#we know they lived on beforus

[why-is-it-always-autumn]

The Beforan ancestors are so...

We know nothing about them. We know exactly who they were. Not one of them has ever spoken a single line in anything even canon-adjacent. Everyone can agree that He Would Not Say That. We know their full legal names. We don't know what anyone called them in adulthood. We can make some pretty solid predictions about their interpersonal relationships. We don't know which of them were even alive at the same time. We only know they exist because of a bunch of parodies of 2012 tumblr.

[meraki-sunset]

It’s a loop!

Guys i have a wacky theory but, BUT, we know Dirk and Rose are creating 2 different new species to compete with each other on Deltritus, Terezi will judge them and the winner gets to play sburb.

We saw many discarded creatures before the big 3-year hiatus, and when it came back we could see one particular creature, a horroterror looking creature, obviously made by rose.

So rose is most likely mixing abyssal creatures with her own DNA to make the ultimate Sburb player.

Acording to the MS Paint Adventures Wiki

“ Rose lalonde was never very involved with the show but purchased a shirt and re-purposed it to fit her tastes, which is quite fitting considering that the Squiddles are, in part, a subconscious reimagining of the Horroterrors and the other monsters in the Furthest Ring.”

NOW, Andrew Hussie once said jokingly that the session that created the A1 (the dancestors’s) universe was played by 48 Squiddles, but later deconfirming its canonicity in Book 4's commentary.

What if they are using that idea again? It’s normal to create stuff, delete it and suddenly dig it out because it can be repurposed for a new idea.

And with the last update confirming Rose’s species to be aquatic I think we’re headed in that direction.

I think Dirk and Rose will make their 2 species, and rose’s will be horroterror-like creatures. They will win the competition against Dirk’s species (idk probably something related to horse puppet ninjas) and a group of them will play the game.

Another instance of the squidles real form being abyssal creatures is the very first creature Dirk creates, maybe foreshadowing the winner of the competition?

Acording to dirk this will be a 4 player session. Which makes the staement of “a 48 squiddles session created Beforus’s universe” false, but still a posible foreshadowing to a more reduced number of the abisal conterpart of the squiddles being responsible for the creation of said universe.

So this Horroterror/squidle people play and win the game, create a universe, and this universe is where Beforus is born (Universe A1), which then gets scratched and creates Alternia (Universe A2), which creates EarthA, the beta kid's home (Universe B1), which also gets scratched and creates EarthB, the alpha kids’s apocaliptical home gobernated by the Condesce (Universe B2), which creates EarthC’s universe, where all the surviving players now live (Universe C), where the Horroterror/squidle people are created, who then win their game, create a universe, and this universe is where Beforus is born(Universe A1) etc, etc, etc.

There’s only five universes, which feed from each other in a wheel that creates and is created by one another. The Alpha timeline, just like a juju, is a perfect cycle and doesn’t have a beginning or end.

There’s no escape, it’s a loop.

[nekropsii]

Why do people call Porrim an MRA??? it's such a bad take I can't even begin to fathom the logic.

Uuuuugh. Okay, to my understanding, the logic is predicated on two concepts:

Kankri is Correct, there is no Misogyny on Beforus.

Since Beforus has a Matriarch, "complaining" about the Oppression of Women on Beforus is the exact equivalent... Men complaining about men being oppressed, despite us living in a Patriarchal society.

This is a terrible argument, because... Porrim literally explains in detail that that is not the case.

Yes, Beforus has a Matriarch... A Superficial Matriarch, where the woman in power is more of a Figurehead than anything. Law Enforcement and Politics are handled mostly by "Higher CIPs" - Ceruleans, Indigos, and Purples - which are predominantly born (hatched?) as men. ... If all of the Social Order and Politics are Enforced and Dictated by men... Then that... Is a Patriarchy.

So, we have it directly explained to us that Beforus is Superficially a Matriarchy, with a Governing Body largely composed by Highblood Men, who canonically benefit from the subjugation of women, because having women be of generally lower class than men means that... Men can cull women, potentially on the basis of being women. You know, that social system, enforced by the predominantly male-lead government that allows for what is essentially the ownership of people you deem incapable of caring for themselves as pets? The system that will take any excuse in the book? Sure, that may have been a social rule implemented by their version of HIC, Feferi fucking Peixes, but it's still being used as a weapon. Just because something was made by a woman, does not mean it cannot be used as a weapon against women in the name of misogyny. You think Alternian Culling doesn't work the same damn way?

There's a sharp cut of irony you have to feel at the fact that Porrim literally says that conversations of Misogyny on Beforus are often shot down using "The Matriarchy" as an excuse. If Misogyny wasn't a thing, why the fuck are Rufioh, Kankri, and Cronus literally, textually, purposefully Misogynists? Why the hell is Latula like that, then? I don't think this is a 1-to-1 allegory for the real world, man- Troll World Building has NEVER been a direct, clean allegory for the real world. I do not think she was ever intended to be read as an analogue to Men's Rights Activists, I think she was intended to be read as an Alien Feminist. If anything, this feels less like an MRA, and more like someone getting shut down for trying to have a conversation about how Misogyny Exists in, like, Thatcher-Era England or something. Well, there's a Female Prime Minister, isn't there? Misogyny is over, clearly.

Porrim is constantly posed as an Exposition Fairy on the same level as Aranea, just... With Politics and World Building rather than Character Analysis. Porrim is portrayed as cool, collected, and correct. Do you think Andrew Hussie - literal Andrew Hussie - would portray a fucking Men's Rights Activist with that level of grace and style? Because the answer is no! Every time a character is a Misogynist in Homestuck, they are comically terrible! Rufioh, Kankri, Cronus, fucking Caliborn! Hussie is a lot of things, and yeah, some of these things are bad, but none of these things include the label Misogynist. Hussie is well known for... Not doing that, actually, that's, like... A major appeal of the comic. The female characters in Homestuck are known for being really, really well written and really, really well handled!! If there was a Men's Rights Activist in Homestuck, we would know about it, because that character would be comedically terrible, constantly dunked on by everyone around him, totally bitchless, and posed as a relentless fucking menace who does not deserve to breathe the same air as any of the women in the story. You know, like Cronus! And Not Porrim!!

