#the only thing i fictionally condone is murder because i use it to cope with anger

[allthingswhumpyandangsty]

"guys I do not condone any of this in real life" "this is fiction" "consent is key. this is only fiction" "murder is bad irl" — I wish fanfic authors didn't feel like they had to clarify this in author's notes or else they might be accused of being abusers or worse (I admit that such disclaimers are also something I personally use for my own stuff because I feel like I had to make it clear). like... people used to not care if an author wrote dead dove fics because people used to understand that ao3 fics are not a reflection of someone's in real life views or morality in any way. people used to understand that fanfics mean what they mean; fan fiction. none of it is real. maybe it's purity culture that normalizes witch hunt and censorship in the past couple years, and therefore authors feel like they have to clarify that just because they write about violence or noncon stuff doesn't mean they're murderers or sex offenders in real life. and I think it sucks that these things (purity and cancel culture?) have made authors feel like they have to apologize for the art they created instead of being proud of their hard work and all the dedication they put into creating these art. artists should not have to feel like they have to apologize for creating art that isn't all rainbow and sunshine. artists should not have to be made to feel ashamed of their own art if it's not all rainbow and sunshine.

I don’t agree with the “you can write noncon and dark fics as long as you make sure your readers get the message that these things are bad” or “you can write noncon and dark fics if it’s your way of coping with your trauma” take either. because writers do not owe you anything. the message writers want to send to their readers — whatever that message may be, if there’s any message or moral of the story for readers to take from the stories at all — is none of your business. why writers write what they write is none of your business. remember “don’t like don’t read”. no one forces you to read anything you don’t like. dark and noncon fics are a form of creative writing and creative writing is a form of art. you can’t pressure artists into creating art that “fit your moral compass” nor can you apply your own moral compass to artists to determine if they can create dark art or not, if their reasoning behind creating dark art passes your moral compass. like… what artists create and why artists create are none of your business. and you don’t get to shame artists for creating art that you hate / art that disgusts you. what you can do is ignore the art because it clearly was not made for you and that’s okay. what isn’t okay is you harassing artists because you don’t like the things they created.

writers, embrace and be proud of your works. as long as all the trigger warnings are tagged properly, you have nothing to apologize for.

[tsbs-ship-hate-confessions]

Honest to God there is nothing more hypocritical of a bunch of whiny proshippers complaining about hate

yet preach free speech as long as they get to jerk off to kids getting fucked by their parents.

The hypocrisy is appalling.

'oh oh proshipping doesn't mean that stuff anymore, we're Clearly anti censorship oh oh the horrors of being called a creep for making celestialcest smut and giggling about siblings diddling each other. but we totally don't glorify dark topics why would you say such a thing'

like pick a fucking struggle. deal with the consequences of your actions. None of this is okay.

And mind you, this is coming from someone who is a major proponent of dark fiction. people should get to write whatever fucked up shit they want to. coping, venting, idc the reason

but you cannot honest to God be stupid enough to assume you're not a walking red flag. No one owes you trust that you're 'doing it for the right reasons' or 'don't support the morally stripped content' just like how you don't have to owe anyone an explanation. That street goes both ways

It's even stupider, when these fucks are all like 'u should clearly know I don't condone this'. I'm sorry, are we all a hivemind now? Are we above communication? It literally cost nothing to add a note of 'hey btw I think this shit isn't okay in case you can't read the room'. if ppl decide to assume bad faith after that then that's on them. but being a fucking mule about it? really? thought we were supposed to be adults here

speaking of which

"Children shouldn't be reading this anyway, My audience is smarter than that" ok thanks for infatizing and being ablest. nothing says fun like attempting to grow and try new things regardless of learning disabilities. or do you think we all roll over and die before highschool?

Also are we gonna brush past the part where the sun and moon show is literally made with kids in mind? Why again are we so desperate for smut over a show literally built around found family? 'everyone here is so immature' yeah bud, it takes one to know one. we were all kids. all of us were the newbies of the internet at one point. I ain't saying ya gotta hold anyone's hand or babysit but is throwing a hissy fit over finding spiders in a jar labeled spider the hill you really wanna die on? if you don't like it, leave

you literally preach that same shit yet seldomly follow your own advice.

Actually, let's go a step further: you're not welcomed here anymore than the gore anons are

P.S.

The reason why murder and gore is more acceptable than pedophilia smut is because one of these attracts actual predators. Porn is still porn at the end of the day, whether it's video or a picture, or words. and if it's on a screen it will fuck your head up the same way you can't have just one cigaret. it's always 'one more can't hurt' until it's an addiction you cannot escape from. And once someone is in that cycle, it gets worse. because soon the same thing that got rocks off doesn't work anymore. so then you find something stronger to get that high. then you have to find another stronger way to get that same effect

And that is exactly how convicted pedophiles go from using fictional kiddy porn to actual csem. There is actual fucking evidence for this shit with neurobiology and psychology to back it up

TL;DR violent video games don't create serial killers because people can only have a dopamine addiction. video game addiction is like sugar addiction Porn however can most definitely create pedophiles and rapist because of the involvement of dopamine, oxytocin, norepinephrine, vasopressin. porn addiction is like meth or heroin

These 2 are Not remotely comparable to the other 2

ALL, actions have consequences. It does not matter if you are a celebrity, or a fic author with 3 views. You are not an exception, and you feed the machine that gets kids groomed, trafficked, and even killed when you choose to sexualize and normalize pedophilia and incest.

