#undertale downfall

[fineapplequeen]

Oh yeah baby let's fucking gooooo, I've been waiting over half a year to get chapter 35 out I'm so fuckin pumped!!! BIG spoliers in the comic ahead, NO lineart, you'll take my crappy sketches and you'll LIKE it!!

Scribbly makes my chest feel bubbly

[nixii-sabre]

All of my comfort characters ive had through the years!!

[ageless-soul-au]

Mizu's lines and Kio's colors!! It'd be cool if the ghosty baby could pop out of walls, huh?

Flicker belongs to ASAU, please don't tag any other AUs 💚

[onlyplatonicirl]

@lightyearssurrogatedaddy i saw your tags lol. cue incoming characterization essay because i dont want to do my homework:

I've actually attributed the sunk-cost fallacy to Error's mindset on multiple occasions, and it's something I'm going to be referencing in my writing when it comes up.

The sunk-cost fallacy is the core principle in regards to Error's character and why he does the things he does in TCOTI. You have this character (error) who has spent his entire life dedicated to an impossible goal: complete annihilation. At first it didn't really seem to matter whether or not it was pheasable - it was just something he felt that needed to happen. He made it his life's goal, he became the villian of the entire multiverse to see his plan through for what he thought would right the mess and clutter of a chaotic world that shouldn't have even existed. Of course, it's a stupid plan, and he has that plan because he's literally insane. Error's spent an untold amount of time in a white void, both his mind and body warping to an unrecognizable degree. His view of the world is skewed, and he sees things different than others - while being stubborn and refusing to listen to anyone's thoughts but himself.

My story (but you can apply this to potentially any story involving Error because I personally feel like it's on par with his character) takes place at least a century in the future. Time does not matter to world-walking immortals. He is no closer to his goal than when he first started. Why would he? Error is essentially trying to stop an immutable force of nature - the deviance of timelines and branching pathways of the multiverse. (And if we're taking the canon route in regards to creators, then he's attempting to stop people from creating.) It's a completely impossible task. Universes are created at a much quicker rate than he can destroy them.

Even in a hypothetical situation where he achieves his goal and nothing but the original universe remains, it's going to branch off again eventually. His goal of "killing everything and then himself" would never last because once he's gone, there won't be anyone else left to "take out the trash" that will once again branch off and spread through the entire multiverse. Not that it's ever even gotten to that point though.

And like a said - He's crazy. These aren't really concerns of his, nor is he following sound logic or reason to his plan. But while he is crazy, he is not stupid.

How long do you think it would take him before he realizes he isn't getting anywhere? That everything he destroys just ends up replacing itself in one form or another? My story is a hypothetical century later. He may be able to stall the growth by killing off a main universe, or potentially backtracking the progress, but it's not the same as permanently making a dent in the net growth. And perhaps he's eased himself into that routine, into being content with just keeping things at an even level of creation and destruction. But it's not the goal he has centered his entire existence around- and eventually in the very subconscious of his mind, after an uncountable amount of time doing the same thing his whole life -running on a treadmill towards nowhere - does he begin to wonder why he's still doing this.

It wouldn't even register to him as a fully formed thought. It would be a nagging feeling in his gut, a general unease. It would take him years to even recognize that something is wrong, to try and think about things that go against his ideology and his reason to be, as stubborn and narcissistic as he is. But eventually it surfaces as a fully formed thought:

Why is he still doing this?

He had a reason back then, but it's going no where. It's been ages. decades. Almost nothing has changed.

But the simple fact is, he can never really answer that thought. Because he has been on this path for so long, there is nothing else left for him outside of it.

Sunk-cost fallacy.

If he stops, if he tries to seek out an alternate path, than what was EVERYTHING he worked for for YEARS and YEARS even for?? He went through so much pain, he's isolated from the rest of the multiverse as a villain, he has solidified his place in the world. If he ever stopped, it would be admitting to himself that every second of his long existence so far has been a waste. That he has done nothing with himself, and that he worked for nothing but the insane whims of a corrupted mind, towards an unachievable goal.

The world continues to move on. The multiverse continues to grow and change. And he remains, destroying, and convincing himself that he's fine with forever keeping balence.

Because what else does he have left?

And the question he doesn't even think to consider: What of the future?

[greetings-inferiors]

Yesterday I cried myself to sleep about the tragedy of hallownest and the feeling that I can’t describe that it gives me, especially the city of tears with Marissa’s song, and so should you.

