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p5x-theories · 4 months ago
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After playing basically all the content of p5x, I have the following ideas. Although I have posted them on the Chinese Internet, I would like to share them with you.
​My English vocabulary is not large, so some parts may use the machine, please forgive me.
(The following persona1 is referred to as p1, persona2 is referred to as p2, persona3 is referred to as p3, persona4 is referred to as p4, persona5 is referred to as p5, and persona5x is referred to as p5x.)
​P5X has one less teammate in the first palace than P5R, and Closer occupies the ecological niche of Skull and Panther at the same time. When I first saw this role, I thought it was the female version of Skull. When I finished playing the first palace, I felt Closer had a little bit of the shadow of p4 's Satonaka and p2's Lisa. I realized that this character has its own characteristics, she is who she is.
​Version 1.3.2 of the p5x updated Nishimori Yokana's side story and added two more episodes of Merope's shaping story.
​Let's talk about Nishimori Yokana first, his "Shibuya Expedition" gave me a feeling of the shrine friends in p2, the shrine friends are out of their parents' business and meet friends, and the conflict between ITO Shita, the founder of the expedition and Nishimori Yokana itself, is out of not wanting to lose friends, and want to catch up with him or her through their own efforts. The addition of wonder makes me feel more Amano Maie about the main character, which is in line with the Wonder that p5x wants to portray, which has to mention Merope.
​Merope is often seen as a taker (such as asking wonder to pose as jojo4's STAND: Killer-queen double), and wonder himself does not reject such behavior, and even supports her star chasing at certain times, which makes her more like a little sister than her mature and intellectual clothing, Wonder, on the other hand, is a character like her brother. The Velvet Room and the Velvet Secretary are "Anima" in the minds of the Persona's protagonists, meaning that wonder's ideal woman is like Merope, even though the velvet room may be fake (joker's secretary is still a girl when taken apart). In my opinion, the essence of Merope's pursuit of wonder to become an idol, and even her own favorite idol, should be to gain support. When the p5 protagonists faced the false gods, they won the support of the public and defeated the false gods. At this time, wasn't the thief group of the original p5 Phantom Group the biggest idol at that time.
​Wonder himself is also very kid-friendly, as you can see in MARIAN and RIDDLE's story, so I think wonder is more like Maia Amano or Katsuya than Tatsuya. I think the p5x side story is better than the co-creator story, and the reason why the gacha reason for the strange idol is that the p5x original Strange Idol only has the daily story and no battle story. This is very fatal to the main theme of the persona series of SMT, which emphasizes the connection, because the Persona series is simply three gameplay: mask, combat and daily, of course, there is not much drama in the new Persona group(p3,p4,p5) in the mask, but because the main actors of p1 and p2 can all enter the velvet room, so there is more drama in the mask.
​There are many places where p5x pays tribute to p2, such as Closer's weapons(Sin and Punishment)(P2's full name is Innocent Sin & Eternal Punishment), and the two numbers 5 and 2 seem to be opposite in appearance, while p2 sin and p5x two main character group images can even correspond, lisa and Closer, Eikichi Mishina and Soy, Wonder and Tatsuya , Wind and Yukino Mayuzumi. And there are similarities in the other characters, too: 黑须淳 and the guy who looks like Pinocchio(wuhexi).
​Some of p5x's characters have some storylines in common. All five of them have regained something :Mont has regained her confidence on the court, Chord has regained her confidence in performing in front of people, Phoebe is dancing in a different way, Marian is working on her dream of becoming a nurse. Yuki rediscovers what she wants.
​By the way, I found that the European and American versions of p5 actually have different roles from the East Asian versions of p5, for example, Futaba Sakura's code name is NAVI in the East Asian version, but Oracle in the European and American versions.