So if you're getting shamed for getting giddy over shipping shit like Killcode and Bloodmoon or Sun and Dazzle. maybe you should think long and hard about why that is.

This is so much bigger than fighting over 'making dolls kiss'.

Get the fuck out of a fandom filled with kids before you get someone hurt

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[catgirl-catboy]

"I dont support it in real life!"

Then why write about it? If for coping purposes, why post it online for others (especially actual predators) to see and consume? Then why portray those things in a positive light instead of condemning them?And you're seriously going to tell me that just because as an adult you want to see a fictional minor (that mind you, is usually designed to resemble an actual child) depicted in sexual situations doesn't mean you don't share that same view concerning children in real life? You find fictional minors attractive but not real ones? Why does the line between finding someone who is (and usually also looks like) a child sexually attractive get drawn at whether the child is real or not? I'm not calling anyone pedophiles, but if the shoe fits... And also no, I am not talking about 18 y/os finding 17 y/os attractive. Use your brain. Creating content of underaged characters is still questionable regardless of age, however.

Then why write about it? Because I want to. Why I want to is a very personal question.

If for coping purposes, why post it online for others (especially actual predators) to see and consume?

To get feedback of my writing, which is a social activity! If your logic is that a predator might enjoy something, then there's no ethical way to create.

And you're seriously going to tell me that just because as an adult you want to see a fictional minor (that mind you, is usually designed to resemble an actual child) depicted in sexual situations doesn't mean you don't share that same view concerning children in real life?

I don't read smut. I barely write smut. This is an unfounded assumption. Also, that is using the slippery slope fallacy. There are many things in fiction I write about that I don't condone in real life, such as murder, abuse, graphic bodily harm, and child endangerment.

The assumption that people condone shit they read and write about is kind of weird to me, mate.

You find fictional minors attractive but not real ones?

Yes, even though I've only had a handful of underage fictional crushes since I've turned 18. (Miu Iruma, currently.)

In 90% of cases, teenaged fictional characters look, are voiced by, and act like adults. The narrative treats them as adults. If a character's age isn't directly relevant to the plot, why care about it?

Why does the line between finding someone who is (and usually also looks like) a child sexually attractive get drawn at whether the child is real or not?

A very good question! The answer is because a real child is harmed, while a fictional one isn't. Paedophilia isn't bad due to the fact its gross (and I do find it gross.), its bad because someone gets hurt!

The only time fictional characters get hurt, is when we authors/readers IMAGINE them getting hurt. All harm done is imaginary.

Furthermore, I really dislike you using 'looks like a child' here. Thats body shaming, since there is a large portion of adults that happen to look like children. A lot of disabled people are also infantilized for similar reasons. Looks have nothing to do with the morality of an act.

Creating content of underaged characters is still questionable regardless of age, however.

Here are my ao3 warnings. My ao3 is SHSL_Angstlord if you'd like to make sure I'm not lying. When you accuse someone of being a predator, the burden of proof is on you to provide actual evidence.

[toh-proship-positivity]

#CharminglyProBelos an event by and for Belos fans!

Welcome to the #CharminglyProBelos event! An all year round event for the TOH fandom and more specifically Belos fans. What is this event you may ask: A hastag for Belos fans to let loose and post as they want, post all the dark topics you can think off, do you want to post about Empgold? Bellector, Philuz or Belos horribly torturing someone? This is the event for you! Any and all Belos art is welcome regardless of subject or content. Some examples of what is allowed: Any and all ship content, doesn't matter what the ship is violence gore murder any and all dark or what is deemed problematic themes pretty much good Belos stuff (reformed aus, good uncle aus you name it) edits videos crafts nothing is off the table, go buck wild! Why is this event?: Sadly many fans for some reason do not understand that liking a fictional villain does not mean you agree or condone with their actions or want to see it happen in real life. This goes for fiction in general, there are many bad things in fiction, murder, torture, people being violently punched to a bloody pulp, drugs, alcohol you name it. However just because people enjoy dark themes in fiction does not mean they think this is okay in real life. We do not stand or tollerate any kind of harassment, bullying doxxing or sending death threats. This behaviour is not okay not even from other Belos fans, please do notify me of such behaviour if it does happen, there is an alternative hashtag for only clean Belos content so if people don't want to see the nittygritty then that hashtag is for them. Rules, yes there are a few: - Please make sure anything is in line with Tumblr's/Twitter's Guidelines, as much as I'm not a fan of it myself but it can't be helped. We don't want anyone to get their socials nuked, for those seeking to really post the hard stuff, Bluesky, Aethy and Baraag are places to do that. If anyone else knows other sites then let me know so I can add them. - Please tag everything accordingly! Do not censor trigger warnings, this isn't tiktok, censoring things isn't going to get filtered out so if your work includes gore please make sure to tag it for that, does it contain blood? tag it for blood, violence? tag it for violence etc etc. I could be mistaken so please do correct me on what is the most preffered/used tag for content/trigger warnings! - Do NOT use this hastag to spread hate or negativity, if you don't like problematic content, or don't like Belos that's fine. Just block this tag and if you see someone posting in the wrong tag just point them to this tag. - If you are an anti or anti supporter, do not interact with this tag at all, you don't like ANY problematic (including but not limited to: gore, murder, violence, etc) content that's fine, this is not for you. Again there is an alternative hastag for only strictly unproblematic Belos content use that one if dark themes aren't your thing. Remember: Liking villains isn't a crime, liking dark fiction isn't a crime, liking dark themes isn't a crime. You are not a bad person for enjoying any of this regardless if it's to cope or just to explore taboo topics, this is a safe space.

