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mattel-is-nobody · 10 months

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Time to brainrot about something I guess since I'm being kept up with a migraine.

Now you probably wouldn't think it from looking at me, but I am actually very, very much deeply obsessed with linguistics. To an unhealthy degree, some might say. And one of my favorite linguistic concepts is "This is a stupidly hilarious pun in Language A, but it makes no sense in Language B" The prime example of this is an old Sumerian/Babylonian joke that at this point has had several thousand video essays written about it. You know the one: "A dog walks into a tavern. 'I can't see anything!' he says. 'I'll open this one.'"

And who could forget the Greek Philosopher Chrysippus? In one of the accounts of his death, it is said that he got a bit too drunk at a party and, upon witnessing a donkey eating figs, he said "someone should get that donkey some pure wine to wash down the figs!". He then fucking died of laughter at his own joke. Beause apparently that was the funniest shit he'd ever seen.

Now neither of those make sense in any living language or modern culture, but the fact that it was written down at all means it made enough people laugh for it to be worth recording. And it's fun to look at living languages and see what makes the native speakers laugh but still utterly baffles everyone else. Even better, digital archeaologists in a thousand years are going to have a field day with this post if they ever stumble upon it, so here are a few of my favorite untranslatable puns: Hungarian: A man is pulled over by the police. The officer asks, "Are you drunk?". The man replies, "No, sir, Ivett is my wife"

Japanese: Why dont Hawaiians go to the dentist? Good teeth.

Finnish: "A bar and a screwdriver". That's the entire joke, by the way. Set up and punchline, apparently both right there, and in the original Finnish it's only two words. Apparently it's a reference to something? I'm just going to assume this is a thing you say and people laugh, much like "omae wa, mou shinderu"

Spanish: What fruit is the most patient? It's a pear. So fun fact, my Aunt is from Mexico, and I decided to tell her this joke in the original Spanish (which as a consequence of having a Mexican aunt, I speak pretty well). And I shit you not that as soon as the words "es pera" left my mouth, she let out the longest, heaviest, most world-weary sigh I have ever heard in my 20 years of life, before returning to the tamales she was making. I guess she now knows that my pun game has transcended to include her native language, and in that moment she was preparing herself for the ensuing decades of Spanish wordplay

Another from Japanese because they are gods of wordplay: "7-Up, Pepsi, Coca-Cola, they're all types of what?" "Soda?" "That's right!"

Chinese: "Who is Mi's mother?" "Hua, because peanuts". I took Chinese in high-school and I can verify that this is the shittiest pun I've ever seen, but the reddit user who posted it says "I am yet to find a single Chinese/Taiwanese person who does not find it hilarious"

Aussie English (which I'm including both for English rep and because Aussie slang is so markedly different that Brits and Americans are still unlikely to get it): "What's the difference between fat and cholesterol? You can't crack a cholesterol".

Danish: One sign says to another, "Are you married?" The other replies, "No, I'm divorced"

AND MY PERSONAL FAVORITE: French: "He wished to be Caesar, but he died as Pompey" -- George Clémenceau, commenting on the death of President Felix Faure (I refuse to explain this one or give any further context, go look it up)

Oh and side note. Obviously, no world leader can speak every language, so interpreters are a necessity for negotiation. And of course, world leaders and diplomats are going to try the lighten the mood occaisionally with humor. But for negotiations between most countries, that's hard to do, because there are very few puns with much cross-linguistic utility. Sure, you have that one joke about where cats go when they die that works in English and most Romance languages, but for some more serious negotiations, the number of puns that would make sense in both languages is pretty close to zero, and may very well BE zero. So the question arises, how do interpreters deal with that? Of course there are a lot of possible methods, not all of which are good or even remotely efficient. You could just translate the pun word for word, but as evidenced by the fact that that's literally what I did above, it's not gonna work that well. Explaining the joke also isn't gonna fly, because as we all know, the second you explain a joke is the seond it becomes Not Funny Anymore. The method I've found that I think works best is just to say "They have said a pun that doesn't translate well to English. Laugh now." Which is funny not just because it works, but because it works amazingly. That person on the other end of the table (who we are assuming doesn't speak a lick of English) has no clue what the interpreter is saying, and so must assume their joke was translated faithfully. Sure, their interpreter might know depending on how the whole thing is set up, but considering the vetting process you have to go through to be an interpreter for the POTUS , I highly doubt anyone is going to risk national security over a joke being left untranslated. Both leaders have a laugh, everything ends on good terms, and we avoid nuclear annihilation for another few weeks.

#linguistics #language #puns #terrible puns #bad puns #rambles

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anggecity · 3 years

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Non-Japanese tries to explain the lyrics of "Black Gold" by otetsu ft. Megurine Luka

Note: I am not a Japanese speaker, so I depend on translation engines, and comments are always welcome.

Black Gold is one of otetsu-P's iconic songs featuring Megurine Luka. It's also one of my fave J-pop songs to listen to, so I got curious on what the lyrics meant...

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TL;DR I think the song talks about a breakup, in simplest words. But it is not one that ended because of infidelity.

So first off, I'm checking the PVs if they could have highlighted other elements of the song. The original PV by meola is more of a still, exhibiting the sheen of gold, contrasting on a dark background. Meanwhile, Project DIVA's game video features Luka in a railway station, with black-gold motifs.

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Down to the lyrics, I looked up one at Vocaloid Lyrics by user @vaffisuco.

On Vaffisuco's, there are some notes, possibly adding more context to the intended message:

1. Not quite sure what the little 'dot' means between 犠牲 and 代償。Here I just assumed these two were connected to one another grammatically and in context. 2. Unsure if the その覚悟 part connects with the next sentence cluster, and can't tell if the intonation is necessarily going down to indicate the end of a sentence. I decided to translate these sentences as such as to avoid a very lengthy English explanation. 3. Here I assume that the singer is verifying her existence/her failed relationship. She grasps the 'love' and the Black gold ring in order to leave her 'mark'. May possibly be referring to the existence of her ex, but I decided to translate this portion in first person.

