podiots sentence starters, part i. contains 143 lines of dialogue collected from episodes one through three of the vidiots’ fortnightly podcast podiots. i’ve edited some lines to fit roleplay better, and randomised the order. contains two mentions of violence against nazis---last two sentences on the list, if don’t want to see it---feel free to change those into your muse’s in-universe equivalents, as well as edit anything else needed to fit your muse’s mouth or life better.
❝ after my dad showed me that, i never trusted him again. ❞
❝ that’s actually an explanation for a lot of ghost sightings, carbon monoxide poisoning. there are symptoms that cause like hallucinations and feelings of dread and fear. ❞
❝ i would be called chocolate thunder, and i’d wear a cape. ❞
❝ would you just get over it? i was a kid! ❞
❝ it was just this weird rag doll girl who happened to be in a bikini just falling, forever. ❞
❝ is there ever not a sexual element to it?! ❞
❝ well, you’ve clearly never met a salaried genie who’s on a retainer. ❞
❝ you’ve had your money taken. ❞
❝ i just want people to pay attention, for fuck’s sake. ❞
❝ you guys are really into your obscure shit. ❞
❝ it’s a bit like class tourism, isn’t it? ❞
❝ that’s what i was saying, this is---this is probably not legal. ❞
❝ you asked to bring weird things. ❞
❝ boy, do i hate facebook! ❞
❝ to be fair, her balloon animals are quite impressive. ❞
❝ jesus, why aren’t you on neopets yet? ❞
❝ you can’t always afford the homemade stuff. and typically, there’s less of it. and sometimes it’s not very good. and you’re paying a premium! ❞
❝ i’m so fucking over [thing]. to be fair, i ruined it for myself. ❞
❝ he’s just some time traveller, fucking with them with a fucking mp3 player. ❞
❝ what the fuck is a ‘num noms’? ❞
❝ so it’s a miracle that [name] didn’t asphyxiate himself as a child, and it’s amazing that i didn’t have some kind of cardiac issue almost immediately in my late teens. what do you bring to the table here? ❞
❝ i’m a big fan of weird gameboy stuff. ❞
❝ i’m like that rabbit from alice in wonderland. tiny, and late, and white. ❞
❝ it’ll make you terrified of ever going to a hotel again. ❞
❝ i like watching it but it’s not teaching me anything. ❞
❝ no, i don’t think there was any bubbles in it. ❞
❝ what do your mums think about what you’re doing? ❞
❝ gho-mophobic. that was a really difficult pun. ❞
❝ should we just start it? should we just go without him? ❞
❝ not that i could out-style you in any capacity. ❞
❝ i shouldn’t have asked for a horse. ❞
❝ our problem was nobody would take us seriously. ❞
❝ i’ve spent months trying to explain the job to her. my old job, she kind of got that, but now... ❞
❝ about halfway into the first [food] i went ‘oh... this is a lot of food’.---/i ate it all/, and then i felt sick for the rest of the sunday. ❞
❝ you were skirting around it, but if you ask me, directly, that’s what i’m going to say. ❞
❝ say a ghost laid a ghost poo on the floor, does it just stay there forever? ❞
❝ do you have an answer to this? because i’ve never given /any/ thought... ❞
❝ i’ve heard somewhere you can do that now. ❞
❝ my mum thinks you’re very funny, [name]. ❞
❝ no, that was all you. every penny, all you. ❞
❝ not the reason i was there, but it was a nice benefit. ❞
❝ stop. i mean---don’t stop. but /stop/. ❞
❝ [name] is the kind of man who’s so rich, he thinks a can of beans costs two thousand dollars. ❞
❝ just before going/coming in, my taxi driver said ‘oh, be careful, people get stabbed around here, bye!’ ❞
❝ be aware that this is /not/ a donation to a charitable cause. ❞
❝ i just do shots of olive oil. ❞
❝ no wonder he’s so fucking weird. ❞
❝ get a big old truck, for all that junk inside your trunk. ❞
❝ you’re not supposed to put cotton swabs in there, let alone a lit flame. ❞
❝ fuck you... [name]. i’m gonna... suck. your dick. ❞
❝ i’ve admittedly grown more bold with my culinary disgusts. ❞
❝ my chocolate shotgun, it’s a legally non-threatening weapon. ❞
❝ you did look very smart. very respectable. ❞
❝ everyone’s pulled the legs off a daddy longlegs, but that’s just like level one, that’s where you leave it. ❞
❝ see, that just sounds like batman. ❞
❝ i forgot that was the origin of this. ❞
❝ i feel like there’s something in the air. ❞
❝ there’s cosplaying and dressing up, and then there’s furries. ❞
❝ obviously, he--i mean i say obviously, like it’s /logical/, but... ❞
❝ if they did that, it’d be a lot more convenient for me. sometimes, it’s not the end of the world, is all i’m saying. ❞
❝ i am a freak. i have hands and feet, and if you’d saw me, you’d be petrified. ❞
❝ they have a meal deal which is like [£40/€45/$55]. and you get like a 25" square pizza, like seven garlic breads, and several ice creams. i could never make a dent in that, but the idea of it sounds very sexy. ❞
❝ well, he’ll be back soon! ❞
❝ you know, like a hammer throw---if i tied a string around it, i think i could throw a ps2 pretty far. properly like, swing it around, lean against it, do a spin. ❞
❝ day to day... i don’t eat breakfast. ❞
❝ we’re trying to be on everything, that’s our goal. ❞
❝ my finishing move would be called the ‘fuck you.’ ❞
❝ but i could never do that, i've got stuff to do! ❞
❝ i like dad rock. ❞
❝ if you’re having a party, i’m going to tell you what to do. ❞
❝ she looks far more normal than i expected. ❞
❝ i asked metaphorically, not physically. ❞
❝ i asked for some ___. we got about fifty. we only needed five. ❞
❝ there’s still time to save this american icon. ❞
❝ there were two [job title]s in there, who were like, super young and sexy men with really nice hair. ❞
❝ it’s read like it’s a documentary, not like ‘haha, and then he died!’ ❞
❝ i don’t want my lampshade looking at me! ❞
❝ give him something to do, he’ll be quiet, [name] and i can go to the shops and talk about where our marriage went wrong. ❞
❝ you don’t need to look at the front. usually, you’re behind ____. if he’s got a nice arse, that’s all that matters. ❞
❝ what’s your favourite cereal? ❞
❝ i’m just saying---sometimes local shops are shit. ❞
❝ i don’t think if you know this, [name]---i think you do, because you told me. ❞
❝ you take kids to a mcdonald’s, they’ll play at mcdonald’s. ❞
❝ you exist and then you don’t. ❞
❝ [name] is going through some financial issues, by which i mean, it’s fucked. ❞
❝ that’s a bit morbid. ❞
❝ i was thinking about ____ earlier. yeah, it crosses my mind at least like once an hour. ❞
❝ i had a great day, we went outside for lunch, i got gelato, it was great! ❞
❝ the tabloids loved the story. ❞
❝ you have to be really confused. ❞
❝ i really wanted to include h. h. holmes in this list because he’s my favourite murderer. ❞
❝ we’re not journalists, we’re just idiots on the internet. ❞
❝ it’s not the kind of name you gloss over. ❞
❝ ‘how did it get there?’ this is a /talking mongoose/ and you’re wondering how it got there? ❞
❝ is he a cat?! ❞
❝ i bought a replacement [name]. ❞
❝ i grew up in a village that didn’t even have a supermarket. ❞
❝ he was just---he was borderline abusive in my own house. ❞
❝ that’s gonna take you forever! ❞
❝ okay, well, i’m uncomfortable, what are we doing? ❞
❝ we’re not like... ‘i think i can make a joke about fighting your mother while playing a game’. we don’t know that well. ❞
❝ he’s like a genie, we only get one wish per day. ❞
❝ you take a drink and then you’re like ‘i don’t wanna drink too loud’ so you end up taking a tiny amount but then you don’t want to swallow too loud so you sort of inhale it a little bit and you’re like ‘i can’t cough, i can’t cough’... ❞
❝ now, [name] just heard that i wanted the attention and instantly decided he needed it instead. ❞
❝ we’re in dire need of new shelves. that money is going straight to shelves. ❞
❝ i never played ____. i kinda missed that train. ❞
❝ i could do the face for free. ❞
❝ it’s immediately feeling very warm in here. ❞
❝ presumably, this guy owns a lot of toys, so num noms is a thing. ❞
❝ i think that’s just a [region/state] thing. ❞
❝ let’s play a game called ‘how many people did they murder?’ ❞
❝ who is getting out of this room alive? ❞
❝ it’s like that song about the grandfather clock. ‘and it stopped, short, never to go again, when the ooold maaan died’. ❞
❝ [in the tune of new york] you’ll get punched in yoouur face. ❞
❝ don’t---don’t entertain his odd nonsense! ❞
❝ i don’t like people! i want my own space! ❞
❝ that’s something i always found really fascinating, like just wanting the username ‘batman’. how early would you have to be just to be ‘batman’? ❞
❝ you can’t complain about something disappearing if you’ve not been using it. ❞
❝ oh yeah, i always go to the dentist and get my brows done. ❞
❝ i loved [old place], and [this place] is also very lovely, it’s just a lot more expensive. ❞
❝ it’s a shame. just a couple of months longer and you would’ve had some employee rights. ❞
❝ there is a very good balloon elmo in this picture. ❞
❝ so, with all of this, what do you think the result is of this kind of upbringing and toxic relationship with your mother? ❞
❝ yeah, think about that. maybe we don’t like you. ❞
❝ they're’s so comfortable, i could almost fall asleep. ❞
❝ could you take this bottle of water, pour it in the sink, fill it again, and bring back to me? ❞
❝ it’s a sex number, i like it. ❞
❝ so what did the police do?---return him to [person]. ❞
❝ i wish /my/ mum thought i was funny. ❞
❝ okay, that’s gonna be interesting, having someone with a blade on my throat. ❞
❝ they can fire me if they want! they can fire me! ❞
❝ i don’t know why i said ‘basically’ like i’m about to explain how the internet works. ❞
❝ before, i had---there’s a shame element, isn’t it? you don’t want to do it because you’re afraid of judgement. ❞
❝ at one point, he had me squatting barefoot in my own bath. ❞
❝ eventually, we’re just gonna have to buy a storage locker for all this stuff. ❞
❝ i’ve got quite a sizeable list, i won’t talk about all of them. ❞
❝ how did we become the internet goblins we are today? ❞
❝ are you allergic to a.i.? ❞
❝ at least this is something you’re self-aware. if it was something other people had picked up on... ❞
❝ we have yellow and black, kind of a barry b. benson inspired look. ❞
❝ i was very disappointed at like eight when i found out they weren’t called ‘the food fighters’. ❞
❝ oh yeah, kicking hitler and shooting nazis is a lot of fun. ❞
❝ i’d love to throw a bop it extreme at hitler’s face, is what i’m saying, and i could do it from a long distance away. ❞
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Episode 01 Transcript: The Soul Is Stored in the Balls
Episode 01
PAZ: Well, here we are. Here we are in Warriors land. Back again.
