#the dagger loop
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insane how i went through all of isat and somehow missed all the Big Things that were not direct story things
#like the loop fight#bad touch event#the dagger loop#i didn't get any of those how did i manage that#siffrin only got the normal amount of trauma in my run ig 😭#(at least i don't remember the dagger scene. but also. my memory is just as terrible as sifs)#icarus.txt
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On autonomy, and what it means to be Obliged to Help.
Bonus:
#a homestuck walks into an antechamber and asks#hey is anybody going to make this dynamic wholly deterministic and thus dubiously consensual by its very nature#ANYWAY bigger ramble below. scroll down like usual#isat spoilers#isat#isat fanart#isat siffrin#isat loop#sifloop#THATS RIGHT WE'RE STILL SHIP TAGGING IT BABYYYY#in stars and time#in stars and time fanart#lucabyteart#RAMBLE START: anyway i think loop is wrong here. they have it backwards. as-- in my opinion--#the main reason they could be called back into existence postcanon is because *their* wish for help is still not complete#they still need help. siffrin still needs help. neither of them will ever stop needing help.#they will thus uphold the wish until the end of siffrin's natural lifespan.#that said. what does it mean that loop can be so wholly forced to abide by siffrin's wants?#(assuming the dagger cutscene posession is them being forced to uphold the 'help siffrin' wish via harsh universe logic)#[as opposed to something capricious and cruel the change god did. which feels out of character for the change god to me?]#much like how the island wish and duplicate objects are neutered by simply sliding off people's brains...#is loop subtly ushered toward their wish? obviously it's not a full override (see: the bossfight). but is there any interference?#and if so. so what? does it matter? if they don't notice? is it even real if they don't notice?#and even if they do notice. the universe leads we follow. how much do either of them value their free will in a belief system like that?#the whole game is dedicated to siffrin habitually NOT excersizing his free will. doing things the same Every Time.#Loop ESPECIALLY does this. predetermined predetermined predetermined even in the FACE OF CHANGE. REFUSING. ANY CHOICE.#Maybe they'd even be comforted by having a universe-ordained purpose even if it is subservient. even if its to Him.#(though. i can't see siffrin enjoying the idea that someone is subservient TO them... then all their suffering is his fault...)#loop got into this mess via WANTING too much. no more free will. can't be trusted with it. take it away from them.#but yeah. gets my greasy detective pony hands all over this. and everyone please do remember i like to make characters Outright Wrong A Lot
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Felt like the end
#in stars and time#isat#isat siffrin#isat fanart#isat loop#isat sifloop#sifloop#isat spoilers#in stars and time spoilers#isat art#my art#art#isat dagger dialogue my beloved#nothing more sifloop than watching yourself die and being confused as to why you're upset about it
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STUMBLES IN COVERED IN BLOOD. hi! sorry i haven’t posted art in a while!!!! i redrew every single isat battle portrait. including 15 custom sprites, totalling up to 78 sprites total. use these for anything you want!! as long as i’m credited and it’s not for commercial purposes, go nuts!!!
full sprite sets below the cut!! for anyone who doesn’t want to open the google drive lol
SIKE. there’s also my ramblings here. don’t worry i did actually put the sprite sets below
i labeled all of the custom sprites as such in the drive, but for anyone that doesn’t want to sift through that, the custom sprites are bigfrin damage (2), act 6 siffrin KO and timefreeze, mira timefreeze, bonnie hurt, KO, buff, and timefreeze, and All Of Loop’s Sprites. the wiki doesn’t include the act 5 buff sprite but like. i assume it exists so i’m not counting it as custom.
anyways!! this took about 2 Weeks of drawing every day. i literally drew for like 8 hours straight on one of those days. siffrin here has 39 PORTRAITS IN TOTAL i’m not kidding. that’s straight up half of all the sprites. he doesn’t need that many.
i promise. i will not be making more redraws. for at least a week. i will resist the temptation to draw the battle cgs i promise i swear i prommy. this was really fun to work on!!!! really made me appreciate just how much adrienne drew for this game jesus christ. god’s strongest soldier. with all that aside, here’s all of the portraits! enjoy!! falls over dead on the ground
#marshdoodles#isat#in stars and time#isat spoilers#im so fucking normal about thisngame. i really am guys#also this was how i found out that the browser version of tumblr lets you post more images at once compared to the app#so i had to. open browser tumblr purely to put the pictures here#because i had ELEVEN IMAGES TO POST. hate and rage on planet earth#out of all of these i think my favorites are bonnie’s timefreeze portrait and loop & siffrin’s attack portraits#i had to redraw the sketch for bonnie’s hair and god it was worth it#also!!! because no one on discord pointed it out#loop is instinctively gripping a dagger they don’t have in their attack portrait#and bonnie’s closing their left eye in their hurt portrait in reference to the incident#teehee!
