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I just read this ask about skin care and i had a bit of a similar ask
What would bot think about eyes colors ? They only know yellow, red and blue ones, so when they see brown, black, green, heterochromia or grey ones (i do have grey eyes, it is a sign of a lack of melanin in your body (im the defenition of being white asf i can't go outside without sunscreen)), how would they react to that?
They would find it facinating.
Cybertronians come into being with many various optical lens colors. The coloration has very little to do with function or frame type when a bot is born naturally. Some say it connects to the color of the spark. Others swear up and down that optic color ties each mech to a Prime. The various religious cults across Cybertron used to herald specific colors as being more pure than the others. Science, however, dictates that optical lens coloration is completely randomized for mecha born of the Well of Allsparks. There is no divine reasoning behind it. The cold forged are a different story, that with most low caste bots being given red optical lenses in order to help them work better in low light areas. The Prime is also another similar case since every single Prime to have carried the Matrix has been recorded having blue optics. Most high caste bots chalked the low caste and the Prime's optical lens colorations always coming out the same as being Primus's divine ordainment of functionalism.
Both Optimus and Megatron shut such views down after they came into power in their respective factions.
With all that stated, I believe the bots would think eye colors are interesting, and maybe even a little worrying considering their own history. Seeing as humans can't pop out of the ground randomly, the bots look at their eye colors as a denotation of birth function, at least for the most part. Those with blue, grey, or green eyes tend to come from the colder regions of Earth, generally being of paler skin. As such, the bots tend to look at them as the flight frames of Earth due to the relative rarity of the colors and their nature as recessive genes. Flight frames on Cybertron were not particularly common after all. Brown eyed humans are seen as the grounders of Earth, being most common but often quite resourceful and hardy. The bots do recognize that in light of modernization, it is now difficult to decipher the 'frame type' of most humans, but they still take note on instinct.
The eyes of humans are fascinating, especially those with unusual colors. The ones with odd eyes are the triple changers, beastformers, and predacons of humanity. Rare in the extreme, but gifted in something unique. Humanity is an interesting race, and while the bots are well aware that humans don't technically have frame types like they do, the comparisons come anyway.
#transformers#maccadam#transformers prime#team prime#cybertronian biology#cybertronian culture#cybertronian worldbuilding
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So, apart from how it happened, what's your take on the Spike soul thing?
...I actually like it? I hate everything about Seeing Red, but sending Spike off to get a soul? That actually works for me. For a few reasons.
First of all, it deepens and complicates the show's soul lore so much to have a post-soul Spike be recognisably exactly the same guy, just with the addition of a built-in moral compass and a little more guilt and restraint. It demolishes everything we were told about how vampirism works at the start of the series, and that is fascinating to me and also something that I feel like ought to have been a much bigger deal for everyone in the show, but wasn't.
Also, the dynamic of his having fought for and won a soul because he wants to be a good man and feels like he can't just rely on Buffy as an external moral compass is...I love that. I love that it enables them to stand on a more equal footing, because putting your whole moral compass on someone else is inevitably going to unbalance things a bit. I love the way that it makes it impossible to believe that Spike has not changed and grown and wasn't doing his best to be good beforehand, because if he genuinely didn't care about being a better person, he'd never have done it. Does he need the soul to be a good man? Probably not, but soulless Spike seems to be relying on other people as barometers for morality, and that would be dangerous even if those other people weren't the Scoobies in general and Buffy in specific, who struggle as much with figuring out morality as anyone else, and aren't the most stable basis for this, even putting aside just how marginal Spike is within the group.
And, spitefully, I love the way it underlines his differences from Angel. This might just be that he claims to be 'not a thinker' (not entirely accurate, but his thought patterns do not follow the same sort of lines as Angel's), but Spike's first thought after the soul is action - to try and work to make amends, not just stewing in his own guilt. Like- it annoyed me so much when Angel acted like Spike 'getting over' his guilt so much more quickly was a point against him, when...actually, this is not a comparison that favours Angel. The guilt is clearly still there - the aftermath of the Dana thing demonstrates that, even with all the things wrong with Spike's characterisation in AtS S5 - but Spike chooses to do something about it rather than angsting and eating rats. And does so without anyone dangling a fifteen-year-old in front of him like a carrot, and with the full acceptance that the woman he loves does not and will not return his feelings (so far as he knows) no matter how many good deeds he does. Likewise, there's no claim that he's two different people, no attempt to duck responsibility. Angel might accuse Spike's arc of being a cheap knockoff of his in Destiny, but I'd argue that it's the improved second version.
