#they are expressing themselves in their fandom space which is good. they are tagging in a way that is infringing on my fandom space.

[ladybyakuya]

| SWOON + NATSUKI SEBA .

+cw.—f!reader, canon-typical elements and themes, borderline yan themes, explic!t smūt, s/d dynamics + s/m themes, voice k!nk, strength k!nk, edging, use of sex toy ( vibrator ), orgasm denial,dubcon, begging, sub!space + sub!drop, praising, dacryphillia, aftercare

+wc.—2.6k

+syn.—Natsuki wanted to do something for you but that did not include hurting you; then, why are you crying ?

+notes. —This has been in my drafts for a few months when i made my debut post to the fandom but it's finally out. ngl the borderline yan behavior was a little hard for me to write given his character profile but i couldn't get that particular scene from my head. you'll see which scene I'm talking about when you get there and if you ended up spotting it please yell in tags / comments.this is also cross posted to ao3 & biker!gaku is my next post tho. | redirect to blog navigation.

Your relationship with Natsuki is ambiguous at best. You are an assassin. He is a weapon engineer. That is how things started between you two. You still remember the first time he asked you to volunteer for a test run for a particular weapon he made all by himself. He was so nonchalant as well as so tactless that it made you dismiss it. But you caved in eventually because he constantly kept nagging. He had the privilege to do so since you practically lived under the same roof as him, and ran into each other so many times throughout the whole day, making it impossible for you to avoid him.

“This is not going to be a habit,” you mentioned when you first volunteered and he just nodded. You swear you saw him laugh when he turned while nodding or could it be your imagination? 

Somehow this thin layer between being a test subject for his newly invented devices and batchmate diluted to the point that now he is testing you, your patience, and your sanity without using any of his newfound devices. You can not pinpoint when it all started, the dilution of such a boundary. A boundary that you dared not to cross with him. A boundary that you drew with the sole purpose of ceasing all sorts of expansion of his relationship with you. It was for him: to keep him out, not for you, and it failed to keep you safe yet it managed to shock you  whereas the mere existence of such a boundary tempted Natsuki enough to explore it, blur it, erase it, little by little until there was no trace of it.

Now, you are sitting on his lap legs sprawled apart to be as close to him as you can afford. He has both of your arms held under a tight grip keeping them at the valley of your waist. 

“Comfortable?” he asks, his lips grazing underneath your ear over your cheek ever so slightly as he inclines to check his grip on you. You give him a hum as a response. With his free hand, he pushes a hard bulb inside your pussy. You know what it is, a pleasuring toy, a vibrator but with your knowledge you considered it quite small. 

Seba-san said he wanted to surprise you with something. You have been so good to him, so helpful with his work, and needless to say so patient with him that he wants to do something for you; something that will make you content and happy, maybe wanting more of his surprises and thereby be dedicated to continue working with him on a pro-bono basis. 

What could be more rewarding for you than making you cum? That too for the first time? He heard you once. Talking about it to Shin, saying how you always had to take care of yourself. How nobody bothered enough to make you cum! Always busy with just getting themselves off first. Natsuki practically felt his body shiver. You have never orgasmed before? That's hard to believe. How could such no one make you cum with a face like that? So pretty, so expressive. Moreover, he knows— he is aware of it that he can achieve this feat, oh dear the range of pleasure he could provide you— makes it hard for him to think it through.

Natsuki turns on the vibrator and the intensity has already swept away all your attention from the surroundings channeling it all onto him. “Is that the highest bar?” One of his eyebrows stretches upwards. So, you want more. . .? Is this too little for you, dear? Natsuki does not give you an answer but increases the intensity just one more bar making your lips curl inwards. You tip your head down, let your eyelids fall and your vision goes dark for a second. The sound of vibration reaches your ear. He increases one more bar and it just threatens you to hold on to something, anything. 

Looking up you let out a wry awkward chuckle followed by a heavy gasp you ask, “Are there more?” Natsuki’s eyebrows pinch a little and then go back to normal.

“Yes.” His voice is low, raspy, and impatient. You try to loosen his grip but he is strong. You feel his grip on your wrist tightens further. “Three more buttons.” By now your legs have encapsulated his torso yet the urge to move your hips against his lower half does not go away. You do not want this sensation to stop either, just a little toned down but saying that might not give you the result you want.

Natsuki is not doing any better though. The choice of your clothing is bothering him, hindering him from studying you properly. He should have thought of that, perhaps buying you an outfit that would not expose your excited state too ludicrously. Honestly, he is holding back the urge to put his mouth on one of your nipples and suckle on it over the cloth. He can see it properly, your buttoned nipples. Do they match the color of your lips? 

You have started to whimper, just a little though like a wounded cat but that is not the sound he wanted to hear. He increases the intensity by another progression and your forehead rests on his shoulder sniveling. You are in desperate need of distraction. You just can not let him see you like this, crumble like a house of cards. You refuse to give him a glimpse of such an intimate moment. Not to mention it will be your first time too.

“You are so impressive.” Natsuki opined, placing a chaste kiss on your cheek. “I would not have lasted this long.” He lies. He lies because he knows he will win if you two make a bet to see who lasts longer. Maybe Natsuki should save it for the next session. Turning your head, you glance at him, gasping with your mouth open as he intently watches your eyes glisten with water. “Just one more left. You can do this. I think—he pauses to glance at your lips for a second. “I believe you really can if you try,” he soaks his lips by running the tip of his tongue in a quick swipe.

It's obviously tempting. You lean for a kiss but he sways his upper body away. Ah! The hurt in your eyes. The shock. The frustration. The anger. This is what he wanted to witness: the downfall of your tranquil demeanor that you always carry with you in each step. He increases the intensity to the fullest making you close your eyes. The way you are whimpering and breathing could easily be mistaken as the sound of a dying creature. His is hard but that does not bother him as much if he can see the tears rolling down your cheeks as you arch your body. There are beads of perspiration over your forehead, and chest a little bit on your face and hands.

“Stop.” you welp. “Make it stop.” Natsuki keeps the remote aside on the table, running the tip of his index finger over his bottom lip rashly.

“Why do you want to stop? You’re enjoying this, aren’t you?” He brushes his fingers against your cunt over the cloth making you jump releasing a hiss of pleasure. “Look. You are so wet.” Even after touching you through the cloth, his fingers are so sticky. He stretches his fingers revealing the strings of your arousal and glances at you. You can barely hold back your tears. You can not figure out if those are tears of pleasure or the embarrassment seeping into you as he licks his slick fingers staring right into your eyes.

“Then, at least leave my hands.” You say huffing it out with a pained sob then, start to cry making him go silent for a few seconds. He probably forgets to breathe until your whimpers start to get elongated, louder and finally turn into lewd cries of pleasure. This is a pleasure, yeah! It definitely is. He does not know what pleasure would look like on your face. So, he assumes it; even fantasizes about it a couple of times.

“No, that I can’t do.” He whispers but a mumble reaches to your ears. “But I can do this,” He states, taking his free hand behind you and interlacing his fingers with yours. It relaxes your strained muscles. He still kept his grip tightened while filling the gaps of your fingers with his not giving you even a bleak chance to free your hand. 

Now his face is closer to yours but you know better than to pursue the desire of putting your lips on his. He rests his chin just at the advent of your cleavage on your chest watching you as you start to twist and turn your body, buck your hips. Your feet stretch out as farther it can as the wave finally stops hitting the shore. The way you inhaled through your mouth and then exhaled it felt like you were about to puke. Natsuki was the first to question, “What just happened? I didn't…

“Why did you stop?” 

“I didn’t.”  Is he lying? Is this fun to him? Tormenting you to the point of ruin. Natsuki can see your lips droop like the wilting petals of a flower, eyebrows growing closer to each other. You roll your bottom lip inside your mouth unable to take it anymore, feeling a wave of sorrow building inside your ribs. But you do not feel Natsuki’s hand anymore. So, without wasting any further seconds to got out of his clutches and ran towards the bathroom. Natsuki follows without thinking anything only to be met with the chocolate of the wood. 

As soon as you bolt the door of the bathroom it all comes crashing down— flashes of his face when he was touching you, looking too fondly than he should, pushing your limits, and making you cum. You could not help but feel the guilt of it all since it was truly your fault all along. You could have said no and he would have listened. He is not that cruel. No. Never that cruel to you but you gave in because you were curious too. You were eager to know how it would feel to orgasm, to be touched so fondly and full of desire. And, you saw that desire in his eyes: that greedy lustful desire but you were wrong to think that you could contain it all in. Now it is oozing out of you, out of him. This realization that came so suddenly and so strongly which has been dormant for years, perhaps when you started frequenting his room often after being his mock-up weapon tester lets another wave of misery wash over you. Does he like you back the way you like him?

“I’m sorry.” You hear Natsuki’s voice. It is faded but you hear it, his breathing too. “I’m sorry.” Then again, “I’m sorry. . .I’m sorry. I— I will never do this again.”