[galacticskull]

While consensual non-con is a thing, I rarely see it myself. Since both writers and readers know what they're getting into, they may not see the point in including it. And/or since it's consensual, it's not rape. Some simply enjoy dark content, some use it as a coping mechanism for their trauma. And sometimes it's a mix of both.

This wasn't mentioned, but I feel it's similar enough to be brought up. Dub-con (dubious consent) is coercion via threats/blackmail, pressuring or promising some kind of reward. I would also include drugs and alcohol. If they wouldnt agree to it sober, being intoxicated doesn't count.

If it's not 100% consensual between all parties involved, it's rape. Period. However there's nothing wrong in consuming fictional works about it, because it's fictional.

It only becomes a problem when

The author neglects to tag it properly, albeit that's rare nowadays.

People trying to use fiction to justify a horrible crime.

Suggesting anyone who writes or reads stuff like this is pro-rape, which is just isn't true.

James Patterson made a name for himself by writing murder mysteries. I bet my bottom dollar that he doesn't condone murder. Same principle applies to kinks.

Anyway, that's just my two cents on the matter. Hope this helps :)

I’m curious, so please don’t take this the wrong way, but what exactly about con-non makes you want to write it? Do you enjoy it as a kink or simply like writing it? Also, what separates non-con from actual rape, if anything?

(Again, this isn’t kink-shaming, I just enjoy learning how other people’s heads work, if that makes sense 😼)

Hello. I can't speak for everyone, but I will try to explain how I feel about it as best I can.

Non-con is something that I recognize as a kink, but only in fantasy. I can differentiate something like that happening in a made-up story from things that actually occur in real life.

Again, I cannot speak for everyone, but for me, at least, it is about power dynamics. I like reading and writing stories with a power imbalance. It is just a dynamic that I like regarding kinks and fantasy.

I don't think there really is a difference between non-con and rape. If there isn't consent, then it is rape. That is just how I see it.

Overall, it is something that I enjoy in a completely fictional setting where everything is controlled. As a reader, if I ever feel it's getting too dark or too much for me, I can stop reading and end it. So it is getting to explore a darker fantasy/kink while still being safe and in control.

I don’t know if that makes sense to others. It is a little hard to explain.

If anyone else would like to explain or add on, feel free to do so (as long as you do it respectfully).

[sazandorable]

About moderating and banning content on AO3!

Okay so! I haven’t had the spoons to do this for a while but I cracked and ranted about it on twitter which is... not... conducive to long rants, so!

This is a h u g e discussion part of the l o n g history that led to the creation of AO3, which older, more informed, and more articulate people have talked about at length and can be found around if you look (I reblog some of it in my AO3 and fandom history tags for the curious). So I won’t go into that here, nor into the practical reasons why it’s not even possible to put that system in place anyway.

Arbitrarily, or the purpose of this post, because it’s the biggest topic I’ve seen brought up lately, I’ll be talking about fic depicting underage characters in se*ual situations, but honestly I could hold the exact same conversation on literally any controversial content.

This is about why you, specifically, if you are a content creator and especially if you are marginalised and especially if you are queer and especially especially if you are sensitive to fiction depicting certain things... do not, actually, want a banning system on AO3.

What? Of course we do. There’s a lot of p*do shit on AO3 and p*do shit is gross. No one should condone that, wtf? It would be easy to do — just periodically delete the entire Underage tag!

What will happen if that is done is that people will re-upload and continue to write it, they’ll just stop tagging and you will run into it with zero warning nor ability to filter it out. Again, this is not a theoretical — we know this is what happens. When I was a teen, adult content (all adult content) was not allowed on FF.NET; it was everywhere regardless, and without tags. The exact same thing happened on tumblr when adult content was banned as well. It’s not a matter of “staff not handling it well” — it just doesn’t work.

To keep safe the people who need to be able to exclude that tag, that tag needs to exist and be used.

Well, shucks. A reporting system then?

A reporting system would operate in one of two ways:

-an algorithm, which would delete a lot of stuff we wouldn’t want it to delete.

-humans, which is... the bigger problem.

An algorithm sounds great. We do want it to delete everything.

Okay. What about the daddy k*nk fics between consenting adult characters? What about the fics featuring characters that are children in the canon but are adults in the fic? What about the fics about teenagers exploring their se*uality together, written by adults about the experiences they remember having or wish they could have had? What about the thousands of SasuNaru and Drarry and other shounen and YA fics that will get written, by teens or by people who remember being teens? What about the se*ually explicit fic written by teens who are se*ually active in real life? What about the fics about CSA as trauma, about healing from it? What about the fics written by survivors of CSA to cope about their trauma? What about the fics that clearly show that it’s evil and traumatic? What about the super dark, harrowing, but beautiful and artistic that I’m glad I read even though it fucked me up for days? What about the ones that were really shitty but also horribly hot?