Also, can we all take a moment of silence to ponder how much of an L it is to have your entire point of discourse be based in the idea that straight up literal actual Kankri Vantas is correct? That is capital e Embarrassing.

[dingodad]

i think on all practical levels yes trolls are basically a clone race and it's just that instead of cloning vats they use a big bug for it. and a lot of people assume that means using a big bug for reproduction must be some shit they made up for clout and that it's Wrong but i think this misses the point lol i don't think homestuck is trying to say any one method of reproduction is more or less acceptable than another. insectoid clone races are so often made the villains in science fiction because as humans we can have these paranoias about strange and unfamiliar forms of reproduction that make those sorts of aliens easy to hate or paint as inherently evil. but you gotta challenge those kinds of biases.

#it'sokay to be a clone race because ultimately whether or not the person who raises you is actually your biological progenitor isn't really what's important. not being raised by your genetic forebears isn't what makes alternia fucked up because beforus worked in basically the same way; they just had a system of communal parenting that complemented their cloning-ish method of reproduction. what's fucked up on alternia is that trolls are separated from their ancestors by thousands of years and then told that it's actually super important that they know about their ancestors and try to emulate them in every possible way. so these highbloods spend their whole lives screwing themselves over trying to be exactly like someone who lived in ancient times that they were never even supposed to know or care about in the first place and then lowbloods go around with this sense of inferiority hanging over them because they don't have any kind of grand fascist narrative of genetic importance to uphold. but that's just my 2 cents

[shrimplymoray]

This is... Very much self-indulgent and for my own comfort right now. So, excuse anything that may be off, or a bit OOC. TW: Apathy crisis, existential crisis.

Cronus Ampora x Reader - Apathy

Cronus was never the smartest fish in the sea when dealing with people, especially when it is other's feelings. He may seem like the emotional type of guy (he has cried multiple times for human love songs), but dealing with others is way out of his league. He - and the rest of the Beforus trolls for that matter - keep wondering how he managed to actually score one. He was used to shooting his shot at others and missing by well over a mile, so his oh-so-not-smooth flirts actually hitting a soft spot for you made him lose his composure, and get fidgety. An adorable view, truly. Though in past times his bluntness and lack of emotional knowledge never affected you, it seemed as though fate had other plans. Apathy. Something all 13 of you have become used, almost acquaintances to. Sadly, being used does not mean it is easy to deal with. Some of you, like Meulin and Rufioh, have mastered the art of surrounding yourself with others to get better. Latula and Porrim tend to dive into hobbies to lessen the effects. You? Oh... Even after what seemed like thousands of years, it is a mystery what actually helps you. That is why, this time, Cronus went too far for you. It was simple, you were faking till you got better, but he ran his mouth too much. "Heyy~ hot stuff, are ya mad at somefin? Did'ya stub yer toes? Ya so dry it shorelly must'vwe been somefin goin' on." A pause, and an answer "I don't know what you're talking about Cro." "Huh? C'mon, bae~ Lemme guess... Meenah talked shit 'bout yer hair?" "Is... there something with my hair?" "wvah- NONONO! No it, uh, it looks as great as ya! Like alwvays, I just, uh, y'knowv howv she can get, haha!" You knew he was not trying to make you mad, yet... He didn't seem charming when being a dork, this time. Your pause, the look in your void white eyes that stared at his, and your look at the distance. That showed him something really was up. And also that he fucked up big time by running his mouth today. "Hey... Hey, look at me." "What?" "Y'knowv ya can trust me, right? Ya been here for me, wvhat good of a matesprit wvould I be if I didn't do the same?" ... "It's the... the thing, again. This stupid thinkpan of mine can't seem to co-work with my bloodpumper. It's like... Y'know how, like, sometimes the reality hits us? that... that we are gonna be here, forever. We will never grow old, travel the world, or... or have a life, again. We are stuck in the bubbles, and we don't have a future ahead of us anymore. Any... certainty we had once, from the moment our session ended, it will never occur, like, ever again." "Wvoah..." It took a while, the two of you staring at the abyss, on the edge of the dreambubble you two have been sitting on, a special place for you, as this is one of your bubbles. No one said anything. You couldn't feel uncomfortable, at that moment. The lack of emotions took a deep toll on you, but you instinctively looked at Cronus. When he looked at you, however, he didn't seem worried. Or afraid. He took his goofy fake 'human' cigarette put it on the corner of his mouth, and gave you his side grin. Not the smug one, the one he puts whenever he is really confident about what he is going to say. "I mean, ya not wvrong, by any means but... heh... Do ya think it is bad? I mean, hey! Wve are gonna be all here forevwer, so that means wve can at least, like, be together for eternity or wvathevwer. I used to be pretty damn bad wvith these apathy shellnanigans but... I'm not really that afraid anemonemore. I havwe the best fuckin' matesprit in the wvhole 'bubbles and, like, I'm pretty damn shore I can live the rest of a boring eternity if I havwe ya to make it interestin'!" As you two stared to the far, far void of nothing, outside the bubble, you instinctively reached a hand on top of his, which, as always, sent his face into a violet blush mess, and managed to drag a smile and chuckle out of you. "Can't complain with that, really."