“You don’t know that.”  You shout from the inside of the bathroom, your voice hitting the walls howls back at you, and then you gasp before finally breaking into a sob. It hurts. It pains. It aches. It agonizes you to think of anything or even touch yourself to release that piled up pressure in you. You feel as if there was no spark fiery enough to create wildfire in your body. All those hook-ups and bad dates that ended up with you being used as a thing to get off . . . they are all coming back to you now . . .maybe it's you. . .maybe it's you who can’t cum and that is why they did what they craved: took care of themselves with your help.

Natsuki can hear you; your faint sob coming through the locked thick wooden door as he stands leaning his head on it. He knows saying sorry no matter how many times would be useless now but he still wanted to say it because it was never his intention to hurt you like this. He just wanted to see your pleasure and push you to the high end of your limits, show you something so strong, so impactful that every time you would touch yourself you would think of him, so every time you ever think of going out with another guy you would think of him. As Natsuki’s head rests on the wooden door he draws lazy patterns on the doors while waiting for you to come out. 

It has been over half an hour. Natsuki does not mind standing even though you have not replied. But one thing has changed you have stopped crying. He can not hear your sobs anymore. He finally sits on the ground hearing something from the other side, his face still facing the door. He is waiting for you to come out, and see your face.

“Natsu, are you still there?” Your voice is murky. It wobbles as you speak more.

“Yes. yes. Of course. Am still here. Still here.” Natuski hears the lock of the door open with a click but you wait before pulling the door inside the bathroom to open it. You see Natsuki flopped on the floor, legs one of the other loosely placed with his headphones still as it was.

“Congrats. You broke the vibrator.” That was the first thing he could say when he saw you, your red swollen eyes. You are drenched from head to toe, water dripping on the floor as Natuski is forced to remember certain days when you would come home like this. Is this your coping mechanism?

“What?”

“Well. It was my fault too . . .” his eyes pull away from you as he confesses. He can’t think of anything other than being near you. He does not want you to watch you fall apart. If you do, he will be there to pick up the pieces and build Rome again. He knows it’ll be different Rome, he knows that but still worth a try. “Shall we go eat something? You must be hungry.” 

“Nah!” you walk past him, fully drenched looking for a towel. You appreciate his sentiment, you really do but right now you do not want those pair of eyes to look at you. Natsuki gets up and walks up to you holding you by your upper arm and jerking you towards himself. You do not protest much. You are tough. You can handle it when he is rough with you but lust and desire are oozing out of you. It’s hard to just watch and not do anything about it, about the spill. 

Natsuki cups one of your breasts and you cling to his touch like a branch of a tree reaching out for sunlight. He wets his bottom lip before pressing his thumb over your nipple. It does not take for him to wipe the boundary off that you had put up to keep him away. His lips on yours cascading like waterfall from a mountain,hand tending to your breast while your hands find a way to clamp around his shoulders pulling him into the kiss, dampening his clothes more and more till he squeezes your breasts a little too hard making you come back to reality, pushing him away to breath again. Your shoulders are against his chest now. His grip over your upper arm is still intact. He won’t let you go. He won’t let you go. He won’t.

“If you don’t take care of yourself then I'll be forced to do so.”  Your eyes are so sharp as you swat your head to look at him. 

“Yes.” You murmur and glance at his lips. “Yes. Yes. ‘course.” You lean towards him a little saying, “I’m hungry, very much hungry.” as your lips clash against his again.

[dorianwolfforest]

So I was given this response by a dev about the AI thing who I have since blocked, primarily for what I'm about to talk about in this post.

I want to talk about your right to absolutely be critical, mean, negative and angry about star stable online if you want to, and why that in no way, shape, or form is "harassment".

There's this saying in bookworld, "no authors in review spaces, reviews are for readers". Its intention is to say that, no matter how much you as an author want to know how people are reacting to your book, you do not go chasing down reviews because they're not meant as a learning opportunity for you, they're meant to let others know more about your product. You do not watch videos reviewing your book. You do not read through your goodreads. You do not intentionally seek out the two or one star reviews. You are, however, encouraged to find a friend who can look through the reviews for you, find positive or constructive ones, and give them to you.

If you want to learn how to improve for your next book, you make use of the beta readers. You make use of the sensitivity readers. You make use of the editors. There is nothing a review can say that will help you, because the book the review belongs to has already been written.

In a similar vein, I do not believe developers should involve themselves in fandom spaces. Yes, I will be overjoyed at an Ismael tweet, because that is Ismael's own space. That's his world. That's his presence, he's allowed to exist online if he wants to and Ismael is still allowed to talk about SSO on his account like how authors are allowed to talk about their books, because he does not go chasing down sso neg about his own work, the server upkeep. I, as the "reviewer", do not go into his tweet replies and let him know how much I hate the most recent quests or how bad a horse breed is (much like how I, if I don't like a book, don't go on twitter and tag the author to tell them that their book sucks). I save that for my space, the reviewer space. SSOblr, in this instance.

In our own space, as reviewers, we are allowed to be critical and negative about the product we consume, because we understand that it's about the work, not the people behind it. In many instances, we don't even know who the person behind what we're critiquing is. There is also the assumption, the hope, that the person will never see it, because developers, like authors, shouldn't hunt down reviews of their work, and if they do find something that is critical, it should be a standard that they either ignore it, or read it but don't respond to it.

We've had a grown woman on this platform beef with and publicly call out a teenager for expressing the opinion that the quests she made weren't good, with the justification that the review was "hurtful". Plenty of reviews have the potential to be hurtful, it comes with the profession. That's why you don't read them. Even then, no one who expresses critical thoughts does so specifically to upset or hurt the person behind the work, far from it. That's why we stick to our tiny individual corners of the internet and don't chase you down to tell you our opinion.

Within Star Stable Entertainment, the friends an author might use to collect positive and constructive reviews are your support team (which, unfortunately, isn't all that great. Hooray for being told to overlook antisemitism) and social media accounts. All you need to know about how people react to you and your work should be filtered through them.

If the person who used AI art feels targeted and harassed, that is on them. We didn't know it was even one single person who did it, you as a company singled them out to us so that we'd stop blaming you as a whole. Furthermore we don't know who it is, we physically cannot harass them. Who do we tag? who do we send messages to in order to harass them? No one. They would need to go on SSOblr and look through the tag after a massive controversy caused by them, purposefully searching for outrage. That's not on us.

You are fully within your right to have public opinions about the content you consume, and if a developer oversteps the creator/reviewer boundary you are not the one who should be apologizing.

[thecoolerliauditore]

One small thing I think a lot of people seem to have trouble differenciating twink and fem, like they can overlap but they are not interchangeable and one of my biggest complaints about the anti-twink thing is that when most people say it they mena anti-fem. Which... I will not get into it but I will point out that throughout all of western history from greeks looking down on gay men who take on the "feminine" role of bottoming to the edwardians with their "feminine gay men are a third gender" ideas, to the late 20th centurys misguided respectability politics of "straight gay" and "manly gay" and the distane for overtly feminine or camp gay men as offensive that followed, any percieved femininity in men being bad is a time honoured tradition even among queer folk. You even see it within the minor acceptance of gnc aesthetics where femboys and fem androgyny get backlash while bearish men wearing makeup and pink are praised as being more gnc. Kaz Rowe has touched on this topic in their videos on occassion alongside other similar topics. People WILL find a way to rag on men for daring to be feminine even within spaces made for feminine men...

... but that's all getting way too deep into queer history and far away from mcyt fandom, but I think about that a lot whenever I see someone using twinkification to complain about the overtly or implicitely feminine features specifically rather than the boyish and youthful aesthetics of twinks as a whole. There's overlap as you said in being clean shaven and petit but I do not think a lot of people have actually sat down enough to break it down and think about why they dislike those particular features that are often sited. A common example: being short is in fact not a twinkish trait, its a fem trait. This is a general issue of unmasculine = feminine to most people and the lack of acknowledgment of androgyny or ungendered traits. Either youre manly or youre not and if youre not youre fem, and if youre fem and a man especially a gay man that's bad.

I don't think anyone is being overtly misogynistic I just think as the internet spaces are wont to do they've moralized their preferences or examined the social acceptability of them as much as they would like to believe. Its like complaining about dyed hair and pride flags being the default popular option, you are in the counterculture space where those things are finally acceptable and people are allowing themselves to express those traits. Please learn to separate preferences from morality.

.... sorry i went on a tangent I think I dont remember why im here talking about this...

Not much to add except that this is a good add on, and alot of this also acts as another reason I try to emphasize that I don't pass moral judgments based on how people draw characters -- I too have biases I could easily project onto others and what is moral in my worldview could be the opposite for someone else with a different mindset.

