#when they actually are making a valid point and the hero has some moral drift to confront? YES.
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YOU GET IT, this is exactly how I feel about - wait hang on
Also for the ask game: "you and I are not so different after all" type parallels drawn between a villain and a main character? (As in, when it is implied by the narrative or outright suggested by one of them they they are essentially pursuing the same type of goal with the same methods, just with different framing)
B by virtue of it being a Very High C -- i fucking love this trope so goddamn much but, like, the villain and the narrative both have to earn that, and if they don't then it's the most obnoxious thing in the world
however, when it's done well (and lucky for me, a lot of the time it is) then it's very tasty and i enjoy it a great deal. then again i'm a TIZ Team enjoyer i don't know why this'd be a surprise to you ;P
#hm. Hm. that's weird I didn't even make that connection while sending this lol#i guess i really am a This Trope Enjoyer huh#it is one of the most obnoxious things possible when it's played completely straight and anviliciously#(read: most superhero media)#but pretty much any other spin on it I absolutely love#when they actually are making a valid point and the hero has some moral drift to confront? YES.#when the villain tries to do this to get under the hero's skin but the hero pinpoints exactly what makes them different#and proves them wrong? AMAZING#when the hero /can't/ actually do that and has to be reassured by friends after the action to dispel the horrible lingering fear? IDEAL
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You always seem down on the idea of the Batfam. I mean, it is hard to take seriously when writers make Bruce hostile or downright abusive towards his kids, or when Batfam members never interact. But do you think the concept itself is good, and it's just been the victim of bad writing? Or do you think the Batfam is a bad idea that can never work?
Hi there Anon! Thank you for the ask!
Hmm, this is a difficult question. Maybe I can answer this better if I do it in parts because the concept of âBatfamilyâ is used in different ways currently. A way to separate them can be, DCâs Batfamily, Fandomâs Batfamily and Fandomâs Batfamily lore being introduced in comicsâ canon.
DCâs Batfamily:
My rejection of this version of Batfamily comes from all angles, it is not a good concept within comics lore anymore, itâs badly written and used to hide and move on from truly horrendous actions done by Bruce towards the rest of the family, and DC uses the concept of âBatfamilyâ that fandom has become so attached to, so they can profit off of it without writing anything of real essence with it.
Why did I say that the Batfamily isnât a good concept anymore? Well, because the Batfamily that I first came across in comics included, Bruce, Dick, Alfred, Barbara, Tim and Cassandra. It was rather small and their books interconnected and had pretty solid relationships with one another. Dick and Tim got along and spent time together, Barbara mentored Cass so she could become Batgirl and so on and so forth. The family was smaller and more connected. But they still had problems and bad habits then. So, I liked them as a group of people that worked together and the name they received was âBatfamilyâ as a way for DC to profit from it.
Right now, the Batfamily is huge, I donât know if you have seen those splash pages with all the members of it for Rebirth and Infinite Frontier, but those promotional pages were crazy big, characters like Harley and Clownhunter are now considered part of the âBatfamilyâ and all that. Then there is the kind of characters like Cass, Steph and Kate who are all connected to Batman but that havenât been appearing in books for very long, so putting them on that page really feels like DC is trying to prove that their âBatfamilyâ actually has women on it, but itâs just for show.
And then there is Dick, Jason, Tim and Damian, the most recognizable faces of the Batfamily aside from Bruce and Alfred (but Alfred is dead now so he doesnât really count), all of them have had issues with Bruce or are indifferent to the existence of one another. Yes, Tom Taylor has included Tim in Dickâs book but here is the thing, it feels like he put him there just to make fans shut up about the lack of content with both of them acting as they used to do. But its false and lazy, Taylor just brought Tim to the book but we donât get to see Tim and Dick interact in ways that can explain why they drifted off, it kinda seems like all those years where Dick and Tim were pulled apart never happened to DC and that makes me think âcash grabâ. I would have loved to see them interact again if it meant that we would have some solid story for them to develop their relationship once more.
At the end of Rebirth, Damian was pissed off at Bruce and they had a fight and Damian left the manor completely. Bruce beat up Jason, then gave him a hug but still told him that he was banned from Gotham and all that abuse and manipulation was swept under the rug when DC came out with Urban Legends: Cheer, all they did with that story is lie and made-up stories about Jason wanting Bruce to go on a killing spree so Gotham can finally be the home to his beloved family (lies, lies, lies).
On top of all that we have the neglect, abuse and manipulation that Bruce had going on with Dick, ever since Bruce manipulated Dick into joining Spyral his actions havenât faced any consequences (the family still believes that Dick was the one who lied about dying). And as recently as the end of Rebirth, Dick suffered from a head injury that left him amnesiac and Bruce absolutely didnât care enough to look after him when he was so vulnerable and alone. DC had the audacity of having Bruce say that he was looking after Dick while Dick went from one villain manipulating and hurting him to another, and if we look at Batmanâs run, we can see that he spent some of that time in a weird pit or playing catch the pussy with Selina in a tropical island.
So, taking all those things into account, I honestly believe that the Batfamily is a concept that absolutely does not belong in comics. If it were to be taken seriously then DC should come up with (organic, not forced) stories that make these characters connect once again, but they have to be careful, just because they can connect it doesnât mean that everyone gets along and they have group chats and eat dinner together of Fridays, that would be a blatant lie and just too out there for their kind of dynamic, so, they should take things slow, start re-building what once was an make it better (if they want to make it work and feel like less of a cash grab).
I heard that there is a book with Cass and Steph being mentored as Batgirls by Barbara coming out in December, that to me is a good thing, what was done in Robin #5 was awful, Jason didnât have or want to be there, Tim, what the hell was Tim doing there? The only ones that have gotten along with Damian and have had a solid relationship with him were Dick and Steph. Dick had a very nice moment with Damian in that issue, but Steph didnât, they preferred to have Jason wanting to hug Damian instead (what the actual hell was that?).
Fandomâs Batfamily:
Fandom is a place where people can take any concept from anywhere and transform it into whatever they please. This fandom is just like any other in that matter, but I have noticed that sometimes the Batfamily Fandom tends to blur the lines between whatâs fanon and canon. Their lore is so deep and established among people that they sometimes (willingly or not) make new readers or other people believe that how things and perceived in fandom is how things actually are in comics, and that is a huge problem.
Things like âDick sent Jason to Arkham when the Joker was just a cell awayâ, âJason has pit madness and when he gets mad his eyes turn glowy greenâ, âDick was a horrendous brother to Jason before Jason diedâ, âJason would be good friends with Tim and Cassâ, âJason is the only one that sees the world differently from Bruce and the other robins because he is the only one that comes from a life with no luxuryâ and so on and on and onâŠ
All of those things are sometimes treated as the absolute truth by fandom and no matter how many times people have debunked and explained that those things arenât part of comicsâ canon because they are simply not true, fandom stills treats those things as the basis of their Batfamily lore.
That lore would be actually fascinating if people didnât lose sight so easily of the fact that at the end of the day none of that lore can be applied to comicsâ canon.
When you enter this fandom things can be extremely confusing and the way some of the characters are characterized are completely different to their canon characterizations, I knew that the Dick fandom was writing about was not real, but I had no idea that Tim being a coffee addict that hasnât slept in five months and is an absolute genius in everything and anything that he does was completely out of character for him, I just thought that was true to his character in comics too. Something like that happened to me when I took a peek at Jasonâs side of fandom, by that time I had read Red Hood/Arsenal, UtRH and New 52 RHatO (yeah in that order, Red Hood/Arsenal wasnât finished yet though), with the already conflicting characterizations of those books, the first look that I had at fandomâs Jason confused me even more. After considering all those I decided that the Jason that I wanted to see and actually looked appealing to me was UtRH Jason.
Not all people in fandom read comics and that is ABSOLUTELY VALID, I have zero problems with people not liking the comic characterizations of the âBatfamilyâ characters, but that in itself also creates a rift between fans themselves.
Fandomâs Batfamily lore being introduced in comicsâ canon:
This is obviously the intersection of the other two points and this is the biggest problem that I have with the Batfamily concept. The fandom lore has been leaking into comicâs canon for a while now but right now we are kinda drowning in it. Decisions that have been made recently in DC like, Jason giving up his guns, the group chats in Nightwing issues, the family dinners that were hinted at in Cheer #6, and Bruce having had at the ready a Red Hood suit for Jason with a Batman logo in its chest, have been proof enough that DC is planning on skipping any kind of solid writing for these characters to actually get along. We are never going to see these people sit down and talk about their differences and respect each otherâs work ethics.
We are never going to get stories of actual essence that prove that these characters understand and care for each other, we are just going to be told that âall is goodâ and now everyone loves one another and they will build from there.
That is a problem for me.
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And it also takes away duality from Gothamâs vigilantes, I know I say this too much but itâs the truth, putting all these characters under the ruling of Batman makes them all bland. Jason shouldnât be part of any sort of group that involves Bruce! My god, I donât want to see them interact anymore! Bruce has been absolute trash to Jason ever since he came back from the dead and I am tired of DC trying to make them be on good terms!
Jason and Bruce not getting along can co-exist with the fact that Jason isnât a villain to Batmanâs legendary hero. Jason is his own character, with his own morals and he doesnât need a bat symbol on his chest or book logo to be relevant. Same with Dick, Tim and Barbara, let them be characters that can stand on their own because they have already done that!
Barbara as Oracle worked WITH Batman if she wanted, she had her own logo and had passed on the mantle of Batgirl because he had grown out of it.
Dick is Nightwing and has become an even better hero than Batman could even aspire to become, he has contacts with everyone in the DC universe, has led countless teams, he doesnât NEED a batman logo on his book or to be constantly dragged back to him just to make the Bat more compelling.
Jason, my sweet Jason, he had his own logo! It was gorgeous and then Lobdell had the audacity to stamp a Batman logo in the middle of the book name and in Jasonâs chest! Have we gone absolutely mad? Why did they do that? Lobdellâs constant back and forth with Jason and his feelings for Bruce, he respects him and he doesnât, he kills and he doesnât⊠each issue felt like a new take on the character! It was crazy!