JULIAN: Welcome to Warrior Cats, the unnamed podcast.
PAZ: The unnamed podcast. That's true. We don't have a name.
LIZ: Maybe we should have thought about that, but.
PAZ: That-- that'll come later. That's something you have to ruminate on. But yes, this is our Warrior Cats reread podcast slash just read podcast.
And we are starting today with Into the Wild, which is the first book in all the series. There's like a bajillion books now, I don't even know half of them. But we read-- what was it? Up and through chapter four.
Yeah, so we're gonna talk about it. And we should do introductions. So I'm Paz. Who wants to go next?
JULIAN: Oh, I was waiting for more from your intro.
LIZ: Apparently.
PAZ: I didn't think this through.
JULIAN: Do you want to talk about your past experience with the Warriors books?
PAZ: Yeah, I wasn't sure if we wanted to, like, introduce ourselves and then-- but that might make more sense. Okay, so we all have differing levels of experience with this series.
I was a huge Warrior cats fan. As a kid, I role played it at recess, on the Neopets boards, on weird forums, whatever you name. But I actually have never read all of the first series because I started with the second series, the New Prophecy I think it's called. And then when I tried to go back and read the first series, I thought Firepaw was really boring. So then I didn't read all of it.
So I've read all of the New Prophecy and the Power of Three, I believe, and then multiple of like the special books, including the weird manga that exists. So that's my experience with it.
LIZ: I didn't know that. And I'm googling that right now.
PAZ: Oh, I can send pictures later. Don't worry about it.
JULIAN: The manga is incredible. It's a work of art.
PAZ: I physically own it.
JULIAN: I'm so glad.
LIZ: It's different than I thought it would.
JULIAN: No emo bangs.
LIZ: I've got questions about that. But we'll get to that.
JULIAN: Um, I'm Julian, I was also a huge Warrior Cats fan as a kid. But I mostly read the first series, and then A New Prophecy, and then I thought there was too much magic in A Power of Three and stopped reading them.
PAZ: Wow.
JULIAN: It just wasn't realistic. 11 year old me looked for strict realism in their cat reading material. Yeah, I did a lot of roleplay but strictly on one forum that was basically me and all of my friends from school, and then my friend's older sister and all of her friends from school. And it was a great little corner of the internet. We all lied about our ages, because none of us were 13. Shout out to Proboards.
LIZ: I'm Liz. I have never in my whole life until now even, even touched the surface of Warrior Cats. And it's amazing because it seems like it would be right in my wheelhouse. But when I was 13, or saying I was 13 and being less than 13, I was into-- I was a wolf girl.
PAZ: Wow.
LIZ: And a dragon girl. And most specifically an owl girl. I was into something adjacent to Warrior Cats, which is Guardians of Gahoole. Which is about owls. That's not what this podcast is about. But it's also you know got violence.
PAZ: And bird Nazis.
LIZ: It's anti bird Nazi, if that helps. I do not remember that much about it. I'm looking forward to delving into this other society of animals who are suffering.
PAZ: Okay Liz.
LIZ: Yeah.
PAZ: I have to ask, what was your impression of Warrior Cats, without like pre-reading any of it? What do you think goes on in it?
LIZ: I thought it would be about cats in like-- pretty much what happens. Like, different cats, different groups. And they do not like each other.
I thought there would be more magic than I encountered in the four chapters.
PAZ: Oh, just you wait.
LIZ: Yeah, based on what you guys have said, I think that will pop off.
JULIAN: Yeah, it uh. I did read some of the stuff that happens in later series and it really does pop off.
PAZ: Yeah, I'm really curious about the latest series now because you're right that like, the Power of Three, it really started getting kind of wild. Which I loved the Power of Three because of that. I was the opposite of you.
I don't know why I stopped reading. I don't know. I got busy with important teenager things, I guess.
Who knows?
JULIAN: It feels like there is a very much a sweet spot of like early teens.
PAZ: Yeah, for sure.
JULIAN: Or like slightly preteen to read them. And then you hit-- you get a little old and then you become embarrassed of your catsona and all of your OC cats.
PAZ: Which is, never be embarrassed of your Warrior Cats OCs. We're taking--
JULIAN: Right. Don't be embarrassed of the things you love.
PAZ: Yeah, we're taking a strong pro Warrior Cats OC, Warrior Cats with emo bangs stance here.
LIZ: I'm strongly in support of it, too. What's more pure than this? Like, yes cats. Yes hairstyles. Yes customisations. Don't know why I said that one so weird. Okay, since we're getting to that, I have a vital question. They do mostly just look like the cats we see in the real world, right? Just...
JULIAN: Yeah, the emo bangs are an addition. Those are not canon.
PAZ: The emo bangs are not canon. The big anime eyes, not canon. I mean, all the-- on the cover of Into the Wild, which is the first book, is Firepaw. And that's just a cat.
LIZ: Just an orange cat.
JULIAN: Yeah, just a little guy.
PAZ: They do just look like cats.
JULIAN: There was so much drama about what your cat could look like and whether they were allowed to have like, purple eyes or like, Siamese coat types.
PAZ: I did not encounter that at all. It was kind of lawless on Neopets.com.
LIZ: I would believe that, but also I think the answer should be a unanimous yes because why not? These are your cat OCs.
JULIAN: Exactly.
LIZ: You can do whatever you want. You can give them purple eyes. And you can give them, I don't know, wings. Wings are very popular within OCs in 2006.
PAZ: Yeah, absolutely the cat OCs had wings.
JULIAN: I think we should bring them back. More wings on OCS in 2021.
PAZ: Exactly.
JULIAN: Yeah, there was one person on the forum I was on who was very strict about, like, cat breeding and the kinds of coats that could conceivably show up in, like, cat populations in the wild.
PAZ: That's extremely funny.
JULIAN: It was a lot.
PAZ: Well, I'm glad we can settle that. I know that was a burning question for you, Liz. That I told you not to ask.
LIZ: Until we got here.
PAZ: Yes. But now you know, they're just cats.
LIZ: They are just cats, which means figurative-- well, not figuratively but possibly, there could be some that just look very silly, but also very fierce.
PAZ: Yes.