FYI I do agree on the young twinkish /=/ fem, using my own designs as examples again I do think my Grian and Scott you could argue are feminized compared to their respective CCs, but I wouldn't call them feminine on their own. I mean there's definitely wiggle room and something there about comparing designs inspired by anime tropes which stem from Japanese beauty standards and conceptualizations of masculinity to maybe some of the whitest men currently walking planet earth but. yeah in my opinion my Grian isn't fem he's just a twink which other people might see as "feminized" -- I just made the assumption anon was at least partially talking about designs like mine because I feel like he's pretty much the standard fanon grian design to me unless the entire grian tag started drawing him with eyelashes whilst I wasn't looking. Psychosexual game of telephone.

But anyway yessss good shout on the queer history, I was actually just on a derek guy thread mentioning the "manly gays" of the 80s who dressed in a way to combat the effeminate reputation gay men had (and thus alienated the gay men who Were feminine). He talked about how a lot of that style has now gone mainstream and been adopted by very homophobic men which is very funny and ironic but also interesting how that loops back into itself.

Also got interested in the videos you mentioned and this was the one I watched (cus I found it first)

LOTS of good points in here I think people should know because this made me realise despite how influential anime is on this fandom, most of the people here aren't necessarily weebs or aware of fujoshi history. Really liked the points about xenophobia and how western BL is held up as "progressive" whereas asian BL is "problematic" in peoples minds as well as the mentioning that a lot of the strongest anti-fujo sentiment comes from people who would very much be considered fujoshi by the men who coined the term. This comment sums it up better than I could, I think.

Because. Yeah. Thinking about that point I talked about awhile back where a lot of the people who I've seen hate on "anime twink grian" have very twinkish designs themselves. It also seems to be a sliding scale of what a "twink" even is, this is a non-fandom example but I was reading this manga with a friend and they called this character a "twink", which I think really emphasizes how a lot of peoples conception of "twink" is more of an amorphous concept than just the body type.

So what you end up with is people who draw very standard Grians and then hate on others for drawing more or less the same design but in a more explicitly anime-inspired style or like. slightly smaller/skinnier.

I'd be interested to hear what your disagreements are with the video cus personally I'm not so sure about the roundabout "But Bad Yaoi is still Bad" stuff which is essentially still the same Good Queer, Bad Queer attitude that haunts so much queer discourse but that's just me. Also not entirely sure about the women liking BL because they like men, nearly all of the fujos I know have very little interest in men irl, but I'm also very much surrounded by queer people so my data is also biased.

REALLY GOOD POINT ABOUT THE TERF/ANTI-FUJO OVERLAP TOO. Not much to add in that regard but it's been something I've noticed and I'm glad I'm not the only one. I remember seeing a lot very. Strange stuff coming from people with rainbow flags in their bio about the creator of the webtoon Boyfriends when I was paying more attenton to webtoons.

I think you mentioned the whole. pushback against twink designs being counter-counterculture awhile back and I think that sums it up really well. Let men be masculine, etc etc

And all of this really doesn't even? Mean much from me I think cus I'd like to think most of my designs although differing from the CCs ARE pretty recognizable as 30+ men with like. very minimal frills (long haired etho clawed out of me kicking and screaming I think). So I really do not have a horse in this race at all lmao I just don't like people trying to police fandom with nebulous assertions of morality, especially when it's like. That video of the hyper-woke dude and the trump fanboy who have different takes about topics but arrive at the same conclusions. Girl just draw your own shit if you don't like luminousslime it really is not that serious and sometimes a specific design just. leaves a deep impression on the fandom consciousness. What I said before about how I appreciate people who just make their own shit instead of complaining that they're not being catered to.

[hispillowprince]

not to "um akshully..." with my first post on my shiny new blog (that is exactly what i am doing),

but ao3 (and initially tumblr to an extent) is, to its core, a "proship" website. the funny thing about this more recent distinction between pro/antis, the terminology itself and the discourse surrounding it is that it's simply rebranding and packaging topics of censorship within spaces that exist for self expression by and for fans/nerds/outcasts/what have you.

the principle of using a tagging and filtering system to AVOID broader censorship (that more often targets marginalized groups and limits freedom of expression) is a progressive one. censorship that is out of the hands of the community is not. this does NOT mean that everyone should simply subject themselves to content that makes them uncomfortable, or that people shouldn't be held responsible for, you know, basic human decency and respecting boundaries with one another...which is why tagging and filtering systems are set in place for us to have the ability at our disposal without altering the experience for others. what it DOES mean is we know that understanding that distinction between fantasy and reality is often integral to our experience in fandom.

we are not spokespeople. we are not and should not be held to a standard of wholesome, squeaky clean representation in our own free time and space we have simply to have fun and find like-minded people. this isn't the writing room for a bloody disney channel program trying to make The Gays palatable to pearl clutching parents, and frankly, when websites like tumblr, fanfiction sites etc are hit with the banhammer, things tend to only go downhill from there and lose creativity and engagement (including sfw creatives!). censorship has always and will always target those that don't fit the marketing bill, aka unsavory "fans/nerds/outcasts/what have you," whom are often - you guessed it - marginalized people that utilize fandom as an outlet.

whether people use fiction to draw inspiration for their art, process and recontextualize things in their lives (like traumatic events, introspection, humanitarian issues and so on), find community or simply have a good time, it is something that makes the human experience so fascinating. we have always and likely WILL always fantasize, dream and create (and share in those things).

to me, the fundamentals of an anti-harassment or proship stance is not that fiction has NO bearing on people or their experience, but that without the ability to make our own decisions and boundaries for ourselves, we are inhibited from learning, progressing and breaking the barriers of what confines us. this includes - but is not limited to - sexuality and sexual content.

sexuality. sex. infamously a natural form of expression/communication that has been weaponized and stolen from people in a sickeningly long game of "if we can't sell it or use it to manipulate and instill fear into you, then we don't talk about it at all." this game is effective in its continued tired controversy over whether or not people are allowed to discuss icky, gross sex in ways that can sometimes challenge our relationship with it and how we've been socialized to approach it. WHY open discussion about these things is healthy and helps set a precedence for being safe and mindful with it.

how does this tie in with proshipping? it's an alignment of values with censorship in this way. it's symbolic, really. we reclaim power for ourselves, making our queer coded villains and monsters something to play with than to shut us out. giving our little faves toxicity as a treat because we know how harmful it is to navigate a world without anyone to guide us through the steps or understand our own history/ies. or, you know, just be horny and silly online and find people who want to do the same.

anyone who claims they're pro/anti and makes it solely about what they deem okay to harass others with earns them my opinion that they're an asshole. anyone who simply does not want to engage with/discuss something that may or may not be considered problematic or controversial is simply a person. we all have lines we draw for ourselves. much like how someone playing d&d or video games doesn't spawn evil cultists or violent criminals, exploring sexual themes through fiction does not a predator make.

so, on that note - the end, lol. i hope this drabble of not entirely coherent figurative fist shaking at the sky serves you, or doesn't. either way, you know what to do when you don't like something! it's called blocking, babeeey. gold star if you made it to the end of this fat essay lmao

drinking water is really important though fr like it's not just a memefied thing it's-

[praetorqueenreyna]

I disagree with your take on men not being able to experience SA (even if Ianthe is a stupid character and its alarming that SJM only seems to villianize her female characters committing SA) but there's something to say about a group of people coming after you for saying men don't experience SA in the most unserious way possible when that group of people also unseriously support and romanticise the SA scene with Fey/sand.

its ACOTAR, a fandom rife with horrible SA takes and depictions but they can somehow set that aside to stan the whole entire series and all of its demeaning themes and characterizations. Its also not lost on me that this went from "you're not putting wlw ships in a survey" to a whole research session on your opponent to discredit the fact that they did do the survey twice and it was for petty reasons.

Once again I wish you hadn't worded your take on men and SA like that, but hey it's your space and we do curate our online experiences. If that person knew beforehand that you posted things like that, why do the survey? If they had to search your blog after the survey argument to put a weight on your general character to take away from the original argument? Still backhanded, still not very "curating your online experience". We're all 30+ years old on a website that is very unserious and has supporters of incest of all things. I'd like to think half the things we are into or say here are unseriously said/or not said at all out in our regular everyday lives.

SO I will fully admit that that post was poorly worded. It was a casual post that was never supposed to get any traction, just something to throw my opinion into the ether. Not a serious analysis of how SJM expresses power dynamics and sexual assault. Part of why it's so confusing is that I literally got bored halfway through the tags and just stopped writing things.

Of course men can experience sexual assault from women, regardless of anybody's sexuality or attractiveness. My point was that women in power do not systemically abuse men in the way that men do women. I'm tired of lukewarm liberal feminists (such as SJM) trying to make some point about how the true victims of patriarchy are men. And that online warriors like the people throwing a fit about this do literally nothing to help sexual assault victims of ANY gender, and think that attacking some random person over a random post counts as social action.

But I totally agree with you! SJM seems perfectly happy to show over and over again these villainous powerful women who are somehow skeevy enough to offput the horniest men in world, but are conventionally attractive and don't really do much other than aggressively throw themselves at men. Which ALSO was a point of confusion: that post was not about Ianthe and Lucien. Obviously Lucien doesn't want to have sex with Ianthe bc he's gay. It was about how Rhysand, Cassian, and Azriel are all written as these shallow horndogs who bang everything with tits, but are somehow genre savvy enough to know that Ianthe is a Bad Female Character and are disgusted by her. It's not cohesive, it's just a way for SJM to villainize a caricature of a person and make her male characters (who btw are WAY more sexually violent than Ianthe has ever been) seem like good characters.