And that has happened with everyone in the âfamilyâ. I will end this by saying that Bruce/Batman being at the centre of this âBatfamilyâ dynamic is the most laughable thing in the DC Universe. Batman isnât family to any of the people that they constantly surround him with, he is a piece of shit.
Anyway Anon, I hope this answer doesnât ruin your day and that you understand that even though I really donât like the âBatfamilyâ concept, you and everyone else are allowed and encouraged to think differently!
Hope you have a marvellous day Anon!
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HEWWO I HAVE QUESTIONS.... flint: 1, 5, 19, 22, 25, 30, 33, 36, 41, 49, 51 / cadma: 3 8, 15, 21, 52, 57, 59 / feng huo: 9, 17, 30, 31, 67
KISSES U.... thank u for asking about my chilbren... answers under cut bc long :âD
Flint
Iâm gonna answer theirs according the alternate story thing I have for them instead of their actual game self because those are. Two very different people lol :âD This is probably what you wanted anyway?! uwu
1. why did they choose their class(es)? their subclass(es)? Becoming a warlock was never in their intentions, it was done more so because both parties would benefit from the relationship. Flintâs patron needs to earn some favor with a higher power to accomplish their own goals and Flint needed to get rid of some undead, so a celestial patronage was a pretty painless deal. They need each other a little more than they might realize though :^)
5. do they follow a higher power? what are their thoughts on divinity? They donât follow a higher power, necessarily. Because of their patron they do have to keep in mind that their power comes from being in someoneâs good books, and they act accordingly to stay there. Otherwise they believe in the power of gods and all, but their relationship with divinity is generally pretty lax. Theyâre the kind of person who only prays when they need it, if that makes sense?
19. what haunts them? what doesnât? All the mistakes from Flintâs not-so-distant past bite at their heels every now and then. What doesnât haunt them so much is probably the fact they rob tombs lmao... As far as Flint is concerned, an angry spirit or two canât touch them the same way a grudge from the corporeal can.
22. what is a promise theyâve broken? Thereâs a lot... but probably the one that ruins them the most is a promise they made to themselves not to hurt people.
25. what stories do they like to tell? what stories do they like to hear? Flint is an expert at spooky campfire ghost stories, mostly because they draw from their own experiences. As for what they like to hear... They like very classic âhero gets the girlâ kinds of tales! Stuff you donât have to take too seriously, and are just stories to be stories.
30. what do they seek out from others? Someone to watch their back while they pilfer jewels and to stoke the campfire when itâs their turn to keep watch at night. In a word, reliability!
33. what makes them cry? So many things... Flint acts tough but theyâre a baby... To rattle off a few things, they get weepy whenever someone cares too much about them, whenever someone has to say goodbye (no matter how temporary), and whenever they hear something sappy and romantic. It is almost too easy to pull at their heartstrings.
36. whatâs a secret theyâve kept? Probably the biggest secret they keep is what they were like in the past. They spent a lot of years doing some pretty... morally and ethically questionable things...
41. what are they attracted to in other people? Itâs weird... but probably loneliness? Not in a sad way or anything (exclusively). Flint has ended up surrounded by people who know too much, so much so that it makes them unquestionably different from others. That kind of thing breeds loneliness and Flint likes filling voids. Being needed? Thatâs sexy.
49. what makes them smile? They will visibly light up when they get close to a certain town. Where a certain person lives. :^) But also theyâll smile in almost any relaxed situation, like while theyâre playing music, listening in on casual conversations, or just drinking in nature.
51. what is the most beautiful thing in the world, for them? A tomb full of riches... polished gold... ah, it almost brings a tear to their eye...
Cadma
3. what is their goal right now? Heâs kind of drifting through life, just with a lot of enthusiasm, so I donât think he really has grand ambitions or anything. I suppose you could say his goal right now is supposed to be thwarting a lich queenâs evil plans for world domination, but honestly heâs just here to vibe.
8. what are three songs that suit them? Wait I donât know anything about music- UH Soldier, Poet, King by The Oh Hellos, Hereâs a Health to the Company by The Longest Johns, and Halcyon by The Paper Kites kind of fit Cadmaâs vibes. Despite his personality heâs pretty mellow on the inside!
15. do they trust their party? why or why not? Cadma trusts his party more than anything, because heâs stuck by them for longer than anyone else. He used to be (and probably still is letâs be real) very flaky- the second something looks more interesting, or things start looking dangerous heâs GONE. So hanging out with the same crew for years, through thick and thin, has gotta mean SOMETHING at this point, right??
21. do they follow their head, their heart, or their body? Definitely his heart, maybe a little his body. Cadma just has no braincells.
52. from whom do they seek validation? People with more brains than him lol... His old captain (even though that ship has kind of sailed), his current party members, pretty much anyone who is perceivably smarter than he is is someone he wants to keep around and impress.
57. what makes them angry? Not a whole lot, but anyone who uses their faith as justification for keeping the status quo gets put immediately on a hit list. That, and anyone who disrespects a ship đ€
59. what is a quiet passion of theirs? Nothing about Cadma is very quiet, but recently heâs taken up whittling because he needed something to do while everyone else in the party figured out puzzles :â) Heâs not good at it.
Feng Huo
9. do they care about their appearance? how much effort do they put into presentation? Not a whole lot! Feng Huo was kind of cast out of his village with nothing but the clothes on his back, so he does try to keep what heâs wearing tidy since he canât exactly afford rips and tears. As well as that, he maintains normal upkeep on all his feathers and plumage just to keep healthy!
17. what do they dream about, when their dreams are their own? They dream about going home one day, seeing all the family and friends they were forced to leave behind. Heâs a little afraid of how much mightâve changed in his absence, but his heart really aches for his village. Heâs super homesick :â(
30. what do they seek out from others? Nothing! Feng Huo is the kind of person who gives without asking anything in return. I guess what he wants the most is someone who will just be nice to him, or wonât treat him differently? He gets a lot of looks because heâs a phoenix, so being near people who donât think heâs weird would be very nice!
31. theyâre given a blank piece of paperâwhat do they do with it? At first he wants to write a letter home, but then he decides against it when he realizes no one will know where to deliver it so he just makes a paper crane instead. Not in a sad way though!! Itâs more like... an âoh well! plan b!â kind of way :âD
67. what makes them laugh? Literally anything... Corny jokes and terrible puns especially!
THANK U FOR THE ASK THIS WAS FUN!!! ilu â„
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(3H SPOILERS) Analysis of Main Characters in FE and the Western FE Communityâs Perception of Them
In the midst of all the Three Houses hype, thereâs a lot of contention with Edelgard as a character as well as her route in general with how it plays out.
With this, itâs given me some perspective on how the community feels about main characters and whether or not they are liked and/or well written. Since I am a Westerner myself, please always assume this is in the context of the western FE audience, as I donât know enough about the JP audience to do comparisons or whatnot.
Now with this, thereâs more or less a pattern with some main characters in how theyâre received by western fans. (Sigurd, Seliph, Leif, Roy and Kris wonât be covered in this since I havenât read enough of their gamesâ scripts to get a grasp on them)
The most contentious main characters by far are Eirika, Micaiah, Corrin and Celica (when I say contentious I donât mean unpopular as they have many fans; however, though popular, they also have the most detractors).Â
These characters all have very defined flaws that get them in trouble in their games, are peace seeking in general and look for peaceful ways unless there is no other choice, and all do questionable things in their stories that call for doubt, discussion, and criticism. Most of their development comes from making mistakes and learning from them. They are also all known for getting into situations where they either need rescue or because of something they fucked up.
The least contentious main characters (compared to the four above, I might add) are Hector, Ephraim, Ike, and Alm.Â
They may or may not have noticeable flaws, but they hardly ever cause trouble for them. They may or may not seek peace at some opportunities, but are always willing, with no hesitation, to fight. They are all blunt and speak their mind, and though sometimes that poses situations where they could get into trouble, but they never really do. Most of their development comes from growth after bad things happening to them rather than something that they messed up.
In this, realize that main characters are the ones that people identify with the most, therefore, thereâs a reason for certain characters to be less contentious than others. In particular, the reason for FE main characters?
Itâs probably a little bitchy to say it like this, but itâs kind of power fantasy esque.Â
Hector, Ephraim, Ike, and Alm all have great authority/renown within their groups or territories and are always seemingly in control of the situation. They are hardly questioned, and when they are they are almost always proven right. In short, the players like these characters because they are validated as strong, intelligent, and almost always in control of the moment. Since these are the characters players identify with, the players themselves feel validated.
In contrast, compare to them Eirika, Micaiah, Corrin and Celica. They hold little authority (compared to the other four), are questioned and not always proven right, doubted at some points, they question and doubt themselves, theyâre not as notably strong in various fields like the other four so they donât get validated as the other four. Being main characters, these are also characters that players are to identify with, but since they have unattractive/undesirable qualities to them, (and because FE players always believe they themselves have the perfect solutions to everything) they are instead cast aside as being badly written, stupid, incompetent, and the oh so misused moniker, Mary Sue.Â
(Well, Celica doesnât really get called that, but thatâs because she wasnât known by the audience that uses it frequently, and Echoes came out at a period when people stopped using it wrongly)
Again, I donât wanna sound condescending, but power fantasy is really what I get from this.
Now there is sort of a problem with this theory, and thatâs Ephraim, because heâs contentious in his own right because of the shit he pulls in FE8, but he gets less flack than his sister, Corrin, and Micaiah, so...
Anyway, besides the characters I intentionally left out because I didnât know enough about them, there remains Marth, Lyn, Eliwood, Chrom, Robin, and the 3H Lords.
Whatâs notable about Mar-Mar is that his Shadow Dragon interpretation is very well received over here in the west. Marth in Shadow Dragon is written as being more blunt, and not really questioning himself, his actions, or anything that happens around him. Notice how this is very much unique to SD, as the original Dark Dragon script as well as Mystery and New Mystery portray softer, more idealistic Mar-Mars. Heroes also takes after those portrayals. Yet the audience here likes the SD portrayal the best; the one most similar to Hector, Ephraim, Ike, and Alm.
