#that theyre their OWN GUYS. THERE'S SO MANY THEY HAD TO MAKE A *FUCKING WIKI* ABOUT IT. eats drywall
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hyp3rfixation-h3ll Ā· 1 year ago
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Me following you has brought a lot of sonic creepypasta stuff onto my Tumblr feed and I honestly love it. I have no idea who any of those silly little scary hedgehogs are but I'm vibing with em
SQUEAAAALLLS this is making me so so happy whadda hell AAAEEEEE <3333 sonic.exe and creepypastas as a whole r a super big special interest 4 me so im so so so happy there's others uninvolved in my audience who like seeing me post about them //^__^// if you'd like a good place 2 start learning about exes out of curiousity , i'd recommend the CONTINUED: Sonic.EXE Wiki, it's basically a MASSIVE compendium of (almost) every single sonic specific exe/creepypasta there is (and there's a special section for "Classic" Exes, aka the popular ones) . There's also a TONNNN of sonic.exe retrospective videos out there that talk about the popularity boost it had because of F//N//F ( which , even if i do Not fw the base game , i'm going to admit the mod that made all of this happen , while UNFINISHED , was pretty damn good in terms of sprites and music. highly recommend the VS. Sonic.EXE ost if you want absolute bops as well as The Chaos Series & the Hoggy Holidays mod (which is so fuckin cute im gonna eat Drywall) . :3 ) , so if you're real interested and wanna get a small grasp on who all im talking about i hope these are good starting points !!!!! :O
my infodumping aside, i got so excited i wound up drawing one of my pastasonas w/ the hog himself as a thank you WAUAYUAUGH
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junietuesday Ā· 2 years ago
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who are thseterius and bareleifdrjas?
anon you have zero idea what youve just unleashed. (this little parenthetical was writtten after everything else in this post but this is focusing on thesterius bc it just got SO LONG. barreleifdrias will have to wait </3)
ok so. hades video game 2018. you play as a dude named zagreus fighting to escape the ancient greek underworld but the point is that when you get to elysium, the two guys blocking your exit are theseus, the theseus of minotaur and ship and labors fame, only hes an annoying pro wrestling vibes egotistical blond (/derogatory /JOKE) dude, and the minotaur, the cannibalistic half man half bull monster in the labyrinth, only hes a chill honorable (hot) dude named asterius. and theyre best bros!!!! despite their meeting and the myth theyre most famous for being theseus killing the minotaur, asterius and theseus are now super best friends. theyre so unlikely but the respect for each other is clearly so deep. reason one why theyre compelling.
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here they are btw. (via hades wiki)
and its like, theseus is so annoying that general fandom opinion is that hes the worst character in hades, in a ā€œyou love to hate himā€ playful way sometimes, or real hatred depending on which circles of the hades fandom you trawl, but hes Written to be disliked. even tho hes the hero of the original story, a hero among the ranks of like, heracles and that ilk. and meanwhile, everyone loves asterius bc hes such a bro, hes so chill and respectful and honorable, so many people think hes hot, people are like ā€œdump theseus you could do so much betterā€, hes such a fan fave. even tho hes the monster of the original story, the villain!!! that role reversal is so so compelling!!!!!! hades didnt even change anything abt their backstories on paper but their personalities are what makes it a sort of roleswap. like theseusā€™ only redeeming quality is that he loves asterius so much, and asteriusā€™ only real flaw is that hes so dedicated to theseus lmao
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(all these dialogue images via @/hadesgamedialogue here on tumblr)
and its especially cool in hades bc its like, asterius, the minotaur, the one that everyone in the hades fandom loves way more, is an actual person. the minotaur is half man of course. theres so much thats added to the story of theseus and the minotaur overall by making asterius a person. but so very few stories take advantage of it. hades game first opened my eyes to the potential of asterius being an awesome character and i love it so much for it.
and THEN through menu stuff you eventually find out how the minotaur got such a high standing in elysium despite being a monster, fighting side by side w his killer-turned-bestie, adored by a crowd of cheering fans that watches your every fight, and especially constantly talked up by theseus himself. and as it turns out!!!!! after asterius died, he actually ended up in erebus. no surprise there, why shouldnt a half-animal monster end up in tartarus 2 electric boogaloo. but then when theseus died, he thought of asterius, and decided that since "their fame and glory were intertwined" (according to the in-game codex), if theseus deserved elysium for being part of the legendary theseus and the minotaur myth, surely asterius did too.
