#that’s not caring about victims. that’s having a moral superiority complex!

[monsterfuckermilligan]

a rant

this is semi personal lmao but it still kinda pisses me off that i was blocked and unfriended (because we were genuinely friends!) by a mutual who i’ve had for like a year because i’m ship and let ship live while also not being a wincestie or shipping winkline. and the reason that this pisses me off is because more than one of our mutual friends is the same way but because i answered a winkline ask and went “idc” and told a wincestie they can interact with my blog, then i’m dmed and told my beliefs go against their morals.

[elysianymph]

🔥 anything about sirius because i am being a little hater towards some characterisations too

i've already talked your ears off about this on discord but i'm happy to talk to about it again bc i fucking HATE new sirius black with a burning passion. i hate him as much as i love my sirius black that marauderstok can pry from my cold dead hands bc i'm not letting him go. i don't know when it happened and why but marauders fans are particularly persistent on taking away any interesting traits sirius had and leaving behind a whimpering pathetic twink that cries when someone looks at him the wrong way. sirius has been scrubbed clean of any morally grey traits he might've had (he's not allowed to care for his family (unless it's regulus) or long for them bc they are bad, he's not allowed to have any prejudices even though he was literally raised with pureblood mentality and taught he was superior to everyone else from the day he was born, he's not allowed to be an asshole bc he's not like his family guys!! and when he is an asshole it's always used to victimize the character he's being an asshole to and sirius is painted as the villain with mommy issues that can only be fixed by getting dicked down apparently)

i cannot stress this enough: LET THIS MAN BE A COMPLEX CHARACTER!! and no, giving him mental illnesses that miraculously disappear when he gets together with remus and making him attempt to kill himself post prank because he feels bad is NOT making him complex! you're just weird. you're just romanticizing mental illnesses and i can't believe you don't see anything wrong with it. giving him bipolar to justify his actions is?? not??? representation??? it's offensive to people who actually have to deal with these issues in their day to day lives and yet here you are using something that will impact their life forever as a plot device for your uwu sadboy mlm fanfic.

and that's what new sirius boils down to. he's a plot device, an accessory to everyone else's story that's never given much depth other than "oh his mom used the cruciatus on him and now he's traumatized". no hate to jegulus but hate to specific jegulus fics that turn sirius into an overdramatic caricature of his former self for the sake of drama and angst.

also, some of these wolfstar shippers... wtf are you guys on?? idk when and why (that's a lie i do but i'm not gonna say it) remus became sirius black in a werewolf costume but here we are. oh sirius was cool and effortlessly smart and handsome and girls wanted him? well guess what? snatches all of those character traits and throws them onto remus they're his character traits now. ignore how it doesn't make any sense for the werewolf child who was isolated from the rest of the world to be a smooth talking alpha casanova who plays basketball actually. while we're at it, ignore how unrealistic it is for a boy who was raised in a family that believed they were superior to everyone else based on blood status, who was raised to be the perfect heir and checked off all the traits needed to be one to be insecure?? and unsure of himself?? and stupid??? and a loser??? i don't understand what the point of flipping the wolfstar dynamic was when you're left with a shallow copy of the original but ok. you do you ig.

to summarize, my sirius is cool and effortlessly smart and egotistical and a complete asshole who thinks he's the best thing ever. is it an act to cover up how damaged he thinks he is because of his family? possibly. but i also fully believe sirius thought he was a god amongst men and everyone should be glad to be in his presence. he talked down to other people because he considered himself smarter, he rolled his eyes when students asked stupid questions and made fun of them when they got an answer wrong. he's a teenage boy let him be a dick with no excuses.

(also i find it funny when people write about sirius getting into a fight with james or remus and crying because they said something mean. as if sirius wouldn't throw hands the moment someone started criticizing him. he's toxic and that's what makes him interesting. that's his purpose! characters exist to make stories interesting, to start drama, not to be your moral guide on how to act. stories become so much more fun once you let go of the need to make every character a good person. also liking a character doesn't equal liking them as a person. i love sirius but i would hate his guts irl)

[aghostwithnoname]

Official Fuck Raphael/Hope Appreciation Post

Okay, so this is probably going to upset people but I don't care. I'm real sick of this "Raphael is so hot" BS. Like, firstly, that man is MID at best. Secondly, are we not gonna talk about the fact this man is a certified abuser in every sense of the word? Like, sure he's sweet-talking and clever (most abusers are imo). Newsflash: real monsters are rarely people you find unattractive!!!

What really grinds my gears is that you can stumble on Raphael making a deal with a literal child re: my sweet baby Mol and people are like, "but he's hot though". You can walk through his fucking house filled with all the poor bastards who never stood a chance making a deal with him, stuck forever being punished for their "sins", and people will be like, "Omg, my little cringe man" like??? (Holy god, that whole quest fucked so hard with my religious trauma.)

But if not the BIGGEST fucking red flag for this public adoration of Raphael is how he's treated Hope. It's like to them, she doesn't even exist!! Like, my girl has been stuck in that House of Horrors for gods know how long, still refusing to give into his charms and his sweetly worded promises of power (unlike Korilla, who gladly abuses her sister for Raphael). And Hope helps you because for once, she finally sees a way out. The personal notes kept by Raphael on Hope's torment that you can find throughout the house are difficult to read: he tried to break her in the most insidious of ways. He was physically, emotionally, and mentally abusive to her, purely for his pleasure. Purely for the reason that he finds it amusing that he can literally torment Hope in hell.