LIZ: I'm looking at this picture of the cast of cats from the manga I think. One of them does look like he has the cat pattern of having pants, which is one of my favorites.
PAZ: Yeah, I'll have to take and share some pictures from the manga because the art style is hilarious. But that's a different conversation.
JULIAN: Paz, you wanna take it--
PAZ: Yeah, we should delve into this. Do we want to go chapter by chapter? Should I just do all summaries at once? What do we want?
JULIAN: Um, I don't remember what happens in which chapter versus another chapter.
PAZ: Okay, then.
JULIAN: I took notes, but like, everything happens so much.
PAZ: Okay, I guess I'll just say... I mean, I'll just say them all, I guess.
LIZ: Yeah, they're pretty short.
PAZ: Okay. So, as with all Warrior Cats books, there is a prologue. And that opens on a very dramatic battle between ThunderClan and RiverClan, and Tigerclaw, who is a ThunderClan cat, tells Oakheart to like, get the hell out of there. Oakheart's a RiverClan. That's Thunder cat territory, blah, blah, blah, and they get ambushed. And then Redtail, who's another ThunderClan cat says, we need to retreat, and they do. And then we cut to Bluestar, who is the ThunderClan leader, talking to Spottedleaf, who is the medicine cat about how they need more warriors, because now they're fighting a bunch. And then Spottedleaf talks with the cats in cat heaven, which that's a thing. And there's a prophecy that fire alone can save our clan. And that's the prologue.
And then in chapter one, we leave the world of Warrior Cats to open on Rusty, who is a kittypet, having a dream about hunting a mouse. And he wakes up before he can catch it and thinks about how much it sucks to be a house cat and how shitty his food is. And then he goes out into the garden to contemplate this. And his friend Smudge comes out to talk to him. And they talk about how dangerous the woods are. And Rusty decides to go in and explore.
And while he's there, he gets attacked by a strange cat. And they have a fight. And that cat stops and he's like, hi, I'm Graypaw. And he does some exposition about the clan. And before Rusty can leave, Bluestar and Lionheart show up. And Bluestar's like, hey, you're cool and you can fight. Good job.
And then in chapter two, Rusty's like, well, I want to kill some mice. And Bluestar's like, No, this is our woods. You have like a bunch of food back home. Go away. And Rusty's like, Oh, I'm sorry. And Bluestar's like, actually, do you want to join ThunderClan?
And she explains that ThunderClan needs more warriors, which is why they would take in a kittypet. And then there's some weird dialogue about how Rusty can still be a warrior because he still has his balls. And they give Rusty a day to think on this offer and he heads back to his house.
And then in chapter three, he has that mouse dream again, except this time the Clan cats are in it. And he's all, like, oh, will I/won't I. And out in the garden, he has another conversation with his friend Smudge, and tells him about it, and ultimately decides he's gonna go join ThunderClan. And Smudge is like, no, don't go. But Rusty's like, no, I must. And they have a nice morning saying goodbye. And after his little goodbye tour, Rusty goes up and meets with Lionheart and goes back to the ThunderClan camp. And Bluestar calls a camp meeting. And she's like, hey, this cat is joining us. And everyone's like, ew, this is a kittypet.
And Rusty gets in a fight with Longtail to defend his honor. And there's a dramatic scene where his collar gets ripped off. And Bluestar officially declares him a Thunderclan cat apprentice and gives him the name Firepaw.
And then this apprentice cat runs back to camp injured and says that Redtail is dead. And then chapter four, our last chapter, everyone's like super upset by this news that Redtail died in battle with Riverclan. The apprentice cat says Redtail was killed by Oakheart, who was then killed by Tigerclaw, and Tigerclaw comes back with Redtail's body. Then there's some exposition about StarClan, which is where dead cats go.
Everyone goes to mourn Redtail, who was the clan deputy. Graypaw takes Firepaw on a little tour. And then later that night Bluestar announces that she's appointing a new deputy. And Firepaw notices that Tigerclaw looks very eager to hear the news, but it's actually Lionheart who is appointed the new deputy instead. Firepaw and Graypaw head to the apprentice den to sleep, where a cat named Sandpaw tells him he smells bad, which is extremely rude.
LIZ: He's a stinky boy.
PAZ: And Firepaw goes to sleep, and it ends thinking, he's like, Oh, I'm finally a member of ThunderClan. So that was our reading for this session.
JULIAN: I gotta say I did not expect there to be such-- I didn't expect, like, cats getting their balls stolen to be such a big plot point. I have like three separate notes that are just like, Rusty got his balls stole?
PAZ: Who was that? It was like Henry or something.
JULIAN: Henry, yeah.
PAZ: Ever since Henry went to the vet, he's stupid and lazy. It's because his balls are gone.
LIZ: They came at it right from the beginning. I wasn't expecting it so soon. And also, I guess from like, technically, from a children's novel, right, like, balls front and center.
PAZ: Yeah, I don't-- you didn't really need to address that, I don't think.
JULIAN: It's like the crux of the reason that Rusty becomes a warrior, his castration anxiety.
PAZ: Yeah, he's like, Oh, I don't want to go to the vet and get like the snip or whatever they call it. And everyone's like-- everyone's acting like if you get your balls cut off, you get brainwashed or something. They're like, you change.
LIZ: Yeah, it's treated with the same weight as like, a lobotomy. And also, it is not called the snip. It's called, with capital letters, The Cutting. So is this a question of like, bodily autonomy or biological essentialism? That is the question.
PAZ: I don't know.
JULIAN: The gender politics of this book are bizarre.
PAZ: Yeah, they really are quite bizarre. Very like, I don't know. Like they call all the female cats queens. All cats are queens. And all the male cats toms. But if you get your balls cut off, you aren't a tom anymore. Fuck you. So don't get your balls cut off.
JULIAN: Also Bluestar is a hashtag girl boss.
PAZ: Oh, fuck yeah. Is Bluestar a milf is, I think, a question that is on all our minds.
JULIAN: I would say yes.
LIZ: Is it on all our minds?
PAZ: Yes.
JULIAN: I mean, it is now.
LIZ: That's true.
PAZ: But yeah, anyway, the ball politics, very, very weird. I think--
LIZ: Excuse you, ballotics.
PAZ: The ballotics, yes. I also think like the weird politics around like, cat ownership are also very bizarre. It was like, house cats are miserable.
JULIAN: Right?
PAZ: And only wild cats are free.
JULIAN: It seems like the author is taking a very strong stance against trap neuter return programs for feral cats.
PAZ: Yeah, that kind of is what that all adds up to, huh?
LIZ: It's like, how much of this is just oh, I'm writing a fun fantasy thing about talking cats, and how much of it is like, cats should be free and in the wild. And also, we should never keep them indoors.
PAZ: But then there's also like, it's also a plot point that they're running out of prey, like they're having a food shortage.
LIZ: So I'm like, okay, what's your stance? That cats are a strain on the environment? Or that cats should not be kept as pets? Or is that just coincidental? Like, did the author not even think about it? Because that's also pretty common just fantasy, or just general story narrative. Oh, limited resources. Is that related to letting all these housecats be strays and not doing anything about it? I don't know.
PAZ: I don't know.
JULIAN: Well, and it seems like all of the people in this neighborhood just let their cats outside, which I guess was more common in 2003, but.
PAZ: Did you say there was debate of like whether this took place in England or America? Because I know, I think in the UK, people let their cats out even more, so.
LIZ: Oh, I can't imagine these cats as British. That's too much.
PAZ: No?
LIZ: I don't want to. I can see like the animated movie of this where one of the cats just opens its mouth, and it just sounds like the most upper class rich person cat in the world. Pretty much exactly like the Guardians of Gahoole movie, actually.
JULIAN: I think these cats have like Cockney accents. These are like rough and scrappy cats. These are not like RP cats.
PAZ: Yeah, I have to agree with that. It's the kittypets that would be all proper. Maybe when you get your balls cut off, you get an upperclass accent.
LIZ: Oh no. That's the worst.
JULIAN: Oh no.
PAZ: I don't know, it's so weird.
LIZ: Powerful ballitical steps.
JULIAN: They also, the way they talk about like cat food is just the most unappetizing, like viscerally unpleasant. They're "stale little pellets." And it's like, well, damn.
PAZ: Yeah, that's what I mean.
JULIAN: My cat does not seem that unhappy to eat them.
LIZ: Doesn't Kip like-- that is, by the way, Paz's amazing celebrity cat. Doesn't Kip just like prefer that?
PAZ: Yeah. Kip likes dry cat food because he likes to crunch things. I mean, he also does hunt and kill mice. But I don't know. He's perfectly happy to eat dry cat food too.