can you fucking imagine??? youre famous for killing a monster, you had an epic one-on-one fight to the death, but then when you get eternal paradise for it can you imagine thinking "hey what happened to the monster. hey what if he was a person. hey what if he was a person i could have join me in literal ancient greek heaven." and the codex says theseus almost certainly risked his own spot in elysium for it ā€” the guy writing the codex would know, he tried to get his own boyfriend into elysium but ended up having to stay in hell in his boyfriend's place. but no theseus literally just got asterius into elysium, kept his own place there, and now theyre basically gladiator celebrities living(ish) their best lives(ish). THE SHEER ROMANTICISM OF IT.
like i was saying before asterius has always been a monster, but now the man who killed him is also the man who first saw him as a person...... a person worthy of paradise, a person worth saving, a person who gave him a glorious fight for the ages, a person. circling back around the roleswap thing, like a comment on one thesterius fic i read puts it, the player hates theseus bc of his in-game annoyingness, but learns to see him as a person through asterius' eyes, through asterius' high esteem of theseus and theseus' decent treatment of asterius. and at the same time, asterius has always been seen as a beast, but it was only through theseus' eyes and esteem and asterius was able to see himself as anything more.
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AND THATS NOT EVEN ALL. this is all the backstory stuff, everything that takes place off-screen before the player even shows up. but zagreus (the player character) shows up and hes a polite guy so hes very nice to asterius bc asterius has been nothing but nice to him, even if they do have to fight often (bc asterius is both a miniboss on his own and the regional boss alongside theseus), its more like friendly and respectful sport than anything by the time they get to know each other. but theseus is constantly insulting zagreus bc of his own skewed sense of honor and dedication to the gods bc of theseus' own willful misunderstanding abt who zagreus is. that isnt super important but the point is, when theseus sees asterius, his bestie, being friends w zagreus, the guy he despises, guess what happens.
thats right. the "asterius is cheating on me šŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­" arc. bc theseus is so sad and pathetic that he cant conceive of his bestie having any other friends. asterius Must be abandoning him to marry some other guy who is just so much nicer and cooler than him. and so theseus has a temper tantrum abt it. im bullying theseus rn bc hes a loser but also i dont like how relatable his feelings are during this arc.
if theseus sees asterius as a person worthy of love, then its also the same vice versa: asterius is the first person to see theseus as a real person Also Worth Love. hes not a monster, in fact hes a hero. he should be adored by all. and he does have his supporters in the arena! but do they like the real him? hes deeply annoying. he talks too much. hes desperately clingy to what friends he does have bc he just has so few of them. all of his relationships have ended Awfully, and it was his own fault for reacting so strongly and passionately to the things around him.
he and zagreus are actually kinda similar: theyre endlessly kind to people they deem worthy of it but also scathing to people they hate, theyre both accomplished warriors, theyre extremely stubborn (zag keeps trying to escape the underworld no matter how many times it takes, and theseus keeps meeting him and trying to stop him every time no matter how many times he loses), etc etc. but unlike theseus, zagreus is so charming and friendly. theseus tries so hard to be charismatic, but everyone flocks to be friends w zagreus after like a single conversation, and theseus only has asterius. so its very easy for this deeply insecure guy ā€” no matter how he tries to cover it up by a massive ego and a constant barrage of insults toward zagreus ā€” to believe that asterius might see zagreus as a way better version of him, and break up w theseus and go date zagreus instead. and zagreus does nothing to discourage this notion lmao. (honestly most hades players wouldnt have done anything to discourage this lmao. ive seen so many memes, such as this post, abt wanting asterius to just divorce theseus and "get himself a better man" and date zagreus already.)
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and honestly its like, as zagreus himself says in a different dialogue, theseus took asterius up to elysium yes, but like, theseus also killed asterius in the first place, so they should be even. but its not just abt that for asterius. its abt how during their fight in the labyrinth, asterius got to at least experience once during his life what it meant to meet someone as an equal. its abt how theseus was the first person who saw him as a real person, not a mindless bloodthirsty beast. its abt how theseus took asterius to elysium, yes, giving asterius the chance to spread his wings and figure himself out and truly live, in a way he never would have been able to in erebus. its how theseus gave asterius the chance to experience friendship and love. so asterius, of course, doesnt gay divorce. he says this.