Those notes aside, comparing it to DeepL and Google Translate, the human and engine translations mostly have the same translation. For comparison on engine translations, I merged lines per phrase, usually into ones or two whole lines. There is also one line-by-line at DeepL, as the line breaks sort of bring a different context, though still similar.

Altogether, the translations at the first verses present a confusing group of lines.

I was asked to decide which way to go, and I lied. The person who told me to go right went left. (from DeepL, merged lines)

As someone who also speaks Tagalog, I might see that "going left" can translate to "pangangaliwa" or a connotation of adultery/cheating. However, I am not sure if this is applicable in Japanese too. So I thought that it implies more of a backsliding, or a reversal of what was once promised.

To be able to breathe / So that I can live / Having to put it into words (from DeepL, line-by-line)

To me this implies that there had been an end of a connection in good terms, that ironically not staying true (lying) to one's initial words would mean being true to the next.

It must have been hard for you to put it into words, but you were still smiling, covered in scars. (from DeepL, merged lines)

There is a slight difference on translated syntax to different engines, but it is pretty consistent with all three presented translations here. However, for the next line, both line-by-line DeepL and merged lines at Google Translate show the same to who is expressing laughter, but differ to who apparently got the injuries:

You're covered in scars/ I was smiling (from DeepL, line-by-line)

It would have been painful to put it into words. I was laughing with all the scratches. (from Google Translate, merged lines)

And so is for Vaffisuco's and merged lines at DeepL, saying it's the other party that did so:

As I became covered in wounds / You laughed. (Vaffisuco's Vocaloid Lyrics translation)

It must have been hard for you to put it into words, but you were still smiling, covered in scars. (from DeepL, merged lines)

I am not sure which among these translations fit the producer's intended message. Perhaps for one, it is open to interpretation. But I also think that the laugh can connote a "hiding the pain" (no reference intended), or it is more of a relief to one that broke the bond, that it had to be a relief for both.

The chorus translations are very similar. Vaffisuco's translation brings an imagery of, likely a lost possibility, a path that with this became a dead end.

Scared of the things that could separate us, / I averted my gaze and ran away / I stop in my tracks, my vision flickering / I am not prepared to be, or repay the victim* (Vaffisuco's Vocaloid Lyrics translation) *The words translated were "犠牲" (sacrifice) and "代償" (compensation). Per the note, the translator "assumed these two were connected to one another grammatically and in context."

Vaffisuco's translation strikes me that it was a shock for the person, as if they were caught off-guard. At least as how I see it, the persona talks about how difficult something was to let go, and consequently "repay" the compensation that for one, will mend things altogether. I reckon a line confirms it, that they still have a significant attachment despite the breaking away:

I'm so, so scared of being separated, / I just want to be by your side (Vaffisuco's Vocaloid Lyrics translation)

I'm afraid of being separated from you. I'm afraid.　 I wanted to be there. (from DeepL, merged lines)

Where Vaffisuco's (and another translation at LyricsTranslate) repeats with "or repay the victim", the engine translations seemed to show slight differences:

Stopping, hiding in plain sight The sacrifice, the price, I'm not prepared for [it] (from DeepL, line-by-line)

Stopping, sacrificing and compensating to appear and disappear (from Google Translate, merged lines)

The words may have resulted from completely different ways of extracting context from syntax, so here we are. But even so, the connotations share something in common. "To appear and disappear" presents itself in a way that there could be a sacrifice to begin with, to compensate in keeping, and the "stopping" in "[to] disappear". That's how I can interpret what I got from Google Translate. But for what DeepL showed, it could be reiterating the notion of not being able to accept for whatever had to be lost and "sacrificed".

The bridge builds up with lyrics that give a sense of "spiralling down". It likely, vaguely if anything, references fate being cruel.

So, what is the 'truth'? / Is it cold, hard metal? / Look, look at me walking! / Look, look at me walking! / So who was the one that made the decision? / Just where is our God? / Ah, how unfulfilling! (Vaffisuco's Vocaloid Lyrics translation)

What's the truth, what's cold metal? Look at me, I'm looking at you, I'm walking backwards, When did God decide? I don't know where God is, I can't fill it, I can't fill it. (from DeepL, merged lines) *Without the rest of the lines, "埋まらない　埋まらない" becomes "I can't bury it I can't bury it"

I'm not sure what the "cold metal" is about, but a quick Google search of "冷たい金属だとか" showed this (and another random translation):

Could it mean that that the brink of sincerity becomes no more than gold, but that of silver? Could it be referencing the conductivity of silver? Or maybe it just generally refers to metal left in a cool temperature, that literally feels hard and cold to touch?

And down to the last two choruses... the lines changed, going to the song's conclusion.

Separating from you, I go far, far away / To the people who went left / I'll leave your last act of kindness right here / So it won't lose it's brilliance (Vaffisuco's Vocaloid Lyrics translation)

To the one who went away, far away, to the left The last kindness you gave me, I'll leave it here so it doesn't fade away (from DeepL, merged lines)

Both DeepL and Google Translate shared very similar results. As for this, it bears acknowledgement on the other party, possibly memorializing the pleasant memories to be left behind.

What drives people apart / is that resolve for victims and their compensation I grasped the love dangling from my neck / and a black gold ring / So my footprints won't disappear (Vaffisuco's Vocaloid Lyrics translation) *Quoting the translator: "Here I assume that the singer is verifying her existence/her failed relationship. She grasps the 'love' and the Black gold ring in order to leave her 'mark'. May possibly be referring to the existence of her ex, but I decided to translate this portion in first person."