But again, this kind of bad faith interpretation and virtue signalling has nothing to do with real victims of anything. Because if it did, they would have had an actual conversation with me, rather than putting words in my mouth over what I did and didn't say. Quite frankly, they're mad that I'm a Tamlin fan, and so they're trying to tear me down however they can. Like you said, first it was "well she's lesbophobic bc there are no wlw ships on the survey." Then when I made my point about how the people who complain about that do NOTHING to actually contribute wlw content to fandom, it shifts to me doing something else. If I kept up the conversation and tried to defend myself, I would be accused of some other crime.

ANYWAY this is exactly the kind of conversation I do enjoy having, so I do appreciate this ask! It is so important to cultivate your fandom experience and try not to take this stuff so seriously, especially for a series as poorly conceived as ACOTAR. Not all of my posts have been winners, but the actual content of those posts doesn't matter. Because I like Tamlin, I'm always going to be a criminal of SOME kind to these people.

I fully admit I should have just deleted the original ask because it was not sent to open a real dialogue. It's a lesson I have to keep learning over and over again, but maybe someday it'll stick!

[bowlingforgerbils]

20 Questions for Fic Writers

Thank you @gretchensinister for tagging me!

How many works have you written for AO3?

40 works! I have some older stuff on fanfiction.net.

What’s your total word count?

Do you know that this is the first time I've ever looked at the Statistics on my AO3 account. I didn't know I could see my total word count! Anyway it's 149,665.

What fandoms do you write for?

These days it's pretty much Good Omens. But I have not forgotten my first love, Rise of the Guardians.

Top 5 fics by kudos

"Jackpot", "He Followed me Home", "I wear your grandad's clothes, I look incredible", "Under the Mistletoe", and "I Promise to Take Care of Him."

The first and the third one are Pacific Rim fanfics, the fourth one is a Good Omens fanfic, and the second and fifth one are my two-parter about Charlie and the Scientist, a crack pairing in the It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia canon.

Do you respond to comments?

Yes. It's my way of showing appreciation that someone enjoyed my silly little story. And I'm always happy to answer questions or talk about the characters. <3

What’s the fic you wrote with the angstiest ending?

Umm.... I don't really do angsty endings... I guess Shakespeare in the Park? It's not a happy ending, anyway.

What’s the fic you wrote with the happiest ending?

Again, this is hard, almost all I write are happy endings! Maybe Co-Habitation, because it ends with Aziraphale and Crowley living in the South Downs, which is my Good Omens endgame.

Do you get hate on fics?

No, although when I originally started posting When You Wish Upon the Moon on fanfiction.net, someone whined at me in the comments about not wanting me to ship Pitch Black and Sandy together. Thankfully, AO3 has a great tagging system, so I assume anyone reading my stories knows what they are getting into beforehand.

Do you write smut?

Yes! Not lately. I should rectify that. :3

Do you write crossovers?

Yes, occasionally, if the mood strikes me.

Have you ever had a fic stolen?

Not that I'm aware of.

Have you ever had a fic translated?

I don't think so... I have a vague memory of someone asking, but that might have been on fanfiction.net.

Have you ever co-written a fic before?

No, but many of my Rise of the Guardians fanfics wouldn't be what they are without the collective world-building of the blacksand community.

What’s your all-time favorite ship?

In general? Probably Aziraphale and Crowley. That I've written? Probably Pitch and Sandy.

What’s a WIP you want to finish but doubt you will?

I have a Good Omens pirate AU in my WIP folder that I lost steam in writing, but never say never.

What are your writing strengths?

I think I'm pretty good at dialogue, and also creating a plot that gives characters a chance to express themselves and hopefully experience some growth.

What are your writing weaknesses?

Moving the characters around in the physical space. I don't know if it's because of my generally weak spatial skills, but imagining where the characters are in the environment and each other is really hard! Fighting scenes in particular give me such a headache.

Thoughts on writing dialogue in another language?

It's not something I do, personally, except for a word here and there for flavor. I doubt that adding several lines of badly Google translated dialogue is going to add anything beneficial to my story.

First fandom you wrote for?

The Chronicles of Prydain, although I didn't know it was called fanfic because I was twelve and this was before the internet as we know it existed. It was about a self-insert fairy who was Doli's girlfriend. I liked how grouchy he was!

Favorite fic you’ve ever written?

It's a tough call, but probably He Followed Me Home. Not only because it was so much fun to write, but because I've received so many comments about how this story is a "comfort fic" for them, something that they read and re-read to feel better, and if that's not the highest compliment that I can receive as an author, then I don't know what is.

I tag whomever wants to do this!

[vintage-bentley]

Fandom also finally led me to terfdom as well. Not the GO fandom but still.

I’m not surprised, they’re so ridiculously homophobic and sexist that it’s hard not to stop and question things.

For me, I remember being introduced to what radfems actually believe (instead of what the TQ+ community claims they believe) while searching the makeup critical tags. Because turns out, radfems were the only ones posting things that echoed my experience of being pressured and expected to wear makeup. Then I think I started to lose faith in the whole concept of gender identity, mostly because I was starting to see how ridiculous and offensive the idea of heterosexuals calling themselves gay/lesbian/homosexual is.’ Basically just having little questions pop up in my head and finding out that radfems were the only ones with answers that made sense.

But fandom was what sort of pushed me over the edge, I think, because it’s where people go to let loose. It’s where people let their fantasies run wild. So everything you see in fandom, is the product of people’s wildest dreams. And I was seeing so much homophobia and sexism, making it clear to me that many people in the TQ+ community hold homophobic and sexist concepts close to their heart, and found a place to express that. I was always very annoyed by the GO fandom in particular, but I felt a sense of almost religious guilt over it? Like I was a Good Trans Ally, I shouldn’t be annoyed at trans headcanons. I shouldn’t feel like all of the PIV fanfic wasn’t gay, because it totally is, right?

But then repeatedly, TQ+ people showed me that they were entirely unwilling to put in even a fraction of the effort to be a gay ally, that I put in to be a trans ally. Just from seeing how hostile they were to something as simple as gay headcanons made me think “shit, if they can’t even handle the idea that a fictional character is only attracted to the same sex, what must they think of real homosexuals?” Which then led me to allowing myself to actually see the homophobia in what people said about things like “genital preference”, instead of trying to block out the discomfort I felt in fear of being “transphobic”.

Ultimately it was this essay that really showed me how much the TQ+ community hates homosexuals. Because I read it, and as a lesbian it made so much sense to me. I remember being so happy to have finally seen a perspective similar to my own; a homosexual perspective.

But commenters were bashing it as “transphobic”. Which just told me that to them, homosexuality and speaking about homosexuality is “transphobic”. And I was remembering those same sentiments being echoed by so many people outside of fandom spaces, and I had to accept that I just couldn’t associate with that ideology anymore. Not when it stood against the way I was born.

I could say so much about my whole “peaking journey” for lack of better term, but I’ve already said a lot lol.

[sizhui]

Honestly i do see your point with the post about fanfiction, but on the other hand having been in fandom spaces since very young (probably too young to be honest) I've just come to absolutely distrust fanfic writers (especially on ao3 because well. I'm sure you're well aware of the culture on that site) because on multiple occasions i have been hit by random unexpected graphic (very clearly fetishistic) depictions of abuse in works that seemed pretty solid otherwise based on the summary alone; incest fans are especially egregious for including that aspect with no warning whatsoever in what seems like an otherwise interesting story about two brothers from the summary alone, so like... as much as i agree that we don't need to tag every single generally harmless detail of a story because it significantly dumbs it down and ruins the experience it's also true that whenever i have branched out and tried reading stories that seemed interesting from the summary alone and had a minimal amount of tags i ended up getting bitten by one of my biggest triggers so i feel like... i might as well just read actual published literature (which i do regularly for fun and for school) when seeking something more challenging and with unexpected elements since the culture around fanfiction is just too rancid for me to trust fic writers to tag the appropriate amount and not just deliberately hide "problematic" (=abuse fetish) elements to jumpscare people for fun. So it's like yeah you have a point but it's a bit of a conundrum since a lot of fic writers aren't actually into this to say anything constructive. I'm sorry if it's worded badly English isn't my first language and my tone sometimes doesn't come off great through text so I'm not accusing you of anything or being confrontational. Anyway i hope you have a good day o7

I get you honestly, but I purposefully didn't touch upon the toxic, abusive CULTURE around fanfic and ao3 which actively protects harmful fetishizers and real abusers too - because that's a whole other very serious conversation to be had. My post sought to discuss fanfic purely as a type of watered-down, half-premade story and how it affects the way readers interact with original fiction. I did not discuss the huge problems with illegal content being hosted on fanfic sites because to do that i would have to sit down and write for a long time with utmost concentration, which I have neither time nor will for rn.

