#wtnv the boy

[koszmarnybudyn]

So that was something...

Oh also more cover art esque version:

[falenminds-blog]

wtnv ep 244 - a multiplicity of kevin, in one image:

[jup1tersparx]

fractured reflection

fucking. the fact that they were born as the same person and the only reason they’re so different is because of what was done to them and nature vs nurture and the fact that theyre probably the only ones who could truly understand each other. yaknow

[kevin--of-desert-bluffs]

Either answer based on what you currently think or what you like the look of the best. Reblog for exposure!

[fluctuating-fanby]

No sign of Kevin (not surprised), but hey, Tamika's here, that should be fun!

..........OH GODS I TOTALLY FORGOT SHE HAD THE BOY WITH HER

Well this is a frustrating Schrodinger's cat where either there *is* no Kevin and never was, OR he's been here in a strange form this whole time!

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...I'm gonna force myself to stop obsessing over what-ifs because I don't think I could take it if they were just messing with us.

[egobraindeath]

the confrontation between Kevin and baby Kevin in 244 is very Adelaide and Red’s final confrontation from Jordan Peele’s “Us”. Adelaide’s more animalistic and feral strikes to Red’s calculated slices and gracefully dodging Adelaide is literally kevin^2’s dynamic during the fight.

also something something doubles confronted and one of them is a child/ smth happened when they were a child I dont know

[kevin--of-desert-bluffs]

Hire me I'll sort it lol

I recall once that one of them said that the only reason there is a Whispering Forest is because they wrote someone walking into a forest due to forgetting THAT THEY SET WTNV IN A DESERT.

So...yes. I can absolutely believe that they're trucking along having forgotten a good chunk of what they already laid out.

When Triptych rolled around, it was very compelling, and seemed to explain in some small ways the greater complexity of Kevin as a character. Maybe many of us would have been satisfied if that was all we got.

The information we have surrounding Kevin as a character is disjointed at best past the Triptych episode. The fact of his prophethood, for example, which was never brought up during the Strex Arc because they just thought it would sound neat in It Devours! (or so it felt). The hints that he was able to travel to the DOW as a child could explain that, if we say he wrote his first info about a Smiling God as a child, and that the religion wasn't really founded by Kevin but brought into favour by him in DB.

(Is the centipede actually the Smiling God IS still up for debate even within the canon, with the answer likely being no, which joy of joys actually makes sense because in earlier episodes they say a Smiling God takes on the form of a vast light when in the DOW not a centipede).

There's also some patreon stuff which lines up with Triptych but vaguely with everything else like Kevin sometimes comtemplating who he'd have been without Strex changing him but that's dubiously canon if the VAs were allowed to adlib.

As for 'Kevin is his own father'. No, I don't think so. As someone pointed out, you'd have to wrap around and explain then how this new younger Kevin will end back up in DB, raised by different people and eventually how StrexCorp will reform (with, somehow, Lauren in it) and send him through the same timeline again. (Come to think of it how does Kevin end up alone for decades as the end of Triptych states...)

Otherwise this is a paradox which is going to rip the universe apart. (If I were Nazr right now I'd be so fucking pissed, not allowed to date a Frances from another universe but some guy can raise a kid version of himself just fine? Sure because that makes sense).

Even if the Boy is from a completely different timeline and will grow into a completely different Kevin, creating with it it's own timeline this counts as paradox according to previous NV logic. I know people will say 'NV breaks it's logic all the time!' but maybe it's time we start thinking that this is actually an error in the way it's written and maybe it's fine to find it quite frustrating when it seems to backfire quite badly on a plot or character? It's not like...the Simpsons where continuity issues are fine because the episodes mainly exist just to give you an entertaining story idea. WTNV is, technically, supposed to still be a complete narrative about a town which theoretically exists and is being reported on. Even things which seem odd have usually been explained by time-based-shenanigans.

Time-based-shenanigans which currently really shouldn't be happening post 'NV is becoming normal and time works again' in theory.

Which again leads me to...this absolutely cannot be a timeloop. Too much would have to be reset in the world. They'd have to literally be going back and forth in time and making sure certain awful things happen to Kevin to get to the point where he adopts himself again. We can only take 'maybe Kevin was lying about or had false memories of things from Strex etc' so far.

I look at the lines the adult Kevin says about his father and I wonder if he wasn't trying to hint that maybe his father was another him and this is the first instance of this happening (which still means he was absolving an abusive father but I guess it's his choice to do that), thus hopefully setting The Boy onto a good path (or...as good as one can get living in the DOW and being raised in that religion controlled and dictated by a father who is Not Okay And Never Will Be and has been twisting the religion for some time it seems).

But that leads to more questions like - how is The Boy's other timeline thus affected(how did he even get here? I was so sure it was actually the DOW Kevin accidentally de-aged through Carlos' dodgey portal man I wish that had been more true and actually given Kevin a chance to grow up OK)? Because previous episodes have shown that people skipping universes changes and destroys a good amount of things. The only way this could be an exception is if it were in fact a timeloop which needed to be stable in order to be maintained which brings us back to the questions about Lauren and Strex re-existing again.

Maybe if Kevin has been hopping through universes all his life he could accidentally come out in one pre-everything we went through in the course of the show and thus start it all anew. Tragic if so. BUT I also seem to recall something about the universes all becoming one? But that might have been a negative affect that needed to and was stopped but if not it would rule this out completely.

Buuuuut do I think the writers were thinking of it that way anyway? That they actually wanted to tie all the bits together and knew where and what all those bits were?

