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A long overdue ko-fi for the dear @darlinglissa !! Thank you for being so very patient with me <3 You get: Tim being an annoying little brother to Dick (because I've been reading a lot of 90s/early 2000s comics lately)
#batfamily#dick grayson#tim drake#nightwing#robin (tim drake)#dc comics#my art#digital art#why is Tim doing this? I don't know. It's up for interpretation#maybe Dick has to leave for Blüdhaven and Tim is just being dramatic
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Someone being extremely annoying in the replies of my flowey and clover gif and I'm running out of patience 😭
#'well I THINK theyd just kill everyone then never reset in neutral' 'WE decide who clover is at heart' can you not#like. this is a piece of fanart. did you really just reply to tell me you don't like my headcanons or what#like... at least mention the art of you're gonna go on a several reply stint of this...#and im sorry but mmmmh... bad takes. frisk is morally ambiguous and its impossible to know what they'd do without our influence at this tim#but its a. fucking HUGE plot point in yellow neutral that we know what clover does without influence. without us. without flowey.#they stay w toriel indefinitely...#there's wiggle room for why and that's interesting. but its very clear vengeance wouldnt normally be their driving force#and that in itself is interesting! do we make them give into their anger? warp their sense of justice?#are they just going through the motions of getting this done now that they've ended up on this path?#that's all way more interesting to discuss than what feels like just treating them as a nothing character to treat as an insert#they did say its bc they dont like considering vengeance canon but that stumps me even more#why do you think we mold them then????#and idk if the devs said anything about it being noncanon but i haven't heard so#(and the devs also said Clover's gender is 'up to interpretation' and that's stupid so i also just don't care I'm sorry)#I'd rather embrace all routes and consider what that can mean for the characters#vengeance being unrealistic for ut means nothing when NONE of uty is realistic for ut#it's just a cool what if kinda story
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party on u ( part of u knew )



⋆✴︎˚。⋆ SYNOPSIS: 〝 You know that I've been waiting for you. 〞 Batboys x Reader. ⋆˚࿔ A/N: Heavily inspired by Charli XCX and the devastating edits to this song lol. Dick's is the most literal interpretation of the song. Jason's weird. I love Tim Drake. Yearning bro. I'm taking requests + commissions! More details on that soon. Help a college girl save for car repairs<3
ᯓ★ DICK GRAYSON.
IT WAS SOMETHING UNSPOKEN YET PRESENT. You weren’t just friends. But you didn't call it love either.
It started with shared takeout food.
Shaky laughter while pinning you on the ground during training. Late night text messages. Sleepless nights spent on the same couch. Dick's hand laced yours in the dark, and he tried to match your breath's rhythm as you fell asleep on his chest, fingers curling into your sleep shirt.
Eventually, there were white tulips he brought after work and Bruce was asking about you.
He was always careful with you.
Because he'd done the song and routine before. Been left with the kind of bruises in places you couldn't see.
There were nights when he'd leave before you woke. He'd left you coffee on your nightstand like it was a consolation prize. And you let him. Let him stay his welcome way too long, and then let him disappear for a couple days. Maybe it was stupid, but it was better than nothing.
wonderboy i didn’t want to miss you tonight i already do when you’re still in the room
You hadn't seen him in weeks. Not out of anger, not resentment. Still. It was on purpose. On both ends.
You'd stop asking if he wanted you to pick up candy for him at the grocery store and he had stopped asking when he could see you again. Maybe he had thought if he pulled away it would go away.
The invitation felt like a test. An unspoken, come if you still care. Or come so I know you haven't stopped.
It's his birthday, and silver balloons litter the hallway, and Donna laughter is already ringing through as you step in, and Roy's throwing gummy bears into Wally's glass.
You're wearing something that made you feel braver than you were, black fabric clinging to your hips--looking through the crowd with a tight chest.
His grin was the center of the room. His bright blue eyes found yours, and he didn't come over. His pupils were blown.
Kept staring, almost comically. Wondering if whether he still had the right to do that, even though he'd invited you. And you came. And he had worn that cologne you'd mentioned you'd loved, and even had tried to make his hair fall nicely. He kind of felt like a thirteen year old boy getting ready for his first Sadie Hawkins dance. It was wracking to feel like that again.
But maybe he was remembering just how much he'd hurt you by staying so close and never choosing.
You crossed the room slowly. Talked to Donna, and let Roy grab you a drink.
“I didn’t think you’d come.”
Dick's balcony's always been cold. Maybe he'd overstepped by draping his jacket over your pretty shoulders.
(But neither of you cared, and the lining was so nice!)
“I didn’t think you’d ask.” Your voice doesn't come out quiet, and you're surprised by its steadiness.
Dick looked down at his shoes. “I didn’t know if I deserved to.”
Your smile was glossy, close lipped. “You don’t get to disappear and then expect me to ask you to show up. It's mean.”
“I know.” A beat. “Uh, when I was halfway, I could pretend I wasn’t scared.”
“Were you?”
“Terrified.” He laughed, shaking his head. “I know that seems like such a shitty cop out. The whole, commitment phobe thing. But I still wanted you to come tonight.” Dick stopped. Cracked his knuckles. “I’ve missed you.”
“I don't believe in love that waits.”
Dick's brows are knit closely. “I know.”
“I'm not gonna be waiting.”
“I don’t want you to. I'll meet you where you are. Sorry I didn’t sooner.”
His breath clouds in the air. His voice cracks as he adds, “I get why you stopped asking.”
“Didn’t want to keep asking for something that wasn't fully ours.”
“That’s on me.”
“You were scared?”
“Still kinda am.”
He shifts beside you, steps closer. Adjusts his jacket, so the collar doesn't look rumpled. Dick's fingers brush the side of your throat.
Inside, he doesn't reach for your hand. Just walks close. As close as you'll let him. Close enough that it’s obvious.
You walk back to your car. Your phone lights up.
wonderboy thanks for coming beautiful you didn’t have to
you don’t thank me happy birthday 💙
ᯓ★ JASON TODD.
JASON IS ALWAYS AROUND. Your brother's second shadow. Not because they're attached at the hip. Roy is one of the few people that lets him stand beside him without flinching.
Initially, he barely acknowledges you.
He'll grunt a greeting when you grab a glass of juice, nods from across the kitchen. He always leaves his bike helmet on the counter tile like it's a centerpiece. It smells like gunpowder and iron, and you definitely think it says way more than he ever does with his mouth. Gun oil. Boots on the carpet. Pride and Prejudice folded in his back pocket.
You were studying journalism at university. Doing some stories. Freelance. An open notebook tucked under your arm. You asked questions too fast sometimes--half Harper nature--about everything, about nothing.
And Jason didn’t like it. Said so.
“Why do you talk to people like you’re digging for something?”
“Cause people lie.”
He didn’t say anything after that.
It was Roy’s fault! He left his phone out on the sofa. You didn’t care to look, but the cracked screen had some picture of you and Roy. Jason sent it.
jaybird when was this is she dating someone?
roy tf do you care lmao don’t be fucking weird
jaybird just asking.
roy that’s my sister.
jaybird shut up.
You noticed him staring more after that.
One time at breakfast, you spilled coffee on the edge of your sweater sleeve, cursing under your breath. You didn’t think he was even awake. Jason was slumped at the table over a bowl of cereal. His hoodie pulled up like he hadn’t slept at all. He passed you a paper towel before you even asked. Didn’t even look at you.
Later, your old press badge was pressed against the counter. It was lost for weeks. Bent but clean.
“You found this?” you turned to Roy, eyes glittering.
Roy rubbed his mouth. “Huh?”
Jason starts asking you things. Small things.
“Where’d that article of yours go? The vigilante case?”
“Sleep last night?”
He asked them like it didn't matter, like he didn't already know the answers. His fingers drummed while waiting for your replies, and he seems to drink in every single thing you say.