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some more siffrin doodles
#isat#in stars and time#doodle#isat spoilers#in stars and time spoilers#isat siffrin#isat loop#suicide tw#mirabelle is also here but in spirit. i also had a doodle of her giving siffrin the middle finger but it was bad#also i am sorry but i loved using the dagger. go back immediately and not go into another room? dont mind if i do
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Guess who's been REALLY into Ultrakill lately....
Me... [Achromatic Loop AU]
↓ [Original references below] ↓
Artist: @Fun_Kayy on Twitter.
Both drawings are inspired by Ultrakill's cover art 🔥
#tsp achromatic loop au#THIS GAME GOT ME GOING CRAAZZYYY#gritting my teeth trying to get a P rank#[that's never going to happen HAHAHA]#this game really got me so hyped up#now I just need to find another game that does fancy dagger stuf#tsp au#tsp#tspud#the stanley parable#the stanley parable ultra deluxe#ultrakill#tsp narrator#narrator tsp#tsp curator#curator tsp#my drawing museum
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#very normal about loop#spiky#isat fanart#in stars and time#isat#isat loop#isat spoilers#in stars and time spoilers#the dagger guard is in the wrong shape :( oh well#moi art
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"Do you know something?"
#PLEASE IGNORE HOW HIS DAGGER IS IN HIS PANTS POCKET#I DON'T KNOW WHAT I WAS THINKING#BUT IT WAS TOO LATE TO CHANGE IT#anyway#sorry for abusing red/blue color palette AGAIN#it's like the only right answer OTZ#this counts as my piece for act 5/6 <3#the vibes in this conversation were. not fun! (VERY positive)#i think it's fun to imagine sif wired and ready to fight SOMETHING. anything#even loop#loop voice haha! i'm in danger!#isat#in stars and time#in stars and time fanart#isat siffrin#isat spoilers#isat fanart#in stars and time siffrin#isat spoiler#isat act 5#isat act 5 spoilers#artilite#artilite art
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(You gently drop the flower in their open palm, and act like nothing out of the ordinary happened.)
(Loop does, too.)
#in stars and time#isat#isat loop#isat siffrin#isat spoilers#<- technically ? kinda sorta ? a follow up to an optional dialogue ? im being cautious on this one i think#this was originally going to be a 2 parter with a punchline butttt#i wasnt liking how i was drawing the 2nd part so it is scrapped for now#but i do like how the first part came out so now it gets isolated :]#speaking of#one of my dearest friends (squid)#proceeded to#show loop the drawing#then get THE DAGGER CONVO#right after seeing this dialogue for the first time ASFADAS#they also then started doing the a4 versions of the friendquests#needless to say was prob not a good time for either involved that loop#but yeeea the 2nd part may happen later and will be sillier(?)! but not now#OH also those who sent asks... i will be getting to them soon i promise!!#i needed to gather my thoughts properly. and also not start revealing an entire hand immediately!#anyway thats the tag talk YIPPEE !!
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Mutual Self Destruction
#isat#isat spoilers#in stars and time#isat loop#isat siffrin#isat fanart#fanart tag#daggers#strangling#attempted murder#attempted suicide#KINDAAA#anyway the image came to me and i don't think i did it justice but. okay sure#also was tired of doing black and white forgive meee#2hats spoilers
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about time i drew them
I have all the power in my hands to draw them kissing yess yessssssssssssssssss like a few weeks to a (probably) few months later the moment they get more comfortable
i had fun drawing the sillies, especially the mentally unstable one stuck in a time loop who is the universe's sleepiest soldier (i adore when ppl in this fandom call em that its just yes 🥺)
#Loop: you will always remember sitting on the fighter while he was blushing profusely at the action#Siff: the universe hates me#Memory of.. idk#would probably do something like Fighter never gets sus of siff loll#not sure what warnings to add for the last image ngl#uhhh#suicide mention#well implied ig?#my art#MDN art tag#isafrin#isasif#isabeau x siffrin#siffrin x isabeau#isabeau#siffrin#isat isabeau#isat siffrin#isat#isat spoilers#mainly for the dagger#in stars and time#in stars and time spoilers#fanart#isat fanart#implied sui#implied suicide
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Introducing the AU where Loop is finally allowed to be referred to in the royal We. Because it makes sense now..?
