#this is really thought provoking
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actually I'm kind of curious about this because it was a huge debate among my peers in my community
Clarifications under the cut:
The poster is in a public space where it is typical for everyday people to post things. It is not someone's private property or possession. Think piece of paper taped to a telephone pole, not sign in a storefront or in someone's yard.
The poster is not protected by law; you are very unlikely to face legal consequences for vandalizing it. Caveat: some peers have argued that it risks being socially consequential because an organization or demographic that you are a part of may be judged as intolerant/oppressive/disruptive/otherwise unpleasant if people witness your actions, and thus advocated against vandalism for fear of damaging your public image.
The poster is not an expensive or personal piece of artwork; it is a mass produced print on letter paper.
You are vehemently opposed to the message displayed on the poster, but it is an opinion that people are free to have in your country.
The 4th option refers to things like intentionally putting your own poster over top of the bad poster or otherwise making the bad poster harder to view; some people argued that targeting the poster for removal is out of line, but posting your own messages is an innocent action that you are well within your right to do (in this context, posters regularly eclipse each other as new ones are posted over top of outdated ones due to limited space)
The poster is part of a campaign; it's not unique. There are many postings of it across the community.
This is all assuming that the offending poster is not old and would typically not be considered fair game for pruning for quite some time, and that it is being specifically targeted for removal because of its message (rather than petty vandalism or because it's obstructive or damaged). E.g., if a poster is advertising an event happening on April 20th, it's typical to prune it after that date but not before.
Of course the situation that prompted the real life debate did involve a specific offending message, but I'm not going to specify what it was for now because I think it'll skew the results as people will just end up voting based on whether they like or dislike that message, which isn't the point of this. For this poll we are assuming that it IS a message that you are very opposed to; you can substitute in your own opinion that you have strong feelings about.
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#my og opinion was that it wasn't that deep. it's just a paper poster. and if it's promoting evil then it should go#i did trash 2 posters before i even found out that the issue was being hotly debated. didnt really think too hard about it#on one end there were people congratulating me and on the other were people saying that it's out of line + sets a really bad precedent#like in a âyou are silencing the opposition and that's playing dirty. i dont agree either but they are legally free to express thisâ way#meanwhile still others argue that actually you have a moral duty to get rid of things that explicitly promote evil ideas#and some said that since we are a minority group we should avoid scandal and not provoke people into hating us. which i never thought about#anyway i am curious what other people think since i can see the merit in all the viewpoints#my posts
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the way that right before dean punches sam in bloodlust he kind of makes himself look less threatening, smiles a little bit, shakes his head, and then turns around and absolutely swings at him. he wants sam to be surprised by it !! he does want it to hurt !! he does get some level from satisfaction in the act & what it means and thatâs really really crucial to just how dean is.
#idk i think dean's physical violence tends to be a lot more thought out than most of the fandom pretends it is#sure he's lashing out in intense emotion but he has a very deliberate way of doing it and i think thatâs really important#he pretends like the conversation is over -> punches sam -> he makes his ultimatum -> then itâs really over#heâs making sure heâs getting the final / most impactful say in & trying to reestablish the control he thinks heâs lost#and then everyone says itâs samâs fault for provoking him but thatâs a whole other thing.#sw#dw#star notes
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actually I love Tentoo and he is the Doctor and it was the only ending for Rose that worked and it is a huge gift to be able to have the man she loves grow old with her, they were always heading for that, y'all be quiet. I 100% understand the angst but it's okay, they're okay, good ending-
#did you want her to...not end up with the doctor?#she ended up with the doctor. she ended up with the doctor and they get to AGE together#they get to have a real honest relationship the way they both always genuinely wanted#it's hard that the full time lord version has to carry on without her but that is the way that character's story ALWAYS goes#the doctor does not get to keep ANYONE. it would be a different show if he did#meanwhile there is a version of that same face of his - the one that was MADE for love? particularly born out of love for ROSE? the one 1/2#2/2 that always wanted a FAMILY? and stability? and a normal life? the tenth doctor longed for that specifically because of rose#now he gets to have it AND be part-human so he doesn't have to watch her get old. he gets old WITH HER#and they're canonically growing their own Tardis so you don't even have to be sad that they're not adventuring in time and space as usual#because they ARE. it's the kindest ending for either character. and if the full time lord hadn't left without either of them-#-he would have had to lose them eventually. lose Rose because she's human? hello? painful? but instead he was selfless and left her-#-with a proper happy ending. which she CHOSE to have so you can't be like âhe tricked her!â she chose to kiss one of them and it was Tentoo#they are the same man. Rose won in this scenario.#and I GET IT I am with Billie Piper I think it will always feel a little off that she was left with Tentoo and not the full time lord#I understand. it still makes me a little sad. but I know it's a good ending writing-wise. really the ONLY ending.#yes I know about the popular idea of Immortal!Rose or Bad Wolf Rose or whatever and that's cute and all BUT - it's not a GOOD thing#it's not PREFERABLE to be immortal. Rose doesn't want to live forever. she wants to be with the man she LOVES forever.#she doesn't want to not die or adventure for all time. she wants to be there to hold his hand. and when Tentoo is born she gets THAT!#Immortal!Rose is tragic. the Doctor would not wish the burden of immortality on the woman he loves HELLO#anyway#I ship timepetals. that includes Tentoo/Rose. because he is the doctor#so there#I have more thoughts on Tentoo specifically but I digress#maybe if provoked in an Ask or something idk#doctorrose#timepetals#opinion piece#tenrose#tentoo#handy
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Ena's dad just got revealed ayo ????
#ena#oc#oc art#for legal reasons i am what the kids say. Fucking Around#idk wut really provoked this tbh. maybe cus i remember forever ago people thinking abstrakt was an ena oc when it's not and never was lol#and then the thought drifted across my head that he looks like a father to ena. and now we're here#also thin lineart fucking kills me iom never doing this again#also i didn't get the style down pat tbh. idk how to get the exact dithering / static / whatevehr the fuck it is effect that joel does#or at least how it is on this render of ena. oh well !#ok ramble over FUCKING OFF
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BerryâŠâŠâŠâŠâŠ ERZA!
GAH!!!
#really thought provoking..... rlly made me thing with this ask.... boom#splatoon#ezra (cap 3)#berry (8)#agent 24
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â What's keeping us apart ain't even real, your daddy, his religion, it's got nothing to do with us. â It's not just his, it's mine too. I've got the same spirit in me, why don't you see that?
Alice Englert and Walton Goggins in Them That Follow (2019), dir. Dan Madison Savage & Brittany Poulton
#them that follow#them that follow 2019#alice englert#film stills#walton goggins#film frames#film lovers#screencaps#cinephile#i'm still so salty about this film i needed to make an edit out of it lol#shitty things i do for love#they really tricked me into thinking it's gonna be 'the ballad of jack and rose' but make it *more* cultish american gothic#but in fact it's just a boring mediocre piece of nothing#you CAN'T you're not ALLOWED to cast my favorite people to play fatherhusband daughterwife cult leaders#and then chicken out at the last minute because you're not bold enough to sink your teeth into thought provoking topics#it's just ... sad and wrong and sad#it could have been it SHOULD HAVE BEEN such a poetic tragic metaphor for a child x parent indispensable separation#especially considering an absence of a mother and how the main character feels proud to take her place as the lady of the house#that is obvioisly delicious and semi unhinged but at the same time absolutely expected#because of her religious beliefs and her dad's behaviour????#or they could have gone with the dark fairy tale elements and make it 'the marsh king's daughter' au or whatever#'freedom! sunshine! to the father! i remembered my own father in the sunlit land of my home! my life and my love!' you know#BUT NO. what a waste of walton goggins and alice englert brilliance#fathers and daughters man fathers and daughters#a love of the rack and the screw and i said i do i do#the rejects the eccentrics the loners the lost and forgotten cinema club
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Do you have any Tsukasa analyses?
