#tw4tw

[xxcalicofemmexx]

trans woman 4 trans woman + flag colors

flag credit: an edit i made of @arco-pluris's cybelean (tw4tw) flag, back on my old blog

Trans Woman 4 Trans Woman: A trans woman who is exclusively attracted to trans women, or otherwise non-cis women; A trans woman who emphasizes or prioritizes their attraction and relationships with other trans women. A celebration of transgender love. This preference usually stems from issues of safety, trauma, oppression, and/or various personal reasons. Also known as TWLTW (Trans Woman Loving Trans Woman), and cybelean

[radiomogai]

[PT: TWLTW Pride Flag. end PT]

@orientation-archive @temparchive

TWLTW Pride Flag

TWLTW (trans woman loving trans woman)/TW4TW or TFLTF/TF4TF (transfem for transfem): a trans woman/transfeminine folk attracted to trans women/transfeminine folks, primarily or exclusively; transcentered relationship(s) between women. Also called MTF4MTF/M2F4M2F and MTFLMTF/M2FLM2F.

-Kau

[sleptting]

Remembering that when I go on walks with Niki if we ever run into Arashi they will dance and do some shit only they know kiss and make out and then leave me ( to go by makeups and deserts )

[fishmech]

"remember when t4t was about trans women loving and prioritizing other trans women" no i don't, person who wasn't born yet when that term was first used in queer coomunities. if anything the originally documented meaning was most commonly mtf4ftm because thats how shit worked in the 80s/90s due to who was generally allowed to transition. like yeah yeah you're too young to really remember a time before gay marriage in at least one state, too young to remember when being gay was straight up illegal. it's probably weird to you to think of the extent of societal homophobia and transphobia that actually existed when t4t was first coined. and that affected who trans people were willing to be openly seen dating, it affected who was allowed to transition at all.

there was term that did specifically mean trans women specifically dating each other but it wasn't t4t it was usually tw4tw or similar constructions.

[solidwater05]

Pride Month might be over but that doesn't stop me from making more cookies gay

Shining Glitter is trans and bi, and Black Lemonade is a trans lesbian. They're t4t, specifically tw4tw

I also made the lesbian flag with both of them because I forgot I hc Glitter as bi lmao

[orientation-archive]

PT/~[1] — Naohansexual

~[2] — Hunansexual

~[3] — Nakhansexual /end PT

I created the term's, but I'm not sure if it already exists or not. But if they exist, please let me know and credit the creator!

Also, these terms were created at the expense of t4t.

~[1] — Naohansexual

A term for trans-men who are attracted to trans-men, cis-women, and non-binary people.It can also be used in combination with t4t.

Purple shades symbolize the honor and pride of trans-men

~[2] — Hunansexual

A term for trans-women who are attracted to trans-women, cis-men, and non-binary people.It can also be used in combination with t4t.

Brown shades symbolize comfort when you are a trans-woman

~[3] — Nakhansexual

A term for non-binary people who are attracted to non-binary people, trans-women/trans-men, and cis-women/cis-men. It can also be used in combination with t4t.

Green shades symbolize protection over non-binary people and their freedom.

▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒ 𓆩☆𓆪▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒

[genderstarbucks]

DemiT4T Variations!!

DemiT4T was originally coined by @monster-fucker-moss-jonathan, I just made some variations

DemiTM4TM - a trans man who identifies partially and/or not fully identify as TM4TM

DemiTW4TW - a trans woman who identifies partially and/or not fully identify as TW4TW

[catalytic-chamber-blog]

Trans Women Will Survive Fasci$m sigil. please reblog. it can't hurt, right?

[cyborg--sevalle]

i hope this whole debacle with the women’s march has demonstrated just how nonexistent cis women’s interest in legitimate coalition with us is. They will talk about us as part of their term papers and social media polemics, but they will not actually see us as their fellow women, will not reach back collectively to help pull us into the future, and will not be there for us when it becomes dangerous or even just inconvenient for them to do so.

The lesbian imperative to recognize women’s role as men’s categorical other, to be that which is defined as everything he is not in order to make more real what he allegedly is, and to reject it in favor of centering other women, living with other women, loving other women in order to discover who we can be when we are not forced to consort and compromise with men is something at the core of lesbian ethics.

For trans lesbians, this must be taken a step further. We must acknowledge that cis women have taken us as their categorical other, using our bodies and our histories as a way to position us as probational or outright counterfeit women, so as that they may lay claim to some sort of naturalized and inherent concept of womanhood -- we are rendered fake so that they can claim to be real. 

Our presentation is measured by how well it mimics cis women’s, our politics are judged based on how well they benefit cis women, even the legitimacy of our very feelings hinge on the approval of cis women -- enough is enough.  

To quote Elena Rose, “We are not pieces of wholes thrown together incorrectly. We are not mistakes. We are not inferior knockoffs of someone else.” These words are as true now as they were when they were first written a decade ago. We are not confused men playing at being women, we are not merely imitations of cis women’s concept of womanhood, we are not simply lifetime drag queens.

We are called by the circumstances of the present to stand in opposition to the rise of fascism across the world, both out of ethical obligation and our own survival. However, if we keep trying to uncritically enter into coalition with cis women, we run the immense risk of being betrayed, abandoned, and taken advantage of, as our contemporary cis/trans woman alliances have demonstrated time and again.