​Here are some of my thoughts:
​In fact, for p5 spin-offs, I would prefer to see some if timeline works, such as fan works on Pixiv :Persona 5 Reboot:
​The worldview is a neutral god testing man as the embodiment of the collective unconscious, giving the personas of Adam and Eve to Joker and Violet respectively. Meanwhile, Igor is real, Lavanda is not separated, Violet and Violet's sister join the main group, Mona does not lose her memory, Crow is met by joker ahead of time, the original character Sakami joins the main group, and Shiho Mizuai (鈴井スズイ) joins the main group. These people formed a new party, Road as Adam, against the seven angels who ruled the seven heavenly bodies and the Zodiac who corresponded to the false gods.
​p5x's original p5 limited the time of the character pool to match the game date of the character's entry into the team. For example, Skull,Panther and Mona appeared in April, Fox appeared in May, Queen appeared in June, so Navi should appear in August, Noir in September.
​October is the Gakuen Festival for the original, which is when many of the original characters are likely to be introduced, Crow is likely to debut in October, Harube and El(P5T) in December, Violet should debut in January, joker should return to Tokyo for a trip in July, Sophie and Wolf should debut at this time.
​There are also many original thieves to come out in the future, such as Aran in the plot. And Lume, Doctor and Cherish, of course. I don't know if Lisette is going to play.
​In fact, the persona series had mobile games before, such as p3s, but the quality was not good, so I hope that the new generation of p5x can do a good job as a work to promote the perosna series and even the whole SMT system. Meanwhile, I also hope that P5X can make up for some regrets according to some of its Settings (phantom idols), such as Sophie and Violet appearing together. Tougou Ichinisan joins the main group, the appearance of Harube's strange costume (of course, he may be awakened because he faces the shadow like p4, so there is no strange costume) Aragaki's resurrection or awakening, the encounter between p3 and p3p's protagonists, the current situation of the old world of Tatsuya , Yoshida, Harube, and 冰堂鞠子: The dialogue of the three p5 politicians , the Kingo family in persona External animation, the remeeting of Kiba Kazumi and Suzuki (the protagonist of p2 external manga), and so on.
​In fact, the core or setting of each of p and jojo's two posthardia works is quite similar, p1 and jojo1's beginning, p2 and jojo2's development, against the seemingly impossible opponent Kaz and Naia, p3 and jojo3 highlight the great sacrifice, p4 and jojo4 are seemingly calm towns, but in fact, the undercurrent is very strong. The passive transparency of Adachi Turu and the active transparency of Yoshida Yoshitake, the direct self-facing of the protagonists, the rebellion and resistance of p5 and jojo5.
​On the Chinese Internet, Chinese players have two ideas about the phantom idol: The first view is that the phantom idol is wonder's previous "reincarnation" teammates, just like Soy or Closer. The second view is that the phantom idol is the result of a "myth" system similar to p2. (These people are rumored to be thieves, and then make them wonder's partners who can fight in other worlds)
​Finally thank you can see here, thank you for bringing us blog content, hope you p5x, metaphor fantasy and SMT 5 revenge have fun!
Woah, this is a long message! Thank you for sharing your theories here. I hope it's okay if I divide it into parts to respond to everything? Also, to keep this post from getting longer, I'll respond under a read more:
P5X has one less teammate in the first palace than P5R, and Closer occupies the ecological niche of Skull and Panther at the same time. When I first saw this role, I thought it was the female version of Skull. When I finished playing the first palace, I felt Closer had a little bit of the shadow of p4 's Satonaka and p2's Lisa. I realized that this character has its own characteristics, she is who she is.
I agree! Closer definitely has similarities to Skull, Panther, Chie Satonaka, and Lisa Silverman. But I like that she's clearly her own character, as well. She doesn't feel like a copy of any of them.
Version 1.3.2 of the p5x updated Nishimori Yokana's side story and added two more episodes of Merope's shaping story. ​ ​Let's talk about Nishimori Yokana first, his "Shibuya Expedition" gave me a feeling of the shrine friends in p2, the shrine friends are out of their parents' business and meet friends, and the conflict between ITO Shita, the founder of the expedition and Nishimori Yokana itself, is out of not wanting to lose friends, and want to catch up with him or her through their own efforts. The addition of wonder makes me feel more Amano Maie about the main character, which is in line with the Wonder that p5x wants to portray, which has to mention Merope.
