#with this I say goodbye to the fandom
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going through some old logs, and I need you to understand just how truly unhinged early 2010s RP omegle was.
genuinely you could stay on there for hours with just one person, hashing out complex traumatic backstories, drawn-out love confessions, detailed action scenes...collaboratively describing graphic violence, past abuse, comfort, hurt/comfort, hurt/no comfort, any number of sex acts...and then one of you would be like, "oh haha it's 2AM! I have to sleep :(" and the other person would say, "omg saaaame. :( gnight!!!" and then you'd exit the chat and never speak to each other again, and this was. fine.
you could just spend an entire evening shoving your wretched, bleeding soul into a chat log with someone you'd never meet or learn the name of, achieve some form of emotional catharsis, and then go about your day or night like this was an average way to spend your time.
I'm really normal about this, actually
#sbs rambles#omegle#it wasn't always serious ofc. there was a lot of lighthearded silliness#but I usually went in for the darker sadder stuff that built up to a happy ending#there's really a special form of intimacy when you and an internet stranger are each controlling a fictional character#and describing them doing things like bandaging each other's wounds#checking each other for bruises. asking them to talk about what they've been through. great stuff!#I hope there are still places where people do stuff like this. like I know there are forums and servers for this but that's not the same.#and I mean. I keep thinking ''there must be other places like this!'' but then I remember the goodbye message when omegle shut down#and...I dunno. the internet is different now#we don't live in that world anymore#anyway if you ever RP'd sherlock stuff on omegle you might have talked to me. :) we might have written something together#and despite it being superwholock-era fandom “cringe”#I'm proud of that#that was a really important part of my life#it was fun :) though I definitely had issues I wasn't willing to confront yet lmao#and I wish I had saved more of the logs :/#oh! I also liked the moments where you'd have to take a break#like you could be right in the middle of something intense and then the other person would be like#(brb I have to finish making dinner for my husband) and you'd say (sure!)#and then 20mins later you'd start up again where you left off
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Ted Lasso, the character, is one of the only representations of 'sometimes getting better with your mental health issues means that you are less visibly happy, and that is okay, because you are not required to be happy in order to be loved' out there and I am really discouraged that so much of the audience is angry at that.
#ted lasso#the guy we meet in season one is so so so much sadder and is suffering so much more#than the guy we say goodbye to in season three#but the guy in season three doesn't crack as many jokes and doesn't grin and laugh at every opportunity#I really didn't expect the fandom to interpret that as 'he's even worse off than before!'#when the fact is that when you're able to have an inherent sense of self-worth rather than relying on Doing Everything Right#that you become less manic about making sure everyone likes you all the time#which is what ted did for the first two seasons#I dunno I just wish there was more room for this kind of character#and... for this kind of person#believe mothereffers#theodore lasso
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congrats 2 henry peglar for being the only bitch confirmed as to be Fucking That Old Man
#the heron giveth#the terror#alright here come the funny tags#bridglar#briglar#people spell it both ways i think. ill do both hujst to be safe#henry peglar#john bridgens#uh um um. uh#peglar x bridgens#THIS FEELS WEIRD. TO TYPE#bridgens x peglar#alright im done good GRIEF#this isnt even that extreme compared to the shit people are putting on ao3 about these two. god.#anyways hi ive watched this show maybe 7 or 8 times? only just recently have i gotten hooked on them#the scripts make me go nuts too. ''they were lovers in their pasts'' shut the fuck up dont say that to me ill start crying#this is the most risque thing i have ever posted on here#getting out of the fandom game for a while rewired my brain i have to get weird again. and boy do they make me feel weird !#i have a number of terror mutuals who r gonna go nuts over this. fuck yes a little bowl of seeds for me style#this looks blurry posting it hopefully tumblr doesnt crunch the shit out of the quality anyways im done typing goodbye
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Quotes from Kieran that straight-up sound like Shakespearean love poetry: a comprehensive list
‘None may touch me. None but you.’
‘What is left of my heart belongs to you. When you leave, it will shatter anew.’
‘Tell me I did not hurt you.’
‘How am I expected to pass another century without the taste of you on my tongue?’