An interview that went south. A CEO with yellowed teeth called you doll. You bit your tongue till it stung.
Jason's in the garage, with a wrench.
“[Name], you okay?”
“I'm fine, Jay.”
“Don't lie.”
You set your leather bag on the hood of your car.
The wrench drops. “Wanna go hit something?”
You blinked. Slowly. "Sorry?”
“Gym. Pads. Gloves. I'll hold them for you.”
A smile stretches and he swears he feels like he's being lit from the inside. The way it's just for him. “Is that your version of like, a hug?”
“Take it or leave it.”
Roy didn’t pick up tonight. After a date that made your head ache, where the guy with a cheap haircut only spoke about himself, forgot his wallet, you stood outside alone. Cold.
Jason showed up instead.
His hoodie half-zipped, breath fogging in the air, from jogging, car parked across the street, his white streak a little matted. Green eyes scanned your face, and he grabbed the heels dangling from your fingers.
Your purse slipped off your shoulder, and Jason took it mid slide too.
He held both all the way home in his lap as he drove.
You let him walk you to your building, and the air had seemed to have hit you harder this time. Jason still had your bag and heels, and the space between you seemed to buzz.
The stairwell was bright, and the front light hummed over your head. Your throat was tight as you croaked out a "Thank you", softly and every word you wanted to say seemed to taunt you as you realize you rather liked his green eyes, and the golden rings inside them.
He seemed to notice your observation, and his eyes fell to the floor, the corners of his lips lifting so slightly. So, you let your hand fall between you, barely. So his could brush against it. Fingertips, then your pinky hooked his.
He turned his hand, observing the way they fit. Held it tighter, tighter than you expected.
ᯓ★ TIM DRAKE.
YOU'VE ALWAYS LIKED QUIET. Which is a good thing, because you have little else but that in a gas station working a graveyard shift. It's mostly peaceful. As peaceful Gotham can get. Little customers. No noise. Just you, and the fluorescents and the freezer that groans when it turns on.
Sometimes, you leave the counter to stand under the overhang light.
You see him for the first time at 3:24 AM.
The red and black suit. The insignia. A cowl that didn't cover his lips. Red Robin.
He doesn’t say anything. Just lands on the roof like he belongs there. Kinda freakish.
He was gone before you could look again.
The second time he shows up, he taps on the bulletproof glass with a gloved knuckle and gestures to the vending machine near the left of the entrance.
"It ate my dollar," he says.
You blink. "For real?"
"Swear on the mask."
Pretty big swear. So, you open the door. He's taller than you thought he would be. And younger. Same age, or around from what you can make of him.
You slide an energy drink and a bag of chips across the counter. "Next time you save the city bird boy, ask for some change."
He laughs. And you hate how much you like the way his lips curve.
He comes back after that. Not every single night. Although, that'd be fun. But it wasn't enough for you to expect him.
He never buys anything from you. He leans against the counter and asks how your shift was, and you hand him a bottled water and piece of bubblegum. He asks about the books you read behind the register.
"Jane Eyre?" he'd asked with a raised brow. "Sort of a dramatic choice for a Tuesday."
"Says the guy in a bird costume."
He laughed again. Now you hated how familiar it sounded.
But you didn't think much of it. Not until the week Tim stops coming to class.
He was in your study group. Quiet. He had the most gorgeous smile you think you'd seen. All toothy and boyish, despite the dark circles shadowing underneath his eyes.
You liked him more than you meant to. Still do. You swore not to, because there was something about him that seemed like if you reached out, he'd disappear like smoke. And it was getting ridiculous. You'd worn a skirt to class and curled your hair and hoped he'd notice. Forming a crush on someone because he had asked you how your day was and always helped look for your pen underneath your seat during lecture. But he was always noticing things. Listening to you, and he said your name like it was a secret that you both shared.
When he misses study group, then class, then that dumb open mic night you invited him to, you tell yourself it's nothing.
But then Red Robin shows up that same night, again.
He's chipper. "Long night?"
You let the silence stretch, doodling on some scratch paper.
He tilts his head, rocking on his heels. "Have a bad shift?"
"No," you say slowly, "Just kinda missing someone."
The mask twitches. You don't notice.
He starts coming around regularly.
You talk. About stupid shit, important stuff. Your morals. His commentary on the mayor.
You mention how sometimes you wish had a different life. How you want to graduate university already.
He's quiet as he nods, locking eyes with you.
Then he says, “I think you’re doing way better than you think.”
That's not fair to you. Because that sounds like something Tim would tell you over text casually. It makes your stomach twist and you wonder if you're falling in love with a mask, a voice, because he reminds you of someone else.
And he doesn’t even know that.
Tim knows.
He talks to you at night with a different voice, he holds himself differently and pretends that he’s not the same guy who used to try to make jokes clumsily to make you laugh. He loves your laugh.
He watches you watch him and says nothing.
If he tells you, it’ll ruin the quiet connection you’ve built. The thing he keeps crawling back to when the city’s too heavy.
#dc#dc x reader#dick grayson x reader#nightwing x reader#jason todd#dick grayson#nightwing#jason todd x reader#red hood#red hood x reader#tim drake#tim drake x reader#red robin#red robin x reader#batboys#batman x reader
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Something that I'm very interested about is why and when the S1 archive crew joined the institute in the first place. I was planning for a fanfic and that made me looking through their wiki and reread the transcripts.
Jon and Tim are easy, both had been mentioned in the podcast.
Jon had mentioned being a researcher for 4 years by the time canon happened, which took place in 2015, which means he joined in 2011. As for the reason, well, A Guest for Mr. Spider. I don't think it was ever mentioned specifically but I think it's very clear that he wanted to know more about the Leitners.
Tim took a bit of thinking, in the "when". The incident of his brother took place in August, 2013. We can assume that mean he joined the institute around late 2013, because he left his publishing job to find out what happened to Danny. Which, I'm gonna be honest, surprised me when I first saw it.
Every fanfic I've ever read seems to make Tim already working in the institute when Jon joined, which is not true, Tim joined 2 years after Jon. I do understand the confusion, Tim and Sasha feels much closer to each other than Jon to either of them, so you would think they know each other for way longer than with Jon. I guess there's a possibility that Tim already knew Sasha before the institute and maybe she is the reason he knew it existed in the first place. Either way, it's a gripe for me now if anyone mentioned Tim being in the institute for longer than Jon.
Martin, we know why, he's a drop out that needs a job because of his mom. Elias most definitely knew that he lied on his CV and hired him anyway because no one will miss him and he can use him or something, perhaps even because he thought it would be interesting to put someone with a big secret to work in a place that was made for a god of getting secrets out of people. As for when, however, it was never mentioned. We can make a guess, he was mentioned to have seen a statement giver from 2009, so he's already work for the institute in 2009 at the latest, and judging by him being 29 in 2016, he dropped out in 2004. Meaning by the time he was transferred to the archive, he had worked for appoximately between 6-11 years. Which mean, also, he is potentially the one that worked in the institute the longest.
Now, we get to the one who we know nothing at all, Sasha. The only thing we know is that she at first worked in artefact storage for 3 months before transferring to research. She said she had been in academia for 10 years, but that doesn't necessarily mean she had been working at the institute for that long, because she said "I’ve been in academia" and not "I’ve been working here". Of course, it's up to interpretation. We know she knew Gertrude and had talked to her, but knowing Gertrude, this is probably in 2011, after Emma died. I do believe she most likely had been there for longer than Jon, since that could also made her more qualified for the Head Archivist position (if this is a normal job). My personal belief is she started working there around 2009/2010. For the "why"... Sasha never mentioned ever having an encounter before Michael, so that's probably not it. She most likely joined because it's a research job. She also mentioned she couldn't afford to quit after artefact storage, so she was probably also desperate for a job, just like Martin.