hi!! thank you sm for the ask!! i love tsukasa analyses, so i was really excited to get this!! there is a small/specific thing i've been thinking about with regards to a couple tsukasa moments recently, and that is:
tsukasa and some not-so-rhetorical questions
there are two specific instances i've been thinking about recently of tsukasa asking typically rhetorical questions in a genuine way. the first time happens in chapter 91. when hanako and nene ask tsukasa how he got to them and why he was there, he asks "who cares?"
i find it really interesting that this question comes before tsukasa asks a long series of hard hitting questions about nene's lifespan, hanako's wish, and destroying the yorishiros. he's asking very real, actionable questions! and this question is grouped in with them! so while "who cares?" is typically a very throwaway question, coming from tsukasa in this moment, i read it as having much more weight. i think tsukasa is experiencing the feeling of that in a very real way. especially given the context of more recent chapters ("he doesn't come when i call," "if you want out, you're going to have to do the best you can by yourself," etc.) while this question may come across as flippant, tsukasa must truly be wondering: "genuinely, who cares where i've been? how or why i'm here? genuinely, do either of the two of you care what i'm up to? you're worried about nene's lifespan and the yorishiros. who he cares about how i got here or why? i have no reason to believe you do." i don't think it's a stretch to think that a boy whose calls for help don't get answered would genuinely wonder: who cares?
and with all the context of 91 up to now, i love to read this question in 110 as a genuine question from tsukasa that hanako hears as rehtorical, and flippant:
"so?" asked so briefly and bluntly is often a rhetorical question: more a statement of "that doesn't matter" or "i don't care." and from hanako's perspective, he has just poured his heart out. he's just said, "yes i could have anything in the whole world, but then i wouldn't have you." to him, this surely must seem like a logical fill in of, "I wouldn't trade you for anything."
but this is tsukasa. tsukasa, who has spent god knows how many years calling out for amane with no response. tsukasa, who knows the following to be fact: 1) hanako knows tsukasa is his yorishiro. 2) hanako has been working to destroy all the yorishiros. thus, the logic from the facts tsukasa has would say that hanako prefers to be without tsukasa. of course he'll be confused that hanako's words suggest he doesn't want to be apart when all he's done with his actions is keep tsukasa away from himself!
it's not surprising, then, that he would want an explanation of how these things connect. the facts tsukasa has say amane doesn't care about him and is prepared to destroy him. so of course amane saying "i wouldn't give you up for anything" is not going to compute, that seems like almost an exact contradiction to the facts tsukasa is working with. the "so?" here is the same question tsukasa's been asking since 1968 in chapter 101: "you'd prefer it if i stayed here, right, amane? or would you rather me gone?" tsukasa thought he had the answer, but now amane's saying the opposite.
i love this panel, because it reads as so hopeful. i really read this as tsukasa wanting to know more about why amane is hung up on never seeing tsukasa again. how often does tsukasa ever want anything for himself? other than to know how someone is feeling? and this moment feels significantly softer than other times he's asked similar things. tsukasa's always asking: what are you thinking? what are you feeling? amane, are you happy to see me? so i think he's genuinely asking here: why would that be a problem? i interpret this panel as tsukasa really, genuinely asking amane to explain that he cares about him, that he wants to be with him. because he has nothing to go off of to prove that that's the case. are you happy to see me, amane? so what if you can never see me again, amane?
to get really specific, i love the lighting in tsukasa's eyes in this panel. his eyes are mostly in shadow, but there's just a bit of light at the tops of them; his irises are almost all black, but there's a little bit of light flooding in at the bottom. because i love to torture myself with tsukasa angst (lol), i like to interpret this specific lightning choice as representing understanding beginning to dawn for tsukasa. a literal flicker of hope. maybe... amane does care about him? maybe amane does want him around? he might just be starting to understand that amane cares, but he needs it explained more, needs it spelled out. hanako's actions have not suggested this is true, so all he can go off of are hanako's words. he needs more words from hanako to make it make sense. so? why would that matter? he's starting to get it, but he has to ask, especially since it goes against all the other signs he's been given.
but, of course, hanako is hanako/amane is amane (i love him but he does win worst communicator for more than fifty years running <3 lmao) so he takes this as a rejection, and doles out his own in return, not hearing the request tsukasa is making, thus affirming what tsukasa already thought: that he hates tsukasa.
the mix of light and dark is gone from tsukasa'a eyes after hanako says "i hate you so much."
his face and eyes are flush with light--with clarity. i know you hate me, amane. no more doubt, no more questions, no more hope.
i'm obsessed with the angst of this entire interaction, and tsukasa asking, "so?" is the hinge it all rests on. the moment of suspension.
here's their chance. here is tsukasa wanting to understand why hanako isn't going through with the plan just because the two of them would never see each other again. here is hanako's chance to explain that he cares.
but it can't line up, not expressed like this. not with "do you love me?" tsuakasa and "of course!" amane. not when they're both so sure their love for the other is obvious, not when they both hear rejection in everything. not when they've both come to expect loneliness as a default, to the point where the other caring about them is never the logical conclusion in their eyes, no matter how obvious their love for the other seems to themselves.
here is a beginning, here in tsukasa's eyes, in his question. but both of them are only ever expecting an end.
(this analysis of tsukasa's eyes in this interaction also connects to the seed of a larger theory i want to explore more soon, which is the possibility that tsukasa's eyes going black isn't necessarily--or at least not exclusively--about the entity's powers taking over, but rather/additionally a reflection of his emotional state... but then that also ties into the really long post i'm trying to wrangle into coherence about tsukasa being genuinely tsukasa... so i may have to elaborate on that another time lol)
thank you again for the ask!! i really love diving into all the possible meanings behind specific/small moments, so i had a lot of fun with this!!
#wow this is so much rambling for such a small moment/theme sorry yall#this really got away from me lmao#but i hope it was fun to read!!#tsukasa is just such a thought provoking character#there's such a perfect balance of stuff we're given and stuff we're not with him#he's so well written and compelling i cannot have simple thoughts about it lol#tsukasa yugi#yugi tsukasa#tbhk spoilers#tbhk#yugi twins#ask
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do girl jeri and boy jerry exist explicitly to torment me
#boy jerry#girl jeri#abstinence camp#just reread my favorite jeri/ry fic im not okay#what the fuck is wrong with them why are they like that. never change đ#i need to stop provoking jeri/ry thoughts after i'm supposed to be alseep how am i meant to go to bed#when there are fictional characters who are doomed to be apart no matter how much they want to be together. no matter#how inseperable they are#no matter how much they love each other unconditionally. even after they each broke their number one rule#no matter how much theyve forgiven each other (but not really. theres some deep seeded part of them that cant be forgiven)#no matter how close they are to each other. they can only be friends. very close friends#hi have you ever thought about 'the little death' in reference to 'til death do us part'? because i do. i do.#definite's ted talks
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Treatise on why No, the doctor just giving the narrator of Fight Club (full name) his requested sleep medication or sending him to therapy would not have Fixed Him
Firstly, saying giving him the insomnia meds wouldâve fixed him ignores the reason he has insomnia in the first place. He is so deeply upset by his place in society that he literally cannot sleep. Drugging him to sleep would not change that. That, of course, is the easy, quick response.
But with regard to therapy? The biggest flaw is that it ignores a central tenet of the book. Part of what tortures the narrator and drives him to invent Tyler is that his feelings about this collective, systemic issue are constantly reduced to a Just Him thing. His seatmates ask what his company is. Heâs the only one upset at the office. He gets weird looks if he says the truth of what he does. People will do anything in their power to pretend he is the issue, as an individual, because it is far scarier to consider the full implications of the systemic issues implied by what he is saying. Everyone treats it as if the issue is him, so he goes insane. He does anything to get someone to say, holy shit, thatâs fucked up, what youâre a part of is wrong. In an attempt to feel any sort of vague sympathy and catharsis, he goes to support groups to pretend to be dying, because then at least people donât habitually blame him for his anguish.Â
Saying therapy would fix him ignores that his problems are not individual. They are collective. Itâs the reason the entire story resonates with people! Something deeply, unignorably wrong with society, where people would rather blame you for bringing it up than try and address it, because it feels impossible. I donât blame people for this, really, because it IS scary. Itâs terrifying to sit and feel like youâve realized thereâs something deeply, deeply wrong, but if you say something, people will get mad at you since itâs so baked into everything around you. Or, even if they agree, itâs easier to deal with the dissonance by pretending itâs individual.