One of Vaffisuco's notes imply for the second last chorus that in times of trouble, people look for compensation and will do anything for it. It might try to say that at some point, vengeance is what pushes a person to act upon something; sometimes, this can be seen as closures, closing things. This is such that they believe that removing something from their live will make it easier, that it is a resolution on their part. (There definitely are more connotations that only human translators and native speakers can catch!)

To be separated from you The sacrifice, the price, the determination With [the] love around my neck and the black gold ring around my neck I'm trying to keep my footprints (from DeepL, line-by-line)

For the last chorus, I agree with Vaffisuco's note, seconding that the song is about a process of separation, when honesty is still honesty, and the difficulty of acceptance for one end (the persona). As for whose footprints are being kept, if it is decided that it was the persona's footprints, the persona wants to be remembered by one who left her. Otherwise, the persona wants to remember the other half, implied by the footprints.

As for the title "Black Gold", it can be interpreted in many ways. For English speakers, the phrase may be slang for "petroleum" as this resource in deposits had made certain countries rich by importation. But in jewelries, "black gold" refers to processed gold so its surface exhibits a black color.

Overall, the song shows itself as mysterious and poetic (especially that I am no Japanese speaker) with how the words are translated, and the implications I get by looking at how the syntax is processed for a language I am a native speaker of.

#black gold #megurine luka #vocaloid #巡音ルカ #otetsu #vocaloid lyrics #jpop #song lyrics #song lyrics meanings #japanese #Youtube

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silver-wield · 4 years

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Are you learning Japanese or would like to? I've been feeling inspired to myself after my friend surprised me with the Kiki's Delivery Service artbook (so thoughtful ❤), but am electing to use a translation app for now.

I'm actually really bad with languages, but I love learning about different cultures, so it sucks being me sometimes lol

I don't mind relying on machine translations or reliable people explaining things cause it's better to acknowledge a weakness than act like I know better than native speakers cause I happened to pick up a few words.

I've used several apps on the AC reunion files and compared them to the official translations and they're pretty decent. I also wouldn't post those machine translations without the original so other people can double check if they like. I think translators who only post their translation without the original are very suspect. It's like they're trying to hoard the info and prevent other people verifying what they've said.

Very sus...

I bet the art book is pretty! Studio Ghibli always makes everything so pretty, it's like watching a moving painting. So wholesome and cute ❤️

#For me?

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animecat33 · 4 years

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I’m in a mood, so here’s some an extremely long post with shit conflict that happened on deviantart when i was younger that i’m still petty about and i wanna vent about it because if i wasn’t so young i woldn’t have let people step on me like that

No one should read this, tbh, it’s a fucking horror show out here

oc: Shinju

When i made her it was the first time one of my ocs had like effort put into it, i designed her, make her backstory, put her in kirigakure, and i spent a long time researching names for her, looking up japanese words that i think would fit her, Ren Takeo

One person commented saying that they had an with the same name, from the same village, though they didn’t mean any harm by saying that, and even said it was fine

Here’s where it gets tricky.

I then got comments and private messages from OTHER PEOPLE telling me to change the name

So, like the weak bitch i was, i changed her name

Oc: Roxy

I’ve talked about this one before, but i have this sonic oc named Roxy, i loved her, she was a bit edgy but like, queen, 10 years ago we were ALL edgy

I really wanted Roxy to be a lesbian, but i didn’t like, put that in the info, at the time gay ocs we’re really taken very well by the community, plus a few of my art friends were very iffy anytime i implied that some of my ocs might not be 100% straight.

now, i WANTED Roxy to be a lesbian but i was guilt tripped by some dude to roleplay with him, no matter now many time i said i didn’t roleplay, he wouldn’t take no for an answer and I was very easily guilt tripped into eventually saying yes

A roleplay starts with Roxy and his Male wolf characer, John, when we started he assured that they were gonna be friends but one thing lead to another and he pressured me into role playing a sex scene, i was 14, i didn’t want to, didn’t even know how to write that. At that age i hadn’t really even seen porn before, but a few days of mowing down my boundries and he guilt trips me into saying yes.

At that point, he essencially took Roxy and did whatever the hell he wanted with her. Next thing i know, Roxy was married to this male character and they had a baby? I even ended up making some art of them because he kept saying how he was tired of making all the artwork himself.

Thank god, eventually he forgot about me and Roxy for a lot time. The last time i talked to him was on a pm where he warned me he was gonna delete all his ocs, including Roxy and Johns child, i think he wanted me to convince him not to do it but by that time i was older and just said “alright man, see ya”

Thank fuck, that problem solved itself, but i’d be better off not going through it in the first place

The cosplay hellhole

When i first started cosplaying, i posted my pictures to DA too, since there was a cosplay community there, didn’t think anything would happen

When i got my first Harley wig and makeup i was so excited i posted them on deviantart, and they did quite well, tbh. Some people asked for fansigns, and i didn’t even know who those were but, once it was explained to me, i did some for people who requested them, from there it was also fine, but stay tuned, cause it’s gonna bite me in the ass later down the line

I start getting wierd dms, very sexual in nature, which grossed me out, since i was already 20 it wasn’t like, illegal or anything, but there was a pattern of people asking for sexual content followed by “it’s okay if you say no, though” and when i said no, they would be pissed at me, calling me a whore, saying if i didn’t want attention, i wouldn’t cosplay Harley.... keep in mind, all of my photos where from the shoulder up at this point, i muscle through this time, i’ve been harrassed enough to have a lil bit thicker skin.

But over time, the pile up of messages from diferent accounts were getting to me, and i was starting to delete photos.

