, Enzo was always the one who was there for a last-minute pickup or emergency. I could see TK being resentful of him at first and yeah, maybe it took a while to warm up to this man that his mother was with that was not his dad. But he won him over simply by always being there and actually listening to him in a way neither of his parents really ever did because they were often too distracted by their jobs. I'd also always figured that after Owen's second wife (who we now know was named Lorainne) came into the picture, TK appreciated Enzo all the more.
He's steady and calm with a very dry sense of humor and he doesn't hate Owen, but he acknowledges that they are very, very different people. The only redeeming quality he finds in Owen is that while he's not the best parent some days he does really love his son, and that's enough for Enzo to make sure that they stay civil; for TK and Gwyn's sake if nothing else. He loves Gwyn but never pushed the marriage issue with her. They discussed it I'm sure but I could see her saying she didn't want to do that again and that was fine with him. He didn't care what their label was, as long as they were together. That has never stopped him from referring to TK as his stepson though. Even when he and Gwyn canonically separated in season 2, he didn't change that. It's the only way he can think to describe the relationship he and TK have in a way that makes sense to anyone else.
I've long had the idea that Enzo was the first person TK came out to. Not because he didn't trust either of his parents, but because Enzo was there. Maybe he also figured if it went badly at least he would know and would just never bring it up to either of his parents. Obviously, it did not go bad and that pushed him to do that with his parents too, as soon as he got the chance. I'm assuming TK probably got into some trouble as a teenager (I had always assumed that maybe he had started with drugs then but according to the show that might not be the case) so yeah he, and Enzo had their struggles too because dealing with a teenager who is determined to find trouble is never easy. Especially if he was acting out to get someone's attention and it never really worked. But Enzo never stopped showing up and even through all the teen angst, TK appreciated that.
I am terrible at the fancast questions, but @iboatedhere has suggested Timothy Olyphant, and I could see that. A friend and I joked about John Stamos back when Enzo was first mentioned because he seems like someone who would just irritate Owen to no end, and that would be fun. I did do some thinking to try and submit my own I came up with Josh Duhamel and Dulé Hill. Both would be great (and Dulé Hill would continue the trend of West Wing alums so he gets a few extra bonus points) and I enjoy them both, but I think they might be a little too young. But that's the only point against them, and I think they could work around that.
#asked and answered#anonymous#911ls headcanons#Enzo#911 lone star#tk strand#clearly I have many thoughts on this character who has been mentioned maybe 3 times#but I do eventually plan to have a 3 part fic done from his perspective so it only makes sense
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Is Aiden bisexual? No hate or problems with that I’m a lesbian myself but just curious I’ve seen him in a few gay roles and he seems slightly fem so just wondering
While he has never said "I'm straight", I'm pretty sure he's just straight.
He's played many gay characters. I was waiting for him to be harassed for playing gay characters while being straight and while he hasn't been harassed yet that I know of, he has recently been asked about what he thinks about being a straight man playing gay characters.
This was his answer one of the times:
"It just depends – if there are people from a certain bracket of society who never get to play themselves then that is an issue. Then you had the debate about whether Hellen Mirren, a non-Jewish person, should have played the former Israeli prime minister, Golda Meir. If you got into all of that, actors would be quite limited in what they can do – and you shouldn’t be limited by your religious background or your ethnicity or your sexual preference.”
If he were bisexual, I'd think he'd stand up for himself and say, "I'm not a straight actor playing a queer character."
Several people over the years have wondered if Aidan was bisexual because he's played so many gay characters, but I'm 100% positive, in my own opinion, that he's straight.
And here's why:
He's never been linked to a man romantically. He's never said he's interested in men. (But he is an open ally to the LGBTQIA+ community. His trans son is a part of that community.) Also, if you watch his kiss scenes with women vs. men, it's beyond obvious to me that his kisses with men are very mechanical. Nowhere near as sensual as when he kisses women. To be honest, anon, his kisses with men are awful lol If I had to judge his kissing ability based solely on his kisses with men, I would think he was a shitty kisser. I really would. A lot of people think his scenes in Queer As Folk are hot, but they're so not. And it's not because he's kissing and having sex with men, it's because he looks really fucking bad at it. Maybe the people who think it looks good don't have much sexual experience? I dunno but it looks like shit.
Also, any time he's ever mentioned boyhood crushes, or being a horny teenager, he only talks about pining after women.
Because of his roles, and because yes, he is a bit effeminate, many people have asked the same question.
I'm pretty sure he's just an old, straight white man. But a pretty damn cool one.
#seriously he and i would make a great couple#hes a fem straight boy and im a masculine straight girl#people always think im a lesbian when they first see me#cant judge a book by its cover#not all stereotypes are accurate
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I don't agree with you about morg but I also really really don't agree with whate he's encouraging
and to be honest I don't think I even have the full story from both sides from morg has said it does sound like you are in the wrong but he should not be encouraging harassment and I just don't know
I'm really sorry that you are being harassed and I really hope that you aren't being worn down from this
Here's my side/version of events as simply as I can put them. It's not to will you to my side or anything, just a way to show how I've seen things devolve:
Morg has always been a bit controversial, drawing negative and positive attention from how he acts. I'd been following him for a bit, through one suicide attempt, but I stopped following him as he turned his anger against neurodivergent individuals derailing his posts and sending him harmful messages and towards nd and mentally ill people in general.
