#tw HBO Velma

[archive-of-the-guild]

Anonymous asked:

This is proof that "woke culture" doesn't make everything better. Sure, it works with some things, but not when it has this much shoved into it all at once! And to make things worse, when the first trailer for the show dropped and everyone already knew it was going to suck, the show's creator said, "If you don't like the show, then you're a bigot!" Yeah, like that's going to make anyone want to watch you shit all over their childhood. At this point, I'd rather watch the live-action movies again. _______________________________________________________________

Exactly! You don’t need to shove things down people’s throats and attack them to have decent representation! 

Hell, i didn’t really mind the change in ethnicity for the main characters to be perfectly honest with you. Shows do that all the time. It was mostly the personality change and how extreme everything was!

Even the live action movies weren’t this bad! Sure the characters were a bit different but at least they were watchable.

[scooby-doobert]

but yeah one valid criticism about the velma series that i've been seeing is about the sexualization of minors, which i'm gonna be honest is really exaggerated and unnecessary throughout the first two episodes. but i kinda already expected it because the purpose of the series is to be an 'adult reboot' and you know adult cartoons try too hard to be full of swearing and sex and drugs and whatever

adult cartoons in general never really appeased me, i think they try too hard to be mature and end up being really immature instead, like a preteen swearing excessively and desperately talking about sex because they're trying too hard to be adults yk what i mean?

[ko-fanatic]

So, a major issue with Velma (2023), that I see no one mentioning, is how the show writers think physical and emotional abuse is funny.

At least, if it's a rich white guy; i.e. Fred.

It's all but stated that Fred is a jerk who acts like everyone is beneath him because that is what his father wants him to be. Fred is really nice and polite to Velma's dad when the meeting starts, but one small prompt from his father and he turns into that aggressive, meanspirited man-child once more.

All explained, in a single scene:

And it ends with this one line of dialogue:

Fuck you, show writers. Watching an abused kid, no matter how """privileged""", get dunked on repeatedly and absolutely humiliated in the media, is. not. funny.

Maybe I'm taking this a little too personally for a show like this. But this shit is disgusting, and I just needed to bring this up.

[magical-grrrl-mavis]

Following the lead of practically every adult cartoon ever, Velma is trash that caters to "edgy" alt right losers who just wish they could make rape jokes.

[pjthetoonaddict]

Okay...I'll do a couple more shitposts with Mystery Inc. Because I miss Velma being an absolute monster-hunting unit.

Also, bold of Mindy and Charlie to assume Shaggy has ever smoked pot in his damn life.

[orange-chair-of-doom]

I watched all Velma (2023) HBO and it's bad.

Be careful (don't watch it, it's bad, but if you want to try (remember 🏴‍☠️ is the best option) SPOILERS AHEAD [tw images with gore, blood and vomit]:

I watched (with my personal streaming company called Arrr! Yo-oh-oh!) Velma hbo and I found it so unsatisfying.

tldr; show is garbage. Unfunny. Boring. Crass and Gross. The pacing is all over the place, they can't decide what they are (comedy, thriller, satire or sitcom) and it's bad. Dialogues are cringe and are AI generated from tweets around the internet. Characters have no grown, no evolution. They end as they started, also many more miserable than before, because of Velma. The show should be called "Performative Activism: Velma the Series".

This is the summary of the fucking show:

My first problem: Velma character

Like it ends how it started. The protagonist Velma is annoying, infuriating, piece of garbage, the most unsympathetic character I ever saw and I mean I grew up with my big brothers watching Simpons, Futurama and Family Guy, I know that there are character who are born to be hated...

But she is absolutely the worst, no redeeming quality. Even when the fucking show tried to make you feel sympathy for her (they try so damn hard) you just end up hating her even more. Seriously I have no idea how the manage to do that.

My biggest problem: The Pacing

The pacing is all over the place. They try to be funny and they fail, they try to be self aware and it's hideous (and if you don't die of cringe, you want to close the internet tab and never watch it again), I sincerely hope they weren't try to be a commentary of real life, because it's even worse than when they make meta joke.

One moment they are cracking an unfunny and raunchy joke, the other they try to be serious and make you care about the absolute shit show this characters are, the next they are back making a sexual joke or making fun of a cultural stereotype. It doesn't work.