[movedtodykedvonte]

One thing that struck me about how thorough Spamton's fall from grace really was is that SCC don't recognize him at all. They're from a younger generation and probably weren't born/were very young at the height of his popularity but it just shows that there is NO surviving record of the guy anywhere. He's effectively been erased so well that now no one born after his downfall even knows his name.

I am a firm believer that Spamton wasn't wiped from any data-based or erased from anything. I think the reason SCC don't know him isn't even a lack of historical relevance in the Cyber World for Spamton but an all too realistic and more upsetting occurrence. The world moved on.

He's effectively a pop culture icon for cyber world darkeners, he was the car guy the big shot, but his legacy surpasses him to the point you don't actually know him. There's a record, we can tell by the old carts with his face or the big shot bow tie, or even the old poster. Yes, some of it is obscured in canon but it is a sign he has a lasting presence. He's like an old jingle you can recognize but you don't know the company or name. If you looked him up I'd reckon cyber citizens would find something but there's not really anything inciting a reason to as most probably believe he's dead.

He's a word-of-mouth myth at this point, something you have to be tipped off to as he kinda was like a passing trend. Trends get forgotten but that doesn't mean they were erased it's just you gotta look harder now as so many new ones have also came n went.

[lightyearssurrogatedaddy]

this smut fic wasn't actually supposed to GO somewhere, Ink. I've never read Undertale smut in my entire life and at this point I'm just as lost as the characters.

[p3pto-bysmal]

Harsh reminder to anyone that was into undertale in 2016

[gorgojijijijito]

k my ipad had been doing stupid lately so i had to stall a bit but heres some doodle dumps ig

anyone who hasnt had a concha from the valley (and an actual concha not those convenience store ones) or mexico needs to go grab one rn

idc if you live in maine or overseas YOU GET OVER HERE RN AND YOU GRAB. A CONCHA OF YOUR CHOICE OF SUGAR, THEYVE GOT WHITE YELLOW BROWN PINK ALL DIFFERENT KINDS SO U HAVE NO EXCUSE

then u get a water bottle as backup bc TRUST ME. u need smth to wash that down with

and then u CHOW DOWN AND ENJOY THE TASTE. MMMMMMMMMMMMMMM RIGHT

[derpyjackarts]

COTL x UT: Asriel Crownbearer AU

In this AU, the Dreemurrs were royalties and had their own kingdom. The Dreemurrs knew about the Bishops' Goat genocide because did nothing due to their pacifist nature. Asriel wanted to save the goats but ended up getting his parents killed leading to his kingdom's downfall. After the fall, Asriel became not only the only surviving Dreemurr but also the last goat in the world. Due to the guilt of his action, he was led to believe the mindset of "Kill or Be Killed" as he was getting executed by the Bishop. Since Asriel is the last goat, Narinder chose him to be his disciple and the Crownbearer.

There are also other Undertale characters in this AU!

Undyne in this AU originally started off as Kallamar's follower, but after seeing the goat genocide, she quits his cult due to her huge sense of justice. She later meets Asriel during his crusade and becomes one of his most loyal followers vowing to avenge the deaths of the goats and his parents. Since she was trained by Kallamar, she has been a skillful fighter and become the head guard of the cult.

[transesyourgranddukes]

SUPER LONG RAMBLING I WROTE DUE TO that link to the villains section of the hays code wikipedia article at the end and your point about Dess wanting to find ppl like her in the form of queer representation , which made me think back to the secret bosses and how they're characterized

so far they have been shown to be queer in some way + antagonistic to the main trio + linked to the figurative devil and have their own (fallen) angel/demon imagery . they and the rest of the darkners are “meant to serve lightners” , and with how lightners interacting with dark worlds represent people interacting with fiction , darkners are fictional characters meant to help/represent people

queerness in jevil being implied to have a relationship with seam (who is nonbinary) , and spamton trying to get himself a new body (trans coding) along with being confirmed mspec

not to mention their ties to the holiday family

particularly noelle , who is smiled at by the devilsknife and finds spamton's garbage dump place to be nostalgic

notably , Noelle , a queer character , finds comfort in those two (except for spamton during weird route , aside from the obvious influencing-the-killing-spree-by-you-and-your-childhood-friend-is-BAD , it is also a case of heteronormativity being imposed upon her by him through the thorn ring and his comments about her and kris . but that's another conversation)