Lyn is in an interesting situation; sheâs very much in control and sheâs not as unimportant in the story as some say, but itâs still very much Eliwoodâs story. Which makes it all the more weird that Hector shines over poor Eli. Had Lyn not been many players first Waifu FE lord, Hector would no doubt be the most popular one. Compared to Hec, Eli is peaceseeking and idealistic, though not to the point of the more contentious lords, so he gets passed on compared to his friends, but not to the point where people think heâs badly written.
Chrom and Robin are in an interesting situation as well, as the story is Chromâs and then gradually becomeâs Robinâs story as it nears the end. (Some say they stole it from Chrom, but I would say itâs like the spotlight slowly drifted from him to them)Â
Chrom doesnât have a notable flaw that gets him into danger, and is in control/has authority throughout a good deal of the campaign, but also very emotional and starts looking for peaceful solutions more often than say Hector, Ephraim, Ike, and Alm. Chrom tries to reason with Walhart, even, and those other four would never. So heâs kind of at an in between. Robin... is kind of hard to discern. They are supposed to be the character the player identifies with more since they are the avatar. We do see that they are in control as well and never makes to many mistakes. But theyâre also batshit crazy for setting fleets on fire and fighting in a volcano. Having the player suspend their disbelief like that isnât the best thing for identifying with a character, but it seems people like them enough for other reasons so indirect validation isnât as prominent a thing with them.
Then come the 3H lords, and oh my, they do not fit into any sort of mold whatsoever; not perfectly anyway.
Byleth being a complete blank slate means they are truly in the middle on things; despite being the least customizable in appearance, they are the most avatar like of the FE avatars. The player can feel true, direct validation from the 3H cast as you get to pick which dialogue choices you want, and do other things at your own pace. (Unless you care about support points) As a character theyâre not anything too special, but since they are a true avatar, theyâre not seen as bad as say, Corrin, because the player can literally be who they want through Byleth and be validated by the story at the same time.
Edelgard, (the most discussed of the lords) is also unique. Never has a main character been so extreme in how they accomplish things. From what Iâve gathered from FE4, sheâs Arvis like. And yet, sheâs a protagonist in one possible outcome. She has the attractive qualities of protagonists like Hector and Ike, (being in control/having authority, speaking her mind) yet sheâs contentious because unlike them her morality is very grey. The very definition of the ends justify the means. Thereâs a reason her title in Heroes is âThe Futureâ. Because her goal and ambition is for the future, with no limit on what sheâll do to get there.
Dimitri is unique because he starts off as model prince, honor loving, sweet boy with bad hair. Then you gradually notice strange things about him, then Remire happens, then you learn heâs at the academy for revenge, then he goes feral at the Holy Tomb, and descends even further for 5 years, until heâs a revenge obsessed beast. He then begins his ascent back to being a proper king for his people (heâs more deserving of the title Restoration King than Ephraim, but thatâs just me). Thereâs never been a main character in FE that falls so low and then climbs back up like that.
Claude himself is unique as well. Besides being the most well adjusted of the three lords, heâs actually pretty idealistic compared to them. He has big dreams and ambitions for Fodlan, and his main concerns are with the world at large, and his story doesnât end with the major war among the 3 factions. Heâs intelligent enough to not be blinded by emotion like Dimitri but also keen enough enough to realize that pure brute force isnât the only option unlike with Edelgard. Heâs very much a middle ground, but a middle ground thatâs like a bell curve instead of a straight line, since Edie and Dima both fall hard and do messed up things, but are still not completely terrible people, whereas Claude is nowhere as extreme as they are and feels like a true balance.
If nothing else, 3 Houses achieves something very different with all of its main characters for once.
Anway, thatâs kind of all I have. Sorry for the long post, but Fire Emblem is my #1 game series for a reason, so I get big into these passion analyses sometimes.
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Americans believe a lot of lies about the police. In fact, most people can agree on this. They just disagree about what those lies are. Is the typical cop a cold-eyed executioner with a brutal disregard for human rights, or a selfless hero who risks his life to protect the community? Depending on who you are, you probably think one of those descriptions sounds utterly ridiculous. And youâre right. You recognize an obvious caricature when you see it. Just as the average Trump voter is neither a cross-burning Klansman nor an amiable unemployed plumber who just wants his job back, the average police officer is also a more complicated creature, a âsausage of angel and beast,â in the words of poet Nicanor Parra.
But âcomplicatedâ does not necessarily mean âgood,â or ârighteous,â or even âdefensible.â After a certain number of rapes and murders by police, it becomes much more difficult to believe that âa few bad applesâ are responsible for the flood of dead bodies and terrible headlines. The cases come from every part of the countryâhuge East Coast metropolises, laid-back liberal enclaves on the Pacific seaside, and even the sleepy small towns of the Midwest. Isolated incidents stop being isolated when they happen every week. Something is clearly wrong with Americaâs law enforcement.
Is this because cruel people become cops, or because becoming a cop makes people cruel? I used to think the answer was obvious, until I watched my friend kill a man on Facebook Live.
Jeronimo Yanez, better known as the cop who shot Philando Castile, was one of my best friends in high school. We played on the same baseball team and hung out in the same Chipotle parking lot. We went to senior prom together. On graduation day, we rolled our eyes and laughed while our parents took ten thousand pictures.
We drifted apart in the years that followed, as high school friends usually do, though once in a while heâd pop up in my newsfeed. My eyes would linger for a second over this CliffsNotes version of his life. Went on a fishing tripâcool. Got marriedâgood for him. Graduated from the police academyâwait, heâs a cop now?
Huh. Weird. What else?
Oh, hereâs a photo of Jeronimo holding his baby daughter. Hereâs one of him with a classroom full of smiling third-graders. Here are a dozen generic snapshots of an ordinary human enjoying some small and unremarkable pleasure. Five minutes with Photoshop, and that could be your face blowing out birthday candles.
Then, one day, my feed became an endless stream of articles saying that Jeronimo was a murderer.
The people who shared these stories were outraged and heartbroken. Some of them said that Jeronimo was a heartless racist who killed a man and deserved to burn in hell. Many agreed that his acquittal on all charges was yet another mockery of justice in an America that has become a brutal police state where government-sanctioned killers are all but immune from legal consequences, even when they execute an old man eating chicken in his own backyard.
To these people, I would say one thing:
Youâre right about the police, and youâre wrong about Jeronimo.
Before we continue, I have to make an apology of sorts. There are inherent problems in telling a story like this one, not the least of which is: why spend thousands of words talking about a cop who killed a human being and then walked free? Donât âwriters of conscienceâ have a moral obligation to elevate the stories of the oppressed above those of the oppressors? Isnât Philando Castile, the man who was killed, the person whose story we really ought to be telling? Isnât profiling his killer a waste of time, at best, and an implicit rationalization of police brutality, at worst?
These are all valid points, but theyâre not the only valid points. Our first duty is to mourn the deathâand celebrate the lifeâof Philando Castile. But we should seek to understand why Jeronimo Yanez pulled the trigger. We need to do the difficult and uncomfortable work of exploring how this particular âsausage of angel and beastâ was made. Was Jeronimo rotten from the start, or did he become contaminated by a toxic environment? We canât respond to this tragedy, or the broader tragedy of police violence in America, without a good answer to the question. Understanding what made Jeronimo shoot Philando  Castile is not an act of indulgence. Itâs a tactic for preventing future violence.
Although I never met him, I have to think thatâs something Philando Castile would want. Before his life was snatched away, he made a reputation as a man of incredible kindness and compassion. His family and friends have spoken about him far more eloquently than I could. His pastor, Danny Givens, said, âyou felt seen by himâŠ. you felt like you mattered, like you meant something to him at that moment.â His friend and co-worker, John Thompson, recalls that âif kids couldnât afford lunch, he would pay for their lunch out of his own pocket. And that was against school policy. And I mean kids canât afford lunch right now. They miss Mr. Phil at that school. They miss him. I miss my friend.â Another colleague, Joan Edman, put it simply: âthis man mattered.â
I believe that Castileâs death was a violation of the fundamental agreement that underpins any societyânamely, that its members agree to not slaughter each otherâand therefore that it is what most people would consider âa crime.â By definition, that makes Jeronimo Yanez a criminal. Critics of the criminal justice system are fierce and convincing in their call for criminals to be treated as human beings. I draw certain conclusions from that, but I understand that others will draw their own. Youâd have a point if you said, âbut Yanez isnât actually a criminalâheâs already been humanized by a system that literally let him get away with murder because he was scared.â This is true, and it is terrible. Yet even if you believe that heâs an inhuman monster, and you hate everything that he represents, itâs still generally a good idea to know your enemy, if only to fight him more effectively.
It is neither my intention nor desire to portray Jeronimo as a sympathetic figure. I just want to give a truthful description of the person I knew, because I believe that his story can help us understand why Americaâs police problems cannot be solved by âsmarterâ or ânicerâ cops. This is the most dangerous lie about the police. If they could turn my friend into a killer, there is a deeper evil at work.
I met Jeronimo Yanez on the first day of our sophomore year. It was September 2004 and I had just transferred to South St. Paul, proud home of the South St. Paul Packers. The school took its name from the historic Union Stockyards just down the street. Its slaughterhouses and meatpacking plants were slowly being replaced by respectably bland business centers, but a faint odor of boiling fat still wafted up from the riverside when the wind blew just right.
South St. Paul was the kind of blue-collar town that inspires entire Bruce Springsteen albums. Many families had lived there for over a hundred years. They traced their roots from the Eastern European immigrants who came to work in the stockyards, and who had built venerable social institutions (i.e. drinking establishments) with names like âCroatian Hallâ and âPolish National Association.â Polka music was enjoyed, meat raffles were held, bowling leagues were well-attended.
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I'm curious, you said you love megarod so much? What dynamic are you envisioning for the two? I personally don't like it because what interactions rodimus and megatron had seemed incredibly abusive or at least negative to me- but i'd be interested in seeing your view on the subject if you'd be willing to share?
(Sorry I took so long to answer, Chrome borked, and then I got tacos. I hope this doesnât come across rude or anything. I tend to be a little dry in my analysis. I blame being an art and  history major.)
I donât know if youâre following, or how long if you are. Partially because this has been a pretty prevalent ship on my my blog, along with another (that hugely developed from an amazing partner but thatâs a tangent). But also because Iâve written several meta before on Megatronâs warped perception of the world and development of unhealthy coping mechanisms that have modeled him to be The Way He Is, both of his own doing and outside contribution.