I get that we don't have to morally approve of every character we like! For comparison on liking "bad" characters, say what you want about Astarion -- He's not a great guy! He's done some pretty bad shit! BUT he was FORCED to do all of those things by Cazador. (Also, kindly fuck the Cazador apologists, seriously.) Astarion's jaded selfishness is not who he really is, which is slowly revealed when you show respect for his personal autonomy and literally the smallest amount of kindness, whether or not you romance him. Raphael, on the other hand, wants to hurt people because it feeds into his "Daddy Mephistopheles didn't give me enough attention" superiority complex -- and tbh, that's just fucking pathetic.

The REAL OG who you all should be praising is Hope.

She has been tormented for centuries. She has been victimized by her own flesh and blood for her abuser. She has been shattered and ground down into her smallest pieces until there's almost nothing left… and yet, she hopes. She hopes for freedom. She hopes that her sister will return to being the person she so fondly remembers from her childhood. She hopes she can trust you, in spite of everything she's been through. Not to mention, when you do free her, Hope is literally one of the most badass companions you can have to help you win that fight! (For all these reasons and more, she reminds me a bit of my other fav girl Karlach.)

The reason Raphael delights in torturing Hope is because hope is a dangerous thing to have when all seems lost -- and that's the entire fucking point. This scared shitless little man sought to bend Hope to his will because her persistence/resistance threatened him, and by the gods, she is my favorite NPC because of that.

As someone who has been abused, by other people, by insidious ideologies, I can never ever, ever side with someone who so clearly mimics the very things that tried to break me and kill what remained of my hope. I see myself in Hope. Her indecision, her fear, as she dares to believe freedom is a possibility. The way her dialogue is delivered (much kudos to her voice actor) directly mimics that same scared voice in my head that second guesses myself, that worries I am not enough, that my abusers were right, that I wasn't ever deserving of happiness or being alive -- and then that same scared voice cuts through it all and screams to survive out of spite, to live happily as the best form of revenge.

Again, I get that we don't have to morally approve of every character we like! I totally understand it -- but I also want you all to expend some critical thinking as to perhaps WHY so many people are fawning over a man who is so clearly is a thinly veiled piece of shit over a woman who dared to challenge him, suffered for it, and emerged victorious.

Hope is fucking amazing. She is a gods-damned survivor. She is fury and vengeance and sorrow and joy all at once. She stays in hell to help the other souls tormented and abused by Raphael. She asks that you visit her some time. She strives to create a home of out the house that was her prison… and truly, I hope every day to be more like her.

[sokkastyles]

Do you think the "Air Temple preschool" line in TSR was racist? I see all these posts saying Zuko still has a lot to unlearn from his FN propaganda, and it's like... this is the one time I legitimately feel it's not that deep. It's clearly an ideological difference and not Zuko saying that Fire Nation philosophies are better or something. But what do you think?

How could anyone argue that this is Zuko saying Fire Nation philosophies are better when he literally said a few episodes ago that FN philosophies were lies?

It's also disingenuous to take this as Zuko disagreeing with Air Nomad philosophy in general, because that isn't what the discussion is about. The discussion is about what Katara should do in the specific situation they are in. Aang can certainly believe what he wants, but he does not have a right to tell Katara that she'll be poisoned by hatred if she doesn't forgive the man who murdered her mother just because that's what he believes. This argument that Zuko was being "racist" by not agreeing with Aang sounds a lot like conservative christians who think they are being discriminated against by not being allowed to tell anyone who isn't christian that they're going to hell. Aang has a right to his beliefs, he doesn't have a right to tell others what to believe, and he was being condescending to Katara about something that is a source of trauma for her.

It's also less the "air temple" part and more the "preschool" part that is important in Zuko's comment. He's saying that Aang's statements are simplifying a complex issue, because they are. Aang also should not be taken as the sole authority on Air Nomad culture and beliefs, he is one person. He's the only one left, which is awfully convenient when he wants to use those beliefs to appear morally superior, isn't it? But that's a bad faith argument because we don't know whether all the Air Nomads would agree, and given that the reason Aang is the only one left to speak for them is because they were all murdered by the same evil that caused Katara's trauma - and Zuko's to an extent - the very premise that they would all agree with Aang and be endlessly forgiving is kinda shitty, since they never had that chance. Aang can only interpret his people's beliefs, he can't speak for them, and he also was not as directly affected by the genocide because of his Avatar powers sparing him from having to witness it. Even if Aang is remembering something he was told by Monk Gyatso, who's to say what the man himself thought in his last moments, surrounded by firebenders bent on destroying his entire culture? Aang certainly doesn't because he was not there.

What Zuko says about "preschool," should also call to mind where each of these characters are coming from. Of the three of them, Aang was lucky enough to have an idyllic childhood where he was taken care of and was taught and shown forgiveness and nonviolence. Which doesn't mean he doesn't also have trauma over losing his people, but it should be obvious why Katara and Zuko would be a little resentful at being told that they are letting themselves be poisoned by violence, because neither of them had a choice about it as children who were victims of violence.