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ā€œhe doesnt even understand itā€ and its literally so true. zag doesnt understand any of the things abt theseus and asterius being the only people to really understand each other and stay, despite everything repulsive abt the other, and be friends. i would bet the average player doesnt understand it either (see all the common hades fandom opinion ā€œasterius dump theseus alreadyā€). but asterius understands it. he reminds theseus of this shared understanding. no matter what, no matter everything that should have come between them long ago, no matter anything that theseus fears might come between them now, asterius and theseus are a pair. its always theseus and the minotaur, their names together have gone down in legend. their theme song in hades is even called the king and the bull!!! bc theyre a matched set, theyre hero and villain, theyre inseparable, theyre gay.
also since theyre really just the regional bosses of zone 3 of hades (almost all of the contents of this essay are entirely missable), they get a cool new best friend battle move called the ā€œcounterstrikeā€, where asterius charges into theseusā€™ shield to create a shockwave, after they reconcile. to go along with their previously established bestie attack ā€œbullhornā€, in which asterius picks theseus up and literally throws him at zagreus. theseus is such a dork he literally shouts ā€œcounterstrike!ā€ and ā€œbullhorn!ā€ when they perform those moves like this is some kind of anime. gay wrath moments <3
tl;dr: thesterius is the ultimate ship of all time. thankyou
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masked-puppetmaster Ā· 4 years ago
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hey, i saw you asked a while ago why dream & techno apologists are apologists for those characters (and you liked a bunch of my posts concerning that, actually) i was wondering if you still have any more questions - and also i wanted to ask if you wanted to talk a bit about c!tommy and what makes you like him so much? like is it just the emotional attachment to him? is it the trauma? anything specific about the way in which he is written? i've always watched his pov & i'm very curious! / - red
yo yo yo hey! I think I understand it a bit more now, for the dream & techo apologists, I think Iā€™m still a bit confused when it comes to technoblade. I see a lot about people only using him as a weapon/ him not being able to trust people / no one sticking up for him and Iā€™m not sure where it comes from? In all fairness, I only know him as the guy who executed Tubbo / spawned withers but im assuming thatā€™s in large part because I came into the story so late (iirc I didnā€™t really get into the dsmp until around doomsday, and I got most information of past events just by like. osmosis or reading wikis) so I might simply just not have enough information on techno to get it. Like, he executed Tubbo under a lot of pressure iirc but that doesnā€™t take away from the fact he did execute him? or things with the withers, I know technoblade doesnā€™t like the government and Iā€™d go as far as to say he has a point, but was it really necessary to destroy lmanburg (iirc, multiple times). I know he was mad, but I feel like he shouldnā€™t have taken in that far, like from what I see and understand itā€™s like yes he had his points but he hurt people and doesnā€™t seem to care that he hurt anybody, just kinda stands there assuming heā€™s right about everything and not rlly looking at the situation from anyone elseā€™s perspective. That being said like I said I came into the story really late and so my arguments might be able to be chalked up to just a lack of proper context, and even if Iā€™m kinda annoyed at Technobladeā€™s behavior I still like him as a character & when techno does stream I enjoy the content so Iā€™m not like a technoblade hater or anything I just donā€™t see why people can be apologists for him bcos from my pov heā€™s just kind of hurt people and not taken any personal responsibility for it (I mean this as in acknowledging to himself he was ever in the wrong; ex. The whole Tommy / techno betrayal situation which I think was a p complicated matter to be fair he just keeps saying over and over how Tommy betrayed him and it doesnā€™t seem to me like heā€™s even bothering to look at the situation from Tommyā€™s pov or rlly reflect on his own actions at all)
I just rlly like Tommy! I think at least some part of it can be chalked up to Tommy being the first streamer I watched in the dsmp and one of the ones I watch the most from (half the time Iā€™m watching the dsmp itā€™s a Tommy stream) so thereā€™s just gonna be some inherent bias towards him there like there is with literally any of these streamers. As you put it, it is kinda the trauma, haha. trauma and emotional attachment lol. I think part of it is I relate to him a lot, and I can see where heā€™s coming from on a lot of things, and I also just like the way his character is written. Smthn abt him that people have pointed out is that his trauma isnā€™t pretty and romanticized itā€™s ugly and yk he acts out and all that, which I appreciate. I can see where heā€™s coming from on a lot of things or at least understand why he thinks the way he does. I like seeing him learn and grow I like seeing his arcs both personally with himself and with other people. Heā€™s an interesting and complex character and heā€™s been through a lot and I think itā€™s just super interesting to see how what heā€™s gone though affects his mental state and his actions as a character, like just from like a mental analysis standpoint thereā€™s a lot to talk about which I think is pretty cool. this isnā€™t to say that heā€™s never fucked up or done anything wrong, because he has, but to be fair so has everyone else on this server I donā€™t think thereā€™s a single member of the server whoā€™s done nothing wrong (except maybe like. Charlie. Charlie my beloved). Heā€™s made his mistakes but every good