#venetian nico

[losergender]

"nico di angelo would lose his ability to speak venetian after bianca dies" is a very understandable headcanon but minoritarian languages losing speakers makes me very sad so i personally choose to think nico raises venetian ghosts to practice his venetian from time to time and make sure he doesn't lose it.

[cynicalclairvoyantcadaver]

Are we just going to ignore the fact that Chiara Benvenuti is Italian?

Excuse me-who's going to write that oneshot, drabble or fanfic of Chiara and Nico?

This is the perfect write for comedy and angst.

Because Nico speaks Italian, right? But he spoke Italian that he learnt before WWII in Italy in the 1930s. And Chiara probably speaks modern Italian.

I've seen some posts saying that Nico has a pre WWII Italian dialect which is different from modern Italian dialects, but I'm not sure about this-not that I would know, because I'm not Italian, but could the Italians of tumblr and PJO please tell me if this is true?

And imagine Chiara and Nico encountering each other, and being delighted because HEY, OH MY GOD, FINALLY ANOTHER ITALIAN!

But Chiara's delight turns to pure confusion as Nico begans talking in his dialect of Venetian and about 1930s Italy, because he's only been to Venice once after coming out of the Casino. Comedy.

And then she tells him all about modern Italy and he slowly has to take it in, and this is the perfect blend of angst and comedy.

The time travel really hits him now, and he wishes he could go back in time to before Maria had died and hurts so hard about his 1930s Italy. Angst.

End of post. Anyway..........someone write this please?

[the-ghost-king]

actually no we don't talk about nico who likes pirates enough. we don't talk enough about how he probably has a favorite pirate. we don't talk enough about how he probably has a favorite ship. we don't talk enough about how he probably has a favorite shipwreck too. we don't talk enough about how he probably spent all day on the canals with the gondole, asking the gondoliers all sorts of questions about their boats until his mother had to pull him away. how many hours did he spend on the port of venice just watching the boats come in and leave? just.... how far does the love of pirates go? is it a love of boats too? like we know he loves (I refuse to believe it's past tense) pirates, but we don't even know if he knows how to swim, or if he likes being on cruises, or at the beach or what. it's sad.

[butt-puncher]

Nico is good at glass blowing

[cocrante]

I find it really canon that Nico is unable to speak English properly when he's angry. It's a sentiment I understand and share, especially now

And I'll add my own headcanon:

not only Nico is unable to speak English well when is angry, but he doesn't even speak Italian. Instead, he switches to the Venetian dialect, which consists of a circuit of curses aimed at catching the attention of our vast and personal pantheon of Angels and Saints

[nicohate]

rick riordan making nico venetian is so funny actually

[yunyun-soso]

More Niccolò di Angelo content

nico di angelo: nico who is actually niccolò, a name he uses rarely, quietly, carefully. something not everyone can say, nor grasp the importance of. niccolò di angelo, son of an italian woman, brother of an italian girl, grandson of an italian man and diplomat: blood as red and vibrant as caravaggio’s death of the virgin flows through his veins, his complexion carries the faint memory of olives and the liquid they produce, a memory of where he comes from, of home. niccolò: a name of most significant power and presence, owned by many before him. before niccolò di angelo there was niccolò “ugo” foscolo, before niccolò foscolo there was niccolò machiavelli: a legacy of writers, poets who made history with the sole movement of their hand holding a quill. he, too, will carry their memory, spread his word about the generations that led to his existence. he will see the sun shining bright in the sky and bask in the light and warmth it brings, because who is he if he doesn’t appreciate the pieces of home that follow him wherever he goes? he will look at the night sky and think of galileo, of leopardi’s poems, and he will remember the loud laughter of his mamma and the tight embraces of his nonna. he will make food for his loved ones with all the passion and affection his heart can carry and, for an instant, be brought back to that one tiny, hidden street, now long forgotten, in venice, where his home once stood, and in that instant he will reminisce and smile at the consciousness that he carries his own bloodline and origins with him, always.