jevil and spamton are people who have been outcast and failed by society in some way, left to rot in jail or abandoned to live in a garbage can , which could resonate with dess, who is ALSO alone somewhere horrible and cold and lonely (going off of her being in the code) , and whose disappearance could be read as her running from the town that she feels has failed her as a queer person and trying to make her own freedom (like jevil claiming he is free in his cell)

additionally the act of disappearing could be her rebelling(?) against and running from the expectations set upon her (like spamton trying to prove he can make it big without being puppeteered. although dess presumably had more positive expectations, expectations are still constricting to the ppl they affect)

tldr: dess , in a similar way to her sister but for a different reason , could possibly find comfort in the secret bosses through how they parallel her own issues with herself and her environment , akin to a queer person finding comfort in queer characters that reflect their own issues/situation

here’s a loosely speculative and rambly queer reading of dess that i sort of accidentally wrote just now. enjoy ?? ?

the more i think on it the more i think like. yeah noelle might very well be canonically a transgirl. as a lot of people have speculated, we might get the subtext when the mayor and dess are revealed to be does without antlers — we have the “horned girl and her sister” line, and it does seem a little odd that the story is so far withholding information on the mayor or dess’s appearances. and aside from the confirmation just being dope as hell on its own merits, i also think it might matter in relation to dess’s possible conflicts as a metaphorically queer person in a small town, maybe specifically with her mother

because the thing is, queerphobia literally doesn’t exist in utdr’s universes as far as we can tell. it doesn’t make sense for their mom to be angry with dess for being trans, gay, or GNC, because being those things isn’t considered rebellious or deviant in this world — it’s perfectly within the range of normal. it fits within her mother’s worldview. noelle is a trans lesbian and as far as we can tell it’s perfectly fine; their mom probably wouldn’t be upset either way if dess continued to be her daughter or came out as her son or as her nonbinary child. the mayor herself is gender-nonconforming — a tough, powerful woman in a position of high authority who can punch a man so hard that he blacks out.

but that doesn’t mean there can’t still be queer-flavored conflicts — perhaps a parent upset with her child for pursuing hobbies and passions that she thinks are inappropriate for her, that aren’t in line with what she understands or respects; for not dressing or behaving or growing up in the ways she thinks her children should. a parent angry with her child for not following rules that, in her mind, are in the child’s best interests to follow — rules that she thinks should protect dess from a world that just Wouldn’t Be Kind To Someone Like Her. a parent feeling personally attacked when her child chooses a new name for herself, rejecting the one she gave to her. a parent feeling hurt and abandoned when the person her child chooses to be in the world isn’t the person she expected or wanted.

to very briefly speculate on specifics: consider the possibility that, while rudy and noelle only ever refer to dess by her chosen name, the mayor may insist on calling her “december.” and, while it does make sense in-universe for someone to suspect the worst from dess’s vanishing, consider the imagery of a parent possibly considering her young adult child “dead” after that person made choices for herself that she found frightening and confusing.

noelle, while arguably just as “queer” as dess (see her quiet fascination with the weird and strange, and her desire to be closer with both susie and kris, both characters who, aside from being literally queer, are also very metaphorically queer in their own rights) might be avoiding this conflict by essentially “closeting” herself around her mom — minimizing herself as a form of self-preservation (for example, stifling her emotional outbursts while playing video games so her mom doesn’t know she’s playing them). this is of course oppressive to her, as well — it’s simply that noelle has traditionally prioritized her safety, while dess may have prioritized her liberty. dess, while perhaps not literally queer like noelle, is metaphorically “out,” and while being out has its own rewards, it may have cost her their mom’s sympathy and respect.

none of this is to preemptively demonize the mayor — we haven’t even met her yet — but to speculate on a possible character flaw that could reasonably have driven dess away, and may be redeemed over the course of the story. the mayor may need to redeem herself before dess can, or is willing to, return.

and i don’t think it’s just her mom. i think her mom, as the town’s mayor, might be in part representative of dess’s relationship to the town itself — a small, insular community that dess feels limits her choices and opportunities, especially as a young adult with big dreams. we know she dreamed of taking noelle to the big city someday.