Then again, we all know how fucked the timeline is in TMA (looking at you, Jonny) so maybe the "when" are all completely incorrect, who knows!
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If anyone had any thoughts or corrections, feel free to share! - 💻
#fandomtalk#tma#the magnus archives#jonathan sims#tim stoker#martin blackwood#sasha james#rambles#i miss them...#my beloved s1 archive crew T.T
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Batfam and Danny, Part 44
As Alfred insisted they do once in a while, the family had gone on a TV interview to keep up apparencies. They had been live for about an hour and the interview was rapping up.
Host: Ok last viewer question of the night and it's a good one. What is each of yours favorite Justice League member?
Dick (grinning): Easy, Superman. The man is great, his powers are cool, and the guy has great banter.
Jason: Wonder Woman, she is the embodiment of girl power and is the best leader the JL could even have hoped to have.
Tim: The Flash, I would love to have powers like his, I would get up to so much mischief.
Steph: Aquaman, I really like the sea.
Cass (signing [Steph interpreted]): Martian Manhunter, he has a very wise and calming voice.
Damian: I agree with Cass, Martian Manhunter is the best JL member. From what I know about him he always knows everything about everything, he clearly gathers all the necessary intel for any mission.
Duke: Green Lantern, his powers are amazing. I would love to have the ability to manifest anything I want just by thinking about it.
Danny: Green Arrow, who doesn't love a bow and arrow?
Bruce (eye twitching): Personally my favorite Justice League member is Batman. Now only is he our hometown hero, but I belief he is unappreciated for everything he does.
Host: Well looks like there's love going around for the whole League. Well that's all for tonight folks. I give my thanks the Waynes for joining us tonight and hope to see you guys again soon. And I hope all you folks at home have a good night, till we meet again.
A few minutes later in the Wayne family limo.
Alfred (driving the car): Good job everyone, the ratings from the interview are perfect.
Bruce (Brooding, sitting next to Alfred): Sure.
Alfred: Now now Master Bruce no need to be all broody.
Bruce (still brooding): I am not speaking to my children.
Alfred (smiling): You know I've always liked Cyborg, he might not use guns but his hand cannon arms are close enough.
Bruce (brooding intensely): Fist I'm betrayed my children and grandchild, and now by my own father.
The kids started laughing.
Alfred (ruffling Bruce's hair): We all love you son, but you should have known none of the kids were going to say Batman was their favorite JL member on live television.
Bruce: Do you have any idea how much the other are going to make fun of me during the next JL metting?
Dick: Yes, that's why we did it.
Bruce: You're all grounded.
The kids started protesting.
Jason: I don't even live at the manor-
Bruce: Grounded.
Danny: You can't ground me-
Bruce: Jason ground your son.
Jason: Sorry bud you're grounded.
Danny: Damn it.
(Master Post)
#dp x dc crossover#dc x dp crossover#dc x dp#dp x dc#batfam#batfamily#dick grayson#nightwing#jason todd#red hood#tim drake#red robin#stephenie brown#spoiler#cassandra cain#orphan#damian wayne#damain al ghul#damian wayne al ghul#robin#duke thomas#signal#danny fenton#danny phantom#bruce wayne#batman#alfred pennyworth#justice league
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Damian was 10 when he was shipped off to his father.
He was 10 when he finally decided enough was enough, packed his stuff, called Mara, and the ball went rolling.
The moment Talia left the mansion, the DNA test confirmed, and Bruce emotionally compromised, did he finally move.
He'd stared his father down, felt nothing when he stood up and mild annoyance bloomed when his father asked– demanded– where he was going.
"You're a fool if you believe I will stay here." He spat, eyening the man in disdain.
It became very apparent that Damian wasn't what Bruce thought he'd be, what Talia thought he was.
"Your mother entrusted me with your safety–"
"I don't need protection. Mother wouldn't care if I stayed or not." He blinks. "Where is the cave? I wish to use the computer, I have people to contact."
Reluctantly, Bruce shows him the way, questions of who and why, and the plans he apparently had were asked.
Damian answers with vague wordings and enough open spaces for interpretation. Words greatest detective, he can figure it out himself without damian spelling it out for him.
When they do arrive in the batcave, Tim Drake— Robin— was sitting at the computer.
Huffing, Damian shoved the entire chair away from the table, taking its place and started typing.
"W— hey! What—? Who?" Tim looked between Bruce and Damian, despite being sleep deprived his eyes caught on the similarities, mouth dry and mind calculating.
"Does Dick know?" Is all he asks, leaning back and watching the younger boy work.
"Not yet."
A heavy sigh.
"Silence," the boy huffs, annoyed. "I'll have to make a call."
Glaring daggers, he pulls out a old burner phone, pressing the single number saved inside and waits.
"Damian."
"Hello, brother."
('Oh. Did he have another?' Tim wonders, watching Batman's face, blank like a paper sheet. Nothing. It feels like all his efforts of bringing the man back were just flushed.)
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Or in simpler words:
Danyal al Ghul, the first successor of the demons head, born with his twin Athanasia al Ghul, to be the future of the league.
They were reborn with their former memories, stuck in place, constantly watched and trained. Manipulated. Weaponized.
All for a man playing immortal.
They'd only started planning when two more children came into the picture, Damian and Mara Al Ghul.
Danyal now Daniel "Danny" and Athanasia now Eleanor "Ellie" Nightingale took matters into their own hands and separated to take the kids in and end this.
End the league. End the cycle of whatever this, this cult is, and take over.
In many universes, Ra's al Ghul does not die, always returns, wielding his people like mere weapons.
In this universe, Danyal al Ghul is acknowledged as a traitor, killer of the Demons head and Older Brother, borderline father even, to his tiny brother Damian al Ghul.
In this universe, he raises Damian instead of Talia, shows him the cracks of this careful manipulated picture and listens when Ellie tells of her travels to this tiny child with a sad sad fate.
In this universe, Ellie takes in their tiny cousin, shielding her from the cruel eyes of a man not worthy. She trains her, shows her the ropes and takes her along when she leaves.
In this universe, Damian al Ghul and Mara al Ghul live a good live, protected by the twins of old souls and have a somewhat normal if not very complicated childhood.
#dcxdp#dpxdc#dp x dc crossover#fic prompt#writing prompt#dc x dp prompt#Danny is Damians older brother/father#Danny aka Danyal al Ghul#Ellie aka Athanasia al Ghul#Dani is Maras mentor/parental figurine#Danny and Dani got reincarnated as twins in the league#the reason Damian and Mara suffered so much under Ras was because he alr had a granddaughter and son#why a pair more if they cant even surpass the first ones? he blatantly ignores the huge age gap#danny killed ras#Bad parent Tali#bad parent bruce#bruce wayne tries#damian just doesnt care bcs he alr got a father figure#why one more?#to dami talia is more a of a teacher#and what does he do with teachers he doesnt like? get rid of them#sorry talia love#anyway clockwork is having a field day with his fav drama show#for funnsies#adding Dan as Jasons mentor for the rage issues#Mara al ghul my beloved#Damian is NOT interested in the Robin title!!!!#he is much more serious about the phantom family name
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whats your opinion on fanon tim drake id really love to know also just how did he become so completely divorced from his canon counterpart?? his fics and the comics r polar opposites its so funny
ooh, fun ask! i'll start with my personal feelings, and then get to explaining how i think it all became to this. might get a bit long, so strap in for my usual yap
i have no particular likes or dislikes about fanon tim. in fact, i do enjoy a good fic once in a while with heavy fanon aspects because it's fun and everyone deserves to live a little. let the boy drink his coffee! let him be allergic to shrimp! have the drakes be bad parents if it drives the plot! i am all for having fun, first and foremost. if it writes good, i don't mind it! i think my only line is when it's emphasised over and over again?
i have my own interpretation of tim which i called "canonised fanon" or vice versa which is basically just tim but with a lot of realistic headcanons.
now: the reason. i think there are a few.
