#the contrast between those two moments kills me 😂

[godsfavoritedumpster]

I mean, this is hilarious 😭😂

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If you dont mind me asking

I think I may have missed it but why do you think Namora works for her personal gain?

I thought Namora told Namor to attack Wakanda because she cared about the Talocans too. She acted on impulse . She was angry that they killed the two Talocans.

Both Namor and Namora thought about their people and their protection which I don't think is wrong? After all they are in war?

Or maybe I have missed something( I watched the movie only once so its quite possible) I liked all of you analysis, so I thought maybe you can explain it a bit better?

Sorry if I offended you in any way

I'm not offended at all!! Please ask me questions haha I love analysing scenes. The whole topic on Namora stems from how she was just presented to me when I saw the film.

Namor and Namora are cousins according to the comics and they do have that ease of conversation in the movie. The first scene we see her is when they sink the ship in the Atlantic, and then see looks up at the sky when the helicopter takes off. Between Attuma and her, I feel like she's the right hand or more closer individual to Namor. Attuma is the muscle brains (as Okoye says 😂).

The next scene we see her is on the bridge, and the impression I get from her is that she's just ruthless. She's on her task and precise too, she immediately takes on the task of killing the witnesses. This contrast is interesting because when Attuma fights Okoye, she drops her spear and could have eliminated her then and there but instead he kicks it back to her. I derive from that scene, that the Talokans in a way are bound by honour. They do not kill unless required or their opponent has to have the weapon or should have been defeated in battle. When Shuri asks to be taken, Attuma asks for council from Namora again hinting at their power play? She says yes and takes her. From those scenes alone I felt like she had a scheming personality. It's these little connections in the way she holds herself that I found interesting to deconstruct her character further. She definitely feels like someone who works based on a motive.

Then in the cave sequence, she's rather suspicious of Shuri. And that's fair because she's the princess of Wakanda, but Namora keeps a close eye on her interactions with Namor. In his little hut when they were speaking, I'm 100% sure she was posted outside his door and could have been privy to their conversation. From what I've seen from Namor so far, he's a regal ruler. He has one motive, it is to keep his people safe, whatever the cause. His downside is that he's impulsive, but given the fact that he wants to keep their existence a secret from the whole world, he doesn't have much to work with.

The other interesting parallel in his character is when Nakiya talks to the indigenious woman and she says that those with ill will in their hearts do not return from meeting Namor. So I like that he has a great discernment of character and maybe that's why he's taken by Shuri. She's noble and because of a shared trauma, wants vengence to some degree. But he makes demands and likes for them to be met, he's getting frustrated with the nosy surface beings sniffing around his home. Now the whole point of the war tips on one factor. One life to keep the peace , and in enter Riri Williams.

I love the shot of the final moment in the cave. Shuri listens to him and I feel like shes the first person to do so. He entrusts with her his fear and his ambition, his heart is tainted with hatred for the colonisers but I'm sure his interaction with Shuri would have made him pause to reflect on his idea of "all surface people are bad", he depicts or portrays mild mannerisms where he looks like he could be open to change. He admires wakanda but I'm sure he wouldn't have wanted to invade cause that would go against his core ideal of losing a home. He only wants to be sure of security and an ally in destroying his enemy and now wakanda's enemy, the United States so far. Shuri and him are engrossed in conversation, he gives her his mother's bracelet almost like a peace offering before the conversation tips but even then I feel like they were arguing in the most royal sense. The conversation was not about them or their needs but about their people. Now in between this, Namora pops up. She sees this dynamic and having been close to Namor she can tell he would have been enamoured with Shuri, so this could have been working in her head.

Now all this goes on and then Nakiya tips the tension by killing two Talokans, whom Shuri tries to save to prevent war but also because by this time she actually has compassion and empathy for the Talokans. Just before Nakiya enters, you can see her interact with the Talokan lady. With Namor distracted, he would have come back to a scene and it's enraging him. He hold the lady as she passes and the last thing she asks is if he can save her. But in this scene, I feel like he's absolutely pissed off with Ramonda. She threatens him just a second ago and then this happens, so he's starting to see red. In that moment, if the council he received at that moment was like, we need to take time to react I believe he would have waited it out to attack wakanda but instead (OMG THAT SHOT IS BEAUTIFUL) We see the camera focused on his face, you as a viewer already know what's running in his mind, but that's when Namora steps in. She knows him well enough to echo his thoughts in such a way that it will tip him off. She also constructs that conversation around Shuri, about how she could be this vile person who could leak their secret. She's basically accusing him of having a soft spot for her and now she's a witness who should have been eliminated.