That being said, Megatron has grown to be an abusive individual. Practically any and all interaction he has with anyone at any given time can be taken that way. Heâs a short tempered, explosive, control freak who hates being told heâs wrong. Any ship with him is going to start off outright abusive, bordering abusive, or turn abusive, depending with what character and at what point in time you ship him. There is really no way around that, at all.
Through MTMTE and LL weâre watching both of these characters grow. Rodimus is valiantly trying to carve his own path, and make a name for himself, while trying to overcome his own hang-ups and insecurities. Heâs trying to prove himself and work himself out from under the shadow of the hero heâs practically worshipped, and sometimes still seeks guidance from, despite how said hero treats him. Megatron is seeking atonement more so than forgiveness, and itâs ultimately a journey of self-awareness and moving forward and accepting his eventual end. Granted, there are valid criticisms in how that story played out, and I have my own, but thatâs basically the gist of what story is being told here. Itâs a theme for them, and everyone else on the ship.
Whether you ship them romantically or not, itâs something pretty clearly presented that these two characters bring a sort of completion to each other. They are both each otherâs face and heel. The two of them are both rather stubborn and obstinate, and in their clashing, they teach each other. Megatron curbs Rodimusâ impulsivity and causes him to weigh the consequences and outcomes of his actions. Be a little more analytical in his approach. Exert and exercise control. And to actually be self-aware, as itâs something heâs struggling to learn for himself, too. Meanwhile, Rodimus shows Megatron that sometimes you have to fly by the seat of your pants. That itâs okay to let things be out of your control. And that itâs okay to be ruled by your kinder emotions, the ones that have been suppressed for so long.
Megatron does berate and chastise Rodimus. Itâs not usually for âno reasonâ, and often hinges on Rodimus being childish or otherwise pedantic, and Megatron not having any patience, and also a lack of tact on how to deal with it, especially early on as those aforementioned unhealthy control issues donât change overnight. And also because theyâre both stubborn individuals who donât like to yield. But despite their arguments, Megatron is one of the few characters that actually respects Rodimus. He doesnât go out of his way to demean or undermine him, or treat him like a child like so many other characters do, even when theyâre trying to be supportive. (Itâs only when Rodimus acts like it, and warrants it.) Their conflicts tend to come as a result of their equal stubbornness, and a difference of opinion (which isnât always that different, just the execution of it).
There is also the fact that the power imbalance is actually somewhat skewed toward Rodimus. Megatron may have been appointed the title of co-captain by Optimus, but Rodimus is ultimately the commanding officer, and has been. He is also essentially Megatronâs warden by extension. This is not something Megatron is used to, as heâs the one typically in charge. Of course heâs going to buck against that a bit. But Rodimus is the one with power over him. And he respects that Rodimus is a capable captain. He sees it, he knows it, and he knows that ROdimus doesnât actually see it in himself despite his bravado.
Conversely, Rodimus is shown to be an incredibly empathic character. While he makes himself out to be selfish and self centered, he is completely the opposite. He has a strong moral compass, and he will sacrifice himself to do what he feels is just and right, and for the better of everyone else. Heâs self sacrificing to a fault. He is also incredibly understanding, and willing to see past even centuries worth of corruption to find what lies underneath, and willing to give a second chance. His entire friendship with Drift is based around this alone. And despite his prejudices (prejudices with good reason), he is able to see Megatron taking steps to actually better himself, even if it seem sto everyone else that itâs too little too late.
The point is, they both bring a piece to each other that completes them, and in some way allows them to make a bigger step in the goal of their character growth. They also realize each othersâ potential at a level that no one else does. Is it because they empathise with each other on some level? Perhaps. Their convictions arenât that different. It was the execution of them that cause their paths to deviate so far.
Either way, the chemistry is there (whether you see it romantically or not), and in my opinion undeniable, and exceptionally under utilized. But thatâs what fanfic and roleplay is for.
I am also personally a sucker for âoil and waterâ type pairings, where the two have such opposing personalities, yet they find a common ground and find their jagged edges actually fit together in a way that helps them both to heal. So I ship it romantically. Itâs a pairing that takes a lot of work, but I feel theyâre both the type of characters that would give it the work it needs with enough time. Because thatâs just how Rodimus is as a person, and heâs the best thing to ever happen to Megatron, and I donât see him wanting to let that go.
Anyway, thatâs how I see it. I hope that answers your question.
#long post#i can't beleive i wrote a two page long essay on why i ship this stupid pairing lmao#Anonymous
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For the fandom/ships meme: B, D, I, J, K, Q, T, U, V, W, X, Y. (I mean, I like everything you say on fandoms, so you knew this would be fairly comprehensive.)
B - A pairingâplatonic, romantic or sexualâthat you initially didnât consider, but someone changed your mind.
Oh man, there are lots for sure!! Iâm a sucker for a well-written crackship, and I know I have fun writing them too :P From the last ask, starscream/optimus and jazz/soundwave were both things Iâd never considered until I read a really amazing fic, and now I adore them both. Or ratchet/skywarp. That fic didnât even GO there, but now I have a wip of my own and have already been experimenting with drift/ratchet/skywarp because why make any sense at all when i could so easily make LESS sense :P
I do it to myself too, I tossed off the idea of cyclonus/starscream as a joke, my âfriendsâ encouraged me, and oh god suddenly Iâm two fics deep in a series with at least four separate fics planned for the future. Oooh, or in a different fandom for a change, @veliseraptor threw me RIGHT down the steve/loki pit, and Iâm never leaving, this is where I live now.Â
D - A pairing you wish you liked but just canât.
HMMM. I think... I donât dislike many ships in the franchises like homestuck or transformers, where thereâs a giant cast to mush up against each other. I guess I wish I had a bit more natural enthusiasm for brainstorm/perceptor. Itâs really cute and I definitely do like it, I just canât muster up much enthusiasm for perceptor in general, which puts some damper on it. I do like it a decent amount, I just wish I liked it more.
I - Has Tumblr caused you to stop liking any fandoms, if so, which and why?
Itâs made me... wary of some fandoms. Or fandom in general, in some ways. Steven Universe, if I get involved with that again, itâs going to be art and no words, because the moral policing atmosphere is just getting to be Too Much. If I wasnât rolling around in a universe populated by nigh-immortal space robots, Iâm sure there would be other stuff too, but Iâve been pretty sheltered.
J - Name a fandom you didnât think about until you saw it all over Tumblr. (You donât have to care about it or follow it; it just has to be something that Tumblr made you aware of.)
Boku no hero academia is the most recent one, I think. I donât know if Iâll ever participate in things, but I finally read the manga and loved it a lot! I caught the edges of the buzz about the Imperial Radch books, and I donât know if I would have ever read them if I hadnât had prior awareness when my friend brought them up, and these are some of my favorite books EVER, so Iâm glad tumblr clued me in XD
K - What character has your favorite development arc/the best development arc?
Oh no, this is HARD :c The trouble with casts of thousands is that nobody can dominate the focus too hard. But when a story is super-focused on a character and how they Develop, I tend to drift away. Umm. Cyclonus and Whirl both hold a special, special, special place in my heart. Megatron probably has one of the more dramatic development arcs, even though Cyclonus and Whirl both own my heart.
Or. I know itâs not the real question. But I love characters where the story WRECKS them, even if it doesnât quite follow through on putting them back together again. Whirl is a long ways from where he used to be, but still definitely has issues. But oh man. Prowl. STARSCREAM. The transformers comics took two proud, cold, capable assholes and broke them DOWN. And it was GLORIOUS. Itâs not really the same as a development arc, because theyâre both still... not in good shape. But I wouldnât care so much if I hadnât seen where they started and what happened to do this to them. Itâs negative development, but itâs so tragic and tasty and gives me such interesting material to think about!!
Q - A fandom youâve abandoned and why.
Ahh... Avatar, probably. Of all the fandoms Iâve participated in on here, thatâs the one Iâm least likely to return to. I think the problem is that after I did Avatar, I rolled around in Homestuck. I moved from there to Transformers. I dabbled in Marvel. The Avatar universe is very interesting, but the cast is much more limited, the universe is more constrained, and thereâs One Canon.
Canon doesnât necessarily mean that much to me, Iâll cheerfully multiship no matter what. But itâs different thinking âwell this is canon, but what if... Other Thingâ versus âlmao does anyone even know how many separate continuities there are at this pointâ. It breaks my brain wide open. I donât start from canon and branch out. I think that âwell, optimus and megatron have classically had characters and shippy dynamics shaped like X, Y, and Z, so I can pick and choose bits and pieces of settings, scenarios, backstory, supporting cast, the possibilities are ENDLESS--â Homestuck plays a lot with the idea of continuity and comics universes are one of the closest parallels I can think of to the mess that is transformers. I just donât know how Iâm supposed to go back to playing in smaller sandboxes at this point XD
T - Do you have any hard and fast headcanons that you will die defending?Â
Autistic Cyclonus. Fite me.
Or, Starscream with his history and current mental health reflected in disordered eating and sleeping, with a persistent food-hoarding habit. I would say fite me, but actually, read my stories where I stick it right in the text and see how nicely it works.
U - Three favorite characters from three different fandoms, and why theyâre your favorites.
Different fandoms? DIFFERENT fandoms?????? D:
1. Transformers: Starscream - heâs just... the complete disaster package. Heâs vain and egotistical, competent and dangerous, but never manages to succeed and make it LAST. In IDW, he beat out massive odds to get where he is, and survived by the skin of his teeth, and has struggled and STRUGGLED and is prone to being his own worst enemy, and has sabotaged himself enough that heâs barely staying afloat despite sincerely wanting to try his best. Iâm weak against all of these things.