character fucks up thatā€™s what makes them a good character is their flaws and so with the ways that heā€™s messed up and the ways heā€™s hurt people Iā€™m an apologist because I can see why he acts that way, where the feelings and actions are coming from and I can forgive him for it because I understand the why. Also I just think the punishments heā€™s received for his actions are rlly unfair, easy ex with exile he did something many people on the server have already done at one point or another and was exiled and mentally broken down over it and rlly itā€™s just been like one thing after another and even if heā€™s made mistakes he gets way more harshly punished than I think was fair. Iā€™ve seen people talk about how annoying and selfish his character is and when I read the posts (not all of them, thereā€™s a nice chunk of people who are civil about it) it just seems like theyā€™re not rlly thinking abt his character and his experiences. Iā€™ll see people explain his signs of trauma and say itā€™s annoying because itā€™s not soft crying trauma itā€™s messy acting out trauma which itā€™s just like you do not understand this at all, do you? Or with the discs, Iā€™ll be honest with you here. I will defend Tommyā€™s attachment to these stupid little music discs till the day I die. Why canā€™t he have his discs? Theyā€™re his , theyā€™re not even that valuable outside of the fact that theyā€™re his, why canā€™t he have things? why isnā€™t he aloud to have items heā€™s attached to without someone taking them for the sole reason of he likes them. And all I see is people saying he is selfish and cares about the discs more than people, which is literally disproven in the rp. Ranboo flat out says heā€™s not selfish, when Tommy takes the blame for Georgeā€™s house (also keeping in mind here tommy and ranboo barely knew each other at the time, and if Tommy was actually selfish he couldā€™ve very easily dragged Ranboo down with him) and when it comes to the discs heā€™s given up the discs multiple times in favor of helping other people (he gave them up for lmanburg, and then for Tubbo I think twice actually) and the one time he told someone the discs were worth more than they were, that was the moment yeah made him realize he didnā€™t like who he was becoming and he immediately backtracked and allowed the disc to be handed over. TL;DR heā€™s not selfish heā€™s just got a lot of strong attachments and his attachments are both his greatest strength and his greatest weakness. And heā€™s a kid, heā€™s been though a lot of things, heā€™s got a lot of trauma heā€™s dealing
with and itā€™s not always pretty but he gets better, he has his arcs and he gets better and learns from some of his actions, and I think looking at him and his yk. Timeline and character development and arcs and his whole like mental deal and just general character choices are super interesting and I find it fun, as someone who enjoys character analysis, and all in all I love him I relate to him in some ways and some of it also might just be emotional attachment and bias towards him as Tommy being one of my comfort streamers
& itā€™s fully possible someone could have just as much of an argument for c!techno, my deal w looking at c!tommy making mistakes and c!techno making mistakes and being able to be an apologist for Tommy and not for techno is more about me understanding tommyā€™s character better and understand the reasoning and the why behind the things he says and does, vs. techno who i dont really get and i canā€™t be an apologist for him if I donā€™t understand anything hes doing or why heā€™s doing it and then seeing him over and over dismiss other peoples perspectives and never rlly reflecting on himself (not to say Tommy couldnā€™t use at least a little of that himself- I am Looking over at his relationship w Jack Manifold lol) can be kinda frustrating but as I said earlier that might just be me not knowing all the proper context
I could probably write more about Tommy especially when it comes to the whole technoblade vs Tommy thing but this post is already way longer than you probably ever wanted to read so Iā€™ll stop now Iā€™m sorry Iā€™m just hyperfixated haha and yk if anyone wants to like add arguments or points or if you or someone rlly likes technoblade or dream or whoever and wants to talk to me about that go ahead I encourage that like I rlly enjoy having those conversations w ppl provided theyre civil abt it bc like weā€™ve all said a million times over before eveyone in the dsmp is an unreliable narrator and youā€™re just going to automatically have a bias towards a character if you watch their POV most and all that so. Yk I am a tommy apologist but I watch his streams most and Iā€™m also just emotionally attached so anything I can say has to be taken w a grain of salt bcos Iā€™m biased towards his character
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sanchoyo Ā· 3 years ago
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danny phantom, season 3, episodes 7-13 thoughts! cannot believe im finishing this series so fast. ...cannot believe it ended like that...uh. one of the weirdest finales to a show I think I've seen, it really stood out against the rest of the series, and not in a good way, in my opinion. I paused to yell in caps lock...several times, I think, out of anger... BUT. ANYWAY, HERE WE GO.
see prev episode thoughts in this tag <3
-the fentons putting the kids to Work in the lab, with NO SAFETY GEAR. AT ALL. THEY JUST GOT BACK FROM SCHOOL AND ARE TIRED!!! and when jack asked how danny his day was and danny tried to say it was bad jack cut him off :( for the 400th time, i am stealing these kids.
-maddie and jack IMMEDIATELY SELLING THEIR LAB AND WORK FOR A LOT OF MONEY. and danny cant get into the portal anymore, oh no!!! he could always just steal vlads I Guess.
-THEY ARE VLADS NEW NEIGHBOR. OH MY GOD. this is a sitcom format. a butler came with the new mansion. i would absolutely try a kiwi fudge milkshake, why is the butler disgusted.