And itâs not like thatâs not the purpose therapy and medications largely serve, anyway. Getting into dangerous territory for this website, but ultimately, the reason the narrator was seeking medication was because itâs a bandaid. A very numbing bandaid. For these very large, dissonance causing problems, therapy does very little. Medications do what they always have, and distract you with numbness or side effects. Itâs a false solution. He is seeking an individualized false solution because he has been browbeaten with the idea that this is an issue with him alone, when it's plainly clear it's not.Â
Don't get me wrong. Obviously he has something wrong with him. But it's a product of his situation. It is a fictional exaggeration of a very real occurrence of mental illness provoked by deep unconscionable dissonance and anguish. There is a clear correlation between what happens and his mental state and his job and how isolated he is.Â
The thing is, even if he were chemically numbed, I do think he wouldâve lost it regardless. Many people on meds find they donât fix things. For reasons Iâll get into, but in this case because even if numbed or distracted, once youâve learned about deep, far reaching corruption in society, itâs very hard to forget. Especially if, in his case, you literally serve as the acting hand of this particular variety. Heâs crawling up the walls.Â
So why do people say this? Well, it's funny I guess. Maybe the first time or whatever. But also, often, they believe it, to a degree. Maybe they've just been told how effective therapy and meds are for mental illness, they believe wholeheartedly in The Disease Model of Mental Illness, maybe they themselves have engaged with either and have considered it successful. Maybe they or someone they know has been 'saved' by such treatments.Â
But in all honesty.... What therapy can help with is mentality, it's how you approach problems. For issues on a smaller scale, not meaning they are easier to deal with my any degree, but ones that are not raw and direct from deep awareness of corruption; these are things that can be worked through if you get lucky and get an actually good therapist who helps build up your resiliency. But when your issue is concrete, something large and inescapable? It's useless. At best it can help you develop coping mechanisms, but there is a limit for that. There is a point where that fails. To develop the ability to handle something like this requires intense development of a comfort with ambiguity and dissonance and being isolated and a firm positioning of your purpose and values and and belief in wonder and all the other shit I ramble about. The things that the narrator lacks, which lead him to taking an ineffectual death knell anarchist self-destruction path. Therapy, where the narrator is, full of the knowledge of braces melted to seats and all the people that have to allow this to happen? It fails.Â
And meds ĂąâŹâ meds are a fucking scam. We know the working mechanism of basically none of them, the serotonin receptor model was made up and paid its way into prominence. We have very little evidence they're any better than placebo, and they come with genuinely horrific side effects. Maybe you got lucky. I did, on some meds. On others? I don't remember 2018. The pharmaceutical industry is also known for rampant medical ghostwriting, and for creating 'off-label' uses for drugs that have gained too many protests in their original use, then creating a cult of use to then have 'grassroots' campaigns for it to be made a label use (ie, legitimize their ghostwritten articles with guided anecdotes).Â
The DSM itself is basically a marketing segregation plot. It's an attempt to legitimize the disease model by isolating subgroups of symptoms to propose individualized treatments for subgroups that are not necessarily all that separate. But if the groups exist, you can prescribe more and different medications, no? Not to mention, if you use the disease model, you can propose that these diseases are permanent, or permanent until treated, considered more and more severe to offset and justify the horrific side effects of the medications. Do you know why male birth control doesn't really exist? Same reason. They can justify all the horrible side effects for women, because the other option is pregnancy. For men, it's nothing.Â
And they're not bothering to invent new drugs without side effects. When they invent new drugs it's just because the last one got too bad of a name, or they can enter a new market. Modern drugs don't work any better than gen1 drugs. They still have horrific side effects. At best, the industry will shit out studies saying the old one was flawed (truth) so they can say this new gen will be better (lie). They're doing it with ssris right now.Â
Fundamentally, the single proposed benefit of any of these drugs is that they numb you. To whatever is torturing you. It's harder to be depressed if you can't feel it, or if you just can't muster the same outrage. Of course, there is people who find that numbness to be helpful, or worth it. But often, it's stasis. For the people who have problems that can be worked on, it serves as a stopgap to not actually work on said problems. The natural outcome of the disease model is stagnation for those whose need is to develop skills and resiliency. It keeps them medicalized and dependent on the idea that they're diseased and incapable. Profitable. Stuck in the womb.Â
Iâve been there. Itâs easier, to wallow, and resist growth because itâs difficult and painful and unfair and cruel and you can think of five billion reasons to justify your languishing. But donât listen to anyone who tells you youâre just permanently damaged, no matter how nicely they word it, no identity or novel pathologization, no matter how many benefits they promise, especially if they swear up and down some lovely expensive medications with little solid backing and plentiful off-label usage and side effects thatâll kill you. Some days it feels like they want us all stuck in pods, agoraphobic and addicted to the ads they feed us to isolate the markets for the drugs theyâve trained us to beg them to pump us with. Polarization making it as easy as flashing blue light for go, red like for stop, or vice versa. I worry about the kids, for fucks sake. Thatâs a bit dark and intense, and I apologize. But I want you (generic) to understand, there is a profit motive. Behind everything. And they do not mean well. They do not care about your mental health or your rights or your personhood or your growth. They care about how they can profit off of you.
For those struggling with immovable, society problems, like the narrator grappling with how his job fits into and is accepted by society while his rejection and horror in the face of it does not, it can work about as well as any other drug addiction. Your mileage may vary. From what I've seen, recovering from being on prozac for a long time can be worse than alcohol. They put kids on this shit. They keep campaigning for more. Off label, again. A pharmaceutical companyâs favorite thing to do has to be to spread rumors of someone who knows someone who said an off label use of this drug helps with this little understood condition. Or, in the case of mental illness, questionably defined condition. And like, damn, I know I'm posting on the 'medicalization is my identity' website so no one will like all this and has probably stopped reading by now, but yall should be exposed to at least one person who doubts this stuff. Doesn't just trust it. Because I mean, that's the thing right?
It's so big. What would it mean, for this all to be true? Yeah, everyone says pharmaceutical companies are evil and predatory and ghostwriting, but to think about what that really entails. Coming back to the book, everyone knows the car lobby is huge and puts dangerous vehicles through that kill people. What does it mean if the car companies all hire people to calculate the cost of a recall and the cost of lawsuits? No one wants to think about the scale that means for people allowing it or the systems that have to be geared towards money, not safety like they say. Hell, even Chuck misses the beat and has the narrator threaten his boss with the Department of Transportation. And shit, man, if every company is doing this, you think Transportation doesn't know? That they give a fuck? You're better off mailing all the evidence to the news outlets and hoping they only character assassinate you a little bit as they release the news in a way that says it's all the fault of little workers like you, not the whole system. Something something, David McBride, any whistleblower you feel like, etc.Â
So I don't blame you, if your reaction is "but but but, that can't be right, people wouldn't do it, they wouldn't allow it" or just an overwhelming feeling of dread that pushes you to deny all of this and avoid thinking about it. Just know, that's in the book. That's all the seatmates on the flights. That's all his fellow officemates. It's easier to pretend, I know.
But think about, how the response fits in with the themes of the book. The story, as a movie too. What drives the narratorâs mental breakdown? How would you handle being in his position? How would you handle being his seatmate? Itâs easy to say youâd listen. But have you? Have you had any soul wrenching betrayals of how you thought society worked? How about a betrayal by the thing that promised to be the fix of the first? Can you honestly say you wouldnât follow that gut instinct, saying follow what everyone says, that person must just be crazy, evil, rude, cruel, whatever it is that means you can set what they said aside?