[landoffreaksandfrogs]

Question for you, what are your thoughts on Aranea? I've seen people view her as a complete villain, i've seen people view her as a poor little woobie, and I've seen people deeply concerned about her adoration of Mindfang. I find her very interesting in the fact for all her manipulative behavior in homestuck, I can't really blame her for wanting to NOT fight lord english and just uncanonize him. But also she mind controlled and killed a lot of ghosts and directly or indirectly got lots killed.

i. adore aranea. not because i think shes good or even really all that nice, but because i think she has such a unique range of depth to her character that simultaneously paints her as a genius and an enormous idiot.

its clear shes very intelligent and cunning, as not only is she more powerful than vriska, but unlike vriska, who has to brute force her way through her conversations with her bravado and with her psychics, aranea can actually properly manipulate people with just her words.

shes smug and she idolizes an abuser because shes been lead to believe by paradox space itself that if she had been more like an alternian, she wouldve succeeded.

the thing with both serkets is that they HATE "losing," and losing can mean a lot of things to them and its impossible for them to let it go. aranea is obsessed with mindfang partially because vriska did, and its obvious that she really did want to connect with vriska on a genuine level, but its clear her normal sensibilities werent vriskas style.

no one takes her seriously, and by virtue of the meta-narrative, no one is SUPPOSED TO. the beforus trolls are jokes. they're flat caricatures of whatever person they might have been. homestucks afterlife is so fucked because not only does it degrade your status in the timeline, but also it degrades YOU, as a person. you have no goals, you have nothing else you can do but dick around in an infinite mish-mash of memories. its purgatory and a huge joke.

its obvious aranea seriously projected hard on the alternian ancestors to try to cope with this reality but until lord english started wrecking shop, she didnt have an outlet for this obsession. she seriously believes she IS mindfang despite the vastly different lives they lead, and the fact that she is still only a teenager.

she takes the end justifies the means to the farthest extent possible, blindly believing that one big damn heroic moment would be enough to make what she did okay. and thats a direct parallel to vriska planning to fight jack noir. she wants so badly to believe that one HUGE good thing will counteract the hundreds of small bad things that built up along the way.

shes. psychologically fascinating. the depths of her character is so immense, she is NOT a good person and on some level, she knows it. she fails horrifically because she was stupid for thinking that her plan to overwrite a doomed timeline would work. but its so fucked up and fascinating that. somehow. her actions and interference indirectly did lead to the alpha timeline. john and roxys survival from [s] game over are a permanent reminder of the mark she left upon the narrative. and we never see her again.

[davekat-sucks]

People really hate Cronus, and I think it has something to do with how the Beforus trolls were all living in a world that was far less violent than Alternia. Equius was somewhat similar in that he trapped Aradia in a robot that had feelings for him. He stripped her of her control and forced her to be his. Even in the afterlife.

Though what Equius was doing to Aradia is the kind of thing we expect out of a cruel world like that. Maybe it's that the cultural standards are so different across worlds we can judge their actions accordingly... or maybe people make up excuses for the characters they like.

Equius case is definitely because of how Alternia raised him to be and told them that these things are okay if you are in high status. It is also why despite Vriska and Eridan's actions too are seen as awful, they are justified because of their placement in hemospectrum. We barely know much about Beforus and what their world is like. Speculation is up in the air, but in the end, the trolls themselves were fucked that they had to do the Scratch. But yeah, it's a pick and choose who is good or who is bad even if they all lived under the same planet before the game and the Scratch.

[cupid-tune]

Hello, I really want your opinion about the rejection of Beforius, and how he influenced society. We learned from Openbound that the high-bloods take care of the low-bloods. And many have the theory that the Highbloods basically cull other trolls when they have a disability, or a mutation that makes them unable to live on their own, and take on the responsibility of caring for them. Pretty good idea if it didn't have a lot of downsides. What do you think, could Kankri be "rejected" on the beforius, what influenced his character in the future:? or he also initially concealed his blood color, and only during the session he stopped concealing it:? If you think about it, then Rufio is also a kind of mutant, but when he grew up, for some reason he hid in the forest, away from settlements, like cities, as if afraid of someone:?

Apologies in advance for the disturbance :ззззз

YOU DON'T KNOW HOW HAPPY THIS QUESTION MADE ME

I've been thinking about this just recently!! I enjoy looking for content that tries to fill the gaps in between the experience of Beforus, whether it be dialogue or fan stuff. It upsets me that we weren't given too much insight into things, but the fun part is making do with what we have. This post is mainly focusing on mutants on Beforus, but I think this could apply to lowbloods and trolls with disabilities just as much.

Long post ahead!

A lot of what I could gather about the culling on Beforus was from Kankri's dialogue, which peaked my interest the most reading through it. In any other instance, I would take his remarks in the intended humorous manner, but if we really want to dive into this, taking what he says more seriously is a big help.

Kankri describes the problems of Beforus as more underlying and insidious, which makes perfect sense with everything else we have. Feferi was the ruler on Beforus, and as such, was likely a kind ruler with a much more peaceful system in place. The problem is, utopia can't really be achieved, no matter how hard you try. What we're seeing is a flawed system, with trolls who, despite their peaceful way of life, still behave similarly to that on Alternia. You're going to have bad people with bad intentions, and they will most certainly take advantage of the system in place because it's so easy to do.

The theory that highbloods will cull lowbloods and mutants the same amount that it happens on Alternia sounds about right, even if their version of culling is near opposite. Mutants are pitied in such a society, and will be treated like fragile beings who are in need of help. Beforus and Alternia are both bad on opposite sides of the spectrum. One cares too much, the other cares too little. I think a good comparison for this would be the foster care system and how much corruption lies within it. Though, I'd rather not dive into serious real life matters like that while trying to talk about fictional trolls, so it's just good to keep in mind for future reference. Highbloods can take in mutants to care for them, and that seems to be about the extent of context we get. We could go different ways about this and guess whether or not their treatment of these mutants is monitored, or they are left to their own accord and simply trusted.

