#we all know that's the real problem on Webtoons

[nayru-s-clay-tablet]

Stories and age appropriateness

Recently Webtoons decided that all comics on there have to be age-rated by creators. Age-rating comics is tricky business, mostly because there's no room for context.

Triforce of Power wound up being Young Adult (16 and up), and what bumped it up were the violence and the alcohol. In fairness, I might have over-reported the violence -- buuuut there is going to be more blood before the story is over. So I didn't want them coming after me for under-reporting it.

But the alcohol issues were unavoidable.

It doesn't matter that getting drunk is portrayed as negative, it doesn't matter that it's kind of accidental the first time it happens and entirely accidental in the second case... I can't really convey that context in the parameters that they've given me to rate my comic. The alcohol is there, it's visible, and it's consumed. So screw context, that makes it evil! (Would it be considered mild consumption since it isn't a large focus/not present in many panels? Or would it be considered moderate to excessive since people are technically getting drunk? Who knows!)

Stories are weird. Discussion of age appropriateness is weird. Not bad weird, just tricky. And I don't think a ratings system is inherently a bad idea! But the execution... could be better.

C'est la vie!

[thistlerock]

Hmmm okay I sat on it for half a day and have decided that the things I DONT like abt fantasy high webtoon so far aren't just me being a bitter fan of the og highly critical of an adaptation. It's still a little bit that though, so take this with a grain of salt.

- I have no problem with Riz being the main focus so far (I do think it makes a continuous plot easier to follow) but I really do hope we get more on the others. And I REALLY hope that the girls get actual attention on their backgrounds and characters? Idk, Gorgug and Fabian didn't get as much as Riz either but they got way more than the girls, especially Fig, and I will always be a little annoyed when male characters get more attention in action and/or fantasy stories. This is my biggest issue and the only one that I genuinely think could turn into an "okay no this is where the adaption is bad". Like, I'm gonna assume they either get flashbacks or new moments in the next few chapters (again I only read the free ones so far) but still. Arghfj.

- Kristen coins their party name by telling Daybreak she wants to hang with the Bad Kids. Since they'll all end up in detention eventually I'm sure we'll still get there and I'm not completely opposed to change but that is a pretty iconic line to leave out. I think if they get the name by someone else referring to them as such or if Kristen says it later that still works but y'know.

- I understand that a comic has to spoon feed the reader lore because Brennan can't just do it, lmao, but it does feel slightly out of character for the Riz we know to need explanations on how Agueford operates. Like, he would have done extensive research on it. This is very much an alternate universe/parallel timeline with minor differences situation and in this version Penny's only been missing for a week so he had less time to do research, yeah, but still. I don't think this is an inherent flaw and I do expect these Bad Kids to be slightly different than their counterparts, but yeah that bothered me a little bit.

- Riz's whole deal visually. I both love it because he's so cute and it's working on me exactly as intended and I'm also kinda mad that it's working. And I'm kind of mad at the fact it's a thing. He's a creature, he's a gross little guy. Yes the fanon portrayals of him are way more creature-ish than canon ones, but he is NOT cute even in canon. Look at his freshman year art and then look at this guy, insane difference. I get why they did that. And it works. It works SO well. Penelope's reaction to him suddenly makes perfect sense to me. This makes me so conflicted lmao. I understand that this an alternate version of him and not SUPPOSED to be the exact same but I don't think I'm gonna get over it, which is fine. Doesn't mean I'm not collecting screenshots of cute Riz. He really is squishable.

- Unless I misunderstood Fabian wasn't present when Ragh threw Riz! How will he The Ball him now? It's pretty easy to establish it either way (other people could call him that, especially on the Bloodrush team which Fabian will presumably try out for) but if it ends up not being Fabian that fully establishes Riz as The Ball (because let's be real, regardless of how persistent Ragh is, if Fabian didn't repeatedly call him that it would not have become his thing.) then I genuinely think that takes away from why their dynamic is fun! I am waiting with baited breath

- this is a minor thing but I wish Kristen wore shorts,,,like short overalls,,,,,,I FULLY understand why they didn't put her in tie dye I wouldn't wish repeatedly drawing that upon my worst enemy, and the corn coding IS pretty fun, and they DID keep her awful sandals. But shorts,,,,,my girl needs shorts for her summer camp fit,,,,

I do still find the webtoon enjoyable so far. I think liking adaptations of media you love is actually really hard because it'll almost never do it "right", but you kinda have to distance them from each other and go "okay this is the thing I like but from a different angle and that's okay, and I might be bothered by a lot of changes but that doesn't inherently make it bad". (Extreme example of this for me is death note. As an adaptation of the anime/manga the live action movie sucked ass, if you forget all about that it's a pretty good movie?? Obviously in the case of fantasy high the two are a LOT closer and this isn't a good comparison, but death note has taught me to at least try to view adaptations positively even if my first instinct is to be upset.) Idk, if they're the exact same then what's the point of adapting it.

So far I think it's a competent work, if flawed in some ways; the art is cute and some of the jokes (even the new ones) made me chuckle. The first 3 chapters were nice, I think this can be a fun thing to relive freshman year through and if it brings in even one fan that doesn't wanna watch two hour recordings of people sitting at a table rolling dice (fair) then that's really great! I'm curious to see the rest, but if they continue like this and give the girls their spotlight then I think it'll be pretty cool even if I'll always prefer the original

[genericpuff]

Why is the art so unappealing in lore Olympus now Persephone looks like a highlighter and maybe it’s just me but the proportions like the fingers in arms are soul over the place I don’t think they used to be this bad. Am I just looking at it with nostalgia or am I crazy ?

Honestly, nostalgia does play a huge part in it, even to this day there are times I look back on old S1 panels and go-

Actually here's a great example that literally just happened yesterday in the ULO Discord that nearly had me on the floor LOL This is from Episode 70:

Like I didn't even believe that that was real until I was told what episode it was from and I was just. Astounded and flabbergasted. The over-shading of the blanket that just makes it look like a really bad edit. Insane.

And yeah, there are a lot of old panels that hit different now that the rose-colored glasses have been removed, crushed, and thrown into the trash compactor.

I think that's why it makes it all the more amusing when people come into my inbox and ask me "wait, why did you like LO to begin with?? It's always been ugly as shit, I think you're just romanticizing it" because like... there's something to be said about art and subjectivity, even if something is ugly to one person doesn't mean it isn't beautiful to someone else. It's why I try not to be too mean towards the fans of this comic for still enjoying it, because while I definitely have strong opinions about how "LO has gotten worse" and what kind of following Rachel has cultivated (cough cough), there are also just as equally valid arguments that LO has never begin good to begin with that I can't necessarily disagree with now that I'm looking back on it with a more critical eye.

That said, there's tons of media that I enjoy that is objectively awful. Like y'all, you don't need to take my opinions about a dumb pink x blue fantasy romance comic seriously, I like Starfox Adventures-

Like yeah it's a badly made rushed piece of shit that was developed right on the ass end of Rare's glory days and was really an original IP (Dinosaur Planet) that got Frankenstein'd into a Starfox game so it could "sell better" for Nintendo, but I don't give a fuck, I love Starfox Adventures and some day I wanna be in the top 10 speedrunner leaderboards for it, which I know doesn't mean much because no one is speedrunning Starfox, but I do and no one can take that away from me dammit-

Anyways. Lore Olympus has, in many regards, always had "bad art". But "bad art" can and should still be enjoyed by those who find joy in it.

And in LO's case, the world it existed in when it launched was a lot smaller than it is now - more specifically, the world of Webtoons. We can look back and see how 'bad' LO looks and reads now because there are genuinely way better comics surrounding it. It was unique and refreshing and experimental back then... now it's just "that stupid blue and pink comic for horny teenagers".

In most cases I would consider that "cringing in hindsight" feeling a good thing because normally it means something has grown and that it seeming "bad" in hindsight would mean that it's outgrown itself and moved onto bigger things. But LO has the more unique problem of "its current stuff is shit and it's making us want the old stuff more, even if the old stuff wasn't good either". In that regard, LO is closer to being like Harry Potter. Remember when The Cursed Child came out at the height of Rowling being exposed for being a TERF and even people who liked Harry Potter didn't like The Cursed Child because it was just objectively worse overall (with or without Rowling's bullshit attached)? It made a lot of people go back and re-read / rewatch Harry Potter with a more objective lens and go "wait a minute guys, I think we only adored these books so much because we were 12 when we read them". Often times it's the good memories we have surrounding certain things that make us have the opinion about them that we do.

Of course, LO is definitely not as politically weaponized as Harry Potter is, so that's where that comparison ends. But my point is that LO is definitely in a situation where it's been riding off the same privileges it had back in 2018 - having an 'experimental' art style while also utilizing tropes and characters that were VERY popular at the time (remember that 2017-18 was when Tumblr was at its height of H x P "Hades was a chill accountant guy who wore socks and sandals and didn't cheat on his wife like Zeus did" fantasizing) - and thinks that those same tricks and tropes will still work today.