LIZ: Yeah, that was like, that part was like, when I'm like, what are these politics about cat ownership? Cause you're really making being a house cat seem like a prison or something.
JULIAN: Do the Twolegs know that their cats are sentient?
PAZ: I don't know. I don't remember how humans are handled really in this series. Like if they--
JULIAN: I think it comes up slightly-- like a little bit later in one of the books, in like book five or something. But I don't think like. I don't remember if cats are shown as being able to understand human speech. Because they can definitely understand dog speech.
PAZ: Oh, my God, they can.
JULIAN: That will come up.
PAZ: Oh my god, I don't remember that.
LIZ: Wait, fuck. Do they meet dogs? What are the dogs like?
PAZ: Oh, I was just gonna say so they can understand dog speech. But can they not understand like, mouse speech? Are mice like, nonsentient? Are there like levels of sentience in this world?
JULIAN: Yeah, there's a lot of unsolved philosophical questions about sentience and autonomy in these books.
PAZ: And that's what we're here to answer.
JULIAN: Like, this isn't a Redwall situation where all of the animals are sentient.
PAZ: No.
JULIAN: This is like a like-- because it doesn't seem like mice are. They just squeak.
LIZ: It's hierarchical. Like, is there a possible future in which the Warrior Cats will like establish themselves as a quote unquote "civilization" enough that they like establish agriculture and livestock? Are there going to be cats keeping like little cages and fields with mice domesticated? And will those mice eventually gain their own society?
JULIAN: Oh shit.
LIZ: Which the cats can't understand.
PAZ: So is domestication the route to sentience here? Is that what we're saying?
LIZ: I don't know.
JULIAN: When will the cats invent capitalism?
PAZ: Okay, that's another point like, I gotta say.
JULIAN: Because they already have a scarcity based economy. Why don't they just trade prey?
PAZ: But I also do like that, you know, they have like, universal health care. And then they, you know, all cats in the Clan are taken care of, and the old cats get food too. I'm like, damn, these cats have a better system going on than I got.
LIZ: I wish that was me.
JULIAN: My main question about the elders is, I love that they are taken care of and valued for their wisdom. Do they get like new names when they become elders? Because I hope that Halfear's name was not always Halfear.
PAZ: Yeah, some of the names are very, like, very specific. I don't think they do. I don't know. Maybe you can change your name.
LIZ: I mean, Rusty got to change his name pretty easily.
PAZ: Yeah.
JULIAN: That's true.
LIZ: I mean, I guess--
JULIAN: Oh sorry, it was Halftail.
PAZ: What if Halftail used to be like Longtail or whatever, and then?
LIZ: Aw.
PAZ: Or maybe like, maybe that was a situation where it was a cat born with like a short tail. Who can say?
JULIAN: That's true.
LIZ: I love those. Those are great.
Yeah, I can see as like, this is just a cultural thing where like you get to a certain age, you can change it if you want, based on how you feeling. But also, I think, I guess like the real or meta answer is, this is a kid's book. And if you have a little grandma cat, you're gonna call that cat, like, Wrinkletail.
PAZ: Do you know the naming scheme setup in Warrior Cats, though, Liz?
LIZ: It like seems to be thing, cat-related word, sometimes.
PAZ: So it's like, the kittens are like, __kit. I think, correct me if I'm wrong.
JULIAN: Mm-hmm.
PAZ: And then the apprentices are like, __paw, like Firepaw. And then once they graduate into being warriors, they get like that second half of their name. I totally forget where that comes from and like who chooses it.
LIZ: Like a surname or?
PAZ: No, like, I think Graypaw becomes Graystripe, for example.
JULIAN: Yeah. And like, Sandpaw becomes Sandstorm.
PAZ: Yeah.
JULIAN: So it's like, it's really just a second half of the name that sounds cool. I think Bluestar gives them, because we see that happen in this--
PAZ: Do we?
JULIAN: In the end of chapter four, right? Doesn't someone become a warrior and then takes an apprentice?
PAZ: Oh, I thought somebody was already a warrior. And it's like, Here's your first apprentice.
JULIAN: I may be misremembering this.
PAZ: I mean, that's probably right though, cuz she gives him the name Firepaw, so. I don't know.
LIZ: So I guess it is like cultural then, at least as a coming of age thing, which is, you know, that works for plenty of human people in the real world. It also makes sense why all the teens are called __paw so I couldn't tell them apart.
PAZ: Yeah, and then the leader of the clan is always like __star. So like Bluestar.
JULIAN: The naming conventions did make it very, very confusing. I was briefly a tag wrangler, for the AO3 Warrior Cats fandom.
PAZ: Oh no.
LIZ: Oh my god.
JULIAN: Which is 50% actual Warrior Cats fanfic and 50% people uploading RP logs. So not only did I have to make sure that I was tracing canon characters, like through their life cycle, and there are a lot of canon characters who end up sharing the same prefix, which makes that hard. Thank you to the Warrior Cats wiki, which is exhaustive. But then I also had to make sure that it wasn't like an RP OC that just happened to share the same name as a canon character.
PAZ: Yeah, that sounds like a nightmare.
JULIAN: It was kind of fun, but also hellish.
PAZ: Yeah. I mean, like I'm not even like-- because in these like four chapters we got, we already have the main characters with like two different names. They'll just keep coming.
JULIAN: That's why the front of the book has that like cast of characters.
PAZ: They do, yeah.
JULIAN: Which is very helpful. Thank you. All books should have that.
LIZ: Yeah, the fucking dramatis personae for Warrior Cats.
PAZ: They also have like great maps. I loved the maps on the front of the book as a kid.
JULIAN: Oh, the maps were really nice.
LIZ: Um, yeah, I have the ebook on like Libby, and I think the chapter beginnings have like, little illustrations, just like black and white ones.
PAZ: Yeah, they do.
LIZ: They're nice.
JULIAN: Yeah, they're really nice. I don't think there were ever any, like full page illustrations, but.
PAZ: No, not that I remember.
LIZ: There should be like, a deluxe anniversary, whatever edition, and it should just have full page, like, meticulously inked illustrations for like, big battles and dramatic moments. Just woodblocks.
JULIAN: There were Special Edition books, like the big-- that were sort of standalone stories. And those were always-- I don't think they had like big illustrations, but they were always bound really nicely. They were like gold.
PAZ: Yeah. That's where fucking SkyClan, whoever the fuck they are introduced. I think in that, I don't know, like Firestar's Journey one, which I do have. It has the cool gold cover that's reflective.
JULIAN: I always wanted my parents to buy them for me, but they would only buy me the main ones because the special editions were very expensive and we could get them from the library.
PAZ: Oh no.
LIZ: Now did you guys ever get them at like book fairs or those little Scholastic Book order things? Cause that's how I got my owl books, basically.
PAZ: Yeah, probably. That's where I got a lot of my books like in general.
JULIAN: Yeah, I think they were mostly Barnes and Noble. Because I would always get-- various people would give me Barnes and Noble gift cards as a child.
LIZ: Oh, yeah, same.
JULIAN: So we would go to the Barnes and Noble and I would pick out either my Warrior Cats or my manga.
LIZ: Those things should be next to each other. The crossover is--
JULIAN: Oh, they were.
PAZ: I mean, there's a Warrior Cats manga. It's just the best of both worlds.
LIZ: That's how you make the gradient. Manga, Warrior Cats manga in the middle, and then Warrior Cats just straight up on the next side.
JULIAN: They knew what they were about.
LIZ: Also I guess, like, what forms are you guys reading them in now? Since that's what we're talking about.
PAZ: Um, you mean like what we're reading the first book on?
LIZ: Yeah.
PAZ: I am reading my paper copy that I have from when I was a child that apparently only cost $3 when I bought it.
LIZ: Oh my god.
JULIAN: Oh my god.
PAZ: And it's extremely old and crinkly.
LIZ: Books haven't been $3, like paper books, in so long.
PAZ: I know. This book is a relic.
LIZ: Wow.
JULIAN: Yeah, I'm just reading on the ebook. which I got from the library. But I might try the audiobook. I'm very curious to see how the audiobook narrator handles the fight scenes.
LIZ: That sounds actually wonderful.
JULIAN: Also I want to know if they do voices.
PAZ: Please. Can we talk about the dialogue tags of like, purred and meowed? Because it kills me every time.
JULIAN: It has such said as dead disease.
PAZ: I know it really does. But also like, purred, like, I don't-- it always like, it's like a seductive word.
JULIAN: I know.
PAZ: I'm like, please stop using that. This is a weird connotation.
JULIAN: I guess the thing is that like, cats can't technically talk.
LIZ: They can say, though.
JULIAN: So you can't use...
PAZ: Well, they're talking in this book, so. Just vague to say so.
