#twisted Wonderland book 4

[the-orion-inexpirience]

I always say book 4 devolves into a comedy as soon as the octotrio step a foot into the narrative

[skyenish]

There must’ve been some good memories there, right?

Do you think there were moments where Jamil genuinely had fun, or was happy? There must’ve been, right?

[lovesoflauryn]

Book 6 Is No Joke!!!

I definitely see why it’s a fan favorite. I haven’t been this hooked on the story since Book 4, which is my favorite book so far.

Definitely enjoining it more than the last book. I had a hard time finishing book 5 and overall wasn’t the biggest fan of it.

If book 6 continues like this, it might become my new favorite. People have warned me about the difficulty in the battles. So I am scared about lol. But overall I’m excited for the story 💙

[the-travelling-witch]

i think twst book 4’s plot twist would’ve been way funnier if, instead of borrowing floyd’s unique magic, azul just wasn’t wearing his glasses and couldn’t see shit

[polart-lol]

Just a little Scarabia angst I made a while ago!! Book 4 broke my heart, and the dynamic between Jamil and Kalim hurts me😭😭

NOT A SHIP!!!

[turnaboutspoiler]

What. The. Fuck. Is. Snake Charmer.

As I recently downloded the eng ver of the game and currently am replaing the main story I'm failing not to notice these kind of changes. I'm sure a lot of people already cried about it but I just can't be silent here. I could understand when they changed "unique magic" to "special spell" (cause it kinda makes sense), I didn't really care about changing Sam's design, but... THIS??

So the original name of Jamil's unique magic (I'm gonna use this version here, bc I'm used to it) was Snake Whisper. And for some reason the official localization changed it to Snake Charmer. And I was trying to understand their way of thinking and that's my guess.

Snake charming is a process of hypnotizing the snake by the music. Thus, a snake charmer is a person who performs the act, the master of the snake. I'm pretty sure everyone knows how exactly this thing looks like: a person with a flute plays some music making their snake to "dance" to it. And I believe the original name of Jamil's UM was actually a reference to this performance as its point is using hypnosis on people making them do everything "the master"says.

But here's the thing: they made it twisted! Jamil is a servant by his social status. He'll never be able to become someone's master. His role was determined from the moment he was born. And still he has this ability to control other people. In Book 4 we see how Jamil manipulating whole dorm and his master, Kalim, for personal reasons. So the point is

hi is NOT the master, he IS a snake.

A snake who swaps roles with its master. A snake which makes its own master dance by its own music. And that music is Snake Whisper.

I believe THAT was the original meaning of the name of his UM. Even Jamil's surname, Viper, is a reference to a type of snakes, not to mention he has a lot snake-y details in his designs.

And that's why Snake Charmer makes no sense for me. They just lost the meaning here, if not completely changed it. Not to mention that UMs are always pronounsed in english so it's utterly hilarious to hear one thing but to see completely the other. So if you started TWST on eng ver I highly recommend you to reread it with old fashioned fantranslations.

But again, these are just my thoughts on the matter. Thank you for reading!

[sebaztianlovesgeek]

[chuuyxs]

I'm still playing twisted wonderland and I really like it

BUT BY GOD WHY IS THE JAMIL BOSS FIGHT SO HARD?!

I have my cards all up to 50-55. I tried to get the elements that Jamil is weak to but I don't have that many. But istg I just wanna continue the story 😭

[echoya]

[alpacahat67]

TWST Book 4 makes me insane

I just finished this book on eng and honestly, I don't know if I like it all that much. With TWST, you get some genuine masterpieces of stories like Book 6, but Book 4 just absolutely infuriated me. And I wasn't even mad at the right thing!

Warning, I do go the fuck off on Kalim. If you are a Kalim liker that's great I like Idia I can't say shit. But he's dense as a fucking pound cake in this book.

To begin, I need to highlight how Jamil's overblot was so unsatisfying because of the lack of character development in the book, and simply the fact that there was no way to fix anything. No loose ends were tied up, the reason Jamil was upset in the first place was barely resolved. And, to be fair, it's not something than can be fully resolved. He and Kalim can be academic equals, Kalim may want the two of them to be equals in society, but at the end of the day the Asims are more powerful than the Vipers and therefore Kalim is more important than Jamil. But you could leave it off on a compromise or a bittersweet ending, just ANY sort of character development to make Jamil like Kalim a little more or to make Kalim less oblivious to Jamil's feelings, hell, make Jamil disobey his family's wishes and quit being a servant for the Asims, ANYTHING. At the end of the book, Jamil still hates Kalim, Kalim is still oblivious and is convinced that Jamil is his friend and would never harm him, and Jamil is still unhappy.

This is the same issue I have with Book 2, Leona never got any development either. These two are stuck in a similar situation: due to the way their society works, they're stuck in a position that they hate more than anything. The fact that Leona will never be king isn't what upsets him, it's the fact that due to him being the second-born prince, he's looked down upon by those around him. Never in his life has someone given him the praise he deserved, which led to his "what's even the point" attitude. And he learns nothing at the end of Book 2. Because Jamil was born into a family of servants, he's stuck having to underperform and serve someone he hates for the rest of his life. He wants to be his own person, but he can't because of Kalim. The only thing he learns at the end of Book 4 is that he no longer needs to act nice to Kalim. He. Still. Hates him.