Because of this, the art in LO really, really hasn't aged well, even the stuff that we look back on fondly. But I think it's the panels that we specifically think of when remembering "old LO" - the ones that stuck in our memories the most - that are the ones that make us miss or just not care about the panels that don't look good (the panels that make people question why we ever liked it to begin with).

We liked it because of how it made us feel to look at panels like these-

Those genuinely wonderful panels that we think back on the most don't exist separately from the bad panels, they exist in spite of them. Even if we can look back on panels like these and pick out problems in the lineart or the proportions or the color travelling outside of the lines, that can't and shouldn't change how those panels made us feel at some point or another. And that's why when people ask me "why were you even into LO in the first place" I don't have any one answer, because I can't fully explain how something made me feel to justify why it's good to someone who can see from the outside - without rose-colored glasses - that it evidently isn't. It's very much a "you had to be there" type of thing.

Unfortunately, nowadays even the 'best' LO panels in S3 still don't come close to what the S1 panels accomplished - because for many of us, the rose-colored glasses are gone, we can't appreciate the good among the bad because we know now how bad it truly is and so the good just feels like wasted attempts at trying to recreate something it can no longer be. It "came back wrong" so to speak.

LO came back just regular. But our journey to resurrecting it changed us to such a degree that even its closest intimacies are now foreign to us. Sorry dude.

This is still probably one of my favorite panels out of the entirety of S3 for being as close to "old LO" as I've seen since S2, and even it feels like a mistake, an accident, how could a panel like this exist in S3 when so much of it is a dumpster fire? It's like a flower growing in the ruins of an apocalyptic wasteland.

But wasn't that always the case? Isn't that 'always' what LO has been, since the very beginning? A poorly cobbled together mess of writing and panels that, every now and then, manages to leave an impression that makes you feel something? Did we ever truly know LO? Or have we just been relying entirely on an idea of it that we've built up in our heads that when it does do exactly what it's evidently always done (even if not made apparent until looking back on it in hindsight) we think it "came back wrong"?

[itsryuworld]

kinda weird it seems that I'm the only person on this tag who actually hates the show 😂 I get it, I know it's beautiful how they show that teenage queer angst and I do love Seungwon and Heesu no matter what, but I've been a webtoon fan for ages and I can't enjoy this show because of that. There are so many changes and things they left out that it feels I'm watching a completly different story.

Maybe I'm just sad that I wanted to see this webtoon on live action because its beautiful but at the end it was so annoying how they managed everything. I didn't wanted a queer show (I love them tho) with a lot of stories and characters. I wanted Heesu in class 2 in a proper BL. They had so little screentime, even when they were together nothing happened. I get why people was upset. I loved how they went deeper and deeper about Heesu and his ownself, really, but it took forever and forever and he barely moved on in episode 7??? So much wasted time in this story.

The webtoon was like 80 chapters but it was perfectly easy to make it fit. Just look 'Secret Relationships' it was very different from the webtoon and it worked so well because they actually cared for the original story. Heesu in Class 2 it is one of my favourites webtoons ever but I'm so dissppointed with this show. They didn't give us the movie date or the chicken date or anything about them falling in love. They fell in love on their own, even when they didn't spend a lot of time together like in webtoon. I don't like it.

I guess I'm just hating on Chanyoung because he's totally different from webtoon, he didn't helped Seungwon at all and everytime he was with Heesu well, everything was about him. I don't know if I'm the only one but seeing this Chanyoung and knowing the webtoon version, why wouldn't you hate him? He's so annoying and I don't like how they made him a shitty friend with no intention to take care of Heesu. Like, he has to apologized for saying Chanyoung's a selfish bastard, really? Everybody acting like Seungwon and Heesu are the problem when they aren't. That's not what I wanted to see. I'm sorry for being like this. I'm not saying its bad cuz is not, but its not what we signed for.

Let's be real. This is a straight k-drama with queer characters and that's all. We have all these straight characters/couples going on, everywhere and stealing the screentime every episode and then, we got so little of Seungwon and Heesu being scared and no talking with each other at all when they did it a lot in webtoon. They become friends very quickly, they hold hands and met eachothers family and sleepover and going together on bus and them talking about their crushes and texing and falling in love and being in love. But, this show is about something else. I don't know what is this about, but not Heesu and Seungwon love story.

So much wasted material. I'm not wating anything else for the finale I guess. Maybe them holding hands after confessing ? Maybe. Not a kiss. Not a lovebirds era. This is the last episode, maybe a lot of angst and nothing until they say it and that's the end. Even if we got some boyfriends time, it will be so little. Not enough. I mean it is a nice show, I truly enjoyed Seungwon and Heesu moments a lot, just because I love them as characters but I don't like the series.

I feel like it was wasting time, expecting more but nothing happened. It's great if you like it, of course, but it was a terrible adaptation. Not a BL, even if they put that label. This isn't a BL. Not a slow burn either. Just two queer boys standing there and doing nothing but wait. It could've been better with a good script even if they wanted to keep the BG couple, but there's a reason why everybody hate it.

This is not what fans wanted.

[phntxm]

love tropes ideas I have in mind (1/2)

Forbidden love with Shigaraki Tomura (& friends to lovers) (gremlin era)

Prohero!y/n who is in love with their childhood best friend, Shimura Tenko. y/n was assigned to work as a spy, become traitor at LOV, and found out that Shigaraki Tomura, the villainous boss, was a childhood friend. Though the feelings never fade away, how can I decide between justice and love when justice must always win out, am I right? although it seems like he's not Shimura Tenko, the on I'm in love with.

Secret identity with Shigaraki Tomura/Shimura Tenko (& enemies to lovers?) (college au)

Colleague!Tomura/Tenko, who likes to be in his own world in class and acts as though he hates everyone, even you. Then, one day, he finds out that his best friend, a gamer who he loves to gab to about his life, is actually his colleague. Maybe he'll give a chance to start making friends in real life, who knows?

Wedding fever with Todoroki Touya/Dabi (fake relationship & runaway brides/ I got inspiration from @theartofsimpatry corpse bride au!)

Bride!y/n and Groom!Touya wasn't fond with the fiance that their parents suggested. Touya don't wanna marry someone for their quirk just like his dad. He met y/n and they both agree to fake their relationship and since he's son of a great hero, who would deny it? The only problem at hand is that it looks like this fraud is true now...

(in gothic setting!!) Bride!y/n don't want to get arranged marriage. she running away from the chaotic wedding ceremony to old abandoned castle which have a legend of the living corpse who'd curses and tortures anyone who get into his castle by burning them, but some say that if he likes them he can fulfill their one desire, yet there comes with a price to pay...

Blackmail with Todoroki Touya (Narcissistic/Nepo Baby/Bully!Touya) (& force relationship/ inspiration from webtoon 'Girl Under Trial')

Colleague!Touya always like to bragging about his superior quirk and his dad. He's full of himself that he has bad reputation and a lot of enemies, yet no one can defeat him. Then it all ends for this man when I find out about his secret. So I decided to make him to be my boyfriend, but how long this secret will be useful?

I have more detailed for some of them I could write it as headcanons but let me know if anyone wants me to write or you can send through the trope you like and we sharing idea about it!

[lej222]

Hi. What's your thoughts on today's chapter of aslfua?

ASLFUA 151 spoilers

Hi! To be honest, I kind of have mixed feelings, and it's by no means criticism towards Soonkki, just my personal opinion.

To clarify, I loved the scenes between Cheol and Miae. They were cute and the academy scenes were also fun.

Now, for the things that made me a little confused - I don't like how Miae feels like walking on eggshells whenever she hangs out with Jisu. There's nothing wrong with being friends with a boy but Cheol is always angry when she mentions him, the academy kids were also not happy, and it just made me sad??? Like Miae has every right to do what she wants and it just feels like she has to hide the fact that she enjoys Jisu's company and I hope this will be addressed because it's not a healthy dynamic.

I was also talking to my Korean friend, and she said some people are tired of Miae being detached from reality too much. And I agree that in the long run this could be a problem but I have hope it will be a plot point - we saw that after Miae's mom watched the news about the importance of creating healthy views on sexuality, Miae had absolutely no idea what it meant. She was telling Cheol how they have to wait to date until high school. Miae is not aware what a romantic relationship means. Now, she even told Cheol she wanted to sleep at his house. That's why I cannot really imagine her dating anyone in the close future, because she's clearly not ready for it. My friend also mentioned how some readers pointed out Miae's blank expression when she insisted on her future together with Cheol and Cheol felt like she was not listening to his words. And to me it also seems like Miae has this dream world and she refuses to step out of it, but isn't that the point of growing up? Like, if she was a real person, I would be worried for her when the time comes she has to experience disappointments in life and she doesn't know how to deal with them. But obviously this is a webtoon so I'm not sure we're supposed to go into such analysis, I would be however pleasantly surprised if all these things were to be addressed.