For a lot of people, they can do that, I guess. Set it aside. Reaching that aforementioned state of managing to cope with the dissonance and ambiguity and despair is very hard. The narrator made the Big Realization, but he couldnât cope. He self-destructed. Even when people donât make the big realization consciously, theyâre already self-destructing. Itâs hard to escape it when it feels easier than continuing anyway. When it feels like the only option,
Would therapy fix the narrator of Fight Club? Would meds fix the narrator of Fight Club? No. He knows too much. All meds will do, by the time heâs in the psych ward, is spiritually neuter him. A silly phrase, but really. Take the wind out of his sails.Â
Is he fixed if he doesnât try to blow up town? If he just shuts up and settles in and stops costing money? If he still canât cope with the things heâs unearthed? Do you see how this is a commentary in a commentary in a commentary?
Fight Club is an absolutely fascinating story because of this. The fact that it addresses the fallout of knowing. The isolation. The hopelessness. The spiral that results from a lack of hope. This is, I think, what resonates most with people, even if not consciously. Going insane because youâve discovered something you wish you could unknow. Itâs a classic horror story. Should our society be lovecraftian evil? I donât think so.Â
Do I think changing it will be easy? No. Lord knows a lot exists to push people who make these sorts of Realizations towards feelings of individuality and individualized solutions and denial and other distractions and coping methods. And to prevent people who make One realization from expanding on it and considering further ramifications. Fight Club itself gets into this; the isolation of men being a strict part of the role society shapes for their sex leaves them very vulnerable to death fetishes, in a sense, and generally towards self destructive violence. It helps funnel them away from substantial change and towards ineffectual change. Many things, misogyny, racism, serve to keep people isolated from one another, individualized, angry, and impossible to work with. Market segregation; god knows even appealing on those fronts has become such a classic ploy that companies do it now, the US military frames its plundering that way, etc.Â
Iâve wandered a bit but ultimately, my point is this: Fight Club is a love letter to the horrors of critical thinking, and the importance of not falling into the trap of self destruction and hopelessness in the face of it. The latter is why Tyler was an anarchoterrorist instead of anything useful. The latter is why it was a death cult. Itâs important to work through the horrors of critical thinking so you can do it, and stand on the other side ready to believe in each other. Itâs worth it.
#fight club#my writing#uh. sorta#If you disagree with me it's fine btw. That's a given for me but I realize that's not usual for this website#my big desire is always to provoke thought and get people to think about why they think things#not necessarily to get them to agree with me. though obviously like any person i enjoy that#it was nice to type this out#also#aside from the prozac withdrawals mention and my own experience w memory loss (hilariously not even the most major of my beefs with the#medical industry! or even just the mental health industry! but its an easy nonoffensive one so#anyway i kept it nonspecific because if you go specific it becomes easier for people to just go 'oh well its That that's the problem and i#dont need to reflect at all on my drug/condition/issue/etc'#which ppl will anyway ofc. but yk#maybe theyll find it easier to ignore without the horrific specific examples but i want to leave it broad because 1. doing research and#going past the first thing you find and confirmation bias stuff is good 4 u#second. it's better imo to leave it more open for people to try and apply it broadly#whew ANYWAY#a bonafide Rant#i shouldve put#anti psychiatry#in the first few tags. i havent really looked on tumblr to see what the community 4 that is like on here because it feels like an oxymoron#on this website#but im sure it probably exists even if its used for smth else#(please change)
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I am going to be a killjoy and choose violence again but I did not like the spectacle of Marie Antoinette holding her decapitated head in her arms in the olympics, at all. I don't give a shit about Marie Antoinette the person, she was a traitor in the context of a war and she would rather betray France than give away her privileges. This is what happens to traitors in that context and she absolutely had it coming. I won't shed one tear for her, sorry if that bothers people.
However. The executions of the Terror are not something to make a spectacle of, they are not something to mock. They were an inevitability, a historical necessity yes, but they are not an esthetic, nor a pop culture reference. They were inevitable, even necessary because of the revolutionary context, because it was the people of France who demanded those executions, and when I say the people of France I mean the working class, the peasants, the sans culottes, people who lived in extreme poverty and misery. This was not just a civil war, this was a class war. Centuries of class inequality, oppression, hunger, injustice, needed a release and that release was inevitable, but the factors that led to it, the structural inequality, the privilege, the injustice, they are still relevant today. Those people, the people of France, did not ask for the king and queen's head so that, two centuries later, the political and economical elites of this world can sit comfortably in the seat they paid hundreds or even thousands of euros for, and mock and have fun watching Antoinette's decapitated head in a spectacle that cost around 300 millions, the same political and economical elites that are right now funding genocides, that are right now maximising their profit off the Olympics, that are right now destroying the welfare system and impoverishing the people of France, who are unemployed, homeless, and stuck in ghettos. But it's alright I guess, because we have democracy now so these people can still watch the spectacle in their TV (if they have a TV) from their 9 square meter apartment in Sarcelles or Seine-Saint-Denis that takes 80% of their salary. If they have an apartment. They must feel really lucky they don't have a king or queen anymore and all their problems are solved. What a fine mockery. I don't think the Jacobins would be impressed with this turn of events, I don't think that's why the french revolution happened because the french revolution is not an esthetic and the social struggles that led to it are still here, very much present.
I would advise people to leave Antoinette's head alone because she's dead and has been dead for 250 years. There are a lot of heads that are far too comfortable in their class privilege, right now, in 2024.
#Disclaimer: I'm not a specialist#I have read two books about the french revolution and that's all.#also I really liked parts of the ceremony and i don't want to accuse people who liked it for being fake leftists or whatever#the ceremony had some genuinely good thought-provoking and political moments that i enjoyed#i just want to underline a parameter that hasn't been sufficiently discussed imo#aspa rambles#olympic games 2024#olympics opening ceremony#french revolution
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In the first half century of his career, Robert Jay Lifton published five books based on long-term studies of seemingly vastly different topics. For his first book, âThought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism,â Lifton interviewed former inmates of Chinese reĂ«ducation camps. Trained as both a psychiatrist and a psychoanalyst, Lifton used the interviews to understand the psychologicalârather than the political or ideologicalâstructure of totalitarianism. His next topic was Hiroshima; his 1968 book âDeath in Life,â based on extended associative interviews with survivors of the atomic bomb, earned Lifton the National Book Award. He then turned to the psychology of Vietnam War veterans and, soon after, Nazis. In both of the resulting booksââHome from the Warâ and âThe Nazi DoctorsââLifton strove to understand the capacity of ordinary people to commit atrocities. In his final interview-based book, âDestroying the World to Save It: Aum Shinrikyo, Apocalyptic Violence, and the New Global Terrorism,â which was published in 1999, Lifton examined the psychology and ideology of a cult.
Lifton is fascinated by the range and plasticity of the human mind, its ability to contort to the demands of totalitarian control, to find justification for the unimaginableâthe Holocaust, war crimes, the atomic bombâand yet recover, and reconjure hope. In a century when humanity discovered its capacity for mass destruction, Lifton studied the psychology of both the victims and the perpetrators of horror. âWe are all survivors of Hiroshima, and, in our imaginations, of future nuclear holocaust,â he wrote at the end of âDeath in Life.â How do we live with such knowledge? When does it lead to more atrocities and when does it result in what Lifton called, in a later book, âspecies-wide agreementâ?
