#theassholeantiarchive

[brightlotusmoon]

wanna know the worst part about the recent bomb terrorist anti? i looked more into that. their name was zer0 iirc (can't remember their pronouns atm) and they literally lied about being a minor. all so they could claim it was predatory for adults who were upset with them for threatening atsu to report them for their behavior. then their spouse defended them...who was noticeably much much older than zer0 was claiming to be. and after more people began questioning the spouse because of the potential underlying actual pedophilia situation people thought was going on there at first. it turned out that zer0 started claiming they were 15 and then 16 within the same span of the month this discourse took place. after originally claiming to be 14. (cuz for some reason they thought saying they were 15 and 16 made their spouse in their thirties dating them look better??) and then it turned out finally that zer0 was also thirty and had three kids irl. and as far as i can tell they have not addressed the weird age faking they did nor apologized for it. and they also won't apologize for the bomb threat. i think theassholeantiarchive-2 is where i found out about some of that. it was fucking wild to read and makes me wonder now how many other antis that claim to be minors are lying. and only lying about that so they can keep claiming its child abuse for adults online to block/report them for harassing others. it's mind boggling to me the kinda behavior that antis will tell people is okay to do so they can avoid responsibility when they go too far. idk if you knew this or not but i thought you might be interested to have this extra context about the situation with the anti threatening to bomb a proshipper.

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WHAT THE FUCK.

I need to lie down.

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I've been writing since the 1990s. Do you know what happened when we started putting fanfiction online? We were so busy hiding from Anne Rice and George RR Martin that there was barely much time for infighting especially bullying. Then again, Geocities webrings and LiveJournal fic communities were highly monitored and curated. And, okay, the internet was a baby. So, uh, I guess I have no reference? I didn't get on the internet until I was nearly 18. In the late 90s. A very different temporal critter.

This is. This is. I don't. Are we living in a horror anthology? Oh fuck, this is the Twilight Zone. But worse. Worse than Black Mirror.

This is fucking terrifying.

[criticallyalexandrite]

wait I'm kind of confused by that post about "if you use the word squick you're a freak" thing. I almost always see it used to mean something that's not a trigger but is off limits for reading/writing. Like, certain things are triggers for my OCD and trauma but certain forms of gore is just something that makes me uncomfortable. So I would call that a squick. is there another explanation I'm not aware of? (sincerely asking because I obviously don't want to use it if it's bad)

(Tw: CSA trauma, child abuse, abuse and personal abuse story)I don’t think anarchist-queer was trying to bash people who personally choose to use the term and find it helpful. I personally don’t hate the the term inherently either despite my ranty addition to that thread. I don’t know if I can fully speak for OP there. But what I was trying to get across in my post was my personal issue with the origin of the term and the way some popular anti antis are using it. A lot of popular anti antis are literally trying to haze people with fiction based triggers into using that term INSTEAD of trigger.Which is you know very ableist. I wouldn’t have an issue with the term otherwise if the attitude of the anti antis who coined the term was like “You can use it if you want but if you don’t that’s ok too.” In one of the most popular threads I saw on the manner the tone OP was using sounded very dismissive of fiction based triggers. Like they thought the very idea of fiction based triggers was “too discoursey” and that’s why we should just bring back the term squick instead. It was prioritizing “less discourse” over the mental health of antis. I haven’t checked the OP of that particular thread but I wouldn’t be shocked if they thought that antis are lying about being triggered by fictional scenarios (many anti antis legit believe this.)I know this is the case for many anti antis who platform the promotion of the term. Not just from my experience of being called out by theassholeantiarchive for daring to be raped by a NOMAP. (Seriously, theassholeantiarchive initially called me out over that. The mod who did immediately assumed i was lying.) But also due to my experience with the NOMAP in question, best0utthere. He’s a long time advocate for the anti anti community. He even talked a lot about directly experiencing the Anne Rice discourse himself which suggests he’s pretty old. Anyways, how that’s connected to my discomfort with how and why the term squick was coined is this. It’s because the anti antis who made it initially wanted to shut down antis who said they’re triggered by fictional characters/stories/scenarios. Didn’t matter the full context or even if the trauma related to the trigger was real. Anti antis like Best believe that people who claim to be triggered by anything fictional are just using  triggers to “trollbait” people into not embracing their full creativity.He legit believes that and due to how much social influence he’s had on the anti anti community, I wouldn’t be surprised if he was one of the people who helped coin the term. Or was at least around when the term was originally made. (Btw I don’t suggest actually asking him yourself, cuz he’s a dangerous person who doesn’t respect  nsfw boundaries.) I even have a retraumatization experience surrounding him insisting that was why I’m traumatized by pedo ships/pedophilia AU’s (Pedo AU’s are basically…taking a character who isn’t a pedo and making them into one.)Even though he’s literally the reason that I have that trigger in the first place.But he didn’t know that at the time he demonized my trigger. Still regardless, that was triggering for me in itself. This happened between us in a Wander Over Yonder discord server. One that was run by slogbait on tumblr. It’s not up anymore because me leaving the server over Best doing that apparently killed the server or something. (Not that I’m remorseful of that lol.) But yeah that experience of mine is I can’t help but side eye people who are so against using the term trigger to refer to fictional characters/stories/scenarios that trigger someone.It’s one thing if you (and by you I mean generally referring to anyone who prefers the term squick) prefer the term squick  for whatever reason. I can definitely see how it can be a legit helpful term to people. If it helps you, more power to you. This is definitely a situation where you can separate the idea from the creator. So I’m not gonna bash on people who use it. But I will absolutely be suspicious if someone intends to pressure others to use it when talking about fictional scenarios and ideas that cause them panic attacks or flashbacks or any other form of debilitating breakdowns. Because that IS different from just choosing to use the term squick for yourself. That’s both invalidating necessary language people need to use to explain how something is a trauma reminder and also demonizing people who don’t want to say squick in place of trigger. I think whichever word someone chooses to use to describe that, squick or trigger, should be up to the person. Some bitter and way too paranoid anti anti blogger shouldn't’ be allowed to haze and guilt trip people into choosing them for them.Does that make sense?Also to clarify in case my tone comes across that way…I’m not mad at you Connie. My tone just might sound kinda intense right now because this is a topic matter I take really seriously. And I’m also trying to put all the effort I can into using the right wording and tone. Sometimes that can result in me using a more intense tone with my posts than I intended to.