So, yeah, the soul itself, I approve of. I might not like how it was handled, or how they kicked that plotline off, but I think it's both narratively interesting and very useful for worldbuilding and characterisation. Also it pisses Angel off royally, and that is never not going to fill me with glee.
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For the terror ask game-Franklin?
Franklin - Who’s an underrated character in your opinion?
Well, funnily enough, I actually find Franklin himself to be underrated in many ways.
As so often is the problem with fandom generally speaking, he often gets flattened down and smoothed away until he's just 'stupid old man who fucks everything up'. And, like, I'm not saying that he's not that but I do think there's much more to him than just that.
I think he's a man more than aware of his own limitations for one thing - sometimes painfully so but also often not? He knows full well he wasn't first in line to lead the Expedition:
"Sir, he [Crozier] was no one's first choice for this expedition." "Nor was I..."
He also shows in places a surprisingly keen understanding of both his limitations in comparison with Crozier - "I'm not the sailor you are Francis, never will be." - and the difficulties of communicating with him - "Perhaps it is I who's unable to truly bring him into the bosom of my confidence. I want to. I always plan to. But then, when I'm with him, I don't know why I falter."
There is a willingness there in him to confront and accept his own foibles and I find that really interesting to think about in comparison with his hubristic, self-aggrandising side.
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Another contrasting aspect of Franklin's character I find fascinating is the care he has (or doesn't have) for the men under his command. There's an artifice to it in many places - the way he turns David Young's death into self-serving propaganda (all after making choices that actively worsen the circumstances of that death), or bribes the marines in the hunting blind with rum and revels in feeling like one of the gang afterwards. But there are other places where it feels much more genuine. Gore's death, of course, hits Franklin like a ton of bricks and it's Crozier raising the idea of risking further lives that really starts to set him off in E03 too -
"It's only eight men, Sir John. And there is just enough time." "I have lost six men on this expedition to date. SIX! And you ask me to risk more..."
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And don't even get me started on that rant! My god! It's absolutely my favourite scene for Franklin! Again, there's a fascinating contrast in the way he so accurately reads Crozier to absolute filth but then, anger spent and realising the pain he's inflicted, the way he fails so utterly to make up for it - "So let us turn our energies back to being what the Admiralty, and life, have seen fit to make us..." etc. that's just putting a bandaid on a stab wound. And I go a bit bananas for the additional lines that didn't make it into the final cut too
"...There can be no argument between us there. I will not bother you again with more. But do not test me again with more, either."
#I could talk forever about that wonderful rant but this answer is long enough already#Another post for another time perhaps#Thank you for this one!#It was really interesting to think about!#Asks#Ask Game#Friendos!#The Terror#The Terror AMC#Sir John Franklin
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These two gangs are clearly set together to be contrasts, with one side having on the surface a chaotic, even perverse, aesthetic whilst the other gives the pretense of being more dignified and civil. One populated exclusively by men, the other (at best guess) dominantly by women.
But what's fascinating is going a step deeper.
Let's start with the left gang, which is led by chem-baron Chross. Their aesthetic is meant to evoke bouncers, barstaff, and general wait-staff at classy establishments. With their strong metal chins, pince nez glasses, and canes they're also clearly trying to give an air of being likewise dignified, perhaps even noble, themselves.
But this clashes with a couple small details about their appearance. Firstly, they're almost entirely uniform, with only minor details like neckerchief or moustache style actually differentiating them. This may in fact be a contributing factor to why they are quite literally numbered with tattoos on their foreheads. Lastly, as we learn when they engage Jinx later in the episode, those metal chins aren't just chins, they actually seem to replace their mouths as well. Meaning that as part of their uniform membership in Chross' gang, these guys have sacrificed their self-expression, their identity, and even their voice.
They are the model of self-repression for the sake of inclusion in an in-crowd. Chross himself, quite pointedly, almost lacks a chin entirely. He gets to speak, you get to listen.
Then there's the right gang, led by chem-baroness Margot.