And on Zuko "still having a lot to learn"? Of course he does, and he actively chooses to learn better, but that doesn't mean he has to always agree with Aang about everything and he's not learning anything if he's exchanging one set of beliefs where he doesn't get to have a voice for another. Zuko also is learning that he has a right to be angry about what was done to him so he has good reason to not want to listen to Aang right now.

[darklinaforever]

https://www.tumblr.com/darklinaforever/744938045901570048/every-time-i-see-an-imbecile-who-thinks-hes?source=share

The blacks take the discourse around imaginary characters too seriously. We are not peasants in Westeros to take care of who has more rights to the throne. If the greens seem to me to be more interesting characters (my subjective opinion), I choose them and consider Aegon king - not because he is worthy of the throne and not because he has more rights, but because the motivation of the greens to usurp the throne seems convincing to me. What's the problem? People may have different opinions. Surprise - it's normal.

Are the Greens' motivations to usurp the throne convincing ? They usurped the throne because they were power hungry and misogynistic, simple as that. Also, what's your problem, Greens stans, with stalking my account to send a message every time I talk about your darling Greens ? But you shouldn't stalk enough, because you always have to skip the messages or am I saying that we shouldn't be judged for fictitious tastes ? It's the Greens who generally come to me with stupid moral superiority. I've always said there's nothing wrong with liking the Greens for what they are, which is good villains (and there are some and thank goodness because they are not delusional at least). In my post, I specifically talk about people who say that the two teams are equal or that it is the people who count. Things that are simply wrong. And these are people who exist. If you're not one of those people, why would you feel affected ? Why send me a private message that has nothing to do with the subject ? Do you like the Greens because you find them (for some reason that goes over my head) interesting ? Good for you, but that wasn't the subject of my post. Honestly, stop pissing me off with your stupid messages. Yes, because the delusion of "black stans take it all too seriously" makes me laugh softly, when most of us receive tons of private messages explaining how "complex" the Greens are "deep" and "victims" when team Blacks are apparently “horrible”. So we have to stop with this bullshit argument too. Especially when the only thing Blacks stans do is tell the truth. The goal of the dance is to show that a woman has been usurped by misogyny. The Greens and Blacks are not equal. The people are not the main subject of this story. The Greens are simply the villains / antagonists of the story, while the Blacks are the protagonists, made up of antis heroes /complex characters and heroes. If this bothers you this much, there is a problem. Essentially, the "so-and-so person takes the fictional thing too seriously" excuse is a lousy argument to encourage non-reflection. Anyway, let the Greens stans stop messaging me.

[bohemian-nights]

It was bad enough when Daemyra stans were trying to say Nettles was just a “plot device” and should be cut from the show or replaced with Rhaena, but now some Green stans are trying to reduce her characterization and significance to the narrative as well 🤦🏽‍♀️I can’t emphasize this enough, Nettles is not just some downtrodden teenage girl that Daemon screwed.

Nettles is the only canonically Black character in Fire & Blood. She’s possibly the only non-Valyrian dragon rider that we know of. She claimed a dragon not with blood ties or magic, but with her own cleverness. She tamed Sheepstealer, a wild dragon who had never had a rider before. Who killed numerous dragonseeds before her. She comes from absolutely nothing. She survives the dance, and she is worshipped as a freaking fire goddess. Her story begins and ends independently of Daemon.

At any rate, there is nothing wrong with Daemon and Nettles' romantic relationship. Fans are underestimating its importance to the story. Yeah, the age gap can be questionable, as well as the power dynamics, but Daemon does actually put Nettles first above everyone. Above everything. She helps him to realize the possibility that Valyrian supremacy is built on a lie. That there is more to life than power or the Iron Throne. You are more than your blood or your name and she shows that.

Nettles is his light. Daemon is not a morally gray character without her. Daemon and Rhaenyra was never supposed to be a love story. Rhaenyra was a tyrant(and yeah it’s partially Daemon’s fault) by the time Daemon and Nettles became lovers. Hell, he was already "cheating" on her with Mysaria. If he had stuck by his wife’s side what kind of man would he be? If he had gone back to Rhaenyra or let her orders for Nettles' head be executed in a bid to remain “loyal” to her and her cause, what does that say about him?

He would have have never progressed as a character. He would have remained a conniving overly ambitious man with a superiority complex willing to use and trample over innocents for a throne.

Daemon genuinely cares for Nettles. For the first time in her life, she has someone willing to do everything for her. He loves her. Unselfishly. In a way, I would say that they liberate one another from fear and dogma. So no, she doesn’t need “saving” from him. Nettles isn’t Daemon’s poor unfortunate victim.

You dislike Daemon or whatever fine, but don’t bring Nettles into it as a “gotcha moment.” Nettles can stand on her own. She’s not a good-time girl. She’s not some little girl being misused. She doesn’t serve to make Daemon look more villainous. She’s not some trivial character that can be replaced by another in the show just because they now happen to share the same skin tone.

