#beforan culling

[nekropsii]

I'm sorry to bother with my ask, but you are the most trustworthy mituna/ alpha trolls writer and I need to hear your thoughts.

How do you think mituna Pre-game life has been based on his classpect? Heirs usually have a certain privilege over the aspect they inherit, they dont have to work hard like a page to get it, however they either dont know what to do with it or the aspect get to take control of the heir. Do you think Tuna got to live a more comfortable life for beforus standards? How would the doom manifest in him? John became wind, equius became irrelevant, pehaps mituna great act of heroism was doom taking control of him instead of him learning how to take control of doom.

We actually can infer quite a bit about this. He was Cassandra. The logical conclusion is to keep adapting the Cassandra myth, and to assume his Doom is being Cassandra.

Mituna was an incredibly powerful psionic and basically an oracle. In the game, he knew whenever something bad was going to happen, and tried desperately to tell people. They never listened. I wouldn’t say his story follows 1:1 with that of Cassandra’s, where his Doom Vision was granted to him by an Apollo figure… But it’s pretty damn close, and I’d have to assume part of why they never listened was because he still got Apollo’s subsequent curse - to see the future, but never be believed. Considering this is a destruction of others’s belief, and the curse came as a punishment for Cassandra telling Apollo she doesn’t want to date or have sex with him… We already know who the Alpha Trolls’s Apollo figure is. It’s Cronus, Bard of Hope. Destroyer of Beliefs, and Known Sex Criminal. Due to the severity of the abuse he inflicts upon Mituna on screen - the violent bigotry and insults, the blatant disregard for his clear, desperate, repeated exclamations of his lack of consent, the molestation - we must also assume he fulfills the role of Ajax the Lesser as well.

Following this train of thought is the idea that people would actually readily listen to Mituna’s advice on Beforus. If he told someone to cut shit out, they’d listen to him. He likely didn’t have all that much mysticism surrounding him, considering he entered his SGRUB session at 13 years of age - it likely would’ve manifested in the same way Jade’s friends listen to her because she tends to be right about everything, inexplicably. They think it’s weird he can do that, but just shrug their shoulders, puzzle about it, or think he’s cooler for it.

Although he was an able-bodied male and carries an extremely useful ability, he was still a Goldblood, so his life was not privileged. He was pretty high on the Culling block, with him actually likely being specifically sought after due to his unique ability. Perhaps he evaded this through means of reclusion.

Getting culled might, theoretically, adopt you into the potential for wealth of a Highblood, but your autonomy is still getting stripped away from you quite violently. You are a trophy. You show wealth and status. You’re a novelty toy. You’re shown off like a cool knickknack, as if you’re not a person with a life and feelings. Everything is decided for you - what you wear, where you can go, what symptoms you’re allowed to have and express, what you eat, etc. - your control of your own life harshly limited to the whims of the Highblood. You are a foster child in middle class white suburbia, and your life is hell.

So, his life before the game was theoretically not as bad as it was in and after the game. He had yet to meet his combination of Apollo and Ajax the Lesser. He had yet to sacrifice himself for people who he called friends, yet who discarded him the second he stopped being what they wanted. He had yet to get locked with these people for eternity, still never listened to. But it still sucked. He’s an Heir of Doom, and a Lowblood on Beforus. It all still sucked.

[cullee-for-beforan-culling]

hello, my name is INFOKIT. can you tell me more about beforan culling?

my information on this topic is limited, and i am open to recieving any information you can spare.

== This will be a long one, so I will place it below a cut. ==

[\\OOC: Warnings for forced sterilization, eugenics, and description of normalized atrocities from the perspective of someone who agrees with the practices.\\]

== Beforan culling was initiated by the Empress of Beforus, Her Altruistic Affirmation, as such, it is a multi-milenia old tradition. When SHE bested her predecessor in combat at the age of nine sweeps, SHE outlawed the previous notion of culling, and set about the cycle of refurbishing our eugenic system. SHE is a kind Empress, and as such was disgusted by the murderous form of culling HER predecessor affirmed, and sought a form of culling which killed none, without damning the species to complete uncontrolled degeneration.

She devised a method where individuals would be removed from the genepool, but without the barbarity of wanton murder: Surgically altering an unworthy, infirm troll as to be rendered inert, protecting the genepool from weakness, degeneration, and mutation.