That's a good point! Wonder's role in Haruna Nishimori's side story does feel similar to Maya Amano in P2. I hadn't really thought about that before, but I agree!
Merope is often seen as a taker (such as asking wonder to pose as jojo4's STAND: Killer-queen double), and wonder himself does not reject such behavior, and even supports her star chasing at certain times, which makes her more like a little sister than her mature and intellectual clothing, Wonder, on the other hand, is a character like her brother. The Velvet Room and the Velvet Secretary are "Anima" in the minds of the Persona's protagonists, meaning that wonder's ideal woman is like Merope, even though the velvet room may be fake (joker's secretary is still a girl when taken apart). In my opinion, the essence of Merope's pursuit of wonder to become an idol, and even her own favorite idol, should be to gain support. When the p5 protagonists faced the false gods, they won the support of the public and defeated the false gods. At this time, wasn't the thief group of the original p5 Phantom Group the biggest idol at that time.
Haha, you're right! Merope does feel like an enthusiastic younger sister sometimes. I disagree that being Wonder's Anima means Merope is necessarily his ideal woman, though. My understanding of Anima as a concept is that it's "the unconscious feminine side of a man", though someone may be attracted to a person because she reminds him of his Anima. By that definition, I think Merope may possess traits that Wonder could be attracted to, but her characteristics also say something about Wonder himself.
I do like the idea that Merope is helping Wonder gain public support with her idol plan, though! That is how the P5 team won their fight, so if Merope has any awareness of P5's story, it would make sense that she wants Wonder to have that, too.
Wonder himself is also very kid-friendly, as you can see in MARIAN and RIDDLE's story, so I think wonder is more like Maia Amano or Katsuya than Tatsuya. I think the p5x side story is better than the co-creator story, and the reason why the gacha reason for the strange idol is that the p5x original Strange Idol only has the daily story and no battle story. This is very fatal to the main theme of the persona series of SMT, which emphasizes the connection, because the Persona series is simply three gameplay: mask, combat and daily, of course, there is not much drama in the new Persona group(p3,p4,p5) in the mask, but because the main actors of p1 and p2 can all enter the velvet room, so there is more drama in the mask.
I agree that Wonder is very friendly to kids! I think Merope feeling a bit like a "little sister" could be related to that, actually. That does also make me think more of Maya Amano and Katsuya Suou than of Tatsuya. I think most people compare Wonder to Tatsuya because of his appearance, more than anything else. But it would be fun if he looks more like Tatsuya, but his personality is more like Maya!
The rest of this part is a little confusing because of the machine translation. I agree that the Persona series emphasizes a connection between Persona, combat, and daily life. But I'm not sure what you're trying to say about P5X with that?
There are many places where p5x pays tribute to p2, such as Closer's weapons(Sin and Punishment)(P2's full name is Innocent Sin & Eternal Punishment), and the two numbers 5 and 2 seem to be opposite in appearance, while p2 sin and p5x two main character group images can even correspond, lisa and Closer, Eikichi Mishina and Soy, Wonder and Tatsuya , Wind and Yukino Mayuzumi. And there are similarities in the other characters, too: 黑须淳 and the guy who looks like Pinocchio(wuhexi).
That's another good point about the P5X characters! There is a similarity in appearances between the main groups of P5X and P2: Innocent Sin. I think the name that didn't translate is 黒須淳, Jun Kurosu? I agree they look similar as well.
I wonder if that means there will be a teammate that looks similar to Maya Amano in the future. I think you could also say Wind looks more like Maya, though. So maybe there will be someone with curlier hair, like Yukino Mayuzumi has?
​Some of p5x's characters have some storylines in common. All five of them have regained something :Mont has regained her confidence on the court, Chord has regained her confidence in performing in front of people, Phoebe is dancing in a different way, Marian is working on her dream of becoming a nurse. Yuki rediscovers what she wants.
That's a good point! I think you could say even more of the storylines are about regaining something than just those five, especially since regaining desires is a core part of P5X's plot. For example, while Merope doesn't regain something, I would still say she gains a connection to the world outside the Velvet Room. She gained a desire to support her new favorite idol, and also support Wonder even more.