She is an important character in her own right. She has her own story. Her relationship with Daemon is not one based on grooming or abuse. Let Nettles be complex. Let her be loved. See her as someone who is vulnerable yet resilient and capable. See her as her own force. Put some respect on Netty’s name👏🏽

[ca-suffit]

It's always v funny when showmey0urfangs tries to reduce the show to "they're all monsters!" and "it's gothic romance!" and acts so unbothered by things when she's the one who has been burning this fandom to the ground most of all. If that wasn't trying to be morally superior to everyone then what do u call it? I post things in full context here and I can make arguments for everything I write. She's known for making Fandom PSAs of mostly black fans who were discussing the racial elements of the show, posting out of context screencaps from personal, untagged posts, and telling everyone to block them and hate on them bcuz of...shipping issues or w/e. U can find links to a few different things about her on this post.

It's always fucking crazy to me how these white fandom (a mindset, not a skin color) Anne Rice motherfuckers will always talk about these stories as if they have no familiarity with Anne Rice. I hate Anne Rice as a person but the only reason she's famous is bcuz she humanized vampires. Why can't her actual fans see this?? She gave vampires the ability to experience an existential crisis. She enhanced human emotions through them. *That* is the appeal of them. To keep wiping all of that away bcuz *actually* looking at themes of abuse and letting ppl explore them how they will is too much for u is childish. To say that discussion of things like rape--a theme *famously* part of the Vampire Chronicles throughout--is acting like the cops or w/e is....I'm sorry, she's middle aged??

I might not agree with all the takes she listed but it's not bcuz of a feeling of moral superiority that ppl talk about these things. A lot of it is ppl projecting their own traumas. Some of it's also racism. It's a lot of things but....not rly ever trying to be morally superior and calling everyone else perverts, where tf did u even get that??? It's been around here and there but it's *not* the prime reason ppl talk about this stuff. If my inbox is anything to go by, ppl also are looking for guidance on how to feel about these things bcuz they're not used to seeing complex characters and stories like this. These discussions should be allowed to happen without shame on either side jfc.

The show also incorporates racial discussions now too, something she also hates like hell even though she's a black woman. She uses her identity to tell ppl it's okay to not talk about race and then she uses her PSAs otherwise to try and publicly shame ppl even more about it. She kisses white fandom's ass and all of them think like this. This is the group most ppl flock to bcuz it takes no serious thought to involve urself in them. All they care about is shipping and never looking deeper than that, grouping together to bully everyone around them who doesn't think the same and then play victim v loudly to distract from the fact that it's always been *them* doing it. They've rly shut up since this account has been here and they haven't tried much of shit with me bcuz they don't have anything to say if it's not a personal attack. They can't argue their points like this ^ face to face bcuz they only know how to speak on their own platform.

Idk how u can be this old and reduce these stories to shipping only, getting mad at others who don't do that and trying to gatekeep the fandom bcuz of this, willingly opening up ppl younger than u to racist harassment, and continuing to make posts like this as if u can't easily be called out on *all* of it.

Calling the vampires "serial killers" is so fucking pointless when the real horror of them all doesn't even come from their vampirism. It's their trauma and their v human reactions to that and how they move around each other bcuz of it too. The show *requires* that u see them as more than vampires. The vampirism is a background noise. That is never their main struggle. This is just language used in an attempt to sound smart but ur not saying anything. It just makes u look even stupider tbh. Idek what the Twilight dig is about here bcuz even Twilight had abuse and racism issues in it that u could write essays on and ppl *did.* Like where tf have u been, how do u navigate the world at all idgi.

full post under the cut tw rape mentions

[fromtheseventhhell]

I feel like a problem with many alicent stans is that they have issue accepting that they can love her as a character while also accepting her flaws and issues. Like loving Catelyn while also agnowledging her abusive attitude towards Jon, or loving Cersei while agnowledging she's an immoral person.

I don't particularly care for her or Rhaenyra but Alicent stans in particular seem to have trouble making pro alicent content that also acknowledges her shortcomings without outright just defending them.

This is definitely a problem with them, and it seems to be an issue with how people in the asoiaf/hotd fandom want to engage with the material. People have turned liking a character into a moral superiority contest and that's how we get "disliking [x] character is misogynistic" takes. That's why they scramble to erase any flaw from their fave and justify their actions. It's so ridiculous because liking a character is literally just about being interested in how they're written, that's it. It's not a bad thing for a character to have flaws because that means they're well-written and complex. If you're doing everything in your power to erase and justify those flaws then chances are you don't actually like them. On the flip side, that means sometimes people aren't going to like characters and that doesn't mean anything.

As for Alicent, it's very obvious that she believes in the patriarchy and that's what her motivations stem from. Her fans have just deluded themselves into thinking that she's the "feminist option" and nothing but a perpetually helpless victim with no agency. They're so angry cause those comments are coming directly from the author and the actress they (claim to) love. To be fair, the showrunners try and depict Alicent as such BUT since they're pulling from the source material she can't consistently be that. Even within their adaption, Alicent has flaws and has made questionable decisions. There's a way to defend her from hate without completely sanitizing her character, but her supposed stans also hate that she has flaws. George just likes writing his characters as grey and complex which is a good thing from a story-telling perspective. I wish people would acknowledge that and free themselves of the need to justify the actions of their favorite characters.