-the..guys in white bought the lab to shoot a missile. into the ghost zone thru the portal. bro i hate these guys
-jazz straight up setting her new bedroom up in the library. i am very very jealous
-"RATED E, FOR ENTRAILS"
-I like how the 14 year olds very quickly realize if the giw destroy the ghost zone itll destroy OUR ZONE because its just. like. the other side of the quarter so to speak. and the giw, a fully funded government agency, didnt consider that...(or worse, are willing to risk that anyway...)
-a...graphic novel version of the constitution? what in the world have you been READING SAM
-'cool, I always wanted to be called a meddling kid!' scooby doo reference...
-can they keep the butler. I love him.
-ecto latte....I also want to try that. is ectoplasm edible...
-YESS I KNEW DANNY WOULD USE VLAD'S PORTAL. vindicated.
-DANNY WHY DIDNT YOU JUST ASK JOHNNY NICELY. STEALING HIS BIKE IS SO SO RUDE.
-youngblood is also into astronaut stuff, thats really cute. and him being like 'phantom, dude!! :D' ALL EXCITED. THATS ADORABLE.
-the slapstick comedy of the giw slipping and falling and running into shit in the lab. is funny, but also, because this lab has NOOO safety codes in practice. god its a wonder dannys the only one to have died here...
-JOHNNY, SKULKER AND YOUNGBLOOD HELPING DANNY!!! I keep saying it but the other ghosts helping him. is my fav thing in the world. and, it's a really good thing the missile in the real world was harmless...otherwise the fentons wouldn't have had a home/lab to come back to...
-WULF WANTED POSTER!!! we havent seen wulfy in so long :( very funny the box ghost is offended by how much these ghosts are wanted for. first off, what do ghosts even DO WITH MONEY. does the ghost zone have its own currency??? what are ghosts BUYING
-the box ghost is So Funny, im so glad hes still got his bubble wrap. u are VERY wanted in THIS house box ghost. you are SO scary king. dont give up on ur dreams
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-this needs to be a meme format. I made a transparent version, very very messily, for future use.
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-this is a Fellow and a Friend
-box ghost accidentally bringing lunch for everyone, and giving people at the mall free shoes. SHOES ARE SO EXPENSIVE, ID BE SO GRATEFUL. helpful king. i feel SO bad for him lmao, he's putting in SO much effort. he wants the evil aesthetic So bad but hes Just Too Silly. I understand your plight, box ghost....
-oh my god. pandoras BOX. 'THOSE OF US IN THE BOX TRADE' HOW MANY ARE IN THIS BOX TRADE. I WANT IN. pandora is a multi-armed ghost goddess and i love her.
-SKULKER WHY ARE YOU RUNNING FROM THE EVIL UNICORN?? YOURE A HUNTER!! JUST SHOOT IT!!!!!!! JUST HUNT IT!!!
-box ghost...where did you get the cowboy hat. I respect it, i just want to know
-JAZZ COMING IN WITH THE BAZOOKA TO FIGHT THE 10 HEADED DRAGON!!! YEAH!!!!!!!!!!! and the rest of the fentons I Guess
-ignoring the sam/danny moments. I simple do not see them.
-...why doesnt danny just fly over the maze. or do the whole 'real world people act as ghosts in the ghost zone' and turn back!!! I know its just to show off the ghost greek monster designs. but STILL.
-danny being like. um. hi pandora. i found your box. >< polite...PANDORA IS SO GIANT. GIANT GHOST WOMAN. SHES GOING TO BEAT BOX GHOSTS ASS. another ghost thats nice to danny to add to the list :) and HER FORCING BOX GHOST TO APOLOGIZE. and having sandwiches with danny after making box ghost clean up. I LOVE HER.
-DANNYS 'BEWARE' AT THE END JAKHDJFKN
-okay, when dash pulled out danny's seat and was calling him buddy, for half a second I was like 'this is a prank, hes gonna pull it back' BUT THEN FRIGHT KNIGHT MY BELOVED IS BACK. AND EVERYONE STARTS CHANTING FOR DANNY TO BEAT HIS ASS WITH GHOST POWERS AND DANNY DOES WAY TOO EASILY, and im like, yup, this is a dream LMAO
-danny is getting an A+ in science :) my smart son
-DANNY WAKING UP FROM THE DREAM RIGHT BEFORE KISSING SAM AND BEING LIKE 'that was a dream...no, a NIGHTMARE!' same. not to be a hater but, shouldve been val. maybe I am a hater
-...danny running and checking the 'tapes'...why is his whole house constantly being recorded. hes been in ghost form/fights plenty of times in his house. does he have to run and wipe the tapes after?? every single time?? god
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-letting this image speak for itself
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-this is SO cursed
-NOCTURN'S DESIGN FUCKS SO HARD. the Venice mask vibes. also his space pattern not moving while the rest of his animation does is big chowder vibes. but this guy is basically the sandman but Evil, huh. I love dream plots. also, nocturn's design feels very similar to clockwork, like, red eyes and a scar over the same eye, but also just the purple, and the Cosmic Vibes. I want to see them fight. anyway nocturn's va was also avatar roku AND alfred in several batman cartoons.