Coddling seems to be a big deal for Kankri, as one of the only times we see him flaring up in defense is when Porrim shows him coddling-like affection. This could be taken as pale or motherly, but either way, it's upsetting for him. Again, this is probably written to be lighthearted and entertaining, but seeing as this is the only time we see Kankri aggressive, I consider it a trigger of his. Touching, in general, I think is another trigger of Kankri's, which might also come from his culled upbringing.

Kankri pulls away from Porrim a lot, seeing as he directly insults the sweater she gave him but continues to wear it regardless. There is sentiment there, but Kankri shows conflicted behavior. Another alternative could just be that Porrim forces him to wear the sweater, since...Yeah, that pant line. It's understandable. When it comes to Kankri and his relationship with his blood color, the sweater could represent his pride and will to show off his blood now that he's no longer on Beforus. Kankri might've hid his color back then, or was encouraged to wear more neutral colors by his culler like Karkat does.

Further into the coddling nature, Kankri rejects any kind of form of endearment, since his view of it is that it feels belittling and condescending. I think this idea comes from the fact that he experienced similar treatment from whoever was taking care of him on Beforus, which he had grown to dislike either back then or came to realize during the game. He's even willing to take insults if it means not using "wiggler nicknames," which further shows just how much he dislikes this treatment.

Analysis out of the way, the theories of culling on Beforus can go many different directions. Kankri was culled on Beforus, yes. He didn't hide away like Karkat, he wasn't able to in his circumstances. As such, he was raised by a troll, a highblood most likely, who treated him as though he were a prized possession. Kankri could've been pampered and spoiled, which may explain his entitled behavior, but this kind of treatment comes with a lot of downsides. His culler may have been too protective of him, not letting him socialize normally like other trolls and keeping him isolated, or instilling this idea that he needed to be watched over, that he wasn't capable of living a life on his own because of his mutation. This could've been a common practice for many cullers, manipulation and conditioning in order to keep their culled troll under control. Of course, this is a darker way of looking at things, but realistically, this is a very likely reality for many mutants on Beforus. Like I said before, the nature of trolls are a constant, and that means bad people willing to take advantage of a bad system. The only reason I'm willing to take this route is because of how defensive Kankri gets about being treated like a wiggler, and why he strives to know more than others and stand above them. His upbringing shaped who he is now, and one could think that when those kids finally entered the session, Kankri was a free troll.

With Rufioh, he probably had a much easier time escaping the culling system. His wings sprouted later, so he wasn't immediately culled upon birth. He made a life out in the forest with other lowbloods, which allowed him to live relatively peacefully, at least outside of society. Things could've been a lot different for Rufioh had he undergone the same treatment Kankri did, but we can only guess how he would react under those circumstances. Rebelling sounds about right, but who knows how far he could've gotten with that?

Rufioh's behavior is very passive, and he seems pretty content with his life as a mutant. He treats it normally, while Kankri on the other hand hates terms like "mutant" and sees it as a more derogatory term than anything. This is just a Kankri thing, but this could very well be why it's a Kankri thing. I like to think the two have somewhat bonded over being mutants in the past, and Rufioh knows the extent of the culling system and its effects. It's a good thing he ran away while he could, whether it be intentional or not. Rufioh's relationship with his mutation is because he was able to grow up in a setting that didn't shame him for it, allowing him to be carefree and treated like any other troll. This is what Beforus should be, or what the ideal was meant to be.

Beforus culling can be just as bad as Alternia culling, in the way that the victims of it suffer the effects for the rest of their lives. Many culled trolls might even die early on, either because of natural causes in mutations or other health issues brought upon them from the culling treatment. Kankri was conditioned to believe that he shouldn't exist, but to be thankful that he was taken care of anyway. If the people of Beforus were under the impression that culling was an honorable responsibility to take up, caring for the life of another, the ones who were culled are less likely to get help in their situations. His distaste towards the caste system and its inequalities is justified, and that seems to be where a lot of his priorities lie, on educating others about that underlying hierarchy. He's pretty ignorant on other subjects like Porrim's arguments about gender roles on Beforus, and refuses to learn more about it. Which, is not a good thing of course, and is definitely on the list of things he needs to work on, but there are explanations. A lot of what I think are Kankri's personal triggers came from his upbringing, though we can only speculate. Stuff like this is why I enjoy digging into canon, speculation and theories are something I'm not able to indulge in often.

But in conclusion, damn.

[cure-typhoon]

I don’t know if it’s like a Reach on my end or not but I feel like the general group dynamic of the alpha trolls pretty well mirrors the beta group? Where as the beta trolls are abrasive and grew up on a shit planet but maintain a strange closeness, the alpha trolls tend to be more cordial with each other but their group feels comparatively distant and that most of them don’t like each other’s company. That’s just me though.

Yeah its dont think it's a reach, theres a possibility that Hussie didnt do it on purpose or plan it but I feel like the parallels are definitly there.

Like we know that Beforus was peaceful, but that doesnt mean it was good. You could live in peace but the people there we're in a constant state of being treated as less even when they we're as capable as other trolls just because you we're being culled. Which is probably why the trolls are less friendly with one another, they don't have the need to be, they have "peace" but not community and understanding of one another.

I'm sure a lot of them are done with being treated as less, which is probably why they are not so close to one another. I mean Horuss still acts as if dating Rufioh is such a big deal even if they had been thousands of years of living in the dream bubbles.

On the other hand trolls living in Alternia were in a constant state of fear of being killed by the Empire/another troll, which makes them be ready for any danger but at the same time it probably makes them get attached to a friendship even harder if they consider someone safe to be around.