Liftonâs big books, though based on rigorous research, were written for popular audiences. He writes, essentially, by lecturing into a Dictaphone, giving even his most ambitious works a distinctive spoken quality. In between his five large studies, Lifton published academic books, papers and essays, and two books of cartoons, âBirdsâ and âPsychoBirds.â (Every cartoon features two bird heads with dialogue bubbles, such as, â âAll of a sudden I had this wonderful feeling: I am me!â â âYou were wrong.â) Liftonâs impact on the study and treatment of trauma is unparalleled. In a 2020 tribute to Lifton in the Journal of the American Psychoanalytic Association, his former colleague Charles Strozier wrote that a chapter in âDeath in Lifeâ on the psychology of survivors âhas never been surpassed, only repeated many times and frequently diluted in its power. All those working with survivors of trauma, personal or sociohistorical, must immerse themselves in his work.â
Lifton was also a prolific political activist. He opposed the war in Vietnam and spent years working in the anti-nuclear movement. In the past twenty-five years, Lifton wrote a memoirââWitness to an Extreme Centuryââand several books that synthesize his ideas. His most recent book, âSurviving Our Catastrophes,â combines reminiscences with the argument that survivorsâwhether of wars, nuclear explosions, the ongoing climate emergency, COVID, or other catastrophic eventsâcan lead others on a path to reinvention. If human life is unsustainable as we have become accustomed to living it, it is likely up to survivorsâpeople who have stared into the abyss of catastropheâto imagine and enact new ways of living.
Lifton grew up in Brooklyn and spent most of his adult life between New York City and Massachusetts. He and his wife, Betty Jean Kirschner, an author of childrenâs books and an advocate for open adoption, had a house in Wellfleet, on Cape Cod, that hosted annual meetings of the Wellfleet Group, which brought together psychoanalysts and other intellectuals to exchange ideas. Kirschner died in 2010. A couple of years later, at a dinner party, Lifton met the political theorist Nancy Rosenblum, who became a Wellfleet Group participant and his partner. In March, 2020, Lifton and Rosenblum left his apartment on the Upper West Side for her house in Truro, Massachusetts, near the very tip of Cape Cod, where Lifton, who is ninety-seven, continues to work every day. In September, days after âSurviving Our Catastrophesâ was published, I visited him there. The transcript of our conversations has been edited for length and clarity.
I would like to go through some terms that seem key to your work. I thought Iâd start with âtotalism.â
O.K. Totalism is an all-or-none commitment to an ideology. It involves an impulse toward action. And itâs a closed state, because a totalist sees the world through his or her ideology. A totalist seeks to own reality.
And when you say âtotalist,â do you mean a leader or aspiring leader, or anyone else committed to the ideology?
Can be either. It can be a guru of a cult, or a cult-like arrangement. The Trumpist movement, for instance, is cult-like in many ways. And it is overt in its efforts to own reality, overt in its solipsism.
How is it cult-like?
He forms a certain kind of relationship with followers. Especially his base, as they call it, his most fervent followers, who, in a way, experience high states at his rallies and in relation to what he says or does.
Your definition of totalism seems very similar to Hannah Arendtâs definition of totalitarian ideology. Is the difference that itâs applicable not just to states but also to smaller groups?
Itâs like a psychological version of totalitarianism, yes, applicable to various groups. As we see now, thereâs a kind of hunger for totalism. It stems mainly from dislocation. Thereâs something in us as human beings which seeks fixity and definiteness and absoluteness. Weâre vulnerable to totalism. But itâs most pronounced during times of stress and dislocation. Certainly Trump and his allies are calling for a totalism. Trump himself doesnât have the capacity to sustain an actual continuous ideology. But by simply declaring his falsehoods to be true and embracing that version of totalism, he can mesmerize his followers and they can depend upon him for every truth in the world.
You have another great term: âthought-terminating clichĂ©.â
Thought-terminating cliché is being stuck in the language of totalism. So that any idea that one has that is separate from totalism is wrong and has to be terminated.
What would be an example from Trumpism?
The Big Lie. Trumpâs promulgation of the Big Lie has surprised everyone with the extent to which it can be accepted and believed if constantly reiterated.
Did it surprise you?
It did. Like others, I was fooled in the sense of expecting him to be so absurd that, for instance, that he wouldnât be nominated for the Presidency in the first place.
Next on my list is âatrocity-producing situation.â
Thatâs very important to me. When I looked at the Vietnam War, especially antiwar veterans, I felt they had been placed in an atrocity-producing situation. What I meant by that was a combination of military policies and individual psychology. There was a kind of angry grief. Really all of the My Lai massacre could be seen as a combination of military policy and angry grief. The men had just lost their beloved older sergeant, George Cox, who had been a kind of father figure. He had stepped on a booby trap. The company commander had a ceremony. He said, âThere are no innocent civilians in this area.â He gave them carte blanche to kill everyone. The eulogy for Sergeant Cox combined with military policy to unleash the slaughter of My Lai, in which almost five hundred people were killed in one morning.
Youâve written that people who commit atrocities in an atrocity-producing situation would never do it under different circumstances.
People go into an atrocity-producing situation no more violent, or no more moral or immoral, than you or me. Ordinary people commit atrocities.
That brings us to âmalignant normality.â
It describes a situation that is harmful and destructive but becomes routinized, becomes the norm, becomes accepted behavior. I came to that by looking at malignant nuclear normality. After the Second World War, the assumption was that we might have to use the weapon again. At Harvardâs Kennedy School of Government, a group of faculty members wrote a book called âLiving with Nuclear Weapons.â There was a book by Joseph Nye called âNuclear Ethics.â His ânuclear ethicsâ included using the weapon. Later there was Star Wars, the anti-missile missiles which really encouraged first-strike use. These were examples of malignant nuclear normality. Other examples were the scenarios by people like [the physicists] Edward Teller and Herman Kahn in which we could use the weapons and recover readily from nuclear war. We could win nuclear wars.
And now, according to the Doomsday Clock, weâre closer to possible nuclear disaster than ever before. Yet there doesnât seem to be the same sense of pervasive dread that there was in the seventies and eighties.
I think in our minds apocalyptic events merge. I see parallels between nuclear and climate threats. Charles Strozier and I did a study of nuclear fear. People spoke of nuclear fear and climate fear in the same sentence. Itâs as if the mind has a certain area for apocalyptic events. I speak of âclimate swerve,â of growing awareness of climate danger. And nuclear awareness was diminishing. But that doesnât mean that nuclear fear was gone. It was still there in the Zeitgeist and itâs still very much with us, the combination of nuclear and climate change, and now COVID, of course.
How about âpsychic numbingâ?
Psychic numbing is a diminished capacity or inclination to feel. One point about psychic numbing, which could otherwise resemble other defense mechanisms, like de-realization or repression: it only is concerned with feeling and nonfeeling. Of course, psychic numbing can also be protective. People in Hiroshima had to numb themselves. People in Auschwitz had to numb themselves quite severely in order to get through that experience. People would say, âI was a different person in Auschwitz.â They would say, âI simply stopped feeling.â Much of life involves keeping the balance between numbing and feeling, given the catastrophes that confront us.
A related concept that you use, which comes from Martin Buber, is âimagining the real.â
Itâs attributed to Martin Buber, but as far as I can tell, nobody knows exactly where he used it. It really means the difficulty in taking in what is actual. Imagining the real becomes necessary for imagining our catastrophes and confronting them and for that turn by which the helpless victim becomes the active survivor who promotes renewal and resilience.
How does that relate to another one of your concepts, nuclearism?
Nuclearism is the embrace of nuclear weapons to solve various human problems and the commitment to their use. I speak of a strange early expression of nuclearism between Oppenheimer and Niels Bohr, who was a great mentor of Oppenheimer. Bohr came to Los Alamos. And they would have abstract conversations. They had this idea that nuclear weapons could be both a source of destruction and havoc and a source of good because their use would prevent any wars in the future. And that view has never left us. Oppenheimer never quite renounced it, though, at other times, he said he had blood on his handsâin his famous meeting with Truman.
Have you seen the movie âOppenheimerâ?
Yes. I thought it was a well-made film by a gifted filmmaker. But it missed this issue of nuclearism. It missed the Bohr-Oppenheimer interaction. And worst of all, it said nothing about what happened in Hiroshima. It had just a fleeting image of his thinking about Hiroshima. My view is that his success in making the weapon was the source of his personal catastrophe. He was deeply ambivalent about his legacy. Iâm very sensitive to that because that was how I got to my preoccupation with Oppenheimer: through having studied Hiroshima, having lived there for six months, and then asking myself, What happened on the other side of the bombâthe people who made it, the people who used it? They underwent a kind of numbing. Itâs also true that Oppenheimer, in relationship to the larger hydrogen bombs, became the most vociferous critic of nuclearism. Thatâs part of his story. The moral of Oppenheimerâs story is that we need abolition. Thatâs the only human solution.