‘After so many decades spent hating each sunset, knowing nightfall would take my freedom from me... I began to yearn for the moonrise instead of cursing it. Because dreams of you might be waiting on the other side.’
‘I would rather be cursed to roam the wilds as a beast every night than live endless lifetimes without you.’
‘Wherever it is that souls may go, you will find mine waiting for you at the end of all things.’
‘You shall pay dearly for every spilled drop of her blood.’
‘I was not lying. Were you?’
‘Just this once, beloved... I wish you could not lie.’
‘You hold all of my heart, beloved. Now, and always.’
‘I would make and unmake the world for you, beloved.’
‘Believe me when I say I want every part of you. Every version. Now and future.’
‘Look, beloved. Your skin is a canvas covered in stars.’
‘If I were you, I would begin by thanking her and throw yourself on her continued mercy. Because you’ll get none from me.’
‘What would be the point of immortality without you?’
‘No magic. Like an everyday mortal.’
‘Insult her again, and I will carve my refusal into your flesh, so that you may never forget it.’
‘I don’t care what your title is. Every breath, every beat of my heart belongs to you. You are mine for life.’
‘Thank you… for sharing the sky with me.’
‘If you lay a single hand on her, there will be nothing left of this place but a hole in the ground.’
‘Let us live in this moment long enough that I may love you the way you deserve.’
‘I will let nothing separate us… I shall always find you. Your heart calls to mine in a language beyond words.’
‘For you I would set worlds aflame, tear the sun and moon from the sky. I did not live before I met you.’
‘Perhaps you are the most courageous of all, for choosing to live among us. A mortal among gods.’
‘Welcome home, beloved.’
‘You helped me find peace in my grief. I will always help you find peace in yours.’
‘You sacrifice too much for me, beloved.’
‘I cannot give you my heart. It already belongs to someone else.’
‘There will always be tasks vying for our attention. But you are more important to me than any of them.’
‘I like being in here. I always want you to have the freedom of a place to call your own… and it means everything, that you welcome me in.’
(And finally, BONUS: Quotes from *other* characters in The Cursed Heart that straight-up sound like Shakespearean poetry, because the writers of this book just do. not. rest.)
‘I know you. I’m not afraid.’
‘I love him so terribly, it hurts.’
‘You are so much stronger than you know. And a love as strong as this is worth fighting for.’
‘Even if you kill me, I’m glad I met you. Because you deserve to be happy. You deserve to be loved. And I will love you until my very last breath.’
‘The world is rarely gentle to those who are so kind. It is you who must be the strongest of all.’
‘What do you want with that cursed thing?’ / ‘To cut the Sun and the Moon from the sky.’
‘Anything here that wishes to eat me had best prepare to choke.’
‘I know you. And I love you. Both your darkness and your light.’
‘You are everything I want. Just you. Just like this.’
‘If love could forestall death, we would all be immortal.’
‘All stories end. Even ours. That’s what makes them beautiful.’
‘I don’t care where I sleep, so long as it’s beside you.’
#UPDATE: the series is finished and so is this list#and i am so so sad to say goodbye to it#but what a journey it’s been#playchoices#choices: stories you play#the cursed heart#kieran x mc#prince kieran#fandom essay#original post#prev tags:#i went back through every screenshot i’ve ever posted to make this list#and i will continue to review every screenshot i ever take#and it was and will continue to be worth every minute#this book deserves an award
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#sonicmovie3hype#sonicmovie3#stobotnik#agent stone#movie robotnik#dr robotnik#Im insane abt them#Just give me an Agent Stone and Robotnik Valentines special.#EGGSTONEEEEEEEE 🥚🪨☕️♥️#I like how everyone in the Sonic fandom has simultaneously agreed that Agent Stone should just be apart of the main cast#Sage would appreciate having two dads after all#are they finally gonna have a daughter in the third movie? 👀#“Life you're making me think Eggman is pregnant and not in fact fat- 💀😭#don’t worry#She’s an ai daughter lol#even sonic himself pointed this out in the Sonic Twitter & TikTok Takeover LMFAOOO#Awesome Titanic reference lol#what was it like shaving his head?#And Robotnik will never let go of Stone#Agent Stone is never gonna give you up.#Never gonna let you down.#Never gonna run around and hurt you.#Never gonna make you cry.#Never gonna say goodbye.#Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you.#🏳️🌈❓#Agent Stone can do it all!#he’s a man of many talents 🙌#Heard someone say Agent Stone is like the Harley Quinn of the Sonic Franchise#and yeah that seems accurate 🤣
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So often in media, when abuse is talked about, the little boys in the household are shown to be combative - the "protector" of the family (an utterly depraved and insane idea). What makes Simon's younger self portrayal so special to me is that he's none of these things as a child. He was scared, timid, because he was just a kid in a horrifying situation. Being a male should not strip you of the right to involuntary responses that come with being abused.