This wreaks havoc, she infiltrates the river city along with the army and then if I'm not wrong points him the direction he needed to go. To do the deed, I'm not saying Namor is a mindless fool but the guy is basically in rage mode. He will at all costs not have his people be revealed, so he goes after Ramonda. Now I do believe, if Shuri was in the room with her mother and Riri, Ramonda would not have died, she would have been spared and this attack would have been a warning. But he then sees Shuri crumble, his rage fades and it sort of strikes him as he sees Ramonda lifeless. This guy has a strong connection to mothers so having him be the cause of Ramonda's demise did not really sit right. So when he's about to leave he instructs Shuri or advices her to let go and move on but importantly says that's she's queen now. I feel like he wanted her to be queen because she knew his secret and now she could do better than Ramonda. It's messy, brutal and complex.

We don't get much of Namora in the fight sequence but I get the vibe that when Namor and Shuri fight, she was hoping for Namor to kill her this time around. But instead they become allies on the battlefield and that outcome is not what she's looking for. So Namor goes back home and is healing and commemorating this pivotal moment of Wakandan and Talokan history when we get the final scene. She walks in telling him that what he did was wrong, that she was wanting to fight beside him, that the very thought of him kneeling down to Shuri is not setting well with her. But Namor looks at peace for once just like he had been when he was with Shuri, his people our safe, what he wanted to happen has happened, he's now allies with Wakanda. But Namora comes across as impatient that she wanted to burn the world more than him. That dialogue of hers made me feel she harboured even more hatred than Namor. He convinces her like a child saying she'll get the war she wants. She also operates with a power dynamic, so in her head she might feel she's the closest to Namor, having Shuri there will seem threatening to her. But Namor plays into that unknowingly, he's fangirling about the Black panther while I'm pretty sure she's not getting his attachment for her.

Anyway, I have once again rambled 😂 she may not even be the villain and neither is Namor but she seems fishy (pun intended) to me. She's a chaos child and everyone's pointing fingers at Namor, I want to say that he didn't act alone. But this was how I interpreted their relationship and dynamic.

I believe the true enemy to Wakanda and Talokan is the actually the world and that depends on if these guys are going to leave well enough alone and stop digging for vibranium. But you know colonisers are always on the look out for new places and resources to conquer, so the world is going to dig and it will strike up a war with Wakanda.

[katerinaaqu]

Oh wow I mean I kinda saw that coming hahahaha 😆 😂 I mean I could see that by n large Hyginus's version is the generally known one while I haven't seen so many quote Pausanias in regards to Palamedes and his murder 😀 but yes evidently so the pool shows it hahahaha thanks to the 70 people who voted as well as those who graced me with their opinions for this pool!

So as I promised here's my personal preference for a story and some small planning on what I can do of it hehehehehe

Okay for those of you who read my fanfiction "Guilt", have noticed how in the second part Neoptolemus accuses Odysseus for killing Palamedes and Odysseus retaliates by saying "it was an accident". In my one-shot story "Screams and Shadows in the Night" Odysseus has a nightmare which involves Palamedes appearing covered in aglae and water.

Needless to say that the version I went by more was Pausanias's version with the drowning. That is because the version seemed to me more compatible with Odysseus persona in the Odyssey and Iliad. The primary difference between the two seems to be that the one fits more a crime of passion and a slip of the mind in anger while the other is an elaborate ploy and Hyginus even insinuates that Odysseus was planning that from day one.

It is not that Odysseus is impossible to plan something unjust for someone or something cruel as such. Far from it. We know that Odysseus can be vicious or cruel when angry however in the Odyssey when it comes to revenge Odysseus was known for being just and careful. He spent days in abuse and humiliation so that he could study the suitors and test them and make sure his judgement on them would be correct. He even tried to warn one or two to get out of there. In the Odyssey he seemed to be trying to spare as many lives as he could if he could help it but of course at times of vengeance he was ruthless cruel and unstoppable.