By the way, I found that the European and American versions of p5 actually have different roles from the East Asian versions of p5, for example, Futaba Sakura's code name is NAVI in the East Asian version, but Oracle in the European and American versions.
That's true! Some theories (that others have sent to me) speculate about whether any P5X characters will change code names when they release P5X in English.
Here are some of my thoughts: ​In fact, for p5 spin-offs, I would prefer to see some if timeline works, such as fan works on Pixiv :Persona 5 Reboot: ​The worldview is a neutral god testing man as the embodiment of the collective unconscious, giving the personas of Adam and Eve to Joker and Violet respectively. Meanwhile, Igor is real, Lavanda is not separated, Violet and Violet's sister join the main group, Mona does not lose her memory, Crow is met by joker ahead of time, the original character Sakami joins the main group, and Shiho Mizuai (鈴井スズイ) joins the main group. These people formed a new party, Road as Adam, against the seven angels who ruled the seven heavenly bodies and the Zodiac who corresponded to the false gods.
That sounds like a neat fan work!
I would definitely also enjoy a P5 spin-off that gets to change the original timeline of the game, or show an alternate way the events could have gone. I'd play a P5:IF game for sure!
p5x's original p5 limited the time of the character pool to match the game date of the character's entry into the team. For example, Skull,Panther and Mona appeared in April, Fox appeared in May, Queen appeared in June, so Navi should appear in August, Noir in September. ​October is the Gakuen Festival for the original, which is when many of the original characters are likely to be introduced, Crow is likely to debut in October, Harube and El(P5T) in December, Violet should debut in January, joker should return to Tokyo for a trip in July, Sophie and Wolf should debut at this time.
​I hadn't thought about this, but that would make sense! It doesn't seem like Navi will appear this month, based on the game version timeline the developers announced, but I would enjoy seeing her earlier than expected. I do think it would still work out okay if Navi was added a little later. Everyone else could still be on time!
There are also many original thieves to come out in the future, such as Aran in the plot. And Lume, Doctor and Cherish, of course. I don't know if Lisette is going to play.
Yeah, I'm not sure about Lisette either, haha. It's a bit strange.
In fact, the persona series had mobile games before, such as p3s, but the quality was not good, so I hope that the new generation of p5x can do a good job as a work to promote the perosna series and even the whole SMT system. Meanwhile, I also hope that P5X can make up for some regrets according to some of its Settings (phantom idols), such as Sophie and Violet appearing together. Tougou Ichinisan joins the main group, the appearance of Harube's strange costume (of course, he may be awakened because he faces the shadow like p4, so there is no strange costume) Aragaki's resurrection or awakening, the encounter between p3 and p3p's protagonists, the current situation of the old world of Tatsuya , Yoshida, Harube, and 冰堂鞠子: The dialogue of the three p5 politicians , the Kingo family in persona External animation, the remeeting of Kiba Kazumi and Suzuki (the protagonist of p2 external manga), and so on.
I hope P5X helps promote the Persona series as well! It sounds like it's already really popular in China, though I could be mistaken. But if it is, that seems like a good sign!
Oh, before when you mentioned Phantom Idols and I didn't understand, were you saying something like: it's unfortunate Phantom Idols only participate in combat, so they don't get to be involved in the daily life and story aspects of the Persona series? I agree. I think the concept of Phantom Idols is an interesting use of the way the Metaverse works (I think it's just called the "other world" in Japanese? I'm not sure about Chinese) , but it is a shame the characters aren't involved in the story. Except for Tomoko, a little. I hope maybe they can interact more in events at least!
I would love to see Sophie and Violet interact, on that note! I believe "Tougou Ichinisan" was the machine translation messing up Hifumi Togo's name? It would be so fun to have her join the team. I'd enjoy any of P5's side characters getting Personas and joining the team, honestly! But I know Hifumi Togo and Yuuki Mishima were both planned to be teammates in P5 at one point, based on concept art, so they would make the most sense.