This is not to say that the former example does not exist in the real world, because it very much does - it's just usually the only example of a young boy in an abusive household. Though the themes itself are not pleasant, I am incredibly happy to see representation of the quote-on-quote "softer" side of men who faced abuse growing up.
#Simon is very well written all together#so so good seeing the big strong man archetype with stress responses associated with women because its REALISTIC.#there is one scene where Simon gets physical with his father - when he himself is grown and in the military and his father is ill#off the top of my head i csnt remember the specific reasoning why Simon snapped but thats not the reason i brought it up#every other chance Simon gets he actively chooses to avoid his father as much as humanely possible#we see multiple scenes where his mother is encourging him to at least say goodbye to him#and Simon adamantly (rightfully) refuses because his father's presence makes him unwell to his core#he is not a fight response guy to me. hardcore flighter#avoidance - workaholic - NEEDS to be busy - etc#hate hate HATE when the fandom sees him as an angry guy. simon is genuinely not an aggressive person at his core#i mean fuck... he doesnt even try to get revenge on roba after he's escaped - not until roba has wronged people he loved#and... he didnt torture him. not even a little. it wouldve been a very clean death if roba hadnt run#simon is a level 100 avoider when it comes to harm befallen him#my points of this post are: 1. simon riley is incredibly important to me as an abuse victim#2. simon riley is incredibly important all together and amazing representation of an abuse survivor#Call of Duty#COD: Modern Warfare#Simon Riley#[ RJ ]#[ SEMI-AUTOMATIC MOUTH ]
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I can't believe it's been a year since Buddy Daddies ended!! T_T I still love this anime and this adorable little family with all my heart and I'm so grateful that there are still so many people making art/fics/posts/... about them!! :')
#A nice break from the Boopening!#Buddy Daddies#Kazuki Kurusu#Rei Suwa#Miri Unasaka#I'm so behind on my episode poster series though... I thought I was like 2 behind#Turns out nope...#I still remember everyone freaking out the day of the finale#Everyone was like saying goodbye and what an honour it was to have been in this fandom#But PSYCH! There are still so many of us a year later! :')
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inspired by these memes about next year (im still on 2024 help) i want to show this AU i have been thinking since month ago in the sidelines
#i have been thinking about aus for so long but never talk about them#bc idk if it has been done before or something im not really connected with the fandom and what they do#and i dont want to step into anyone's boundaries or something by accident#i have been putting it off bc i need to study human anatomy to build their body since i want to think about their functions#i need to think about what each piercing would do. the ones in the ears are kind of easy to think about their function but#i can't think about what the snake bite could do since im not sure they eat. it could have an attack function but that#would mean he needs to be near someone to bite and attack?? but that sounds like last resource it's not practical#no. being pretty it's not an excuse i want those to do a job. i will think of something A WAIT ok got it i have an idea that's silly#idk why writting the tags clears my mind this is magic#ok goodbye i have to do things i will come back#silly squeaking time#this is messy im using my last seconds of confidence to post this until i feel fear again aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa#messy explanation messy sketch be die like uhhh we die like uhhh ehehehe im not saying that asdhshjggfs
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hi, hello, yes, if you ever use the word "deserve" with regards to romantic relationships between fictional characters (and real people, honestly) then i kindly invite you to go fuck yourself
#kotlc#this is a post about sokeefe#<- i should make that a tag#“keefe deserves sophie because he-” what if i stop you right there. what if i killed that. with fire.#people deserve /rewards/ /not/ people#way to objectify a character by making them out to be a reward#also this isn't just a sokeefe thing i've seen it in the atla fandom/other fandoms too hm should i tag atla too#eh i already did#atla#this post isn't necessarily anti sokeefe i just hate the way people talk about them sometimes#reminder that trauma/bad experiences/your life being shit does /not/ entitle you to a romantic relationship#and also doing a good deed/saving the world/being a hero /also/ does not entitle you to a romantic relationship#and /also/ also worshipping/adoring/loving/caring about a person /also/ doesn't entitle you to a romantic relationship with them either#fandoms love to forget that#even if you have good reasons to ship a ship besides that don't say objectifying shit like that please and thank you#goodbye
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Arthur had to face the reality of his mortality. With each passing day he knew that his life was coming to an end, with no possibility of a better tomorrow.