I also talked to my friend about Jisu's role in the future and we agreed that Jisu might get hurt. Because so far we have a few consistent sideplots - Cheol being afraid of the bullies coming back, Miae being naive and Jisu trying to help Miae. Jisu's attempts to be Miae's "grateful magpie" couldn't come true so far, but one of his goals is definitely to protect Miae. If the bullies target her, he might get into trouble, and I would feel bad for Cheol as well. Btw, I kind of like that all these kids have flaws, it makes the story more interesting, and I think the only problem is that international readers only pay attention to Jisu's.

[lynn-tged-posting]

tged webtoon ep 155 spoilers n thoughts below cut etc u know the drill

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bug when u lift a rock

i love when he has lil soft smileys like this theyre his best look heehee

THIS IS WHAT MY BRAIN WAS MELTING OVER EARLIER TODAY BTW. IM GOING INSANE

THIS HAD ME SHIVERING . TREMBLING LIKE A WET CAT. "when someone really misses another person... they might meet again here." GHH . HGGGGG AAAAAHHH

ok sorry uh. i dont have much insight this time around im just going insane over it,,, a place that represents happy memories and promises to stay together and yet suho has returned here, unable to hold onto both without the ache of loss bc his parents r gone AAAGGHHHG AA

how cruel how cruel how cruel,,, cruel reminders of what he can never return to,,, WHICH MAKES HIM SAYING "i already met my family." SOOO HEARTACHE TO ME

ok sorry im jumping ahead a bit but yeah suho feeling at home as a frontera and moving forward, beyond the memories and the past,,, im gonna THROW UP what the FUCK

ok bouncing back to some sillies this ep LOL

A MAN ON A FUCKING MISSION 😭 LLOYD U MONSTER HAHAA javier being happy that lloyds back to his motivated self tho makes me so happy WEEHEEHEE

ALSO JAVIER IMMEDIATELY BECOMING SOCMED FAMOUS IS SO FUNNY HAHAHAHA honestly the ppl who r taking pics. so real. me too. i can only imagine how insanely pretty javier would b if he was in our world,,, his protagonist-level good looks are dimensional constants .

i am a little bit confused as to why javier said this considering he was so ready to bring lloyd back at all costs when they first got here? mmm maybe his worries were quelled when they were taking the mountain trail to the tower? im not quite sure,,, maybe i missed smth

ALSO HIS FRIEND OMGGG

IM SO GLAD WE GOT TO SEE HIM AGAIN hes working construction now too!!! wahoo!!! hes still got that face tho lol

OH OH AND THE COP CHASE RIGHT

javier folding the clothes is so silly hes such a good lil guy 😭 vs lloyd just leaving them scattered LMAOOO it was nice of them to leave a note n the gold for the cop guys tho!!

i also liked that the cops kept fucking posing thru out the whole ep HAHAHA ive never seen jjba but its like jjba level posing theyre so silly

AND FINALLY YAA THEY GOT ALL THE MATERIALS SECURED

i rlly liked javiers lil "!!" at the bottom here HEHEHE

so so happy they got the stuff!!!! restoration of fate can SUCK AN EGG THEYRE GONNA BEAT IT!!!! hopefully

afaik theres no telling what the jewel of truth is gonna actually say abt fighting fate,,, or whether or not the jewel will give the answer that easily,,, hopefully it goes smoothly lloyd deserves a break atp 😭😭😭

also how r they gonna put the thing together havent they been flying over the ocean w draggy recently . werent the mermaids tryna figure out who was commanding draggy so that they could sic em for opening that portal to hell 😭 WILL THAT B A PROBLEM? (dont actually answer that)

man oh man milestone achieved but still so much to do for these guys,,,, i wanna put them in a box and contain them and let them have a break they deserve it

ok thats it for now,,, if i start brainrotting again ill prolly post abt it here or on twitter,,, see yall next week!!!!

[66sharkteeth]

NUH UH MR./MS./MX.SHARK, YOU GON TAKE THAT BREAK IF YOU NEED IT AND IF PEOPLE LEAVE, WHATEVER SCREW THEM THEYRE MISSING OUT ON A DAMN GOOD WEBTOON! IF YOU NEED TIME, TAKE THAT TIME!

That was probably a little too aggressive sorry-

But what I'm saying is that you need to take breaks, I get burnt out working on small little procreate drawings so I definitely understand how you'd get burnt out making CoB (my now fave webtoon on the platform) I'm also a silent reader so I don't comment and I try to like all the episodes. But still, your mental and physical health should come before your comic, if anything take like a 2 month break, I'd sure as hell wait and most of the other anons would too! Your doing amazing and your comic is great, I just wish I could help you out on patreon but I can't due to underage.

i appreciate the gesture!! unfortunately it's just not that easy... 😭

like trust me, if there were no consequences to breaks, i'd definitely take more and longer ones! but unfortunately there are Very Much Consequences. I only get paid per episode I turn in, so 2 months of not turning episodes is 2 months of no income. But honestly, that's not even my real problem. I have enough saved up to survive a month or two of no real income. The real issue is reader retention.

I know every time talks of breaks come up, creators get tons of encouraging messages promising that they'll stick around or that their "true fans" won't drop it, but unfortunately, the people that applies to is only really a very small percent of our readership. :( The sad fact is, every time we take a break more than like...a week, it does a huge hit to our numbers and performance, and that directly correlates to our income, eligibility for raises, and sometimes even renewing our contracts.

So while I assure you every creator, including myself, couldn't be more grateful for readers like you who stick around no matter how long the break is, the sad fact is, 90% of our audience are very casual, not even seeing posts like this, and very likely to just forget or drop our comics during an extended break. We know you loyal readers will stick around and we love you for that, but unfortunately, we really rely heavily on that much more casual majority that is way less avid.

[nitholites]

Chloé Bourgeois/Cassandra Cain (possible/Stephanie Brown), anyone?

basically, i got to thinking. it's been years since i've watched anything mlb, and i can't claim to be super knowledgeable about dc, but.

Cass deserves more love. so here we are

Important notes: i'm takin chloé away from canon post 'miracle queen' but pre 'throw all possible character development out the window'. i'm also letting her have her dang character redemption arc because goddamn it she was 13 at the start of the show. she isn't evil; she's young, sheltered, and struggling with a lot of parental issues. i don't know shit about anything past, like... the season of chat blanc, and nor do i care to know! canon's a washed out blueprint, but in the end it's just a piece of paper i'm gonna doodle all over anyway so may as well make it my own

as for Cass (and any other dc character imma poke at); i'm doin my best, but i'm very new to dc and its timelines are messes anyway. so im basically taking the webtoon batman: wayne family adventures as canon (for characterizations and interpersonal relationships) and giving it the mlb treatment because It's My Story And I Can Do What I Want, Mom

Have a problem with all that? Write your own fic! Then you can decide what interpretations of these characters you use! (And i get to consume more for this idea-)

For example! A great prompt (in my head) would be to take post-canon chloé (her working with hawkmoth and all), have her move to gotham for school/to get away from paris/whatever, and let her try to have her redemption arc there of all places. (Or that's just where she went because she's in a downward spiral and thinks along the lines of 'well, if im already evil might as well go to the crime capital of the world, right?) Or! Have cass be in paris! Pre or post joining the batfam; you could have hawkmoth be kickin years after canon starts

We're talkin about chloé goin to gotham today tho. What specifically she's doing is up for the writer to decide- if she's goin the fashion route, if she's starting from scratch, if she's planning on just visiting, whatever. Point is: she's in gotham long enough to have a story

Now, chloé isn't actually evil- no matter what her mental image of herself is. And in this story, she's actively trying to do better; to be a better person. She's still snarky and blunt and has high standards, ofc, but she's trying and she is doing better day by day. She falls back on old habits and defense mechanisms sometimes (especially when facing gotham's rogues, which probably happens fairly often considering who she is and the amount of money in her bank accounts) and she definitely isn't a saint or endlessly kind/patient(/good) like marinette is, but don't actions speak louder than words anyway?

For some people, they do!

Enter: one cassandra cain. Who knows real evil when she sees it. Who can see the struggle and improvement of another person so clearly they may as well have shout it from the rooftops. Who can see the emotions as clearly as she can see gargoyles in gotham, and who had her own sort of redemption arc/gear-shift into being on the other side of the hero/villain debacle

Few people in the world can so clearly see or know another person, and cass is very good at what she does.

So what cass sees isn't a selfish, spoiled, bully. No; she sees the guilt that gnaws away at chloe and shuts her mouth when she's about to really snap at someone (until they push more and she can't stop the words but she can take the full brunt of their anger). Cass can see the hesitation that comes when chloe has the opportunity to do something small but kind (like hold open a door or help someone pick up something) and the brief (but strong) flash of why can't i do better why do i hesitate why is this so hard that comes when chloe just isn't fast enough to go through with it before the chance is over

Cass can see chloe's intent and the constant battle she wages with herself between doing the right thing and falling back into the easy, (comforting, even if it's only for a moment and the pang of regret she has after, she can only shove onto the mountain of her fuck-ups) familiar, knee-jerk actions and reactions and thoughts. And yknow what?