Obviously, these figures (I'm avoiding saying women here given their aesthetic basis and just how little we get to see of them by comparison) are dressed up in leather-play kink fashion.
Their head coverings might be dominatrix articles or just as easily submissive (I am not remotely versed enough to know which for certain). Margot's gang canonically operates brothels and pleasure bars, so it's conceivable that for them this is quite literally a uniform. One can almost imagine this confrontation being sparked between establishments directly opposite one another on the same street.
Margot's gang is expressive, opinionated, diverse, and colourful. Held together by mutual interests and circumstance more than a collective group identity as one might suggest of Chross' gang.
What's interesting however is that despite the identity-repression involved in submissive kink play, Margot's gang actually has a wealth of visual diversity. The majority of the uniforms are the same, but there's a diversity in bright hair colours, the styling of it, their makeup, small details on their uniform (studs vs spikes, etc), possibly skin tone (it's a little hard to tell given the lighting), and especially body type amongst their ranks. The lead member blowing a kiss is heavy-set whereas the disgusted peer to her left is lithe.
This contrasts strongly with the uniformity of Chross' gang, who are practically carbon cut-outs. Despite being likewise in uniform, Margot's gang has worked in self-expression wherever possible and notably retain their voices, as represented by their mouths being wholly unobscured.
There's likely also something to be said about LGBT+ representation here. It's a standing grievance raised about Pride about kink, often in leather or latex (if you're feeling particularly dedicated on a summer afternoon), being present in public. Chross even explicitly describes Margot's affairs as being a "boulevard of filth". Margot is open and affectionate, while Chross plays the businessman only concerned for his establishments and ventures.
So it's easy to imagine that Chross' gang picked this particular fight over prudish ideals and maintaining a civilised upper-class facade, whilst Margot's gang rose to the challenge.
Margot even explicitly states that Chross' gang started the turf war by attacking one of her establishments.
Can we talk about these distinct gang aesthetics though?
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The Simpsons predicted Trump/Biden 2024
#shitpost#the simpsons#trump/biden#sideshow bob#mayor quimby#the comparisons are generally fascinating
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kabru as a pwnpd headcanon is genuinely so iconic that man rlly is odysseus' hubristic tendencies made manifest tbh . . .
#/silly#i love projecting my own npd to him but like he was born cluster beautiful personality disorder#the way he kind of has an ''off'' switch when he can just#turn off both rationality and like gets driven only by pure instinct as a survival response#it's genuinely fascinating#sash talks#dunmeshi#kabru of utaya#genuinely . npd and dp/dr and ocd coding with him is strong.#like everyone knows hes gotta be autistic#but like his whole flavor of ptsd and childhood trauma specifically#makes him so complex . in terms of personality disorderism.#like ppl talk abt how he ' metagames ' social interaction sm because he thinks if he can do it in that lense#it'd be easier for him#genuinely anthropology / sociology special interest#the stims / gesturing#but he also reminds me a lot of like. reigen arataka who def has autism + adhd + npd#where he like . puts ppl on a certain standard / criteria that he judges#the way he's so prideful of his ability to judge other ppl.#and the way he crashes and goes back and forth when he learns he's wrong#the way his disappointment drives him to compromise#the way he's like. that#he's so npd coded it drives me crazy that only a couple ppl mention it#even though it serves as like a great point of comparison#to laios' sometimes self-centered yet low self-esteem !#and to mithrun with his npd and his current lack of drive due to the (redacted) 3#like !! this man ( kabru ) is genuinely so full of . neuroses#npd + autism + ocd + gemini (lol) + osdd possibly (dissociative disorders in general) + bpd#he could even have aspd or hpd swag but i can't say much on that#unless i get peer reviewed by the fellow cluster b with aspd or hpd ahaha
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Dude I don’t know where you’re getting this information that 13-14 guys can’t be tall at all. Literally every guy in my freshman high school grade (13-15 year olds) were all 5’6-6’0 at the beginning of the school year and they were all actively growing taller as the year went by. Letting people think Nico is average height or tall is not hurting nobody and you are still entitled to your opinion that Nico can be short. I believe all of Nico’s of various heights can coexist peacefully.