It would be so great to get a proper Phantom Thief outfit for Toshiro Kasukabe, too, I agree! You make a fair point that he did awaken his Persona more like in P4, but he still had a mask, so I think he could have an outfit. Shinjiro Aragaki being resurrected might be a bit much to ask from a spin-off (instead of a sequel), but I would like to see him, even if it's just in a P3: Reload event. I think the same goes for Tatsuya's old world (as in, the P2: Innocent Sin timeline, I think is what you mean?). We did get to see P3 and P3P's protagonists meet in PQ2, but I'd love to see them meet again in P5X!
I'll admit, I hadn't considered Toranosuke Yoshida, Toshiro Kasukabe, and Mariko Hyodo meeting, but that could be fun! It'd also be really cool to see the Persona 2: Tsumi to Batsu characters appear in P5X. Sometimes when you click on Yuki to strengthen her, at least in Japanese, she says, "Tsumi to... batsu..." ("Crime and... punishment..." in English), and it really surprised me the first time, haha. Though I'm not sure that actually means anything. But it would be awesome!
In fact, the core or setting of each of p and jojo's two posthardia works is quite similar, p1 and jojo1's beginning, p2 and jojo2's development, against the seemingly impossible opponent Kaz and Naia, p3 and jojo3 highlight the great sacrifice, p4 and jojo4 are seemingly calm towns, but in fact, the undercurrent is very strong. The passive transparency of Adachi Turu and the active transparency of Yoshida Yoshitake, the direct self-facing of the protagonists, the rebellion and resistance of p5 and jojo5.
I don't actually know very much about JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, but it does sound like there's a similarity there!
On the Chinese Internet, Chinese players have two ideas about the phantom idol: The first view is that the phantom idol is wonder's previous "reincarnation" teammates, just like Soy or Closer. The second view is that the phantom idol is the result of a "myth" system similar to p2. (These people are rumored to be thieves, and then make them wonder's partners who can fight in other worlds)
Those are both neat theories! Based on what we know right now, I think the first idea seems more likely. But with the phantoms also being related to rumors (some gossip about someone posted on the website, like Ms. Katayama, is enough to get them treated like a phantom, even if they're not confirmed as one), I could also imagine rumors becoming even more important later in the story. In that case, the second idea could end up being true!
​Finally thank you can see here, thank you for bringing us blog content, hope you p5x, metaphor fantasy and SMT 5 revenge have fun!
Thank you for sending in all your ideas and thoughts! It's always cool to hear perspectives on P5X from more people. Especially someone who speaks Chinese, and knows what other Chinese players have been talking about as well!
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p5x-theories · 5 months ago
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Hello, after the P5X2.1.2 update of the Chinese server today, there are two bugs, one of which is that three new characters were exposed, which exactly correspond to Doctor, wuhexi and policewoman, and all three of them have coop characters, which means that they are likely to be five-star thieves. The second bug is the mysterious weapon box in the Baby Bird project, which at first corresponds to the strange thief code D, I thought it was the doctor's weapon at first, but the doctor's weapon is not like this, and later changed to M after the update, and said that 9.12 unlocked, which happens to be the time when Aran Hirai joined the main line. So the mysterious weapon "Double Blade" is probably Aran Hirai's weapon.
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Oh, thank you for the submission! You're the first person who noticed this weapon update and sent it to me.
I did make a post about the bug with the new names! I think you're right that one of them is Doctor, but I'm not sure the other two are Wuhexi (Cherish) or the policewoman (Tengdao), as Cherish's name is written as 武和希 according to Kiyoshi's Confidant, and it doesn't seem like Tengdao's name would be written like either of the new female names from the bug.
I'm pretty sure the weapon does belong to Doctor, though! The 3D model for his 4-star weapon looks just like that. If the letter changed to M, it probably means they changed his codename, and it won't be Doctor in the game when they add him. If his name is one of the names from the bug, his first name might be Motoyoshi, so his new codename could reference that (like how "Moko" references Tomoko)!
This does also means that Doctor will be added on September 12th, which is Version 2.2! We will get more of the game's main story in that update, but we don't know for sure if Aran will join the team during that yet. I hope she does, though, that would be fun!