-the 'sleepwalkers' designs were super cute in shape (kinda remind me of oogie boogie! pillow-cased shaped, which is appropriate for the 'king of dreams's minions) until I looked closer at their eyes. why do they look sewn shut!! (they open their eyes a few times, so they aren't, but they look like it...)
-I like how this show has been pretty consistent (with a few exceptions) about a Ghost Being Huge (or getting larger) = Very Powerful
-2 months of summer camping??? wtf, do camping things usually take that long?? I've never been to a camping...thing like that. but isnt that basically their entire summer??
-'the entirety of nature is your bathroom!' and thats why I do no camping despite loving nature LMAO.
-sam, at least TRY TO BE NICE TO THE OTHER GIRLS YOU'RE GOING TO BE SHARING A CABIN WITH. also, the amount of times people in this show have their SHOES ON THE BED!!! IM DISGUSTED
-swamp creature Is A Ghost. Big Foot is a Ghost. starting to think in this universe, every single cryptid or legend is a Ghost Actually
-paulina crying not only because star is missing, but because SHE FORGOT HER SUNBLOCK AND SHE BURNS SO EASILY!!!! okay girlfriends
-ghost cops are the real monsters at the camp. i.......I mean. fair. no one missed you walker
-WULF!!!!!!!!!!! WULF IS BACK!!!!!!!! MY FRIEND WULF :D MI AMAS VIN!!!!! kaj danny lernis Esperanto :)
-'relax kid, we arent here to do any harm' *immediately shoots danny* yeah. ghost cops. and also danny bringing walker 'wulf' and walker IMMEDIATELY SUCKING DANNY IN A THERMOS. FUCK OFF
-haha walker Bald. and haha walker Frozen Now
-the fenton thermos can...reverse its polarity to close portals? okay
-LIBERA MIA AMIKO. :")
-ohhh they end the ep with them star gazing, thats pretty cute...
-dani is back! ...with a new voice actress? wiki says AnnaSophia was in 3 diff movies in 2007 when this aired, so she was probably too busy... (including, bridge to terabithia aka the movie that ripped my heart out that I mentioned in the first ep Dani was in...kinda wanna rewatch it now)
-shes still scared of vlad, who's still being creepy and spying on her. 'shes hardly going to come home to daddy!' I WONDER WHY. also does vlad's cat look more evil than last time? love the concept of him going shopping for cats and being like 'give me your most EVILEST looking cat, please, so I can pet it in my spinny chair dramatically!' ...oh god white cat hair on his black suit. I have a black cat and her hair is still way too noticeable..
-vlad has a big 'valerie' button in his office. can he be pressing that button every episode, thanks
-'theres a GIRL called dani phantom?' yeah valerie. no relation, obviously, even with her looking EXACTLY like danny. so sad valerie just wants to help her dad and her get out of the place theyre in now and vlad using her. ill MAUL HIM
-dani having to STEAL FOOD. :( and valerie immediately being like oh poor kid :(( and trying to help her!!! and then dani immediately helping valerie!! this episode is starting SO well
-...and then valerie catching her. DAMN IT. and being surprised dani knew danny?? HELLO VALERIE I KNOW YOURE SMARTER THAN THIS. I AM SO SORRY THEY WROTE YOU THIS WAY. I STILL LOVE AND BELIEVE IN U !!!
-valerie lying her ASS off for a chance at gettin danny. ok <3 also 'they couldnt catch a ghost if it was living under their own roof' JSDHKJHNK
-danny. why dont you just tell valerie!! this would be so much easier if he was direct. there is NO way valerie would hurt danny (fenton) she'd be HORRIFIED. esp since she got on board helping dani!!
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*is held* :)
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-look at valerie and danny. flying together. about to go beat vlads ass together <333
-DANI SCREAMING AS VLAD IS MELTING HER. WHAT THE FUCCCK
-...fucking vlad convincing valerie hes a good dude with his stupid duplication. FUCK. DANNY JUST TELL H E R
-jesus christ how many times has danny had to watch loved ones die. even if she didnt stay perma-dead. glad they fixed her...