[shihalyfie]

I've been watching data squad, and I noticed all the bio hybrids are very deliberately made to mirror the main DATS trio in some way. Kouki's a battle hungry street brawler, the goth girl (forgot her name) is a genius who only cares about herself, and Ivan...well, i'm not sure about ivan, something to do with family. I'd assume you're better equipped to do an analysis on this contrast, so I'd love to hear your thoughts on it, if possible.

I noticed this as well! I think their appearances were too short for me to make a full-blown meta out of it, but to basically summarize it:

Masaru is a rough brawler, but he only ever picks fights with people who are also causing trouble or challenge him on equal terms (and in the latter case, he follows specific principles and respects the opponent). For Masaru, "fighting" is something you do as a means of self-improvement and to be strong so you can protect those who need to be protected, not to dominate over others. In contrast, Kouki loves fighting and violence, but he does it for the sake of his own superiority and to crush weak people, or in other words, he's a bully who's the picture-perfect depiction of what you imagine when you hear about someone who loves violence. It's notable that he's the only one of the three who's not portrayed as particularly redeemable.

While Tohma came from a privileged background and is quite intelligent, he also was emotionally abused by his family, so he has a strong motive to do something meaningful with his life out of something he accomplished rather than it being for the sake of his family name (while he does make use of his privilege, it's as a means to an end in terms of wanting to do things for others, including his sister, and in fact he's portrayed as somewhat disliking unwarranted attention). Nanami is a "genius" like Tohma, but she only cares about herself and has a snobbish attitude towards "normal" people who can't understand her. She indulges in her "elite" status and doesn't care about morality as long as she gets to satisfy herself.

Yoshino started off the series without much meaning in her life, punching the clock at DATS without any real investment in what she was doing because she was dealing with an inferiority complex. It's only as the series progresses when you can really get the sense she's doing things out of her own beliefs of what's right and wrong (especially when DATS gets cut off from government support but she still chooses to fight anyway). Meanwhile, Ivan is a victim of the system; in order to support his siblings (who are implied to be in very severe financial straits), he "threw away his morals and sold his body" to Kurata out of desperation, because he and his family were so pushed into a corner that he didn't have the room to think about that anymore. (Note the fact that Ivan is the only one of the three to not be Japanese, so there's a nuance of his position as a foreigner being exploited by someone powerful.) So as much as that doesn't make his actions justifiable, Yoshino is capable of empathizing with that to some extent and recognizes that Kurata had been the one to exploit Ivan's situation and vulnerabilities to pseudo-blackmail him.

[thedroloisms]

yes theres no doubt a large disparity esp on here when other communities outnumber this one in size. I mean to say the new wave over-saturates this behavior, when they all share the common mindset of "at least my guy is not as bad as that one" they conform to putting a controversy in the back of their mind because they never expect their guy to be subject to that limelight or little things that get dream lambasted for because they take part in it. Making sure their punching bag stays as that only punching bag. And seeing it happen to them is such a foreign thing to experience, so they have find ways to cope with it even if it means to drag a name that has nothing to do with the situation. It's my thought process at least that the critical thinking the general community adheres to will always be based on bias and malicious take-downs to make themselves seem better to a wider range beyond theirs. Its so naturally performative too, their statements have like a veneer of snarkiness to it that you can clock right away. Using "she didn't say anyone so we shouldn't speculate" and ignoring the deliberate details she dropped, makes empathy look like a smoke screen to deny or not talk about the person who everyone knows is in plain sight. I understand its a sensitive subject to most people but seeing the evidence of her spoken word be accused of being associated with leak stuff in order to blame something other than their guy is so disgusting. So thats why in this situation, seeing the stark differences as an observer, I can't help but laugh too otherwise I would go mad.

i'd say in my personal experience, older fans tend to be even worse about the "my guy is a good guy and better than dream" rhetoric specifically bc they cling to their experience in choosing "the right side" as giving them a moral high ground. a lot of said people are specifically even invoking dream's name in terms of decision-making in this situation, basically saying "ohhh this situation isn't like the dream situation, if it was like that then obviously i would've dropped him" or on the flip side being like "we can't be like dream fans, guys, we have to Drop Him and call him an awful inhuman monster #fuckmen" etcetera whatever. obviously there are plenty of problems with newer fans as well but i've seen pleeeenty of people acting in stupid ways who were specifically here for the allegations against dream in 2022 (including something i saw earlier which made me laugh a little bit - someone going "look i cant support abusers i used to be a dream fan but then the allegations dropped and i stopped supporting him because i didn't want to look bad :( i dont support will gold anymore but i will continue to draw wilbur soot" like ???? okay) - i feel like new fans are more of an issue bc they take this attitude from older fans and parrot and amplify it, but honestly i wouldn't really say new fans are the root of the issue (though obviously their lack of supporting a Bad Guy in the past factors into their superiority complexes in the present)

while there have been quite a few idiots making this situation about dream (some people outright accusing dream, though honestly i think those people were just trying to deflect the situation onto their favorite punching bag rather than making an actual accusation - and a lot more people bringing up the dream situation specifically to soothe their own complicated feelings because Obviously they care about victims and Obviously they care about holding Bad People accountable) - i feel like the majority of what i've seen from people other than the copium is just a lot of people going all :( support shelby #believevictims don't speculate, which is. wow. crazy to me as well to consider it leak to ... talk about literally publicly available information? like leaktwt is when you listen to music lyrics now i fucking guess.

you really, really do have to laugh, honestly. i didn't know what to expect from this situation but my god, i did NOT think it'd be this bad

[confessionsofa-roleplayer]

Immature people or with white savior complex be instantly hating other writers, when topics about discrimination are explored in fiction, daring to speak for a whole community (they might not even be part of), while disregarding those that have a different view that are part of said community.