I did say "average" height and was only referring to the fact that Nico's canon height is never explicitly stated. Anyways allow me to rephrase:
my grievances only lie with the wiki for being baselessly wrong. tall nico headcanoners i have no beef with you understand i am simply being silly goofy on my blog mwah mwah
#ask#Anonymous#i just think it's fun to acknowledge that people have gotten taller in recent generations#so Nico's generation is short by comparison#nico grumbling that he's average height by his standards#and like. idk in canon he's short. whatever. do whatever you want. i ignore canon all the time#quite frankly Rick wrote some lame-to-terrible stuff at times that i do not wish to acknowledge#some of it because it is blatantly offensive. some because he is simply Wrong. others because i just feel like it#that is the beauty of fandom and i will never tell anybody what they can or cannot do#except for people trying to insist something is canon to prove themself correct when it's not. cause that's rude#nico's height is canon is a vague ''shortish'' but also char heights are wildly all over the place anyways#theres no numbers it could mean anything. just scale Michael appropriately in comparison#so who fuckin knows. go wild. i'm not your boss#im just here. i just go here.#there's a reason i differentiate ''coded'' vs ''canon'' (heavy quotation marks) vs ''headcanon'' vs ''theory'' vs ''extrapolation''#which is a whole fascinating literary analysis vs fandom thing you could get into but i am probably the only one who finds that interesting#short version: canon is simply a liminal state do whatever you want forever#and please never take anything from my blog as strict fandom law or something i'm just saying shit. i just do this for fun.
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ttpd is sooo fascinating on an artistic level because on the one hand we have this somewhat stagnant production style that does not really elevate the songs or themes and rehashes the soundscapes of past album releases, and on the other hand the lyricism in part feels derivative of artists who might not exist without Taylor paving their way through her confessional songwriting. there is a sense of Being Stuck on this record that would lend itself well to thorough analysis, but instead every other negative ttpd review feels like a takedown of Taylor Swift The Person.
#i think one thing most reviewers agree on is the production feeling underwhelming#though this - as well as this post in general - is partially a subjective assessment#but yea. ttpd fascinating little thing.#and the artists that i feel it is derivative of are phoebe and ethel cain who both have gotten taylor comparisons#and lana and florence although they Did Their Thing first#idk man fucks me up that nobody talks about this in a way that is genuinely intrigued#fantano review made me so annoyed at some point it's just not music criticism anymore
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I don't think i can properly explain this but I feel a clear distinction between how older fans interpret and headcanon captain swan and how younger/gen z fans do it and I can usually tell roughly how old someone is from their views of the ship dynamic
#literally no clear reason for this#i go off of the vines tbf#one explanation ig would be that older fans have a more traditional cishet m/f view#while younger fans are like “shes mommy and he's babygirl”#it's not a negative comparison btw !!#i just think the different generational viewpoints are fascinating to see side by side
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remembering on my circa 2017 booklr I used to tell people to read Gemma Doyle by describing it as trc but with an all girls boarding school / all girl group in a historical setting… I was trying to do the lord’s work she deserved tumblr fame
#I do think that was an oversimplification of both but. Not totally off base there are some similar char tropes used I’m proud of past me for#the attempt. Also I think I’m going to start advocating for Diviners in that way now that trc fandom is apparently quite miserable post GW#you like gay people doing dream magic? you like witchcraft and ghosts and strong ensemble casts?#you like an ambitious abuse survivor getting a healing arc with learning to control magic/psychic abilities as a metaphor? you like four#book series where the first three books rock and the last book which is named king + corvid is a bit underwhelm who said that?#a positive point in diviners favor is Ling x Wei Mei >>>> RonanKavinsky. Generally find the take on dream magic in diviners more compelling#(although LingHenry + RonanHennessy both being mlm wlw duos who are the dreamers is kinda fun)#anyway. This is not actually a fair comparison because Ling is my fav or at least top two w Theta of the leads and I love Ronan but he is m#least favorite of the trc leads of which there are four all of whom I love so it says nothing bad about him. But it does put me as an#outlier re: fandom priorities..#on the flip side while I love diviners dynamics sadly I don’t think they ever come anywhere close to Gangsey levels of extreme codependency#so I can not care quite as much….#from what I remember the girls in Gemma Doyle are a lot more codependent good for them. Would have to reread to compare codependency levels#Ling and Theta are both my favorite in diviners in the same way Blue and Adam are my favorite in trc and Abed and Annie are both my fav for#community. basically one char who I love and overidentify with (Ling/Blue/Abed) and one char I love who in many ways I’m not like#but in a handful of very niche specific ways I also relate quite a bit. And am fascinated with (Theta/Adam/Annie)#s speaks#very off topic from my initial point which was you should read Libba Bray’s books#and in both cases I have a second and a half tier fav (Evie/Gansey/Britta) who I love fictionally but if I was trapped in a room w them I’d#kill myself. with the white blonde women I’d also want to make out w them debatable if that makes it better or worse#but like. I could not stand listening to them speak for that long I know this#Gansey might just die a third time by my hands…
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Spinel's kind of fascination with Friede..