JULIAN: It's a lot of like, so-and-so meowed. This person like, echoed, whispered.
PAZ: Purred.
LIZ: Yelled. Lots of yelled.
JULIAN: Yeah. These books are violent also. I did not remember.
PAZ: Oh yeah, they are.
LIZ: Oh yeah.
PAZ: Yeah, someone is brutally killed in like the first four chapters by this very, I mean, we got this like political intrigue kind of going on.
JULIAN: Yeah, there's a lot of border anxiety.
LIZ: This, this has, like, this is a-- this is not a-- mm, conspiracy? I don't know. But like, this is a murder mystery. Right? This follows the structure of so many. Like the newcomer with fresh eyes comes into this reclusive group and discovers the secret murder within its mists. And it's got political motivations. And it's very interesting.
JULIAN: Hold on to that.
PAZ: I mean, I think one character is very clearly evil-coded. Immediately. But it is a child's novel, so.
LIZ: It's a child's novel, but also there's just like grisly murder in this.
PAZ: Oh, yeah.
LIZ: There's lots of bleeding. So what, I'm interested to see what are the lines of like, what's allowed and what's not based on what the author is thinking?
PAZ: Yeah, I feel like eventually, like characters also die in childbirth. I might be misremembering, but like.
JULIAN: No, there's definitely stuff in childbirth.
PAZ: Bad shit happens to-- yeah.
JULIAN: Yeah, it's like, I feel like it's kind of glossed over. Like we don't see anybody's like entrails but like, pretty much up to that point, everything is out there.
PAZ: Yeah.
JULIAN: I think at one point like, a cat gets injured and like the bone is described. Like it's, they go for it. Which is why 50% of the fics on AO3 had the graphic depiction of violence tag. Which is the highest ratio I have ever seen.
LIZ: And to be fair, I think that's a common thing within this genre of like, extremely violent animal conflict society books for kids. Cause the fucking owl books were like, we've got stabbing, swords.
PAZ: Those were brutal.
LIZ: We've got claws on our claws, extra claws.
JULIAN: I forgot the owls had like swords.
PAZ: Yeah.
LIZ: They didn't. I think they did. They also had like special gauntlets full of live coals for their feats to use as weapons.
PAZ: And I know one-- there was attempted, like siblings. Siblicide in the owl books. You know?
LIZ: From the first chapter, yeah.
PAZ: Kids eat this up.
LIZ: I remember those clearly. Yeah, I think this is the same with like-- probably whatever talking wolf book is out there, it's going to be just the same.
PAZ: Is there a wolf book?
LIZ: There have to be multiple ones. I know that the owl books have like a wolf book subseries.
PAZ: Of course.
LIZ: I've been told that there's like one series about bats that is also extremely like this.
PAZ: Oh, I read that one. I loved that one. That one was also real fucked up.
LIZ: Yeah, this is the bread and butter for kids.
JULIAN: Kids love violence is the thing. It's like, my brother is 10 and like, just finished reading all the Warrior Cats books.
LIZ: Wow, magical times.
JULIAN: I know. So all of my old Warrior Cats books are at home and in use. But like, kids are violent.
LIZ: Yeah.
PAZ: Yep.
JULIAN: They eat that up.
PAZ: They do. Yeah, I'm like, Warrior Cats is so much fighting. That's like, if it's not like clan politics, or like interpersonal drama, then it's like the fight scenes. Those are the three things Warrior Cats does.
JULIAN: And like, in their defense, the fight scenes are like, they're interesting to read. You know? I feel like they're fairly well choreographed and stuff. I cannot believe that I came out of reading Warrior Cats-- growing up on Warrior Cats being completely unable to write any fights, but. There it is.
PAZ: Well, you probably weren't writing--
JULIAN: Maybe I just need to write more cats.
PAZ: Yeah. Yeah, they are cats. So that does change the fight dynamic a little bit.
LIZ: You've got to work up from cats. It's like do cats, and then do cat boys. And then you know, whatever comes after that. I have no idea.
PAZ: Uh huh.
JULIAN: I mean, I think what comes after cat boys is just boys.
LIZ: Hmm. Interesting. Never thought of that one.
PAZ: But yeah, I mean, so obviously Tigerclaw is evil.
LIZ: Yeah, there's like at the end, when the other cat gets like the position that he wants. Like, it's described as like, he nudged him so hard that he almost bowled him over. And that's the clear evilness of again, completely regular looking cats.
PAZ: I feel like he gets fucked up looking later, but I can't remember.
JULIAN: I think he might be a little fucked up looking already. He has like some scars.
LIZ: All cats are beautiful.
JULIAN: But all of the cats. All of the cats are a little fucked up looking because they've been in the wild.
PAZ: Also, I like legit can't remember, because like I said, I only read the first two books of this series. But do you think he probably murdered that other cat? That's what I'm assuming at this point, anyway, so.
LIZ: Yeah. 100%.
PAZ: Great. Great start
LIZ: Yeah, cuz the apprentice that got injured and like came back-- I don't remember the name because again, they're all teens with the same thing to me. But like, he asked like, oh, is Tigerclaw gone, or? And then like gets all quiet when he's around. Which is probably very subtle for the children. And yeah, I thought that was like good framing given like the medium and stuff.
PAZ: No, no, I think it's a good start to like, this book. But like I said, I thought Firepaw was really boring as a child. And I gotta say, he's still not impressing me.
LIZ: Yeah, he's very much just like protagonist boy.
JULIAN: Yeah, he has JRPG like protagonist syndrome.
PAZ: Like I know in the New Prophecy, I loved all those characters so much.
JULIAN: Yeah.
PAZ: And then going from that to Firepaw, I'm like, wow, you're like white bread.
JULIAN: At least he's better than Graypaw, who's literal-- who's just exposition boy.
JULIAN: exposition boy.
PAZ: Oh my god. I know. I think I must have said he did exposition at least three times in my summary. But like that is literally all he did.
LIZ: Yeah, he's really--
JULIAN: That's all he does.
LIZ: He's your best friend. And when you click on him, he just tells you the lore.
PAZ: Yeah, he has those like dialogue trees you can just go through for like 20 minutes and just learn all about your new RPG world.
LIZ: Which is in the forest with a bunch of cats.
JULIAN: There you go.
I forgot how tsundere Sandpaw was.
PAZ: I don't remember. I don't remember who Firepaw ends up with? I'm assuming maybe-- I don't-- Sandpaw? I don't know. I don't remember.
LIZ: It feels like it's setting it up really early in the like, typical way.
PAZ: Well, it's good that he still has his balls.
LIZ: He sure does. Hey, when we were talking about like, all the violence before, and you know what, what's so graphic that can be included in a children's novel? Again, the balls just immediately.
JULIAN: They also talk about like, pooping very early.
PAZ: Oh, yeah. Their dirt.
JULIAN: He's described as like making dirt. Which is just like, all right. Thanks, Erin Hunter.
PAZ: Yeah, the what it decides to be realistic on is very funny.
JULIAN: Like, what do cats do? They eat, they fight, they shit, they sleep. They have intense interpersonal and like interclan drama.
PAZ: They have religion.
JULIAN: What else is there?
LIZ: Do they have literature? Or philosophy?
JULIAN: No. Uh...
LIZ: Because...
JULIAN: I mean I feel like their philosophy is-- or like religion and philosophy are sort of, you know.
PAZ: Yeah.
LIZ: I can see the-- I mean, they do have like a strong oral tradition. So I...
PAZ: Absolutely. Yeah.
JULIAN: I think there was some discussion at some point of like, sagas or something, maybe. I might be making that up.
PAZ: No, that sounds right. I don't know.
LIZ: Sounds like it would fit in perfectly.
JULIAN: Right. They can't sing.
LIZ: Especially since they have-- yeah, they have like the lore thing about the afterlife or whatever. So that has to be--
PAZ: StarClan.
LIZ: Yeah, there has to be passed down somehow.
JULIAN: Yep.
PAZ: Yeah, the medicine cats are like the-- they're like doctors slash religious people. I don't know, like your oracles.
LIZ: The medicine stuff is very interesting, because I'm wondering how much of it is just going to be like, just nature-y items that sound cool, like spider webs, versus how much of this is like even the slightest bit medical sounding. Like are they going to use, I don't know, something for poison ivy, or like herbs. Because they're cats
JULIAN: They use a lot of herbs.
PAZ: Yeah.
LIZ: Okay, that's cool.
JULIAN: At one point I did like a full before the little-- they issued like a little guide to the clans book that had a list of all of the herbs they used, which was released several months after I finished my exhaustive list of all of the herbs used in all of the books, which I was going to post on the forums.
PAZ: Oh no.