[himynameis4]

Not me researching how Venetian Church records addressed legitimacy for my di Angelo family timeline

[nicodisigma]

solangelo headcanons part 11!

Will, as child of Apollo, is as scared of snakes as children of Athena are scared of spiders. He absolutely PANICS.

Nico is very protective of his boyfriend and his instincts always make him grab Will or cover Will with his body whenever some danger occurs.

Once Apollo visited camp and Nico didn’t know about it. He mistook Apollo for Will and he threw his arms around Apollo’s neck. Nico had never been this embarrassed before (Apollo didn’t even realize that this was a mistake).

Will is always mentioned by campers as #1 example of demigods taking after their godly parents. He’s VERY similar to his father. And everyone at CHB knows that the Naomi Solace is ginger, not blond. So him taking after Apollo is very obvious and visible especially that Apollo shows up at camp way more often than other gods.

Nico on the other hand doesn’t seem to inherit any features from his godly parent, as Maria di Angelo also had dark hair and dark eyes, just like Hades. His face also doesn’t evoke associations with his father.

Nico does speak the venetian language (dialect), and he’s as natural with it as with italian, so he’s referring to english as his 3rd language!

[losersolace]

nico’s transition from calling will “significant annoyance” to “boyfriend” is great BUT calling him “il mio ragazzo” or even better the dialect “me moroso” is so important to me !! even though idk who’d speak in venetian with him lol but can you IMAGINE getting to call someone the same gender as you your partner, in the same language you first heard that same thing was a sin and then never heard again after that? the first language you were ever insulted in, because of who you are?

[delicate-sketch]

Carnevale di Venezia

Because I think it's a crime Nico being a venetian and having between none to nothing fanarts being extra and wearing a costume

[etheriaolympics]

thinking about how nico probably only speaks in a venetian dialect (and one from pre wwii) so realistically anyone from camp who knows italian probably struggles to understand him and i think that’s kinda funny

[losergender]

nico di angelo whose mother tongue is not italian but actually vèneto/venetian is so important to me!!! (am i italian? no! but i am a linguistics student who also speaks a minoritized romance language). he usually speaks italian at camp bc he associates venetian with his family, but he always counts in venetian, he reads numbers in venetian, stuff like days of the week and basic vocabulary too. will picks up an italian A1 textbook one, sees 50% of the basic stuff doesn't match with what nico says and decides that his boyfriend just uses a very outdated lexic, or maybe he forgot the language, or maybe it has something to do with dyslexia. obviously chiara from cabin 19 is the first one to find out that the boy is simply a polyglot (venetian, italian, english + ancient greek) but she delays on telling will because watching him struggle to understand the situation is hilarious

[aroaceleovaldez]

Mark Oshiro confuses me a little bit not going to lie. In the press tour for the first book all they ever talked about was how Nico is their son and Will is fine I guess. Then they said like 2 weeks before TSATS came out that they didn't understand Will's character at all and it's one of the main reasons why Will has so little POV.

Possibly unpopular opinion but I don't think it's a good, encouraging sign when the writer admits to not really caring about the deuteragonist or not even having a sense of how to write them...

Yeah, no. If you have no interest in 1/2 of the POV characters of your book, you REALLY shouldn't be writing it (or at least, not have that be a main character). Especially when the main way TSATS could have been improved is if it was primarily Will-centric instead of Nico-centric. Will basically had next to no established character prior to TSATS! He was practically a blank slate! But all the new stuff we got for Will in TSATS was so clearly disinterested and had no regard for his previously established traits (or the established timeline/canon). Which is annoying because fleshing out Will would have been the PERFECT opportunity to actually incorporate a lot of the topics that Mark Oshiro specializes in as a sensitivity reader, which was the ENTIRE REASON THEY WERE BROUGHT ON AS A CO-AUTHOR!!!!

