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I have realized there's very few people actually doing Automatic Language Growth as Marvin Brown made it, pretty much only Thai AUA and ALGworld and Comprehensible Thai (on youtube) and their related school/teachers. So if you aren't studying Thai then you probably won't run into pure ALG lessons/study program unless you make it yourself. Pure ALG is only going to be reasonable when doing a program, if you happen to already be in an ALG school. I have found very few people doing pure ALG on their own, outside of ALG programs, and few have posted results and experiences. (So if you wish to read/hear about experiences, David Long on youtube who did ALG Thai, and a few other youtubers and redditors doing ALG Thai, are the best resource).
Dreaming Spanish is not purely ALG according to certain ALG enthusiasts, but it is the closest thing you'll find that's hugely popular in the English speaking sphere. Dreaming Spanish is welcoming even if you have taken classes before, and even if you still use other study methods alongside it. So I do recommend it if you like it. With the caveat you Remember that for goals involving listening, reading, speaking, writing, you DO eventually need to do things to practice all of those goals. Dreaming Spanish Roadmap mentions starting to read and speak at Level 6 of the roadmap, and anecdotally learners on r/dreamingspanish mention eventually reading 1-3 million words, speaking 200 hours, and working with a tutor/friend or a WritingStreak writing group for practicing writing in prep for B2 or C1 tests. So if you plan to reach goals in all 4 skill areas, eventually you will want to do those things too.
(And I would say that most people who have done Dreaming Spanish who are going viral lately for 1000-2000 hours and can't speak well, probably just haven't practiced 200 hours speaking yet, or have not read 1-3 million words yet. I'd argue a lot are actually A2-B1 level already in speaking even before 200 hours of speaking practice, but since a lot of people claim they'll "speak as well as a native speaker" they're getting torn to shreds online, because A2-B1 - or even B2 to C1 after 200+ hours of speaking - is not as good as a native speaker. I think Dreaming Spanish changed it's roadmap as it now has B2 level skills as it's Level 7 description. But certain ALG enthusiasts love to say perfect pure ALG results in speaking as well as native speakers, and then those enthusiasts say Dreaming Spanish is NOT pure ALG enough and that's why the results are imperfect. But B1 is fucking GREAT for never having spoken before, and B2 after 200 hours of speaking practice is excellent as far as I'm concerned. Dreaming Spanish roadmap is 1500 hours for B2, and FSI Estimates 1200 hours for B2 in Spanish when accounting for 40 hours a week - self study and class time - at 30 weeks. Those estimates are in the same ballpark. Expect it to take 1000-2000 hours to get to B2 in Spanish no matter what route you take to study.)
And don't get me started on the purist ALG enthusiasts... I read Marvin Brown's book. And I honestly think he did NOT guarantee you would become as good as a native speaker! I think the ALG schools may market themselves using such language though, so maybe that's where the misunderstanding comes from - and David Long in particular did pure ALG, runs an ALG Thai school, and definitely claims he speaks as well as a native... though I'm not sure. I've seen other anecdotal reports of students who did ALG Thai school, and they got B2 active skills results (C1 comprehension) in around 2000-3000 hours - Pablo Roman, and ALGWorld blog posts. Not "results like a native speaker," B2-C1 level. I think Marvin Brown himself... himself... thought any adult learner could NOT learn to speak as well as a native, due to all the years they've learned about grammar in their native language and in other languages. I think Marvin Brown's theory of permanent damage and a learning ceiling, was based on his own experience of fossilized mistakes and things he could not stop mentally thinking about before speaking/could not spontaneously produce. Basically, I think Marvin Brown did not claim any adult learner could learn to speak just like a native speaker... I think he said theoretically IF you did ALG perfectly, and had no prior experience analysing languages then maybe you could get the best result possible. But almost all adults have done grammar revision on essays in school, so they already have a ceiling on the results they can achieve, according to his theory. Maybe Brown's ALG school claimed it could give students "native speaker like results" and it's false marketing is still plaguing ALG theory. I'm going to say... probably. Hey if a school says THEY can give you native like results, sure do it if you want to spend your money, and hold the school accountable if the results are worse than they claimed. But if you're doing ALG on your own? Expect B2 overall results if you do the hours they recommend, then speak for a couple hundred hours after you feel ready to speak (after 1000 hours of listening), read a lot once you've done a lot of listening, and practice writing once you are practicing speaking. Expect realistic results - B2. Not "as good as a native speaker," and you can't be let down later.