I wonder if he is done playing with him for now (he said Friede was still worth playing with, which sure was a line of dialogue to have him say), or if he was "happy" when Friede got out of his trap in HZ044 and surpassed him in that one moment because it meant they were equals.
#in general i like thinking about the two of them because they are similar in some ways and act as foils#both fascinated by mysteries and curious/researchers.. both having a cunning side to them which shows through in different ways..#it's just that friede is a good person so there are lines he won't cross but spinel will cross those lines#i love spinel's fascination with friede because while he has some personal ties to other characters it goes back to the mysteries/plot etc.#(like his beef with amethio possibly stemming from gibeon's connection to him. though we still don't have the specifics etc)#so his thing with friede stands out a bit in comparison. friede is the leader of the rvt sure#but messing with him doesn't bring him specific answers related to rakurium/etc?#so it almost comes off as cute that he went out of his way to mess with friede in ep 54 <3 getting some kind of personal satisfaction?#on top of personally getting the eternal blessing from it.#like aww. he just wanted to play with friede. do you still wish to play with him? do you have plans regarding that?#i think maybe spinel got something out of friede escaping his trap.. friede showing he could challenge him/be his equal#which is amusing to me. because i think that friede specifically enjoys his rivalry with amethio#because amethio can challenge him/be his equal in battle#so my interpretation is that friede and spinel both potentially take out the same thing out of these dynamics#like idk. i'm thinking about it and spinel didn't have to keep playing with friede in such an elaborate way#i do wonder if he'll still seek him out.. it felt like he had his fun and now is going back to his plans with agate#but maybe they'll cross paths again. who knows#hz044#friede#spinel#character notes#episode notes
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#I’m always a little fascinated by this#bc see I feel like I’m really lucky in general#with fic engagement on my ao3 in terms of comments etc#but that very rarely crosses over to tumblr (save for notes on the original fic post i guess)#whereas I look at other blogs sometimes who get So Much engagement on tumblr about their writing#where they'll get dozens of asks and replies on a regular basis about their wips/new fics they've posted#but then that isn't always reflected on ao3 in comparison#anyway this isn't prompted by anything other than the fact that i started making polls and now i want to hear opinions on Everything lmao#except actually i was scrolling back in my asks tag recently to find something from years ago#and i forgot how much tumblr interaction i used to have about my skam fics#and that *definitely* wasn't translating to my ao3 for the first few i posted#but anyway yeah reblog and let me know in the tags lmao#writing adventures
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its wild that i apparently have 44 jonmartin fics bookmarked because i cannot recall a single one
#well i can recall. one.#its fascinating how fast i stopped thinking about jonmartin once tma ended considering how into tma i was#i usually tend to revisit things i like.....#its me talking#other ships are here for comparison but mostly cause i think its funny how narumitsu is completely unbeatable#there are ships that i am/was into WAY more than some of these but i simply dont read that much fic about#also im pretty sure i can recall from memory the plot/general vibe of every single narumitsu fic ive got saved
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it's fascinating how romanticized the image of michael schumacher is, at least when you're new to f1 and don't really know anything other than that he's one of the (if not the) greatest of all times, a record holder and just a legend. but the way ppl talk about him nowadays it's as if they're hiding awat his, let's say it more dirty side. as a driver and teammate that is, not as a person. how ruthless he was, the mindgames he played, how he pushed the limits and stepped over them. drove on the edge like that. short with interviewers/media at times. maybe not always, but it happened. he made f1 change the rulebook. does this remind you of another f1 driver about him as a driver, i only ever heard about his records and all the things he accomplished during his career. which i guess is the only thing that is remembered. and that the more time passes, the controversies are forgotten. to everyone except the ones who were there when it happened or the ones who sit down and actually read about someone
#like i had no idea that there's a controversy surrounding his first championship#all i got told as a new fan was that he's taken seven titles#and that he was so great#today it's unavoidable the controversy around the 2021 wdc#but maybe in 30 years all that will be said is that max won x titles#and the asterisk that's attached to it right now will be gone#who knows#and also the similarities between max and michael are fascinating#someone how knows more than me should make a comparison#bc all of this is based on listening to a few podcasts about michael#and then what i've heard from the fandom and media in general#so it might be all bullshit#not the mindgames though! i heard nico talk about them at two different instances with different ppl
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As someone who was very curious as to how Mammon was going to be presented in Helluva Boss, you can probably imagine I was looking through the new episode very closely.