"I care so much about transphobia & homophobia I rather have it not represented in any media whatsoever so we don’t acknowledge it’s a real thing that many could learn about through seeing different views and how their upbringing / religion / culture influence to these thoughts and views." /s

while simultaneously simping, romanticizing, sexualizing after their favorite fictional bad guys, who do not value human life at all. think of all the victims, those who died or lost their loved ones in gang violence, war crimes, murder, ...

Murder and gore is for those people ok in fiction but not those issues that affect many of us, which could bring awareness.

people are responsible for the media they consume and if these issues that are present in our every day life make them uncomfortable, that’s fine and they’re entitled to stay away from it. That being said, there’s zero excuse for shaming those who are fine with these subjects, you help no one with your moral superiority complex.

[blue-ravens]

Hiya! 🔥 Unpopular opinion on Hawkeye, or Klinger, or any other MASH character you'd like, or anything else you'd like that is not MASH related because I just remembered we are technically also human beings in addition to being tv show fans :P

i wasn't going to do say this, but in the spirit of 'we are technically also human beings in addition to being tv show fans', this is what i'm going to say.

in light of what recently went down, i'm sure no one wants yet another rando putting their two cents in because nobody wants all of that rehashed and dug back up. but here's the thing, i had to wake up to my friends getting horrible anons and being very upset about what was sent to them and no i'm not okay with that. so here it is.

who you ship and who you don't ship is not a moral cause. that's it. shipping and fandom isn't activism. it's not 'both sides bad'. it's not 'it's just jokes, miss, we're just having fun' while vagueposting about and sending bad faith anons to strangers who disagree with you. it's not pitting m/f ships versus m/m ships and claiming one side is more morally correct. your ship is no more better than anyone else's because it ticks all the 'woke and progressive' boxes. when you start drawing lines over which ship/character is more 'pure' and 'right' than another, then of course you're going to get shit like what happened yesterday. you're bullying another human being over a fictional ship on a tv show. just sit with that a sec. really just sit with that. this is all fictional and made up and fake, however how you choose to react and behave to other people over differing interpretations of this fictional and made up and fake content isn't. you're responsible for how you interact with other people who disagree with you, and acting like a grade school bully towards someone then getting upset and crying victim when they tell you to back off is a level of arrogance that isn't welcome here.

i don't want to be in a fandom that resorts to vagueposting and horrible anons in people's mailboxes and call out posts and meanspirited, immature memes and bad-faith misrepresentations and arguments or *anything* like i saw yesterday. it's not a case of pitting het ships over gay ones. get that rubbish out of your head right now. people are going to disagree with you over media interpretations. it's not a personal attack, it's not a statement of declaration of someone's morality or purity. that's a solid gold fact of fandoms. choosing to not crawl into their dms and being a dick to them and letting people just be in their own space is a choice that YOU make. and if that's your first response to having your ideas challenged even *slightly*, then perhaps being in a fandom space isn't for you. this shit is all made up. it's all fake. no one cares. leave your superiority complex at the door.

that's the end of it. that's all i'm saying.

[rainydayladybug]

Hey crypto terf I get off to fanfiction: BOO!

Gotta love how “TERF” has conveniently become so detached from the core transmisogyny/intentional exclusion + violent demonization of trans women.. to the point that people think that calling trans people, especially trans women and other TMA people, “TERFs” is a morally superior action. And tangible form of trans allyship.

And it’s somehow NEVER due to stances or topics related to radical feminism, or the core pro-trans women’s exclusion, that would even warrant the mention (or accusation) of “TERF”. Somehow even the hate groups that target us become weaponized against us, with the vague claim that it’s for our own good and our protection.

And for anyone who wants to know what this stemmed from.. I mentioned on a post that hypothetical incest/rape/abuse/CSA survivors are always thrown in the faces of those who criticize the public eroticization + normalization of these topics in fan fiction (somehow always written in the most tacky, immature, harmful ways), because “maybe the author and everyone jacking off to it is coping with trauma!!”.. but that no one seems to care about the actual victims of these traumas who express discomfort (or even just ask for trigger warnings or have a DNI). Instead these survivors get called fascists and, in this case, TERFs. Because our existence as survivors is only allowed in these circles if we comfort, support, and sexually feed anyone who jacks off to our abuse.