The dreams and plans he once had became impossible knowing that he would not be able to experience a future. The fact of not being able to think about anything but the present, without the possibility of planning for tomorrow, is something that surely filled him with deep loneliness and terror.
The uncertainty of whether he would wake up the next day or not, and having to live with the constant pain, both physical and emotional, is an unimaginable pain.
The fear of the unknown, of what would come after death, is something he probably struggled with in his final days, in addition to the sadness of the emotional weight of knowing that his death would affect those he loved, leaving a void and causing pain
#when he says “I guess I'm afraid” I hear all this#It is an absolute tragedy to live knowing that every moment could be your last#and it is absolutely devastating the reality of slowly saying goodbye to life#while the world around you continued to spin without you.#I've been thinking about this a lot because I'm a hypochondriac and recently I had a crisis where I thought I was going to die#I thought a lot about this#maybe it's a bit bleak but I needed to get it off my chest#all I thought about was how Arthr must have felt so I put a little of my feelings into it#rdr2#arthur morgan#red dead redemption 2#red dead redemption two#red dead fandom#red dead redemption community#rdr2 arthur
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AFTERSHOCKS
with the uranium mission completed, Ice & Mav try to put the pieces of their lives together & find “normal” again… but normal looks very different with retirement; two weddings; and many, many parties fast approaching on the horizon.
#or has anything changed at all? 🤔#well thats it.#that’s the end. probably the last thing I’ll write for this fandom.#when i said ‘tomorrow’ on Friday I meant today#(no I didn’t I’m just a bad person)#set my alarm for 6 yesterday#overslept it & woke up at 12 😞 had to drive back to dc from Delaware from friendsgiving#drove through Annapolis on the way. a nice way to say goodbye.#thank you all so much for everything#pete maverick mitchell#tom iceman kazansky#top gun#icemav#top gun maverick#top gun fanfiction#bradley rooster bradshaw#jake hangman seresin#hangster
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I could really use distraction right now, can y'all drop your favorite fluffy fics so I can read them?
#we had to say goodbye to appa last night and im barely holding it together now#i just need distraction when i start sitting and thinking#tell me all your fav fluffy fics#dragon age fandom or otherwise
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Can we talk about how the heart and soul of the original Ace Attorney trilogy centers around how Phoenix loves his sister Maya so much he will do literally anything for her but all the fandom wants to talk about is Wrightworth
(HAD TO EDIT THE POST BECAUSE PLEASE DO NOT TAG SHIP)
#am i saying wrightworth is a bad ship and people shouldn't ship it? no not at all#i'm saying that it is NOT THE POINT#IT IS NOT WHAT IS IMPORTANT IT IS NOT THE MAIN THING#in the games it does and in the fandom it should take a backseat to who phoenix himself says is the most important person to him#his little sister that he would die for#and people KNOW THIS#why else would matt engarde have maya kidnapped#why would godot have said that if he'd really wanted maya to stay safe then all he had to do was tell phoenix she was in danger#in the dumb little amnesia turnabout he cries when he remembers her I LOVE THEM#i just i'm new to this fandom yes but i never see ANYBODY TALK ABOUT IT#it is everything#turnabout sisters turnabout goodbyes reunion and turnabout farewell my turnabout and bridge to the turnabout#each and everyone are about phoenix and maya#yes even turnabout goodbyes sorry wrightworth#i mean obviously it's about edgeworth but it's also about maya#they split that one actually#phoenix did not risk life and limb for maya countless times for this treatment of their relationship lol#ace attorney#phoenix wright#maya fey#miles edgeworth#ace attorney trilogy#phoenix and maya
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*lays on the floor like a slug* nooo… I can feel the Bad Batch hyperfixation trying to leave my brain… I don’t want it to go 😭
