#the war of the rohirrim spoilers

[detectiveperspectives]

RIP Hera’s twink brother. Gone but never forgotten

[papita474]

Just saw rohirrim,it was a very good movie,love it!! But... WHY THE HELL YOU PEOPLE LIKE WULF I HATE HIM,WANNA SMASH HIM TO THE GROUND,HES THE WORST

That motherfucker killed my boy Hama,he didnt deserve it,also haleth,he was such a great character.

My honest reaction:

THE REAL MAN THERE WAS FREALAF,hes hot as hell and hes nice,suck it wulf

[autistook]

Rohirrim spoilers cuz

I KNEW IT WAS DOM I KNEW IT I KNEW IT AND BILLY AND ---- I KNEW IT WAS GONNA BE THEM SINCE DAY ONE

"mount doom" with a scottish accent and orc voice was funny

[elvengifts]

if you ever live in rohan, be sure to banish your sexy nephew so he can save the day when you need it most

[lady-of-the-spirit]

Forget about Wulf let's appreciate how hot Hera and her family is. Eldest brother Haleth? Brash and bold warrior? Hot. Middle brother Hama? Gentle hearted poet? Hot. Cousin Frealaf? Calm, loyal and just warrior soon to be king? Hot. Hera herself? Wild rebellious princess who deeply cares for and protects her people? Hot!! No losers in the royal line of Rohan!!!

[kanawolf]

Frealaf my beloved

[magic-owl]

Me, watching War of the Rohirrim: hey that one scene with the orcs was kinda funny! There was good scene chemistry there!

Me, watching the credits: Aha…

[jay-wasstuff]

Spoilers for War of The Rohirrim below:

No one sang songs or told stories about Hera.

Her brothers were the one who died in war, her father died frozen standing alone against Wulf's men, her cousin Frealaf would then rescue everyone and ascend the throne.

The people saw Frealaf as the one who 'saved' them, the one who brought an army and defeated Wulf's army.

That then would lead to Frealaf being the one to take the throne and wear the crown of Rohan - the one who the people would now see and would be led by until his death.

Hera would then leave alongside Olwyn for Gandalf's invitation, with the instrument that helped created the songs with the only two people who knew what actually happened on the field meant Hera would leave the history books and people's stories.

Frealaf wouldn't sing of Hera because he doesn't know what happened, Rohan's people were too busy rebuilding a kingdom, the entire royal bloodline almost dead, Wulf was killed, Olwyn left with Hera...

No one sang songs or told stories about Hera.

[kaban-bang]

Lord of the Rings age gap yuri was NOT on my bingo card.

[lesbiansforboromir]

Alright, I was holding off for journalistic integrity but now that I've seen the WotR film I can make posts about it without restraint.

Jesus christ the racial politics of this film are atrocious. Some character might as well just tell Wulf 'not to play the race card'. Wulf is a liberal snowflake who blames racism for all his troubles and can't pull himself up by his bootstraps and he is also brown-skinned and obsessively pursues our PORCLAIN white dainty-drawn female protagonist with both romantic and murderous intent. Oppression of dunlendings by the Rohirrim exists only in Wulf's head apparently, though it can be tasted in every spat 'dunlending' perjorative that comes from Helm or Haleth's mouth. But Hera has absolutely no racism within her of course! She refuses Wulf because she doesnt want to marry anyone and Wulf just assumes it's because his dunlending blood disgusts her, so entitled of him!

But also maybe the racism is '''justified'''? If it exists? Which it doesn't! But IF it did, don't worry because ONCE AGAIN all the dunlendings are just greedy, clutching, unwashed, skull wearing, violent barbarians with no unique culture to speak of and no reasons to be making war on Rohan except to sieze what isn't theirs (ignoring the fact that it totally was theirs until Rohan seized it from them and OH BOY are we ignorin' that) And the only dunlending we see not frothing at the mouth for violence or showing any introspective depth at all is General Targg who is the mouthpiece with which we get to hear 'the girl (Hera) is right' whereupon he is promptly killed by Wulf.

Oh but of course, what else could Helm have done? Freca was some greedy FAT man (boy does everyone love calling him fat, happy to lean into THAT aspect of canon) whose lands were too prosperous for his own good (hang on isn't keeping your lands prosperous the platonic ideal of lordship?) And he called a 'Witan' (no he didn't, he came to one of the regular councils of lords that Helm called himself) just to make a scene about how Helm was going to marry Hera to a lord of gondor which is bad because Gondor has some nebulous hold over Rohan so Hera should marry Wulf instead (literally none of that, Freca simply asked Helm to wed his daughter to Wulf, his son, a completely normal and legitimate political strategy to secure a better relationship with the King's family since Helm already mistrusted him for having dunlending blood. Freca is a lord of Rohan, he is rich, he traces his ancestry back to King Freawine, this could not be a more reasonable suggestion in canon.)