…something i think about a lot is the line about dess wearing asriel’s jacket — how classically Straight and heteronormative that imagery is. to be clear, that’s not in any way meant as a knock on the legitimacy of dess and asriel’s relationship itself (i have some more nuanced thoughts on dessriel, and the value it has thematically or whatever, that i don’t really think are really relevant here. but i don’t think dessriel is in any way bad LOL), nor does it mean that i think asriel or their relationship is necessarily heteronormative in the literal sense (asriel himself is arguably GNC from the little bit we currently know about him).

it’s more that the framing here seems to emphasize how traditional and exceedingly “normal” the relationship was considered to be, something that may have been at odds with dess’s interests and ambitions as a young, “queer” person. asriel is quite literally the boy next door — sweet, nice, non-threatening. they grew up together; their parents and little siblings are close friends. they’re a boy and a girl in a perfect narrative position to date — hiro and mari — so of course they did. who else would she have dated? pizzapants? meangirl bratty? i could see her feeling boxed in to that option, among so many other options she felt she never had a real say in. asriel may be a great boyfriend, healthy and stable and exceedingly normal, but who’s to say she wanted “normal”? what if she wanted something queer?

if we think about why dess might have run away, why she would have wanted to escape, and why she might have found the fantasy of the dark worlds so captivating that she lost herself to them, i think this could be one way to read into it. dess is — at least metaphorically — a young, queer person, lonely and existentially bored in a small town that cares about her but, from her perspective, doesn’t seem to really understand her, doesn’t give her the option to really be who she wants to be. maybe she just wanted to find another queer person like her. and, who knows — maybe she did.

[serv0z]

ignoring the boop war in my activity rn, this is what i REALLY came here to post !!! Clover is obv from Undertale Yellow and Olive is from Undertale Green: Kindness ^-^ More yapping below :3

It's incredibly hard to come up with like 8 designs on the spot and try to add more details to them. Olive is just the first thing I think of when I think of the green soul nkjdsfdnks I might make my own design for them some day !! But not today ^-^ I'm not 100% on the name "Nina" either, but it's the only one I could find or think of at the time so recommendations welcome!!! Little more info, I like to think of Chara as the oldest and so they're currently the tallest. They fell probably around the same age as Frisk did but they!! Lived with the Dreemurrs for a few years before dying! They also have little dimples. Frisk I imagine is pretty adventurous and accident prone and that's how they fell. They always have a box of band aids with them but they lost it in the fall. Blake,, I messed up their height in this but they fell because that wanted a "real challenge" to fight ! The bandaids and bandages are from what they call "training". Alice fell because she had been "exploring" when she was really abandoned up there. They considers their ribbon their "goodluck charm" Nina (name pending), has sectoral heterochromia. They fell on accident while on a trip nd I like to think she's very a confident and bold person. Percy fell on purpose!! They were too curious about monsterkind to let it be which would be their downfall. They've got a deep love for music of all sorts nd they've def killed a monster on accident nd thats how they learned about the dusting,, Nina and Percy aren't the only two who dusted monsters either out of self-defense or on accident, many mistakes were made with several of the fallen. Also a fun little detail to note !! In the Omega Flowey fight in Undertale when you're being attacked by souls and then heal the souls colors change !! And yeah its probably just an invert, i put a little nod to it like how Clover has a fire patch stitched onto their chest pocket and how Blake is covered in bandages and bandaids, etc.

[yourloveaton]

Hi! I saw all your AU art just recently and noticed you were saying we can ask you about it! (ITS SUCH AWESOME ART BTW I ADORE IT THE WAY YOU DRAW THEM IS AKAKAKKDMSMAMD!!!!)

I don’t have a specific question, but I do want to know more about it.

So can you just tell me anything about it?

Ahhh THANK YOU SO MUCH !!! I’m so happy that you liked my au art and wanna know more about it !! You have no idea how much joy that makes me feel 🥹💖

Well I can tell you some info and facts about the au, how I’m planning to develop it and all that !! It’s still fairly new and I did it out of nowhere at 3 am in the morning because I thought of my old ideas that I had years ago when undertale was on it’s prime but I was too young to bring ideas to life properly HAHAHA I hope my writing doesn’t bore you!

The au is pretty much founded on the idea of what if Sans also used to be a royal guard when he was younger? Boom. That’s where it spiralled and now I don’t know how revert back to who I was before because I ended up doodling a lot of undertale stuff along with the au, it didn’t help with the fact that my very good beloved friend kept encouraging me and feeding my inner demons of my undertale brainrot HAHAHA

I’m planning to develop the au into 2 parts: Before Undertale and after Undertale.