do y’all have fannish patterns? I’ve come to realize I can sustain extreme, insane levels of fannishness for about 6 months, and then it inevitably fades no matter how hard I try. Sometimes I can get a second wind a few months later but not always. It annoys me how predictable it is for me 😣
Send help. Or ideas to help recharge my brain 😩 Rewatching the series is one option, but I’m just not feeling it 😥
#fandom#the bad batch#I’m almost thinking of picking up fallen order again#but I don’t want to say goodbye to the clones!#I know there’s also outlaws but I haven’t decided if I’m gonna go for it or not
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[Start ID. A digital drawing of Minos Prime from Ultrakill, who's wearing a strapless slit dress and sandals of the same deep purple. He faces towards and slightly to the right of the camera, his head is tilted further right. With one hand he gestures in a vague pointing motion, his arm folded and held close to his body. There is nothing in the background, but bracing himself on one arm, Minos is implied to be leaning against something about the height of a countertop. The background is a blank purplish black, save for three diagonal stripes in the colors of the bisexual flag. End ID]
Shading study that quite literally came to me in a dream two weeks ago, after this post apparently beamed itself into my mind
(also a few edits below the cut! they're very slight but whatever :])
[Start ID. Three different versions of the previous drawing. The first changes the tone of the lighting from blue to pink, and similarly the shading from pink to blue. The second replaces the faint black border with pink, purple and blue, syncing with the stripes in the background. The third combines both these changes. End ID]
#the tags got NERFED so let's try this again.#peridots-art#minos prime ultrakill#ultrakill#ask to tag#organs#...? gore maybe? for the whole ''transparent chest/visible cardiovascular system'' thing. not very detailed/realistic though so#i don't think this has all of the same charm as i usually find in my posts. but i tried my best to make it work so i don't think it matters#also ''not too happy with how this turned out'' is something i've seen tacked onto posts worthy of being preserved in museums#i heard someone say his snakes should be ball pythons. i'm not autistic about snakes so i decided to listen to the masters#i still have seven levels to p-rank before i can meet this guy!! halfway there (lust/greed and 1-3 remaining) i've only had my own copy#of ultrakill for a week and i already have 33 hours in. anyway he's grown on me i think. absolute bi king and only monarch i respect <3#i think it's interesting how i now define my queerness by being gray-ace and trans when i first only identified with bisexual. it's still#an important part of me even if sometimes i forget. sorry that sounds completely unrelated but it's related to my feelings on this piece#anyway (i wonder how many ''anyway''s i've slapped on so far) i also find it interesting how often people draw him with this body type.#i think it's cool there's variety in how people draw the uk characters. it just kinda feels right here? i know i unfortunately don't draw#fat characters often at all (partially due to being a primarily fandom blog who likes to stick to canon designs. i wouldn't say i have#trouble with drawing a realistic amount of fat even on rather thin people though lol) but i try! also genuinely unsure what counts as like.#fat vs chubby? or whatever? i don't know exactly how the terminology works and a fair amount of minos' bulk is muscle anyway but. yeah 👍#men are pretty in dresses my final message. goodbye#peridots-described
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Okay, so like, I love Undertale to bits, but it does often rub me the wrong way when people use it in comparison to games like OFF, which condemn the Player’s violent actions without actually offering the option for a Pacifist resolution, like “well, Undertale is Objectively Better because there’s an actual choice to be nonviolent so it can actually condemn the player in a meaningful way”.
Especially with OFF, I think. Cause while many people consider it a predecessor to Undertale, their themes and the way they relate to their “What the Hell, Player” moments are very different, I think. And this attitude of judging them purely on whatever they’re effective at making the player ‘feel bad’ about their actions is really reductive for what both games are trying to do with these kinda moments.