By abolition, you mean destruction of all existing weapons?
Yes, and not building any new ones.
Have you been following the war in Ukraine? Do you see Putin as engaging in nuclearism?
I do. He has a constant threat of using nuclear weapons. Some feel that his very threat is all that he can do. But we canât always be certain. I think he is aware of the danger of nuclear weapons to the human race. He has shown that awareness, and it has been expressed at times by his spokesman. But we canât ever fully know. His emotions are so otherwise extreme.
Thereâs a messianic ideology in Russia. And the line used on Russian television is, âIf we blow up the world, at least we will go straight to Heaven. And they will just croak.â
Thereâs always been that idea with nuclearism. One somehow feels that oneâs own group will survive and others will die. Itâs an illusion, of course, but itâs one of the many that we call forth in relation to nuclear danger.
Are you in touch with any of your former Russian counterparts in the anti-nuclear movement?
Iâve never entirely left the anti-nuclear movements. Iâve been particularly active in Physicians for Social Responsibility. We had meetingsâor bombings, as we used to call itâin different cities in the country, describing what would happen if a nuclear war occurred. We had a very simple message: weâre physicians and weâd like to be able to patch you up after this war, but it wonât really be possible because all medical facilities will be destroyed, and probably youâll be dead, and weâll be dead. We did the same internationally with the International Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War, which won the Nobel Peace Prize. Thereâs a part of the movement thatâs not appreciated sufficiently. [Yevgeny] Chazov, who was the main Soviet representative, was a friend of Gorbachevâs, and he was feeding Gorbachev this view of common security. And Gorbachev quickly took on the view of nuclear weapons that we had. There used to be a toast: either an American or a Soviet would get up and say, âI toast you and your leaders and your people. And your survival, because if you survive, we survive. And if you die, we die.â
Letâs talk about proteanism.
Proteanism is, of course, named after the notorious shape-shifter Proteus. It suggests a self that is in motion, that is multiple rather than made up of fixed ideas, and changeable and can be transformed. There is an ongoing struggle between proteanism and fixity. Proteanism is no guarantee of achievement or of ridding ourselves of danger. But proteanism has more possibility of taking us toward a species mentality. A species mentality means that we are concerned with the fate of the human species. Whenever we take action for opposing climate change, or COVID, or even the threat to our democratic procedure, weâre expressing ourselves on behalf of the human species. And that species-self and species commitment is crucial to our emergence from these dilemmas.
Next term: âwitnessing professional.â
I went to Hiroshima because I was already anti-nuclear. When I got there, I discovered that, seventeen years after the bomb was dropped, there had been no over-all, inclusive study of what happened to that city and to groups of people in it. I wanted to conduct a scientific study, having a protocol and asking everyone similar questionsâalthough I altered my method by encouraging them to associate. But I also realized that I wanted to bear witness to what happened to that city. I wanted to tell the world. I wanted to give a retelling, from my standpoint, as a psychological professional, of what happened to that city. That was how I came to see myself as a witnessing professional. It was to be a form of active witness. There were people in Hiroshima who embodied the struggle to bear witness. One of them was a historian who was at the edge of the city who said, âI looked down and saw that Hiroshima had disappeared.â That image of the city disappearing took hold in my head and became central to my life afterward. And the image that kept reverberating in my mind was, one plane, one bomb, one city. I was making clearâat least to myself at first and then, perhaps, to others,âthat bearing witness and taking action was something that we needed from professionals and others.
I have two terms left on my list. One is âsurvivor.â
There is a distinction I make between the helpless victim and the survivor as agent of change. At the end of my Hiroshima book, I had a very long section describing the survivor. Survivors of large catastrophes are quite special. Because they have doubts about the continuation of the human race. Survivors of painful family loss or the loss of people close to them share the need to give meaning to that survival. People can claim to be survivors if theyâre not; survivors themselves may sometimes take out their frustration on people immediately around them. There are all kinds of problems about survivors. Still, survivors have a certain knowledge through what they have experienced that no one else has. Survivors have surprised me by saying such things as âAuschwitz was terrible, but Iâm glad that I could have such an experience.â I was amazed to hear such things. Of course, they didnât really mean that they enjoyed it. But they were trying to say that they realized they had some value and some importance through what they had been through. And thatâs what I came to think of as survivor power or survivor wisdom.
Do you have views on contemporary American usage of the words âsurvivorâ and âvictimâ?
We still struggle with those two terms. The Trumpists come to see themselves as victims rather than survivors. They are victims of what they call âthe steal.â In seeing themselves as victims, they take on a kind of righteousness. They can even develop a false survivor mission, of sustaining the Big Lie.
The last term I have on my list is âcontinuity of life.â
When I finished my first study, I wanted a theory for what I had done, so to speak. [The psychoanalyst] Erik Erikson spoke of identity. I could speak of Chinese Communism as turning the identity of the Chinese filial son into the filial Communist. But when it came to Hiroshima, Erikson didnât have much to say in his work about the issue of death. I realized I had to come to a different idea set, and it was death and the continuity of life. In Hiroshima, I really was confronted with large-scale deathâbut also the question of the continuity of life, as victims could transform themselves into survivors.
Like some of your other ideas, this makes me think of Arendtâs writing. Something that was important to her was the idea that every birth is a new beginning, a new political possibility. And, relatedly, what stands between us and the triumph of totalitarianism is âthe supreme capacity of manâ to invent something new.
I think sheâs saying there that itâs the human mind that does all this. The human mind is so many-sided and so surprising. And at times contradictory. It can be open to the wildest claims that it itself can create. That has been a staggering recognition. The human self can take us anywhere and everywhere.
Let me ask you one more Arendt question. Is there a parallel between your concept of âmalignant normalityâ and her âbanality of evilâ?
There is. When Arendt speaks of the âbanality of evil,â I agreeâin the sense that evil can be a response to an atrocity-producing situation, it can be performed by ordinary people. But I would modify it a little bit and say that after one has been involved in committing evil, one changes. The person is no longer so banal. Nor is the evil, of course.
Your late wife, B.J., was a member of the Wellfleet Group. Your new partner, Nancy Rosenblum, makes appearances in your new book. Can I ask you to talk about combining your romantic, domestic, and intellectual relationships?
In the case of B.J., she was a kind of co-host with me to the meetings for all those fifty years and she had lots of intellectual ideas of her own, as a reformer in adoption and an authority on the psychology of adoption. And in the case of Nancy Rosenblum, as you know, sheâs a very accomplished political theorist. She came to speak at Wellfleet. She gave a very humorous talk called âActivist Envy.â She had always been a very progressive theorist and has taken stands but never considered herself an activist, whereas just about everybody at the Wellfleet meeting combined scholarship and activism.
People have been talking more about love in later life. Itâs very real, and itâs a different form of love, because, you know, one is quite formed at that stage of life. And perhaps has a better knowledge of who one is. And what a relationship is and what it can be. But thereâs still something called love that has an intensity and a special quality that is beyond the everyday, and it actually has been crucial to me and my work in the last decade or so. And actually, Iâve been helpful to Nancy, too, because we have similar interests, although we come to them from different intellectual perspectives. We talk a lot about things. Thatâs been a really special part of my life for the last decade. On the other hand, sheâs also quite aware of my age and situation. The threat of deathâor at least the loss of capacity to function wellâhovers over me. You asked me whether I have a fear of death. Iâm sure I do. Iâm not a religious figure who has transcended all this. For me, part of the longevity is a will to live and a desire to live. To continue working and continue what is a happy situation for me.
Youâre about twenty years older than Nancy, right?