I will however say that if my post came off as "keep reading solely fanfic, just without tags, to chaenge yourself" then i failed to express myself correctly. I absolutely meant to convey that the primary focus of every reader should be published original fiction and nonfiction, because the things you can get out of them you won't find in any fic, since the fic culture and system is already established and truthfully a 3 note post will never affect it.

However, though I too havr major triggers, I am not averse to the practice of writing fanfic. I firmly believe that there are just as many perverse individuals among writers of original stories as there are among fanfic writers - abuse fetishism isn't unique to people who write about cartoons, they just got themselves a huge website where they can publish their works for free and expose an audience to it, so the problem gapes open and very obvious. However, there are thousands of people who use writing as outlets for their sick sexual fantasies who have never touched fandom spaces - it's just that you'll more rarely stumble upon their works because it's not as easy to publish them professionally (though look at shit like a song of ice and fire... i find it just as distasteful as some third grade torture porn fic) in conclusion, I don't really think that fandom spaces breed weirdos, i think they just give them an outlet and a spotlight. I may be biased because i've been into writing character studies and alternate endings to stories i liked since i was young, i just dont elevate those so much and call them proper literature and hide behind them like annoying ao3 aunties do.

[religiononhellsite]

Human Interfacing on Tumblr & the Genealogy of Posts (Entry 02)

How do humans interact with Tumblr as a platform and does this directly contribute to the content being posted here?

Tumblr as a technology has not only served as a queer technology, meaning it is a technology used heavily by LGBTQ+ people and one which enhances queer epistemology with identity realness, fluidity, and ambiguity, but Tumblr is also an explicitly transgender technology given its unique position to allow trans individuals to document, educate, and share their transitions with others while also being able to easily interact with other trans people and learn about their transitions in educational and affirming ways. This creates an ideal environment where the quantity of transgender content has helped contribute to the quality of peoples’ transitions. Much the same can be said for the other marginalized communities - that Tumblr’s unique technology contributes directly to the quality and diversity of discourses and content (Haimson 345-346).

The trans-technology and subsequent blogging style of Tumblr also allows for openness, change, separation, and realness when it comes to transition blogs and other content. Openness due to the safe, comfortable nature of the site where sensitive information could be shared; Change for how bodies and gender transitions involve fluidity; Separation from everyday life and anonymity; Realness because of honesty about transition as well as discourse about gender creating new labels – like nonbinary or agender - for trans identities which have since become real in material and embodied ways (Haimson 349).

The ways transition blogs demonstrate these areas are not unique to the transgender side of Tumblr and represent any fandom, which may contribute to why there is also so much blatant hate speech or radical positions taken on the platform. Tumblr’s natural inclination towards openness, change, separation, and realness allows for the most honest expressions, for both good and bad. For examples of the positive side, see the two posts below (first one censored by myself to avoid content moderation).

Both of these posts demonstrate openness, change, separation, and realness considering what you see in the first person’s case where they shared a photo about their healing progression post-top surgery. Sharing such “adult” photos is important because they help serve as educational content for others who may be considering top surgery or who have gotten it and are trying to compare healing processes. Additionally, the post warning about a specific doctor and the patient’s experiences after top surgery is another important aspect of transition blogs and demonstrates how the #trans fandom on Tumblr cares deeply about supporting each other and forming a community of protection. Other marginalized groups on Tumblr foster a supportive and protective online space as well, which generally helps keeps others safe from problematic pipelines; this will be explored more fully later.

In the two posts below, both by self-proclaimed trans-exclusionary radical feminists (TERFs), you also see aspects of those four categories, as what makes Tumblr a transgender technology also enables hateful content that may not be so openly shared on other social media sites or in the real world. TERFs will sometimes refer to themselves by that title, but more frequently use dog whistles like calling themselves Gender Critical Feminists/Gender Criticals or simply Radical Feminists/Rad Fems in an attempt to masquerade as legitimate feminists despite frequently aligning themselves with harmful and misogynistic right-wing organizations and beliefs (Pearce 681, 684).

More fascinating perhaps, is how one of the TERFs has chosen to use tags directly associated with the trans community. Using such tags as #trans, #transgender, #feminism, and #body positivity, are not uncommon from other TERFs under the #terf tag. Why would they do this? What this means is that someone simply trying to engage with transgender content and related tags can quickly find themselves directly engaging with TERFs or seeing TERF content. For people newly questioning their gender or seeking education, this can not only be a destructive pipeline leading directly to anti-trans/anti-nonbinary beliefs, but if followed long enough, to even more radical and dangerous areas of Tumblr as will be explored later. Moreover, vulnerable people being exposed to TERF ideologies is also dangerous because TERFs inherently downplay intersectionality and power dynamics in their “radical feminist” stances which only promote privileges such as whiteness, ableism, and cisgenderism, all while essentializing “womanhood” in ways which purposely exclude trans women but also excludes many cisgender women who are the very audience TERFs supposedly claim to be “protecting” from trans people. Ultimately this can put at risk someone exploring topics like trans issues or feminism on Tumblr because instead of gaining more awareness about the intersectionality of queerness and feminism, or power dynamics within different forms of marginality, they can come away with essentialist notions of identity and feminism which may cause them to actively work against intersectionality (Pearce 680-681, 683-684, 688-689). While there are few TERF scholars and most actual feminists are trans-inclusive (Pearce 683), exposure to trans-exclusionary ideas from self-identified feminists on a widely accessible technology may lead to far more people thinking that TERFs are the norm and not the exception when it comes to feminism.

Lastly, TERF ideologies also intersect on Tumblr with Christianity as witnessed in the above two posts, often in ways seemingly pushing back against conservative Christians and/or purity culture. However, as both prior TERF posts, in addition to the two posts above, show, TERFs produce a pseudo-religious devotion to “womanhood” that requires a series of qualifications to be considered a “pure” or “real woman,” thusly contributing to a “TERF purity culture” that is reified in places like Tumblr and TERF’s own supposed backlash to Christian purity culture. This “religion” is also evangelized on Tumblr as well by using tags specifically meant to intersect with other fandoms who, in most cases, want nothing to do with TERFs; in other words, “the sinners” who must be “converted” to #RadFem, #TERF, #gender critical ways of thinking. But even if TERFs are pushing back against traditional Christian purity culture on the grassroots level, are they actually unintentionally also contributing to it?

All these shared posts and the analyses of them are intended to show that Tumblr is interfaced with in unique ways contributing to unfiltered perspectives that cannot as easily be shared elsewhere. This culminates in posts, fandoms, and users frequently interacting with each other through shared tags thusly meaning content on Tumblr can be better understood as genealogies instead of the isolated and chronological-style posts occurring on other blogging/social media sites.

Works Cited:

Haimson, Oliver L., Avery Dame-Griff, Elias Capello, and Zahari Richter. “Tumblr Was a Trans Technology: The Meaning, Importance, History, and Future of Trans Technologies.” Feminist Media Studies 21, no. 3 (2021): 345–361.

Pearce, Ruth, Sonja Erikainen, and Ben Vincent. “TERF Wars: An Introduction.” The Sociological Review (Keele) 68, no. 4 (2020): 677–698.

[robinasnyder]

I think two parts of this particular issue are as follows:

1) tumblr's tag system is shit.

Which, yeah, everyone knows this, but it's really frustrating when you're searching in DC character tag and even if you have dcxdp filtered, those crossovers are 99% of popular searches. Even knowing it's tumblr's fault, doesn't change that it kind of sucks to be looking for a character/series and only getting content for an entirely different series.

This is, of course, a long running issue of tumblr, but it doesn't change the frustration. Hell,bI get frustrated with it and I'm one of those crossover fans. It's just bad when I'm searching for a character and I literally forget that I searched for that character bc every popular post is dcxdp prompt fic, even when I'm loving said fic. It doesn't feel great, especially if said character isn't as popular as say, batman, and so there isn't exactly a glut of new content to begin with.

I won't say it's crossover fan's fault, especially when everything is generally very well tagged. But I try to be sympathetic about it because it does kind of suck of the non-dcxdp fans.

2) DC canon is already a game of telephone to fanwriters.

This is a big issue that comes with having such a huge amount of content and not a lot of easy ways to access it. Even outside of the dcxdp space, just in DC fan spaces, I see comics fans who have expressed that they wished people wouldn't create stuff for characters if they hadn't even read the comics. Now, I'm not talking about what's wrong with that idea, just this: it's frustrating when a fanom idea is so big everyone quotes it like it's fact and you can tell a lot of people have no idea what the source actually says.

For example, using the batfam: there's an entire subgenre of Tim- and/or Jason-centric fics where they have an au of the titans tower incident where Jason breaks in and beats Tim for replacing him. A lot of aus are like "what if Tim got to tell Jason how much he was missed?" And then the fic gets mushy. Thing is, I finally read that chapter, and you know what? Tim does kind of get to tell Jason, but Jason doesn't really care. He still beats Tim down (though Tim got some really good hits in), but he walks away kind of respecting Tim for his abilities. So even though I love that au, in the back of my head I'm like "yeah, but Tim did tell him and Jason still kicked his ass".