SO OBVIOUSLY Helm had to get angry and call Freca fat again (true he did do that) and THEN claim that Freca only wanted his throne (there was never any suggestion of this in the books, it was just the offer of marriage which insulted Helm) to which Freca answered "Old kings that refuse a proffered staff may fall on their knees," and Helm is like okay lets take this outside.

And now THIS change is actually so important in understanding the extreme nature of the Rohir/Helm favouritism that is the main focus of this film. In the film Helm pretty much immediately takes Freca outside, he reassures Frealaf that Freca just needs to be shown his place, this is the only way to settle the matter, if he doesn't embarass him here then Freca will try to take his crown and slay his family apparently, his hunch ig etc etc. Freca punches Helm three times in full view of the whole of Edoras including Freca's two men who came with him, then Helm punches him back and he is knocked out cold and dead by the time he hits the ground. Film!Helm does not realise he has done this and tells Freca to get up, Wulf realises his father is dead and threatens Helm with revenge, swords are draw against him which he tries to calm before Wulf attacks him. Helm incapacitates Wulf, his sons draw THEIR swords and Helm exiles Wulf for drawing his sword on his king. Messy right? Like not a good thing to do, generally brawling with your lords is a bad idea full stop, but if you fear for the lives of your children then idk maybe it's excusable? And then it's just an unfortunate series of events right? And Freca was rude and insulting to a king in his own halls, heat of the moment etc etc

I feel so comfortable in telling you that Helm murders Freca in cold blood in the books, fully intending that to be the outcome.

He does not take him outside initially, Book!Helm tells Freca that this marriage dispute isn't important and they will deal with it later. And then;

When the council was over, Helm stood up and laid his great hand on Freca’s shoulder, saying: "The king does not permit brawls in his house, but men are freer outside"; and he forced Freca to walk before him out from Edoras into the field. To Freca’s men that came up he said: "Be off ! We need no hearers. We are going to speak of a private matter alone. Go and talk to my men!" And they looked and saw that the king’s men and his friends far outnumbered them, and they drew back. "Now, Dunlending," said the king, "you have only Helm to deal with, alone and unarmed. But you have said much already, and it is my turn to speak. Freca, your folly has grown with your belly. You talk of a staff! If Helm dislikes a crooked staff that is thrust on him, he breaks it. So!" With that he smote Freca such a blow with his fist that he fell back stunned, and died soon after. Helm then proclaimed Freca’s son and near kin the king’s enemies; and they fled, for at once Helm sent many men riding to the west marches.

(Appendices, 'The House of Eorl', emphasis mine)

I think we can all agree that forcing someone out of your city, isolating them away from their fellows with threats of violence, telling them you will break them, killing them in one blow and then proclaiming their kin your enemies and forcing them to flee to escape a murderous pursuit, is pretty clearly premeditated murder. There is not much nuance here, Freca tresspassed over a line with Helm that Dunlendings are not allowed to cross and Helm killed him for it.

And listen like, the description of this whole story within the appendices is barely more than three pages. This is not an obscure missable aspect of the tale, nor is it outside of what rights they had to adapt. The choice was made, actively, ONCE AGAIN by the Warner Bros cinematic universe makers, to drastically alter book events in order to sand down any immorality within Rohan's narrative, especially where the Dunlendings are concerned. And in the end the only 'mistake' Helm is allowed to learn and grow from is some nebulous and trite 'not believing enough in his daughter' schpiel, which needs to be the subject of a whole 'nother post actually.

And what's agonising is they COULD have done it like they were so close, there are multiple moments where me and my friend watching were like struck!! With grief! Over how impactful this moment could have been if only the racism actually existed as an acknowledged theme in the story. If only it was something Hera had to come to terms with, if only IT was the true driver of these horrors to the point where it's Avatar, Hera's father, a man who loves her and whom she has loved all her life, turns into a cold icey ghost of brutality, far more vicious and barbaric than the people he so reviles, and reveals to her the terrible truth of his actions and motivations. It's agony I tell you.

Anyway I did not like the film.