[mandaloriangf]

Reylo here. We’ve called this fic out. One of my friends was friends with the author and even spoke to them privately about how bad it was. She was going to delete it but changed her mind. You keep acting like no reylo ever says anything about bad stuff when we do all the time. We’re not like antis who pretend everyone is perfect. Unfortunately the story isn’t going anywhere so you need to focus on other stuff like the rest of us. I’d be glad to give you reylo fic refs where Finn is treated well

i have two hands. i can talk about this fic and the fact that there are still dozens upon dozens of reylos reading and praising it while also talking about other things, like the reylo yesterday who went after a 14 year old anti. i believe you that there are reylos who call stuff out, but there are also TONS of reylos who don’t. i mean, theassholeantiarchive made a post about it but refused to call out the racism and instead labeled me as a harasser when i haven’t even interacted with the author. 

and i dont want fic recs lol i fucking hate reylo no matter what. 

[dchan87]

I don’t want to make more of a problem out of this, but gamesgeary isn’t telling you the whole story.

I wanted to keep the conversation private because I didn’t want to cause a whole lot more trouble than had already happened. I admit that my post was poorly worded. And I changed the post. That doesn’t change the fact that geary came to me, and even after I informed them that the post was properly tagged, felt the need to rudely lecture to me about tagging. Even though, as you yourselves pointed out, I’d correctly tagged.

I genuinely apologized, but geary rejected my apology, and decided to keep the conversation going. Even after I tried to clear things up, they doubled down on their rhetoric until I told them that I would have to block them if they continued this nonsense. And those pedophilia posts? I deleted them because I realized a while ago that I’m a hypocrite regarding sh/eith and the age gap, because I ship a het ship with a larger age gap. And since they blocked me anyway, it doesn’t matter. 

And as @the-nerdy-obsessions and you yourselves pointed out, geary’s reaction to my original post was totally unnecessary.

I’d rather let this nonsense die, but I’m not going to sit by.

https://gamesgeary-18.tumblr.com/post/174116406460/dchan87-real-talk-yeah-shiros-important-to/

Can’t seem to reblog your post (tumblr fucking up again?), but here’s what We had to say about it:

Well that’s unpleasant. @shalliekeith​ (or someone else, We forget) already gave Us a heads-up about dchan being an anti a while back.Don’t flood the ship tags with hate & remember to tag properly (use slashes or dashes, not spaces).