#siffrin carrying around loop like the broken doll <3#in fast and food#isat#in stars and time#siffrin isat#loop isat#art#fanart#kitscribbles#listen sometimes you just gotta talk to yourself like youre not the only one going through it#''hey wait where's their dagger'' switchblade now
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So does anybody else ever think about how Loop felt the need to demonstrate that the party's deaths wouldn't have any effect on the loops. I know I do but that's besides the point. Anyway I don't think Loop actually needs to bathe, they just like to feel included.
#'but lucabyte didnt you already do a comic with this exact same message? that loop has potentially killed their party intentionally before?'#yes i did absolutely do that thank you for noticing. that is what the cannibalism comic is about. no that was not a metaphor. lol#isat#in stars and time#isat spoilers#in stars and time spoilers#sifloop#isat siffrin#isat loop#in stars and time fanart#isat fanart#lucabyteart#ill ramble elsewhere some other time. maybe in a text post. but. long and short of it: even if you assume the answer to 'how do they know'#is that in sasasap isa got frozen once. theres still the fact that the loops are from sif being too distressed. how far gone does a siffrin#have to be before they can witness a party member die and notice it has no effect. how does loop feel to have planned to kill the party#during act 3. why did they NEED to show sif that. are they trying to preemtively stop them from getting the idea in their head#that maybe that might work? when they're out of all other options? when they just get so frustrated and at wits end?#loop helps in subtle ways through the whole game. and in less subtle ways like begging sif not to use the dagger. and while yes the#overarching reason you need to learn that the loops are tied to sif is because you need to figure out wish craft.... loop doesn't know the#actual mechanics of the loops themselves. just what didn't work. the power of friendship. getting the final hit in. being perfect. etc...#and besides all that.. how did loop feel during that hangout. being so deceitful. especially since before the other shoe drops#sif is enjoying themselves. but they know what's coming the whole time.#as for: why bathing? its the obvious imagery for blood on their hands/washing/never being clean. and is a bit of an inversion of the other#piece i just drew with the other casual closeness and nudity being kind. this one is cruel instead.#anyway tag ramble over ill do a masterpost of all my fanwork with some directors commentary sometime i promise. since i know im often vague
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Hey, so, the dagger conversation, right?
You know the one. You loop with tears 20+ times, Loop goes "haha tears so annoying right!" and then you pester Loop about being able to kill yourself with your dagger until. They get possessed.
Yeah, so, uh. Loop getting possessed. Why is that? What takes hold of them in this moment, and why is it now that Loop defying Siffrin is met with such severe pushback?
I think Siffrin accidentally bound Loop with a wish, in which they were forced to give Siffrin "permission" to use the dagger in order to fulfill the wish's conditions. (Explanation under cut.)
So. Wishes. What do we know about them? Well, we know that Wish Craft requires a combination of ritual and intent to perform. You must have a strong desire, and for this desire to reach the Universe, you have to perform some kind of action that opens the line of communication. We... don't know, fully, what rituals exist, but we do know that a significant part of Wish Craft rituals is repetition of certain numbers, one of which being three.
Now let's consider the dagger conversation. Loop asks Siffrin if they're annoyed yet, having to find a Tear every time they want to loop, before saying there's no faster way. You then have the option of agreeing, or mentioning your dagger. If you keep pushing, Loop gets angry and tells Siffrin that they don't want him to use the dagger. Something important to note about the following text choices is that, up until the third time you insist on using your dagger, you have the option to back out.
And then the third time. Loop gets angry at Siffrin for pushing the issue, and Siffrin replies "And who are you to tell me what to do?!" Loop tries to say something, before...
Loop gets possessed. Siffrin repeats his intent to do something (in this case, use his dagger to kill himself) three times, and Loop, on the third instance, suddenly loses the ability to defy Siffrin on the matter.
Recall the "SAY ITS NAME" sequence with the King. Siffrin and the King attempt to say the Island's name, violating whatever wish has its hold on the Island, and suffer physical injuries (to the point of death!) for doing this. Loop tries to rebuke Siffrin, and they experience sudden pain. And then... they loop. We know, because of the twohats fight, that Loop has the capability to loop independently of Siffrin. I believe that's what happened here, as well. They then are possessed, giving Siffrin "permission" to use the dagger, before looping once more.