Twenty-one years older.
So you are at different stages in your lives.
Very much. It means that she does a lot of things, with me and for me, that enable me to function. It has to do with a lot of details and personal help. I sometimes get concerned about that because it becomes very demanding for her. Sheâs now working on a book on ungoverning. She needs time and space for that work.
What is your work routine? Are you still seeing patients?
I donât. Very early on, I found that even having one patient, one has to be interested in that patient and available for that patient. It somehow interrupted my sense of being an intense researcher. So I stopped seeing patients quite a long time ago. I get up in the morning and have breakfast. Not necessarily all that early. I do a lot of good sleeping. Check my e-mails after breakfast. And then pretty much go to work at my desk at nine-thirty or ten. And stay there for a couple of hours or more. Have a late lunch. Nap, at some point. A little bit before lunch and then late in the day as well. I can close my eyes for five minutes and feel restored. I learned that trick from my father, from whom I learned many things. Iâm likely to go back to my desk after lunch and to work with an assistant. My method is sort of laborious, but it works for me. I dictate the first few drafts. And then look at it on the computer and correct it, and finally turn it into written work.
I canât drink anymore, unfortunately. I never drank much, but I used to love a Scotch before dinner or sometimes a vodka tonic. Now I drink mostly water or Pellegrino. We will have that kind of drink at maybe six oâclock and maybe listen to some news. These days, we get tired of the news. But a big part of my routine is to find an alternate universe. And thatâs sports. Iâm a lover of baseball. Iâm still an avid fan of the Los Angeles Dodgers, even though they moved from Brooklyn to Los Angeles in 1957. Youâd think that my protean self would let them go. Norman Mailer, who also is from Brooklyn, said, âThey moved away. I say, âFuck them.â â But thereâs a deep sense of loyalty in me. I also like to watch football, which is interesting, because I disapprove of much football. Itâs so harmful to its participants. So, itâs a clear-cut, conscious contradiction. Itâs also a very interesting game, which has almost a military-like arrangement and shows very special skills and sudden intensity.
Is religion important to you?
I donât have any formal religion. And I really dislike most religious groups. When I tried to arrange a bar mitzvah for my son, all my progressive friends, rabbis or not, somehow insisted you had to join a temple and participate. I didnât. I couldnât do any of those things. He never was bar mitzvah. But in any case, I see religion as a great force in human experience. Like many people, I make a distinction between a certain amount of spirituality and formal religion. One rabbi friend once said to me, âYouâre more religious than I am.â That had to do with intense commitments to others. I have a certain respect for what religion can do. We once had a distinguished religious figure come to our study to organize a conference on why religion can be so contradictory. It can serve humankind and their spirit and freedom and it can suppress their freedom. Every religion has both of those possibilities. So, when there is an atheist movement, I donât join it because it seems to be as intensely anti-religious as the religious people are committed to religion. Iâve been friendly with [the theologian] Harvey Cox, who was brought up as a fundamentalist and always tried to be a progressive fundamentalist, which is a hard thing to do. He would promise me every year that the evangelicals are becoming more progressive, but they never have.
Can you tell me about the Wellfleet Group? How did it function?
The Wellfleet Group has been very central to my life. It lasted for fifty years. It began as an arena for disseminating Erik Eriksonâs ideas. When the building of my Wellfleet home was completed, in the mid-sixties, it included a little shack. We put two very large oak tables at the center of it. Erik and I had talked about having meetings, and that was immediately a place to do it. So the next year, in â66, we began the meetings. I was always the organizer, but Erik always had a kind of veto power. You didnât want anybody who criticized him in any case. And then it became increasingly an expression of my interests. I presented my Hiroshima work there and my work with veterans and all kinds of studies. Over time, the meetings became more activist. For instance, in 1968, right after the terrible uprising [at the Democratic National Convention] that was so suppressed, Richard Goodwin came and described what happened.
Under my control, the meeting increasingly took up issues of war and peace. And nuclear weapons. I never believed that people with active antipathies should get together until they recognize what they have in common. I donât think thatâs necessarily productive or indicative. I think one does better to surround oneself with people of a general similarity in world view who sustain one another in their originality. The Wellfleet meetings became a mixture of the academic and non-academic in the usual sense of that word. But also a sort of soirĂ©e, where all kinds of interesting minds could exchange thoughts. We would meet once a year, at first for a week or so and then for a few days, and they were very intense. And then there was a Wellfleet meeting underground, where, when everybody left the meeting, whatever it wasânine or ten at nightâthey would drink at local motels, where they stayed, and have further thoughts, though I wasnât privy to that.
How many people participated?
This shack could hold as many as forty people. We ended them after the fiftieth year. We were all getting older, especially me. But then, even after the meetings ended, we had luncheons in New York, which we called Wellfleet in New York, or luncheons in Wellfleet, which we called Wellfleet in Wellfleet. You asked whether I miss them. I do, in a way. But itâs one of what I call renunciations, not because I want to get rid of them but because a moment in life comes when you must get rid of them, just as I had to stop playing tennis eventually. I played tennis from my twenties through my sixties. Certainly, the memories of them are very important to me. I remember moments from different meetings, but also just the meetings themselves, because, perhaps, the communal idea was as important as any.
Do you find it easy to adjust to your physical environment? This was Nancyâs place?
Yes, this is Nancyâs place. Much more equipped for the Cape winters and just a more solid house. For us to do all the things, including medical things she helps me with, this house was much more suitable. Even the walk between the main house and my study [in Wellfleet] required effort. So weâve been living here now for about four years. And weâve enjoyed it. Of course, the view helps. I wake up every morning and look out to kind of take stock. Whatâs happening? Is it sunny or cloudy? What boats are visible? And then we go on with the day.
In the new book, you praise President Biden and Vice-President Harris for their early efforts to commemorate people who had died of COVID. Do you feel that is an example of the sort of sustained narrative that you say is necessary?
Itâs hard to create the collective mourning that COVID requires. Certainly, the Biden Administration, right at its beginning, made a worthwhile attempt to do that, when they lit those lights around the pool near the Lincoln Memorial, four hundred of them, for the four hundred thousand Americans who had died. And then there was another ceremony. And they encouraged people to put candles in their windows or ring bells, to make it participatory. But itâs hard to sustain that. There are proposals for a memorial for COVID. Itâs hard to do and yet worth trying.
You observe that the 1918 pandemic is virtually gone from memory.
Thatâs an amazing thing. Fifty million people. The biggest pandemic anywhere ever. And almost no public commemoration of it. When COVID came along, there wasnât a model which could have perhaps served as some way of understanding. They used similar forms of masks and distancing. But there was no public remembrance of it.
Some scholars have suggested that itâs because there are no heroes and no villains, no military-style imagery to rely on to create a commemoration.
Well, thatâs true. Itâs also in a way true of climate. And yet there are survivors of it. And they have been speaking out. They form groups. Groups called Long COVID SOS or Widows of COVID-19 or COVID Survivors for Change. They have names that suggest that they are committed to telling the society about it and improving the societyâs treatment of it.
Your book âThe Climate Swerve,â published in 2017, seemed very hopeful. You wrote about the beginning of a species-wide agreement. Has this hope been tempered?
I donât think Iâm any less hopeful than I was when I wrote âThe Climate Swerve.â In my new book [âSurviving Our Catastrophesâ], the hope is still there, but the focus is much more on survivor wisdom and survivor power. In either case, I was never completely optimisticâbut hopeful that there are these possibilities.
Thereâs something else Iâd like to mention thatâs happened in my old age. Iâve had a long interaction with psychoanalysis. Erik Erikson taught me how to be ambivalent about psychoanalysis. It was a bigger problem for him, in a way, because he came from it completely and yet turned against its fixity when it was overly traditionalized. In my case, I knew it was important, but I also knew it could be harmful because it was so traditionalized. I feared that my eccentric way of life might be seen as neurotic. But now, in my older age, the analysts want me. A couple of them approached me a few years ago to give the keynote talk at a meeting on my work. I was surprised but very happy to do it. They were extremely warm as though they were itching to, in need of, bringing psychoanalysis into society, and recognizing more of the issues that I was concerned with, having to do with totalism and fixity. Since then, theyâve invited me to publish in their journal. Itâs satisfying, because psychoanalysis has been so important for my formation.