AND THEN

He said he was embarrassed of having to send me these things but if i wanted the photo taken down i’d have to report it myself, thankfully he also found the direct link to the report page so i didn’t have to dig through the website. Thankfully the report worked and the photo was taken down

I receive a pm from a friend that scared the shit out of me. He was going through this porn website called Xhamster, he recognises someone using one of my fansigns as a photo, now he KNOWS this isn’t me, because i’ve been vocal about not wanting to be sexualized while in cosplay. Someone took one of the fansigns, edited out the words, flipped the image, and photoshopped their own signature on to the sign in hopes of like... getting verified or something?. In short this person was using my photo as if it was a photo of them.

That mixed in with the still incoming pms from creeps made me delete every cosplay photo i’ve ever posted on deviantart.

Years later i did post new cosplay stuff again, now giving a warning right at the top of the description and being very okay with using the block button to my leisure.

I’m taking a long as fuck hiatus from posting on deviantart, it’s been over a year now, but i still go on a block spree when someone breaks the rules i’ve set

The whole “Luís” saga

Sit down for this one, it’s the weirdest one

I had a friend named Luís, we weren’t super close, in fact he was mean to me a lot, making fun of my english, even though neither of us were native speakers, refering to my home country as “Spain’s bitch”. Sending me cartoon porn when i was underaged was a big red flag that i didn’t even think was a big deal until i was older and thought back on it, like that was fucked up.

One day, i had critiques open, Luís sends a super spammy message and then blocks me. I was like “okay, whatever, i’m tired anyway” and i blocked him back.

THAT is when shit hit the fan

He tries to unblock me and talk to me, when that doesn’t work he makes a secondary account and starts sending me very aggressive pms. I’m was tired of how he acted with me, plus something about him being so desperate to be unblocked didn’t sit right, so i just blocked the new accounts

He made 15 separate accounts, getting more and more angry with each one, i block all 15.

Suddenly i’m getting pms in english and spanish from people i’ve never interacted with, but aparently Luís had told them i was being some sort of monster, some of them backed off after seeing the full picture, the others got blocked

Luís girlfriend was friends with me.

He then threatned to leave her if she didn’t block me.... she left HIM, and now I’M being blamed for that

Someone shared some uuuuhhhh fanart he drew of her after that, it was super sus, it was a comic about him seducing her with a kiss in order to make her hate someone, girl you’re better off without him, jesus christ

Now shit starts moving off of deviantart

He finds my personal facebook, which was NOT disclosed to the public, and starts messaging me, from there he found my twitter, youtube, skype, starts messaging my irl friends, quite a lot of them did not even know english at the time.

In the few messages before i blocked him, i warned him to stop, i warned him he was stalking me online and that shit isn’t okay. THIS DUDE

this dude replied with “it’s not stalking because i’m younger than you”

BOI

this happened over the course of a year, and it was the first time i ever reported someone, hell it’s the first time i’ve seen a report be successful, because i contact deviantart with a list of everything he’s done, screenshots to prove it, links to his separate accounts where all the comments are ONLY about me

a week later they DELETE THIS MAN’S WHOLE ACCOUNT

I have not heard from him in almost a decade

This is like, the ONE TIME i feel like i won

Aaand well, done, those are the most serious one, there’s some minor shit that’s not worth talking about, but looking back, wow, i used to get a lot of sexual harassment on deviantart huh?

#waste of posts #long post #vent

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supergirlsattic · 5 years

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Hello Cycles and Vv! I love your podcast and how in-depth you get, particularly with characterization across the seasons and character motivations. How many times do you each re-watch an episode before getting together to record the podcast? How much outside research (in literature, psychology, military tactics, etc, etc) do you do for each episode to make sure you get the references right and all that? Thank you!

Cycles: We typically rewatch the episode once, and have the outline and research done by Monday night for recording at the next available time. So if you want us to address a question in an episode, try to get it to us before then!

Vv: I tend to make notes after the first watch so I don’t get bogged down in too many details, then I go back to check for thematic threads or content I’ve missed. Meshing our notes is always a trip because we have completely different writing styles— so Cycles usually does hers first and then we add mine.

Cycles: As for research—it’s really whatever the content calls for! Sometimes we’ll follow the trail a reference leaves and sometimes we’ll decide something in the show could benefit from more explanation or real-world context. Then, we’ll use the internet (and Vv, specifically, will sometimes use an actual physical book) to learn more or confirm information we were already familiar with. On occasion, live human people with relevant areas of expertise are involved.

Vv: I am of the belief that it’s silly not to ask your friends for help, so if we’re discussing content we don’t have experience with, I’ll touch base with someone who does just to make sure we’re not saying anything inaccurate. (We also do this with language! Both Manchester’s British slang and the translation of Kara & Alex’s Japanese were verified by native speakers before we recorded.)When it comes to discussing production stuff, we check that as well. THERE’S ALSO A LOT OF SINGING. MOSTLY BY ME.

Cycles: Important production note: there were at least 5 pauses where Vv sang a reference while we were recording the last episode.

#attic asks #kasadilla11

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steamedricejournal · 2 years

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Words

During the years that I have practiced or taught aikido, the physical movements were often clarified, explained, or directed by words. Some of them were Japanese; most were English translations of Japanese expressions and constructs.

Blend with your opponent, extend ki, keep maai, practice fudoshin, keep one point, kokyu-nage, take ukemi, uke, nage, hatori waza.

As a student, I hear them as explanations and directions. As a teacher, I returned the favor. They became the lingua franca of the class. The language bridging the art’s movements with the mystical dimensions of budo. As a student, I assumed that the expressions and translations heard were correct. And the ones I used when I taught were uttered in the absolute belief I understood their meaning.

In 1991, Dave Lowry, an American martial artist, wrote an article entitled Aiki of Words. It was published in Aikido Today, the premier magazine for Aikido during that time. The point of the article was to caution aikidoka about the use of English to understand what Aikido is.

“Morihei Ueshiba never talked about harmony. The founder of Aikido never spoke either, despite what you’ve been told, about love or the relationship between Aikido and the mechanics of the universe.