Cass was like that once, too. Because she still brandishes a knife first when she's truly startled. Because her mind still whispers when she's got an opponent down, telling her exactly how easy it'd be to make sure they never get back up. Because change is a process, and cass has seen both ups and downs in both herself, her family, and even some of the rogues and criminals she sees on a semi-regular basis. And it's so much harder when you have to do it alone. And a vigilante's job is to help people, first and foremost. And cass hasn't been able to do that in all the ways she wants to yet

Cass usually doesn't interact with civilians when she doesn't have to. She doesn't speak often and sign isn't as widely taught as it should be. But cass can see chloe's strong-willed, determined nature. And yknow what?

It reminds her a lot of steph. Chloé's a 'they asked for no pickles' friend without someone to stand in front of. Cass doesn't mind pickles, but she'd be more than happy to let someone else stand up for her from time to time. It's a win-win in her book; chloe gets a clearer path to 'goodness', and cass gets practice at helping people! (It doesn't matter that it's outside the mask. It's helping, and she can do it no matter what name she's using)

Chloé can't help but see a younger, meeker marinette in cass at first. Though she's lost in how to be good in most ways, all she has to do to be better here is to treat this shy girl the opposite of how she treated marinette. Not easy- not really- but at least she knows she's on the right track every day this cass doesn't cry or get that same broken expression marinette sometimes got when they were kids

(... she's entirely unprepared for Cass to break a molester's wrist a couple of months later. Maybe cass doesn't need chloe, but cass seems happy to let chloe stay, so she will)

(God help everyone else when chloe and steph finally meet.)

[kiingfluffybuns]

in another episode of Burns talking about TGED without reading the novel and only focusing on the webtoon as source material

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Can we talk for a moment about Kim Suho and his Best Friend whose name I do not know (if it was mentioned before, pls lemme know)??

Now, I tend to focus a lot on the imagery of the narrative, like I mentioned before, since in the webtoon we do not have literal text to describe actual scenes, it has pushed to take its liberties on how it develops.

We have seen it on the mayor differences between N!Javier and W!Javier. (I was told.)

With that being said, my current theory in the matter is that Kim Suho is NOT a reliable narrator.

What do I mean with that?

SPOILERS,

(I will not post screenshots bc of spoilers)

In today's CH, we begin with a flashback of Kim Suho meeting w his rich Best Friend who he invites to the bath-house.

Now, Suho mentioned before on a previous flashback that his Best Friend invites him to eat out a lot just for the mere satisfaction of showing off his money. And while it's absolutely hilarious to think so, I do believe it wasn't the case.

In this new memory, Best Friend offers him the service for free, shaking Suho a lot, he questions him and the replies he gets are pretty simple, 'my mom owns the place', 'I'm helping her today', but all of that while he's making a very wicked smile.

This gave me the realization that all of this sequence is strictly within Suho's POV, which we can interpret the whole interaction was actually twisted to fit his narrative.

There's a high chance that Best Friend is doing all of these things out of real kindness and bc he does care for Suho.

But bc he refuses to believe ppl does things out of nowhere (like himself), he is convinced that he's being mocked.

For Suho, it has to be that way, he can only receive any kind of help as long as there's a 'catch', just the same way he gives help.

It also makes him upset to understand that his Best Friend knows his schedule well enough to show up at the proper time to ask him to hang out. Which in retrospect, is not that weird.

With time we all get to know when friends/family get off and on to work. It's not rocket science. But bc Suho is not making that same effort for his Best Friend, he assumes that that's the norm.

Why is he doing all of these things? Why does he know when he's free? How does he know he needs to relax?

Bc those are normal things to know of ppl one's close to.

But for Suho, he doesn't take that as relevant to give effort to. So much that he doesn't understand the simpler answers to those questions because he, himself, wouldn't answer them normally. They have to be negative.

Now, this made me believe that he's not being properly truthful with these memories, since he's convinced that all of these 'kind' actions were made w the idea of being mocked by.

After all, regardless of what was the memory, it's extremely normal that ppl will retell a story to fit their narrative.

In this case, that Best Friend just wanted to be entertained with Suho's struggles.

Now, this doesn't seems to happen when it comes to Javier, and the answer I came up for that might be a bit painful. Unconsciously, Suho probably still sees Javier as a fictional character and not a real person. So to give him effort doesn't seems wasteful since he's not 'real'

After all, this story falls into the same gender as Isekai, 'escapism'. So Suho wouldn't have a problem to blend and care for the new ppl around him bc they are not real. They are part of his escapism. Ofc I'm sure that is changing bc he's now seeing the family and home as his. It's just matter of time when he understands that he's actually building proper interpersonal relationships.

That's all I have for now, good night.

ps, if you don't agree, just block me and move on LMFAO.

[alloveydovey]

Mid month dramaaaas, 2024 is giving quality content 🙌🏽

Lovely Runner, 2024 (kdrama) 8.5

FL is a fangirl who goes back in time to save her idol who ended his own life. (very shortly put lol)

I have thoughts!!! It's gonna be long because my expectations with this one were really high. Don't torch me please lol. If I have to be 100%, this drama wasn't what I expected at all. That being said, loser boy Byeon Woo Seok and cutie patootie Kim Hye Yoon were the real deal here. I came for the premise (okay, and because Byeon Wook Seok is fiiiiine) and stayed because of them.

Here's my deal with Lovely Runner. I didn’t read the webtoon or anything, so in my mind, I assumed they would explore what took Sun Jae to make such a decision in the first episode before Sol went back in time to try and fix everything. The drama starts pretty heavy with both main characters attempting in some way to take their own lives. So to go from that to absurd comedy was a bit extreme for me at first. I thought we would do a little mental health introspection here, a bit of commentary about being an idol and all. Then because the first episodes also focused a lot on Sun Jae's dream to be a professional swimmer and the doomed reality that it would not happen, I thought they would center around that as well. I guess I was picturing some sort of mix between 2521 and Twinkling Watermelon. Plus the whole aspect of Im Sol being disabled. But they didn’t really give any more thoughts to these aspects of the characters.

Moving on from my own expectations and a little disappointment that the drama headed in a different direction, I overall enjoyed watching most of it. To be honest, this is the type of drama you just have to go with it, no heavy thoughts included. It gives major classic rom-com kdrama vibes. The cast absolutely takes the cake, the adorable moments are overflowing, comedy hits and the OST is a 10/10.

I don’t mind time travel plot holes but there are still some thing that bugged me, though. One: The whole taxi guy story. I will admit I was extremely disappointed the moment he was introduced. It’s probably when I started lowering my rating. Why do writers (or webtoon authors) feel the need to just randomly pull out these guys? And this drama being so cute and funny... It didn’t need that at all. Specially, since he seemed really poorly written. Two: I might not get over the fact that these two characters both start in really dark places but it’s never really acknowledged in any meaningful way and instead the drama just does a 180° on that. If these subjects hadn’t been introduced then it would have been fine. But in comparison with what happens next, the rest of the drama felt a little superficial to me. Three: it ended up becoming really repetitive. Sol once again ignoring Sun Jae “for his own good”, Sun Jae going after Sol because he doesn’t really care, Sol ending up crying. All this mixed between cute and silly scenes.

Happy ending did make me the happiest, though 🥹

Will Love in Spring, 2024 (cdrama) 9

When they were kids and FL became disabled due to a car accident, ML’s words made her change her whole perspective. He goes on to become the town's mortician, and she becomes a successful saleswoman in the city. And you know the rest, sparks fly when they meet again.

Oof. Cdramas aren’t supposed to be this good, bro. Like… everything about it is just a chef kiss. Characters and their complexities, OST, cinematography, chemistry!! (It's crazy, for real) It presents the same problem as Meet Yourself, even with Li Xian back as the ML. But whereas Meet Yourself is a little lighter and deals with this problem in a respectful and thoughtful way, ML and FL here are filled with angst and tension. The drama itself is a lot heavier, which is not bad, but it's not always nice, and sometimes very frustrating. I saw comments saying that they found the characters to be rather toxic, and that is such a childish way of seeing their relationship. Not everything is red and green flags. This is not that type of drama. People throw the word toxic around everything nowadays. I’d say they were realistic. Both FL and ML make mistakes (because they both have issues) and the drama makes sure the audience knows they were wrong. Because, you know, humans fuck up and stuff. I liked that. But because I can't help but compare it to Meet Yourself, I gotta admit that even though I liked the pace, the OST, and the cinematography more here. MY remains superior, and therefore, I don't feel like I can give it a proper 10. I will say, though, last two episodes gave a bit ot a bittersweet ending even though it's supposed to be a happy one, and I didn't like that much.

Queen of Tears, 2024 (kdrama) 8.5/9

A lawyer from the countryside marries the top heiress of a leading conglomerate. They marry very much in love, but find themselves almost not communicating or holding much feelings for one another three years later.