Well, some of these are still not okay, but maybe some might be. It depends on how it’s written. We’ll have humans moderating content and deciding, then.

Okay.

The thing is, I don’t know which of the things I just listed were okay for you to be depicted in fiction and which were too much. Odds are I don’t agree with you. Odds are if I asked 10 people randomly picked off the street, not everyone would agree.

Odds are, even if AO3 arbitrarily decided on which of those are allowed and which are not, you would not agree with their choice, and you would still be unhappy with the decision. (Or you would be happy, but your friends wouldn’t.)

Odds are, different AO3 content moderators might not agree on whether a given fic qualifies or not — is it artistic enough? Does it show enough that these actions are evil and wrong? Can the author prove they’re a teenager? Can the author prove they are a CSA victim? Can the author prove that this is to help them cope with their trauma? The author seem to be functioning alright, they mustn’t really be traumatised!

You know what I mean! There’s absolute, objectively gross shit out there that is not artistic and should not be published.

I agree that there’s vile stuff out there that makes me sick and that I think is very clearly just ped*philic trash. But there is no way to, 1) stop those from getting published anyway, 2) take those down and preserve the safety of everything else.

If we start forbidding some things, there’s two ways to go about it.

One single, clear, arbitrary rule — for instance, absolutely no adult content featuring characters under 18 (leaving aside the fact that this would not even work for the reason cited above). So we lose all the stuff from teenagers, all the coming of age stories about adolescence, all the stuff from CSA survivors; people who need to write it can’t publish it anymore, and people who need to read it can’t anymore either (and as a cool bonus, they’re told it’s wrong and made to feel bad about it). Depending on whether the rules applies to characters that are under 18 in the canon, we lose entire fandoms.

Or, subjective moderation by humans, according to what they estimate to be gross.

Let’s assume all moderators can agree on what’s gross or not.

If there is a system in place to ban some underage works because “gross shit”, then that means other gross stuff can be taken down on account of being gross and harmful.

Yeah! Gross stuff should be taken down! Come on, surely everyone agrees on what’s gross and harmful.

Ah.

But the problem is.

Here is a list of things I have seen — with my eyes seen — called harmful to be depicted in fiction:

Murder

Non-con

Inc*st

Cannibalism

Torture

Self-harm

Mental illness

Drugs

Racism

K*nk

Non-negotiated k*nk, but healthy k*nk is ok

Spanking k*nk

BDSM where the woman is a bottom, but woman top is ok

Healthy depictions of BDSM

Unhealthy depictions of BDSM

Queer people doing bad things

Abusive relationships

Rival/Enemies to lovers

Redemption stories

A happy relationship between a 17 yo and an 18 yo

A happy relationship between a 20 yo and a 60 yo

A happy relationship between a boss and their employee, or a college teacher and a student

A happy relationship between a 14 yo boy and an older teenage boy, because that’s reminiscent of older men preying on younger gay boys IRL

Se*ual content featuring a character whose age is unclear in canon and some people headcanon them as being underage, some as being a young adult

Loving, consensual fluff between characters that are evil villains, because it romanticises them and their actions

Dark content shipping female characters

Fluffy content shipping female characters, because it’s misogynistic to act like lesbians are only soft all the time

Consensual s*x featuring a canonically asexual character, because it implies that all aces can and should still have se*

Fics about the same canonically asexual character hating s*x, because that erases the experience of s*x-positive aces

Shipping a character who is perceived by some fans as queer-coded with a character of a different s*x

The tendency to ship a black character with white characters

Fluffy drunk s*x, because that’s not actually consensual

Sleep s*x, because that’s not actually consensual

Trans characters not experiencing dysphoria, because that idealises the trans experience

Consensual s*x between adults that are not married

LGBT+ content, because kids shouldn’t see that.

I guarantee you: you, I, and 10 random people plucked from the street will not agree on what, in that list, is and isn’t okay to publish and consume fiction of.

So why should your taste be the one followed? Why should it be the taste of mods you don’t know? Why should anyone get to dictate? What if the mods think your OTP is gross and your NOTP is fine?

This is the slippery slope argument.

Yes, it is the slippery slope argument. Because we know it happens. Because we’ve been there, because I’ve seen it happen myself twice already and I’m not even thirty. Because we know people do complain loudly about all of these things.

And because the second there is a banning system in place, assholes will use the system to abuse it and get stuff they just don’t like taken down using the “it is gross” argument, and one day you’ll wake up and the beautiful fic that helped you come to terms with your abuse/trauma/identity/orientation/k*nk for feet will be taken down and wonderful vulnerable creative people will have been harassed out of fandom because they argued with 1 person who didn’t like their foot k*nk fic that happened to also feature, for instance, a CSA trauma backstory.

Again: not exaggerating. Not theoretical. It happens, we know it happens, AO3 was created literally because it happens.

I still fucking hate that stuff.

That is completely fine and normal. No one likes everything. Me too! Most of the dark stuff is niche and the creators know only few people will like it the same way they do.