-valerie and dani pranking danny when he came out, oh :( cute...them havin fun and laughing together...babies
-BUT THEYRE JUST LETTING DANI LEAVE, AGAIN??? SHE WAS PREVIOUSLY STEALING FOOD. CHRIST GIVE HER A PLACE TO LIVE. OR A FAMILY. actually, I think it'd be really cute if, since danny isnt ready to out himself, dani went and lived with valerie?? dunno if her dad would have the money but,, it'd be a cute concept. big sis valerie...
-'tomorrow, it's game on!' 'and ill be ready to play!' THE FLIRTING....DANNY/VALERIE REAL
-oh my god,, valerie found out about vlad in the end. But he doesnā€™t know she knows!!! the DRAMA!!! HOLY SHIT THAT ENDING.
-this episode was. SO Much and probably one of my favorites out of s3. (I mean, there has been a gross lack of valerie this whole season, so thats not a hard choice to make...)
-FINALE EPISODE TIME.
-the title screen looks different! so no title card...
-vlad has his own fucked up satellite that looks like him?? okay. why does the animation look so different?? are they mixing cg in?? for what. anyway, vlad and the gang in SPACE. danny is 100% living his astronaut dreams rn
-'defeating frostbite' YOU BETTER NOT HAVE. YOU STOLE HIS COOL MAP. FUCK YOU VLAD
-wait oh my god. vlad is the final series boss, isn't he. I half expected a fake out, for another boss to show up midway, and for him to finally have to have a real truce with danny for this ep. ITS THE FINALE. VLAD FEELS SO UNDERWHELMING.
-And it's like-- his character isn't bad, i just feel like..he has more potential! they WANT him to seem like some smart super evil genius, but the way he's written makes that SO hard to believe...but the solid backstory and design is THERE and its FRUSTRATING.
-...DANNY CALLING VLAD OUT SAYING HE NEEDS THERAPY LMAOO THATS WHAT IVE BEEN SAYING.
-my grandpa technus is in the finale too :) 'well look on the bright side, at least im not downloading them illegally!' he says while stealing dvds. feels like hes calling me out. im watching this series on a bootleg website lmao. anyway, him turning the tech into a transformer. love that
-mASters BLASters sTOp diSAsterS shut the fuck up. you will never be valerie or danny. bite chomp kill. violence
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-my god the 3d/cgi mixed in looks SO BAD IT DIDNT AGE WELL AT ALL
-the white stripe in dannys hair kinda rules tho. did he just KILL HIS GHOST HALF??? 'revert his human half back to normal' UM. you ever unkill yourself. why are his friends/jazz so mad about it, he'll be in a lot less danger!! christ. they can still hunt ghosts!! as humans!! if they want to!! hes 14 if he wanted to be normal. let him. vlads stupid little team has things COVERED apparently. why are they acting like this. jazz would never act like this. is this fake whats going ON
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-oh my god jack was in a college band. vlad was also in the band. what did instruments they play. i didnt need that headline to tell me they sucked, but i want to KNOW MORE REGARDLESS
-valerie was here for 0.3 seconds.
-sam calling danny selfish. the audacity. no one is stopping YOU from hunting ghosts, girl. valerie does it!!
-I'm halfway through the episode and incredibly underwhelmed so far.
-why would they send jack and 3 teens to space to destroy the asteroid. why not professional astronauts. not even the 3 teens that have already been to space this episode...
-jack getting beat up by teenagers. ON TV. IN SPACE. I GUESS. I GUESS EVERYONE AGREED TO SEND JACK BECAUSE..VLAD SAID SO? we know it was to embarrass jack, but why would everyone agree. why didnt any other space program Do More or whatever, they sent like, 3 rockets/missiles tops?? no way
-danny attempting to punch vlad in the face. i WISH HE WOULDVE LANDED THAT HIT.
-vlad outed himself on live tv, on purpose? and BLASTED AT THE TEENAGERS HE HIRED. LMAO. HES HOLDING THE WORLD HOSTAGE, MAKING THEM PAY HIM BILLIONS TO STOP THE STUPID ASTROID. THATS YOUR GRAND PLAN??? REALLY. REALLY. im like. lmfao
-jack just now, on the last episode GETTING TOLD HE MADE VLAD A GHOST. THIS SHOULDVE HAPPENED WAY SOONER. jack's reaction was one of the only times in this entire show hes seemed human. 'an old friend? no. you? yes.' GET HIS ASSSS ACTUALLY. HE STRAIGHT UP LEFT VLAD IN SPACE. GOD DAMN. that is a Murder! I mean, I guess vlad could fly back to earth, but...I mean, he'll have to, right? no food in space. (that we KNOW of...)
-'thE WHolE EArtH, INTangiBLe?!' oh my god.