Thats probably why they dropped Vriska so hard after the Aradia/Terezi/Tavros incident, she crossed that line and the trolls no longer trusted her, she was just like any strange troll on Alternia, a possible danger to them.

At least thats what i think so

[birchbow]

I don’t know if this was previously asked but how would the troll language sound like to the human ear? I was also wondering if there are different dialects depending on the caste.

In most of my fics I don't really go into it, so everybody's speaking Space English lmao. But in the fics where Alternian as a language is actually a point of note, I like a very insectile vibe. I kind of like the idea that it's difficult and uncomfortable for humans and trolls to learn to make the noises for each other's languages--trolls do a lot of work with parts of their throat/chest/thorax that humans don't actually have, and are bewildered by how much jaw, tongue, and breath human languages require. Humans aren't physically able to make some of the noises trolls use for language, because they don't have the parts, and learning to make imitations of the various clicks, rattles, chirrs and trills is quite a learning curve.

RE: dialects, I could probably ramble for 1000+ words about,,, actually let me bullet point some thoughts because this paragraph is massively rambling.

my god though, the conflicting linguistic possibilities of a race that's apparently pretty aggressively homogenized overall, but also has incredibly disparate lifespans between very clear castes

do seadwellers speak an older version of Alternian? did shorter lifespans and rapid generational turnover among warmer-blooded trolls lead to "low class" vs "blueblooded vernacular", ie "load gaper" vs "toilet"?

Does the social pressure to stay on top of all the castes below you lead to more heavy enforcement of that divide??

ALSO the concept of like, the vocal posture of USING a "highblood" word being considered a dominant posture or power move--either just because of the associations of it, not using the most respectful language, making it clear "i'm a lowblood, a lower blood than you, I respect that", or for practical reasons! Saying this simpler (more archaic??) highblood word shows your fangs, the longer lowblood terminology developed partially to avoid that sign of disrespect! AHH

And also how much regional dialect DOES one want to write on Alternia?

I think I've written once or twice that Gamzee's got a "seaside accent", because I was thinking that rather than a certain section of land further on-shore, lots of purplebloods might gather spread out along the coast, as the caste right on the border of land- and seadweller. divides along location, but also along bloodcaste and color...

Does Alternia have countries? Does one assume those countries or continents have their own language and culture, when the population apparently only lives there for some short period of years/sweeps before being shipped off into space?

On Beforus we have evidence that other languages are a thing, but Alternia has apparently done away with all sorts of things in the name of the empire--conflicting languages seems like a liability in the march of conquest, so it seems reasonable to me that the language would all be the same--and how does it effect localized dialects and accents, if grubs are all hatched in the same place and then shipped out to different cities, continents, etc?

Or out to different planets/ships! Apparently the empire is ludicrously huge--do settlements on ships far from Alternia develop their own linguistic drift??

Or only if they're colder-blooded trolls, maybe, since trolls as we get them in canon can't reproduce amongst themselves and have to send back to the home planet to create a new generation--so therefore warmer bloods who die or get culled more quickly don't have much chance to develop and pass on new culture before a fresh wave of younger trolls from Alternia come in the follow them?

Does the new generation that's shipped out have its own weird culture drift in a DIFFERENT direction, as Alternian youth culture goes one way and a ship full of adult trolls far from their central civilization goes another?

The concept of a version of PoF where I went in with this as a focus is fascinating to me--Meenah whose mode of speech is written exactly the same but when younger trolls hear it they note that she sounds to them like she's speaking some ancient like, vintage dialect, ala someone who talks like a fancy victorian vampire. Kurloz is hard for the baby clowns to understand sometimes because he's speaking Old Clown and the slang and terminology has shifted over the hundreds and hundreds of sweeps he's been alive. a mix and match of his own speech and hundreds of sweeps of evolution along the way. Young trolls sometimes use terms/slang/dialect that even the generation shipped out before them don't recognize.

Relatedly though it feels like it would shake out to some degree ala various German dialects versus Hochdeutsch, but cranked up to a million--one Technically Textbook Correct version that a person could speak and be understood, maybe that you'd learn in schoolfeeding and that hasn't changed since basically forever, and then whatever billion personal little spins

just, holy shit, the subtle indicators you could get on someone's color, age, location, the amount of time they've spent with their elders off-planet, how old those elders have gotten, the linguistic habits they have--and the linguistic habits they enforce, what's considered polite, how rigid those rules are

I need to go to bed but holy shit man, there are so many axes you could fuck around on, I'm so damn feral thinking about this shit. it makes me into a wild raccoon. I am turning the concept of alien culture over in my pink little hands and splashing it in the water so I can consume it for power

[redcr9ssnine]

Hell9!

My name is Kankri Vantas, if y9u haven't already read my 6i9graphy. I mean descripti9n. This is my pers9nal 6u66lr t9 speak 9n my 9wn life experience, t9 h9pefully defeat the claims that, 9n my last 6l9g, I was viewing things exclusively thr9ugh the lens 9f my 9wn experience. I attempt t9 stay entirely su6jective in any situati9n s9 h9pefully I will 6e a6le to 6r9aden many 9f y9ur views 9n th9se wh9 experience the less traditi9nal 6ef9ran experience. N9t that theres anything wr9ng with n9n traditi9nally, I myself c9nsider myself a 6asti9n 9f such, as s9me9ne wh9 identifies rather pr9udly as 69th celi6ate and p9ly-quad-curi9us.

I use he/him exclusively 6ut frankly y9u may use whichever pr9n9un y9u find m9st c9mf9rtable, I'm n9t exactly the m9st picky when it really c9mes d9wn t9 it. I am a male, h9wever, and that isn't in any expectati9n t9 change. I identify as hem9an9nym9us at the m9ment and while I c9mpletely understand any negative reacti9ns a tr9ll may have t9 that dreaded identity la6el; I d9 n9t 6elieve any9ne is pers9nally entitled to my caste. That said, it isn't a secret in the slightest and I am n9t ashamed 9f my 6l99d.