a lot of people don't read the comics! i don't necessarily think you HAVE to consume the original media in order to enjoy it, but i do think a lot of fandom just bounce off each other and see what there already is put out. i'm not a comic purist—not everyone has access, time, or the want to read comics—i do think the lack of comic reading does allow for a lot of these fanon traits to slip through
now, those fanon traits! i think they do genuinely come from a place of realism, firstly. just want to set that record straight. tim gets flanderised the most out of the batfamily i'd personally say. the coffee addict fanon trope despite him canonically enjoying sodas? realistic, because tim commonly works long nights. not just as CEO, but also as a vigilante. i think all the bats drink coffee; tim just got stuck with that label the most because of his reputation as "detective". him having abusive parents? unsure "realistic" is the right word, but current versus past standards of raising children are different. while i would definitely say the drakes were neglectful in some capacity, the fanonisation of "abusive drakes" probably comes from the 1) potential angst that comes from it, and 2) easier bonding with bats. also, it's much easier to create a "villain" instead of a difficult-to-balance nuanced character. villains are interesting because they are bad, and seeing the drakes, who already weren't super "good" parents, as villainous ones, is interesting for others! tim being extremely angsty and whumped always? again, potential angst is high, and it's mostly picking from certain moments of comics (e.g., damian and tim beefing, the entire RR comic run, titan's tower attack, general tim crashouts).
essentially, i think these fanon traits come from a place where it started with imagination and realistic roots (tim drinks coffee because he stays up late; his parents are more than neglectful because of the current time period; outsider of the family due to his unique position of robin, a drake, and a son, etc etc). then it just grows and grows into it's own thing.
personally i find the fandom charming and i don't really understand WHY there is so much hate and bashing in DC fandom. it's just silly ideas. i get disliking, but i think it's all in good fun at the end of the day. unpopular opinion, i know, but idk. kids just want to have fun. fandom is free, and people are creating work for free!
anyways, end of my yap. sorry for how long this got—i'm a tad passionate about fanon vs canon tim. thanks for the entertaining ask!
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is the neglect!reader series finished if so, can we have alil reaction that they finally relies on that they actually lost us and when they go spy, they see us with our family all happy then they go sulk back at the manor
plus, Alfred visiting us alone
Wrote an extra snippet just for you, honey! Writers are nourished by comments and compliments, and I hope nobody forgets it. So here's your snippet!
"Y/N . . . is cutting us off for life?" Damian spluttered. "But I had so many things to do with them!"
"Nobody's surprised that they're cutting you off, Damian. Tim, Jason, and I were running bets that you were possessed. But me?" Dick clutched at imaginary pearls. "I'm the resident sunshine one!"
"And they could have talked to me about business instead of Penguin," Tim said. "I would have loved to finance their ice cream franchise. People love the Ice Block! Y/N really knows their stuff."
"Don't worry about it. We actually have a bit of an out," Stephanie said. "Y/N only banned our legal identities. Our vigilante identities have no such restraints. We'll . . . swing by Cobblepot Manor and see why they love it there so much. Barb, I'll keep a livestream on for you."
"Thanks."
The Cobblepot Manor was filled with villains, all . . . playing poker. Through a conveniently open window, they watched as Y/N played poker with all the biggest villains in Gotham. A shadowy, unseen figure in the corner was winning. Since when could Y/N play poker?
"Damn, Alfred, where the hell did you learn all this from?" they heard you laugh. Alfred removes the shadows from his face, laughing heartily. Not only was Y/N playing poker, they were losing to Alfred? Since when could he play poker?
"I had a life before being a butler for the Wayne family, Y/N," Alfred said. "And I liked that life."
"Alfred's . . . with Y/N," Jason said. "There was never a restraining order against him. I forgot about that."
"He looks so happy," Barbara said over the livestream.
"Y/N looks happy, too," Dick said. "We should have learned how to play poker so they would never have left."
"Dick, enough." Bruce put a hand on his shoulder. "You have to accept that Y/N is gone. All the poker and gymnastics and the affection now won't bridge the gap. All they want is . . ." Bruce forced down bile and tears, "their papa, their aunts, and their uncles."
We are all too late, Cassandra signed. They interpret our attempts to bond and apologise as covering for ourselves. All they remember are our failures. All we have are our failures.
"Alfred, I'm so glad you came," you said, hugging Alfred tightly.
"They never hugged me that tightly," Damian said.
"They never hugged any of us like that. Don't try to make it about yourself," Tim snapped.
"We should go," Stephanie said, as Penguin started dolling you up with jewellery. "It hurts me to watch."
Without warning, you got up and went towards the window they were watching you from. Locking eyes with each of you in turn, you smirked and closed the curtains with a flourish.
That would be the last time they ever saw you.
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✩ WEEKLY FIC ROUND-UP ✩
Jason Todd/Batfamily/DC Comics
Tsunami by doublecheckyoself
The last thing Bruce expects to find at a scene with an unresponsive omega in heat is his long dead son, heat-sick and desperate to go home to a place he can no longer name. ...That is exactly what he finds. Platonic a/b/o my beloved.
Ad Infinitum; Modified by familiarities (twistsandturns)
Tim is hunched over his computer, bouncing between a report for B (Batman, not Bruce) and a spreadsheet for B (Bruce, not Batman) when Jason stumbles into the cave. If it weren’t for the fact that Jason had been in a somewhat good mood lately, Tim probably would have been a little more concerned about this fact. Still, it’s weird when, instead of ignoring Tim’s existence like he usually does, Jason walks over to him directly and says, “I'm in a time loop and I don't know why. Fix it."
> MYLING by vfx_batman
The myling comes into existence when a child is unwanted and therefore killed by its mother. They are forced to roam the earth until they could persuade someone (or otherwise cause enough of a ruckus to make their wishes known) to bury them properly. -- paraphrased from the 'Myling' wikipedia entry. -- What happens when the Myling learns of his victim blaming, and learns he will never be laid to rest?
good by okayokayokayokayokay
He says nothing. He does nothing. “It’s like they erased him completely,” Oracle says. Cass disagrees.
good by impravidus
Bruce isn’t foolish enough to mistake this man for his son, for Jason, but everything about him tugs at his mind. Jason was four foot ten, barely scraping a hundred pounds on a good day. Despite his twiggy form, he had round cheeks, clinging to the baby fat from his adolescence. His curls were unruly and his eyes were the brightest blue, always scrunched with delight or mischief. This man is everything Jason was not. He’s tall, broad. Every feature is sharp and defined with a strong jaw and muscles that nearly rival Bruce’s own. His eyes are dark, almost dangerous, his mouth set into a frown. He is in a worn pair of dark jeans and a blood stained leather jacket. There is nothing about this man that should make Bruce think of Jason, and yet there is.
Too Much Fucking Salt by pez_the_platypus
A rural housewife instinctively understood the law of quantity into quality. Add a pinch of salt to a soup and it tasted better; add one pinch too many and you ruined the batch. Jason had been in limbo for a year and a half, trusting things would get better even though everything just seemed to be getting worse. It was something small that set him off, but really, it was an accumulation of a lot of things that led to this. He was going to kill the Joker.