Of course, these issues have no solution. But there are ways you can give them DEVELOPMENT! There are ways you can change these two's mindsets. They can improve their circumstances to a degree, even if it's as drastic as Jamil's parents disowning him. Have these two find purpose in other places and be able to obtain the said purpose. Give Leona a support system outside of his family, people he can turn to that genuinely love and care about him, and give him a goal and a purpose in life. That's something he can do on his own. Let Jamil be his own person away from Kalim, have his arc be about letting go of the person who has brought him the most pain. That's easy to say, which is why you make that an ARC. Have him work his way up to share how he feels with not only Kalim but his own family. Because if I were to pinpoint a solution to Jamil's situation, it would be to cut off the Asims. That's just the easiest way to go about it. The alternative is having Jamil and Kalim improve their relationship and therefore Jamil will hate his position less, but considering how fast Jamil shuts Kalim down after seeing no point in keeping up his nice act after his overblot, Jamil just wouldn't hear him out at all. Which I can understand. I wouldn't let go of a grudge like that either.

Speaking of Kalim, he is SO unlikable in this book. Look, Kalim is fine as a character. I don't hate him. But his OBLVIOUSNESS and SHEER STUPIDITY in this book make me hate him so much that I started rooting for JAMIL. I would've fucking overblotted too, goddamn! I would hate being this man's servant! Now, I'm not one to enjoy characters who are just little balls of sunshine to be little balls of sunshine. Except for Darwin Watterson, that fish is a gift to this world. So it makes sense that I dislike Kalim here. But GOD, if you thought Jamil was your friend, wouldn't you have paid closer attention to his intentions? Wouldn't you have connected the dots? He is just so clueless that it makes me want to sock him in the mouth.

Furthermore, I thought I was supposed to be rooting for Yuu, Grim, Adeuce, Kalim, and the Octatrio in this book. Not the person who overblots. At least, not until we learn their intentions and get the chance to feel bad for them. This entire time I KNEW that Jamil was controlling Kalim and I ALSO rooted for him because if I was in his situation I would do that too! Plus my feelings towards Kalim have been established. Like honestly, Jamil had the right to go the fuck off on Kalim at the end. And yet, Kalim still didn't get it. He didn't understand and Jamil just took the fact that he never would.

In conclusion, Jamil was so right for this, and this book makes me rip my hair out. Book 6 is better. Sorry if this rant is all over the place or my points don't make sense, I'm tired and blinded by confusion.

[egophiliac]

he did it! 🐍 and it only took...uhhh...well, there probably could've been less punches, but why hold back!

PUNCHES FOR EVERYONE

[fizzydrinkuno]

Schemer of the Scalding Sands

[terristre]

WHAT ABOUT OUR

✨FRIENDSHIP✨

[bklily]

Book 4 in a nutshell.

[raven-at-the-writing-desk]

skully unique magic reveal

***Spoilers for Lost in the Book with Nightmare Before Christmas!!***

The incantation is “Light the lanterns”. The UM is written as “Scary Night”/Halloween’s calendar date (『10月31日(スケアリーナイト)』).

The effect? … It turns people into jack ‘o lanterns… 🎃 I am NOT joking 😭

Skully introduces his UM with aplomb he’s really chunibyou about it, though he confesses his UM is still developing so he can’t use it that often. He’s embarrassed about it, but Jamil reassures him since magic that changes appearance is quite advanced. Indirect Jack praise (Recall that mind control/manipulation magic is also regarded as advanced or hard to master, and Jamil has a related UM… Neat little detail!)

P.S. LMAO Sebek gets salty that Skully’s getting encouragement… (Recall also that Sebek’s own UM, Living Bolt, is something he’s still practicing with and learning how to properly wield.)

[dicegoblinstreasures]

The fact that other students of Scarabia were like "Housewarden, why don't you fire Jamil from the vice-houseward position? He manipulated you and us by magical means for his own gain. He is a bad person."

They also started to avoid Jamil.

And Kalim basically says: "yeah, that did happen, and I can't say he is a good person 100%, but the situation isn't as black and white you might think. He let the years of dark thoughts get the best of him and he did some nasty things. But never before he has hurt me in any way and has looked after my scatterbrained self. For 10+ years. Yes he needs to redeem himself, but I'm willing to give him that chance as he is my friend. We will see in time what will come of it. So watch us closely :)"

And I think that is beautiful. People make mistakes. Sometimes people let their emotions and distorted thoughts possess them. It is up to us to know if we are willing to give them another chance. We grow and learn. I have had my experiences of people hurting me so bad that it still haunts me today. I have cut ties with them, but I wish them all the best too. I hope they can learn and grow from that. I know I try my best to learn from those experiences.

Sometimes you keep that bridge because you have faith in that person. And sometimes you burn that bridge and just wish them luck from the other side of the river. And sometimes after the burning you never look back and get the hell away from that river.

It is up to us to know our own boundaries.

But yee, I just thought it was so nice. Kalim is such a pure but wise person. Even if he is scatterbrained.