I completely get why this got everyone hooked. Overall it’s a great story, and very well produced, but at the same time I gotta admit I was hoping for something a little more… exciting. Specially because it was written by the same screenwriter that did Crash Landing on You and The Legend of the Blue Sea and those two were a 10 for me. It might also be personal taste. Some people are into chaebol family dramas that focus on business with their villains cartoonishly evil. Me, personally, I get a bit bored and this is sort of what happened. Even though Kim Ji Won and Kim Soo Hyun got me hooked with their marriage story and the romance of it all, the rest was a bit 💤. Although both families living together was really cute and I loved those scenes. I’d say that’s where the magic of this drama was. The last episodes after her memory gets erased are a bit messy, but the ending still made me sob dramatically lol.

A Good Day to be a Dog, 2023 (kdrama) 7.5/8 (girl what are you doing still here?)

Because of a family curse if FL kisses someone she turns into a dog at midnight… which she does after accidentally kissing a fellow teacher. She can only break the curse if he kisses her again in dog form. The only problem is he’s scared of dogs and doesn’t seem to like her that much.

This is the first time I put on hold a drama and actually go back to finish it lol. I’m proud. This starts off very very cute. Cha Eun Woo but specially Park Gyu Young are really funny and both have great chemistry. The problem here for me is, once again, the past life storyline. I know this is based off a webtoon, but I swear that whole thing is what ruined it for me. I wasn’t into it at all and so the last 4/5 episodes I spent them skipping scenes. Howeveeer, if someone were to ask me if they should watch, I’d say yes. Because romance wins lol.

[atinydetective]

The Journey of the Zero Point

Hi, if we got the message in our dreams and then catched the little goat

now we are ready to search for the star, our dreams.

Just like us, also ATEEZ will be following their dreams in this journey,

which I will be your guide as Atiny Detective.  

Story of Fever may be a treasure or a problem to be solved. 

 But all this Fever Series does is basically to explain the prologue of Treasure Series.

 Maybe the treasure they mention here is the fever, but who knows what will be the answer?

So what is this fever they have been indicating that has special meaning? 

In this journey for Answer, our story begins with the Dear Diary-Diary Film and Fever Part 1 album’s individual diaries.

And don't forget the webtoon photocards released during their comeback period.

These four sources are connected.

From the webtoon card and his diaries, we learn that the owner of the diary is Yeosang.

He had been living under the control of his parents, particularly his father.

 This character may become important in the future, as the story doesn't typically mention ordinary people.

For example, the little girl who voices Yeosang's diary.

We see this girl in the FEVER Performance's VCR, where she holds a shiny item.  

As for the other members, 

We have Seonghwa, who used to be overwhelmed by his responsibilities until the girl who dances freely appeared and literally saved him.

 It was a moment when everything around him seemed frozen, yet it was an enlightenment for Seonghwa.

The bracelet she left behind, with the words 'be free' engraved on it, served as tangible proof that it was real.

After moving from one place to another, San couldn't adapt to his new life which will soon have to change again.

However, the place where he is now is the only time he has been able to make friends and even share a dream with them.

 But if he stands still and does not make a move, all the moments he has shared with his new friends will become part of his past. 

Yunho blames himself for his brother’s accident where he felt into a long hibernation.

So he wants to take his brother’s dream as if it’s a legacy from his brother.

 Maybe a dream where he  will feel as if the brother is still with him. Cause he doesn’t know what to do if he vanishes. 

This is a critical choice of words because Wooyoung wants to take the easy way.

It's important to keep that in mind—the easy way.

Perhaps this is what he would choose if he lost control due to the panic of performing in front of the crowd.

And poor Mingi couldn’t believe that he deserves to have dreams.

But Jongho was put in a case where he had to leave his dream behind.

Due to the injury on his leg, he had to let go of his dreams.This situation, unlike Mingi, wasn't a matter of choice. 

And their shared dream, making music was an answer, a chance for Hongjoong to be noticed by his family.

To shine enough to be seen by them. 

One day, the individual problems of these children came to light, and even though it wasn’t enough

the owner of the old factory, where they made music, threw them out.

 It was Yeosang’s father—who, of course, is supposed to be unimportant.

 Seeing his only child dance and sing with his friends was a huge shock for him. 

It explains why we see ATEEZ as unidentified in this photo. They yet have an identity.

 They don’t know who or what form to be. It was an intro for this series. 

Because  the fever inside them awakes here, their passion.  

Every member including Yeosang went back to the old factory, even if they had to run away from their past. 

Just like the world Yeosang once lived in, where the stars didn’t shine, this world would be colorless for these kids  if they stopped making music .

 We can hear their excitement after members back to old factory in the “Fever” 

Before jumping into the chaotic action part, let me point out some small details that have a big impact on the story. 

Hongjoong keeps staying in the old factory even though members are their own individuals.

 But some time later someone who wears black Fedora starts to visit Hongjoong in his dreams.

Who has same appearance with Hongjoong. 

 This person coincidentally right before members go back to the old factory after falling apart, he brings an item called Cromer.

Which started to shine right after members back. 

This item turns the impossible into reality.

 With it, you can travel between World A and World Z, crossing the dimensions of this world.

There are only two of these items in existence for now, but who knows—more may appear as time unfolds. 

When the man dressed in black enters this dimension with Cromer, strange radio signals emerge, and gravity anomalies appear. 

I believe many people know that the video playing on the TV in Seonghwa's sequence is *Say My Name*, which is actually about future events in the lore.

 Since the *Fever* series is a prologue. But still how are we able to see the future? 

After Wooyoung discovers that the factory is closed, he chooses the path where the lamp is off. Perhaps the dark side is the “Easy Way.”  

Mingi has a radio that can tune into any frequency if it's set correctly.

 We see Yeosang in a school, as if he doesn’t want to be there.

His uniform also features a hexagon, the symbol of Kronos, the god of time. 

Yunho’s diary bears a title that echoes words from Yeosang's Diary, while butterfly motifs adorn the walls of his brother’s studio—perhaps hinting at a connection yet to be revealed. 

Considering that Ateez appears to be preparing for war in *Thanxx* and experiences a "Dream Within a Dream" in the next song, the progression of their story becomes intriguing

In the following album, they seem to create war plans and in the same album they seek help from someone in *Take Me Home*.

 However, Ateez's songs are not released in chronological order of their storyline, adding a layer of complexity to their narrative. 

A portion of the story is revealed through the diaries published alongside the albums.

Much like the storyteller featured in the *Treasure* albums, the *Fever* series unfolds through the members' personal diary entries. 

Fever's Diary:

“The Cromer in my hand flashed, but I was still in the safe house. The members who were looking at me were the same too. Hearing about the various dimenisions from the man in black fedora and seeing cromer in my hand all seemed like an unbeliveable dream.

Right then, an unknown voice came from outside. As the sound neared, giants dressed in white suddenly appeared, breaking the hideou door. They were wearing masks that covered their entire face and did not feel like people. They were looking at the cromer.

So then, in the world where Ateez teleported after the shimmer, these white-clad giants were chasing the man in black who gave the cromer to Hongjoong. This world they arrived in is just another dimension of the same world they used to live in, even though it’s referred to as World Z.

It did not matter where this place was or whether this place was really located in this dimension. What matter was that those dangerous white-clad giants were out for the cromer in their possession and that they could not go back if they lose it. Hongjoong had to protect the cromer and the members at the same time.

“I’ll give you the Cromer” Hongjoong shouted. But Hongjoong grabbed a broken shard of glass and started running away. This was an opportunity for the members to escape.

The place around the hideour was very similar to where they used to stay. If San had not faced the strange creatures, he wouldn’t have belived all the tales about the different dimensions and the cromer.

Fortunately, the members managed to escape the hideout safely, and thanks to their familiarity with the surroundings, they were able to find their way halfway down in the dark.

The members, who had been taking a break for a while were playing with each other, relieved that the Cromer was safe.

But after a while, the white-clad giants, deceived by the glass fragment, attacked us again while we were resting in the middle of the forest. In the confusion that followed, they managed to snatch the cromer from Wooyoung’s hands, which led to him injuring his ankle. After this turmoil,the child who save Wooyoung was a girl reminiscent of moonlight. The girl willing invited us to her house. Exhausted from constantly running from the giants, we fell asleep immediately. As we slept the girl treeated my injured ankle says Wooyoung.

The girl had a brother. The boy said she could not speak because tyhe white-clad giants took away the girl’s voice. They introduced themselves as the “Grimes siblings.”

“One day, they suddenly disappeared.”

They were talking about them, man in black suit and fedoras.

On World Z, Strictland, the newly appointed leader, was convinced that the only way to eliminate wars on this world was by erasing human emotions entirely. To him, emotions were nothing more than a disease.

People by the yellow gas in the Atmospher of this world become emotionless. Emotions become part of the past ,’till Black Fedroas start to sing and perform to awake people from this hypnosis. which led people awake and join the group called Black Pirates. But one day, they suddenly disappeard.

Even so how could the one Black Fedora members give the cromer to Hongjoong, if they really disappear? Did they back just to give cromer? Or maybe they didn’t really dissappear but they had other plans?

“To my beloved father.