Once these wastes-of-trolls were neutralized, they would be taken under the wing of an experienced troll who could supervise them and make certain they would never damage society with their mutant thoughts, incompetent natures, or treacherous inclinations.

The practice of neutralizing the culled has been challenged as of late by the woke mob. It is no longer mandatory, with eugenician recommendation, in some regions, or mandatory at all in others, inspired by the treatment of the protected castes no doubt. Suicidal idiocy. The fools seek to outlaw it entirely. Some claim chastity, filial registries, and the "honor system" are enough. As if. Our cancer's fecundity will be our species' downfall. Just one contaminated pail leads to generations of freaks. I know for a fact I am not the only descendant of my ancestor. ==

[containeranalyzer]

[upward-centrifuge]

Pasque: I came here to have a good time and I will NOT engage in culling discourse for the sake of my own mental health I will NOT I will N

Diazne: *exists*

Pasque:

[trenchgardens-ooc-ooc-ooc-ooc]

if limebloods are culled because other trolls want to hurt them, are their cullers somehow immune to that?

its not true.

its propaganda.

Limebloods are culled because their caste psionics, and semi seadwelling nature made them threats to the regime, the hemocaste.

Their psionics had to/have to do with other trolls. Psionic empathy, intuition, however it manifests, except in the psychically deaf, this trait predisposes them towards humanitarian ideals. They are predisposed towards wanting change. They are predisposed towards social skill. They are predisposed to social movements.

They're a lowblood. Theyre aquatic, often. What more is a threat to seadweller superiority than lowblood seadwellers?

So came the smear campaign, the propaganda, the infantilization, mystification, the culling.

Eliminating a threat is all it ever was.

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[thedarkbringer]

Beforus culling.... On the mind fo today.

Imagine being deemed worthless from birth in general--any kind of culling, beforan or alternian, is fucking shit, but I've felt sumn similar to beforan culling before and it's stuck with me.

Imagine being a lowblood with some sort of defect--say your eye just never developed. No fucking right eye for you. You don't know that anything is wrong with you. You're put in the hands of some highblood, so they can cull you. You will never live a normal life with a normal lusus or normal quadrants. You only exist to make your culler look like a saint.

Idk. It's On the mind.

[shreddits-less-popular-opinions]

people need to be less easily offended over normal culling practices when the cullees literally dont care

}:0)

[citrinesermons]

are you happy with your culler?

yes….!.!.!.!.!.!.!!

[trenchgardens-ooc-ooc-ooc-ooc]

im about to talk about institutionalized forced sterilization. dont read this if thats as bad for you to think about as it is me, or god forbid worse.

theres also a bit at the end about how i resent the trend of treating individuals even in our own fiction as disposable

my logic follows that it wouldn't be called culling if they werent being Yknow Removed from the gene pool. thats why my cullee characters were victims of forced sterilization. exceptions for protected castes who have something else and maybe worse.

the way i think of it is just. like. uber cold pragmatic and disregarding bodily autonomy or ethics: if you let them create genmat theyre going to have the /chance/ to sneak into the gene pool. Yknow. Fucked up and horrifying and needs to be treated as Fucked Up And Horrifying.

plus this way i dont think anyone would care if a cullee got into a concupiscent quad.

I think there could be a less atrocious form of culling that would be for "non cullable" things like being maimed in a way that doesn't matter much, obviously unfairly judged based on caste. say if a troll got their eye and arm blown off they might get temp "culled" on the higher end of the spectrum while prosthesis can be made and on the lower end of the spectrum. Yknow. Horrors.

no non eugenical society wouod have something that could be described as culling built in. i can understand why people wouldn't want to write that though because. like. its fucked up. to violate someones autonomy in such a visceral way. as biological life we really like making more of ourselves so uh yeah. theres a certain gutteral violation that comes with forced sterilization, especially when culturally and governmentally mandated, and its highlighted even more when you contrast it with an institutionalized removal of another key bodypart like a hand. the only things that really feel so violating to me are lobotemization sterilization and execution. all about in the same tier.

though. we're real cavalier with murder in our stories and we as a greater collective kind of dont seem to care when a fictional life is ended and almost never treat them with the respect an actual life would deserve, like how people didn't get why i was upset about Bawurz. so. it kind of feels hypocritical that people are squicked by that and not alternias culling system. its kind of a hypocrisy im Glad is there because. jesus christ if we treated forced sterilixation in the same way we treat murder in our fiction i would. leave society. but it still kind of bugs me. like how cavalier we are with character death even if they were characters whose only narrative purpose was to die. ... like you know the concept of Fridging? as an awful trope? yeah. that. everyones their own main character. if something horrific happens to someone then handle it with some respect even if in universe they're disregarded or even mocked, its callous to just move on like they never existed.

or thats my oversensitive empathy talking

do you think beforan cullees are discouraged from pitch and flushed relationships but encouraged to be in pale and ashen ones?