Before undertale is basically the events that happened before the plot of Undertale took place while after undertale is when they’re finally on the surface and the events that will happen on there! Sounds very generic and common I know, that’s why I’m going to try and develop it to be a bit different and hope that the au is not boring or developed horribly :’D It will take some time though since I know developing an au with a unique plot is gonna be very challenging, there are so many ways to mess it up and aghhh I really don’t wanna mess it up TT

Here are the main cast of the before undertale, this is a very OLD sketch that I made to figure out who’s there and how old they would be before I proceed to develop on the characters. So their heights might not be as accurate as it is in the sketch.

Also DISCLAIMER, Alphys and Undyne never met in before Undertale, so just know there’s no weird agenda going on here! They first met during Undertale plot when they’re both adults (Alphys 29, Undyne 23) so it’s all good!! I thought I needed to point that out because the age gap might seem alarming at first glance knowing they’re officially a couple 🙏 The before undertale plot begins at the age displayed on the sketch, and it ends after uhh.. 10 years? Yeah it’s ten years of events before the main undertale story starts!

I do want to portray the skele family with wholesome moments and you know, how great they are! Well that is before the downfall but we ain’t talking about that for now !! They’re just so beloved to me and I know they were such a sweet family AND WOULD HAVE VERY FUNNY MOMENTS IN WHICH I WANNA DRAW IT OUT!! So yeah, stay tuned for silly mini comics of them eheh

At first, I wanted Trickster (yes I’m calling his royal guard nickname, it’s like a whole different persona of his (alter ego???) where he’s energetic and acts very silly, whimsical, presenting puzzles and quizzes to his opponents sometimes but also can be very intimidating and prove that yeah, there’s a reason why he can be like that cuz it’s HIM) to be nothing more than a mischievous silly royal guard that wanted to keep causing trouble for Gaster but then it grew to be a bigger thing where he unintentionally became the symbol of hope and an entertainer for the whole underground before Trickster disappeared without a trace(?)

I’m still working on this whole concept so not everything is settled yet!! Well what I can also say about Trickster is that Alphys might be involved with the whole Trickster business too eheh

I’ve been practicing on drawing the characters so that I can draw better for this little au project of mine, I hope I can share my progress with you guys as things go on !!!

That’s the general stuff I’ve thought of so far, I hope you enjoy reading ! Thank you for reading and do feel free to ask whenever you have questions about the au or anything else :D✨✨✨✨

[delta-drawsarts]

Opinions on Undertale Characters? [Yes that includes the Yellow ones... for obvious reasons]

Love them. Toby Fox did a masterpiece of writing Undertale and Mastersword did a phenomenal job making a prequel that made me cry at the Pacifist ending. And he did such a banger job at writing Flowey's character before the events of canon Undertale.

Though I do see some flaws in some characters. Toriel left Asgore, and her kingdom after war was declared on humanity from the deaths of her children. Instead of taking action to prevent this, she fled like a coward. And what's worse, where she could've accompanied the fallen children, she just left them to go out and die, knowing they didn't stand a chance against the Monsters of the Underground. In a way, she isn't any better than Asgore since she was indirectly responsible for those kids deaths.

Asgore never wanted war, he regretted his decree after his anger had simmered down. His children are gone, his wife left him, and now he has burdened his people with war, even if they hold onto hope of seeing the sun again. And it makes me wonder... What would have happened if he did acquire all 7 human souls? Would he have gone through with it?

For Undertale Yellow, my biggest issue is how Ceroba and Chujin's relationship is portrayed and its downfall. Chujin was an engineer, and probably a good one for that matter (With the space heater at the Honeydew Resort and possibly the filter in the Oasis?) but when making Axis he overlooked casualties. He let his ego think what he made was perfect, and that costed him his job. And instead of being honest with his wife, the person he should TRUST the most to confine to, he lied. Said he retired. And then blows all their savings to make a huge house. Ceroba had to take a job she hated while he traveled around the Underground. And his grudge against humans and his fear that if another one fell it'd be worse than the Snowdin Attack, he experimented with things he could not understand. And he withered away day by day, and on his death bed he burdens his wife to carry on his legacy. A legacy she had NO idea about, and quite frankly how was she suppose to? She didn't have the smarts like him.