IRIS Log #1548 by deadchannelradio
A Disclaimer From Your Friendly Neighborhood Oracle: The following is a transcript of Patrol Communications Audio written by state of the art transcription technology, IRIS (Interpretation of Recorded Intelligence Software). IRIS was created to provide easily searchable records, automatically, and eliminate the need to transcribe each patrol audio log manually. That being said, IRIS is still experimental, and may not always be entirely accurate. - (01:25) Red Hood: (Mild static) (Out of breath, slurred) You motherfuckers. Put some fuckin- Batman: (Shaking) Red Hood- Red Hood: Shut up. Put some fucking respect. On my name. Start fucking copying me. I just got thrown fucking. Um. 40 feet. Into a fucking uh. What's it. Ditch. I'm still fucking conscious. Batman: Red Hood, do not move, we're en route- Red Hood: What'll I win if I stand up. Batman: (Loud) Do not stand up.
forgive us(as we forgive those) by anD_nOw_tHe_wEaThEr (CryMeARiver3465)
"There is no other story. A man, after he has brushed off the dust and chips of life, will have left only the hard, clean questions: Was it good or was it evil? Have I done well - or ill?" ~ East of Eden, by John Steinbeck. Jason Todd's one lasting salvation relies on the fact that he has never once killed an innocent person, even for all his pit-maddened attempts. He didn't kill Tim. He didn't kill Bruce. He didn't kill anyone who didn't deserve it. Not once. He's killed the deranged, the murderers, the child traffickers, the rapists, the abusers, the Joker. None of those people are innocent. His voice still shakes when he prays. ~~~ Aka: Jason Todd is the only Catholic in his family. He is also the only murderer. Good times are had by very few people in this fic. I just want the brainrot to cease.
seventeen going under by BoneRot19
"Where's your pops?" Terry shouted down the sidewalk. "Dunno," Jason said. "Haven't seen him in a week. I stopped goin' lookin' for him a long time ago." Hell, Jason was happy with the man's absence. Maybe it would stick, this time. "He owes me fifty bucks." Terry, closer to Jason now, was still shouting. Jason spun around and started walking backwards. "What'a'ya know," he said. "Me too." -- AU where Jason is seventeen, his parents are alive, he works nights at a convenience store, and everything is about to go to shit.
Rising from the Ashes by Teen_Angst5127
Jason wakes up back in time and decides now that he is back in he is going to change a couple of things and keep others the same.
Admirer by AstraEntropy
The many, many times Jason stirs Slade’s interest, and the one time Slade finally tells him about it. When the kid turns to him with a victorious, impish grin, something warm and light swells in his chest, and Slade finds himself returning a fond smile before he’s even aware of it. Oh, the realization creeps on him once he’s back alone at his hotel, he’s down bad.
For morale! (Employee of the month) by Katzynia
Explicit sladejay. The Knight is even more irritable then usual. Slade will get to the bottom of it, and fucking fix it.
Your Boy That Was, Your Son That Is... by Lynlee494
Pre-Under The Red Hood. Jason witnesses a gala attendee sneak something into Brucie Wayne‘s drink. And it‘s fine, obviously. Jason is going to have a good fucking laugh and know he can continue his business tonight in peace with Batman out for the count. He could even go abduct the bird or set the manor on fire! He can even - he can… ...watch Bruce get lead out of the room by a stranger. Fuck.
Star Wars
The Good He Seeks by orphan_account
After killing the Emperor, Darth Vader agreed to serve the fledgling New Republic and destroy the last true-believers of the Empire he had once helped create. But he's living on borrowed time.
Tortured Soul by Blackdragon0665
After his death Darth Vader was merged with his younger body during the clone wars. And now he has to learn to live in a world that he had destroyed. All the while trying to save the past to prevent the horrible future he lived. Not easy to do with everyone suspicious of him after his collapse. This is an Anakin Skywalker redemption story
Naruto
All Roads Lead by Macchiato_Dreaming
Generally speaking, one does not personally meet the King of Hell after death unless one has fucked up tremendously in life. Someone becomes no one becomes a prince in the Land of Wind. Tensei of Sunagakure has a hit list, a god of the underworld breathing down his neck, and plenty of time to figure things out while he tries to make this house a home. Hopefully.
Boku no hero academia
Dustverse by CeiaOfSilence
In a world where All For One was killed long ago, Shimura Tenko is going to be a hero. Her parents might have thrown a wrench into her plans, but she refuses to give up. No matter what it may cost her. But becoming a hero is more than just fighting villains. It means standing up for herself in a world where she's labeled as dangerous first and a person second. It means inspiring others, confronting evil both overt and banal, challenging power structures, and lifting up her fellows. Tenko can destroy anything she touches. But can she build a better world out of the ashes?
Avatar: The Last Airbender
suffering will be your teacher by soopsiedaisies
Zuko falls asleep on the evening of his official coronation, when he’s twenty-one-years old and has finally reached his majority. Zuko wakes on the morning of the Agni Kai with his father, eight years earlier. This is annoying for several reasons, like the fact that the War is still ongoing, that he has zero friends, and that Ozai is not in jail. It’s time to scheme.
Pride and Prejudice
Mr. Bennet Travels Through Time by AMarguerite
Exactly what it says on the tin. Mr. Bennet is actually a time-traveler from the 1990s, who ends up in Regency England and profoundly hates it. Featuring: quite a lot of fake science, some real history of science, and rather a lot of jokes about Uranus.
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Hi! I wanted to start this off by saying I love your dc analyses and that you’ve totally changed the way I view a lot of comic characters and are a big part of the reason I love Tim so much.
So, something I’ve seen a lot in comic spaces is people complaining about fanon Tim , which I think is fair as I also dislike fanon Tim, but also pushing an equally fanon version of their own favorite character. I’m all for criticism of how people portray characters, both in and out of the work it self, but it feels disingenuous to complain about it while doing the exact same thing, even if they don’t realize it. I know this can be a pretty divisive topic, but if you’re up to it I’d really like to hear your opinion on why you think this happens. Thank you!
I mean it mostly boils down to: canon is huge, contradictory and fluid by design, not to mention decentralized and often requiring esoteric secondary knowledge to navigate, especially when digging into back issues where you run into availability issues and archiving problems. And it, like all literature, is open to interpretation.
Debating what is and is not canon is as core a feature of comic book fandom as it is of classical studies and theology. The truth is there isn't a one-hundred percent totally correct "true canon" answer to anything, it's all a matter of interpretation, but some interpretations are "more right" than others by virtue of their authors being better able to support their point of view with support from the canon.
This is a hobby that mixes personal collection and curation with literary analysis, classics-style mythic/theological canon interpretation, art criticism and debate club, if you're into that.
In short, it's nerd shit, which means you're always going to have your way of doing it, and everyone else is always going to be doing it wrong. Best thing to do is make peace with that and avoid the people who take it all Way Too Seriously so you can enjoy batting ideas around with the folks who share your wavelength. Which sometimes includes complaining about the folks who don't agree with you, just to let off some steam.
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could you talk more about fanon vs canon tim drake? i havent gotten too far into the comics yet but have seen a lot of him (mis?)characterized by others
Just a preface, I'm not gonna crucify any Tim fans who find themselves writing these tropes, because it is fandom, and everyone's allowed their own interpretations of the character, I'm just personally not a fan of these takes on Tim because in my mind they just don't make sense for the character. If anyone has differing opinions, feel free to (politely) explain them to me, because I'm happy to hear them.
Ok, so much like Fanon Dick Grayson, there are two versions of fanon Tim Drake.
There's version A.) where where he's one minor inconvienience away from becoming a supervillain (I understand where this one comes from and I don't HATE it) and there's version B.) where he was criminally neglected as a kid and is infantalized (This version of Tim I Loathe)
I'll start with version A. I see where it comes from. Mainly the Red Robin 2009 run, but we have to remember that Tim was grieving pretty much everyone close to him during that era. He was being self destructive because of that grief, and yeah, grief changes a person, but Tim is the type of character who would still turn out good despite all the hurt handed to him. Oh! But Gun Batman-- Tim actively chose against being that. He would rather kill himself than let himself become a version of Batman who went against everything Batman stood for. I know there are multiple storylines where Tim meets and evil future version of himself, but those versions would constantly be like a weight on him to be good. All in all, if I had to choose between the fanon Tim Drakes, I would choose villain Tim Drake, as long as it's done in more of a character-study way rather than a 'He deserves to go evil, as a treat' because it's an interesting take with the right motives.