#TW #TW hem9an9nym0us #TW p9ly-quad #TW Hem9shame menti9n

I follow from @websitestar which is where my info/rules are.

This is an Blog-style RP account for Kankri Vantas. The au is undetermined but he's basically canon Kankri, or the closest I can get to it.

My names Jake/Cain I'm 22 I use he/him or hy/hym. I'm a white jew I'm disabled in various and have evil parents. My blog isn't mutual exclusive, no pedophiles (INCLUDES PROSHIPPERS) or racists. I block/unfollow extremely willy nilly, don't take it personally.

CW: Kankri is an asshole, he's a petty bitch and he can be extremely judgemental and socially inept. He is cowardly, multifaceted and deals with a lot of inner conflict. I can't vet every follower if they are okay with Kankri being a dickhead to their character, so if Kankri's canon ableism, sexism and general dickery pisses you off please don't follow. I promise it isn't personal, his character is just like this. If it bothers you, DM me and stop replying. We can decide if we want to stop rping together or just tone it down, but I cannot know if you don't like it if you don't tell me.

Kankri grew up in the cullee system on Beforus which has left him with a lot of scars from intense ableism, child abuse and poverty, and many of the things he says are him attempting to parrot his cullers for a sense of control and maturity that he doesn't feel secure in. He played the game for six years, was in the dream bubbles for a very long time before the beta kids/trolls won the game and they were transported onto earth as a reward, with memories of a casual earth life, with the betas, alphas and ancestors all living together in a family unit. Kankri has been struggling with visions of the signless since he was a kid but in the dream bubbles he was able to control them, and now that he's back on earth it's opened up the floodgates again, and this is basically meant to be a Kankri Redemption blog. He'll learn and get better slowly, but right now he is in ableism repression city. Most of the TW's he brings up are his own triggers he doesn't know how to ask for help for, and most of the claims he makes about other people are him projecting his insecurity onto them.

[beforus-against-real-justice]

....I hesitate tø even send this, but yøu are the ønly actual beføran I knøw øf and have talked tø in the past. what dø yøu use tø pøwer yøur ships? I hear the engines are nøn-living?

beforans are not hard to fiiind!!! beforus-for-real-justiiice!!! wriiiggler-namiiing-suggestiiions!!! gondiiiiii-knows-best!!! etc etc!!! anyway!!! we use!!! batteriiies!!! and the engiiine!!! what do you mean non-liiiviiing!!!

[nekropsii]

I'm sorry to bother with my ask, but you are the most trustworthy mituna/ alpha trolls writer and I need to hear your thoughts.

How do you think mituna Pre-game life has been based on his classpect? Heirs usually have a certain privilege over the aspect they inherit, they dont have to work hard like a page to get it, however they either dont know what to do with it or the aspect get to take control of the heir. Do you think Tuna got to live a more comfortable life for beforus standards? How would the doom manifest in him? John became wind, equius became irrelevant, pehaps mituna great act of heroism was doom taking control of him instead of him learning how to take control of doom.

We actually can infer quite a bit about this. He was Cassandra. The logical conclusion is to keep adapting the Cassandra myth, and to assume his Doom is being Cassandra.

Mituna was an incredibly powerful psionic and basically an oracle. In the game, he knew whenever something bad was going to happen, and tried desperately to tell people. They never listened. I wouldn’t say his story follows 1:1 with that of Cassandra’s, where his Doom Vision was granted to him by an Apollo figure… But it’s pretty damn close, and I’d have to assume part of why they never listened was because he still got Apollo’s subsequent curse - to see the future, but never be believed. Considering this is a destruction of others’s belief, and the curse came as a punishment for Cassandra telling Apollo she doesn’t want to date or have sex with him… We already know who the Alpha Trolls’s Apollo figure is. It’s Cronus, Bard of Hope. Destroyer of Beliefs, and Known Sex Criminal. Due to the severity of the abuse he inflicts upon Mituna on screen - the violent bigotry and insults, the blatant disregard for his clear, desperate, repeated exclamations of his lack of consent, the molestation - we must also assume he fulfills the role of Ajax the Lesser as well.

Following this train of thought is the idea that people would actually readily listen to Mituna’s advice on Beforus. If he told someone to cut shit out, they’d listen to him. He likely didn’t have all that much mysticism surrounding him, considering he entered his SGRUB session at 13 years of age - it likely would’ve manifested in the same way Jade’s friends listen to her because she tends to be right about everything, inexplicably. They think it’s weird he can do that, but just shrug their shoulders, puzzle about it, or think he’s cooler for it.

Although he was an able-bodied male and carries an extremely useful ability, he was still a Goldblood, so his life was not privileged. He was pretty high on the Culling block, with him actually likely being specifically sought after due to his unique ability. Perhaps he evaded this through means of reclusion.

Getting culled might, theoretically, adopt you into the potential for wealth of a Highblood, but your autonomy is still getting stripped away from you quite violently. You are a trophy. You show wealth and status. You’re a novelty toy. You’re shown off like a cool knickknack, as if you’re not a person with a life and feelings. Everything is decided for you - what you wear, where you can go, what symptoms you’re allowed to have and express, what you eat, etc. - your control of your own life harshly limited to the whims of the Highblood. You are a foster child in middle class white suburbia, and your life is hell.

So, his life before the game was theoretically not as bad as it was in and after the game. He had yet to meet his combination of Apollo and Ajax the Lesser. He had yet to sacrifice himself for people who he called friends, yet who discarded him the second he stopped being what they wanted. He had yet to get locked with these people for eternity, still never listened to. But it still sucked. He’s an Heir of Doom, and a Lowblood on Beforus. It all still sucked.