I ended watching the last episodes wishing the killer succeeded and murdered every characters. The killer was right. Kill off every one, go ape shit, please, please, please kill Velma first and then the rest.

And, spoiler, they manage to make me hate even the killer and their fucking motives, because honestly? It was so in character for the show, but so damn boring and frankly unnecessary mean. The whole show is mean and I'm a fool, because I had hope that they could be more deep than just plain hate and mean spirit.

They say hate is the real thing that unify humans and, unfortunately, they are right, this is the case, they proved this with the Velma show, with the response of the public. People bond easily when they hate the same thing. Probably this the reason I wanted to be proven wrong, why I search so desperately a bit of people bonding on friendship, in a show born from hate and generally hated. What a fucking fool I am.

But alas my foolish dreams, the show is a mess. There is no evolution, things happen, people exist and never grow up. Everything happen and then it's forgotten, it would be cool in a sit-com, but here it's a serial, you need to make me feel a story. They tried to be too many genres at once and nothing works out.

They try to be a thriller and almost succeeded. The mistery at one point was the only thing I cared for. The characters could die and burn all, honestly. I just wanted to see what the hell was happening with the killer and their motives. But it all crush and burn, because the killer is just the same as all the other characters unfunny, uncanny, mean spirit.

And so I ask if the only thing that differentiate between the big bad of the season and Velma is that one (intentionally) killed more people than the other, what the actual fuck was the message? For who am I supposed to root for? The garbage or the stinker garbage?

They try to be a sitcom and it's fucking awful because the characters are so damn unlikable you don't want to watch what they are doing, you don't care about them, and if you are a little bitch like me, you just wish they fail and never show up on the screen. Also it doesn't work, because again they frame the story as a serial, so you don't have a real end at the end of the episode and the classic sitcom reset of the next episode (so that the characters un-progress and static personality make sense), you frame Velma as a long sitcom season, but it doesn't work. A single episode sitcom is not supposed to go on for ten episodes like Velma did. Also it's not funny, like at all. I can think of three (3!) funny jokes in ten episode of twenty minutes each and one of them was physical comedy in which (thank god!) they didn't talk.

They try parody (?) or satirical parody (?) I don't even know what they were supposedly trying to do. It was satirical? It was actual comedy? It was so unclear I didn't understand. I watched ten episodes and I still don't know if the "jokes" were actual satire of how people on twitter talk or if it were actual joke and the direct meaning was that. Frankly I'm too scared of knowing the answer now.

The whole thing was a mess.

The commedy (?)

Somebody tell the writers that when you write a character being mean to another and try to make it funny, the audience need to hate the character who is the bottom of the joke for some reasons.

Like Sophie. If you present a woman and her only fault is existing, marrying the protagonist's father (which he's also an asshole), having a baby and not being the perfect wife/girlfriend/nurturing woman, it's not a right reason to hate her and her baby and using them as punch ball for half season. It's not funny, you just watch in horror thinking you wish every one in the show die and burn.

Or having a character, Gigi, and her only reason of existing is being the alternative love interest of Norville, is not good. Just to be discarded as an used toy in the last two episodes with no explanation and no characterization (and I mean it, I didn't even recognized her because the only time she talks in the last two episodes is repeating somebody else) after you make me see her as a strong, independent, likable (and for this show is huge, I'm not exaggerating when saying nobody is likable) character. Are you fucking kidding me? Like that she never was a protagonist. For fuck sake, this show is not even coherent with itself. This is the last time we see her:

Edit: My bad writers made Gigi so fucking unnecessary I forgot there was another one appearance in the last episode. She is just a plot device, she has no soul. She defend Norville and say that Velma is a terrible friend and person. She is right, but how she said it was not really a character speaking, but a writer desperately trying to move the plot forward since we have 15 minutes left and multiple loose plot string and still no mystery solution in hand. This actually another way they try to mix teen drama and thriller and doesn't work at all.