Here's another example, from my favorite magic bastard man: John Constantine hasn't bartered and traded his soul away a thousand times. In one comic he sold his soul twice. Basically, he got lung cancer and to get himself cured, he sells his soul twice, then also pisses off another powerful demon so they also claim his soul. Those demons are the 1st, 2nd and 3rd of the Fallen, aka: the worst of the worst. He sort of tricks his way into being able to live bc all three demons consider themselves the full owner of his soul, all three want to collect, but to do so would encroach om the others claims. Aka: they'd have to go to war with the others to collect. No soul, even John Constantine, is worth a war in hell.

You can also see that part of the House of Mysteries show where they basically show him doing the same thing. But again, he sells his soul 3 times max, and not pieces.

But so many fics include the "sold his soul a billion times" thing that it's treated as canon, and its just... isn't.

There's a lot of DC fanon treated as canon as is, then add in another layer of telephone going through crossovers where is seems like most dcxdp fans come in from the dp side, or the batfam side. Which isn't bad. I literally started loving Constantine because of the crossovers and then started doing my own research and reading.

Short of stopping to read every comic in existence (of which plenty contradict each other) before writing, there's no way to assure that there isn't this game of telephone. But, again, no fandom should have such a steep learning curve to enter. And again, every fandom I've ever seen has some thing/character that is a certain way in fandom but not in canon and people don't realize because it's so prolific.

I suppose it comes down to this for me: we're going to keep hearing this complaint because of the nature of the beast (tumblr, the game of telephone that is dc canon *and* fandom, people who are just entering the fandom). The best I can suggest is as follows:

- Try to be understanding of the people who love DC and just wish that they had other people to share with/content which reflected what they're a fan of. (Especially fans of non-batfam characters.)

- keep tagging things as properly as possible.

- keep enjoying the thing.

- be open to learning about canon stuff and reading comics, cause there's cool fun stuff there.

- don't feel like you *have* to read to be a fan.

- don't be a dick.

DPxDC and OOC

I've had a couple of posts cross my dash recently where people lament that a lot of the dpxdc fandom writes characters very OOC and how we're proliferating these characterizations among each other. I figured I'd add my own two cents.

I think the fundamental discrepancy comes from trying to reconcile two canons with vastly different tones.

Danny Phantom is a comedy superhero show operating on cartoon logic. Why do ghost experts Jack and Maddie never realize their own kid is a ghost? Why is the status quo restored at the end of every episode? Why does Danny shoot an ectoblast out of his butt that one time? Because it's funny. It's cartoony action fun where the plot is resolved in 22 minutes, there's never any lasting consequences and it's aimed at kids.

DC meanwhile wants to be taken Seriously. Heroes get beaten within an inch of their life, traumatized, killed and even the good guys do messed up things (often to each other). Yes there's action and puns, but also horrific violence, actions have consequences and it's (mostly) aimed at adults. When a main character dies the comics show their family and friends mourning and things are very dramatic. Even though at this point we, the audience can pretty much expect every death to be undone within 2-5 years of publishing, but I digress.

So how do we, the fanfic/fanart creators reconcile these differences when we make our crossovers? We either make DP more serious and somber, or we make DC more comedic.

Suddenly we have a DP verse where the Fentons' bumbling obliviousness is elevated to serious neglect or outright abuse. The GiW are no longer a minor annoyance, they are a serious threat with genocidal plans and a desire to vivisect the protagonist. When actions have consequences, we imagine Danny as dealing with serious PTSD from having to be a solo superhero and witnessing his family's death that one time (and maybe also getting vivisected). Danny is not just a teen superhero, he's now the Ghost King with serious responsibility on his shoulders.

On the flipside, if we make DC more comedic we tend to exaggerate character traits for comedic effect, focus more on the interpersonal dynamics (especially the Batfam) and have the characters act more casual and silly. Suddenly the Batfam goes from a group of seriously messed up individuals who have trouble communicating with each other and fight all the time to Batdad "Kids if you don't stop killing criminals you won't get dessert ffs" Bruce. Violence is played for laughs instead of taken seriously. Yeah they fight, but they still Love Each Other.

And THIS IS PERFECTLY FINE. It's transformative work! And trying to reconcile these disparate fandoms is hard! Fandom is a labor of love. We do it for free. We do it for our own entertainment. And no one is forcing you to read fics you don't like. DLDR and all that.

[reineyday]

every day i go into the billy hargrove tag is another day closer to the day i post some sort of billy hargrove defense essay

[fleurdelouve]

𝑾𝑬𝑳𝑪𝑶𝑴𝑬 𝑻𝑶 𝑻𝑯𝑬 𝑶𝑭𝑭𝑰𝑪𝑰𝑨𝑳 𝑺𝑨𝑹𝑨𝑯 𝑨𝑵𝑫 𝑩𝑼𝑪𝑲𝒀 𝑺𝑯𝑰𝑷 𝑭𝑨𝑵𝑺𝑰𝑻𝑬

⚜️ Here is the first ever Tumblr fansite for SarahBucky / BuckySarah, also known as their ship name Fleur de Louve.

While this fansite will have a focus on Sarah Wilson, it is technically a ship fansite so it will serve as a place where all fan-created content is collected, both for the ship as well as for Sarah Wilson individually. This is a safe and fun space for fans of this amazing ship to express their admiration and love for this ship, and a safe place to have civil discussions or meta.

This fansite will hold events as well, such as: regular content creator spotlights and an annual Ship Month every November. We are open for any opinions, ideas, or concerns for future events or just in general—as long as they are civil and respectful.

(If you cannot interact without being rude or passive aggressive, we kindly ask for you to not message or interact until emotions have calmed.)

𝑨 𝑳𝑰𝑻𝑻𝑳𝑬 𝑨𝑩𝑶𝑼𝑻 𝑻𝑯𝑬 𝑨𝑫𝑴𝑰𝑵𝑺 + 𝑺𝑶𝑴𝑬 𝑮𝑬𝑵 𝑰𝑵𝑭𝑶

This fansite is run by three admins, two which are Black women. All are active in the ship community and encouraging others to enjoy themselves and have a good time, and enjoy keeping you pumped up with motivation!

As stated before, the goal of this fansite is to be an enjoyable space for fans but especially Black women

You do not have to be a fan only of Sarah and Bucky / Fleur de Louve. Multishippers / all fans are welcome.

We discourage “ship wars,” disrespect/passive aggressiveness, and do not permit minors interacting with posts tagged #nsfw.

We encourage everyone to have as much fun as you would like!!! We always encourage interaction with content you enjoy!!!

We want this blog to be a fun and safe space for everyone to enjoy their fandom experience and the love of Sarah and Bucky, including mods and fans, particularly Black women.

The rest of our short and sensible list of General Rules + FAQ can be found 𝑯𝑬𝑹𝑬. ⚜️

[iturbide]

There is a grown dude on twitter who is constantly sharing your takes through screenshots on twitter with his group of friends out in the open like nearly every day. He has also name droped you and linked your tumblr more than one time through twitter despite saying that they don't want people to harass you, the contradiction. Just saying because the some of the asks you received had the same arguments they wrote on twitter.

Apparently this is getting uncomfortable enough for people to actually come warn me about it, which I really do appreciate, because it explains why random blogs I've never interacted with have started replying/reblogging and accusing me of pretty heinous shit.

I can't adequately express just how fucking creepy it is that someone is this level of obsessed with my opinions. I am -- and I cannot stress this enough -- a small-scale fandom blog and niche fanfiction writer, and to the best of my knowledge my only crime is...having a different read of a character and not liking them the same way someone else does. And the last time I checked, every person who interacts with a piece of media will have their own unique read of it.

I have never intended to portray my opinions as facts, because I know full well they're not: they're opinions, based on my personal understanding of the facts I have available to me. Heck, I'd already been backing off of posting in the fandom tags because I know that my takes can be super niche and appeal first and foremost to me, because...this is my blog. It's my space. I like interacting and sharing with people who come here, but at the end of the day, this is where I post about things I like and sort through my personal opinions about them. I'm not trying to sway anyone or make it seem like they're wrong -- other people are entitled to their own opinions! I'm really happy that there are other people with different reads of the same material, because I do feel that makes fandom richer! But I don't appreciate people coming into my space and telling me that I'm wrong and therefore a bad person simply because I don't have the same read of the characters or the situations being discussed.

Again, I find it incredibly creepy that someone is consistently tweeting about my opinions and, intentionally or otherwise, getting people to accuse me of reprehensible things just because I have a different opinion from them. And at least some of the people who are coming from Twitter don't actually bother to read any deeper -- they take what they've been told by a stalker as The Whole Truth, even though some of their accusations make absolutely no sense and are actively contradicted by things I've discussed. The lack of thought or care for the fact that they're making these accusations against a real, living, breathing, feeling human being because of a difference in opinion about a fictional character from a fantasy game is frankly appalling.