Like, in general it’s super frustrating when video game moments discussing morality and player-player character relationships are evaluated purely in the sense of ‘are these games justified in Making Me Feel Like a Bad Person’. That’s usually a super-reductive way to look at video game morality. And I really don’t think it helps the discussion to frame “What the Hell Player” moments as an actual personal attack or attempt to evaluate your IRL morality.
And specifically with OFF, I feel like it’s actually very thematically important that the game only has one ‘Route’ and that it is the ‘bad’ one. Because OFF, in my reading at least, is a game very much about narrative framing. Like, that’s the whole thing with the Batter not actually transforming as his Special Ending Monster Duckie Form.
The Batter didn’t change, our point of view did. When we’re controlling the Batter, it is his POV that we’re seeing the world through - and in his POV he’s just an ordinary guy doing the right thing. But if we take the Judge’s side, we’re also taking on his POV. And the Judge, much like any other victim of the Batter, sees him as some sort of monster.
And that’s like a huge theme in the game. While there’s probably no POV that makes the world of OFF like an actually good place to live, it is important to note we are viewing it through the perspective of someone who has already vowed to destroy it. I know a lot of people look at the difference between the Guardians as they are in the Room’s Chapter 4 and the Guardians as the Batter face them as a matter of a personal change between then and now - I think the matter of different perspectives also plays a part.
In the Room we are viewing Dedan, Japhet and Enoch through the eyes of an innocent child that is desperate for companionship and sees them as friends - in the rest of the game we are viewing them through the eyes of a man who sees them as obstacles in his holy mission and upholders of a world that must be destroyed. Neither of them can give a truly unbiased perspective when it comes to the Guardians.
And despite the game making it explicit that the Batter is as a puppet controlled by the Player - although the Player is the one who give the Player Character power - it is the Batter who manipulates the Player into aiding him on his mission by framing it in a way that is more palatable. Despite all the power the player supposedly holds, the Batter holds the power over the narrative framing, and that’s enough to let him take control.
That’s why there’s really no choice in the game but keep helping the Batter along his ‘Holy’ mission - him being able to influence our framing also means being able to influence the options we can see. It is the Batter who wants us to see a world where his violence and destruction is the only possible solution. And the point of the Judge calling out the Player for continuing along the Batter’s set path (rather than stopping the game and turning it off) isn’t just to Make the Player Feel Bad for doing what they need to do to, like, see the whole of this well-crafted story....
It’s to make the Player self-reflect. When did they first had the inkling that the Batter isn’t on the up-and-up? If (‘if’ bring the keyword here) it was all real, when would the point where continuing to aid the Batter would be morally inexcusable? By the point the Batter is beating a defenseless child to death it’s pretty darn clear that We’re the Baddies, but did the Player process any of the hints beforehand? Just how much sway did the Batter’s framing of the world and the narrative hold over the player? And how this is different and similar to how the Player normally engage with other narratives, especially other RPGs?
There is a reason, after all, why the Judge big speech at the end is also about how felt deceived and tricked by the Batter’s words. His feelings are meant to be a reflection of a Player’s on some level.
And despite ‘calling-out’ the Player, he does make it clear he also sees himself as culpable of aiding the Batter in his henious actions. The Player and the Judge’s situations are somewhat paralleled here.
And it feels very notable that the Judge starts out explictly addressing to the Player much more than the ‘Puppet’:
And by the ending of the game, although he does call-out the Player to, he’s got a lot more to say to the Batter as well.
I think it’s because he also underestimated the power the Batter had as a ‘Puppet’ of the Player, up until he realized how he managed to manipulate both him and the Player (although he still sees both himself and the Player at fault for falling for it and helping the Batter).
I think the main point here is to try and make the Player think more critically about the narratives they engage with. In many ways, the Batter is the concept of the RPG protagonist dilluted to its logical extreme. He was literally brought into existence just moments before the story started, and his only purpose in life is to defeat all the bosses, ‘finish’ all of the areas and then just turn the game OFF. That’s also why siding with the Batter is considered the ‘canon’ ending of the game, in this allegory it is the ending that correspond most to Regular Player Behavior.