2. oh god how am I supposed to pick a favorite homestuck character this is CYBERBULLYING. Okay. Um. Iâm going to say Equius. Thereâs something about the Zahhaks being so stiff and cold and rigid and distant, but also somehow way too close, and swinging between antagonistic and desperate to please. Iâve done better words about Zahhaks in the past, and Iâm starting to get sleepy right now, but I am ALWAYS a sucker for the characters who are a mess of contradictions and prone to sabotaging themselves :P
3. Steven Universe: Jasper - Ahahaha, one last self-sabotaging love of my life. Sheâs different from those others, because sheâs been pretty much at the top of her game until very recently. But her issues!!! Everything to do with being the Perfect quartz (from a failed colony, belonging to a dead diamond). The pride and self-doubt are a delicious combination, especially once she gets a taste of fusion and the sense of belonging that comes with it. If I ever did write steven universe, it would have to be about here. Those contradictions and the way they pull you apart, thatâs the same thing that draws me hardest to starscream, but itâs hard to do justice to the emotions when youâre writing about them, itâs got so much more impact when you show them directly instead.
V - Which character do you relate to most?
Ooooooh. This. Is tough. Ironfist is the melancholy answer, Nautica is the upbeat one. Theyâre both spergy engineer types with interests all over the place, who get so ENTHUSIASTIC and excited, and Iâm not nearly as outgoing as either of them, but god do they ring familiar to me XD Or, Cyclonus is also a very valid candidate. Internet spock is an uncommunicative recluse, but thatâs still a lot more outgoing than irl spock, and Cyclonus is many emotions turned RIGHT inward, even when it would be really, really useful to express them just a LITTLE. And all the plot that goes down between 47-55 with Cyclonus, god, itâs not like Iâve ever done anything like that, but it hits me right in the weak spot.
#spock replies#long post/transformers#starscream#steven universe#jasper#homestuck#equius zahhak#solluxisms
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Punishments, redemptions and force deprivations - or the b*tching that was promised
Arite, so I guess we all here agree that Lukeâs naughty nephew canât end this trilogy with so much as a tap on his wrist. Some reckoning is due for jedi killing, dad piercing, mind probing, force choking and village burning. But I guess we also all agree that it canât be another redemption=death feast, we had it with his grandpa.Â
So, all sorts of different theories as to how Kylo Ben will pay for his crimes have emerged, the most popular of those being maiming (particularly arm losing), exile (more or less self imposed), imprisonment (for term unknown) and force deprivation. Being frustrated with the apparent seductiveness of all of these tropes being flung here and there, I decided to explain why none of this makes much sense for a deeper narrative meaning. Disclaimer, though: I canât say that the writers definitely wonât go there, I can only explain why they donât make as much sense as they would seem at a first glance. Iâll also spend more time on the subject of force  deprivation, because itâs, frankly, probably the most tempting and the most shiver inducing.
First of all, all of the above options could be very strong narrative points â if theyâre temporary. Yes, that would even include death, considering Reyâs heroine journey is likely to incorporate some rebirth imagery. Loss of arm is still an option to honour a family tradition, especially if Kylo Ben loses his crossguard lightsaber and has to use Lukeâs green one - the weapon that made a would - for a while. But when any of those things is done permanently.... well, thatâs where my bitching comes in.
Let us dissect what are narrative purposes of punishment, beginning with enumerating what they shouldnât, though very often seem to, be:
giving audience a sense of justice â this is probably the most valid point among these. We certainly need some karma feast before weâll forgive Kylo Ben. But that being said, the attitude of well, we donât wonât him to die, so let him be permanently deprived in some other way has too much of hand washing vibe, IMO. That especially applies to force deprivation. Weâre civilised people, popculture progressed so much since Vader... No, let him live, but letâs make sure he can no longer cause evil heâs caused by taking away from him a universal power dormantly binding all beings that he had too much of and clearly abused. *Sigh* This may be a heavy cannon, but this, yâall is
Goodness is something to be chosen. When a man cannot choose he ceases to be a man, if you get the drift. And no, this doesnât mean I apply exactly the same morality to real life, this is fiction, here to provide me with a catharsis that may become reflection over real world, not give me straightforward answers about it, I canât believe I had to consider this disclaimer
paying for the crimes â letâs get something straight. If you kill a murderer, you donât bring back the people theyâve killed, you only get another dead person. I think we all agree here that Kylo Benâs redemption will be through life, not death but also not any other punishment. Because him suffering wonât erase the suffering heâs caused
a lesson for the audience through a character, aka. cautionary â yes, I get it, Don Giovanni was a bad person to seduce thousands and commit murder, he refused to repent, Commandorâs ghost was right to drag him to hell, and good guys are even more right to sing Questo e fin di chi fa mal. I suppose I wonât be seducing people and killing their fathers now that Iâve seen a man dragged to theatrical hell. Congratulations, Wolfie, youâve done a great job if you thinkâs thatâs serious just listen to the opera and hear the mockery in the music
So, now that weâre clear on what arenât the narrative purposes of punishment, letâs dig deeper beyond the surface level and see what hides beneath the above simulacrae.
evoking pity for the character â well, art isnât a purely intellectual experience, we need some appeal to the emotions, too. What seems to us like justice getting itâs due is in fact evoking in us â and other characters â pity towards a reforming character. Itâs rediscovering humanity where we denied its existence. Maiming, imprisonment, exile, torture and force deprivation would all have that effect on the audience, however they can easily turn to joy when the reformed villain has their status restored when they prove worthy
a declaration â when a villainous character willingly subjugates themselves to good guysâ justice, it serves to show that they arenât just tossing words at wind. They want to change, in fact they want nothing more in their lives, so they would accept whatever price they have to pay for the world to allow them that change â even if itâs their life, to show that they accept the right of those they formerly fought. Again, all options match, though permanence is almost counterproductive
a lesson for the audience and a character â if nothing else works to for the villain to change their ways, they need a lesson, which will also serve as a food for thought for the audience. This is where the trope of paying with what they value most about themselves comes in, especially if pride was one of their sins. Ramsay Bolton trigger warning.
A warrior loses a hand, a seducer gets neutred, a prophet (seer) goes blind, a liar loses a tongue, Thor loses Mjolnir â an extremely powerful force user loses his force sensitivity. They need to understand what itâs like to be one of those they despised and abused â but, on a more positive note when a character is to become a hero, also learn that their value didnât end at what they considered their only greatest asset.
This is Star Wars, itâs now adoptive sibling of MCU, not HBO, and thatâs why I can see temporary, Thor-like, loss of force sensitivity in store for Kylo Ben â maybe that would be the revival in Reyâs story, should Disney-LF feel that actual BatB scene could be a tad too cheesy. So now Iâll delve into narrative options for force deprivation and explain why they all make more sense when temporary and not permanent:
he cuts himself away from it as a form of self-flagellation â done. And really, Lukeâs whole arc in TLJ was about refusing to act being just as harmful as acting wrongly, so I can only see that scenario if it ends with Rey kicking another Skywalkerâs ass out of useless pit of despair
heâs deprived of it by the bad guys â first of all, letâs discuss the logistics here. Itâs not as if any technology or chemistry could actually bend the universal will to their own desire. The most it can do is mess with an individualâs nervous system enough for them to not be able to use it. I can see that happening to Kylo Ben, courtesy of Hux, once again, excellent occasion for Reyâs revival powers to shine. That being said â this here, is Faustus. Devil can have all the chirographs he likes, the doctor can willingly forfeit his soul â God and Margaret have different plans
heâs deprived of it by the good guys â so I suppose they could even try to be more delicate about than Hugsy. But itâs necessary. Itâs just. Itâs what the force wants, they know it, itâs they that keep telling each other may the force be with you. This here, on the other hand, is Tannhauser. The pope knows when a sinner is beyond redemption and has Godâs word on his side to deny the absolution â and ends up with his staff springing leaves to show him he himself became blinded by pride
he just loses it. Force is done. he doesnât deserve it â BITCH, NOW?!!!!!! YOU DID NOTHING TO PALPATINE, TO SNOKE, TO MAUL, EVEN TO VADER BUT NOW YOU INTERVENE? I KNOW ANAKIN HARDLY GOT HIS CHARACTER FROM SHMI, BUT REALLY????? Thereâs no narratively satisfying moment for that to happen (again, permanently) â if it happens after he turns, what the hell, now that heâs trying to actually make up for the evil, now he gets punished? This is no case of showing good will, whatâs the point? If before â well, exactly, bitch, now? Not when Snoke started to get inside his head, not when he destroyed the jedi temple, not when he killed his father, not the moment he seized power, only some two years into his rule? Honestly, thereâs only one way that would make sense â if heâs actually really effing evil as the renperor and... frankly, I root for his redemption because I believe heâs actually capable of being a good person before itâs his only option.
There are some other reasons why force deprivation would feel right to us. Some may want to see it as passing the torch entirely out of Skywalker bloodline and onto Rey (cue in some mystical feminism) â but, frankly speaking, you canât have a trilogy packed to the brim with yin-yang imagery and then end it with yeah, theyâre equal and mutually dependent parts but some parts are just equaller. In a way, Kylo Benâs role isnât to redeem himself only to redeem all of the darkness of the prime jedi.
Thereâs also the laying down the gun trope â the sheriff saves the city and then drops his star to go farming. Â This feels right to us, even those who wish Reylo all the best. But thatâs the problem with both accepted/self imposed force deprivation, exile and to some extent imprisonment â they all give a sense of peace.
And Kylo Ben deserves many things â corporeal punishment, learning what itâs like to not be force sensitive, sex with Rey, being a subject to mind probe (though I would say he had it the hard way with Snoke for years), losing his arm, fighting side by side with Rey, utter hellfire which will explode in his chest when he sees Chewie, showing off what the piece of junk can actually do, kissing every freckle on Reyâs skin, guiding a new generation of force users, especially those temped by extreme darkness, family with Rey. Punishment. Redemption. Life. Love. Happiness.Â
But not peace. Not yet.
#reylo#kylo ren#ben solo#save ben solo#bendeption#tw: torture#tw: maiming#force is an asshole#but I don't think to such an extent#ramsay bloton should be a trigger warning#culture ramblings#star wars#episode ix speculation
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Rodimus has clearly obvious tropes that are embedded into his personality, I want to elaborate on a few. Namely, his Chronic Hero Syndrome / Hero Complex / Heroic Self-Deprecation (these all, ironically, go hand-in-hand), his Brilliant, but Lazy attitude (which is also tied into another trope that I wish to elaborate on), his very clear Fatal Flaw(s), whatâs Beneath the Mask / his personality as a Jerk With a Heart of Gold, his role as The Atoner (itâs not an extreme level, but itâs there) and how it connects with the trope My Greatest Failure, and last but not least his thought processes: Itâs All My Fault / My God, What Have I Done?