As TSATS stands, there is no reason for Mark Oshiro specifically to have been the co-author instead of someone else. It's so clearly just a PR move from RR following the huge backlash Rick received due to his response to criticism on how he wrote Piper and Samirah (and Reyna and etc etc). This was immediately following Rick saying he wasn't going to write what would become TSATS because "it [wasn't his] place to." Most of the topics that Mark Oshiro specializes in either weren't relevant at all to TSATS or written very poorly (to downright offensively) in TSATS, so either Mark Oshiro wasn't doing their job or was not able to do their job for some reason, but either way it basically makes the theoretical justification for Mark Oshiro being the co-author/sensitivity reader irrelevant.

With Will, it was HUGE fanon back in the day for him to be trans. Trans!Will and photokinesis!Will were basically the two biggest headcanons for him (both largely popularized by Cherryandsisters). We know Rick is aware of this old fanon because he canonized photokinesis!Will. If we had gotten trans!Will, that would have been great! And then made sense why we specifically got a trans co-author! (Instead, if anything, TSATS canonized Will being cis.) If we had gotten Will being latino, that would have been amazing!!!! And also then made sense as to why they chose Mark Oshiro for the job as a latinx author/sensitivity-reader, versus potentially choosing an Italian co-author since Nico being Italian/Venetian was emphasized so much in the book (and done poorly! Yknow what they could have done to fix that? GOTTEN A SENSITIVITY READER FOR IT)! Based on the themes and focuses actually present in the book, it would have been most logical to get a queer, neurodivergent, Italian co-author or sensitivity reader who specializes in those three topics at least. But we didn't! So why was Mark Oshiro chosen instead when they only specialize in one of those topics? PR reasons. It's blatantly entirely PR reasons and no actual thought or care was put into this book (or, likely, TSATS 2 either).

It doesn't help that we're also actively being told that the published version of TSATS was a rough draft. Or that their editor blatantly isn't doing her job. Or that "The Sun And The Star" was the working title that they just kept cause they didn't bother to make an actual title. And that the final version is full of explicitly last-minute scenes that weren't checked over at all (the final Bianca scene, for one). Or the ACTIVELY ADMITTING TO SOURCING IDEAS AND INFORMATION FROM FANS! That last one is kind of important because at this level of publishing that is a HUGE no-no for legal reasons. You can get into a lot of trouble for that and there is a reason why it is Ye Olde Fandom Law to never try to pitch your ideas or headcanons to the source creator(s) and keep fandom separate from the creators. There is a REASON why Rick Riordan is so distant from the community these days and it's for PROTECTION AGAINST LEGAL REPERCUSSION. Mark Oshiro being the exact opposite while also ACTIVELY ACKNOWLEDGING sourcing concepts from fans does not bode well! It has to do with copyright stuff.

It's just. So. Sighhhhhhhh >->o <- me lying on the floor about all of this. It's sad being able to see the glimmer of what could have been at the very least a decent book underneath all this. If anyone involved in the process had actually cared just the tiniest amount.

[thetrashthatsmilesback]

Nico should actually speak Venetian, not Italian, but he DOES speak Italian, so headcanon that Nico and Bianca were raised trilingual (as opposed to bilingual which is technically canon).

Canon: raised speaking English and Italian

My theory: raised speaking Venetian, Italian, and English

Also, I am aware that Venetian is often referred to as a dialect rather than a distinct language, but many linguists today do consider it a distinct language.

The bbc link is attached above but here's some more about Venetan

https://www.omniglot.com/writing/venetian.htm

https://web.archive.org/web/20140827110429if_/http://www.linguasphere.info/lcontao/tl_files/pdf/master/OL-SITE%201999-2000%20MASTER%20ONE%20Sectors%205-Zones%2050-54.pdf

https://glottolog.org/resource/languoid/id/vene1258 (glottolog my beloved, I had to use this site so much for my linguistics class)

https://brill.com/display/book/9789004252523/B9789004252523_027.xml (I plan on seeing if I can access this book in full through my school, but the preview is concise)

[goddessofwisdom18]

no thoughts head empty just nico being venetian and jason being roman