By now the reader, if he has recovered from his outrage over these apparently heretical pronouncements, will have guessed that there is a little linguistic sleight of hand at work here. O’sensei did not mention these things because he did not speak English. If you think, however, that Ueshiba Sensei and other Japanese speakers were simply using a different language and that there are English translations that mean virtually the same, you are not just mistaken. You are ignoring one of the most significant and often-overlooked gaps that yawn between Aikido as it is practiced in its native environs and as it is followed in the West…

..unless they are very careful or undertake a serious study of the Japanese language (and its attendant culture) at the same time as learning Aikido, even dedicated enthusiasts may find themselves having slid into a sloppy reliance upon poor or incomplete translations – a reliance that may soon be reflected in a less than accurate understanding of Aikido itself.”

A number of words used in a dojo’s practice, such as maai and ki, have subtle and nuanced meanings. Witness the recent change of extending ki to ki is extending. While the change seems a slight juggling of word placement, the change in meaning is significant.

All of it reminds me of the old party game, where you whisper a message to one person, and they, in turn, pass it on to another. Around the room, or down the line, the message is whispered from ear to ear until it arrives at the last person in the room. It is a good bet that the resulting message is nowhere near what the original was. The words and their meaning passing from one person to another colored by what I mean when I say them and what you perceive when you hear them.

So what is the point of all of this? It is to be cautious. Understand that unless someone is well versed in the Japanese language and culture, you are depending on a teacher’s best efforts to educate themselves on the meaning of things. Have a healthy skepticism; trust and verify what you told and taught. Ask questions.

Also, in recent times, Kashiwaya Sensei, the Chief Instructor of our federation of dojos, has started to make more direct statements about what things mean and don’t mean.

自分は心身統一合氣道の指導者ですが、まだ修行中です。なので「合氣道とは」とか「天地とは」等と自分が分かったような事を言う事は慎んでいます。何故なら、お弟子さん達がそれが答えだと勘違いをしてしまうからです。これらの答えは各自が真剣に修行した上で感じ取れば良い事だと思っています。

I am a Ki-Aikido instructor, but I am still training. Therefore, I refrain from saying things that I understand, such as "What is Aikido" or "What is Tenchi”. The reason is that the students will misunderstand that is the answer. I think these answers should be felt after each student has practiced sincerely.

The short answer is to stay critical, open, and practice. Question authority, especially your own. That is the practice. Say hai, I understand, because that is not the same as saying yes.

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parksoogi · 6 years

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DAY 5 // 2018-06-28

Today, I was still working on my report on Sanskrit loanwords in Indonesian for a class where I am only audit. AND. I. FINALLY. FINISHED. IT!!!! You can consider that I didn’t do something else important so my day was not productive but I really think that I was too desperate to finish this freaking report today that I didn’t felt like adding a lot of tasks to my lists. Nonetheless, one of the tasks today was to publish my first post on the language I am working on in Taipei: Thao.

Let’s talk about this a bit longer because I am really excited!

Thao: Introducing a very serious endangered language of Taiwan

Thao is a language spoken by only 7 native speakers, in the Central Mountains of Taiwan, precisely in the Sun Moon Lake. Their village is now called “Ita Thao” which means “our Thao” / “our people”.

As I am meant to become an expert of Thao language, I thought that it would be nice to make some posts about it. I think positively about three benefits that this new commitment could bring me: 1. it will permit me to verify if I am able to explain to non-experts clearly the different notions treated by the posts; 2. it will be an overture to more knowledge for everybody; 3. it will be a source of motivation to go back to study on the domain when I don’t feel like it.

A crossroad between culture and languages?

The first post is about something I am very much interested in: Mythology in Thao. When I was taking my Latin, Old Greek and Biblical Hebrew classes in either high school, university or both, I was fascinated by these great creations of the human mind which had, and in a sense still has, a deep and profound impact on our societies nowadays. Mythology hence corresponded to steady categories of values, of heroes, of facts and interdiction which, with much drama, were totally getting out of control (Gods taking side and making wars, people... haha).

In Thao, the fascination comes from a little different perspective. First, in their mythology we don’t find as much details of epic wars or battles or even epic romance between the protagonists. Everything is very factual, there are even some reserve talking about love life. But as a group of hunters-gatherers for many centuries, they add very surprising details such as how to get back home when you go hunting in a forest, or also on how to cook fishes. Secondly, and maybe the most important in my point of view, the transmission of these myths. Thao is a language of oral tradition, the people were illiterate before the arrival of Japanese colonizers. During the Japanese era, they had to go to school and learn the Japanese writing system. Kilash, one of the most important informants of Thao in his time had try in his private notebooks to adapt the writing system of Japanese to his own language, having realized the crucial importance of writing his dying language down before it is too late. Hence, all the texts of mythology found in Thao society are all a transmission of ancestors. There is no means to verify if what was said 200 years ago was still going in the same direction or if Thao continuously reinvented their history through time.

The first post I made earlier is about the foundation of actual settlement of Thao people and the title of this myth is the white deer. I am also responsible for the graphics/edits you can see before the texts. I thought that everybody (including me of course) love to study with aesthetics or at least like beautiful things and feel more interested in learning the content.

If you are interested, I give you the link of my post here again.

I thank you for the warm support I received these past few days, you guys are awesome!! I was really touched!

Eloo.

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Hingan and Eorzean are not the same langauge

A few months ago Hingan === Eorzean was a thin theory at best, but now the evidence is so overwhelming that continuing to push the idea makes me wonder if there isn't a racist or hate-filled motivation fueled by a dislike for anime or Japanese culture.

To be clear, if you don't like Hingan in your RP that's just like your opinion man, but to deny its existence in the lore given what we know and what the devs have said and good logical deduction skills would make me question your motivation as to why you're doing it at this point.