Like culled trolls would be discouraged or completely banned from giving genmat to the mother grub. right. to exclude more mutants? some eugenesist shit? so why would they be encouraged to be in pitch or flushed relationships.

but pale and ashen relationships, they're not involved with paling, and they're something that a Good CulleeTM would do.

Idk. is this anything.

[nekropsii]

I always figured that culling was similar to what Munchausen by proxy is

Um… Nope. That is a very specific medical condition that real people suffer with, and Beforan Culling quite frankly does not fit the terms of it. There is a reason why Munchausen by Proxy is also referred to as Factitious Disorder Imposed on Another- it’s a highly specific form of abuse and manipulation.

That would imply that the Cullee is falsely imposing onto the Culled what they’re culling them over- like they’re manipulating them over a long period of time to believe that… They’re actually a Lowblood, or actually Disabled, or actually a woman, et cetera, when they factually are not. That just isn’t true, the Cullee isn’t inherently making anything up, they’re following their society’s rules by responding that way to what is in front of them. The Cullee isn’t making anything up, their society just genuinely sees the Cullable as lesser, wholly incompetent subhumans. This is not inherently a problem with the Cullee, the Cullee isn’t manipulating the Culled into believing something that isn’t true, it is a genuine social issue.

Beforan Culling, like Alternian Culling, is not a clear cut metaphor. Hemoloyalty is also not a clear cut metaphor. It’s very, very individualized, and you can take any angle you want with it. It can be an allegory for racism, for classism, for misogyny, et cetera. But I personally find Beforan Culling tends to lean in the direction of being an ableism metaphor.

The coddling aspect of it reminds me, personally, of overbearing parents viewing their disabled (late teen/adult) child as what is essentially a toddler. It doesn’t help that disability is a specific thing that’s focused on quite a bit during the conversation of Culling on Beforus. Cullees feel not unlike the stereotypical Autism Mom… to the point where I genuinely wonder if that was intentional.

[seagullcharmer]

homestuck has ruined me for so many other media and it's purely bc of troll romance. so many things get better when you apply quadrants to things. and yes i am currently thinking abt what leverage would be like as a beforan show. nate/sophie matesprits. nate/sterling kismeses (ex moirails for extra fun). parker/hardison matesprits and hardison/eliot vacillating flush/pitch. parker/eliot pale flings. sophie/tara moirails. and don't get me started on like troll culture in general. heists while utilising the hemospectrum. hemoanon sophie, and her blood never gets revealed on the show. teal sterling. tossing around the idea of jade nate. hardison as a lowblood with kickin' psionics. et flippin cetera.

[dingodad]

sources are currently telling me the comic never even says kankri was culled. so what the hell have people been talking about all these years

[gondiiknowsbest]

BEFo+RAN “CU#ING” IS GENUINELY So+ FUCKING WEIRD AND GRo+SS Ho+W Do+ES Yo+UR DIGESTION SACK K#P Do+WN A# o+F THE Ho+#ID Wo+RDS YOU SPEW o+N GRUMBLR. Yo+RE TREATING REAL LIFE TRo+#S LIKE PU#BEASTS AND BARKBEASTS WHEN Yo+U SHo+ULD BE *ACTUA#Y* CU#ING THEM. o+R LE#ING THEM LIVE THEIR MISERABLE LIVES IN PEACE

o And Just What Do You Think "Actual" Culling Means? I Keep My Cullees Fed, I Put A Roof Over Their Heads, I Take Them To The Mediculler When Theyre Hurt. I Comfort Them When Theyre Sad Or Scared. I Dont Think Im Going To Let Them "Live Their Miserable Lives" Alone, No. o

[trenchgardens-ooc-ooc-ooc-ooc]

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[mossolantern]

yknow, i've realized that some of my headcanons just make some characters worse people for no other reason than "its the vibe" or "i think it'd be funny if this were the case", sometimes a mix of both