JULIAN: Tragedy. But most of the herbs, I think, if I remember correctly, like they mostly-- the uses like checked out for humans. Like even spider webs are like dirty, but apparently do have like some coagulant properties. Like I wouldn't use them, but.
LIZ: As a cat you would use them. Yeah, that's really interesting.
PAZ: I loved the medicine cats and I loved all the medicine cat characters like as a child. I don't know.
JULIAN: They're very good characters.
PAZ: I just consistently liked those characters.
LIZ: Well, yeah, you can have like the grumpy doctor character who has the bad bedside manner. And you can have the one who's like, you know, a religious figure because the religion's already tied into this, apparently.
PAZ: That's like Jayfeather.
LIZ: Yeah? So like--
PAZ: Yeah, you get like literal like blind oracles.
LIZ: Hold on, Jay-feather, like J dash feather, like his SoundCloud name?
PAZ: Yeah, that's what happens in that series.
LIZ: So do these cats also have like, catnip?
JULIAN: Ooh.
PAZ: I don't know. I don't know if they get cat weed.
LIZ: They should have cat weed.
JULIAN: I'm trying to remember.
PAZ: I feel like they might.
JULIAN: Hold up, we can find out.
PAZ: Yes.
JULIAN: Let me go to the wiki.
PAZ: Yes, please, please, please.
LIZ: Because if we're talking about cat herbs, we have to talk about the cat herb.
JULIAN: The Warriors wiki is exhaustively researched. It has 4250 pages.
PAZ: Holy shit.
LIZ: I truly wish we had that for like, Friends at the Table. Friends at the Table wiki is good, but a lot of it is-- the show is long. Would love to have some pages filled out some more.
JULIAN: All right, pulling up the list. There is a full list of all the medicine used. Catnip.
PAZ: Yes.
LIZ: Fuck yes.
JULIAN: Mostly found in Twoleg gardens. Can specifically be found at the Twoleg place near ThunderClan's forest territory.
PAZ: Why does ThunderClan get all the dank herb?
JULIAN: It's the best remedy for the-- [laughter] it's the best remedy for the deadly greencough, which cats can catch in the season of Leafbare. Can also be used for whitecough. Can be considered dangerous in extremely high dosages, so don't go nuts.
LIZ: Yeah.
JULIAN: Yeah, they do not describe anything about them getting high off of it.
PAZ: Cowards.
LIZ: You can talk about balls but you can't talk about weed.
JULIAN: You have to give the weed to the kits though if they get sick.
PAZ: Listen, if I was the other clans, I'd be going into ThunderClan territory to get all that catnip, frankly.
LIZ: They should, if they can't, if they're not going to do agriculture, which is fine, they could be trading. Like oh, here's some locally sourced, seasonal, gathered cat weed. And we will trade it to you for some fish.
JULIAN: Right?
PAZ: I feel like maybe they do trade and at some point. I mean, like they haven't--
JULIAN: Maybe.
PAZ: Like this hasn't come up yet, but they do have like big cat conferences together. And they're like, what's the news?
LIZ: Cat con.
PAZ: Yeah, cat con.
JULIAN: Okay, one thing that I did discover on the wiki that I do love is that all of the footnotes for all of these things say "revealed in" and then the name of the book and the page.
PAZ: These books are actually prophetic texts gifted to us by Erin Hunter, who knows the truth.
JULIAN: Thanks Erin Hunter, all eight of her.
LIZ: I don't know. How close of an eye are you keeping on your cats? How do you know they're not gonna be warriors?
PAZ: Cause they got their balls cut off. They can't be.
JULIAN: Yeah, that's true. Chickpea can never be a warrior.
LIZ: Okay, since we're talking about this is that-- at no point, do they never meet like a neutered cat who's just like cool and fine?
PAZ: They definitely meet other like quote unquote "kittypets." But I think a lot of them were like cool barn cats so they probably do still have their balls. I don't know.
LIZ: I don't know. I've met your cats. They seem like pretty rowdy when they want to be.
PAZ: Kip catches and kills mice quite frequently.
LIZ: You don't need your balls to kill mice.
PAZ: The discrimination in this society based purely on balls is very-- that's a lot.
LIZ: There is a deez nuts joke somewhere in here. But I don't know what it is.
JULIAN: Yeah, unfortunately there is no wiki page for the Cutter. So I don't know if it becomes as important a plot point later.
LIZ: Wait, is the mortal enemy of all cats just one vet, like in the neighborhood?
PAZ: Oh my god.
LIZ: Cause these are fairly local clans. Is the enemy just like one vet? His name is just like--
PAZ: The picture.
JULIAN: Wait.
PAZ: So Julian linked this page. And the thumbnail is just a woman giving a thumbs up like.
JULIAN: Hold up, let me show you the page for-- let me show you the page for dog.
PAZ: Oh, please.
[cackling]
JULIAN: It's someone's like little like greyhound or whippet sitting in a dog bed next to the first Warriors book. Like this is clearly one of the wiki editors' actual real dog.
PAZ: Okay wait.
LIZ: This wiki is art.
PAZ: Henry the cat who got his balls cut off does have a page.
JULIAN: I looked to see if there was anything specifically about the Cutter, but it's just like Henry got his balls caught off and then he sucked.
PAZ: Yeah.
LIZ: Wouldn't it be amazing if like Henry came back at the end of this series, and he was like, really cool and, and could, I don't know, get them cat weed or something?
PAZ: I'm sure someone wrote that. I don't know.
JULIAN: Stoner Henry.
PAZ: He's living apparently.
LIZ: Good for him.
PAZ: See? Good for him.
LIZ: He's having a wonderful life. He doesn't have to worry about like ticks or coyotes.
PAZ: Oh, oh--
JULIAN: He'll never get heartworms.
PAZ: Okay, I went to the kittypet page. Here's another mention of the Cutter. "I know all about being a kittypet and it's not as easy as you think. You only eat when the Twolegs give you food. You only go in and out when the Twoleg says you can. Is that what you really want? And then there's the Cutter." Macgyver. Macgyver says this.
LIZ: It's just the one vet who runs like the clinic. It's just like, Dr. Somebody.
PAZ: I need to stop clicking on this wiki.
JULIAN: It will really drag you down into a hole. I unfortunately have looked it up. There are only two works about Henry the kittypet.
PAZ: No.
JULIAN: On the entirety of AO3.
PAZ: Wow.
LIZ: Tragic.
PAZ: Hold on, there's like a new kittypet slur just dropped. They're known as everkits.
LIZ: This is so weird.
JULIAN: Jesus.
LIZ: Why would you need to expand on this?
JULIAN: Yeah, and in both of these fics, Henry doesn't get any character development.
PAZ: Oh my god.
LIZ: No.
PAZ: No. We're putting out a call, please.
JULIAN: Justice for Henry.
LIZ: Justice for Henry, who was apparently just like a big nice cat. If we met I'd be a friend.
JULIAN: Just a sweet guy. Just a pal.
LIZ: He's a little sleepy. So what? He's old. Do old cats that--
PAZ: Oh my god. Holy shit.
LIZ: --don't have their balls cut off not get sleepy? Yeah?
PAZ: Kittypets go nowhere when they die.
JULIAN: What the fuck?
PAZ: Although they may still appear as spirits and potentially be visited.
LIZ: What the fuck? So the biological essentialism extends into the afterlife.
PAZ: The soul is stored in the balls.
LIZ: That's an episode title, thank you.
JULIAN: Yeah, there we go. You're telling me that if you get your balls stole, you can't go to heaven?
LIZ: Oh my god, Henry's gonna go to cat hell.
JULIAN: Oh, no, he won't go to hell because that also exists.
PAZ: Oh my, I don't remember that.
LIZ: So cat purgatory?
PAZ: No, they just go nowhere.
LIZ: Cat limbo?
JULIAN: Paz, it's the Place of No Stars.
PAZ: Oh, okay. I remember that name.
LIZ: Oh my god.
JULIAN: Yeah.
LIZ: That's so sad.
PAZ: Oh my-- this is just like the bad like racism allegory in Harry Potter.
LIZ: Wait, wait. Also, since like getting your balls cut off-- I couldn't remember the actual name that we, you know, humans call it.
JULIAN: Neutering.
LIZ: Right, neutering. Neutering for cats is not like a choice that a cat consciously makes. So within the logic of the story, even though they are, to the other cats, victims, they can't go to cat heaven.
PAZ: I mean, I guess that's-- I don't know. I could be wrong about this in Christianity, but like don't you have to get bap-- don't you have to actively get baptized and not go to hell? It's like that. It's like it's your fault if you got your balls cut off.
JULIAN: Yeah, I mean, if you--
PAZ: Should have been more proactive.