Now onto Version B. Loser Tim Drake. The reason I Loathe this version of Tim is because it usually involves Characters Assassination of the characters around him. Ok, so do I agree that Tim Drake was somewhat neglected? Yes. But goddamit, the way I see Jack and Janet portrayed, you would think that they were running from the feds or something. They were good people, just bad parents. Maybe a little immature to raise a child, but it wasn't to the point where they would probably need to call CPS. Neglect isn't black and white, and the Drakes fell into that grey-- which I personally believe to be a lighter shade. You do have to remember that a lot of Tim's introduction was written in the 90's where parenting styles were a lot different compared to Today. Still, they sent him to boarding school, meaning they made sure that some form of adult was taking care of Tim AND a lot of people try to make Jack Drake out to be the villain for stopping Tim from being Robin, and blackmailing Bruce for it, but... It's What Any Sane Parent Would Do? I'm 18, but I know if I ever had a kid, and then fell into a coma and then woke up and found out that my Kid was fighting crime in one of the most CRIME RIDDEN CITIES alongside my middle-aged neighbor who dresses up like a furry I WOULD CALL THE FUCKING COPS. But enough about the Drakes. Because not only does Loser Tim Drake assassinate their character, but why is 17 year old Tim the victim when it comes to 10 year old Damian-- "Oh he tried to kill him' They're both trained by assassins. They're both trained. They're both Trained. Why Is a Junior/Senior in high school hurt by the actions of a 5th grader. I have a similar age gap with my younger brother. We have had pretty brutal fights and the next day we're fine. I'm not going to get into "Attack on Titans Tower AUs" but I will say this, Every Time I Start To Read One Of Those, I Lose Half Of My Hair Because of How Bad the Characterization Of Both Jason And Tim are. Please, Read, The, Comic. Jason Wasn't Trying To Kill Tim. If He Was, Tim would Be Dead. ANd Tim was Snarking Jason Through The Entire Confrontation. Lastly, Why Has DICK 'BAMF' GRAYSON TURNED INTO TIM"S NUMBER ONE OP????!!!! DIck IS LITERALLY TiM's ChiLDHOOD HEro!!!!! NoT BAtMAN, DICK GRAYSON. And like, not only that, Dick and Tim are the most brotherly. I'm Begging, Please go read a 90's comic. Why is it, the only time I see Dicks Manipulative side in fanon, It's in opposition to Tim? I bet it's bc of Teen Titans Go. I bet the only Tim and Dick interaction they've seen is TTG Robin going "No BOdy cARes AbOuT TiM DrAke"
Sorry that ended up becoming rant-y, and less objective. Since actually reading comics, fanon Tim Drake gets on my nerves.
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Now i know DAMN WELL, YOU aren't getting upset at Lizzie for her tweets after the interview.
"If you have an interview in your hands that an actor is leaving why do all this? Why lead people on?"
Leading people on? You mean bucktommys? YOU?
You made SEVERAL posts thinking they WEREN'T breaking up based her tweets. YOU HAVE NO ONE TO BLAME BUT YOURSELF.
What were they again, let's see.
"1. This is actually a good move on her part. It looks like she's seen the writing on the wall, and she's carefully admitting she'll switch when the time comes.
2. Other bestie boos should take her advice because right now we have the biggest accounts making "hate" lists and going on their tiktoks to say they're going to be mean af when bucktommy breakup. Don't hurt yourselves, you're already awful people. No need to prove it more"
"The beauty of these unprofessionals on Twitter is that they will give away all types of things. Just like this confirmation of no bucktommy breakup on Thursday and no indication of one on the horizon."
Pretty sure you did the others as well
Oh wait. You did. Rachel’s.
"Please tell me why a bestie boo journalist wants to sleep through the live watch of 911..."
You truly are confusing. You make MULTIPLE POSTS how buddie articles/content is "baiting" and laughing at buddies but now when YOU interpret tweets INCORRECTLY, it's "why lead people on". You call her irrelevant and seem to "not care about the journalists" but you sure seem to care about what they post.
Right? Because according to you EVERYTHING is simply bait right. But not if it's bucktommy related right??
And now here you are trying to use Ryan “not being seen on set” as a “gotcha” when you know they’ve been filming outside calls only and that’s what we could see.
No one saw them breaking up except for Buddie fans and Tim even said it was premature but by design.
However, the difference between ME and those "journalists" is that I'm not getting paid to run this blog. I'm not presenting myself as a "professional" in any way.
Ryan hasn't been filming. Gavin hasn't been filming. It's not a "gotcha" it's a fact... a fact proven by your fellow buddies who show up during filming.
Also, you sound ignorant because I was pointing out how Liz-Bob posted an article out of spite because she was on a fandom block list. An anon wanted to see her tweets from after the interview, so I reblogged them...
She's a cunt. Nothing new.
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More thoughts:
I linked a post below that has me thinking about Tommy's actions & Eddie's place in the narrative. In retrospect, I 100% believe Tommy knows and understands that Eddie is likely going to be Buck's last. (as much as anybody can know this sort of thing.) I know Tim and Oliver said Eddie had nothing to do with the obstacles in Buck's relationship, but I think that was a partial truth on their part. Technically, Buck does spiral because of Abby and #stagefoureddiediaz has talked about the way Buck is still stuck on the hamster wheel. I think both of these things are part of the obstacles mentioned in one of Oliver's interviews. However, if you look only at those things, you overlook the Pink Eddie in the room. While I agree that Eddie didn't interfere or try to stop Buck & Tommy from being together, his friendship with Buck has remained a constant. (see the link at the very bottom for more about Eddie in the narrative.) If you check out Buddielifer's post, several good points demonstrate the breakup was about Eddie. I'll try to avoid repeating what was said there as I explain. My opinion does differ on a few small points, but I'll get to that later.
Ok. I'm going to talk about Tommy a little but stick with me. This is a Buddie post. I promise, and I do have a point. I do believe Buck was attracted to Tommy, not because he had some great destiny to be the love of Buck's life, but because he did a few really cool things while helping to save Bobby & Athena's lives. Plus, Tommy did it in the coolest way possible. Helicopter pilots are cool, or they would be if they weren't dating one-half of your favorite ship. lol. Before the kiss, Buck wasn't self-aware enough to fully engage with his sexuality, I suspect that he handled his attraction to Tommy the way he handled it with other men before we knew him as a firefighter.
As we saw in a flashback, when Buck met a man he felt attracted to, he processed those feelings by befriending him. It was the same with Tommy. That is why he was at the hangar that day. When he offered to buy Tommy a beer, I truly think Buck thought he was making a new friend. If you think about it, you can see this was a pattern for Buck. He did have a meltdown over Eddie when they first met (but with Eddie, bigger things were and are still in play) It doesn't change the fact that once Buck got past his initial jealousy or whatever that was, he threw himself all in with Eddie. It was part of his pattern and part of #stagefour's hamster wheel. (Endgame will have Buck get off the wheel and look around. The person standing there was never part of the wheel, but the person waiting for him to stop and get off of it.)
The situation with Tommy is probably closer to how Buck reacted to his friend who wanted Buck as a sperm donor. Buck actually followed that 'friend' to Peru. I have a post from a while back where I discuss Buck sending mixed signals. In his mind, he is making a friend, but he is also unconsciously flirting. Tommy was the first to push through and just kiss Buck. I don't think this was nefarious so much as an attempt to interpret the signals Buck was sending. (I'm sure many see Tommy as having bad intentions but stick with me. I'm trying to put him into the context where Tim claimed he wanted him to be seen. Tommy was supposed to be a mentor or a more experienced man helping Buck navigate this side of himself.) As a teacher, Tommy did help him navigate, but he also let Buck set the pace. Although never shown, we know Buck is a very sexual being, and the deleted scene with Tommy, Hen, and Karen confirmed that Tommy was just trying to keep up with him.