Here is a list of why the idea doesn't work particularly in the context of the western localization - but really it doesn't work in any localization.

The game script is loaded with moments like this verifying that Hingan is both romanized Japanese AND a different language from Eorzean

Hingan is not a dead language either, as Oboro would not make this statement if it were

All localizations are valid, the Japanese version of the game isn't any more "true" than any other version. This is word of God (devs)

Eorzea is a setting based on western fantasy tropes, a Europe style continent, complete with European culture analogs and appropriately appropriated naming conventions. None of this works if Eorzean === Japanese.

Developers have confirmed that there were many languages in Eorzea that fell out of use, this perfectly explains why Elezen have French names but don't speak French. Note this doesn't confirm that Hingan is dead, that would be bad deductive reasoning.

In media the language of the actors and characters is almost always the same as the target audience. This doesn't mean that in an American made World War II French occupation drama the native language of all the speakers is English, in much the same way that the Japanese version of Final Fantasy XIV doesn't mean that Eorzean === Japanese.

Eorzean script is "olde English" - with just a few minutes of exposure English competent readers can read it, easily. How could this be if Eorzean === Japanese because of the Japanese localization speaking to its audience in Japanese? Spoilers: The Japanese localization is in Japanese so that Japanese people can understand it. At this point would we argue from a position of good faith that Eorzeans are reading this writing, mentally translating it to Hingan/Japanese, then translating back to "olde English" when they need to write something? This is a ridiculous idea but necessary if we thought that Eorzean === Japanese or that Eorzean === Hingan

Notably, all of the writing in Doma/Kugane uses the Japanese style characters we see in game, none of it is the Eorzean script. If Eorzean === Hingan then one culture here is really going out of its way to make it easy for the other at their own expense. For no reason at all.

The Au Ra Raen naming conventions lore shows us a complex name meaning system that uses Japanese characters. This simply could not be if Hingan was not a distinct language from Eorzean, because it would mean that Eorzean was also Japanese. Refer to earlier list points for why that doesn't fly

The lore book did a really bad job of explaining itself. What it means to say is that Doman and Hingan are different dialects of the same language, not that Eorzean === Hingan

Here's a breakdown of all the models that have been passed around for months regarding this issue.

Eorzean and Hingan are distinct languages, both living (strongest model, only one that works in the setting completely)

Eorzean and Hingan are distinct languages, but one of them is dead (this results in a broken setting)

Eorzean and Hingan are the same language, and that language is "common" or English or some other magically undefinable language that somehow makes all of this work (this results in a broken setting)

Eorzean and Hingan are the same language, and that language is Japanese (this results in a broken setting)

To be clear... if you don't like Hingan in your role play as a separate language, fine, but to continue to push the idea that it doesn't exist in lore is simply wrong and bad logic. It requires cherry picking, bad conclusions, or petty hatred to uphold.

I can help but think that the reason the bad theory that Doman/Hingan is the same language as Eorzean is pushed to this day is because people have such a blind hatred towards anything perceived as weeaboo that they deem Japanese itself to be weeaboo and aim to prevent its in character usage and in doing so unwittingly court erasure, racism, and white-washing.

Newsflash for those people: the erasure of culture is far worse than some kid using kawaii in a sentence.

Don't do it.

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A lesser known, yet uniquely compelling candidate for the real Satoshi Nakamoto is Japanese mathematician and number theorist Shinichi Mochizuki. With a long history of mathematical innovation, and purportedly proving conjectures thought to be near impossible to verify, he seems to almost come from an alien world. Mochizuki further painstakingly avoids the spotlight. Some, like American computer scientist and co-inventor of hypertext, Ted Nelson, go so far as to call him Satoshi.

Also Read: “I Designed Bitcoi… Gold” – The Many Facts Pointing to Nick Being Satoshi

The Coolness Outside

As Paul Rosenberg states in his blog post “Be the Outsider,” everything that ultimately innovates comes from a private space, on the fringes of society: “Please believe me that the coolest things happen outside, and not within the hierarchies of the status quo … Outside is where personal computers came from. It’s where the Internet came from. It’s where Bitcoin came from … Nearly everything cool comes from outside.”

Japanese mathematician Shinichi Mochizuki fits this unorthodox form as well. Attempting to solve “impossible” problems, focused only on his work and hiding from the spotlight, the 50-year-old professor Mochizuki has chosen not to submit his most revolutionary ideas for formal review. He has instead — much like Satoshi Nakamoto — surreptitiously placed them on the internet, and walked away.

Shinichi Stats

A Mathematics Prodigy

Child of an international marriage, Mochizuki moved with his family from Japan to the United States at age five, and would go on to graduate Philips Exeter Academy in New Hampshire at age 16. From there it was Princeton University for a bachelor’s degree and Ph.D in mathematics, lecturing at Harvard for two years, and then a return to Japan in 1994. Mochizuki is currently a full professor at Japan’s prestigious Kyoto University.

In spite of impressive accomplishments and accolades such as proving Grothendieck’s conjecture on anabelian geometry in 1996, and being invited to speak at the International Congress of Mathematicians, nothing would cause such a stir as his alleged proof of the ABC Conjecture in 2012. The conjecture is described as a “beguilingly simple number theory problem that had stumped mathematicians for decades.”

What math experts found in reviewing the proof, however, was that they couldn’t even understand it, and Mochizuki couldn’t be bothered to explain. Caroline Chen notes in her article The Paradox of the Proof:

Usually, they said, mathematicians discuss their findings with their colleagues. Normally, they publish pre-prints to widely respected online forums. Then they submit their papers to the Annals of Mathematics, where papers are refereed by eminent mathematicians before publication. Mochizuki was bucking the trend. He was, according to his peers, “unorthodox.” But what roused their ire most was Mochizuki’s refusal to lecture.