What was it about your life style that you thought your analyst would be critical of?
I feared that they would see that somebody who went out into the world and interviewed Chinese students and intellectuals or Western European teachers and diplomats and scholars was a little bit eccentric, or even neurotic.
The fact that you were interviewing people instead of doing pure academic research?
Yes, thatâs right. A more ânormalâ life might have been to open up an office on the Upper West Side to see psychoanalytical, psychotherapeutic patients. And to work regularly with the psychoanalytic movement. I found myself seeking a different kind of life.
Tell me about the moment when you decided to seek a different kind of life.
In 1954, my wife and I had been living in Hong Kong for just three months, and Iâd been interviewing Chinese students and intellectuals, and Western scholars and diplomats, and China-watchers and Westerners who had been in China and imprisoned. I was fascinated by thought reform because it was a coercive effort at change based on self-criticism and confession. I wanted to stay there, but at that time, I had done nothing. I hadnât had my psychiatric residency and I hadnât entered psychoanalytic training. Also, my money was running out. My wife, B.J., was O.K. either way. I walked through the streets thinking about it and wondering, and I came back after a long walk through Hong Kong and said, âLook, we just canât stay. I donât see any way we can.â But the next day, I was asking her to help type up an application for a local research grant that would enable me to stay. It was a crucial decision because it was the beginning of my identity as a psychiatrist in the world.
You have been professionally active for seventy-five years. This allows you to do something almost no one else on the planet can do: connect and compare events such as the Second World War, the Korean War, the nuclear race, the climate crisis, and the COVID pandemic. Itâs a particularly remarkable feat during this ahistorical moment.
Absolutely. But in a certain sense, thereâs no such thing as an ahistorical time. Americans can seem ahistorical, but history is always in us. It helps create us. Thatâs what the psychohistorical approach is all about. For me to have that long flow of history, yes, I felt, gave me a perspective.
You called the twentieth century âan extreme century.â What are your thoughts on the twenty-first?
The twentieth century brought us Auschwitz and Hiroshima. The twenty-first, I guess, brought us Trump. And a whole newly intensified right wing. Some call it populism. But itâs right-wing fanaticism and violence. We still have the catastrophic threats. And they are now sustained threats. There have been some writers who speak of all that we achieved over the course of the twentieth century and the first decades of the twenty-first century. And thatâs true. There are achievements in the way of having overcome slavery and tortureâfor the most part, by no means entirely, but seeing it as bad. Having created institutions that serve individuals. But our so-called better angels are in many ways defeated by right-wing fanaticism.
If you could still go out and conduct interviews, what would you want to study?
I might want to study people who are combating fanaticism and their role in institutions. And I might also want to study people who are attracted to potential violenceânot with the hope of winning them over but of further grasping their views. That was the kind of perspective from which I studied Nazi doctors. Iâve interviewed people both of a kind I was deeply sympathetic to and of a kind I was deeply antagonistic toward.
Is there anything I havenât asked you about?
I would say something on this idea of hope and possibility. My temperament is in the direction of hopefulness. Sometimes, when Nancy and I have discussions, sheâs more pessimistic and I more hopeful with the same material at hand. I have a temperament toward hopefulness. But for me to sustain that hopefulness, I require evidence. And I seek that evidence in my work.Â
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hello i am here to say two things
i want marlow as a companion so badly please let us know if you make a mod i'd cry/pos
Please tell me anything about your ocs one of my favourite things is hearing about people's ocs or what they're interested in. just rant at me like you've got a red string conspiracy board if you'd like
1. Ahhh you are just the sweetest! Sorry it took me a bit to reply, I really appreciate your words!
2. Thanks so much for giving me an opportunity to share things about Richie. Iâm donât know the best way to put OC lore out there so these kinds of asks help a lot! More to read below :)c
A fact about Richie is that he tried isolating himself in the Glowing Sea before his long trek out to the Mojave Desert. He had just cut all ties in the Commonwealth and heard the earth-shattering news that Mr. House was still alive. He thought the tough conditions in the Sea might calm him down and set him straight, but it turns out manifesting about the man who doomed you in a twisted hellscape isn't very healthy. His time spent there only turned his heartbroken anger into a full blown revenge quest. Surely killing an old flame would make him feel better...right?
The fact of the matter is, even if he hadnât passed the point of no return in the Sea itself, it would have happened somewhere else eventually. His steady decline was inevitable because he is just... so hard on himself, refusing to accept any kind of help or prolonged companionship. Under his confident exterior, the guilt and grief is eating him alive, and sadly all this self-destruction leeches out onto his friendships and lovers as well.
The sorrows of a man who needs to feel love to be okay, but snuffs it out before it can grow...
#fallout#fallout new vegas#fallout 4#glowing sea#fallout oc#dick marlow#fallout ghouls#my art#asks#thank u so much for the thought-provoking question!!#I really gotta stop pairing meme images with sad text jkcdsbdcbs#I can't help it... he's equally as memeable as he is tragic#but I'm happy to get little bits and pieces of him out there#and I'm also happy with how this little doodle turned out hehe#me? drawing a background? unheard of#I sometimes forget he has like... zero lore posts on my blog LOL#Phewf... I'll get there...#thank u again tho this was very fun
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You know, a lot of fanfics have the batkids call Damian âdemonâ or âdemon bratâ. And Iâm just wondering if anyone actually does call him that. In canon I mean. Do yâall know?
#Bc it does provoke angst thoughts#but I donât wanna be demonizing characters for things they didnât actually do iykwim#no pun intended#in fact I tried very hard to phrase that without using the word âdemonizeâ but it wasnât working#But like think about it#if that is an actual nickname#then itâs clearly a jab at his Al Ghul lineage/connection to the LOA#Which is something heâs worked really hard and sacrificed everything to reject#not to mention that one time he died and went to hell#Considering that in the dc universe you only go to hell if you think you deserve it??#angst galore#But yk#first I wanna know if thatâs even a real thing or not#damian wayne#batfam#batfamily#How do I tag
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Did he actually get the old couch back (or an identical used one) or is having the same couch again merely a part of the fantasy
#Really thought provoking episode for me upon rewatch#I'm asking all sorts of profound questions like 'couch status?' and 'what kind of freak takes kratom with bubble tea'#iasip#dennis reynolds#forgot to post this earlier
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It has changed me I fear
#again: I'm not ever going to be normal about this#detroit become human#this is half fun but also half serious#i think this game is really thought provoking and i hope it's not just me#can I get a hell yeah?#you're too loud al#detroit become human spoilers#dbh spoilers#dbh
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IVYPOOL SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE ONE TO BE KILLED.
I'm sick and tired of people listing rootspring bristlefrost or shadowsight, they mean basically nothing they're new fucking characters. NO! I want fucking BLOOD!
Give me a REAL sacrifice. Ivypool... I demand her organs and entrails.
Ivypool should have died in the dark forest as a means of trying in some way to make up for being a piece of shit to her sister and to protect her beloved daughter.
Rootspring should have died for Birstlefrost's woman pain while doing something stupid like trying to fight a badger for no reason because I hate him.
now that's interesting.... i'm torn because i was kind of hoping that tbc would be a sort of change for ivypool's character development in her portrayal in asc. i forgot that the writing team seems to think ivypool being a kitty conservative is one of her redeeming qualities for some reason.
girl who lost her daughter to a kitty dictator ^^
i also love how every "rootspring should have died" response i get is because they hate him lmaoo
#ivypool going back to a place of trauma and dyhing there.........i feel like someone could do a lot with that concept honestly#im not kidding i love how i get these really interesting thought provoking responses about bristle and shadow#then there's âroot should have died because i cant fucking stand himâ
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