(For the record, I get grossed out and triggered by fics about an asexual character who does not like s*x having s*x with their partner to make them happy. Deep in my gut everything screams that that’s fucked up, terrifying and harmful, how can people write that. But I recognise that there are people who love and need that, and I leave those people and their content alone.

OTOH, I read a lot of otherwise dark shit and I enjoy it in the same way I enjoyed, say, Hannibal, in the same way some people enjoy true crime documentaries, horror movies or r*pe fantasy k*nk. It helps me explore stuff that I like to see in fiction, in a safe, controlled way. I’m also asexual, 90% s*x-repulsed IRL, and, obviously, I would never abuse a child. For that matter, I wouldn’t kill and eat people, either, nor would I do 90% of the tamer k*nky stuff I read.

Of course, Hannibal was fucked up and lots of people probably think Hannibal was gross and should not have been aired — but as exemplified by the fact that it was created, aired and watched, lots of people thought it was fine, interesting and even fun to watch.)

You can and should curate your experience and protect yourself. The AO3 website now allows you to exclude certain tags, and people have developed tools to help with that such as plugins that save your filters or hide fics that contain certain words.

But no, it isn’t going to, and it shouldn’t, get banned.

[vex-bittys]

How does the staff react to the "bitty whump" side of the bitty fandom? (Dont look if you're faint of heart, Tw rape, abuse, murder, betrayal, forced breeding etc)

*As far as the staff goes, Butter, Poff, and Honey are much too young to read/view that type of content. Syrup has long since decided never to leave the shop because humans are weird and untrustworthy. Bitty whump just confirms this for him. Edgar and Waffle severely disapprove of bitty abuse and harm because they often rescue bitties who have been victims of this. Miss Vex (character) does not approve because she runs a shelter and medical center that sees far too many injured or traumatized bitties.

*As far as me, Vex, as a person? Whump fic/art doesn’t actually bother me that much. I don’t seek it out, but if I see it, I’m not going to be triggered by it. I even wrote a (fairly mild) bitty whump piece for ammazolie once. I’m going to give a very long explanation below for why people who write, draw, or enjoy any type of whump media should not be demonized, but I also want everyone to know that it is ok to dislike and avoid this type of media. If it is triggering to you, don’t seek it out. 

*Please also remember that the creators of this media are human beings, so maybe don’t harass them or send them death threats? This is not up for debate or discussion on this blog.

*So I like psychology. I love the psychology of movies and stories. One of my favorite bits of media psychology is the reason that people love to scare themselves with haunted houses, rollercoasters, and scary movies. Some people genuinely enjoy the shock factor they feel when viewing or experiencing these things, but the deeply ingrained reason that we love these things so much? Control. Control of fear. No matter how scary the experience is, you know that it will end. You can safely put yourself in this situation knowing that it will only last the duration of the experience.

*Why is this important to the psyche? Because the world is downright terrifying, and one of the scariest parts of the big, bad world? Things happen without a reason. Things happen beyond our control. Things can happen to anyone at anytime. We need to be able to ground ourselves by exerting control over emotional experiences.

*Many people use whump media as a coping mechanism for trauma. They could not control the trauma that happened to them, but when creating whump media, they can control it. Some people use it to cope with a scary world by creating fictional situations that reflect that scariness. By controlling what happens, it gives the power back to them. Some people just enjoy the sense of excitement it gives them without causing harm to others. I can experience this and no one is harmed? There’s a thrill to that, a thrill that people would not enjoy knowing that an actual person or animal was harmed.

*I know a lot of people (especially young people) in fandom feel very righteously outraged that such things can exist. That’s the idealism of youth. Everyone experiences that at some point. That’s a young person’s reaction to the uncertainty and injustice of the world. There’s so much scary stuff out there that it’s natural to want to change it, but sometimes it seems like too big a problem to pursue. Instead, younger fans will try to stomp out whump because they see it as a problem they can tackle. Their extreme reaction to whump reflects the extreme uncertainty and lack of control they see in the world.

*One argument is the whump normalizes violence, including sexual violence and torture. They think that whump creators are setting a bad example for young people (though they themselves are young and can immediately determine that the situations dealt with in whump are bad). It’s not a matter of normalizing these situations for children. This is a matter of recognizing the difference between fiction and reality, and being able to view media without accepting that everything you see is normal or proper behavior. 

*This is something that comes with experience. We aren’t born knowing everything. As we grow up, we learn that fiction is not reality. We learn that sometimes media addresses negative or terrible things from the real world. However it is addressed, we still have our own moral compass to guide us.

*I have written whump, and I have written noncon both as a kink and as a crime/whump. Am I a terrible person who torments animals and condones rape? Hell no! I am a very outspoken advocate of more severe punishments for rapists and animal abusers. Creating something in fiction is not the same as supporting or condoning it in reality. I really hope some people read this and it makes them think.

*You don’t have to like whump. Lots of people don’t. Lots of people find it triggering, and that’s ok. The best thing to do if whump is upsetting to you is to avoid it. Don’t seek it out just so you can harass creators. Don’t seek it out at all. You control your online experience through the content and interactions you’re engaging in. Do what is right for you, but try to respect that not everyone views media in the way or for the same purpose.