#rant#alg#alg method#alg theory#dreaming spanish#i am very frustrated to say i can find NO ONE sharing progress for pure ALG outside of Thai learners#and certain ALG enthusiasts strictly say what they think is ALG and what ALG 'will result in' and#have not read Browns book... have not shared their supposedly 'perfect' results... and have put down ALG Thai learners who make mistakes#as if those ALG Thai learners 'didnt do it well enough'#its quite... rude...#if you are interested in ALG? i recommend either take ALG Thai#if you want the actual experience. or do Dreaming Spanish#or the DS Roadmap for a language youd like to learn and be aware it is not ALG and purist ALGers will probably insult you -.-
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Glasses Update! . Also, an acknowledgment that I can’t selfie and this took way too long. . So they have been super helpful with longer stays on the laptop. I can spend much more time as I need or want. . #writingstreak , heck yeah. Playing #sims4 , heck yeah. . Not great for pictures though, but they aren’t *exactly* for that. So that *is* okay. . All and all they have been very helpful for this trigger. They haven’t completely removed it. But hey, I’ll take something that works over something that doesn’t in my arsenal any day. . . . #bluelightfilter #glasses #update #menieresdisease #menieresdiseaseawareness #menieresawareness #meniereshelp #chronicillness #invisibledisability #amwritingdystopian #vestibularmigraines #vm #vmwarrior #supportwriters #supportauthors #justkeepwriting #fullofstories #womanwriter #writeeveryday #writingislife #ikilledyouinmynovel #ilovewriting #writingabook #finishingthatdraft #writingaseries #storytelling https://www.instagram.com/p/Bz--tqpg8Yu/?igshid=7agflbh3tl12
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How Do I Type So Fast?
I’ve been told before that my writing speed is… pretty fast!
When I’m sprinting, it’s not uncommon for my resulting word count to be 1,000 words more than it was 20 minutes ago. My WPM is usually around 50, with Google saying 40 is average.
But when you’re writing dialog and trying to figure out characterization, plot, etc., it’s easy for that number to drop. (For me especially, that moment comes when a scene has just finished and I have to figure out what to write next.)
So, how do I do it? Just to be clear, this isn’t to brag or talk down to others, but to maybe help those who want to write faster and to answer that question I sometimes get handed and never know what to do with.
1. Be prepared to “kill your darlings” later.
If you edit as you write, you might want to get the word choice right the first time. But being nitpicky with your language slows you down! Have an idea of what you want to say and write down whatever fits or is semi-sensical knowing it will need a thorough cleanup later.
However, writing faster in this fashion means you also need to be okay with a longer editing process later. I would much prefer more editing because, as Jodi Picoult once said, “You might not write well every day, but you can always edit a bad page. You can't edit a blank page.”
2. Know your keyboard and good posture.
Being able to type without looking at your keyboard is useful. I also often type sitting at a desk with my laptop, since holding my phone isn’t as comfortable and I’m more likely to type autocorrected mistakes.
I’ll be the first to ask, who nowadays has good posture? But try not to hunch over. I like to have my feet resting on an ottoman of sorts or, if I’m laying down, stretched out in front of me with the laptop on my lap. The essential thing is that the lip of the laptop doesn’t cut into my wrists or make typing uncomfortable. Your hands have to be comfortable to reach maximum typing capacity. (P.s., Don’t forget wrist stretches!)
The more optimal your typing ability, the more accurate it will be, the fewer mistakes you’ll make, and thus fewer visits to the backspace key.
3. Begone, distractions. I have a 20-minute date with a timer.
It’s just me and my beloved writingstreak.io, usually paired with Discord’s Sprinto. I set the timer for 20 minutes, keep my timer and text box in view, and go ham. I might listen to music, I might have discord open, but I’m not breaking eye contact with my document if I can help it.