Oh, and of course, you have his Father To His Men attitude. Because heâs not always immature when it comes to that but I will go into this last.
(Thank you, TVTropes.)
Now, to put this under a read more because itâs LONG. Like, super long.
Chronic Hero Syndrome is different to Hero Complex, and Hero Complex is different to Heroic Self-Deprecation. Whatâs kind of sad is that, for Rodimus, they all tie into each other in some way. You might have gathered that this all has something to do with him being a hero. And it is! Just not necessarily in a good way.
The definition of Chronic Hero Syndrome is provided by TVTropes and is as follows:
âChronic Hero Syndrome is an "affliction" of cleaner heroes where for them, every wrong within earshot must be righted, and everyone in need must be helped, preferably by Our Hero themself.â
This part of Rodimus is... Well, itâs not entirely mild. It shows in the comic in various ways and when Megatron came into play, they decided to go around and help those in need along the way (or, maybe, it pushed Rodimus into doing more and trying to help - whether it was out of pride or finally having a reason to try and one-up Megatron is debatable). Though, because of this trope, itâs more than likely the key reason Rodimus was so easily manipulated by Getaway and, by extension, the mutineers - because his heroism can be so obvious, they couldâve expected that heâd jump on the opportunity to go and investigate a distress signal.
And, in a way, this stems into his Hero Complex. Where Chronic Heroic Syndrome is an extreme, Rodimus more or less fits better into the Hero Complex. Simply put, a Hero Complex is the innate desire to fulfill heroic deeds, for recognition of their heroic deeds.
The extreme is destroying things to then make said things better once again, though with the intention of doing so in the first place. Rodimus does this unintentionally, but thatâs not quite the focus. Rodimus wants to make amends for what heâs done (this will be discussed a little later on), but to do so, he has to complete as many heroic deeds for this. However, there is usually always a motive behind their Hero Complex: what would Rodimusâ motive be?
Thanks to this in-depth look into what causes someone to have a Hero Complex, we can gather what motives Rodimus may have and why he has the drive to be everyoneâs hero.
âThey are approval-seeking and require outward validation. A person who was unable to learn how to approve and validate their inner world will sometimes seek approval and validation from others to the point where they are willing to nearly die for it. Those who have this reason for their hero complex have inner worlds of insecurities abounding, and they need that other person or other people to help them feel like theyâre worth something.â
This probably isnât so obvious, but we do know that Rodimus hates himself (as confirmed by James Roberts) and seeks validation from others. He does reckless things because he knows that, if done right, people will praise him for it. So sure, the whole process of doing it, nobody really thinks that heâs doing this right... But the approval he gets from actually pulling off a dangerous stunt and the validation for being othersâ heroes is enough for him.
The best example is at the very start of More Than Meets The Eye. He shoves the sparkeater into the quantum engines as they jumped and promptly saved his crew in doing so. He got the approval and praise from Drift, which was enough for him (clearly, since it didnât bother him much when Ultra Magnus attempted to scold him for pulling off such a reckless move). Another time that applies this is also pretty early in the comics, where he sacrifices the Matrix - and nearly himself as well - to save all Cold Constructed Cybertronians. While he never got outright approval for such a risky action, and got a rather... Unpleasant reaction from Optimus (granted, he only mentioned that he broke his half of the Matrix), it still plays heavily into this.
Which brings me to the last point: Heroic Self-Deprecation. Just to clarify what this means:
âNo matter how much they do for the world or what their loyal friends tell them, they're still incapable of believing that they're anything more than useless. Every little mistake leads to a massive display about how it's all their fault and how they're just not good enough.â
Now, one might think, âoh, Rodimus couldnât have this, heâs too confident!â, but I beg to differ. If his backstory is anything to go by, he puts the entire world on his shoulders and holds up every little regret like itâs the end of the world if he doesnât. What he does do well, he doesnât seem to give himself enough credit for. Perhaps the key turning point for this was after issue 15, specifically, since he seemed to suffer from this more prominently since then...
In Dark Cybertron, the feeling that heâs not good enough is way too clear: this is highlighted in a few different parts, one namely being his conversation with Magnus before he left. When Magnus tells him heâs not a leader, Rodimus responds, âdon't tell me that you can't do my job, because you can do my job - probably better than I canâ. Now, while this may be true, heâs putting little to no faith in himself; not only that, but he blatantly ignores the obvious compliment that Magnus had given him. That was, I quote, âI haven't got-- whatever it is that you have. That extra something. I haven't got thatâ. There was something Rodimus had that Magnus didnât that made him a more capable leader in Magnusâ perspective.
I think the worst part of it is during the rescue mission of Kup. No, really. It hurts me because I love both Rodimus and Optimus / Orion, but the exchange they have when Rodimus tells him about what he did and then how he handled it...
âI messed up. No, but I mean hugely. I smuggled a Decepticon prisoner on board the Lost Light and he escaped, and people died, and then I let my best friend take the blame... And after he left - I havenât heard from him in ages - the guilt got the better of me and IÂ âfessed up. First to Ultra Magnus, then the rest of the crew. I apologized. And after I said sorry, I invoked the Crisis Act.â
âYou asked them to vote?â
âAll of them, yeah - well, the 190 who were functional at the time. A referendum, really:Â âshould I stay as captain? Yes or no.ââ
âAnd here you are. Still captain.â
âYes, but... Eighty-nine people wanted me gone. Thatâs why I carved the- yâknow, in my hand. See? âS like a permanent note to self: âyou gotta win âem back, Rodders.ââ
...
âYou couldâve resigned.â
âI, er... I what?â
âYou should have resigned. You only invoked the Crisis Act because you thought youâd win. If youâd been truly ashamed of your actions, youâd have stepped down.â
âUm... I kinda thought it took more courage to stick it out?â
âNonsense.â
âUm. Yeah.â ... âI was, um, sort of expecting the standard Optimus pep talk...? Nobodyâs perfect, learn from your mistakes, that kind of thing?â
âIâm not here to absolve you of your guilt.â
(Conversation between Rodimus and Optimus. Dark Cybertron, Volume 2.)
While this is reconciled later on in the story (with Rodimus giving Optimus the pep talk; Iâm so proud of him), itâs in this moment where thereâs no praise. Thereâs no helping him. Nothing. Itâs just Rodimus confessing everything, right from what he did to how he wants to get them back, and heâs actively seeking some comfort from his role model; he said so himself that Optimus is his role model. Sure, not exactly direct, but...
âYou know who I always wanted to be, Orion? Iâm talking all my life.â
âYes - Rodimus Prime. And Iâm sorry, but that makes you a fool. To actively want to be a Prime after the damage wrought by my predecessors...â
âYouâre wrong. I never wanted to be âRodimus Prime.â Not deep down. Deep down, I always wanted to be you. The real you - not Orion Pax.â
(Part of a conversation between Rodimus and Optimus. Dark Cybertron, Volume 2.)
(And then, when the conversation ended and Rodimus was shot in the chassis by Nova, Optimus went into full dad mode. Because nobody shoots his son after he gives the pep talk and gets away with it. Looking at you, Nova Prime. I hope you feel many regrets.)
I feel like all of this, all of this right here, connects with his Heroic Self-Deprecation. He knows what he did, he knows that somehow, he has to win them all back, but at the same time... He wants to be like Optimus. He wants to have those same qualities that Optimus has and he knows that itâs impossible for him to have it, because heâs even scared to live by the decency, and the integrity, and the morality. But thatâs not the point.
The point is, Rodimus thinks little of himself. He thinks so very little of himself, in fact, that he thinks that Magnus would be a better leader than him, even though he has that extra something. He got a pretty obvious thing, that he mostly like had thought of, smacked in his face by Optimus saying that he shouldâve just given up because of that mistake. He thinks that, essentially, heâd be better off being someone else rather than himself. Rather than Rodimus, or even Hot Rod.
Now, letâs go onto the next one, shall we?
Rodimus has a serious case of being a brilliant mind, but being rather lazy. This does tend to make him seem stupid, but letâs just face it; he might never understand science, but he knows enough to come up with some pretty smart ideas. He might rush in at a momentâs notice, but heâs smarter than he looks overall. The definition of âBrilliant, But Lazyâ is as follows:
â...you have the Brilliant, But Lazy character, who is more than capable of taking care of any situation that the heroes have to deal with, but doesn't care.â
Itâs less that he doesnât care, but more that he doesnât like to deal with responsibility. When he does deal with it, he can be brash and quick to make assumptions, or he can be level headed for once and actually help out a bit better than most. However, itâs this dislike of responsibility that stems from a few various sources (after all, he already has a lot of burdens) that makes him seem lazy in nature. Heâs capable, more than capable at the best of times. But even when he accepts the responsibility, it always seems like someone else is willing to stand in for him...
â... Need a scapegoat? Get an ex-Decepticon.â
âWell itâs not gonna happen. Iâm taking the fall for this one. Your name doesnât have to come into it. Itâs taken you years to win back peopleâs trust, and youâre not throwing it all away on my behalf.â
...
âI wonât let you do this for me.â
âIâm not doing it for you. Iâm doing it for everyone else.â
(Bits of the conversation between Rodimus and Drift about the inquiry related to the Overlord incident, in the prose story âThe Sound of Breaking Glassâ, MTMTE #21.)
Or, they push aside the fact that heâs taken responsibility for something because itâs just expected of him. That, or they think heâs doing it because thereâs something about the situation that really calls for it, even though he has shown great promise as a responsible leader and warrior, behind the various levels of (faked) immaturity. He tends to shove it all onto Ultra Magnus, or Drift, or even Megatron when he arrives on the Lost Light - but for what?
This can be left up to interpretation, but for me, itâs linked to his Heroic Self-Deprecation. How, you might wonder? Well, he not only thinks little of himself, heâs sure others think little of him as well. Perhaps he just plays into everyoneâs thoughts of him...