And while I may have been off the mark with my theory that Mammon would follow the trend of Asmodeus and Beelzebub and NOT actually be antagonistic, I nonetheless think it is VERY interesting how Vivzie and the team handled and presented him.
Specifically, in just how PETTY Mammon is shown to be in this episode.
Like really think about what you might generally expect from a character like Mammon just from a basic background description: He is one of the seven rulers of Hell, lord of the seven rings and embodiment of GREED. Likely a fallen angel who helped to create hell as it exists today, is matched in power only by his five fellow Sins, and is functionally only truly outranked by Lucifer himself.
And yet, Mammon’s characterization in this episode presents him as this petty, selfish, manipulative asshole interested in little more than money and attention. He acts more like a shitty, full-of-himself asshole celebrity than a demon lord. Just look at how he manipulates Fizzerolli, not through lording power and authority over him but through emotional coercion like an abusive parent, ex-, or boss, which is precisely WHAT he is presented as. fi
What makes this even more interesting is that despite Mammon being characterized as Fizz’s petty, manipulative boss, we nonetheless see him display all the POWER and experience we’d expect from one of the seven rulers of Hell. Asmodeus mentions earlier in the episode that he’s known Mammon ‘since the START of Hell’, confirming they were both involved in its creation, and when the two square off at the end, it’s clear that Mammon is very much Ozzie’s EQUAL in power, and that everyone else present is pretty much an insect in comparison.
This is what I think makes the inclusion of that one creepy, obsessive fan of Fizzerolli’s in this episode so significant; he serves as a point of comparison to Mammon.
For all the power and authority that he might wield, Mammon is characterized as being no different/better than a creepy, manipulative, entitled and obsessive stalker.
I think this might be the true common ‘thru-line’ connecting all of the seven sins through Helluva Boss and possibly even Hazbin Hotel: That despite essentially being ‘God-Emperors’ of Hell and outclassed in power likely only by the most powerful angels of Heaven itself, the seven sins are characterized in a very grounded, down-to-earth and for lack of a better term, ‘human’ way.
All the times we’ve seen them, Ozzie, Bee and Mam haven’t presented themselves as these all-powerful beings lording themselves over their subjects like we might expect or even what we’ve seen of the Goetic nobility. They don’t present themselves as ‘royalty’ but rather more like celebrity performers, which is certainly in keeping with Vivzie’s comments about how Hell is meant to represent a circus.
It really gives this fascinating dichotomy to the Sins as characters, where they’re presented as these big wacky celebrities with big, over-the-top personas which in turn hide very grounded, down-to-earth people underneath. While at the same time still being these monstrously powerful and ancient beings whose dominion over Hell is entirely uncontested.
It also gives them a nice contrast with the Goetic Nobility and the Sinner Overlords. Like those two groups actually do act and present themselves like demonic ‘royalty’ who lord themselves over those considered ‘beneath’ them, while in reality they’re at best the ‘middle-managers’, and instead it’s these wacky characters who are the TRUE masters of Hell.
It may even continue into what we might see in Hazbin Hotel, what with Charlie being this bubbly, happy-go-lucky Disney-esque princess who also may very well have power outclassing literally EVERYONE else in the show apart from her parents.
Overall, I loved this episode and I think we may now have a good idea what we might expect from the other Sins, and possibly even Lucifer himself in Hazbin Hotel.