JULIAN: If you don't get baptized, you do go to limbo.
PAZ: Yeah.
JULIAN: But you can I think maybe work your way up to heaven? I should be clearer on this.
PAZ: Well.
LIZ: I'm the farthest removed person from this. I don't know.
PAZ: Well, no such grace for cats who got their balls cut off.
LIZ: Henry.
JULIAN: It also kind of makes sense because like Starclan is not-- Starclan is like very culturally specific. It's like these cats' ancestors. So like the kittypets probably wouldn't want to hang out with them. They would probably be racist towards.
LIZ: Is there like bloodline purity bullshitt in this?
PAZ: Yeah, I just copy pasted something. Many Clanborn cats do not trust cats with kittypet blood. There's also like a lot of drama about like interclan relationships.
JULIAN: Oh God, the interclan relationships are so much. Yeah.
LIZ: Wait, before we get into that, I want to draw our attention to one of these names that you've copy pasted, which is Berrynose, which is a perfect name.
PAZ: I love that.
LIZ: That's very cute.
JULIAN: It's a very cute name.
LIZ: Yeah. Henry is a great name for cat. I love cats that they're just like...
PAZ: That's just a guy.
LIZ: Yeah, that's just a guy.
JULIAN: It's like Oliver. Just a human name.
PAZ: That's just a man. I love Henry and I defend Henry to my dying breath.
JULIAN: I want to give Henry some pets.
PAZ: Yes.
JULIAN: I don't want to pet any of these feral cats. They'll take my hand off.
LIZ: No.
PAZ: No, no. What were we talking about-- oh, the interclan drama.
JULIAN: The interclan politics. Yeah, there's a lot of like, just you know, they have to enforce the borders because if another Clan comes and steals their prey, that'll be bad.
PAZ: Cat nationalism.
LIZ: No.
JULIAN: Yeah.
LIZ: No, I guess like real cats have like territory, but it's probably not--
PAZ: That's true.
LIZ: --quite so like bordered
PAZ: I'm not a like cat behavior expert. I don't know.
JULIAN: I am also not a cat behavior expert, but I don't think they're--
PAZ: They're not patrolling.
JULIAN: --having pitched battles every two months.
LIZ: No.
PAZ: No, no.
LIZ: Is there like clan intermarriage? What if two cats fall in love?
PAZ: It's always like a Romeo and Juliet situation.
LIZ: Exactly.
JULIAN: Mm-hmm. It's a scandal.
LIZ: Okay, also is there cat Hamlet in this? I feel like that would work very well.
PAZ: I feel like there is.
LIZ: I mean, the murder mystery--
JULIAN: There are ghosts.
PAZ: Yeah, there are ghosts.
LIZ: Who are of course the kitty cat-- kittypets because they got their balls. And they can't ascend to heaven or hell.
PAZ: No, I think all cats can be ghosts. I don't know.
JULIAN: There's also-- because like the medicine cats like sometimes see visions like, from specific cats who have died.
PAZ: They're like in StarClan, but they come back as ghosts.
JULIAN: They can come back and talk to you.
PAZ: A lot.
JULIAN: Yeah.
PAZ: A lot to take in, I know.
JULIAN: There's a lot to unpack here.
LIZ: Like, I can see how this is supposed to be its own, like, cat universe with its own like laws, culture, and so on. But also, it's very much like, this is probably a Christian person wrote it, right? I don't know anything about the author.
PAZ: Oh, we haven't mentioned this.
JULIAN: Oh, we gotta get into Erin Hunter.
PAZ: Erin Hunter is in fact, three people. I don't know if there's more people now.
LIZ: Oh my god. You told me this before but
JULIAN: I think Erin Hunter might rotate.
LIZ: Fucks me up every time.
PAZ: Yeah, I'm not sure like how they write it. Like if it's all collaborative, or if like one author does one book but.
JULIAN: Seven people.
LIZ: Oh my God.
PAZ: Oh, my God, I swear was only three people when I--
LIZ: This is just like Nancy Drew.
JULIAN: It started out as three people.
PAZ: That's insane.
LIZ: This could be--
JULIAN: Katie Carrie and Cherith Baldry took turns writing it. And Vicki Holmes used to coordinate, but I assume some of these other people have switched in. Oh, a lot of them are British. They are in fact all British, I think.
PAZ: So these cats do have Cockney accents.
JULIAN: Perfect.
PAZ: Good to know. The first Erin. I'm on the Who is Erin-- the Other Erins.
LIZ: It's like a collective pen name, right?
JULIAN: Yeah. Cause--
PAZ: Oh my god. The first Erin says, "I'm more of a dog person."
JULIAN: Excuse me?
LIZ: What the fuck.
PAZ: This is scandalous. Holy shit.
LIZ: This shakes the ground of the cat religion, I think.
PAZ: The second Erin has a very nice picture with her cat. So that's acceptable.
LIZ: That's a wonderful cat.
JULIAN: Yeah, the wiki has the list of all of the current and former Erins.
PAZ: This is so funny,
JULIAN: Seven people.
LIZ: Now that we're actually talking about these seven authors, and also because we talked about, I guess, the politics in Warrior Cats about the domestication of cats before.
PAZ: Uh huh.
LIZ: It's probably just a lot of, because this is a fantasy story about cats, we gotta spice it up and give them their own points of view, as cats probably, on being domesticated for a kids series maybe? Or also, it doesn't matter and we don't have to talk about it. I don't know. I'm just reeling from--
PAZ: I mean, I think I think it's very interesting to consider. I also think it's interesting that they're British, like I was saying, because I do think that in the UK it's like more common to have cats roam around outside like, even to this day.
JULIAN: I think so too.
PAZ: I could be wrong. Sorry, any British listeners?
LIZ: Are there coyotes in England or whatever?
PAZ: No, I think that's part of it is like there's less like predators who would like eat the cat. There's no coyotes.
LIZ: There's fucking coyotes here in good old California.
JULIAN: Yeah, I think it's just you-- the only things you really have to worry about are like cars and the occasional hawk.
PAZ: Yeah.
JULIAN: Do they fight a badger at some point or am I mixing up my Redwall?
PAZ: I definitely remember a badger, I swear.
LIZ: Badgers show up so much in these kinds of like books. There's definitely badgers in the owl books. I feel like there's probably badgers in Redwall, which was not my bag but, you know.
JULIAN: I definitely expected there to be more badgers like out in the world based on how much they figured into like this kind of book.
LIZ: Yeah. They're always like oh, it's the tough old badger who's like a blacksmith or makes armor or something.
PAZ: Badgers aren't sentient in this universe, though, so. Just so you know.
LIZ: Aw.
PAZ: Or maybe they are. I don't know.
LIZ: What is the sentience based on, or is it just like we can't speak their language?
PAZ: Who knows?
JULIAN: I mean also like they can understand dogs or like talk to dogs, but it's like very rudimentary. Like the dog speech that they hear is like, "pack, pack. Kill, kill." It is not like...
PAZ: Beautiful.
LIZ: Do you think the cats to the dogs sound just like, "meow. Fish. Sleepy. Sit on keyboard."
PAZ: Not these cats. These cats want blood.
LIZ: "Kill, maim."
PAZ: "Violence." Okay, well, is there-- do we have anything else to say about the reading so far?
JULIAN: I think we've mostly covered the points that I wanted to make sure we hit.
PAZ: Yeah. Yeah, I mean, what we already established Bluestar is girlboss so don't need to go into any of that anymore.
JULIAN: Yep.
PAZ: I am excited to keep reading because I really don't remember anything is what I will say.
JULIAN: Me too. Yeah.
LIZ: Me three.
JULIAN: I'm excited to continue to read these books and see how much weirder they get.
PAZ: Absolutely, because they do get weird.
LIZ: It's already pretty weird. So I'm excited for that.
PAZ: Liz, do we want to get you assigned a Clan?
JULIAN: Oh, Liz's quiz. Yes.
PAZ: I think we should use this random fanmade one.
LIZ: We don't want to take the official one?
PAZ: No, cause it has that-- it has SkyClan. Who the fuck are they? We don't care about SkyClan.
LIZ: Well, how do you know I'm gonna get SkyClan?
JULIAN: That's true. Liz might not get SkyClan.
LIZ: That's an assumption on your part.
PAZ: If you want to. I think this quiz is funnier
JULIAN: The fan quiz is really incredible.
LIZ: Do you want me to read any, or should I just take it in silence?
PAZ: I'll read and you pick your answers, how does that sound?
LIZ: Alright, you're gonna do the clicking then.
PAZ: Okay. Question one. "You're hunting. What do you catch? Nothing. Hunting? Fish. Mice, voles, etc. Rabbits, maybe a mouse or two. Frogs, mice, really anything I stumble across."