[detectiveperspectives]

watched the war of the rohirrim in the theater and somebody was clapping when they said Gandalf’s name like it was a marvel movie

[a-caramel-addict]

I have watched War of the Rohirrim. I have slept on it. It's time to make my unpopular opinion everyone's problem!

Repeat after me:

Wulf didn't deserve to die like that.

Don't get me wrong. I hate him from the bottom of my heart. But he didn't deserve to die the way he did.

He forced Hera to kill him like he tried to force her to marry him.

He got what he wanted ultimately. He was obsessed with Hera. He couldn't be loved by her, he couldn't be satisfied with being her friend. He decided that negative attention was better than being her friend. He chose to be her enemy. He chose to try to kill her whole family. (Not for revenge for his father, no, for attention, for Hera's attention)

Because if he had reached out she would have been his friend, she tried to look for him. But he didn't reach out. He didn't want to be her friend, he wanted to be more. To be one of her most-s. Most hated, most loved, where's the difference.

And this is why I hate him. He didn't deserve to be killed by her. He didn't respect her choice not to marry, he didn't respect her choice to not kill somebody she had called a friend as a child. Even when it was in his interest to respect it. He deserved to be killed by random rider, he deserved to be captured and judged for his crime against the people of Rohan, crimes among which his attempts to get Hera to marry him is unimportant note. So repeat after me:

Wulf didn't deserve to die the way he did.

[autistook]

Billy Boyd and Dominic Monaghan as Shank and Wrot: The War of the Rohirrim, 2024

[lady-of-the-spirit]

Just saw War of the Rohirrim yesterday and already seeing bad takes

NO HERA SHOULD NOT HAVE MARRIED WULF. She didn't want to marry anyone in the first place and hearing him say he wanted to kill her whole family didn't do him any favours!!!

[reylo]

Why you should watch War of The Rohirrim - SPOILERS!

Fellow reylo, haladriel, nashuri, darklina, etl and villain x heroine shippers, everyone is sleeping on the new etl ship that dropped 😭

If you're looking for a new ship to add to you armada, here's why you should watch Lord of the Rings: War of The Rohirrim! Spoilers ahead!

Childhood friends turned enemies

They are proper enemies, not rivals. 100% enemies! They fight. They go to war with one another! Her Father kills his and in turn he slays her brothers and ensures her fathers death. He tries to make the fortress she and her people are hiding in 'her tomb'.

"I can't show weakness. Not to her."

He proposes to her TWICE!

"Would it be so bad? [Marrying him] We were inseparable once."

"From the moment I first saw you, I knew you would be my doom."

They each have a scar that the other gave to them! Héra scars his face accidentally as a child. Wulf scars her ae on purpose as an adult, right after the line 'was I so easily forgotten' because HE DIDN'T WANT HER TO EVER FORGET HIM! Just as he's tormented by her memory every time he sees the scar on his face, she'll suffer the same.

"Did I disgust you so much? Was I so easily forgotten?" - Wulf

"I never forgot you. I tried to find you." - Héra

For their final battle, Héra wears a wedding dress to psychological mess with him. He wanted a bride, so she gave him a bride who comes promising death. When Wulf's General tells him 'that is bait, that is literally Wulf with neon flashing signs. Do not take the bait!!' Wulf takes the bait. Héra knows how to goad him.

The villain is in love and definitely obsessed with the heroine

Definitely a darker etl ship. Wulf ain't no Mr Darcy, that's for sure

Héra admits to caring for him and struggles to kill him.

Despite this care, she dosen't want to marry him (or anyone) as she firmly believes they should have a choice in such matters + the movie points out the draw backs of marriage for her (need to leave her home and her family, children taught traditions not her own) + she craves freedom and ends up becoming a sheildmaiden.

She does agree to marry him the second time to save her people, but after she said 'if I marry you', Wulf takes offence. He really wanted her to want to marry him.

As children they bonded over not having a mother in their lives. Found that out in an interview.

Sadly, this does end in tragedy as Héra is forced to kill Wulf. HOWEVER! That is why we have fanfic!! That being said I do have a theory that Wulf wanted Héra to kill him and pretty much reenacted their childhood fight from the day she scarred him, forcing her to kill by giving her no other choice.

In conclusion... please watch this. It's really good. The movie was awesome. And I do think you'll enjoy the wuléra (Wulf x Héra) dynamic.

[morianar]

Rip Hama and Haleth you were too cunty to let live apparently 😔🤘