#wicked movies Wizard

[l0ve-is-an-ech0]

If I had a nickel each time Jeff Goldblum played a very charismatic but very cunty horny bastard in a position of leadership I'd have 3 nickels, which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened thrice.

[notearsnora]

The WICKED movie and soundtrack are out now!

[ichiwashername-o]

A funny idea of what would happen if, after even being revealed as a liar, a fraud, a con-artist, and just generally pathetic whelp of a human being, if the Wizard wasn't immediately ousted from his role as ruler of Oz and instead was chosen to lead despite his glaring inadequacies.

But good thing that's fantasy and just make-believe and wouldn't happen in real life! (:

There is no political implication at all in this comic (:

I'm doing great, why do you ask.

[livelovecaliforniadreams]

Wizard Of Oz | Wicked Premiere Sydney

[animatronica]

I wont be shutting up about this for the rest of my life.

[simplysparrow14]

Listen, as someone who's favorite movie of all time is the Wizard of Oz, seeing the OG OZ gang with Dorothy's book canon silver shoes makes me fucking cry with joy.

Never in my life would I ever thought that I would see Dorothy, Scarecrow, Tin Man, Lion and Toto again on the big screen.

I am officially the happiest person in the world

[m4lted-cr3am]

"We must be over the rainbow!" No Dorothy you are IN THE GODDAMN RAINBOW

[mimicben]

Oh Jeff, Save me Mr. Goldblum

cunty ass wizard

[atomic-chronoscaph]

Margaret Hamilton as the Wicked Witch of the West - The Wizard of Oz (1939)

[mask131]

So... Wicked is coming back in style. And as such I need to make a little informative post.

Because since as early as my arrival onto the Internet, in the distant years of the late 2000s, a lot of people have been treating Wicked as some sort of "official" part of the Oz series. As part of the Oz canon or as THE "original" work everything else derives from (literaly, some people, probably kids, but did believe the MGM movie was made BASED on Wicked...) And as an Oz fan, that bothers me.

[Damn, ever since I watched Coco Peru's videos her voice echoes in my brain each time I say this line.]

So here's a few FACTS for you facts lovers.

The Wicked movie that is coming out right now (I was sold this as a series, turns out it is a movie duology?) is a cinematic adaptation of the stage musical Wicked created by Schwartz and Holzman, the Broadway classic and success of the 2000s (it was created in 2003).

Now, the Wicked musical everybody knows is itself an adaptation - and this fact is not as notorios, somehow? The Wicked musical is the adaptation of a novel released in 1995 by Gregory Maguire, called Wicked: The Life and Times of the Wicked Witch of the West. A very loose and condensed adaptation to say the least - as the Wicked musical is basically a lighter and simplified take on a much darker, brooding and mature tale. Basically fans of the novel have accused the musical of being some sort of honeyed, sugary-sweet, highschool-romance-fanfic-AU, while those who enjoyed the musical and went to see the novel are often shocked at discovering their favorite musical is based on what is basically a "dark and edgy - let's shock them all" take on the Oz lore. (Some do like both however, apparently? But I rarely met them.)

A side-fact which will be relevant later, is that this novel was but the first of a full series of novel Oz wrote about a dark-and-adult fantasy reimagining of the land of Oz - there's Son of a Witch, A Lion Among Men, Out of Oz, and more.

However the real fact I want to point out is that Maguire's novel, from which the musical itself derives, is a "grimmification" (to take back TV Tropes terminology) of the 1939 MGM movie The Wizard of Oz. The movie everybody knows when it comes to Oz, but that everybody forgets is itself the adaptation of a book - the same way people forget the Wicked musical is adapted from a novel. The MGM movie is adapted from L. Frank Baum's famous 1900 classic for children The Wonderful Wizard of Oz - and a quite loose adaptation that reimagines a lot of elements and details.

Now, a lot of people present Maguire's novel as being based/inspired/a revisionist take on Baum's novel... And that's false. Maguire's Wicked novel is clearly dominated by and mainly influenced by the MGM movie, with only a few book elements and details sprinkled on top. Mind you, the sequels Maguire wrote do take more elements, characters and plot points from the various Oz books of Baum... But they stay mostly Maguire's personal fantasy world. Yes, Oz "books" in plural - because that's a fact people tend to not know either... L. Frank Baum didn't just write one book about the Land of Oz. He wrote FOURTEEN of them, an entire series, because it was his most popular sales, and his audience like his editor pressured him to produce more (in fact he got sick of Oz and tried to write other books, but since they failed he was forced to continue Oz novels to survive). Everybody forgot about the Oz series due to the massive success of the starter novel - but it has a lot of very famous sequels, such as The Marvelous Land of Oz or Ozma of Oz (the later was loosely adapted by Disney as the famous 80s nostalgic-cursed movie Return to Oz).

So... To return to my original point. The current Wicked movies are not directly linked in any way to Baum's novel. The Wicked musical was already as "canon" and as "linked" to the MGM movie as 2013's Oz The Great and Powerful by Disney was. As for Maguire's novel, due to its dark, mature, brooding and more complex worldbuilding nature, I can only compare it to the recent attempt at making a "Game of Thrones Oz" through the television series Emerald City.

The Wicked movies coming out are separated from Baum's novel at the fourth degree. Because they are the movie adaptation of a musical adaptation of a novel reinventing a movie adaptation of the original children book.

And I could go even FURTHER if you dare me to and claim the Wicked movies are at the 5TH DEGREE! Because a little-known-fact is that the MGM movie was not a direct adaptation of Baum's novel... But rather took a lot of cues and influence from the massively famous stage-extravaganza of 1902 The Wizard of Oz... A musical adaptation of Baum's novel, created and written by Baum himself, and that was actually more popular than the novel in the pre-World War II America. It was from this enormous Broadway success (my my, how the snake bites its tail - the 1902 Wizard of Oz was the musical Wicked of its time) that, for example, the movie took the idea of the Good Witch of the North killing the sleeping-poppies with snow.

[scienceandfandoms]

With all this Wicked talk reminder that in the Oz books the rightful ruler of Oz was actually a trans girl named Ozma who explicitly named Dorothy a princess of Oz and considered her a "constant companion."

Also, this art from "The Road to Oz"

[nobodysdaydreams]

Haven’t seen the new Wicked movie yet, but I am forever impressed by the fact that someone saw the “Wizard of Oz” and was like:

“Hm. Yes. I see. Okay. The wicked witch and that scarecrow? They’re in love for sure.”

“The witch who sets him on fire?”

“It’s a complicated situation.”

[notearsnora]

The Wizard of Oz (1939) and Wicked (2024)

[ajs-ozian-adventures]

Ok ok hold on hold on-

You’re telling me Glinda and Elphaba see this little girl (Dorothy), who makes friends with their Husband (Fiyero) and their other friends (Boq/The Tin Woodsman and The Lion Elphie SAVED) and their first instinct is NOT to adopt her and teach her Witchcraft?

Like the shoe situation could have been handled so so differently and then Glinda and Elphaba could have hid Dorothy from the Wizard and taught her to be a new Witch to help them topple his empire for GOOD.

GIVE ME THAT GRITTY RETELLING OF THE WIZARD OF OZ!

[moon-axolotl]

Source: @moon-axolotl

[thebootstrap-paradox]

WICKED SPOILERS

I love the fact that The Wizard of Oz is literally Fiyero having to take care of a 12 year old girl who just wants to go home, her dog, his former college classmate, and a lion he once saved as a cub and now claims that made him a coward. Ah, all while looking for a way to keep the woman he loves safe and sound.