(This is were my confusion as if this is satire or actual comedy exacerbate to stellar levels, because performative activism is such a twitter thing, but at the same time the whole show is performative activism with witty lines, it's like an AI writer modelled the whole reading only tweets. So I have no idea, was it to make you see the hypocrisy of the whole performative activism or am I using to much brain power and it's just a stupid and empty show? Logically I would say it's the second one, but I have this stupid hope to wish the best from people.)

The dialogue

Don't make me start with the dialogue. They don't seems real, they are just people on the internet with a maximum character for posts. Unfunny, mean spirit, no deep at all.

I am so fucking tired man.

The show ended as it started. Full circle.

Velma

Velma didn't change. She is a piece of garbage. She succeeded to have back is mum at the expenses of the happiness of ALL the people around her. She made so much apologizes and yet she never changed, never learn, they were all fake apology so the could get over it and help her to move the plot forward. I'm not exaggerating. Everyone is sad and miserable except her. Was it supposed to be a happy or satisfying ending? Because I have bad news for the fucking writers. She has her mum, she fucking lock her father, the woman he love and a new born baby half sister outside the house, framing it as a joke and not a fucking abusive action.

The summary of Velma's character:

She prefer being happy at the expensis of everyone else's and the weird thing is that the show doesn't frame it as negative, toxic and abusive, but as joke???

Norville

He is miserable, he lost his girlfriend (the only healthy relationship she could dream to have), his house is half demolished because of Velma, he cannot sleep because he feels guilty after killing a person because she was about to kill Velma and his dad just says: "Have you tried marjuana?" Cementing the sensation the fucking writers do not know how to write emotional scenes, healthy relationship and about mental health in general without ridicoulzing every subject to an unfunny level.

Daphne

Daphne is back as she was fighting to auto-regulate but this time a little bit healthier exercising fight with her mums. She has a toxic relationship with Velma (I have no fucking clue if they are still together romantically or not, I'm inclined to think they have broke up, because fucking Velma says the wrong name when confessing to her after the mystery is solved. I hope Daphne run the far away from any kind of relationship with Velma, bc she is a toxic, manipulative, piece of trash. Daphne deserves way better), still has no real friends because the popular girls are awful, Gigi has lost her characterization along the way of becoming not an accessory for Norville to have. So yes, that's the end of her character. Isn't been a strong and female character not enough to be a good written character?

Fred

Fred lost his mum, he's stupid and the punch ball. He had a evolution (with feminism and social activism) and than an involution in the last two episodes (he forgot everything, why? I have no idea, I think the writers just are bad at keeping tab of they own characters characterization, also this is part of the sitcom quirk tabula rasa after the episode ends, here does not work at all). His father is a moron and hates him, like a lot, like abusively lot (but here in this world it's just funny). He gets a van with should be the mistery machine, but it's just another nostalgic trope to be ridiculed and mistreated, because it funny? You get it? You get it? It's funny making fun of memorabilia from the original show. And even after all this somehow he is the one who is most grew??? How the fuck is possible? How? You understand my frustration?

Gigi is just a background character. Just like that. She has no more lines in the last episode. She just quietly disappear. I'm angry and relived because that was awful, but at least now the writers cannot make me hate her or ruin her beautiful character arc.

Velma's mum (Diya) should run while she can, because her daughter is awful human being. But in the ends she just laugh with her daughter at his ex-husband, his pattern and their new born baby lock outside the house. I'm not

Velma's dad with all his faults, because he's the same as Velma, like she has all his bad habits and jerkness, should also run and start a new family away from Velma.

That's it this is how it ends. She's screaming: "Happy Dance!"

I hoped they could get better, become similar to the franchise we all love, being a mystery gang with a very rocky start, but now I just hope they never ever get together and that next season will flop even harder than this one, burn and crash.

The fucking end.

Don't watch it. It's not worth it.

If you want to see the show with a commenter who makes everything more bearable I have to suggest this amazing youtuber:

Brittney Reacts

P.S. Don't harass anyone who likes it, do not harass the writer, do not harass Mindy Kaling. Just because this show is garbage you do not have to be the same

[sorrowfulsomnambulist]

My friend group decided to hate watch Velma and there's so many things wrong with it. However what I see no one talking about is the way the hallucinations were portrayed. They were handled so poorly being made the butt of the joke. For a show trying to be diverse it just felt weird having to resort ableism for comedy, but the writing was already incredibly poor to begin with.