Which brings me to the trope I connect with this one; him faking his stupidity. Heâs not an idiot. Actually, heâs far from it. Heâs made smart decisions in the past that have saved his life, and even his reckless decisions have some sense in them. He has remarkable timing, heâs got sound strategies when he needs them, and he does know what heâs doing.
âAnother variant is of someone who is a genuine genius but who pretends to be The Fool in order to avoid responsibility, either because they are lazy or because of some trauma which has undermined their confidence.â
Based on the quote above, I think itâs safe to say itâs a mixture of both.
He might not be a full-blown genius like Perceptor or Brainstorm, but he can play connect-the-dot in the right situations and he can make the right decisions when he needs it. For example, he was the sole reason that Nightbeat was able to break Nova Primeâs hold on him by asking him a simple question that forced Nightbeat to think. This was related to the numbers on his hand, a personal reminder that he needed to win back the 89 people of 190 active crew members that wanted him gone as captain. He knew Nightbeat couldnât resist the right mystery.
But, just like that, Iâm linking it back to his brilliant but lazy attitude; he shoves his responsibility on Drift, Magnus and Megatron, intentionally or not. And heâs stated once before, in the More Than Meets The Eye annual;Â â... Beneath my cocksure exterior I have incredibly low self-esteemâ. Now, whether he was joking, and whether or not Ratchet realized this...
(Most likely not, since he seemed quick to dismiss this and claim that further beneath that, he does think heâs better than everyone else...)
... Itâs possible - no, certain - that Rodimus hides it with layer upon layer of faked confidence and egotism. And that faked confidence and egotism links back to the mistakes heâs made and the Heroic Self-Deprecation, and THAT links to his brilliant but lazy attitude and his faking of stupidity. Because it seems like, whenever he is smart, people are surprised by it.
And if he canât impress them, and it dents his self-esteem, then why bother being smart?
...
Letâs move onto the next one!
Rodimus is painfully aware that he has many flaws, and even more so aware of the fact that he has some very clear fatal flaws.
âHeroes have a Fatal Flaw which they wrestle with on a consistent basis. This may open them up for specific conflicts later...â
One could say his fatal flaw is his ego - but based on the evidence above (and that Iâve stated this literally a few paragraphs up), this ego seems to be a very extravagant cover-up for his lower self-esteem. Plus, he doesnât quite fit the criteria to have his fatal flaw be egotism. This, ironically, seems to fit Getaway. No, Rodimusâ fatal flaw wouldnât be egotism.
Itâs one of two things: his impulsiveness, or his recklessness. Both are connected, however...
Letâs have a look at what TVTropes has to say.
âA Tragedy of Impulsiveness is when a tragedy is caused by someone's impetuousness or irrational impatience. This trope's power comes from the fact that if characters had thought before they acted the tragedy could have been avoided.â
This seems rather accurate. Perhaps it was also what Rodimus was referring to when he was talking to Drift at the end of Lost Light #7, when he said that he needed people like Drift and Ultra Magnus to keep him in check. And perhaps heâs right; his impulsive nature has gotten the crew into many unpleasant situations that derive from exactly that, and a lot of said situations tend to contain a tragedy in them. So, this as a fatal flaw makes perfect sense. Rodimusâ impulsiveness knows no bounds and he needs someone to regulate this.
But what about his recklessness as his fatal flaw?
(How lovely for TVTropes to title recklessness as âLeeroy Jenkinsâ. Funny video.)
âThe Leeroy Jenkins (or just Leeroy for short) is a specific type of [person] who has no patience for complicated plans, preferring to charge full-tilt into the fray and start attacking whatever's in front of him.â
... Well, itâs not wrong.
Rodimus is notorious for running in without a plan. That, or his plans are to the extreme, and therefore are more suited to the trope called âCrazy Enough To Workâ, since half of them actually do seem to work in his favor. (See: âSpotlight: Hot Rodâ.) In general, however, Rodimus will think recklessly and make a frontal assault without really putting in the thought as to how it could all go wrong. Granted, the times he did so in prominent parts of the comic were in the Overlord arc, the Tyrest arc, during Dark Cybertron when it called for it, and of course, that one time Rodimus thought it was a brilliant idea to tackle one of the Functionists...
What may be obvious is that his impulsiveness and his recklessness tend to go hand-in-hand with each other. Actually, one tends to lead into the next, and itâs his biggest flaw. Whatâs further ironic is that his impulsiveness and recklessness, accompanied with his Chronic Hero Syndrome as mentioned much further above, are all reasons behind him falling into the trap...
Now, letâs look at his attitude, shall we?
âVirtually everyone has to wear a public mask in order to be accepted by others. That's a simple fact of human psychology. When circumstances (such as anonymity, strong emotion, or sufficient power) allow a character to take off that mask and act in complete accord with their inclinations, they reveal what's beneath the mask.â
Look, I wonât dismiss the fact that Rodimus does have confidence. I wonât dismiss the fact that heâs charismatic, and with a slight hint of an ego, and overall a fun guy that attracts others to him by being him. (After all, he and Megatron combined killed off the personality ticks due to there being too much charisma in one room...) However, you would have noticed that throughout the comics, it seems to have been enhanced to the point that itâs actually obnoxious and almost infuriating. You may have also noticed this started almost immediately when Megatron became co-captain of the Lost Light and after Dark Cybertron.
This was something told by James Roberts as well: Rodimus enhances his better parts of his personality to cover his self-hate. Thereâs nothing quite as simple as that. Rodimus is a strong character, in both physicality and mentality, but thereâs only so much one can handle, especially after four million years of war.
This is somewhat of a coping mechanism for Rodimus. If he canât voice his grief and even gets criticized for something that isnât true (yes, Rung, looking at you; he really did feel like he failed the crew), then itâs better to hide it and say that heâs completely okay. Some may be able to look right through him, others will take it the wrong way and think that heâs just being childish. In retrospect, turn to the very start of the comic series. He was more like himself; charismatic, somewhat confident, a slight ego. He didnât act the way he does now back then.
In turn, this leads me to my next point.
âA person you would expect to be a big Jerkass has some redeeming qualities behind their tough demeanor. Occasionally, they'll try to make it a Hidden Heart of Gold.â
Itâs no secret that Rodimus has acted like a jerk, even in the newest issues; and, unfortunately for our poor learning speedster captain, itâs had an everlasting effect on a few people. One of those people namely being Brainstorm, having adjusted so poorly to Rodimusâ usual reactions to his work that he even has to explain himself to Cyclonus...
âYou see? You see? Thatâs what success looks like! Swerve and Ten, plucked from a pocket prison and delivered, safe and sound, to your welcoming arms. And to think - to think! - you said it couldnât be done.â
âOn the contrary, I said I was confident youâd find a way to bring them back. In fact, Iâve been nothing but supportive since I brought you the wand.â
âOh. Yeah, sorry. Thanks to Rodimus Iâm conditioned to expect incomprehension, mockery and boredom - usually in the span of thirty seconds.â
(Conversation between Brainstorm and Cyclonus, Lost Light #5.)
So yes, Rodimus has screwed up a lot by acting like a jerk. However, I firmly believe that it isnât intentional, and that his mouth runs faster than his thoughts do. It doesnât excuse the behavior, and I could provide plenty of examples where he was a downright jerk. For example, when he said that he had ârehabilitatedâ Drift (yes, how smart of you to say, Rodimus), or when he attempted a joke about Tailgateâs face being punchable during the Brainstorm arc...
But, he really does have a heart of gold. Or, a spark of gold, in this context. In which a heart of gold is an expression that means âto be very kind and generousâ. Synonyms vary from considerate, to well-meant, to supportive and good-natured.
Rodimus cares deeply about his crew members, and I will elaborate on such later on, but he is willing to do what it takes to make up for his actions. He doesnât quite have the hidden heart of gold like Whirl, for example, because it can be so damn obvious that Rodimus has this wonderful heart of gold for his crew members. Letâs take, for example, not only the prose story âThe Sound of Breaking Glassâ, but also MTMTE #36. Oh yes, that issue. That one issue. Where Rodimus tried, with all his power, to make sure that Trailbreaker would live in the future.
But first! In the prose story, Rodimus is shown being kind and good-natured towards Red Alert, who had just been woken up after his suicide incident - which Rodimus put upon himself. This is in front of Getaway and Fortress Maximus, too, but heâs kind of... Subtle.
âRed Alert?â
âCaptain, I want to apologize for--â
âStop right there. No apologies. Not on my ship.â
âBut I canât imagine the inconvenience I caused by my decision to, um, remove myself from the field of play.â
âNonsense. You were under tremendous pressure. Okay, so you didnât feel able to confide in me, but that says more about my failings as a leader than anything else.â
...
âMy point, Rodimus, is that Iâd like to stay here ... What are they called, Legislators? We could reprogram the Legislators to act as the moonâs protectors.â
âI think with you and Fort Max, Luna 1 is going to be in safe hands. Just promise to stay in touch!â
(Conversation between Red Alert and Rodimus, âThe Sound of Breaking Glassâ, Issue #21.)
Based on the meaning behind having a heart of gold, it does shine through here. Whether or not the others present register it (a part of me feels like Getaway was too silent in this moment, which is both understandable since he wasnât involved in the conversation, but concerning...), Rodimus clearly cares. And clearly, he knows that being on Luna 1 is better for Red Alert.
Now, Issue #36. How many of you remember the despair Rodimus had when he saw that Chromedome had shaken hands with Trailbreaker and ultimately erased his memory of the previous conversation he had with him? The conversation that wouldâve ultimately allowed for Trailbreaker to live in the future? A lot of you might find that moment memorable (at least, I do. Roddy was incredibly hurt because it was his only chance to avoid the needless death), and/or very painful to reflect on, but that conversation he had before showed his kindness.
âWill you do that for me? Itâs very important.â
âSure. Whatever.â
âTrailbreaker.â
âOfsted XVII. Stay inside the ship. Got it.â
... âYouâre a good person.â
(MTMTE #36, conversation between Rodimus and Trailbreaker in the past.)
What really gets me is that Rodimus even went out of his way to tell Chromedome to not shake hands with Trailbreaker, no matter what, even though he never said why. Mostly because one isnât supposed to be tinkering with time (because Rodimus, youâre not supposed to change the future, even if you really want to), but it shows he cares. It even proves his kindness and his consideration, even. He most likely puts himself at fault for Trailbreaker as well, even though he had nothing to do with it; after all, Trailbreaker was a member of his ship.