It’s trying to make you think about how different POVs and narrative framing can be used to change the way we view a story. If the Batter can skew the lens we view the story enough so that it makes us side with him… how other forms of media, and in this case espacially other games can convince us that the protagonist’s actions are justified and heroic? Is there some ignored angle in this and that game, some ignored ‘Judge’ of sort, that would totally reframe the supposed morality of the story?
I think that’s the main thing, or at least one of the main things, one is supposed to get from OFF. Not just a blanket sense of guilt for all the made-up pixels you killed in this game or other games, but an invitation to try and examine the stories you play from more angles, and think more of the narrative tricks that can be used to justify morally dubious actions. For this to work, the game has to work in tandem with the Batter and his POV for the most part. And because of all of this, I believe OFF’s lack of a ‘moral choice’ system does not take away from its central points and actually helps them. The only choice comes when the Judge barges in and offers a counter-narrative to the Batter.
Undertale, in contrast, is a lot more about Player Actions and Player Agency. Like, Chara and a Murder-Route Player have essentially a reverse dynamic from the Batter and a Normal Ending Player. With the Player convincing the Player Character (?) into the viewpoint that the world exists just to be drained of Content before turning it Off and moving on to the next one.
Undertale is more about the Player having power, and not just in the Unkillable Time God sense, in the sense of the power to reframe and change the narrative. Both the Undertale Pacifist and Murder Route has an element of going ‘off script’ of what the game story ‘expects’. Like, the Normal Ending is the only one where the the Player just does what was expected of them and engage with the game world in the same way all the other characters do - that’s just why it only exist to try and convince you to go on one of the other routes.
The Pacifist Route is about the Player using their Aforementioned Unkillable Time God Powers to break away from the world’s general resignation to violence as the answer and proving to everyone a peaceful resolution is possible. The Murder Route is about the Player engaging with the world like… an ordinary RPG basically (as long as you’re heavy on the grinding) and in the process twist the entire narrative into something much darker. The narrative isn’t tricking you into it, if anything, the narrative is subtly nudging you to the Pacifist Ending.
If Undertale comes off as a more effective ‘condemnation’ of the Player than OFF, that’s probably because compared to OFF Undertale is more about what the Player does and the Player’s actions. I still don’t think it’s a very productive to paint it as, like, trying to Shame you. It just makes things far too unnecessarily personal in a really weird way, and it also kinda isolates discussion of the game’s mortality to only how justified it is within the game’s own context - without any acknowledgement of what the game’s trying to say in a larger context when it makes the characters so darn lovable and makes it so heartbreaking when they die.
Both in context of how we can try and take the game’s ideals into the real world....
And how it relates to other video games. And I mean, Undertale isn’t just about whatever violence in video game narratives is really necessary - that’s absolutely part of it but also, it’s about how Players engage with video game narratives. And whatever looking at them as just challenges to be one by getting the Big Number....
or challenges you need to 100% complete and drain every single secret from
can take away from what makes a good story actually work.
There’s a reason why the in-universe ‘morally correct’ to play Undertale is to experience the True Pacifist ending once and never open it again. (I dunno if I’ll say the Message of Undertale is ‘looking up all kinds of different minor options and content mining always ruins the magic of stories’ and if it is it’ll be a very funny case of a game’s fandom disproving its own thesis, but it’s certainly something the game wants you consider.)
Despite the obvious influence OFF had on Undertale and especially on it’s Murder Route, I actually think it might be more useful to compare it to Deltarune, at least once we see more of it and where it’s going. With both of these games exploring a very complicated power dynamic between player and player character and the player being robbed of moral choice and possibly forced to do bad things to advance the narrative - it might be actually a more interesting comparison.
#Off#undertale#undertale meta#undertale analysis#off game#you see on one hand I can't say I enjoy the story of Undertale LESS just because the fandom complied this big ol' lists of Every Single#Event Trigger in the whole entire game or something#but on the other hand there is something very impactful about going through the Pacifist Route#and KNOWING you won't be able to justify to yourself doing a True Reset#so you just try your best to do everything that you can and really experience the game to it's fullest before you have to say Goodbye to#all of these characters basically forever#and espacially after just helped Asriel agree to let US go and move on#the fact the game also pleads for us to go and move on does enchance the emotional power of the ending on some level I think
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