Much like Bitcoin had been carefully dropped off as an alien creation on obscure corners of the internet at its inception, Mochizuki had dropped off a supposed bombshell in the field of mathematics and stepped back. He had even created his own terminology over a decade of isolated research which other mathematicians couldn’t parse.

Chen explains: “Then Mochizuki walked away. He did not send his work to the Annals of Mathematics. Nor did he leave a message on any of the online forums frequented by mathematicians around the world. He just posted the papers, and waited.”

An American Background in British English

Critics of Satoshi theories placing a Japanese as Nakamoto often cite Satoshi’s impeccable command of the English language and grammar in correspondence, and the cleanliness of his writing style. As a native speaker, this would have been a non-issue for Princeton salutatorian Mochizuki.

Also frequently cited is Satoshi’s use of typically British English expressions and spellings such as “bloody” and “colour.” Interestingly, Mochizuki’s mentor and doctoral advisor from Princeton, Gerd Faltings, is a German national. The two would have presumably communicated in English at Princeton in an academic setting, and the English formally taught in Germany is typically British English. Mochizuki would have also undoubtedly been exposed to the British usages at his prestigious boarding school, Philips Exeter Academy.

Hyper-Endorsement from Ted Nelson

The inventor of hypertext, computer scientist and philosopher Ted Nelson feverishly rushed to produce an entertaining and insightful video on Mochizuki in 2013 after reading an article about him and deciding that Shinichi Mochizuki was indeed “the one.”

Lack of Explanation and Evasion of the Spotlight

Sorry to be a wet blanket. Writing a description for this thing for general audiences is bloody hard. There’s nothing to relate it to.

So read the words of Satoshi Nakamoto from a July 5, 2010 post to Bitcointalk.org, in attempting to define Bitcoin for a wider audience. Like Bitcoin, Mochizuki’s purported proof of the ABC Conjecture was a novel contribution not readily grasped by the public, or even experts. With a stated goal of establishing “an arithmetic version of Teichmüller theory for number fields equipped with an elliptic curve … by applying the theory of semi-graphs of anabelioids, Frobenioids, the etale theta function, and log-shells,” even the world’s premier mathematicians were stumped, and Mochizuki couldn’t be bothered to explain.

When asked by a well-known university to visit and expound on the proof, Mochizuki reportedly stated “I couldn’t possibly do that in one talk.” He then refused even when offered more time. Friend and colleague of Mochizuki, Oxford professor Minhyong Kim, states that Shinichi is a “slightly shy character,” noting:

He’s a very hard working guy and he just doesn’t want to spend time on airplanes and hotels and so on.

Japanese Background

Japanese culture is quiet, reserved, and hardworking, generally speaking. Humility and politeness go hand-in-hand with and an almost painful aversion to being the center of attention. In Japan it is viewed as graceful and appropriate to do one’s work quietly, complete the task, and not make much of a fuss about it. This can be very different from the general Western individualist ethos, which often calls for flashy attention or a prize in the face of groundbreaking accomplishment.

On a linguistic aside, the name Shinichi means “new one” in Japanese, and interestingly shares a syllable count with Satoshi. The surnames line up syllabically as well, but this could be nothing more than mere coincidence.

Skepticism and Summary

The most obvious argument against Shinichi Mochizuki being Satoshi Nakamoto is a glaring lack of known background in computers, coding, and cypherpunk ethos and knowledge. It’s hard to imagine though, that a scholar of his caliber in the field of mathematics would not have at least some working familiarity with these fields. Critics have pulled no punches in attempting to put the Mochizuki as Satoshi theory into the cultural paper shredder, even leveraging insult to do so. Still, like the other candidates in this series so far, Mochizuki merits examination on a variety of counts, and further adds to the mystery of the hunt for Bitcoin’s pseudonymous creator.

Who do you think is Satoshi? One person? Many? Let us know in the comments section below.

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The Many Facts Pointing to Shinichi Being Satoshi

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The Many Facts Pointing to Shinichi Being Satoshi

The Coolness Outside

Shinichi Mochizuki

Shinichi Stats

A Mathematics Prodigy

An American Background in British English

Hyper-Endorsement from Ted Nelson

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Lack of Explanation and Evasion of the Spotlight

Sorry to be a wet blanket. Writing a description for this thing for general audiences is bloody hard. There’s nothing to relate it to.

He’s a very hard working guy and he just doesn’t want to spend time on airplanes and hotels and so on.

Japanese Background

Skepticism and Summary

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yamatosan is typing, or how i lost several hours of the day due to a misunderstanding

so this will be kind of a thing i do to keep track of the little things i get curious about as i’m surfin teh webz (lolcats?). most of these are highly-irrelevant to anything of substance at my current level and understanding of japanese, but they’re a common fixture in my life. at least enough to seek out and understand if for no other reason than to satiate boredom. more under the cut. may contain plain words, kanji, and bits of grammar all in one.

(warning: anyone who has a functioning knowledge with japanese will find this extremely sad and pathetic lol! novice blundering ahead)

入力中

this is the first of the day. it actually threw me off at first because of the sentence in which i encountered it, which is within a messaging program. the sentence was as follows: 「大和さんが入力中…」 ( 大和さん being just a euphemism in this case)

being still a relative novice, i thought i stumbled upon some grammatical error or kind of nonsense because of a translation error or typo. the truth is that it’s much more complicated and deals with a concept new to me. i looked up the term as presented in bold because the beginning of the sentence is fine to me but 入力中 looks like a noun without the telltale kana of most verb conjugations. but it’s very much a verb. since it’s been conjugated, it doesn’t show up in the dictionary except in a noun which has different kanji tacked on. this is how i came to the conclusion that there was an error in the instant messaging client.

but a bit more searching led me to this question on hinative (the link from google pointed to the question linked previously, which is in traditional chinese, but the english version of the site can be viewed here. i kept the original link to document the experience) which has a short, concise explanation from a native speaker:

中 is used after a noun which can be a verb with する (e.g. 入力する). It means an action is being performed. e.g. いま文を入力中です。＝いま文を入力しています。

(courtesy of user mfuji)

so according to mfuji, in this case, 中 indicates an action is being performed presently (making sense in context of the messaging program, which displays the original message from before whilst someone is typing), seemingly to “mobilize” a noun that can become a verb through the use of ～する, which i’ll explore in the next section to make a better understanding of this. but odd to me is that there’s a ～です at the end. i’m not doubting the legitimacy of the statement, mfuji is the native here. it’s just something i don’t understand. ～です is along the lines of indicating something is a certain way (to my unsourced knowledge; need to research this) and is really common in basic “A is B” sentence structures (but i read once that there is a distinction between states of being that are not expressed in english; source is not easily verified quickly but is out there and prompts me to look into it another time (also note that i can’t find the exact passage this information was in, my apologies!)). my only available explanation at the moment (which is subject to change, naturally) is that because the verb in the second sentence has a ～ます form, it’s to add an extra politeness to it. alone, it might not be normal to say to someone with whom you are on ～ます terms with. but this is entirely my own conjecture as a novice and is not fact at my present understanding.

so naturally the next step would be to dissect the usage of ～中. i headed over to the japanese stackexchange as i generally trust the people there to be more informed than random blog posters (such as yours truly). to my surprise, i couldn’t find what i was looking for, but it might have been a fault of my search syntax. so i decided to approach it in a different way, by using two popular online dictionaries.

the first was wiktionary, which on this page goes into some detail about the usage of this kanji as a suffix (which is what we were looking for!):

being in the process of doing ダウンロード中　　ちゅう　　daunrōdo-chū downloading; download in progress メンテ中　　ちゅう　　mente-chū currently in maintenance インストール中　　ちゅう　　insutōru-chū installing 準備じゅんび中　　ちゅう　　junbichū currently in preparation

and goes on further to explain:

The distinction between じゅう (jū) and ちゅう (chū) can be somewhat confusing: じゅう (jū) means throughout, in all places, as in 一日中 (ichinichijū, “all day long”) or 体中 (karadajū, “throughout the body”), while ちゅう (chū) means within, but not everywhere, as in 授業中 (jugyōchū, “in class, during class”). Contrast “I worked on this all day long” with “I worked on this in class (but not necessarily for the entire time)”.

well, it makes sense somewhat. given the meaning of our original word, that is. this bit is referring to the difference in pronunciation between the definition i supplied as a suffix versus another due to pronunciation being the discriminating quality. ah, since i haven’t given a proper translation up to now, let’s take a look from wiktionary again. first as a noun:

入力 (hiragana にゅうりょく, rōmaji nyūryoku) input

and now as a verb:

入力する (hiragana にゅうりょく, rōmaji nyūryoku) input

there’s that pesky ～する again. the form first witnessed isn’t even listed. well, truthfully, i don’t dislike it since it’s an interesting linguistic feature. maybe checking out the page on ～する will shed a bit of light. nah.

so at this point there’s a little frustration. but i did find this interesting blast from the past. a question is asked by someone experiencing something that seems to be similar and the response to the question is too comfortably paste here but this is where the gold lies:

It's called 体言止め(taigen dome) which concludes the sentence with a noun or pronoun. What's the effect of using 体言止め？ -to make short (to omit) -to leave a reverbaration (being obscure) -to excercise one's(reader) imagenation etc...

followed up with some examples:

for example: A: 朝もやの中、海は光っていた B: 朝もやの中、光る海 A is usual sentence. A is easy to understand but some people say it is too fresh. If you saw B, you need to image the scean in your mind but this sentence is cool.

that kanji looks a bit familiar! but with a quick round of google translate, it’s not what you need here. but with the term from before, 体言止め, it becomes possible to explore this topic. except not really. I misunderstood, got excited, and then disappointed.

so what to do? i don’t give up too easily. i also don’t ask questions too easily. but i had to. and in the end i’m glad i asked where i did versus the more mature and sophisticated users of the jp stackexchange.

i jumped into a discord discussion and asked about it. the user active there informed me that ～中 does indeed mean someone is in the middle of something, a current action. but they also clarified that to use ～する as an interchangeable alternative doesn’t work and one should preferably use...

～している or ～しています

going back to mfuji’s post way up above reveals exactly as i’d done wrong! somehow i glossed over or parsed the text incorrectly and as a result threw the actual intention of their explanation out the window. since i planned to do a post about ～する as the next bitpiece, i didn’t involve myself in much details like conjugation. it simply didn’t cross my mind that when skimming the conjugation table, i completely missed the key. back to the wiktionary page and you have this:

Conjunctive 　　して　　shite

so i got to looking about for some grammatical explanation. して appears to be what is known as a て form which has many, many uses in japanese. this forum post on the japanese wordreference forum sparks a discussion that clears up the problems better than i could explain myself, and it’s just quicker to read through their post and replies without my susceptibility to misunderstand what people mean. i use this link as a collective way to explain a bunch of things related to the making of ～している and ～しています, also learning about the contracted form ～してる. these posts contain some things i’ll need to look further into. in this context, though, the meaning is clear enough for me. i’ll ask some friends from japan about the difference between using kanji and regular ～している or ～しています. or, of course, anyone can have some input.

it was all pretty tiring! but i have to admit i learned tons of stuff and have even more things to check out. i don’t know why mfuji used ～です in their reply and also don’t know how to approach differentiating between the kanji 中 and regular kana in use. furthermore, sometimes ～する verbs take on a different manner of operating. i’ll definitely look more into it and ended up coming out with more questions than going in, but i think this is how learning should be. thanks for reading, can’t believe anyone would read all this mess!

「射命丸は向こうでテニスをしています」あややや！

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