And, since no one on this site can grasp any nuance or form their own thoughts, and they think all complex social justice issues / issues of morality are sorted into “PRO” and “ANTI” or “INCLUSIONIST” or “EXCLUSIONIST” (because that’s the only complexity that their still-forming virgin brains can comprehend) criticizing this toxic behavior within fanfiction circles somehow means you’re against all forms of erotica, and loathe + exclude all trans women from your activism. even if you’re a trans woman yourself. not sure how trans women got inherently linked + embedded in your right to *checks notes* write an online novel about Dora and Diego fucking, without criticism.

And for the record, I also have controversial/“problematic” kinks that have formed due to years of sexual abuse. But I don’t stomp my feet like an angry toddler denied fruit gummies when other abuse survivors express discomfort with kinks like mine, and the endless (tacky and horribly-handled) erotica + porn that fetishizes our abuse, and normalizes it and becomes a tool in grooming the kids/teens that have full access to the platforms they get uploaded to.

This site is full of children (who’ve been bombarded from incredibly young + formative ages with violent, unrealistic porn in this digital age) and self-admitted adult virgins who either think sex is “yucky” and talk about it in incredibly immature ways, or their concept of sex revolves around terribly-written + unrealistic erotica created by other adult virgins.. like I really don’t expect to have mature, informed conversations about sex or trauma on here. Like I’ve had more nuanced, mutually-critical discussions about this on fucking Fetlife and in BDSM dungeons. It’s incredibly on-brand for me to be accused, with barely any context and no justification, of being a TERF and a fascist (as a trans Jew) on this performative faux-leftist site, all because I’m not applauding whatever low-quality fictional garbage y’all spend hours every day hyper-fixating on.

And I hate how I can’t even tell you to log off and finish your algebra homework or something, because I can’t tell if you’re a 14 year old just trying to be edgy, or a 35 year old white queer from Portland who fights for the rights of “pro-shippers” more than they fight for actual minorities.

[tallysgreatestfan]

Honestly people like you and your policing of what queer women do and when they are queer enough and "serving women" good enough makes me want to never write femslash again. It's also a huge part of why I don't feel safe in fandom as a bi woman, and why I hate myself so much as a bi woman.

And before any of you claim I am an oh so misogynist slash writer: Half of my fics are femslash. I am bi so femslash is a part of exploring myself. But you jerks pressure makes me want to write lesser femslash than actually more. You can't blackmail fandom into doing what you online activists think is the right thing.

This narrative that the only way to center womens voices in fanwork is femslash is TERF rethoric. It also ignores that bi, trans and ace women exist and you can explore their queerness without femslash. You can explore WOC and disabled womens lives without femslash. Of course femslash is an important part of exploration of womens lives, and yes, fandoms have systemic problems - how about trying to deal with these problems instead of guilt tripping people?

Every single time I think about something that is not a femslash ship I feel guilty and as if I am not queer enough, not women supporting enough. You know whats the result? Not that I create more femslash, but that femslash is associated with you puritanical lesbian supremacists shipping is activism jerks, and thus lesser fun, so I do it lesser.

It also makes me feel even more insecure if I as a bi women who is attracted to these oh so even impure men belongs in the queer community - not that people like you would care. You showed again and again by how much you accept biphobes and TERFs in femslash communities how little you care.

Yeah, there are systemic issues why there is so little femslash - but femslash shipping are also way more toxic than most other, probably through this purity standard you layed over them with your "femslash is activism" bullshit, they are rampant with biphobia and ableism, and they have a massive victim complex as you demonstrated so perfectly.

There are so many femslash ships I liked but never did any fanwork for because the fandom was so incredibly toxic.

Don't pretend you are not part of the problem. Anon is right.

As for the victim complex: I was in several fandoms where the worst bullies were also shippers of the most popular femslash ship, harassing others with their perceived moral superiority.

I will get harassed for this, but honestly, at this point people like you ruined femslash communities already anyway, and as a bi disabled woman, I am not save in fandom anyway.

Nobody is obligated to write femslash as "activism." Actual feminism doesn't involve policing what women choose to create in their leisure time. That is actual misogyny.

Wrong writing femslash is actually mandatory and the only way society can progress forward

[autistic-zukoao3]

I hope you bark at someone in the city like you always do, only to find out that some people bite when you bark.

I hope they bite you. I hope your partner realizes you're just using him as a trophy to show off, an accessory to show that "see, I can't be racist or ablest or exclusionary, I'm dating someone brown and disabled and queer in every sense of the word"

Every single time you talked about him, you'd harp on the fact he's brown and disabled. You're using him and he doesn't even know and he wouldn't believe me if I told him.

You are nothing but a rich white girl with a savior complex.

"I won't vote because I won't be complicit" but you don't donate to GoFundMes, you won't reblog them, and you refuse to boycott because "it doesn't do anything".

You think you have a right to use the n word because your black partner from when you were 14 gave you the "n word pass"

You're nothing but another rich, white, racist piece of shit that thinks you're morally superior to others.

You collect broken and poor people as friends to show off that you're a caring person but you aren't. You treated each and every one of us like a street animal.

I hate you. I loathe you.

You mock victims of incest and shove it in their face and when called out for it you claim you're innocent because they upset you and you "lost control". You didn't lose control though. You knew what you were doing. You pulled knives on them and you kicked their dog. You dropped a knife on your cat then acted like you're the victim because you "let the intrusive thoughts win" - which by the way, it clearly wasn't an intrusive thought if you acted on it.