If you really want to write faster, then you’re going to have to cut out distractions and be focused on your writing, hence why sprints are so crucial. They might also help you focus on your story more.
People have asked me, “How do you think that fast?” And honestly, it’s probably because I’m not thinking about anything else. When you’re laser-focused on your characters and what’s happening in their world, it’s easier to piece together their series of events and ignore what’s happening around you.
I understand if that’s not completely possible, but whatever little bit helps, from finding a room alone or being around other people, whatever works best for you to get into The Zone.
P.s. If you want a more intense version of writingstreak or Sprinto, Write or Die and The Most Dangerous Writing App also exist. And honorable mention to Written Kitten, which I always use to strip my text from Word when pasting into Discord.
4. Know what you’re going to write.
This overlaps with No. 1, but really. If you're puzzling over how a scene is going to play out, then time is ticking away without you. But if you’re motivated and the scene is a vivid painting in your mind, then you’ll have an easier time translating that image to paper. Again, it doesn’t have to be 1:1 the first time, just has to exist.
I usually have one scene in mind but so many ideas have been swimming in my mind lately that in the chance that I finish my one scene, I move onto another or start outlining what happens next.
5. Rely on what works for you.
For me, this means sprints, outlines, and crutch phrases. It means throwing in a few, “I’LL FIX THIS LATER!”s when necessary. I’m not above skipping over whole scenes that I know I want to edit as I write later, but I have also written some really ugly things just to have the thought out there. There are things that have had to be rewritten or scenes that I wrote twice then cobbled together because it’s helped my brain determine the best way to write it.
So yeah, I usually keep an outline written down for a multi-chaptered work so I know where I’m headed, then I follow my brain for the rest of it or start with some of the skeleton in front of me so I can build off it.
As for crutch phrases… admit it, you probably have one or two. Sometimes you put it down when you don’t know what else to say. Don’t deny your brain those words! Let it go with the flow and see where it takes you. Then, later, you can Command (or Ctrl) + F to find all those suckers and take them out.
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I hope some of that was useful. There’s probably more that I forgot to mention here but that is everything I could remember. The longer you write, the more you’ll find what works best for you. If you want to get faster though, dedication is key. Try applying strategies to get there and find opportunities to practice. (NaNoWriMo is coming up in November, after all.)
Fast typing isn’t for everybody and if you write slower, you should still be proud! You’re still producing work that other people will love and the road to getting there looks different for everyone — there’s no right or wrong way to write fic, just what suits your needs best.
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New achievement! 12 weeks writing spree. 😁 #writingstreak #writing #wordpress #grammarly #writersofinstagram #writersofinsta #achievement
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That moment when you're getting #hungry but you're on a #writingstreak so you wanna keep going. #writerproblems #writersofinstagram #writersoftumblr #writeon #ineedfood #howaminotskinnyfromthis #writerscommunity #thestruggleisreal #mychildrenliveonpaper (at Fort Wayne, Indiana)
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Name: Hannah
Height: ~5′2″
Favorite Color: Pink!
Zodiac: Western- Capricorn, Chinese- Tiger
Aesthetic: Space, dyed hair, 80s music
Alternate Blogs: @writingstreak, @apertures-finest, @sadmachine-comic, all of which are p inactive bc no motivation/interaction rip
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Hair Color: light brown with fading blue dye
Instruments: I used to play piano, clarinet, and bass clarinet, but I’ve fallen out of playing music in favor of just listening. Though I’ve always wanted to learn the guitar
Do you get asks?: It’s extremely rare
Planned Job: Animator/working in the animation industry
Favorite Game: Portal or basically any major Nintendo franchise
Favorite Animal: Owl
Fandoms: Gravity Falls, SU, Disney, Nintendo
Number of Followers: 189, most of which are probably inactive
Favorite Band: NSP
Random Fact: I’ve been to Disney World 9 times
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My writing streak continues. Oh, and please do stay tuned to my blog. Exciting stuff is on the way. Keep watching this space. 😉😁😁😁 #grammarly #writingstreak #amwriting #blogging #announcement
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