[scoobypineapple]

Ik no one wants to bring the whole Velma! situation back up, but I rlly do appreciate this animation as a whole! I find it’s use of the classic audio and meme charming more than anything, the designs are rlly fun, and there’s tons of fun little references in there fr. Anyways tldr very fun little short which I would recommend no matter your thoughts on the show itself ^^

Daphne and Velma in The Phony Phantom of Philadelphia

@glitchdrat

[um-garoto-chamado-yuri]

"Velma": O desastre e falsa idéia de "representatividade"

Prepara, que hoje o post é longo para falar do escândalo do momento: "Velma". A nova série da HBO que está dando o que falar, e não por bons motivos.

Tw: Se você não gosta de receber spoilers ou ver piadas de duplo sentido, talvez seja melhor não ler o post, obrigado!

Ano passado, quando anunciaram essa série, todo mundo (inclusive eu) ficou com um pé atrás. A animação é bonita? Sim, claramente. Mas algo já indicava que viria provavelmente uma das produções mais podres da década. Primeiro de tudo: não tem o Scooby Doo, tipo, COMO CARALHOS? Uma série sem o próprio protagonista, wtf! Outro ponto foi a descaracterização dos personagens, que foram trocados de etnia totalmente de repente (menos o Fred, ele é o hétero top da parada). Aqui, já mostra a falsa ideia da representatividade do desenho, apesar de agora todos eles serem pretos ou asiáticos, toda a turma possui traços superficiais. Inclusive, a própria comunidade LGBTQIA+ tem criticado Velma, que mesmo sendo apresentada como lésbica, possui sua orientação sexual usada como uma literal "base" para a série, coisa que não passa nunca a mensagem de inclusão. Exemplo disso é quando ela conversa com um casal de policiais, e diz: "Pensei que lésbicas em resolver crimes, é o único estereótipo positivo que séries policiais tem a mostrar".

E a série não se baseia apenas em piadas assim, mas há muitas piadas de duplo sentido aqui (sem contar as piadas sobre maconha feitas pelo Salsicha). Já na primeira cena, vemos duas baratas fazendo sexo (hmmmm, olha que ponto estamos chegando). E antes de tudo, é preciso lembrar que "Velma" é uma série adulta, então nem assista se for menor de idade ou se tiver crianças na sua casa (eu mesmo poupei meus valiosos olhos, e estou usando de base no post tudo que vi nas críticas e pelo menos grande parte das cenas do primeiro episódio, recomendo que você faça o mesmo!). Mesmo assim, as piadas são jogadas gratuitamente para quem assiste, chegando a parecer que é algo feito para crianças da quinta série assistirem (nem eu, que tenho um grande espírito de quinta série, consegui rir das piadas). Parece que tudo foi feito para dar errado. E agora, mais um capítulo dessa polêmica se abre recentemente: uma das produtoras e dubladora de Velma, Mindy Kaling, está sendo acusada de assédio sexual. Vazou um trecho de um programa americano em que ela confessa ter beijado um homem sem seu consentimento.

Pior de tudo é saber que a série foi renovada para a segunda temporada, mesmo com o fracasso de críticas tanto da mídia especializada quanto do público. Talvez seja algum contrato, não sei. Mas ninguém pode negar que essa série sem dúvidas será vista como um surto coletivo daqui uns anos, é totalmente esquecível, e os grandes fãs de Scooby Doo vão preferir ver as versões clássicas desse desenho tão querido. Apesar de termos uma protagonista lésbica e personagens pretos e asiáticos aqui, nada passa a ideia de inclusão ou preocupação em fazer personagens bem construídos, tudo parece apenas uma grande forçada de barra para arrancar o famoso pink money da comunidade LGBTQIA+. Estive conversando com alguns outros membros da comunidade e nós entramos no mesmo ponto na maioria das vezes: lacração, uma puta lacração.