[yanderewhims]

Hello! So I've been wanting to start yandere blog, but I'm a bit scared to. I know it's a controversial subject to write and can be very triggering to others, but personally I would like to try it out! What do you think I should do?

Hello there anon!

I can understand how you feel--yandere IS a very touchy subject with most people and there will be people (like antis who run quite rampant in fandoms) who will try to shame you for liking or writing for it, calling you an 'abuse apologist' or all kinds of shit. However it's important to understand that it is only fictional. Just because you write certain subjects does not mean you condone them in real life. For example, a someone who writes crime shows write about murder a lot. Does that mean they support murder? No it does not! It's all about being able to separate fiction from reality and understanding that just because you read/write about something bad, doesnt mean you're a bad person. Everyone has their own reason for liking 'problematic' content-- some people use it to cope (I personally do this a bit), some people do it to explore the subject, etc. It's not a bad thing to explore things in fiction.

Some tips I do have however:

1. Tagging is your best friend. Always be sure to tag yandere-themed posts properly so they won't end up in main tag, or so people who dislike yandere can blacklist and block the tags. I always tag posts as 'tw yandere' so that people can blacklist it.

2. Add trigger warnings! It's important to always warn any readers what they will read about. If it contains something that they're not comfortable with, for example NSFW content, they know to not to read it. Also, it's just more courteous.

3. Tumblr tagging system is pretty fucked up though, so even if it includes the characters name it will end up in tags. Screenshotting the request is a good idea to prevent that.

4. Just be mindful of what you write. As mentioned before, yandere can be triggering and uncomfortable to others, which is understandable, after all it does deal with things like abuse and toxic relationships. I'm no purity police, lmao I'm the last person to purity police, but I think its important to understand just what you're writing and why others would be uncomfortable. Try not to romanticize it too much, because remember: yanderes are not a positive thing. They are negative, they are toxic, they are abusive and vile, so try to portray it as such, if that makes sense.

That being said, if you wanna make a blog for it, go for it! Just try to keep certain things in mind, but also have fun with it. Like I said before: it's all just fiction.

[bountyman]

Name any three things about the rpc that bother you.

the be honest meme || x || accepting

Hum… 

1) Definitely the sort of hive-mind / mob mentality that sometimes rises up in the RPC. I’ve been fortunate to never experience it first-hand, but I’ve seen some roleplayers (genuinely nice ones!) get absolutely hounded by people for small mistakes, slips, things they’ve already apologized for, and even just false rumors. It’s scary how some folks will see cal.lo.ut posts, blindly agree, and then jump on the hate bandwagon.  I think I’ve mentioned this kind of thing before on my blog, but it’s happened enough times that it just sticks out so sorely in my mind. Observations of a few really bad and unfounded cases are the biggest reason why I’m so against call.ou.t / cancel culture. I know some of them are done with good intention, but honestly it just strikes me as childish and I’ve only ever seen maybe 1 instance in almost 10 years where it was ever justified.2) Roleplay groups that clog RP tags with ads, promos, and submissions!! Lord have mercy, I think I’ve blocked more RPGs than po.rn bots. I’m not against RP groups but wowee I can’t scroll through #marvel rp / #dc rp / #disney rp / any big RPC tags without getting flooded with ad after ad from RPGs. I think all the submission and application posts are the most annoying, though. It makes it so hard to find other indie blogs and definitely doesn’t make me want to join their group. 3) This is likely unpopular, but how villains or morally grey muses are treated within the RPC / people trying to equate mun and muse. I only write two bad guys right now and so far I’ve had decent luck with no one trying to police them, but I’ve had experiences in the past where people have tried to tell me that I couldn’t write something because they didn’t agree with it, or they became upset when my villain muse lashed out at theirs. If you’re going to write with a serial killer muse (for instance) or a muse with an aggressive personality… maybe don’t get offended when your muse pushes them and they strike back?

Additionally, it’s just really weird to me what people try to tell writers they can’t write. I’m mostly talking about villains here, but this could be applied to any kind of character. 

For example, there are muns out here getting dragged for writing dark topics like r.ap.e, but no one cares if someone writes about murder or torture? Now, granted, I’d never write a ra.p.e scene. Personally, that makes me extremely uncomfortable, but I also don’t really care if someone else writes it providing that both muns are consenting and it’s properly tagged. Why does one dark topic get a pass, while another equally dark (or in some cases objectively less dark) doesn’t?

You could argue that fiction has an affect on people and, sure, I won’t argue with that. Fiction is powerful. Fiction can change how people think and feel. But censorship is arguably more dangerous and I can’t agree that just because something is dark or taboo means that it shouldn’t be written at all. Fiction is a safe way to explore the dark, the macabre, and the violent, and for some people, it’s a way to cope with the horrible things that have happened in their lives.

A writer shouldn’t have to worry whether or not they need to babysit people or explain why a topic is bad, or worry whether or not the content they’re writing is “too dark”. The reader is responsible for what they view, and if those things truly do tempt them to do bad things, they shouldn’t be on the Internet at all. If someone writing a torture scene makes you want to go torture someone, that is not normal. Get off the Internet and go get help. But don’t blame the writer. And absolutely never assume that whatever is being written equals condoning that thing. Mun never ever necessarily equals muse.