The Whispering Forest only exists because they forgot their 'friendly desert community' was in fact, in a desert.

the wtnv writing team should hire one autistic person who is fixated on wtnv to fact check all the details. i dont know how theyve lost their ducks so badly. especially the weird things happening with kevin and his history, which is actually the reason that my theory that kevin being his own father for generations kind of works. it would explain why he said he grew up in desert bluffs too. either that or maybe hes just lying lmao.

i think im an optimist though because a very large part of me wants to believe that the writers have a plan and that every inconsistency has a reason and that might not even be true. it could be that theyve been doing this since 2012 and cant keep that many ducks in a row anymore, which would be a fair excuse.

which leads back to my first point that they need an autistic person for fact checking reasons.

[lesbomaticlove]

youll never guess what podcast i started listening to

[asydicsydney]

The new episode brings back up the question, what is Cecil's full name?

Most of us assume Gershwin is his middle name, but there's always been confusion on if it's actually a hyphenated last name (Gershwin-Palmer)

On the WTNV site you can find a list of character names and how they're spelled, and it's not hyphenated there

But if you search through the scripts, it's a mixed bag

Yes, he is more often referred to as Cecil Gershwin Palmer, but it's always when he refers to himself (33, 65, 127, 182, 206)

Wheras, others always refer to him as Gershwin-Palmer. Lubelle in 225 calls him "Mr. Gershwin-Palmer" twice, Sara Iyer of the Purrrcast in 190 receives an email from "Cecil Gershwin-Palmer", and Station Management in 217 address a memo to "Cecil Gershwin-Palmer"

The only outlier is when Cecil himself is naming Khoshekh in 159 "Khoshekh Gershwin-Palmer", which is where this whole debate even started I believe

But, now with Esteban referring to Cecil's father as "Grampa Gershwin", the issue has been dug back up

Could it be because Cecil seems to not be mentally able to retain any information on his father, that he just assumes Gershwin is his middle name? Perhaps he 'accidentally' writes a hyphen on any important documents like the cat show entry forms or an inquiring email to a podcast? Or perhaps it's still up to viewer interpretation, like most of the show

[forgetful-dorito]

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[tv-sparkle]

bill watterson’s iconic newspaper comic strips ... kevin and tamika

[dramazaur]

Im just here to repost my wtnv fanart that i made year ago!! I absolutely love this fandom and it makes me so, so, so happy to see that it gets revived and Cecil dethrones Sans as the true, real, and absolutely the best tumblr sexyman. God damn im gonna need to draw him again, im sorry commissioners, this one is very important

[falenminds-blog]

cecil: ... and just now she called me to tell me that he is holding a knife.

my brain *immediately*:

[just-french-me-up]

Ancient tumblr users upon hearing absolutely mad statements such as "who the fuck is cecil palmer" or "cecil aint hot"

[kevin--of-desert-bluffs]

The Boy theories aka *incoherent screaming*

It's all under cut for spoiler free but aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

I'm working on three possibilities right now, with only one being truly likely and the other two being wild guesses. I'll start with the most likely one.

One) As Carlos says, there is a lot of disturbance between the desert otherworld and Night Vale due to the vast time differences. When trying to open a portal there, they either accidentally or on purpose pulled Kevin though. Kevin went through a temporal disturbance, resulting in him being aged back to a child again.

Now, Kevin's memory has always been terrible especially in regards to his childhood (it's the trauma), but this was made even worse by the disturbance which also seems to have changed his...how to phrase it uh, maturity? Like mentally, he began to understand the world as a child would too. If a weird one.

He's very clearly remembering something divine though. We can assume it's something either to do with a Smiling God directly communicating and shaping Kevin, or something to do with Strex's brainwashing programme (also using a Smiling God) in which case he'd be remembering his brainwashing time.

Unfortunately or fortunately this means he cannot fully escape what he became, this isn't really 'starting over' unless others step in to guide him to start over, to become Kevin again but a better healthier Kevin. He is holding a knife, but he's not doing anything, it's almost a comfort item, something that could be used but isn't being. I believe he doesn't want to hurt anyone. I also believe he might not be able to stop himself and that Tamika's idea of therapy was the best one.

I believe he remembers everything somewhere and has directly quoted Carlos because of this. He will continue to age to match his supposed-to-be current age (whatever that is) or at least adulthood. It feels like they were hinting at that anyway but we'll see. How he reacts to this will be turbulant and difficult. It's a lot to take in especially when he feels new but also not new as a person. This might be the version that becomes the old unhappy version for all we know. I don't believe he's going to hurt Cecil, but wanted them to be completely alone to talk. Cecil is, after all, his double. Now he's not a boy any more, but a confused teen/man we have to wonder if he's remembering more too.

Two) The Boy is Kevin but also Not Kevin. He is a mix of Kevin and something else mixed with Kevin, also because of Carlos messing with the bond between the worlds. This could be the Kevin who is in the desert otherworld, or even a Kevin from somewhere else, one of many possible Kevin's. For example, the younger Kevin who used to apparently sit at the top of the lighthouse at the end of Frown Night.* The Boy's mother is Huntokar and that's why he doesn't want to talk about her? I don't know if I actually believe that or it just seems cool tbh. Either way he was quite literally only created the moment they found him, this entity mixed with a real person who exists to cause harm but perhaps does not want to, or may not be able to not do so.

Three) He's literally the version of Kevin that used to sit on the lighthouse in the desert otherworld at the end of Frown Night. Or is literally a Kevin from any number of other timelines. Either way confirming that Kevin has been touched by a Smiling God for a long time.

Four) It's none of these at all and they're going to pull something completely wild on us

[justaferalguy]

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