[antis-delete-your-blogs-pls-thx]

Damn, pour one out for theassholeantiarchive. They're going through us like Pringles these days.

[voltronuniversaldefender]

If you want proof of antis acting like toxic members in the community I would follow or check out the post from tumblr users theassholeantiarchive there are several others like antisDeleteyourblog but the first one has the most collection of antis acting racist, homophobic and harmful to minors, there is screenshots, links to proof of the conversation as well as toxic antis attacking the blog themselves while being toxic

Dude I know there ARE antis that do that shit, assholes are prevalent through everything but I'm not gonna look through shit or stop calling myself an anti because of it.If calling myself an anti keeps undesired ppl away good riddance honestly.

[theassholeantiarchive2-0]

Ollie reciepts.

https://huntypastellance.tumblr.com/post/171809739545/block-report-program-theassholeantiarchive

[shipping-isnt-morality]

what are other anti-anti blogs you read/recommend?

I click around a lot! A lot of people I find by looking through notes on interesting posts and seeing who had something good to say.

Blogs I really like that focus mostly on discourse:

@freedom-of-fanfic - obvious, a big inspiration for this blog. lots of sourced posts and more meta theory

@fiction-is-not-reality - I don’t agree with them on everything, but I respect them a lot and they back everything up with solid arguments. also sources a lot

@just-antithings - they’re funny and salty without bullying

@fangirlunderground - a general fandom blog, but occasionally adds really great points from experience or on fandom history. also good if you don’t want All Discourse All The Time

General discourse blogs that I follow and have, I think, good points and a good attitude:@who-gives-a-ship@shipwhateveryouwant@antis-delete-your-blogs-pls@the-salt@discoursecatharsis@theassholeantiarchive (yes, I know the recent drama, yes, I still follow them)@anti-anti-survivor @shippy-mcdiscourse@shippingisnotactivism@history-student-against-antis

(Feel free to reblog, but I’d prefer that people not add other recs directly onto this post!If I didn’t mention you I’m sorry!! This was compiled by my following list + some recent reblogs and isn’t exhaustive)

[marril96]

I left the anti-anti community since it degenerated into a den of contrarian assholes who think being a pedo is ok, compare being lgbt to being a pedo and support actual irl pedophiles being alone with children. Dont get me wrong i am still pro shiper and anti-censorship. But condoning irl pedophilia/MAPs is not the way to go.

I feel you. I unfollowed some anti anti blogs because of that and now I’m careful about who I follow in the community.

May I suggest @theassholeantiarchive? They are an amazing anti anti blog and they don’t get into MAP discourse at all.

[huntypastellance]

Um, I don't know if you've interacted with them at all, but do you know what happened to princesscupcake-love? I know they changed their username a couple times but they seem to be gone now...

So I just googled their username & it looks like they got harassed by antis into deactivating.

https://androgynousblackbox.tumblr.com/post/171890397189/

https://multi-fandomrpingblog.tumblr.com/post/172671768942/

https://loudrimmer69.tumblr.com/post/172331501159/

Warning for death threats & typical anti rhetoric. I hope they’re okay. Judging from their art & the way they type, they seem pretty young. Being called a pedo & being sent death threats……poor kid.

@theassholeantiarchive @block-report-program

[androgynousblackbox]

Anon's right though. I don't trust incest shippers because they're dangers to their siblings. No fault to you though

I am sorry, who are you again? Why should I care what you think about my life? I missed that memo where it said I had to give a single fuck or I whipped my ass with it, one of the two.I don’t trust people who don’t have the balls to come out of anon either to say bullshit they clearly want to say, but you don’t see me announcing that to everyone because I assume people don’t care. You should probably do the same.@theassholeantiarchive

[discoursecatharsis]

Not trying to burst anyone's bubble but Islamophobia is a real thing in vld fandom. It's not often seen because a lot of Muslims don't dare to say it out loud since they're worried they might get attacked. Then again, there are people that support Hitler in vld fandom and want sheith shippers to be 'gassed' and put in Auschwitz. So yeah Islamophobia is nothing new in vld fandom.

I’m honestly shocked, I didn’t think people in this fandom could get any worse or would stoop to that level. Especially since they go on and on about being progressive and wanting diversity in their show. Yikes. 

Seriously next time someone says something Islamophobic, don’t be afraid to put them on blast, drag them through the mud. Tag @theassholeantiarchive (even if the person saying it isn’t an anti) or send them an anonymous submission