[trollocs-ooc]

please tell me how second feels about tje raveri getting culled thing. i think his reaction would be So funny but i've only seen like 10% of it.

whoops sou asked this right as i fell asleep basically sorry 4 nit responding. This isnt rlly all that funny actually but i made it anyway o

Sefond feels so so so worried abt raveri wanting to go to beforus to get culled. Hes just been asking questions this whole time. Trying to get raveri to see that his plan isnt sound. He isnt mad, hes just really really worried and thinks raveri didn't think it through at all. He also fucking hates beforus cullers as we all know so raveri just deciding to LEAVE HIS UNIVERSE to come live with 1 he met recently over the internet is sending off all of seconds alarms.he has such a bad feeling about it that its unreal

Besides just the illogical nature of this plan, and that its internet safety in the negatives, second is also worried because raveri literally didnt tell anybody. He just decided to go. He doesn't feel entitled to Raveris decision making, of course, it's just really fucking worrying when the extremely easily malleable troll decides to make a big life decisions regarding his life and another troll WITHOUT telling any of his friends, and getting extremely defensive abt it

And also doesn't understand how raveri can go to another universe with (from his perspective ) a stranger to basically go live with them forever it seems like, when raveri was so so worried about his mother finding any of his friends that raveri basically told second he cant talk to him because raveri doesn't want her to find out abt their friendship. If thqt was the case then why can raveri leave now, what changed. Second would have let Raveri live in HIS hive if he wanted. He would have seperated him and eleven by floors if he had to if it meant raveri could feel safe and comfortable in his hive. But he never got to even offer, because he trusted raveri enough to stay alive in his own situation, and that he'd come to his friends if he needed any help like that. But now hes getting beforus culled of all fucking things, before coming to any of his friends for help or advice

So tldr: second hates beforus culling, has an extremely bad feeling about this whole thing, is worried about raveri and the instability of his plan and mental state

[cassanovasanchor]

♛|| The Empire of Aublion ||♛

"Greetings, and welcome to the world of Aublion: a superearth type planet located in the Milky Way galaxy, about halfway through the Carina-Sagittarius arm.Its a relatively advanced space-age world inhabited by the large beings known as Sadrids, and their much smaller planetary predecessors, Gackles. Come join me as I flesh their universe out further and explore whats waiting for us, both cosmic and terrestrial!"

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                                             || Project Name ||

                                                    The Empire of Aublion

                                            || Main Premise ||

Aublion is currently being built to continue a project i started when i took what is now Aublion, from my fleshed-out-past-anything-canon, AU Homestuck based planet of Beforus. I developed a rich and complex history based on some characters i rped from that AU and the planet around them, and I wanted to do more with that setting, without being restrained by a fandoms canon. This project has technically been in process since 2016, but i began major revamping and started getting serious worldbuilding and original species information and content out in 2019.

My longterm goal is to have this be an open ended project, where people can create their own Sadrids, and plot out a story with them! (And make a webcomic with my fiancé in the setting as well!)

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                                              || Image Info || The map shown below is of the entire planet of Aublion, created in Inkarnate. An interactible version, with labels is available in 4k on Aublions WorldAnvil.

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What is a Sadrid?

A Sadrid is an incredibly tall carnivorous humanoid (10'5"-16'7"), possessing venom, digitigrade legs, paws, horns, long claws and a tail. They can switch from a bipedal stance to a quadrupedal stance at will, due to their longer arms, and rear connected skull positioning.

The three subspecies outside a "standard" Sadrid ( called a Lijdroa) are called Yalvit (winged avianesque Sadrids), Edu (Amphibious water dwelling Sadrids with gills), and Hroven (Subterranean Edu and Lijdroa that have evolved to live entirely under the ground) Below are example refsheets of each species. Please click for full detail and to read the flavortext!

                                                    Lijdroa

                                                   Edu

                                                   Yalvit

                                                   Hroven

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Aublion currently has nearly a small books worth of information about it. I have information on culture, society and how they act, foods ,examples of music that sounds similar to what they listen to, information on technology they use, an in progress language called Tábufuian that has its own script, font ive made, translator, and dictionary with nearly 4k words, information about the species themselves, and how they evolved, their two main religions, and much more! Feel free to ask about the world or Sadrids in the reblogs, comments, or, check out how to join the server below!

Thank you for reading so far, and if you're interested in knowing more about Sadrids and Aublion when this is all done, i have a dedicated discord server where i post information not yet released to the WorldAnvil, artwork, WIPs, and more with a small community i have gathered. (we also have rp spaces if you'd like to join with your created Sadrid, as well as areas you can share your own worldbuilding!!) If you would like the link to join, just send me a DM on here! If you're over 18, ill give you the link (Not really for nsfw, its mainly due to everyone being in their early-mid twenties and up, and we would much prefer to keep it to a similarly aged crowd for our hangout space!)

[rainbowbarnacle]

Epilogue Part 2!

This was supposed to be a bit of an extra ending for Fixer Upper, a Beforus fic where Mituna has to deal with living on the same spaceship as Cronus and Kankri, (which is just as awful as you might imagine) buuut sadly the second epilogue kinda fizzled out on me.

I like this part, though. Mituna spends most of this fic preparing for a physical and cognitive checkup from the Two Moons Rehabilitation & Sanctuary for Adolescent Culls, and in this scene, he meets his Wellness Manager.

Whoever you imagined the culling center might send to grade you for your wellness review, it certainly wasn’t this asshole.