Father, I’m walking towards the “Strictland” from which I may not be able to return. Now that I’m walking o a bumpy road after always having walked on a beautiful and straight road, my feet are throbbing. However, although my feet are sore, I still feel good.

Everyone says this is a new world but somehow I’m familiar with the scenery here.

It didn’t feel like I was looking at a new world. Instead it felt like I was looking through a microscope at the world I had been living in.

Father, I know you were shocked to see me singing and dancing with these friends. But I really wanted to escape the world I’ve lived in, I’ve been trapped in.

When we were kicked out of the garage that we had been using as our hideout and had to be seperated, what was more painfull to me was that my father was the one who drove us out.

As a result I became the person who took hapiness away from the friends who have willingly invited me to their world.

Father, I will not return to the world you have created.

Your son, Yeosang.”

Could it be that the world Yeosang used to live was a world that stars in the shine?

So the one who created the world, Yeosang’s father is really an important person?

To back to their dimension Ateez had to find the cromer. But to find the cromer, they had no choice but to go to the Android Guardians’s bunker, but the only person who knew the bunker was Leftr Eye, the manager of the Strictland dump. So they had no choice but to go to this place.

Wheter or not, they need to find a way to convice him to help. Also little girl’s voice can be kept there.

In the cave that they started searching for the voice of the girl, but what kind of shape does a voice have?

Grimes brother said that it looked like a bead with a blue condencsed energy inside.It has to be cause of the gas there, Jongho slowly satrted to halucinate his past.

Originaly Left Eye was a normal person who lost his daughter in an accident. But after this accident he slowly starts to lose his mind and turned into someone grumpy.

While wandering around without conciousness, Android Guardians found him and signed him as the manager of this world.

This whole situation was too similar for Yunho who also lost his precious brother. But he didin’t lose his mind if he is still alive somewhere, not live Left Eye who still belives that his daughter is alive in this illusion. They needed to awake him from this hypnosis.

Maybe these hypnosis dreams was only place these people could be happy, this applies for Jongho too.

He had to be cautious because in reality he was about to fall from a cliff. Of course if Yeosang was not there.

On the other hand, rest of the members could succesfully awake this lost from his illusion.

They had to waste no time and head to the secret gallery where the cromer was hidden—on an island in the middle of the sea. Upon arriving at the island, the group decided to search for the cromer in smaller teams and split up.

There they were—the Black Fedoras, trapped in glass prisons. Among them, only the one who resembled Hongjoong was still standing, and he had something to say:

“Finaly, you are here. Listen, we called you here. We were captured here but somebody has to do our work.”

It was the one Black Fedora who gave cromer to Hongjoong just few days or even few hours ago. This is a bit suspicious.

The members had practically taken the place of the Black Fedoras, suddenly finding themselves dressed in black suits and masks. Meanwhile, the others arrived at the center where the happy memories of humans were collected. But then, in a moment Yeosang disappeared.

As Seonghwa was telling the group that he couldn’t find Yeosang, voices began echoing from somewhere nearby. Yeosang had found the cromer—but the androids had found him too. To help the others escape, Yeosang hurled the cromer toward ATEEZ, but before he could reach them, the group vanished in a flash of light.

 We have, 5, 6 ,7 and plus a drone. One of Yeosang’s butterfly-shaped drone, which we’ve seen before, was waiting at the entrance of the  old factory, ready to guide them through Strictland.

 The only task left for ATEEZ was to recover the broken cromer. 

The drone seemed to lead them as if Yeosang knew Strictland like the back of his hand.

 Interestingly, we also catch a glimpse of this drone in the *Deja Vu* music video.

From now on we have three music videos and one performance, showcasing what Ateez does after discovering that Yeosang is still alive. 

First thing first, Ateez’s priority is finding a new cromer to change dimension.

 According to Black Fedora’s each dimension has their own cromer.  

 The cromer given to Hongjoong belonged to the Black Fedoras, but now ATEEZ must find the cromer of their own world. 

This event is mentioned in the diary we see continuing throughout the music videos:

“ATEEZ found and retrieved a cromer in a Maya museum,” just as it was represented in their *Rhythm Ta* performance. 

But in music videos it presented bit different.. 

-Deja Vu 

-Pirate King  

-And Thanxx 

In the song *Deja Vu*, we see ATEEZ in a rush, preparing for something significant.

In the factory where they make music, we catch glimpses of cars that might symbolize a part of their dreams.

These same cars were used in the *Thanxx* music video, which suggests that these two songs are connected sequentially. 

[Behind Mingi]

The lyrics and the rest of the *Deja Vu* music video reflect their urgency and frustration as they prepare to return to Strictland—a place they never wanted to revisit—in an effort to rescue Yeosang.

The presence of the drone sent by Yeosang, showed as a blue butterfly, is particularly intriguing.

This detail draws attention, especially since we’ve previously seen someone else with an interest in butterflies.

 Perhaps there’s a deeper reason behind this connection.  

One notable moment in the video is when the members are scanned as if passing through security.

Among them, only Yeosang, Yunho, and Hongjoong are recognized. This detail becomes even more fascinating when we consider that they’re preparing to enter Strictland.

Yunho’s remark about Hongjoong resembling his older brother, both mentally and physically, adds another layer of mystery—even Yunho himself seems surprised by this resemblance. 

“The moment we met each other's eyes"     But who exactly is Ateez saying this to?

 It's not Black Fedora; rather, it's someone who whispers to them.

This voice rises from the depths of their hearts, almost as if it's a part of them. 

In this story where even Bside songs have importance, they call themselves as Vampires in "Twilight."

It also explains why and how Ateez can smell and dedicate the red smell.

Just like how they became vampires for the Deja Vu Halloween version, these sound inside them turns them into vampires.

For now I will call them as “Halateez” but their real identity is still hidden behind the fog. 

The key point is to distinguish them from Black Fedoras. 

The member closest to surrendering control to Halateez, the manifestation of ATEEZ’s darker side, seems to be Wooyoung.

Like a vampire, he bites San. Much like Narcissus, who succumbed to his ego and transformed into a daffodil, Wooyoung is often depicted with a flower resembling a daffodil by his side.

These flowers can also be spotted in the *Desire* performance.

Perhaps Halateez represents an easier path—a temptation too powerful to resist, an easy way.  

In the song, we see ATEEZ gradually losing control, overtaken by their anger.

This conflict culminates in the appearance of blue and red lights, marking the song’s end. However, the blue light won’t appear again for some time. 

While ATEEZ struggles with this inner conflict in their own dimension, Yeosang waits in Strictland, trapped within energy capsules, hoping for a light to rescue him. 

Also the next song in the order is Pirate King where Halateez gain much more power and control over Ateez- that we hear the new cromer’s sound- we can spot Yeosang being prisioned again.

Just like the location Strictland placed, here we are again in a desert, where the all game started. The game they begin to play in Deja Vu is a game between black and white, like chess.  

Still, even most of the time we belive that the white side is good and other is bad, there is no side in this conflict. White side is Z and Strictland’s Guardiands and Black is dancing pirates.

The lyrics of the song may still be shrouded in mystery, or perhaps they reveal the true identity of the Black Fedoras.

Could the Black Fedoras be ATEEZ from the future, or perhaps the true inhabitants of Utopia?

But at that moment there were much more interesting thing been happinging on there side, their new friend, their new companion: “You and I, will you be my friends? 

 They are the electronic vocal in songs, Halateez.

 At the times like where Ateez lose control of their emotions these vocals gain more power, become much louder, they become more than just whispers.

Halateez who is originally Ateez’s instincts are another Ateez that can only be seen by them. Only Ateez can hear and see them. 

Throughout the *Pirate King* music video, we see subtle glitches on screen—visuals that might be called fractures or breaks.

A similar situation appears in *Fever*, where ATEEZ has no  identity in the photo. 

In the section where Hongjoong conveys Halateez’s thoughts, the background actually reveals the sound of the key we’ve been searching for.

Now, we can turn it and shift into Yeosang’s dimension.  

Right at this moment, we witness how Wooyoung gradually loses control.

The next song, Thanxx is just about how they prepared and switch dimensions in general.

 They are in a school like building but it seem like that Ateez doesn’t want to be here, these all told them here is nothing useful but nonsense.

They straight forward go to Strictland with no identity. 

 This era, which covers ATEEZ's first rebellion—when they burned the tree connected to the Black Fedoras—and the events that followed,

is highlighted through an important teaser and two shows released during this period: *FEVER ROAD* and the *Unicon Stage*. 

Both of these shows reveal information related to the moon. While the *Unicon Stage* provides general insights, its most significant point connects back to the *Treasure* series.

The key takeaways from *FEVER ROAD* are as follows: 

- Hongjoong’s segment, is titled *Hongjoong’s Time.* 

- Yunho remarks on how Hongjoong bears a striking resemblance to his older brother.

- We see two sides of Wooyoung, mirroring the light and darkness he chooses in the program—one side bright, the other dark. 

-Wooyoung is also kidnapped by Halateez during the show, further deepening the tension.

When the show about the have a final, we learn the truth about the lunar cycle’s true meaning which we saw on a bed in Unicon.