You claim that you have a right to use the R word because "that's my trauma" but you're not intellectually disabled. Just because kids called you a slur doesn't mean you have any right to reclaim it. If a white person were repeatedly called the N word, that does not mean it's theirs to reclaim. But I bet you would argue otherwise, so long as it meant you could say it.

I hate you. Words cannot express how much contempt I hold for you. You're an animal abusing, gaslighting, gatekeeping, racist, ableist abuser and you're no better than your mother. You throw a fit when Mommy says you can't spend $2000 in two months again. You acted as if that were unreasonable to ask of you.

Your transness does not mean you are free to do as you please. You are not the most oppressed person in the room like you believe.

I hope to fucking god that you kill yourself before you end up killing your partner.

[watcherintheweyr]

Lucien couldve been a moral check but instead the author decided to have feyre and Rhys demean, belittle, and mock him, his abuse and trauma, completely ignore everything he's ever done to help them, and the author... glorifies them doing it. They are never ever held accountable or face repercussions for how they abuse the people around them and its exhausting to read.

Hell, Eris could be the moral check because he is **everything Rhysand thinks that he is.** he's the heir to a massively powerful court who has to play act as a villain to protect the ones he loves, and even those he doesn't from the monster that is his sire. But beneath that he is constantly scheming and acting and plotting to help those around him- subjects and family both, and genuinely cares for the fate of Prythian. But the IC is literally obsessed with hating him. They LIKE hating him, so they'll ignore all the truths of his nature- even the ones they're slapped in the face with- because it doesn't fit their self righteous superiority complexes.

NESTA should have been a major moral reality check. Despite her prickly nature, she cares deeply- so, so deeply, and not only for herself and not even only for her family. But instead they literally battered and exhausted and isolated her until she broke down and became compliant to what they wanted, which the narrative then praises.

Rhys 'plays' as the villain- and has in fact committed monstrous acts as the 'mask'- but he's eternally defended and given a pass because of his trauma. Any time someone tries to hold him accountable for his actions he either has a panic attack, belittles them, threatens them, or flat ignores them, and everyone around him trips over themselves to defend him and his ego. He exhibits sexism, he exhibits major controlling and egocentric traits and they're all excused. He literally commits several of the exact same acts Tamlin is demonized for- and he's praised for them by the narrative.

Sjmess preens so proudly that he's morally grey, an antihero with a heart of gold- but that isn't the case. And any character who sees through that, like Nesta, like Lucien- is broken down and gaslit into seeing themselves as a problem, and then basically just letting themselves be used as tools for him and his inner circle.

He cares SO MUCH about Velaris, but he and Feyre are building a fifth home while there's slums in Velaris. He cares SO MUCH about equality for the Illyrian women and better conditions for the mistreated children but makes a million excuses for why he can't enforce his own laws or act to prevent atrocities he is fully aware are happening. He knows that Keir is a monster but lets him live and have control over the Hewn City- punishing everyone trapped there for the actions of those in power. Night Court citizens who have lived and died all without ever seeing the night sky.

His entire inner circle is actively horrible, immature, petty people who only care for sex and drinking and appearances (but then judge and condemn others for doing the same things) and yet they're 'the most powerful' they're 'the dreamers'. The narrative does nothing but stroke and prime and praise their choices and their egos and excuse the horrors they commit. Ever since Feyre truly became one of them, she's spiraled down a worse and worse path, becoming a person that ACOTAR Feyre would be disgusted by- and even despite all of that and the truth of it, despite being the fucking 'High Lady' she only truly has power if Rhys decides she does, if Rhys agrees with her. And with all of that, she is also still and ever a victim of the inner circle and their control, manipulations, and disrespect.

It's so disappointing. The whole world and series had so much fucking potential. So many of the characters have **so much potential.** but it's squandered.

I don’t think people get it. There is nothing wrong with liking something in fiction that you would normally despise in real life. That is not my problem with Rhysand and the Inner Circle. My problem is when an author writes a story in a way that clearly shows they agree with these characters. I love a little freak as much as the next person, but not when you’re trying to convince me every two seconds they’re the good guy while they’re simultaneously doing bad shit. And yes it’s first person POV, so of course Feyre will think she’s right. This is why there needs to be a moral check. Suzanne Collins did this really well with The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes. Even without the existence of the OG series, you can tell the author/narrative does not agree with Coryo even though he thinks he’s right because Sejanus acted as a moral check, someone to challenge the MC’s view. Lucien could’ve been a moral check for Feyre. He so damn nearly was when he said “The girl I knew died under the Mountain.” BUT SJM DIDN’T COMMIT TO IT. Feylin could’ve been the tragic romance, Feysand the villain story. BUT SJM DIDN’T COMMIT TO IT. So instead, we have a half-baked hero who SJM clearly believes is in the right and not only is that poor writing but it reflects her irl beliefs. The way you think is reflected in the way you write. This series is targeted at impressionable teens when it’s clearly dark romance and I see people defending Rhysand and shitting on Tamlin and calling Rhys the hero. It’s ridiculous.