Do I sometimes find things in fandom uncomfortable? Sure. Do I find some things in fandom upsetting? Yeah. But that's what the block button and filters are for. I would prefer to use those and let other people do things they enjoy with fictional characters and settings, because at the end of the day, what makes them happy isn't my business. I'll curate my own experience, make things that bring me joy, and enjoy myself regardless whether it goes with the flow of the larger fandom scene. If anyone dislikes that, they can block my tags (I tag thoroughly in part for later searching, but also so that people can block stuff they don't want to see) or just block me: my stuff gets no spread on Tumblr.

And for the people who apparently seek out reasons to make themselves mad, please take care of yourself. I highly recommend disengaging from things that make you upset, especially to this degree: it's really not good for anyone's mental health. Take a break. Do something that brings you actual joy. Play a game you love. Pick up an old hobby, or try out one you've always been curious about. Read a new book. That's what I'm going to do.

But I'm not going to let a stalker prevent me from doing things I enjoy. They don't deserve to have any control over my life, let alone that level of influence.

[amendments]

Pro vs Anti-shipping opinions from someone who is Neutral...and will get canceled on both sides anyway

It’s fair and 100% ok to deem ships that are problematic, “problematic”, and be uncomfortable with them...and maybe even try to discourage people from shipping them, but you absolutely do not have the right to act like an authoritarian little sh!t and dictate what people can and can’t do. Block and move on.

Proshippers can effectively draw/write/create whatever they want. This is the internet and no matter how much you whine and complain, the internet isn’t going to adopt a pro-censorship stance. However, if you create content for an obviously disgusting pair, you’re going to get criticism, and people are going to find you creepy. You will be judged, even if you’re using your ship as a coping mechanism. No one is free from it.

Criticism, suggestions, and expression of discomfort are NOT BULLYING. If someone doesn’t like your ship, too bad. However, if you’re blatantly telling someone to kay why ess, hurt themselves, giving them some type of violent threat, or are doxxing them, you’re a disgusting person and no better than the people who commit said actions you’re against.

If you’re a proshipper and bullying kids, you’re also apart of the problem. Be the bigger person and block/report.

No, not all proshippers are creeps, some are just people who are anti-censorship, sick of PC culture and ship said ships out of spite, and/or don’t actually like anything bad themselves.

No, not all antis are annoying harassers, stalkers, or minors, some are people who are genuinely concerned about the questionable work you put out or may expose to minors/victims. Also, the lack of restrictions of minors in NSFW spaces is...sus -_-

Yes, there are predators in proship spaces, but there are also predators in antiship spaces, and literally everywhere else on the internet. This isn’t a ship problem, it’s a fandom problem.

Antis who claim that neutral people are just as bad as proshippers, actually push us away. You aren’t making us want to side with you. In fact, you’re doing the opposite. Most people who are neutral/position-less are actually people who really don’t care. Why? Because ships and fandoms don’t engulf our lives, and we actually have more important things to worry about than bullsh!t that strangers online are fighting about.

No, not saying anything or having a position on a topic is not inherently condoning it, it’s just not involving yourself in the problem. -_- It’s hard to really speak about something that’s not on your radar.

No, literally nobody in real life cares, or will care, about this debate. Most people (surprise, surprise) don’t really care about fandoms in general. (Amazing I know). Frankly, I’ve seen people on both sides that are waaaay to invested in this discourse and need to go outside. If you are super passionate about literal internet discourse, go to the park and touch grass.

Antis who are minors, I can genuinely tell you, that no, bosses in the real world really don’t care about what their employees do as hobbies outside of work. If you actually tried to contact employers about NSFW art (of fictional characters) that an employee drew on their own free time, unless you give them actual evidence of them acting inappropriately towards real people, they will ignore you. It is only a concern if that person has actually expressed illegal behavior which could put actual people in danger. (BDSM art of All Might and Deku isn’t going to get someone fired).

Antis, yeah, people will find problematic ships gross, if you tell someone about them. But, unless they are actively involved in internet fandom culture, which the vast majority of people aren’t, they’ll completely forget about it 5 mins later.

Proshippers, no, people in real life don’t care about what you ship in your private life, but if you make your whole identity about your ship, or proshipping, people will think you’re a creep. You’re chronically online. Get a hobby outside of internet discourse.

I will unfollow problematic people, and people who have caused harm, but if you tag me because I’m following a proshipper, simply because they are a proshipper, and have not actually been a perve to real children, I’m not unfollowing them. And if you pester me about it, I will unfollow, block, and report YOU. Who I follow is my business, and I will not tolerate being harassed over Twitter drama. Buzz off.

I will also not unfollow someone who identifies as an anti, or simply criticized your ship if you do not give me evidence of them actually harassing people. I am allowed to have an opinion and engage with people who have similar disapproving opinions. Who I choose to interact with is my business alone.

I’m not un-tweeting a tweet just because a self proclaimed “proshipper” or “anti” tweeted it. Good art is good art, and good takes are good takes.

Some of you overuse the word “p£do” in references to ships. I don’t care how you view it, a ship between an adult and a minor that has a 2-3 year age gap is not p€dop1llic. This age gap is completely common among teenagers in real life, and you’re honestly sheltered if you think that’s automatically predatory. A 16 year old dating an 18 year old is a LOT less worse than a 20 year old dating a 30 year old, and the latter isn’t any less predatory or weird just because they’re both adults.

No, ships between two adults with a very large age gap, are technically not p€doph1llic, either. They may be predatory in nature, and you may perceive them as wrong and gross, but if it ain’t already illegal in real life, then it definitely ain’t on paper.

It doesn’t matter if she’s 1000 years old, we all know what the underlying intention of that character design is, buddy.

Speaking of underlying intentions, there’s a lot of unspoken racism and xenophobia rampant in anti-spaces...like more so than in pro-ship spaces. Racism is everywhere in fandoms, but white, western antishippers are...a particular breed...oozing with arrogance and ethnocentrism.

Thanks for reading my rambling novel if you made it to the end, this is just a venting post. I hate discourse.

[badass-at-fandoming]

Fandom: Ikémen Revolution

Pairing: Seth Hyde x gn!Alice x Sirius Oswald

Tags: PWP, Semi-Public Sex, Outdoor Sex, Hot Tob Sex, Threesome - Double Penetration

Thank you to @voltage-vixen and @xxsycamore​ for organizing this event!

There was no chance to treat Seth for the rest of the night. After securing your prize from the artists market, Fenrir invited you to play board games with Kyle, Luka, Jonah, and a gaggle of Army medical staff, which lasted well into the wee hours.

The following morning you rose bright and early for a ropes course. Two horizontal cables were tied to adjoining palm trees and formed a V shape. Side-by-side with Edgar, you stood at the vertex and slowly, gripping tight one another's shoulders, walked down the cables. While only a foot off the ground, adrenaline raced out of you in waves of nervous laughter. The next adventure of the "team skis" was much less nail biting. Brittney, Amber, Dimple, and you lined up on a pair of skis. Nestled amongst their warmth, you coordinated movement by shifting your weight and manipulating handy dandy ropes attached to the skis. Your muscles screamed and heaved, but your team won the race against the boys. Worth it.

Lunch wasn't much of a break, as the schedule squeezed in t-shirt tie-dying before helping weed local community gardens. You smiled in tired pride at the new rainbow t-shirt in your closet before quickly hurrying to a late dinner, then to a constellation story time, and then accepted an invitation to relax in the hot tub. A huge group squished themselves into the rectangular space, and there was much happy chatting on the events of the day.

With the constant motion, compounded by the constant activity of the past few days, is it any wonder that it takes you long moments to realize that only you, Seth, and Sirius remain in the hot tub after midnight?

Relaxing his neck back, Seth releases a long, contented sigh beside you. He sits with his arms stretched like wings behind him, resting on the tub's sides. "Finally, the day is over."

Sirius releases a breath through his nose. "Yeah, it is."

No one speaks. The jets continue to blow bubbles against your tailbone, slowly seducing you into truly loosening up. Earlier, the pool lights had been turned off so you could better see the stars—they stun like magic crystals in the sky, little pinpricks of power and light. Crickets sing from the hibiscus bushes. The hot water and quiet darkness make the pool seem more viscous somehow, like the droplets are consciously refusing to evaporate and kiss you goodbye.

"Can I tell you two a secret?" Sirius says, breaking the quiet.

Given his background, Seth is very careful with secrets. He guards them well. You know this, because he holds yours. With solemn expression, Seth tilts his head and waits for Sirius to speak again.

What comes out is most unexpected. "I'm leaving the Army after this trip."

"Really?" you say, not bothering to hide your shock. "For good?"

"That's right," he says. "I'm going to go into the family business. We have a flower shop, Canis Major, in Black Territory—or what was Black Territory. We want to open a second location in Central Quarter, right near the Civic Center." Sirius' smile is fond and faraway. "I've been planning it for a long time."