If Moon is on the crescent phase, we receive message from dreams, and if it’s on the full moon phase, dimension gates are now open.

They also approve that this door is the Door of Truth in another show. 

“Stars in the sky could not be seen, because people never raised their head.”

In this teaser, when they return to Strictland, it doesn’t quite align with the current state of ATEEZ. No, they’re still not powerful enough yet. 

Even Black Fedoras watch Ateez from one steps behind, now they can’t understand what’s the purpose of their movement.

Ateez' been spreading their anger to surroundings like a boiling lava flame.

Their original purpose was saving Yeosang. They could have saved him quietly and leave this dystopian world behind.

But it didn’t gone according to the plan they made back then in Deja Vu. They lost control. 

Things hadn’t gone as planned. Fortunately, someone had given Seonghwa a separate mission and reached out to him.

This person was the one standing farthest away from everyone else in the released black-and-white photos.

With Wooyoung lighting the first fire, the flames within ATEEZ were now burning fully. The first rebellion had begun. 

Eventually, Yunho, Yeosang, and Hongjoong were joined by the rest of the members, who only able to step outside before the rebellion.

 However, it didn’t take long for them to return to their bunker.

But amidst such a chaotic album, why do songs like Time of Love or Take Me Home included here? 

Explanation lays inside the presentation they made during the Salary Lupin show while they explain their next comeback.

While Yunho and Wooyung’s presentation in office meeting, there is a girl who holds a fireworks.

 They passed this subject as if she is not a important character but she is the love we call in Time of Love and also in Take Me Home.

In addition here is the page that Wooyoung introduce very important. But because it was a spoiler they cut it out.

Maybe in future there will be a child character in story, other than siblings. 

Also as the Take Me Home indicates, Ateez slowly begin to adapt this world, after failed rebellion.

They also stucked this emotionless world like the other people. Neither somebody could hear them nor help them. 

Only thing they could do was waiting in the darkness in this blocked in every way dimension.

They could not leave here because the only cromer was in Hongjoong’s hands who has his own mission. He has to go to the future and create and alternative universe. 

“This is the stoy where their dimensions are split into 8 pieces again.” 8 different alternative universes. 

For this very reason, Seonghwa had to save Yeosang from that prison he saw on the tv screen. Otherwise, it would be too late.

THE WAVES WOULD SWALLOW THEM WHOLE... 

So, what is happening during the Halateez era that began with Inception?

In this song, where Yeosang awakens as Yunho, ATEEZ is searching for someone—a girl. But they aren’t searching in a conventional way.

They are trying to find her by her scent within a dream. This means that no matter how hard they try, these dreams, where they search for her—the treasure—will evolve into something else.

And the cause of this change will be the whispers. For now, I’ll call the treasure they seek in their dreams “Atiny,” so this important person is never forgotten in the past.

While all the members are trapped in time, Yeosang is the only one who can still move freely in this world.

When San, influenced by his ego and the “other side,” fell asleep, Yeosang was the only one to notice and observe what was happening. 

Thus, ATEEZ entered a dream within dreams—an illusion where the sun never sets.

 This was because they believed the only person who could help them was the voice within.

The one who managed to escape this never-ending dream was Seonghwa, and he had to be a light for Yeosang. He needed to save him from this dark, foggy room. 

After experiencing the illusion of HALATEEZ, which they had once seen as their treasure, ATEEZ thought they had reached the end of the road.

There was no one left. The Black Pirates, the Black Fedoras, Atiny—even Hongjoong and Seonghwa—hadn’t returned yet. 

The only thing ATEEZ now know for sure was that they could no longer trust Halateez. They couldn’t be a treasure.

They were the inner voices, the alter egos that wanted to take over everything and block ATEEZ’s journey.

The reason they resembled the Black Fedoras became clear at that moment—when they had taken over the Black Fedoras’ mission at the Android Guardians’ Bunker when they dressed in black suits and wearing masks, Halateez had revealed their true form

They didn’t actually need to wear masks. They were merely the voices in ATEEZ’s minds.

However, as ATEEZ came closer to succeeding, the greed of their alter egos began to transform their(Black Fedora's) appearances.

Soon, we’ll see them wearing pearl necklaces. Alongside the electronic vocals in the songs, this will serve as another clue.

These fiery and rebellious alter egos, as sharp as jalapeño peppers, were deeply rooted in ATEEZ’s hearts.

And now, they needed to return there once again. 

The Black Fedoras, after Ateez realized the true nature of the alter egos and thinking they had finally learned their lesson, come to save them.

They bring them back to the school they tried to escape in Thanxx—a place they had once fled from.

The Black Fedoras teach them about the realities of this world and the importance of humility. They explain what ATEEZ needs to do on their treasure-seeking journey,

 giving them a renewed sense of identity. 

We can see the unification of the Black Fedoras in the Say My Name music video.

According to Hongjoong during filming, the fur-wearing ATEEZ represents the Strong Ateez.

These accessories also appeared in the teaser for Fever Part 2.

The director mentions that the maskless Black Fedoras represent ATEEZ’s alter egos, similar to Yeosang’s declaration:

In the video for Say My Name, we also witness who assigns Seonghwa the mission to save Yeosang.

The recurring motif of watching eyes—often depicted in the videos or performances—symbolizes entities stronger than ATEEZ monitoring their well-being.

Here, we see the Black Fedora observing how Seonghwa carries out his mission. 

Likewise, Hongjoong, returning with the cromer from the future, walks through the same corridor we saw in Inception. Perhaps the cromer is the key to these doors.

With Yeosang escaping the energy capsules, everyone is now ready for the new journey—except one.

As we saw in Hala Hala and Say My Name, Wooyoung is left behind.

Wooyoung still believes he is holding someone’s hand, unable to awaken from the illusion. He believes he has already reached the treasure. 

It will continue...

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You should watch Jack vs. Webtoons video on Lore Olympus before it gets wrongfully taken down.

His video pointed out something I wasn’t able to put into words until now. Lore Olympus has a real bad dialect problem. One second the characters are talking like they’re in a Shakespeare play which makes sense, sense they’re gods or what not. The next second you’ll have characters saying shit like “blue balls” “clout chaser” and “you’ve got a young wife with a fat ass”. It probably wouldn’t bother me if certain people talked a certain way like how Hera doesn’t use any slang and how Hermes uses some but all the characters vocabulary are the exact same.

Honestly I can look past the art and it’s inconsistencies but having dialect jump from regal to tiktok facebook slang makes my brain hurt more than glossy lipped Hades and bug eyed Persephone.

I checked it out, it's pretty great haha and yesss this is something that's been discussed before but I haven't really ever made a post about, the dialogue is CONSTANTLY flip-flopping between royal talk and "hello fellow teens" quipping. Sometimes it feels like it's trying to be like Marvel and then other times it feels like it's trying to be Bridgerton. I can think of no better example than all of the "pedigree" talk, it makes me squirm every time I read it because in the modern context of LO, it SCREAMS eugenics. The whole B-grade goddess thing made sense, until they started talking about Persephone like a poodle:

But then you ALSO get INCREDIBLY stiff dialogue that makes it seem like the comic is either being written by AI or Rachel is actually a real life version of Michael Afton post-scoop:

And yes, there is a tinfoil hat theory that LO is being written by bots at this point because I don't know how a single person could write something so tonally confused. That said, I do think the more reasonable explanation is that Rachel is likely copying dialogue from shows and movies she's watching and just tweaking it slightly before slapping it into LO. She's not observing why the dialogue works in the media she likes, she just knows she likes it and slaps it in there without any regard for context, tone of voice, or personality.

And that leads to, as you said, all the characters sounding the exact same, and that metric by which they all sound the same changes all the time. I think at this point the only reason we haven't seen Hera dropping TikTok language is because she hasn't been onscreen long enough for her to get the chance LMAO That said, we've definitely gotten some weird inconsistent dialogue with Hera as well:

(like she's essentially saying the exact same thing across both of these panels but one is being said by an adult and the other is being said by a teenager lmao)

I think the dialogue is definitely one of the most glaring issues with LO, among all of its other problems. It just never feels like it's being written by a human, there are problems with this even as far back as S1 but it's become especially apparent in S2 onwards.

To finish off this ask, here's one of my favorite dialogue mishaps in the entire series, from S1, in which Apollo literally adopts an askew English accent:

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(EDIT: This is getting visibility so reminder to do your daily clicks in arab.org (not only for the Palestine tab) and check this list of vetted palestinian gofundmes)

So, per typical Friday, we had a new page of La Grande Vague, but (at least when I checked), for the first time, the comments were... Pretty negative! And it's no wonder, we only have 2 more chapters episodes til this wraps up and, if you have read it, you know exactly how lackluster of an ending for the Wakfu story if this were the ending. (Sure, we'd have the upcoming Flo and Mad comic to cover one part of the cast, but LGV IS advertised as the great finale for the main story.) I really get the disappointed feeling, especially because whether you get the cheap or expensive pack, reading LGV at full is NOT free. And I'm not even touching, of course, the issue with season 5 being a webcomic.