It's just. I really don't know how to explain what happened to Loop without attributing it to Wish Craft.
Universe stuff indeed.
There is, of course, the question of "hey if Wish Craft can just Do That then isn't it likely that you could just force people to do whatever you want?!"
Well. I don't think that's likely. Remember Loop's role. They're here to help Siffrin. It's part of their own wish. And what constitutes helping Siffrin? Guiding them to keys, pointing out dead ends, giving you tutorials.
We know that combined wishes can have incredible levels of power. See: the timeloops.
It of course goes without saying that I sincerely doubt Siffrin would ever purposefully force Loop into this position, even at their worst. It's just not something he would do. We know Siffrin uses Wish Craft somewhat liberally and unconsciously, even within the loops, making a wish for strength/power/speed at the Change God statue, sharpening the KeyKnife. However, Wish Craft is... deeply caked in the general concept of "unintended consequences." I wouldn't put "violently taking over your mind and body" above the Universe.
TLDR; Siffrin holds the desire of "let me use my dagger" and accidentally Crafts it into a wish through the use of ritual (repetition 3 times). Loop is subject to "help" Siffrin, and through defying this role, they violate the conditions of Siffrin's wish. In response to Loop looping back to avoid physical injury/death, the Universe commands Loop's vessel to force the wish's conditions to be fulfilled in the most "direct" way possible.
#isat#in stars and time#isat spoilers#isat theory#cw suicide#...just in case i know some ppl dont like reading abt the dagger#i've been. ill abt the dagger convo. for months now#ive held this theory for the past few months but never got around to making a post on it. on account of the nervousness#(and laziness)#surely not the first person to have this theory but i wanted to be the guy to post it.#i need other people to have my worms over this event. i feel like people#brush over how fucking insane the dagger acquisition itself is.#like. HELLO? LOOP GOT FUCKING POSSESSED???#HELLO??????#three is an incredibly important number in isat. even the damn ellipses and exclamation points are consistently always in threes#i don't think it's a coincidence that siffrin has to ask three times. that's my shitty tldr
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crying and sobbing i was supposed to draw doodles of my ocs but instead all there is is Siffrin
they're so shaped i have to draw them
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100% :)
#isat#in stars and time#siffrin#my art#doodles#the brothers doodle was two sifs staring into the void and i just put them together#i realized afterwards it could be sif and loop after the shiny mf materializes again as another siffrin#they do not know how that happened or what that means#fun time for everyone involved#this screenshot is already two weeks old#i started a new playthrough because of course#and it is quite funny#on my first playthrough at 23 hours i had 23 loops in act 3#on my second one i had 145 loops at 19 hours in act 4#NOW at the end of act 4 i am going through the house one last time for fun i have 198 loops at 26 hours#the little mf knows that banana peel and dagger better than the back of his hand#my og playthrough ended at 89 loops#and even after i came back to act 4 to get everything i could at that point i got only to 130 loops#what i'm saying is that#my second playthrough siffrin the moment he learnt they're in a timeloop#decided to split his skull open on a rock over 100 times before they even reached act 3#god he needs help#someone take my siffrin away i am torturing them so much#anyway the reason i looped so much was mainly to talk to loop and get all the chats#also farm exp#getting to lvl 99 actually wasn't that bad#went quite quickly after 85#also why does mira need so much exp#just so we can suffer#anyway act 5 siffrin at 200 loops let's go
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sadness siffrin doodling
#mono’s art#siffrin isat#isat fanart#isat spoilers#?#sadness siffrin au#i would have done it white on a black background but it looked bad when i tried to fix it sooo. whatever#anyhoo ummm#working on a mal du pays style for myself#notable differences between siff and sadness!sif#longer tail can cry out of the eye under the eye patch (forgot to draw it though) horns get to poke out from under the hat#(want them to be sharper too)#dangly things on the hat (shit they collect) (wanted to include the bell but idk how to draw it) (contrasting how silent they usually are)#(he can be heard wherever he goes now)#umm the star thing on the chest is obvious. i wanna make it red though. referencing the whole dagger looping thing#umm not friendly with other sadnesses. goes berserk noticing something he assumes to be a threat (sadness)#wanna draw smth of him meeting the party after. for funsies :3
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