Hyginus not only implies that Odysseus would be seeking revenge for a long time but also that he would have no problem framing someone for something they did not do something that doesn't seem compatible to his Odyssey or even Iliad persona. In Iliad he punished Thersites for his insolence on the spot and didn't try to accuse him on something he didn't do. It seems to me that he could accuse Palamedes for attempting murdering his son that would work better. Not only that but Odysseus in Hyginus he is not only willing to accuse someone for something they didn't do to achieve his goal but he is also willing to take other innocent lives in the process (in this case the captive that was sent to take the fake message ellegedly from Priam that was murdered by one of his soldiers)

In the Odyssey he didn't even let his own wetnurse to accuse his slaves until he had seen it with his own eyes so he wouldn't take lives needlessly. In Hyginus he randomly kills an innocent just because he is a captive and a tool for his plan and then frames another person for a crime they didn't commit instead of accusing them for a crime they nearly committed so that they would get the most disgraceful punishment they could get, completely cruelly soiling their name their family's name and reputation and much more.

That being said in my mind it does seem like a total contrast to the calculative nature of Odysseus in his vengeance and the calculations were always to get as just punishment as possible even if that would mean for him being cruel. In Hyginus he is cruel because he can and he doesn't care if he is unjust which doesn't seem to be the case with Homer. That being said I was more attracted to the idea that Odysseus lost it in a moment of madness and murders Palamedes in a spree and Diomedes assisting him or covering for him and vouching for his innocence.

However since you guys voted for this, I might as well challenge myself and see how I can make Hyginus work in a "homeric context" too and as some brilliant comments suggested, why not combine some sources as well and make it fitting! Let's see what the future shall bring!

I will reblog my thoughts on it when the pool is done! Hahahahaha. Please let me know at the comment section your reasoning behind the decision that would be great!

[hotdamnhunnam]

My lovely lovely friend, I’m soooo glad that you’ve decided to take part in my Kinky Charlie Writing Challenge!! 🥰

I **HIGHLY RECOMMEND** this fic to everyone, y’all should give it the love and support it deserves please!!! This girl is one of the absolute sweetest most wonderful people I’ve been blessed to meet on tumblr and this fic is a beautiful masterpiece 🥲✨

I can’t praise and applaud it enough!! So much love!!! 👏👏❤️

The first few paragraphs set the stage for this fic so well! I love how you’ve captured that sense of how Jax would’ve felt, post season 7 if the show hadn’t ended the way that it did, that heavy hollow hatred, I think you really nailed it!

The reference to his first sight of the reader 😍

The first time he laid eyes on you, your clean white coat and shiny stethoscope, skilful hands stitching up one of the prospects scratched up from a brawl, for the first time in years he felt something other than hate.

I felt like I could *see her* just as he sees her (or see me I guess lol, this being a reader-insert and all 😂 see him looking at me?) And seeing her/me through his eyes made me all fluffy happy!! 🥰

The setup you’ve created with her work/life provides such a great framework for the push-and-pull dynamic! I’m a lawyer irl but I really *felt* like a doctor while reading this fic 😅 since your setup is so richly imagined and immersive and realistic.

Oh and I loved this line, more on the (very important!!) topic of Jax’s dick:

Some nurses and doctors gossiping about wanting this man called Jax Teller to whisk them out of the hospital so they can “ride him like he rides his Harley”.

hehee 😏🏍

The TENSION and ATTRACTION and unspoken AFFECTION between these two kills meee 😩 The carnage of the club making him feel so guilty, but she clings to the good in him even if he’s unable/unwilling to see 🥺

I love this little ‘summary’?? (that gif you used with this excerpt was perfect too, so lovely! 🥲)

This is the summary of you and Jax. Hot heavy sessions in your car’s back seat the once or twice a month you happen to be in town. He meets you in the parking lot kutte-less because he knows you resent any sight or mention of the club. Always a soft yet pained smile upon his face when he greets you, before ravaging you in the most heavenly way you’ve never known

And then you follow it with this as if you hadn’t already killed me, now shit gets a little filthy 🤤

You know the history of the ghosts that haunt them. You’re many things for Jax. He’ll never tell you this but you’ve become his only ray of hope in his bleak world. You and him both know you’re his slut. His filthy whore. Hell you even let him call you his bitch when he’s inside you ruthlessly tearing apart your holes. But the one thing you swear never to become is his collateral damage.