But, if what other commenters said is true, Tot said LGV is actually going to have a hundred episodes or so! (I haven't been able to find the source. Maybe twitter? Feel free to send it to me. I'd be doubtful on authenticity but with many people saying it.. It sounds too specific)

However, I do still think some degree of criticism to how LGV is handled is still warranted for sure.

Like. The way it was marketed... Were we told there would be more than 10 chapters? Correct me if we have, but there being a bit of an ammount of fans in the comments not knowing tells me it was not well expressed.

The webtoon/webcomic(?) issue would be the pacing, I do agree.. Webcomics can have quite an iffy pacing to get used to as they do obviously need to be spread in time, often in short bits like lgv (though, at least it isn't as this one comic I read as a teen that was only a page per week. We were fine with it because it was a one person team but geez, it made action full high plot point chapters/episodes/(gah I find the names confusing..) tough to read with unchanging hype... (I'm not saying any webcomic author or even company should be pressured to upload even more than a page per *insert period of time * but we cannot deny the medium has its limitations. Idk if this also happens with comic books, since while they come in issues, they're longer book releases) For full transparency I'll say I'm not that much of a webcomic bluff at all aside from wakfu and the other one, so take it with a pinch of salt.

I think the problem is, we as a wakfu audience are used to get meaty 20 minute episodes, and while each lgv episode has content, because of the medium and the way it's structured, it definitely lasts less. Does this have any solution? I dunno. Webcomic was the only compromise to s5 not being able to be animated. And not to mention how passionate we are about this series.

On one hand, I feel some of the uproar should be saved til we see how does this progress and how Ankama handles the situation, cause if lgv is really gonna be 100 episodes long, we have to see how stuff plays out. On the other, I feel we as fans have the right to freely critique, (like the "ammount of chapters wasn't well advertised") healthily!

This isn't intended to be a proper essay, sorry if some of the wording doesn't make sense, and as you can see I have NOT touched on the plot itself cause I don't feel its that relevant for this post. Feel free to share your opinions with me!

EDIT: @/julith-jurgen and @/cocogum shared me a link to Tot and Cathiane (LGV's artist)'s statement in the replies, the 100 episodes/chapters (Again I still struggle with proper webcomic terminology lol) thing is real:

https://x.com/Totankama/status/1781321831263424875 https://x.com/Cathianedraws/status/1781379849606529479)

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My Introduction

Hello! I realised I've been posting randomly on Tumblr without introducing my mission as an author and the reason I've been spamming the #jeverus and #princechaser tags.

If you're not interested or do not ship Jeverus at all, feel free to skip. No hate to all ships, we all have preferences.

Intro! My pen name is jojoven on AO3 and I've been an avid reader of Severitus ever since I discovered it. I love OP Snape and TimeTravelAUs with Snape the most and I think that's how I opened up the possibility of diving on Jeverus.

Don't get me wrong, as a reader I used to read anything. I started with Dramione, Drarry, Snirius, Snupin, Wolfstar...the works! That's only for the Harry Potter fandom. I got myself included within anime fandoms, webtoons and k-pop fandoms as well. I just like fantasy and pretty things and I never really thought of just staying in one.

As a writer, I started in Wattpad and I wasn't even alone. Me and my friend shared an account and we used to write silly stories about love. That is, until I left to live in another country and I didn't write for a long time. In my English class, I was so devastated since the teacher kept on giving me Bs for my writing.

One day, my little sister (who is a waaaayyy avid reader than me, also will probably be a really great author probably in the future) told me that, that English teacher told the class about me. She practically said 'I got this student who had a lot of talent in writing but, her way of writing is not fitting for my standards so she would always get a B'.

Suffice to say I was furious, and when she moved away and had two different English teachers, I was on top of my work. I got As and when one of them asked me if I read, I confidently said yes. They said it shows in my writing and I should enhance it more.

If you've read 'Life as we Know It' on my profile, that is practically the story that got me into writing again.

But yes, because of that happening I started writing, at first it was just K-pop ships. They kept me really inspired but, as I started my way to university, the writing stopped yet again.

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Of course during the time, I still read when I re-discover my past hobbies. Then one day, I came across a Jeverus fic (also TimeTravel AU) and decided to try it. With that fic, I definitely fell in love.

I loved any ship and I usually would try to read all popular stories within those pairings but, for some reason, Jeverus was the one. Maybe it was because of my love for Severitus that led me to that pit, who knows?

Although, to my disappointment there wasn't alot of people who wrote about that ship. Below 2k works and I always thought that there's potential for more with the ship.

And yes, I get the shipping cues that alot of people are always pointing out. People will have problems with some ships one way or another, but its fiction and possibilities are endless. The ships (no matter which one) may be toxic, but aren't there alot of toxic fiction books that are published? They're not real. Everything will just go back to the actual franchise and whatever happens on fanfiction, will stay in fanfiction. You ship whatever or whoever you want, just enjoy it.

Anyway, I think Jeverus had alot of potential as a ship and I started making notes of all the ideas I had last year. I even posted them on my account to see if I can encourage some writers to write for me. But overall, I thought to myself, why not me?

If I write, would I inspire people to write? Or can I have people just enjoy the ship? There were alot of things to think about but, I decided to write anyway, with the thinking that maybe someday I'll post it.

And I did.

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It was overwhelming... A few people were either just hungry for jeverus or just curious. It gave me the courage to post the fics I've written so far plus, it gave me my hobby back.

It was also the best timing since I'll be on the type of job that requires 2 weeks of working and a week off after. Writing will definitely keep me occupied during those days along with my other hobbies.

So far, the ideas just kept coming and the writing is just flowing. I have to pat myself on the back since I have this habit of recording funny interactions I had or I've been told so it was easier to do funny stories. It also helps that people around me are funny.

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Anyway, that is all and that is it! To anyone who've read my stories or just seen one fic of mine. Thank you very much! The support has been immense. Not only that, the ship has surpassed 1.7k! I was so proud to be a part of that push, y'all don't even know how much (⁠ ⁠≧⁠Д⁠≦⁠). Anyway, I once again thank you especially if you've reached this far from my rant. (⁠｡⁠･⁠ω⁠･⁠｡⁠)⁠ﾉ⁠♡

Hope to hear from you all on my current/next fics too!

Lots of love,

jojoven ヾ⁠(⁠･⁠ω⁠･⁠*⁠)⁠ﾉ

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Newest poorly-cropped images from: https://m.webtoons.com/en/canvas/loveproof/list?title_no=872596 ! Okay I also turned this into a vent - like, A LOT, of venting and actually talking about the comic and all, so if you want that besides images of Daniel, then here you go!

Daniel uses his phone a lot, and I'm sure it's not meant the same way as me seeming to use my phone a lot, but I tend to keep it clear and near me - even holding it often or having earbuds on even when I'm not listening to music, etc, a lot, and especially when I'm actually using it a lot - or, well, writing to Ethan - then, well, I probably look like I'm using it a lot, so it actually means, a lot, that Daniel seems to "not go outside", a lot, and use his phone, a lot, and do "nothing", a lot - and he doesn't change the world, he doesn't have a bunch of friends, he's fecking useless and all ... just like me! No life, no hobbies, no interests, shitty outfits, just like me - same views of own aro identity (except people getting a crush on me never happens, and I wouldn't just have a friend have that anyway I think), an ace identity that isn't supposed to be separated and thrown away WHILE the comic also focuses on him being ARO and all, and maybe what one would call "immaturity", or a childish mindset, just like me - and yeah, I know I made a whole thing about how his problems would be solved if we were friends (and I'd also cause some, because that's real friendship), but sometimes, I doubt he'd like me, or, doubt he'd like me as much as I'd want him to, or doubt we'd get along ... and hey, maybe he'll be revealed to NOT be so similar to me, or to NOT allegedly have my brain-species if we think about it, but I love how the comic represents being aro, in all the fears, AND the humor, AND the confusion, AND the joy, etc, and that's already great and rare representation that I personally enjoy and all, but then there's also the representation of someone being similar to me, who I LOVE - (yes I love Daniel, that unfortunately happens with squishes often enough) - like, I've been wondering about getting myself represented, and no I did not, but I'm barely upset, because I basically got a fricking Webtoon representation - with good art, just fyi - of MY BRAIN-SPECIES OF ALL THINGS - in a likeable character, AND while getting aro representation - AND, he's ace (I'd guess apothiace more specifically), because I guess the catering wasn't enough, we need more tiers on the aro-cake for me, LOL -

Hey, maybe I asked for this - I've asked for a lot of different things, and even gotten some UNBELIEVABLE things, and yeah, I could believe you if you told me I had asked for this ever, but I'm still shocked and super grateful ... I just hope I will get the real life version as well - then again, sometimes I'm the OPPOSITE, of a sobbing pessimist, because I got a whole fecking OC of mine, to be real, AND, I got THIS, so ...

But then again, maybe the author will end up writing, so that he clearly doesn't have my same brain, or something.