This will be used as an example for his âFather To His Menâ attitude, but letâs continue.
The Atoner. Now, this trope quite literally makes up Driftâs entire character, but this applies to Rodimus in a very specific context. He wants to atone for whatever heâs done in the past. This isnât just relating to Overlord, either; this can be seen in a variety of different lights. Though, the real problem is that Rodimus doesnât necessarily fit into The Atoner by definition of the trope.
âThe Atoner is an evil character who has realized the error of his ways, possibly wants to make amends, and has decided that they will do so via heroic deeds. Simple imprisonment won't do, because it does nothing to make recompense for what he's done wrong.â
The trope clearly specifies this is for a character that was once bad turned good, and seeking out redemption for the past sins that have been committed. Which is why, while Rodimus does want to atone for his mistakes, he just doesnât quite fall into this category. This is very much suited to Drift rather than Rodimus, though the elements behind it make it favorable...
Heâs more suited to the category of âMy Greatest Failureâ. By definition, given via TVTropes:
âNothing defines a hero better than his morals, and the biggest sympathy point can be guilt over some monumental screw-up that taught the hero to buckle down and stop taking his job too lightly.â
So, the last part didnât quite follow through like he intended to, but in MTMTE #21, Rodimus tells Ultra Magnus the truth behind Overlord and how he wished to make amends for it.
âMagnus-- (Iâm gonna call you Magnus.) Magnus, if this is it - it Iâm going to die - I need to come clean. Everything youâve just said - Iâve done worse. Iâve done much worse. I brought Overlord on board. I was part of it, with Drift and Brainstorm and the Duobots. I let it happen. Prowl said I owed it to the Autobots. Before we left Cybertron, he... We met in his office, and he told me he wanted an Autobot Phase Sixer - somebody as powerful as Overlord, but on our side. And then he said-- These might not have been his exact words, but he said if I was scared of having Overlord on board I could say no, which... Well. Here we are.â
...
âI donât want to die.â
âOf course not. Of course you donât.â
âNo, I mean-- Self-sacrifice, Magnus - itâs cheap. Itâs a cheap way out. I need to live so I can make amends and--â
(Conversation between Rodimus and Minimus Ambus/Ultra Magnus. MTMTE #21.)
The idea behind âMy Greatest Failureâ is that they feel incredibly guilty over a gigantic screw-up and they start taking their job seriously again. While Rodimus does feel insanely guilty over the fact that it was his fault Overlord was on board, it doesnât mean he stops taking his job lightly. Thatâs thanks to his personality, however. However, his need - not want, need - to live to make amends? Itâs what fits him into the Atoner trope. He knows what he did was wrong and he desperately wants to fix it. He does make some amends with Drift, with their reunion...
âI donât trust myself with words - theyâre too easy to manipulate. But you taught me that there are a dozen better ways to speak to someone. If you read my aura, or listen to the timbre of my voice, or look at the colors in my eyes... If you do any of those things youâll understand how bad I feel - and how badly I want things to be like they were.â
(Part of the reunion conversation, said by Rodimus. MTMTE #52.)
I adore this little bit of conversation. And while I am a little upset that there was only one page dedicated to their reunion and their need to talk out the radio silence and so on (seriously, it had been three years since Drift left - you can imagine how bad Rodimus felt without his best friend around, and at his fault too), this really touched me. Not only does Rodimus try and make amends for his banishing of Drift, but he does so through telling Drift to analyse how he says things and what his body language tells him.
And so, Rodimus is kind of a mixture of the two tropes, though contrasting one another. But letâs not dwell on these contradicting tropes for too long and move onto the second last points I have.
âMy God, What Have I Done?â and âItâs All My Faultâ go hand-in-hand. They usually follow from one into the other, and this is so very prominent in not only the Overlord arc, but he has a literal moment in the Functionist Universe arc in Lost Light. The meaning behind the two are:
âMy God, What Have I Done?â - âWell-intentioned but misguided character ... comes to realize that his actions have caused incredible damage, physical pain, emotional pain, or even loss of life.â
âItâs All My Faultâ -Â âYou see characters blaming themselves for major messes fairly often, especially when they're not the only ones who are suffering as a result. It's a universal phrase used in every genre and medium.â
Rodimus has this moment a few too many times, and it ties into his Heroic Self-Deprecation, for the most part. The two most obvious moments are, of course, after the Overlord incident and he talks to Drift about the inquiry (as so in âThe Sound of Breaking Glassâ), and during the Functionist Universe arc, soon after he decided to punch alternate Rung.
Letâs see, did he say either of the two phrases in the first example?
âI had to do something! People were asking questions! And what do you do if you want to stall things? You launch an inquiry.â ... âAn inquiry into something Iâm responsible for. Oh god. Oh god, I feel sick. Iâve messed up big time.â
âI can sort this out, Rodimus. Honestly, I can fix this.â
âThis is my fault, not yours. We were standing in Prowlâs office, and he was trying to convince me that bringing Overlord on board was âright and properâ, and you called me an idiot for even considering it.â
(Conversation between Rodimus and Drift, âThe Sound of Breaking Glassâ. MTMTE #21.)
... Well. Looks like he says both of the phrases, even though worded a little differently. This is important: Rodimus knows heâs responsible, and he knows that technically Drift is responsible for it too, but heâs more than willing to take on all of the blame and avoid getting anyone else involved. Or, more like, he feels like itâs all his fault and he knows heâs messed up horribly...
Alright, how about the dialogue about alternate Rung? Now, this is more or less just focusing on the whole âwhat have I doneâ aspect instead.
âIâm serious, Rodimus. I need the Cog to destroy Luna 2, and I wonât let you stop me. I canât.â
âIf thatâs how it is...â ... âFine!â
âWhat the hell are you doing?!â
âI...â â... I...â â... What the hell am I doing?â
(Rewind snaps some sense into Rodimus. Lost Light #6.)
Now, this is a less minor occasion, but the trope still applies. Rodimus has caused physical pain to alt. Rung, just because he was so desperate to get to Luna 2 so he could get home. And, because of that, he made an impulsive and reckless decision to punch alt. Rung in the face.
This also heavily ties in with his Atoner-like personality where he feels obligated to make amends for what he had done. It was why he was so quick to tell everyone to get off the Cog while he remained behind, to make sure that the Cog found its target... And while yes, itâs implied that perhaps he was thinking of self-sacrifice, heâs crashed ships into things before and survived it. (See: that one time Hot Rod stole Magnusâ ship to re-retrieve the Matrix.)
So, in case you havenât quite understood what Iâve said so far: each of these tropes feed into one another.
Fatal Flaw(s) (Impulsiveness + Recklessness) > Itâs All My Fault / My God, What Have I Done > The Atoner / My Greatest Failure > Chronic Hero Syndrome / Hero Complex / Heroic Self-Deprecation > Brilliant, But Lazy / Obfuscating Stupidity > Beneath the Mask / Jerk With A Heart Of Gold.
Can you see how they all interconnect with one another?
And now, drumroll, for the very last trope that I want to talk about (finally!)............ And now we shall talk about his attitude as a Father To His Men!
Now, hear me out. Rodimus is technically not cut out for this trope. He has trouble remembering his crew, and he has his moments where he seems to have blatant disregard for them. Heâs just that bit too much of a jerk, though unintentionally, to make this work. Optimus fills this role so much better than Rodimus does. However, he has his moments shine through.
Now, I wish to give you a few snippets from the page that stands out.
âThis commander cares deeply about his men and exhibits it constantly. A mentor to the officers under him, he takes a deep personal interest in their welfare and tries to keep them out of harm's way.â
âThis character generally cultivates a father-figure atmosphere. He is a source of morale, discipline and stability.â
âHe will accept responsibility for any mistakes, even if it was not entirely his fault, especially if the failure would result in severe punishment for a subordinate.â
... Which are all, unfortunately, not true in Rodimusâ case.
While he does care about his crew, and very much so, he does a horrible job of keeping them out of harmâs way. A constant example is convincing Chromedome to inject when he needs it, so he can ultimately help the others, while not being any help at all to Chromedome. Another example is Overlord, since it was a last minute decision that put many in harmâs way.
Heâs far from the second snippet. In fact, it sounds more like Optimus. Optimus gives off a father-figure atmosphere. Rodimus even stated himself, Optimus defined what the title of Prime really meant during Dark Cybertron. Optimus is this snippet, but this is what Rodimus wants to be. He wants to be the source of morale, discipline and stability, but he canât be - because heâs none of those things. Heâs far from it, actually. And he knows it.
The last point is a little iffy for Rodimus. He was prepared to do it once, for Drift, but I cannot recall another time he was willing to take the full blame for something that wasnât solely his fault. The only reason he didnât go through with it was because Drift insisted he left instead...
So, why am I talking about this trope when it doesnât seem like it fits Rodimus?
Because, out of all the tropes possible, this is the one trope Rodimus aspires to have. He wants to keep his crew safe. He wants to be the perfect role model and he wants to be the one to take on any responsibility regardless, because he just wonât let them take it instead. The only thing thatâs holding him back is his own fatal flaws. His impulsiveness and recklessness hold him back from being this kind of figure to his crew. He has the heart of gold to make it work, but Rodimus doesnât have the right level of... Well, maturity, perhaps. But he also makes poor decisions, and they usually come at the cost of the crew. And he gets in the way of himself.
And so, overall, Rodimus has a very fleshed out character. These tropes may be common, but they make up most of his character, and theyâre all so important in their own way. And, in a way, they all affect how I portray Rodimus. Heâs not always immature, he might say something insensitive here and there but he never really means it...
He really is trying to do the best for himself and his crew. Itâs just too much for him right now.
#đ„  ➠ â  reflections of the past.  â (  headcanon  )#long post //#// MAN#// i honestly could go on and on and on about roddy but holy shit this was so long#// 6.3K WORDS EVERYONE THIS IS HOW DEDICATED I AM TO R/ODIMUS#// someone: r/odimus is one dimensional#// me: PULLS OUT RECEIPTS
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