Não é à toa que vi muitas meninas lésbicas dizendo sobre como Velma apenas se tornou uma personagem medíocre na produção e suas piadas se resumem a algo que posso chamar de "humor sapatão". E consigo me colocar no lugar dessas garotas, Velma não representa nem 1% da comunidade lésbica, nem mesmo a própria comunidade LGBTQIA+, não é uma imagem que gostaria que pessoas hétero cis vissem de nós. Para provar que é apenas algo feito para ganhar streams das pessoas queer.

Enfim, só de estar presenciando esse grande escândalo, podemos provar que a representatividade em alguns casos está longe de estar boa. O grande problema desse horror é ver personagens superficiais, um roteiro baseado em piadas sobre cultura queer, sexo e maconha e uma dubladora assediadora. O problema não foi a troca das etnias em si, na verdade, mostra como estão tentando fazer de tudo para passar a ideia de produção que inclui todos os tipos de cor. Por que não fazer um novo personagem preto, por exemplo? Se fosse bem construído, o público o adoraria, tenho certeza disso. Claramente esse tema é polêmico e tenho certeza que alguém que lendo meu post pode ter uma opinião contrária, e tá tudo bem.

Eu, pelo menos, não me identificaria com um personagem trans que só sabe fazer piadas sobre a sua comunidade e fosse totalmente escroto, sabe?

Bem, eu encerro falando algo aqui: se você ainda tiver curiosidade de ver essa série, recomendo ver os vários vídeos de análise sobre "Velma" para repensar. Inclusive, se for ver no Youtube, procure os comentários, há grandes relatos de pessoas pretas e da comunidade LGBTQIA+ que provam essa lacração excessiva desse desastre da HBO. E agora ficaremos na espera de ver um outro reboot de Scooby Doo que seja minimamente aceitável, e talvez outras produções que não tenham representatividades forçadas.

[archive-of-the-guild]

Anonymous asked:  My opinion on that Velma show is this: Just pretend you're singing the last few lyrics of the What's New Scooby-Doo? theme song and change a few of the words. It should go something like this: "Nah nah nah nah nah! Nah nah nah nah nah! Nah nah nah nah nah nah nah! Nah nah nah nah nah! Nah nah nah nah nah! That's not Scooby-Doo!" _____________________________________________________________

I WISH i could laugh at this. I truly do. But in my mind? Associating anything Scooby Doo with this pile of cat vomit would honestly be the highest insult to everything related to Scooby Doo and it’s characters.

Let me put it this way. The Mystery Gang? The ONLY THING they have in common with their predecessors is their names. That’s it. They took a show that meant a lot to people throughout different series and generations and not only gave it Rick and Morty levels of violence, blood, and sex but they dipped...

No...

No, not “dipped”...

They drenched it..... They SATURATED it.... in the most toxic form of “woke culture” imaginable, changing not only their ethnicities and personalities, but those new personalities are so god-awful that it would make even the most hardened and bullheaded sjw cringe!

I watched Daphne slam a girl’s face into a shower floor with a sadistic smile on par with the Joker. I watched Fred throw a paper slicer, cut a guy’s foot off, and everybody just sat around and watched completely unconcerned! 

This is not the Mystery Gang. These are self-inserts pretending to be the Mystery Gang to the point where rps and fanfiction couldn’t even HOPE to salvage any positivity from this show.

For a reference? I add this video. Watch at your own risk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0N14UkvRK5c

[jadienjaystoriesandart]

Just saw the designs for HBO’s Velma.

I’m on the page if a lot of people.

The chosen representation for the characters feels way to stereotyped. Makes me squirm with how uncomfortable it was. (Personally would have made Fred or Velma black in skin color.)

Fred is to be non-binary. Honestly with the picture I don’t see non-binary, and I am non-binary. (Just saying having Fred have ADHD or ADD, traps are his hyperfixation. Would have been better.)

Velma is openly lesbian, which sure is great, no complaints there. (I think she could be bigger around her hips like how she originally was. She needs love handles.)

Daphne being Asian with Police/Cop parents, I am grimacing as I type that out. (I feel like she could have been kept the same with issue with her parents being corrupt cops. Interesting plot point that one.)

And Shaggy… *deep sigh* the stoner is black… and honestly looks too clean shaven for Shaggy. Looks way too put together. His shirt fits? Like it’s like they tried to avoid the stereotype of the Black Stoner, but just created a new character. (Keep Shaggy white or choose another race. Why not a Asian Shaggy? If the Stoner bothered you then why change him so much?)