After I unfollowed him, I made a post that was untagged and not directed to anything or anyone in particular about how the mental/physical disability divide feels a lot like the transandrophobia discourse recycled. That got noticed, drawing Morg into an argument with me. I blocked him for my own sanity as I tend to constantly dig if I get obsessive.
I do not know if he blocked me. After I blocked him, I ignored his blog entirely because I know he also has a tendency to beat an idea to death and how he likes to talk. I continue the discourse, giving my own opinions.
Spider receives an ask from Morg stating that they have "won". Spider points out that this is manipulative behavior and I personally recognize the wording for exactly what it is. I was following him during a previous suicide attempt, and I click over to check and yes, he is talking about being suicidal. Alternating between everyone hating him and how he won't kill himself because of people disliking him.
At no point did I ever encourage, insinuate, or say that he is unjustified in his anger about the derailments or that his pain isn't real or even that he's doing this manipulation on purpose. There was poor wording where I said "apparent suicide" meaning obvious, but I know it can be and was taken poorly. I have only wished him to get help, at most stating he needs to go offline for awhile to get away from the hate and to protect his followers.
I write up a post about how this is manipulative behavior and isn't healthy for him or his followers. Someone must've told him because he later posts a screenshot of the post and reblogs it with a photo of him holding a bottle of pills. I had been checking his blog a couple of times to see what he was doing and that affected me. I stopped checking his blog.
During this time I was starting to receive an uptick in hatemail myself. Something that only has happened before when my baeddel video got picked up and spread around or sometimes if a TERF decides they want to scratch an itch. The hatemail was pretty obviously tied to my statements on Morg's behavior.
I also lost a mutual (Kirin) who cares about Morg, and at some point they heard from an anon that I had apparently called them white. This was not true, as I'd started talking with Kirin through a DM discussion on if the pink triangle can be reclaimed by gentiles. Through the conversation, they explained that they have access to older Jewish communities that don't share their opinions online, and I picked up that they are not from the US and not white. After that conversation, I stopped discussing the pink triangle altogether out of respect for this new information.
This mistake was pointed out and they unblocked me long enough to apologize, deleted the angry posts they had made regarding the situation, then blocked me again.
I'm only mentioning this because this week Kirin has made a post alleging that we had an anti-semitic argument and that I called them white several times. It's not true, and if I had access to our old DMs I could prove it.
An anonymous person, presumably one of the people who regularly send him hatemail, started messaging me. I turned anon off for about four days after I told this individual that they're a hateful person and are going against everything I believe.
I checked his blog periodically until a mutual friend took over and let everyone know that he was all right and focusing on his mental health. Relieved, I left it alone, assuming he would be offline and glad he has a support system irl.
After all this happened, I waited a couple days and made a video discussing the situation and how it affected me. How it reminded me of my previous behavior and how seeing it play out, I can understand better how badly I hurt people in my past. I also talk about how liveblogging your suicide is harmful by talking about 13 Reasons Why and how not all people can "just unfollow" a person they care about. I published this to my youtube channel and then linked it here as a sort of summation and concluding thoughts of the events.
Earlier this week, Spider received a series of asks with scat fetish porn. They assumed it was linked to their public donation of any profit they've made off cripplepunk merch and tied to Morg in some way. I made a post groaning that Morg was still doing this before checking his blog and continuing to complain at seeing that he was indeed back and still doing the same shit.
Someone asked me if they wanted to know who Morg is. I linked the video since it sorta broke down everything that happened before. Here again, I'd like to tell you that the video had 39 views. This post I made got picked up by Morg, drawing us into this current drama. I chose to unblock him since he had screenshotted me in the past and that had affected me a lot more than I was letting on here on tumblr.
There is an argument, and he reblogs the post with the video link. He starts a series of block, unblock, reblog, block in a petty way to get to my posts directly without fear of reprisal. I block him in turn and laugh at his antics publicly. Meanwhile, the post with the video link is being spread around (when logged in I can only see half of the notes so it's not even by people 'on my side'), filling my notifications. I'm starting to get harassed by anons again -- tying neatly into the theory that these people are coming from his blog as the level of harassment I get becomes a thing when he talks about me. And at least the TERFs make it obvious they're TERFs. A lot of this is either about the video or insults about my appearance, age, and intelligence.
This is where I start tagging posts with his name "morg". I avoided cockdealer or cock-dealer because I've had to abandon believed blog names due to my bullshit and idk if morg is a nickname or w/e. It's the name he goes by online. I wanted to make sure people could block the drama if they wanted.
One anon suggests I unlist the video since I use his name and mention is blog. I agree because these were mistakes I made, and it is still currently unlisted. I disagree with deleting it because I stand by the points I've made in it. I have since limited my talk about this to publishing asks I get as well as asking for screenshots of certain actions.
Idk everything Morg is doing, but I know he's stated an intent to sue me, has openly told his followers to send me hatemail, stated I doxxed him by using information he has publicly published, constantly made fun of me for being 29, encouraged people to send me porn, and believes that people leaked his posts to me prior to all of this happening. I know he's openly lied about things I've said and he's erased Spider's physical disability to fit his narrative, so I wouldn't be surprised if he's erased mine as well, especially as I'm a small blog (300 followers) who does not care to disclose in a pinned post his medical history.
So that's everything that I can think of. I'm sure someone will let me know if I've forgotten anything. I hope even this biased summary kinda helps clarify the drama going down.
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