For one thing, everything about this baffling fucker is bony and delicate and androgynous: long limbs, flat chest, zero ass or hips to speak of. They’re tiny. They are itty fucking bitty. Even with the bleatbeast horns, you have a good few inches on them. You, typically used to being the shortest and scrawniest person in the room by far, feel positively robust in comparison. The only thing that isn’t insufferably weensy about them is their hair, which rivals yours in curly fluffiness and volume.

They stride in wearing the same white coat as the others, but rather than wear it like a normal person they have opted to sort of drape it over their shoulders like some kind of cape. Underneath the coat is a black leotard with a skeleton printed on it, with gloves to match. How is this a uniform? Is it religious? You’ve heard indigos can be alarmingly religious. This one is even wearing black and white skull face paint to complete the look, their eyes enormous in the dark pits of the sockets. 

They’re holding your helmet in both hands. 

Oh, shit. You dropped it during the confrontation with your captain and totally forgot about it in all the chaos. They hold it out to you and you snatch it close with a wordless shuddery sound, relief making you feel weak and noodly all over, your bloodpump skipping a beat or two.

They tilt their head and smile at you–or as much as they can with the fucking neon rainbow threads sewn in a zigzag pattern across their lips. It’s not pitying or condescending–it’s quite genuine, bright and excited and eager, as if you’re just as big of a mystery to them as they are to you, and they can’t wait to learn more.

“Ah, finally,” Latula says. “Mituna, this is Kurloz Makara. They’ll have some questions for you after we get the physical out of the way.”

“Uh. How.”

“How?”

“How are they going to ask me?” You tap your lips pointedly, before you can realize you’re being rude, but Kurloz only smiles broader as they dip their chin and huff a laugh through their nose.

Latula snorts and waves a hand dismissively. “You’ll see. It’s getting them to shut up that’s the hard part. C’mon, sit over here with me.”

Were it anyone else asking you to go over and sit on the examination table, you would have instantly changed your mind and noped out in a heartbeat. But she says that like she’s inviting you over to a picnic or something, without so much as a hint of a wheedling note in her voice, and you’re quickly realizing that you would walk out of an airlock if she was holding your hand.

And so you let her walk you over and help you up, pressing your knees tightly together and hugging your helmet like it’s a recupracoon toy as the other staff members descend on you like a pack of hungry barkfiends.

Thank god they let you wear your helmet. Somehow you can breathe easier with the visor between you and them while they take your temperature and blood pressure, listen to your bloodpusher, and take note of your respiration. There’s some wireless grub-shaped device strapped to the inside of your wrist to keep record of your pulse and god knows what else–you can see a bunch of numbers on a nearby screen, as well as a little line graph going up and down, but you have no idea what any of it means.

They make you take the helmet back off to check your eyes, ears, throat, and balance but they promise to let you put it back on afterward, so you allow it. Aside from the indignity of them tilting your face this way and that so you can look into a series of special light pens or allow them better access with some device you’ve never heard of to look at your ear canals, it’s not so bad. The only real awful part is when one of them has you open your mouth and presses some sort of plastic diagnostic instrument against the back of your tongue that makes you gag reflectively–but it’s over very quickly, and the caregiver actually apologizes after.

You’re able to walk more-or-less in a straight line when they ask you, tip toeing on the balls of your feet with your hands held out just so, but it goes all wobbly the moment they make you shut your eyes. It’s the same when they have you stand on one leg and close your eyes. You are also terrible at touching your nose with your eyes closed–your thinkpan just scrambles. All you know is Latula is watching and this shit is embarrassing. 

“Who the fucking FUCK DOETH SHITTY EXERCITHETH WUTH THEIR LOOKSTABS SHOT OH MY GROD–”

“It’s fine, Mr. Captor,” says the one steadying you, and if your eyes weren’t closed you’d bite off his nose. “There isn’t a right or wrong to this, we’re just seeing how–”

“DOWN PATRONIZE ME.”

“That isn’t our purpose,” he says. “You can open your eyes now.”

“Yeah,” you mutter as you hop awkwardly back onto the table. “Thorry.”

You get the helmet back. You slot your horns in, pull the visor down, and get the chin strap perfect, watching the line graph on the screen take a little dive as you start to relax. Huh. Neat.  

They make you smile, frown, and puff out your cheeks. There’s a test where you make fists and try to lift them upward while they press down, and another where they make you make ring shapes with your fingers, then pull at them to see how long you can keep your fingertips together. 

Your fingers are tingling and your wrists ache by the time it’s all over, and you have a feeling you’ve failed miserably, but no one scolds you or looks disappointed.

They let you have a break and take the weird grub-thing off your wrist. You sprawl back on the examination table while the group heads off to record their findings or whatever, and somewhere at the end of all of it, you end up with Latula holding your hand on one side of the table, and Kurloz on the other.

Kurloz is not holding your other hand so much as examining it. You can’t tell if they’re admiring your nail polish or trying to press your palm like someone playing with a mewbeast’s toes, but you decide you don’t like it, and when you take your hand back they release it without so much as a blink of protest.

“You did good, kid,” says Latula, and you forget all about Kurloz and their weird fascination with you. The way she says it, you actually believe her. “How you feelin’?”

“Shitty.”

“Well, hey, you’re almost done–just a quick urine and bloodtest and then I get to leave you here with Kurloz for a little while.”

“Waig, you’re not thtaying?” You half sit up in protest, but she pats your shoulder and you let yourself relax back against the table.

“Nah, man, they keep us pretty busy. I got other stuff on my agenda I gotta do first. But I can come back for lunch, how’s that sound?”

“When’th launch?”

“Mm, ‘bout an hour and forty minutes?”

“Fuuuuuuck.”  

“I know, right? I’ll be counting the minutes too, cutie,” she says, with Kurloz right there and everything, and your face goes thermonuclear under your helmet.