#helluva boss#helluva boss analysis#mammon#helluva mammon#asmodeus#helluva asmodeus#beelzebub#helluva beelzebub#fizzarolli#helluva fizzarolli#expectation subversion
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(DCXDP) The obligations of a rogue versus those of a parent (Pt. 5)
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Tw: torture scene (GiW agent receiving), general angst, canon-typical violence (DC), nobody is having a good time
Will be crossposted to AO3 eventually
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It was pretty easy for Danny to forget that Dr. Crane was a rogue at times.
Most of the time he wasn’t comically evil, like what he’d expect of a Gotham rogue. He was helping Danny, even if only because he didn’t want to be taken in by the GiW as well. He was even downright nice most of the time, or at least neutral.
Sure, he had a strange obsession with fear and psychology, but that wasn’t really out of the ordinary for Danny. It didn’t feel like living with a rogue, just like…staying with a distant relative, or something.
He seemed like just an ordinary person.
Today, though, Danny was brought back to reality.
The GiW agent they’d tracked down together writhed on the ground, screaming in pain and terror. Scarecrow was sat a few feet away, setting up a syringe of the antidote he’d made.
After a few more moments, he injected the man with the antidote, watching him like a hawk the entire time.
Suddenly, the man surged forward, lunging at Scarecrow with a feral scream.
Unluckily for him, though, he was still weak from the fear toxin in his system, and from the beatings he’d received prior. Scarecrow easily wrestled him to the ground, settling himself on the broad part of the agent’s back with a vice grip on one of his arms.
“Let’s try again,” he said sharply, all of the warmth Danny had grown used to gone from his voice. “Where is the GiW base of operations?”
The agent took several shuddering breaths before spitting at Scarecrow, defiance and hatred written all over his face.
For just a moment, the room was utterly silent.
“Fine, have it your way.”
Scarecrow began to twist the man’s arm further. It wasn’t long before the agent began to squirm, then writhe, beneath him. Danny’s stomach churned.
“You know,” Scarecrow began, almost conversationally, “there are plenty of jobs that one can get without the use of their legs, especially with the level of education you have. Anything that doesn’t involve hard labor, really.”
The man’s face was beginning to turn red in his struggle not to scream. He took in gasping breaths, the way that his mouth moved almost reminding Danny of a goldfish.
(He felt awful for the comparison, but it was true.)
“However,” Scarecrow continued, “I find you’d be rather hard-pressed to find a job without the use of your arms. Especially in a place like Gotham, where you can always be replaced by someone eager to do your job for even less money. Of course, you could most likely coast off of savings and severance pay for a while, but…”
He leaned closer to the man’s head, his voice lowering.
“Would you be able to live like that? To live with yourself, if you no longer have a purpose?”
He allowed the agent a few seconds of rest before increasing the pressure on his arm. The agent gasped, letting out a strangled hiss. His arm bones were making fascinating noises in response to the strain. Danny felt sick.
“You seem like a rather driven young man. I’m sure your family would hate to see you unmotivated, directionless. Would they resent you, do you think?”
“Fuck you, you—”
The man was cut off by his own scream as Scarecrow finally allowed his arm to break, audibly splintering into thousands of useless shards of bone.
He had the exact pressure memorized. Clearly, he had done this before.
This was wrong. This was wrong.
Shouldn’t Danny step in, do something?
“That won’t heal cleanly. Even with the best medical care in the world, you’ll end up with permanent damage.”
The man below him wheezed and sobbed, choking on air as Scarecrow let go of his arm carelessly, letting it flop back onto the ground.
“Just the sort of thing something like you deserves,” Scarecrow hissed, his voice cold.
“You tortured a child, and you enjoyed it. You laughed with your friends about it. In your notes, one of your friends complained about the screaming,” Scarecrow brought his leg around, grinding his boot into the man’s broken arm. He howled in agony, writhing uncontrollably.
“Was it inconvenient to him, do you think? Too loud? If you were joking about it, clearly you thought so, too. I could fix that as well.”
He drew out another needle, this one once again filled with fear toxin.
“Scarecrow, wait,” Danny choked out.
Scarecrow turned to look at him.
Even his posture was different than usual. He looked… stiff, more like an animal than a man. When he tilted his head at Danny in a silent question, it looked like something in his neck had snapped, his head lolling to the side.