But I digress. Buck's intention to befriend Tommy ended the exact moment that Eddie showed up at the hangar with a huge smile on his face. Stoic Eddie who does not show his emotions was smiling hugely. Even though this is from Buck's perspective and he is an unreliable narrator, it is plausible to me that Eddie would be excited to go to a live fight in Vegas. Oliver and Tim have talked a lot over the past few weeks about how Buck spirals. When Eddie left with Tommy, Buck began to spiral in a way that we have never seen before or since. He was absolutely unhinged with jealousy. There is no way that Buck, who didn't even ask about Tommy's dating history until six months into the relationship, was that insane to get the attention of a man he has known for a few days or weeks. Now that we are pulling in new material from the current season, it isn't even remotely believable that Buck's reaction was about Tommy.
If Buck had experienced some sort of love-at-first-sight moment with Tommy, then he would have asked Tommy about his past at the beginning of the relationship. In fact, people entering into something serious generally ask about past partners in the first few weeks of getting to know each other or before sex. The fact that Buck didn't, is a change in pattern for him. Buck typically throws himself all in and then when things go wrong, he doesn't know how he got there. (Also part of the hamster wheel.) However, I attribute the difference this time to the fact that, subconsciously, Buck knows what he's feeling. He can use his body. (borderline sex addict). However, he can't bring himself to share with Tommy what he already shares with Eddie, but you know our unaware cowboy can't see it yet.
At the hangar, Tommy didn't have a feel for Buck yet. However, by the end of the Vegas trip, I think he had picked up a good idea from Eddie that there was something there. (not because Eddie has made some sort of confession, but because I'm confident that Eddie talked about Buck nonstop. I'm hoping that we get some sort of confirmation of this in the current season. I don't want it to be forgotten.) At any rate, whatever conclusions Tommy drew from his time in Vegas with Eddie and the time they spent hanging out afterward didn't bother him enough to refuse to date Buck. I do think Tommy was longing for the family and support he could see Buck has with the 118, but I don't think he was ever planning a wedding in his head. In fact, I know he wasn't. That's part of why he broke up with Buck.
Sidenote: (Thanks to StageFourEddieDiaz, for pointing out how Buck failed to understand the mission from Josh's speech because this is what caused Buck to shift from not letting Tommy get too close to asking Tommy to move in with him.) Until the conversation with Josh, Buck was actively shutting Tommy out of anything other than sex and possibly learning the ins and outs of the LGBTQ community.
Again, in the beginning, this didn't bother Tommy. He knew what Buck needed, and as he stated a few times during the sixth episode, Buck was hot and fun. If you need examples of Buck shutting Tommy out, I point you to anything that happened in the Halloween episode. I'm not saying Buck didn't care about Tommy at all, but he was holding back. The look on Buck's face as Josh asked about his feelings really said it all. I think this is probably why Josh was a little shy of the mark when giving his speech about comphet. Josh had to give a long list of, "Do you feel "this or that" for your boyfriend of six months," before he finally hit on something that Buck did feel. I don't want to get off topic or repeat too much from the linked post, I just wanted to illustrate that the jealousy from Buck's coming out episode was 100% for Eddie and that it was something that Tommy realized before entering the relationship.
I know there will be some disagreement here, but I also feel like Tommy's feelings for Buck actually were on the verge of changing, and he hadn't expected that. When they were standing at the grave, Buck gave his eulogy directed to Billy Boils. Tommy's face went through a series of changes. First, he seemed annoyed or concerned. I couldn't quite tell, but the more Buck talked, the more you could see of our Buck. The guy with a huge heart who can empathize with the skeletal remains of a criminal. I'll link the clip for you to judge. What Buck had to say to Billy was more open and revealed more about Buck's character than anything he had been saying to Tommy over the past six months. It was a small scene, but one that probably came back to Tommy when Buck suggested moving in together.
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It was scenes like this one combined with Tommy's exclusion from group chat, etc., that probably helped to remind him that Buck's feelings six months ago were not about him and nothing had changed despite Buck's suggestion that he move in. Tommy's insecurities took over and reminded him what the inevitable end was going to be for them. He was the first not the last.
For the past six months, he's known that Eddie was between them, but you could see how comfortable he was with it. He didn't seem annoyed by Eddie's presence at all. I disagree with either Tim or Oliver when they try to play up that Tommy was Eddie's friend and this was natural. Eddie and Buck met Tommy at the same time, and Tommy was trying to shoot his shot by taking Eddie to Vegas. I don't know what was discussed between Eddie & Tommy during those few weeks where Buck was being left out, but it is clear that whatever conclusion he had drawn from the Vegas trip had been solidified by what happened on the basketball court, so much so that he wanted to apologize to Buck in person. We all know how that went, and I still think that was a good scene.
This brings me to the breakup scene itself. In the end, when Tommy talks about how he didn't see it coming. I don't think he was referring to the breakup. I think he was referring to the feelings he caught close to the end. He thought he would help Buck, provide a safe space for Buck to explore that he personally didn't have, and have some fun with a hot young thing, but he let it go too far. (His reasons are pretty much part of what Tim has said in interviews.) I don't think Tommy realized how much he had gotten caught up in the fantasy of Buck until Buck asked him to move in with him. I do think he's sincere when he says his heart would end up broken because, despite his feelings, he still understands there is something between Buck and Eddie even if they don't.
(One side note. I agree with Buck that first and last can be the same thing. I don't buy into the belief that you have to be with dozens of sexual partners, but I also don't think that would have been the case with Buck. He is a sexual character, and he's openly curious. I know people were mad about the interview where Oliver talked about letting Buck F#ck, but I think that would be in character for an upset Buck who was just dumped. It is less about his sexuality than it is about his abandonment issues and neglect trauma. That's my take anyway. We'll see what Tim does with it. I do think the part of Buck that craves monogamy already belongs to someone else, and the di was cast before Tommy came into his life, and we are back again to the hamster wheel.)
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If you stuck with me this long, thank you. I know there are few, if any, fans of Tommy around here so I appreciate that you were willing to objectively view him the way Tim kept trying to present him. I'm tired and I'm pretty sure I rambled a couple of times, but I do understand Tommy is a problematic character. I consider that to be a writing issue that never got a satisfying resolution. I'm equally aware some people hate him simply because he was with Buck. I'm not doing a lot of judging these days because I already know how unreasonable I'm going to be over Eddie being with another man. After seven seasons of subtext, they are already in love. These other relationships are like cheating. lol I'm not so secretly hoping that if Eddie needed a "first" he got it when he was a teenager or when he was in Afghanistan.
I can tell I'm going to be bad because when I see posts about Eddie sleeping with a priest, I want to scream into a pillow and pretend that I'm flipping over furniture and tossing chairs across the room. I just can't be reasonable. I would never attack the actors or writers though. That's not me. My jealousy is on Buck's behalf, and my bad behavior remains entirely inside my head. I don't know what they'll do with Eddie, but they are going to need a chat group to make sure Eddie's boyfriends do not meet with Buck's subconscious mind.
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Stephanie Brown for the headcanon game please!!
You, I'll have you know, were actually first (good job), but I've been sitting on this one because my canon knowledge for Steph is bad and my fanon knowledge for Steph is bad, so she's in the pile of characters I have yet to get a good grip on.
Headcanon 1: Realistic
Of the melange of canon backstories I've seen for Steph, my personal (admittedly sketchy) interpretation for Steph thus far has been:
Lower-middle class kid (not poor-poor but definitely a "one emergency from disaster" type household)
Lived on the edge of the Narrows and went to a low-ranked public school, so she identifies more with Jason's end of the spectrum than Tim's
Her dad is the standard crook/deadbeat/conman. Not physically abusive to her, probably but neither caring nor present. Very self-centered, definitely verbally harsh at best.