LIZ: I think fish because that sounds tasty to me.
PAZ: "Your friend is in love with a cat from another clan. You tell him if he doesn't stop seeing that cat you will tell the leader. Like I care. I wouldn't do anything, love is love. Tell the leader." That's just the same as the first one.
LIZ: Why are so many of these about being fucking snitches?
PAZ: It is a militarized state.
LIZ: What?
PAZ: Anyway, "talk to the cat your friend loves and convince them to stop seeing your friend. Keep the secret for your friend."
LIZ: Obviously, love is love between any cats.
PAZ: I see no difference. "Your friend is in love with you but you don't like him [laughs] you don't like him like that. What do you do? Stop being friends. Tell him you don't like him but try to stay friends. Flat out tell him you don't like them. Tell them that you already like someone but help them find the mate. Freak out and say you like them back even though you know you don't."
LIZ: No.
PAZ: "Try and change the subject."
LIZ: You know what, change the subject.
JULIAN: I picked freak out.
PAZ: "You have to choose between saving your kits, an elder, you friend, you friend, or the leader. Who do you choose? None of them, I don't need them. I would try to save them all. I would save my mate, I couldn't live without them. I would save my leader, the clan needs them. My friend, he's always been there for me. My kits, my mate would want the best for them."
LIZ: Is this the trolley problem?
PAZ: Well, no, you just have to pick one. Well, I guess everyone else gets killed. So yes.
LIZ: Hmm. Wasn't there one of the options all of them? Can I pick all of them?
PAZ: Yeah, "I would try to save them all." Okay.
LIZ: Yeah, I'm a very powerful cat.
PAZ: Okay, good to know. "You're face to face in battle with your sister who joined another clan. You leave the fight, I don't care anymore. Run away, I could never hurt anyone let alone my family. Scare her off, I don't want to hurt her but I'm loyal to my clan. Try to avoid her in battle, I don't want to fight my family." Some of these really just overlap, huh? Yeah.
"Try not to fight her but if she leaps, I won't hesitate."
LIZ: Is there one where it's just like, it's on sight?
PAZ: That's that one, "I won't hesitate."
LIZ: No, it says "try to avoid her" still. No. What if these fictional cats are having--
PAZ: The last one is "attack. She left the clan. It was her choice."
LIZ: I'm gonna say attack because I'm gonna say my fictional cat sister and I have a terrible dramatic relationship.
PAZ: Wow. Damn.
LIZ: Yep. We're going for tragedy here.
JULIAN: Incredible.
Unknown Speaker
"Clan or kin? Clan, kin, or myself."
LIZ: Um, well, it's not kin because I just said I would kill my sister on sight if she was a cat and I was a cat. Probably not my-- you know, I tried to save the entire cat clan before. It's gonna be myself. Some me time.
PAZ: Oh.
JULIAN: You're a--
PAZ: Did a little 180.
LIZ: Yeah, you don't know what to expect.
JULIAN: I was going to say we're going for found family here but no.
LIZ: No. Maybe I failed when I tried to save everyone and now I'm taking some time to reflect.
PAZ: This is a very tragic story arc. "Your leader makes you deputy. You you proudly stare at your clan. You try your best to be a good deputy. Freak out, refuse the offer. Smile at your clan as your mother's eyes gleam proud of you, that was all you cared about. Protect you clan with your heart."
LIZ: Mother's eyes, please.
PAZ: "Your mother's eyes gleam proud of you, that was all that you cared about?"
LIZ: Mm-hmm.
PAZ: That one? Okay. "Your friend from another clan is stealing your prey. You you ignore them, they're you friend. You take your prey back. You ask them why they're doing this and get your prey back. You scare them off not hurting them. You chase them off then report them to your leader."
LIZ: [gasps] No.
PAZ: "Attack them, just because we're friends doesn't mean I'll let him steal my prey.
LIZ: Wait, is that it? Is there no option to share?
PAZ: No, no sharing.
JULIAN: Uh, you could ignore them.
LIZ: I'll do--
JULIAN: That would share them.
LIZ: I'll ignore them.
JULIAN: That would be the closest you can get.
LIZ: I can't not-- I'm a fisher as we've established. I can just do it again.
PAZ: (muffled, laughing) This next question.
LIZ: Yeah?
JULIAN: Can I read it?
PAZ: Yes, please read it. Please read it.
JULIAN: "What cat is your mate? Voleheart, a brown tabby she cat with amber eyes, the sweetest cat you ever met. Scarpaw, a black tom with yellow eyes."
LIZ: No.
JULIAN: "A misunderstood cat."
LIZ: No, this is not my--
JULIAN: "Goldenmoon, a ginger she cat with light green eyes, the prettiest cat you ever seen. Barknose, a solid brown tom with blue eyes, you have knew him all your life. Rainpaw, a bluish gray she cat with dark blue eyes, a good fighter. I don't want a mate."
LIZ: Okay, I'm crossing off all of the toms because clearly this is a lesbian cat. I already forgot the names of the other ones. I'm gonna go--
JULIAN: You get sweet, pretty and good fighter.
LIZ: I will go with good fighter.
JULIAN: Are your choices. That's Rainpaw.
PAZ: Congrats.
LIZ: Yeah, we'll have a beautiful summer wedding full of fish.
PAZ: I want you to choose this next answer based solely off name. "What's your favorite cat out of these? Onestar? Tigerstar? Blackstar? Firestar? Stonefur? I can't choose."
LIZ: Seeing so many stars makes it feel kind of repetitive. I'm gonna go for Stonefur because that's two very conflicting textures.
PAZ: Okay. You like the intrigue?
LIZ: Yeah, the complexity, the figurative language implication.
PAZ: Let's see what what Clan you're in. RiverClan.
It's because I'm a fisher.
"You're a RiverClan cat. You most likely smart and witty."
LIZ: Most likely.
PAZ: Most likely. "You always keep your eye on the prize and won't take no for an answer. You like the summer and relaxing in the pool. You're very suspicious of new people and only trust someone you are close to."
LIZ: This is an interesting summary because I clearly did take no for an answer when my friend stole my fish and I didn't get to have it. And I guess it's fine with me. No, that's it. We've built the character.
PAZ: You could have been a kitty pet or a loner.
LIZ: Wow. Well, I won't be a loner because this cat got married, obviously.
PAZ: Yeah, congrats on your marriage.
LIZ: Thank you.
PAZ: Julian, did you take this quiz?
JULIAN: What did you get, Paz? Oh, I did. Don't worry.
PAZ: What's your result?
JULIAN: I got ShadowClan.
LIZ: Wow.
PAZ: Mysterious.
JULIAN: Yep, I'm "most likely funny and a mystery to most. I'm very secretive and blunt and I tend to hurt people without knowing. I know my rights and wrongs but my anger always gets me in trouble."
PAZ: Ooh, bad boy.
JULIAN: I was assigned evil at birth.
PAZ: I forgot to take this quiz before the show, but I took the official quiz and another quiz from HarperCollins and they both gave me SkyClan. But I don't really know anything about so um, that's great.
LIZ: Wait, you said they were exiles.
PAZ: They can jump really high apparently.
LIZ: Big jumper and exiled right?
PAZ: Yeah, exiled-- I know they lived in a gorge. I think I liked them in that book they were in a gorge but I don't know anything about them.
LIZ: You should take the one we took now and we can reveal it next time.
PAZ: Yeah, I'll report back.
JULIAN: Yes, perfect.
PAZ: Well, I think that wraps up this session everything we had to say. We got our clans assigned.
LIZ: Talked about the balls.
JULIAN: We talked about the balls. We talked about the politics.
PAZ: Yeah. And I'm very curious to see if both of those are reoccurring.
LIZ: Balls and politics?
PAZ: Yeah.
LIZ: Okay.
JULIAN: Ballotics.
PAZ: Yeah. Um, I didn't pick out what we're reading for next time but it'll probably be another chunk of chapters. Do we need like a cool sign off? I don't have a cool sign off.
LIZ: Is there like a Warrior Cats saying?
PAZ: Wait, let me google Warrior Cats sayings.
LIZ: Wait, can you-- can you two cat owners just get your cats to like meow into the mic and we can just have that at the end.
PAZ: Mm, no. Okay, a Warrior Cats guide. Exclamations, phrases and insults.
LIZ: I feel like this could also be a section next time.
PAZ: Oh yeah. May StarClan light your path. I remember that one. Classic.
LIZ: Unless you've got your balls cut off.
PAZ: Yeah, okay, may StarClan light your path unless you don't have balls, then fuck you. Bye, everyone.
LIZ: Bye.
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