Okayy if I continue this way I’m just gonna end up quoting the whole fic lmaooo 😂

Let me just say that I LOVE how you wove in one of the kink assignments with possessive/jealous Jax though!! 🥵

Also:

You’re the one pure light in his sorry ass life. He should let you go. But he doesn’t want to. He’ll never want to. But he has to, so he will. Just not yet.

Then the SMUT is so vivid and delicious and I won’t quote it because I don’t want to spoil it!!! 🔥🔥🔥 💦💦💦

Oh but the description of him being such a sculpted god and a museum-worthy masterpiece totally did it for me, you KNOW I regard this man worshipfully!!!! 🙇🏻‍♀️

**In fact here I’m inserting a cut, since the rest of my comments may spoil things somewhat**

Those moments when you wove in the breeding kink and the shared fantasy of their future together just ruined me 😭 but it hurt BEAUTIFULLY 💔

I loved the imagery, in the scene when he visits the reader’s big city, the contrast is so clear, I could really feel his sense of such deep longing but not belonging here 😔 and then he does dare to envision it, pictures the whole rest of his happy life with you in it 🥲/😢

I didn’t want the fic to end yet at the same time the ending was so perfect!! I’m personally just blissfully telling myself that Jax and reader have their happily ever after because THEY EFFING DESERVE IT ♥️

Seriously this fic is amazing, you’re amazing!!

Thank you again so much for taking part in my little challenge, love!! You are one of my very most precious connections on tumblr and your support of my fics is a huge part of what keeps me motivated and inspired to post stuff, I love you and can’t thank you enough ���💕

Worlds Away | Jax Teller

Fic for the wonderful @hotdamnhunnam and her 1k follower celebration 🎊. I’m very late to this and I know you’re closer to 2k followers by now but congratulations my lovely ��️, you deserve all this love!!! For this super fun challenge my prompts are Jax Teller + really rough sex + intense possessive/jealousy + breeding kink.  I’m firmly a reader of Charlie smut as opposed to a writer, but this awesome celebration and kink prompts had me in the mood to write a fic (and I’m super scared to put this out here 🙈). This was supposed to be around 1k of a smut scene but when I started writing this, I’m also on an SoA rewatch which gave me an idea for a plot and I thought it would work well with these prompts … so 1k turned into 5k 🙃

Pairing: Jax Teller x F!Reader

Fic summary: Set in a post 7x12 world: Tara’s gone, Gemma’s gone. Jax stays as President of SAMCRO. Y/N’s job brings her to Charming from time to time where she meets Jax. Unable to resist the mutual attraction, they fall into a just-sex arrangement. But she’s become more than just sex for him, and the main premise of this fic is Jax battling with his deepening feelings for her and with his decision to either finally leave MC life or to stay

Author’s note: In this fic y/n’s a doctor. This isn’t supposed to bear any similarities to Tara or Jara. I made her a doctor because I felt like this gave a natural way for her to meet Jax whilst also playing into her having her own world that’s very different to his. Also, I don’t live in America so some hospital vocab might be different but I’ve tried to use the same terms since this fic is based where Jax Teller’s stunning 🍑 lives 😅

Themes: Angst, smut 

Warnings: 18+ only, smut, unprotected p in v, car sex, swearing, angst

Word count: 5.1k

He can’t stand anything these days. Not the reflection of the soulless man staring back at him in the mirror, not the kutte of the club that’s taken so much of what he’s loved from him, not the ruthless actions of his brothers and most of all himself.

He can’t stand anything at all. Guess that makes sense since you bring him to his knees. The first time he laid eyes on you, your clean white coat and shiny stethoscope, skilful hands stitching up one of the prospects scratched up from a brawl, for the first time in years he felt something other than hate.

A couple years had passed since he had lost the only woman he’s ever loved. Since his mother had lost her life at the hands of her own son. His father, mother, best friend and wife all taken from him, he has only his sons to live for. The voice inside his head screams at him every day that those boys would be better off without him. Safer. There’s an aching part of him that thinks it’s probably true.

But this life is the only thing he’s ever known. He’s been cladding himself in the kutte and diving head first into club business for as long as he can remember. So he continues waking up every day and living this way. Lawless, violence, merciless.

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