Let villains be villains. Let characters do morally grey or straight up wrong things. It’s always good to write respectfully and to use your own discretion, but… also? This is just tumblr roleplay. No one is out here getting published. No one is preaching to the masses and trying to flip the world on its head by writing something questionable or dark. 

Just let villains be villains. A mun who writes a serial killer (or whatever!) doesn’t make them a serial killer, any more than a mun writing a four-headed platypus makes them a four-headed platypus. 

[androgynousblackbox]

What's your opinion on the yandere/yancore community on tumblr? So basically a yandere is anime-speak for an obsessive psycho that stalks her crush and would kill anyone for getting close to said crush.. Now people on tumblr(yandere community) are proudly calling themselves yandere and bragging about how stalkerish they are irl.

Well, considering I have some Morty OC that are yandere, some yandere Rick, I have a tag of yandere content and follow some yancore blogs, I do like the fictional trope of an obssesive lover.What I have seen about the community itself (and I will admit is not that much so take that with a grain of salt), is that a lot of people are very much concentrated on clarifying that they do not condone the actions of yanderes. I see that disclaimer a lot on blog titles, description or FQA, to the point I actually feel is ridiculous because it should be the norm to expect people AREN’T actually thinking murdering, stalking and about to stab someone because they talked to another person. The fact that here in tumblr just assumed that because you post shit like “only look at me, senpai, or I will kill everyone you know!” you MUST be a murder on the making, instead of someone just having harmless fun playing out a silly fantasy unless say otherwise is really unsettling to me.Now, I have seen people mention those people like the ones you describe, and I don’t doubt they are real because there is a bit of everything on this world, but it doesn’t really seems they are a majority? Or greatly accepted overall? They seems to be a vocal minority and, like, obviously that isn’t cool, but it shouldn’t speak for everyone who likes those characters either. Unhelpful, obnoxious and vocal minorities are going to be found on every single community ever if it’s big enough, so no surprise there.I also heard that some people with some mental illneses use yanderecore for coping, which, you know, that is fucking great and good for them.So I think I am good with the whole thing. But those people, if they are saying the truth, which is questionable on itself, sound like they are going through some mental issue that is getting untreated and they are not going to get better by someone calling them “psychos”.

[permian-tropos]

CW: discussion of real world violence

ok but one of my least favorite things in all of the kylo discourse is 

-- the argument that he’s a school shooter/incel/neo-nazi and therefore a) you’re not allowed to engage with his character on any level besides far-removed disgust because it destroys any appeal to this made-up character in a space fantasy who crowns himself supreme fucklord of the shiny brutalist galactic autocracy and has a laser sword with a crossguard made of more laser sword and is portrayed by a subjectively attractive actor or b) we have to explain why he’s actually nothing like that and never talk about these issues because it would be wrong to take this made-up character who does lots of violence on a mega galactic scale and kills the two most beloved characters of modern cinema and like, use him as an outlet for feelings about real world violence or something

to me it seems truly ugly to ask, in particular, Gen Z kids, but anyone right now, not to make art about dangerous people in their generation and their society and possibly their own community. this isn’t about appropriating the trauma of a far off country or distant history. right in this day and age kids in America go to high school in fear that one of their peers might snap and murder them -- but they can’t go around looking at every other teenager as an inhuman monster. they have to deal with that cognitive dissonance

I can’t condone telling young people or indeed the parents of young people that they can’t express something of that. write your fucking fiction about fantastical school shooters and incels and neo-nazis for god’s sake! write what your id wants to write about that, not just what seems the most morally safe. they’re all around you and they’re genuinely threatening your safety or the safety of your children but they in a sense might also be you, or your child, or someone you are close with, and you’re allowed a space to cope with that

people will say that it causes more of this evil, it normalizes and encourages it. that any time people artistically express ideas outside of a rigid moral framework about some social ill, it will only encourage that social ill

but this is a) fucking terrible when it comes to priorities about solving social ills because maybe there’s nothing wrong with art being fucked up if a society is fucked up and b) saying that venting feelings into an unreality where no one can be harmed, is more harmful than repression

sanitizing media by insisting that dark stories are undesirable and aesthetically antithetical to fiction based on like. mythology (lol) or fairy tales (LOL!!!) or FUCKING PSYCHOANALYSIS (LMAO!!!!), or by insisting that canon is simultaneously too dark and too pure to put these discussions anywhere but dry, moralizing, opinionated, un-artistic Discourse (like this post)

so yeah that’s my hot take. I used to really hate certain kinds of dark edgy shit but giving people full opportunities to avoid it =/= eradicating it and SW fandom in particular has swung hard into this trend of sanitizing everything and then pretending that the sanitization of media has only ever been about removing marginalized identities, and not also about removing dark topics because they were dark and because they exposed people’s existential horror at a society, which is, quite frankly, very bad

[wecovewy]

mental health & fiction kin

NOTE: this is all my personal opinion, but that being said i will not entertain arguments on this post as it’s a place to help people who kin to navigate specific issues they might deal with relating to kin. i am not anti-kin but similarly i don’t erase the communities terrible flaws. this is informed by my critical eye of psychiatry, belief kin can genuinely be spiritual, and that it can be healthy as a coping mechanism for those who it is not spiritual for. it’s specifically fiction kin as that’s what i see the most of these issues with, but hopefully if otherkin have similar issues this is helpful as well

my question for everyone here is does kinning this character/being this character cause you a significant amount of distress and if so why?