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p5x-theories · 5 months ago
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In the initial version of p5x China server 2.1.2 (no subsequent patch updates), Sakura Futaba's name will appear in beach memories if the network is delayed.
This may be because the production team originally planned to add Futaba Sakura (Swimsuit) to 2.1.2.
Huh, interesting! There really were a lot of bugs in Version 2.1.2. I wonder if they rushed the update, and that caused these problems.
It's also possible they just used her name as a placeholder, and that's why it shows up when there's an error. Swimsuit characters that aren't actually playable, like Riko, Cattle, and Shun, also have events, so even if there was an initial plan to have Futaba present for this event somehow, they may not have actually been planning to add Summer Futaba as a new teammate.
(Translation of the screenshot: The small blue and white text on the left says "Futaba Sakura", while all three locked events on the right say "Complete the pre-story to unlock memories")
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p5x-theories · 5 months ago
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@whalefallertoy Yeah, that's possible too! I guess we won't know for sure until we learn more about Cherish.
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What We Know About Cherish
(last updated 8/15/24!)
This teammate, whose last name is Take and full name may be Kazuki Take (though this is unconfirmed), codename Cherish, is a first-year student at Kokatsu whose friends from another school are taking advantage of him. He's most likely a Phantom Idol, but this is currently unconfirmed.
His files are named with the codename "Wuhexi" instead of his canon codename Cherish. This seems to just be his real name in Chinese (first name Hexi, last name Wu).
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He has real-world portraits and a 3D model, but has not actually been seen in-game anywhere yet. A character with his exact name appears in Kiyoshi Kurotani's confidant, as a fellow student being bullied by some old friends, who Kiyoshi tries to help out. However, a random background NPC model is used for him (as pictured above), rather than his 3D model and portraits, for unknown reasons. Still, given the voice files for this student are also labeled as Cherish, it seems very likely that this student is intended to be the same character.
During a promotional video, a split-second shot showed what appears to be concept art for his Metaverse appearance (included at the top of this post). While it's not confirmed this is Cherish, a leaked AOA cut-in for Cherish seems to match this design:
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Little else is known about Cherish at the moment.
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p5x-theories · 5 months ago
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@whalefallertoy Oh, you're talking about the cards, right? I remember someone sending in a theory video from bilibili that had a similar idea, though it looks like the video is no longer available. I'm definitely looking forward to finding out! It would make sense if they added new cards before adding the characters that use them.
Hello, after the P5X2.1.2 update of the Chinese server today, there are two bugs, one of which is that three new characters were exposed, which exactly correspond to Doctor, wuhexi and policewoman, and all three of them have coop characters, which means that they are likely to be five-star thieves. The second bug is the mysterious weapon box in the Baby Bird project, which at first corresponds to the strange thief code D, I thought it was the doctor's weapon at first, but the doctor's weapon is not like this, and later changed to M after the update, and said that 9.12 unlocked, which happens to be the time when Aran Hirai joined the main line. So the mysterious weapon "Double Blade" is probably Aran Hirai's weapon.
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Oh, thank you for the submission! You're the first person who noticed this weapon update and sent it to me.
I did make a post about the bug with the new names! I think you're right that one of them is Doctor, but I'm not sure the other two are Wuhexi (Cherish) or the policewoman (Tengdao), as Cherish's name is written as 武和希 according to Kiyoshi's Confidant, and it doesn't seem like Tengdao's name would be written like either of the new female names from the bug.
I'm pretty sure the weapon does belong to Doctor, though! The 3D model for his 4-star weapon looks just like that. If the letter changed to M, it probably means they changed his codename, and it won't be Doctor in the game when they add him. If his name is one of the names from the bug, his first name might be Motoyoshi, so his new codename could reference that (like how "Moko" references Tomoko)!
This does also means that Doctor will be added on September 12th, which is Version 2.2! We will get more of the game's main story in that update, but we don't know for sure if Aran will join the team during that yet. I hope she does, though, that would be fun!
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