Like there are so many ways they could have made this work but they took all the wrong routes.

And if I wanted adult Scooby Doo I would have made is less nudity and sex, and more darker themes for mysteries. Like less goofy and more realistic. A more heavy plot too, that goes into some angsty parts.

[scooby-doobert]

IKR? seriously what’s with this obsession with high school even that youtube independent scooby doo reboot is in high school even thou all of the actors look like they’re fucking 40 years old like why man

but yeah one valid criticism about the velma series that i've been seeing is about the sexualization of minors, which i'm gonna be honest is really exaggerated and unnecessary throughout the first two episodes. but i kinda already expected it because the purpose of the series is to be an 'adult reboot' and you know adult cartoons try too hard to be full of swearing and sex and drugs and whatever

adult cartoons in general never really appeased me, i think they try too hard to be mature and end up being really immature instead, like a preteen swearing excessively and desperately talking about sex because they're trying too hard to be adults yk what i mean?

[legendary-defender-of-fandoms]

And the thing is, Scooby Doo Mystery Incorporated already did something like this. There was no mention of physical abuse (because kids’ show & there are some lines even Scooby Doo shouldn’t cross), but all the kids suffered from emotional neglect from their parents. Daphne’s parents were too absentminded to care about their youngest daughter, Velma’s parents didn’t want her mystery solving to tank their tourism businesses (since Crystal Cove made its money off tourists come to gawk at the supernatural), Shaggy’s parents were humiliated to even be associated with him, and Fred’s dad was too obsessed with himself to care about the boy he kidnapped 18 years ago (spoilers, Fred was basically Rapunzel in Season 1). That’s part of why the Gang was so close - they all knew what it was like to feel unwanted & made their own found family where everyone mattered.

But to bring the focus back to Fred, all he wanted in Season 1 of Mystery Incorporated was to make the man he thought was his father proud. And Fred, the Sweetest himbo to ever don an ascot, quickly realized that he wouldn’t compromise his morals, suppress his emotions, or treat anyone like dirt just to earn his father’s approval. Fred wanted his dad to love the real him, not who Fred pretended to be.

So, a major issue with Velma (2023), that I see no one mentioning, is how the show writers think physical and emotional abuse is funny.

At least, if it's a rich white guy; i.e. Fred.

It's all but stated that Fred is a jerk who acts like everyone is beneath him because that is what his father wants him to be. Fred is really nice and polite to Velma's dad when the meeting starts, but one small prompt from his father and he turns into that aggressive, meanspirited man-child once more.

All explained, in a single scene:

And it ends with this one line of dialogue:

Fuck you, show writers. Watching an abused kid, no matter how """privileged""", get dunked on repeatedly and absolutely humiliated in the media, is. not. funny.

Maybe I'm taking this a little too personally for a show like this. But this shit is disgusting, and I just needed to bring this up.

[scooby-doobert]

but then again, i've seen some ppl talk about it like hbo velma is the first series to ever do that and how that makes it the worst show ever........ but man, like almost every single series about teenagers is a bit weird and sexualizes them, like extremely successful stuff like sex education, euphoria, riverdale etcetera (and i mean,, big mouth is literally sexualizes pre teens and baiscally kids and i've never seen ppl be that mad about it) so yeah not defending it, cause i think its creepy and unnecessary, but i mean dont be hypocritical

my theory is that ppl decided long ago that they woudn't like this reboot and now every reason they get they turn into this big thing to deem the show as something frighteningly bad and unforgivable.. idk, i'm still giving it a chance yk?

but yeah one valid criticism about the velma series that i've been seeing is about the sexualization of minors, which i'm gonna be honest is really exaggerated and unnecessary throughout the first two episodes. but i kinda already expected it because the purpose of the series is to be an 'adult reboot' and you know adult cartoons try too hard to be full of swearing and sex and drugs and whatever

adult cartoons in general never really appeased me, i think they try too hard to be mature and end up being really immature instead, like a preteen swearing excessively and desperately talking about sex because they're trying too hard to be adults ik what i mean?