"'A long time?'" Seth repeats, but with a question. His carnelian gaze is quiet, assessing.

Sirius sighs and rubs a hand through his hair. "When I was in school, Lance and I made a promise. He would become the Red King, achieve peace, and ride into Central Quarter to visit my flower shop. After all these years, he's kept his promise. I better keep my end."

"You take such good care of the gardens at headquarters. I didn't realize it was a family tradition," you say. Your statement is trite, but it gives you time to run calculations, to weigh pros and cons; to predict the shape of the Army's future without Sirius in it.

"Yeah, going back generations."

Seth swims over to Sirius. "I'm happy for you. Sincerely," he smiles, quick and fleeting. "As you know, I was thinking of moving away and living peacefully with Nodisha not too long ago. Our decision to stay in the Army was the right one, but it was a decision between two good choices, no?"

"Y-yeah," Sirius says, a telltale red painting his cheeks. His wide amethyst eyes are fixed on Seth's face.

Seth touches Sirius' blush with a wet finger. "Are you telling us this now for a reason? Is it because," You watch, mesmerized, as Seth's pink tongue swipes across his lips, "you want us to appreciate you while we have you?"

Sirius closes his eyes, like he can't bear Seth's unrelenting stare any longer. His Adam's apple bobs up and down. His deep voice is cracked and hoarse with "Yes."

You didn't realize your hands were balled into fists until Seth kisses Sirius, which unclenches the tension wonderfully. Your boyfriend's hair is dark and loose, spilling over his shoulders like blue ink as he cups Sirius' face, breathes into him; angles the connection just so. Sirius' long arms gather Seth close and guide him into straddling his lap. You ache in pleasant arousal—made all the more pleasant from the hot water and sore muscles of the day.

Sirius licks the seam of Seth's mouth, and Seth surrenders with a happy sound. You peel off your swimwear and set it on the stone edge. The lack of constriction lets your body breathe in a new way, and your hands feel freer to play and tease your chest.

Sirius breaks off the kiss and wraps his arms tight around Seth. As a good supplicant should, Sirius nuzzles between the valley of Seth's breasts and sets to work giving equal attention to his nipples. Seth places his hands on Sirius shoulders and arches his back in enjoyment. You hold yourself as tingles skitter across your body.

When Sirius' downward kisses reach waterline, Seth pulls his commanding officer into a hug. "Let's not leave Alice out, hm?" he says, planting kisses on the trail of Sirius' shoulder. "Let me show you how to please."

Sirius groans. "Gentle," you say, as you take Seth's hand. After the pair remove their swim trunks, their erections are so obvious it's a wonder you didn't notice them earlier. You suck in uneven breathes as Seth carefully lowers you onto Sirius' cock. Sirius' hands automatically grab your waist to steady you.

"Gentle and slow," Seth instructs. "Our Alice is sore from today. You really put us through too much! This trip's schedule is grueling even for a girl like me. ⭐️"

Wet, sweltering heat has you biting your lip to hold in a moan. Sirius' cock is fatter and shorter than Seth's. You breathe, and your walls adjust. The hot tub eases the process. When Sirius lifts you up and drops you down, you mewl in approval.

"Good work ~ 💚" Seth praises, but there's an undercurrent of trouble in his tone. "Alice, I wonder if you can outlast Sirius and me? Can you be a good egg and not cum until after we finish? Even if we bounce you a lot? If you do, we'll have a reward for you tomorrow. 💚💚💚"

"We will?" Sirius gasps. He fidgets like a mare in heat, trembling and begging to be ridden by someone, anyone. His thick thighs shake under you, thrilling.

Seth smiles, wide and low. "I'll take care of it. Don't worry. Now: thrust."

Sirius bucks, and you squeal. Three hard and fast stings have you death gripping Sirius' broad shoulders. Instinct rips away your sense, and you slam down. Stunned, Sirius yields control. You set a slower pace, roll forward, and snap back, sparking delicious emotion. Waves undulate around you, slapping against the concrete hot tub's walls. Sirius kisses you like he kissed Seth, like he wants to savor and devour all at once.

Passion blinds you everything until you feel a familiar nudge against your ass. "Do you have room for me?" Seth asks, all sweetness.

"Yes, Seth, oh God, yes." You can't get the words out fast enough.

With a grunt, you're filled twice over. Neither can go to the hilt, but the heads disappear inside you easy. Weightless in water, you relax and take in the gentle tug and release of them in you together.

"Oh my god," Sirius says, words bursting out of him like a blow. His chest heaves up and down. "I've never—"

"Feels good, right?" Seth says. "Three's company."

"I'm going to—"

That's all the warning you receive before the orgasm punches out of Sirius. He groans loud into the night, and slick leaks out of you into the water. Seth seizes the opportunity to pull you deeper into the hot tub and bounce you steady and slow. Arousal dilates and dazzles, and you're scrambling to keep hold, to contain a volcano's worth of emotion damned.

Sirius's fingers caress your sex. You shriek.

The men are relentless, as inexorable as they are exactly what you need. Seth nuzzles into the meat of your neck, and you're sure you'll lose his challenge until you feel his seed surge inside you. Your relief is so palatable you cum immediately after, a rush of victorious euphoria.

All three of you suck in heavy breaths. After all your noise, the cricket symphony sounds far away.

Sirius frames your face with his big hands and kisses you once, twice. He kisses Seth once, twice. As if he doesn't want to say goodbye.

[krisiverse]

Hey same anon here. So... no offence but do you think people who ship something slightly controversial are going to just not interact with the rest of the fandom at all? I'm sure you're set in believing it's a bad ship but I really don't think everyone who ships it is a Bad Person on principle. Like them putting shipping in a separate blog with a similar url to their main is probably not them being secretive to get around dni's. Because this just in, anyone can get around dni's by ignoring them...

Shippers of controversial ships keep things separate from their main account usually to avoid subjecting people who don't want to see something to that thing, and to avoid getting hate/being called out, which is what you're doing....

Also, I don't think everyone who ships one lesbian cousin inc*st ship is inherently a proshipper... Most fans of the ship are just regular splatoon fans who contribute a lot to the fandom. I would know, a lot of people in the notes on your post have supported posts from an explicitly aohota blog

Also respectfully, I guess you want to warn people of someone shipping it but I think people can make that judgement call on their own... Filling the tag which is already separate from the main fandom tags with hate and putting individuals on blast seems more harmful than shipping fictional characters imo

hi im going to address these points one by one and out of order, im tired today

actually, you make a good point with it being put in the ship tags, i'll fix that. regardless of everything else i know how much it sucks to go into a tag for something you like and be met with hate for it

second um... incest shippers ARE proship by definition, because it means pro- ships that involve incest or pedophilia or both. there are probably other things that fall under that definition but those are the two big ones, so im sorry to say that is literally what it means

the point of a dni is that you enforce it by blocking people. there's actually been a history of people making blogs like that for the purpose of evading blocks- the main example i can think of is terfs making innocent-seeming main blogs with the express purpose of infiltrating trans-positive communities who would otherwise block them on sight. the fact that people in the notes have interacted with callie/marie shippers is exactly what i was trying to alleviate with that post, because the tags are obscure enough that a lot of people may not know what it means & interact unknowingly.

do i think everyone who ships problematic content is a "bad person"...? no, not really. they're often perfectly nice and kind and all that. but do i think they should keep to themselves and stay out of the larger splatoon community, besides others who are pro- or neutral to these kinds of ships? well... that WOULD be pretty unreasonable to ask, wouldn't it? but the thing is... someone being proship puts all those interactions into a different light. i shouldn't have to worry, if i make a post about callie and marie, that someone is going to interpret it sexually. i shouldn't have to worry if i make a post about one of them individually that someone is going to take it and apply it to their romantic/sexual dynamic of the two. it's something that makes me extremely uncomfortable, and it's a boundary i can only enforce by blocking (since as you said people can simply ignore dnis.)

which brings me to my last point... y'all have your space, which I unthinkingly put hate in and for that i'm genuinely sorry, but we have our own boundaries which we can ONLY enforce via dnis and/or blocking. the only thing we can really do to keep our space our own is to block, both the tags and the people that post in them, and that's all i told people to do; obviously i can't actively force anyone to block people, that's just my suggestion to keep them from unknowingly interacting bc other posts from people will show up even if they have the tag filtered.

i called out that particular person in the tags because they stood out to me, with the experience i'd had with the two blogs; also because i couldn't really name other active members of the community, seeing as i have nearly everyone there blocked already. my intention is to spread awareness, not to incite harassment, and if they're getting harassed (or if you'd like to avoid that possibility) i can delete those tags, likely instead putting them as part of a larger blocklist rather than focusing on one person. but again, that one person stood out to me and i wanted to prevent others from having the same experience.

i think that's all for rn, thank you for the ask and your understanding. feel free to send more asks, or if the person in question would like to talk to me directly, i would be willing to unblock them to have a discussion if they so choose