I don't ascribe to the nurse-stealing-opioids version of Steph's mom. I think her mom is a nurse and works long, unappreciated hours. She loves her daughter, maybe a little abstractly, and tries to be what she thinks a good mom is, but she's essentially a single parent whose deadbeat ex shows up to cause problems from time to time. Once Cluemaster is off the game board and Steph is a little older, I do think they have a bit of a trauma-bond relationship thing going on.
Headcanon 2: May or not be realistic, is definitely funny (at least to me)
Stephanie absolutely tries to rename herself at multiple points in her childhood. If you keep her rooted in the time she was created, she's one of like seven Stephanies in her class. If you affix her more towards present day, Stephanie is a dated name and she doesn't like it.
She absolutely goes the Anne Shirley route and picks a name she feels has pizazz and tries to get her classmates and teachers to roll with it. Alas, they do not. It does not help that she tries this at least three different times.
Headcanon 3: Evil and heart-breaking why would you do this
Not evil or heart-breaking, just softly melancholy.
Stephanie does. not. want Bruce to be her dad. No thank you! She's done with dads as a concept anyways, but if she were in the market for one, it wouldn't be Bruce Wayne, are you crazy? (If she had to pick, maybe if forced she would pick Jim Gordon, because she sees how he treats Barbara and she hears how Barbara speaks about him in return.)
Bruce Wayne, though? No way, Jose.
But she cannot escape the fact that every kind thing he's ever done for her, every quiet word of praise, every awkwardly tentative pat on the shoulder, every time he's stopped and just rested a heavy hand atop her head, as if taking a moment to soak in her presence was all he needed, has been indelibly carved into her brain for all time.
She doesn't want a dad, and she doesn't want Bruce to be her dad, but secretly she's glad she does have a Bruce.
Headcanon 4: Doesn’t align with canon (or maybe even reality) but I do what I want
By the time Stephanie is in her mid-twenties, her hair has darkened so much, it's more accurately classified as an undistinguished light brown. There, I said it. Stephanie Brown bleaches her hair as an adult.
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Why Batcest is a Thing
I was talking with my friend the other day and while she's not a batcest shipper, she asked me why I was. I said that I don't think I take it to the same extremes some other people do, a few things that aren't a personal favorite of mine would be any of the REALLY younger kids with Bruce or say Dick and Damian. It's mostly the age gap that gets to me.
But she asked why I liked JayTim and I had a time explaining it to her and I wanted to bring it here as a sort of explanation, I suppose for people who might not enjoy batcest ships.
first of all, the name. Batcest is... an interesting name. A lot of arguments you'll come across is that they're not actually related, or there are some fanfics out there for aus where one of them (most commonly Tim or Jason) were never apart of the Batfamily in the first place. Of course, there are some where they are! Because, at the end of the day, in Canon they do share a family. But the implication of it being incest can be a real no no for people, even if it's not. Dick wasn't adopted into the family for quiet some time (I think he was adopted around the same time Tim was but I'm not a 100% sure, not to mention he acted as his ward and then aged out of it), Jason was adopted but after his return to life has regularly denied his part in the family (Look at literally any Red Hood Comic, though I do prefer to look at the New 52 Red Hood and The Outlaws for his feelings towards Bruce and the Wayne's in general), Tim was adopted but was later emancipated (in Red Robin), and Damian has a blood relation to Bruce only. Morally, there can be a problem with it but for mow shippers, since this is fiction, the lack of blood relation means there's no problem. Remember! They're not real people. Adoptive relationships, or pseudo familial ones, they don't see these relations as any reason to not ship them! And in later points, I go into why. And if people really had a problem with this pseudo familiar relationships, take for example Tim and Jason who have never once lives under the same roof nor have any legal connection to each other through Bruce, then on principal alone they should have a problem with Cassandra and Stephanie - Cass is adopted by Bruce, yes, but Bruce has also claimed Stephanie as part of the family and includes her in family talks. Does that not make them family members? No. They're friends or girlfriends, depending on how you want to interpret them.
Secondly, the canon relationships that any of the Bats have with their partners. I could go through all of them and explain the nuance of the relationships but I'll simplify for the sake of the post. In Bruce's sake, whether it be Talia or Selina or for the more fanon ones like Clark and Min Khoa (i think that's how you spell that, I'm not sure though!), there's no denying that in Canon these relationships don't pan out. Talia and Bruce have moral problems, even if she was originally a spy and didn't kill, and Selina and Bruce have an entire history of problems. For Dick, himself and Barbara are much of the same. A sweet beginning until something comes in to ruin it and they break up. Take, for example, the newest Nightwing run (on webtoon and not technically canon, i know). Barbara breaks up with Dick because she feels disconnected from him and like he's still preforming for her, but they have no conversation about this prior to it. With Kori, I'm not as knowledgeable about why they broke up, all I know is that they did and it was ugly. Another example is Tim! Himself and Stephanie didn't work out because she couldn't trust him, due to now knowing his identity, and then she faked her death, causing the distrust between them both. These are only a few examples of how relationships work out for Bats and in my personal opinion I think it's because of a ack of understanding for the characters, their love interests I mean. And in fanon, partners for Batfamily members tend to be washed down - Kon acts as an emotional crutch for Tim, Roy has morals he simply does not stand with anymore in Canon in JayRoy fics, Barbara is an anecdote in DickBarbara fics, and Selina is barely featured in Bruce fics. Not to mention the simple lack of wlw fics in the fandom that aren't background.
Due to this, the shipping of Batfamily members together is only natural. The characters share similar morals or in the case of Tim have such complicated morals that in fandom you can pick and choose what to use. They're fleshed out, have a canon relationship with multiple layers to it, and complete each other in many ways. In comparison to some of the fandom favorite ships like SuperBat or BirdFlash, where we only see a two dimensional aspect of their relationship recently, then the shipping of characters like Jason and Tim or Tim and Dick together is a natural conclusion to reach.
And Finally, History and old characteristics. It was mentioned before in another post that I'll try to hunt down for you guys and link in a repost because it will be WORLDS better than what I could write and have much more research thrown into it than this does, but originally there were a lot of implications under their relationships, specifically Bruce and Dick. Wardships programs were used by a lot of gay people when gay marriage was illegal, so were adult adoptions. It was to have a legal connection in whatever way possible. And I think in a really old comic, Dick has a dream where he's living in the manor as an adult still with Bruce. Bruce has a portrait of them together. They eat breakfast together in their pajamas or underwear, and spend all their time together. Batman regularly saves Robin over civilians and for his relationships, sometimes they wouldn't work out simply because of Dick. It worked this way for many Superheroes and their sidekicks in the "golden age" of comics! Batman has always had queer undertones since his creation but adding Robin into the mix just proved this. Like it or not, Bruce and Dick had sexual and romantic implications to their relationship since the character was first introduced in the 40s.
As for Old characteristics, in the New 52 i feel as though some of the characters have been washed down do their base characteristics. They lack depth in a way some characters don't or in a way some do, particularly in fanon. Dick's possessive originally and I see people talking about his anger issues as a child a lot, especially in comparison to Jason's Robin run, but either way - the characters have changed throughout the years. That doesn't mean that people can't cling on to their old relationships or even their old personalities. People are so fond of making Jason insane and crazy and Hella mean when in recent adaptations, he's a normal vigilante for all intents and purposes. He's not even a crime lord anymore, I'm pretty sure he still owns the Iceberg Lounge. That's all to say that the boys used to be a lot closer than they are now, especially Tim and Dick and Dick and Bruce.
The conclusion to my explanation to her is that batcest is much of the same as any other ships - picking and choosing what to take from canon to put two people together into a relationship that you like. It's a work of fiction and while that's important to remember, it doesn't say anything about you in real life! you don't enjoy real life incest if you like JayTim. That's all to say si that there's reasons behind it that some people like and some people don't. She wasn't swayed by my answer but accepted it since she couldn't deny that the Batfamily has been explored on and their relationships together so much more than their relationships with anyone else, canon or fanon.
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