Before we can start thinking about coalitional organization, we need to work to create a stronger bond of affinity amongst each other first. We must be able to operate in such a way as that, if one of us enters into coalitional work with cis women, they will not find themselves alone and isolated should they be abandoned by their cisters.

Furthermore, we need to be able to talk openly about what our shared experiences of gender actually are, rather than censor and alter them so that they can be submitted to the scrutiny of people whose primary goal is to find ways to prove that we are actually just men in disguise. We should be able to start from a place that says “we are not-men” and have that be a safe and acceptable place to begin our own narratives of transness.

How do we accomplish this? Is it separatism? Is it a new academic theory? Is it a different approach to feminism? Who can say? However, we will continue to be the most disposable subset of women to the mainstream feminist agenda until we begin to conceptualize ourselves as something not defined by our difference to cis womanhood.

[femmepathy]

please stay away from trans women

i completely understand where this is coming from - avoiding cis women altogether is a decision that i really respect. trans women have been hurt and often traumatized by cis women (and everyone else) and choosing to be tw4tw or just t4t is a great option for those who would prefer a relationship where one won't have to face this trauma and huge power dynamic - and potentially be re-traumatized. i think a lot of cis + trans woman couples are awful just because cis women aren't willing to face up to the power that they have over their trans woman partners, causing trans women to have to shoulder a lot of the burden of being oppressed and traumatized by people like their partner.

it makes me genuinely sad trans women (like you, anon) have been so mistreated that it seems you are very very scared of being hurt by people like me. though, part of that could just be my joking use of the term "chaser." the reason i've been doing that lately is because i find it incredibly important to be open and casual about my attraction to trans women. like i said in a previous post - i think calling myself that is funny because there's a lot of tension between me thinking that attraction to trans women should be unremarkable, and that it currently isn't! it's something that's extremely normal & i think that trans women deserve to feel desired in a way that makes them feel good. being attracted to trans women is something that more cis women (ESPECIALLY lesbians) should be talking about & being explicit about including trans women in lesbianism is essential.

my girlfriend and i are really trying to confront the imbalance in our relationship, but a lot of that does involve BOTH of us having to put in work to do so. her, being previously tw4tw, wanted to try this sort of experiment & i'm really excited to engage in it too. ultimately our relationship is built on love & desire and being cis / trans is less important, but it's not something that can be ignored if one wants a good relationship where one will be "hurt" less. there's NOBODY that you can interact with where being "hurt" is impossible, that's why it's so important to face the places where it could come from & work through it. for me personally, having meaningful relationships with people different from you, especially with power dynamics, is a good thing, as long as you can face it directly.

[whenidiehallelujahbyandby]

you guys be out here like "you evil trannies are clearly all so toxic and manipulative and it's not cute you're all freaks and that's why you'll never have healthy relationships" meanwhile you're the ones hyperfixating over our public images and trying to insert yourselves into our private relationships . you will never understand the tenderness of tw4tw love . die jealous

[arco-pluris]

My TLT/T4T flags edited (in June 2020) by @polyamaesthetic (Campion, Cybelean (TWLTW/TW4TW/TF4TF/TFLTF), Caenean (TM4TW/TM4TF/TMLTW/TMLTF))

[patrickbaeddman]

Trans/acting Culture, Writing, and Memory: Essays in Honour of Barbara Godard

[t4t4t]

wow I thought t4t only meant tw4tw lmao...

[mono-red-menace]

when i see things like these just mentioned offhandedly in posts like it's some commonly held belief im like "where the fuck are you Going dude where is this a thing?"

anyways gotta start saying tw4tw bc apparently it's a men only event 😔

i saw something really weird that apparently people say t4t is for trans men only? which is. strange to me like no it's not? why would it be?

[thedeadflag]

re: politics of desire - What are your thoughts on the converse of cis people's dating practices? That is, what about trans women (sticking to my own experience) who are interested only in other trans women? I'm curious to what still applies in this case, and any general thoughts on tw4tw and similar things?

As a trans woman only interested in trans women, I can explain.

Trans folks who only want to date trans folks do so because there’s often a shared experience, some large overlap in experience at least. There’s no threat of power imbalance on that axis, no significant risk of dealing with the transphobic microaggressions that tend to plague our realities. With cis partners, there’s often a lot of educating, a lot of emotional labour, all with the knowledge that your partner could slip up, have some unearthed cissexist/transphobic belief down the road, wield cissexis/transphobia as a weapon if you get into an argument, etc. There’s less chance for empathy, and for a cis partner to be a true safe haven.

So trans folks dating trans folks is a way to have a potentially more understanding, empathetic, safer partner who you’ll likely align with better on a number of areas/issues.

Whereas, when cis folks choose to only date cis folks (or worse, claim to only be attracted to cis folks), they’re making those claims on stereotypes, misinformation, stigmas, and other harmful views on trans folks. They dismiss us because of transphobic and cissexist influences. We discmiss them because they’re unsafe and largely can’t understand the experiences involved in being trans, rather than us holding harmful views about them or being misinformed.