Danny wondered if he was consciously moving like that, or if it was habit at this point.
“You—we don’t have to do this. We can get information some other way, right? You don’t have to…”
Danny looked down at the GiW agent below Scarecrow. He didn’t even have it in him to glare up at Danny like he had before. Instead he laid limply on the ground, tremors rolling through his body uncontrollably.
“We’ve exhausted every other option and you know it,” Scarecrow said, his voice low, “this is the only way we can move forward.”
“Still, I—I don’t,” Danny swallowed, his throat tight, “this isn’t—this isn’t right. Isn’t there some other way to do this? Like—a truth serum, or something?��
“Truth serums are notoriously unreliable. They’re almost as bad as lie detectors. We’re much more likely to get a reliable result from this.”
Danny just stared at the GiW agent and his splintered, ruined arm. He began to weakly wriggle in Scarecrow’s grasp, which was graciously ignored.
He vaguely remembered himself doing the same thing when he was on the operating table; even if he knew there was no chance of escape, he still thrashed and screamed, desperate to get away. The jagged I-shaped incision on his torso felt uncomfortably warm.
What was there left to say?
“The Bat does the same thing at times, you know,” Scarecrow said, “him and the rest of his brood. By using my toxin, I’m actually lessening the amount of permanent damage that I’m doing. Physically.”
“Still, that doesn’t make it right,” Danny said desperately. “Even if—even if everyone in the world did this, it wouldn’t make it right.”
Scarecrow hummed.
They were both silent for a moment.
His next words were gentle, absurdly so when compared to the scene in front of him.
“I would love an alternative. But…”
He shrugged, hand coming to rest on the break in the GiW agent’s arm. Even without applying any pressure, the man stopped squirming immediately.
“There aren’t any other options,” Danny repeated, his voice flat and his body numb.
“Yes,” Scarecrow said. “I’m sorry.”
There was a pause. No one moved a muscle. Eventually Scarecrow spoke again, his voice strangely empty.
“You can stand outside and keep watch, if you’d like. At such a short distance their radars won’t pick us up.”
Danny said nothing, leaving the room silently.
He sat outside for quite a while.
He was grateful that Scarecrow had, with his help, dragged the agent to one of his previous hideouts. It was soundproofed, after all.
He was glad that he didn’t have to hear the rest of what Scarecrow did to the man.
After what felt like an eternity, Dr. Crane left the building, joining him outside. He guided Danny back to his beat up old truck and they drove home in silence.
“Did you at least…do you know where they are, now?” Danny asked as they entered the apartment, his voice small.
“They didn’t share the details of all of their locations with any one person. I know where one of their locations are, but not their main base of operations.”
Danny felt disgusted. With himself, with Dr. Crane, with the GiW.
He was disgusted by the agent, too. Did he just hate the restless dead so much that he would prefer to be tortured than to give them the upper hand? Did he really think he was in the right?
Was there a chance that he was?
Danny felt very, very small, and very stupid. Stupid and weak and cowardly.
“Danny,” Dr. Crane spoke, his voice soft.
“I’m truly sorry that this is happening to you. I really, truly wish that you didn’t have to endure my company. I…”
He fell quiet. Danny wondered if he was just saying this to pacify him, or if he truly meant it. He wondered if it really mattered in the end.
After a few moments of silence, Dr. Crane sighed, looking truly pained.
“I don’t know. I’m sorry.”
Danny was quiet.
“I’m going to bed early,” he finally said, turning away and leaving without a second glance.
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#dcxdp#dc x dp#dp x dc#dpxdc#dp x dc crossover#dc x dp fic#liminal scarecrow#this kinda shit is how the fic got its name btw.#like yeah obviously it’s also in reference to the contrast between crane and danny’s actual parents#but it’s also about doing what you need to survive vs what is best for the people dependent on you#tshirt that says I love moral quandaries I love when no matter what you do you lose I love torturing characters#Scarecrow: why isn’t torturing everyone who wronged you healing this child. it worked for ME#meanwhile Danny is undergoing the torment nexus#and red hood is doing some doomguy shit#getting swarmed by GiW agents bc he’s one of the only ones showing up on the radar#Tucker voice Wow Mr red hood this is kinda fucked up. can I use the bat computer to hack the pentagon btw
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