Ceroba was so blindsided that her husband was perfect in every way, that whatever he did was for the benefit of Monsterkind. Serums can't make a Monster stronger, we've seen this with the DT and Integrity substances being put into Monsters. The only way for someone to be stronger from a human soul is to absorb it, not extract from it. Though that could likely mean two people would be at the steering wheel, human and monster, and it could be disastrous.

I'm not saying Ceroba's a bad mom when she used the serum on her daughter. It was a desperate act to fulfill Chujin's legacy, and despite his wishes to keep Kanako out of it, she gave in when she pleaded for her mom to inject her with it.

The contrast between the Dreemurs and Ketsukane families are just that: Mistakes that their children pay for. Asgore burdens himself and his people with war. Chujin burdens Ceroba with his legacy. Toriel thinks she's good by protecting the children who fall, but ultimately their blood is on her hands regardless. Ceroba believes what she does in UTY is for the benefit of Monsterkind, but it only hurts the people she cares about.

Chara was pressured to be the hope of Monsterkind, willing them to have their brother take their soul and retrieve more souls only for it to fail horribly, and thus they both perish. Kanako was the same, wanting to be used for a untested serum so she could help Monsterkind, only for it to make her fall down and eventually turn into an Amalgamate.

PHEW! Jeez, I really rambled on there didn't I?

[the-true-alphaverse-project]

Some of my hot takes for the fandom. I have no desire to insult anybody with these, these are only my opinions. But now onto the hot takes:

Dusttale is a better written than Dreamtale once we consider the novels. For more elaboration, one of the three creators of Dusttale had written a bunch of novels that are considered semi canon to the narrative. These novels detail and show the downfall of Sans from being The Judge to becoming The Genocider. Each part of the novel, which is available in AO3 though in the Korean language, is a delight to read and some parts of it even gave me chills. It made Dusttale from just a mediocre AU for me to one of the best aus, a straight 7/10. It's not the best but the side novels definitely need attention.

Error!Sans is genuinely stronger than many people make him out to be. While he's definitely not the immortal invincible destroyer that the majority of the fandom portrayed as. He's also not as harmless, remember he has canonically admitted to destroying universes before. We even see him during when he destroying a universe, the Undyne one where he first met Core. So yeah, while I still ain't buying him as a super strong entity that most of the fandom portrays him as, I also don't buy him as harmless. He's somewhere in the middle for me, a decently strong guy who's still a dork/loser, it's literally one of his best traits for me.

Execution is the most important thing when it comes to writing. Even bad ideas can be incredibly good if they are executed well. Dusttale novels are a good example since they turned a bad and boring idea, Sans kills everyone for lv to defeat the human, into a good read.

The problem with the over sansification in the fandom with most outcodes turning out to be Sans is that most of them don't have effort put into them. There are genuinely very few new Sans outcodes I have seen that have actual effort put into them or any story besides a summary. It is this factor that often paints them in a bad light and makes people lose interest. A good written character would always attract people regardless if its a Sans or any other Undertale character and vice versa for bad written.

Axetale is kinda solid as an au and should definitely be noticed more.

Again just my opinions and I don't mean to offend anyone with them. That is all.

Link for the Dusttale side novels

[movedtodykedvonte]

Honestly, If this piece of shit would do something like this, give people clues and make them think someone kidnapped him, i hope someone would kick his ass after finding out about it. I mean, it sounds kind of funny in thoughts, but imagine worrying about a missing person, just to find out that this ass was making gun of you the whole time

Though maybe he would actually hide, on be completely oblivious to anything not about mansion, NEO etc ┐⁠(⁠ ⁠∵⁠ ⁠)⁠┌

It’s just thoughts but I think he’s purposely ignore it or think it was a trick. Whatever exactly went down deeply disturbed and traumatized him to the point he doesn’t think he needs anyone despite the constant cries for help and inherent desire to not be lonely. Like in all actuality he might leave little traces of his existence around subconsciously cause the coherent and stable parts of his mind just want security but that’s overruled by whatever corrupted him and his thoughts of heaven/freedom/rebigshotification.

To him it’s all just to mock him, I don’t think he has the ability to see anything not incited by him or that is not a deal that is also beneficial to his well being as a trick. The intentions to ridicule and insult him further. The only way I feel like anyone would know what actually went down is after the fun gang dealt with him or if they put like a $1.50 in a raccoon trap and waited long enough.