if the distress is caused by outer judgement from others:

first check if it’s semi-warranted (like in the case of an abuse victim being harsh due to you kinning an abuser, or some similar case where you may be inadvertently causing harm). i am not saying you are a terrible person if this is the case or even that this reaction is valid, as i don’t know the details of you or the situation. but i do know that in these cases it is always best to not publicly talk about this kin around anyone who may be upset. if it’s too important for you to fully only be in private, try speaking to a close friend about if you can talk to them about it. keep it out of discord servers and social media, to help protect others’ mental health as well as your own.

if the judgement is unwarranted, then the problem may be the community/who you are around. try to distance from the parts of the community that are unfairly judging you-- softblocking/hardblocking isn’t an evil thing to do, and neither is leaving a server that is unhealthy for you. if it’s coming from someone close to you, try to have a conversation with the person about how they are effecting you. if they react poorly, you may be dealing with a friendship that is not healthy for you and should think on if you want this person in your life.

if the distress is caused by guilt for past actions (canonical or not):

remember the context of whatever decisions/actions your kin/you did and remember that this isn’t this life (if youre spiritual) or real (if youre not). keeping in mind the context helps spiritual kins remember that they had reasons and were still human, while for coping kins can help them separate the action from real-world morality. if you now had done whatever you feel guilty for (usually murder), it would be a different story, but it’s in the past and you only need to feel guilt for your own actions in the present. think on if you would in the present do those things if presented the opportunity. you most likely wouldn’t, because you are a different person now.

try to reach out to a friend who it is safe to talk about kin with and talk through these things if you need validation for your thought process on those topics. remember that self-soothing is not the same as condoning the actions (though check out my outer judgements section to ensure you’re not impacting other people by kinning this character)

if the distress is caused by negative events (canonical or not):

if your character has a “happy ending”, try to focus on how all of these negative things resolved and how your kin/you recovered from whatever occurred. look for content of comfort characters in the piece of media, who make you remember the good things of the media/past life. read fix-it aus or write some yourself or even just think about positive ways things could go for your kin/you.

sometimes, you just need to wallow or self pity or cry, and that’s okay. let yourself feel your emotions. sometimes with kin, feeling pain from the past/the fictional is a way of coping with issues from the current. think about what in your current life might be upsetting you and if that’s the true cause of your feelings.

if the distress is caused by others with the same kin:

write down things in your canon/interpretation of the character that are unique or not universal to all canons/interpretations. remember that THAT is which version of your kin you are/kin and that “doubles” kin/are a different version of them that isn’t the exact same canon/interpretation. this doesn’t make them “invalid’ or “fake”, it make them different.

if youre resorting to treating or talking about doubles in a way that could be detrimental to their mental health, please try to follow these steps. hurting others for your own health isn’t good for anyone and doesn’t genuinely help you, only offers temporary relief.

for all of these if they occur consistently and outweigh the positives of kinning this character, consider distancing from the kin. write down the differences between you and the character in canon. keep track of what reminds you of this character or makes you “shift” if you experience shifts and avoid these things or re-associate them with something different and more positive for you. shift away from first person pronouns if you use them, if this doesn’t also cause you distress or pain. if you are past life/spiritual remember distancing doesn’t take away that life, it just keeps you from dwelling on the negatives.

i also want to remind you that kin should help you with your personal identity, not hurt it. don’t define your personality around who you relate to/were before, instead see what is similar between you and the kin. kin can inform or influence decisions (for example, choosing to watch something with characters you might want to kin or buying clothes you think your kin looked cool in to see if you vibe) but should not MAKE your decisions FOR YOU (for example, not acting or dressing in a way you like because it’s out of character or dating someone because of their kins).

[jammy-badger]

that ‘*inhale* okay tumblr we need to talk’ meme is funny af bc of the stupid way the comic is put together but like, the original post does have a point

contrary to the overly-exaggerated and severely misinformed common opinion of tungle.hell, nobody actually gets hurt by fanworks. if you dont want to see it, you dont have to see it. if you produce that kind of content, you make sure it’s published in a place where only people who want to see it can see it

yeah, i don’t condone pedophilia and i dont want to look at incest art/underage art, but i understand that other people use this sort of thing to cope with abuse, or just enjoy a particular genre? plenty of fiction and fanart has murder and torture and kidnapping and rape and mental illness and abuse and suicide and so on in it, and independent artists producing this content is no different

though i dont enjoy the kind of works that have underage pairings and incest in them, i’m not going to try and stop them from being produced because A. it’s actually not legally considered child pornography if it’s with fictional children (because no children are actually getting hurt) B. it’s not going to stop because you, a Furious 17 year old, reblogged an artist’s hard work with some snarky reply

tldr: reading game of thrones doesn’t mean that you condone rape, murder, cannibalism, incest, and child death by dragon. george rr martin doesn’t condone rape, murder, cannibalism, incest, and child death by dragon. fanworks are no different, so calm tf down