-...the white strand of hair somehow still had ghost dna, I guess, and getting blasted turned him back into phantom. I GUESS. I GUESS.
-the fentons being the first to clap for danny despite not knowing hes phantom...that was sweet. and very sudden character development, not at all gradual over the course of time or episodes like it probably should have been...
-sam and danny kissing. IT SHOULDVE BEEN VALERIE, BUT OKAY, I GUESS. also, its a little underwhelming, considering theyve kissed already...
-ALL of the ghosts being ready to beat danny's ass? really. no they wouldn't, they've worked together before, and some of those ghosts are friendly!! cringe. why is the last ep written like this. I mean they came thru at the last minute but. was really cringing for a minute there, why did they write it like that
-valerie is there for another 0.3 seconds! ....she should've been more involved. dani is also there! for also like 0.3 seconds. almost fast enough to miss. (btw, I think shes still homeless at this point, are, we going to...do ANYTHING ABOUT THAT IN THE LAST 5 MINS OF THE SHOW)
-the cgi smoke or whatever it is. this whole post is me saying the cgi is bad, but IT IS.
-'danny or should we say. DAAANNNNY.' this is like the 3rd or 4th time hes been outed damn, but to the whole world, again. and valerie saw, and is just. an extra in the bg clapping. bro im so mad.
-TUCKER IS THE NEW MAYOR? WHAT THE FUCK?? HES 14.
-i think. this is still linked to the dream ep a few times ago. hes still dreaming. this is a plot a 14 year old would write. this feels like a bad fanfic. so much got rushed, and not tied up. vlad wasnt really even the villain this episode, a fucking. non-being asteroid was.
-they kiss again. ok. sure. whatever at this point.
-VLAD IS NOW A FREE-ROAMING SPACE NOMAD. I GUESS. THATS. SURE. WHATEVER. THE END, I GUESS. cannot believe I'm saying this, but: they did vlad dirty.
-IF YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE HIM A VILLAIN, MAKE HIM A VILLAIN!!! DON'T MAKE IT A METEOR!!! STOP BEING WISHY WASHY WHO WANTS TO SEE DANNY VS ASTEROID!!! I didnt even WANT vlad to be the final villain because his character is SO back and forth (esp this season.) but he has done some FUCKED UP SHIT AND I WANTED THE WRITERS TO DOUBLE DOWN, PERSONALLY, IF THEY HAD TO MAKE HIM THE FINAL BOSS. the cabin ep where he basically held danny and maddie hostage? FUCKED. THE DANI THING? FUCKED. FUCKING COMMIT AND MAKE HIM ACTUALLY SCARY OR HAVE HIM FUCK OFF AND AGREE TO A TRUCE!! WHAT IS THIS DYING IN SPACE NONSENSE. (and, he will (fully) die out there, right? still half human, still needs food and water. I imagine he'll like, slowly half-die but this time his human side is dying. will he come back 100% ghost? we dONT KNOW. WE DONT GET TO SEE, ITS PLAYED LIKE SOME FUNNY THING AT THE END, THEN THATS IT!!! WHAT!!!)
-I don't know how to articulate how FRUSTRATING THAT IS. having him basically out himself and ''hold the world hostage'' does not track at all in my brain. like. he's always been scary because he is HUMAN, TOO. like, if he was 100% ghost, he'd be LESS scary, but vlad MASTERS has more power and influence than vlad PLASMIUS because of his position as mayor, his money, too, and his (supposed, s3 made me doubt it) intelligence/manipulation skills, and his being in good graces with jack made it HARD FOR DANNY. him outing himself for,, money and to 'control the world' i guess?? MONEY WAS NEVER HIS LIKE, MAIN GOAL. yeah obv he likes money and is materialistic and values his Rich Life, but hes got billions, the end goal? 1. getting maddie (and or danny as his son, but to me he always treated that as secondary) 2. ruining jack. this feels like they wanted to say 'oh he just wants POWER' which is. HMM?? OKAY?? obv he /does/ want power (usually over certain ppl, tho), but seeing him try to get it like this FELT WEIRD SOMEHOW. weird like the ep where he tried and failed to take over various historical civilizations, because like,, how is that realistically going to do anything for him?? just, being in that time forever and never seeing maddie aka Goal #1 again?? HELLO??? this was like that, but worse
-this was such a weird ending to an entire show. why did season 3 only have 13 episodes?? why did it feel so weirdly paced?? WHY WAS THE ENDING LIKE THAT. I think. I am going to pretend I did not see that. fucked up, dudes. I'm like...hm. I shouldn't have watched that because now I'm mad. valerie sweetie im SO sorry you shouldve been more present. it felt like..if they knew this season was going to be short, and the last season, they should've spent more time wrapping up EVERYONE'S plot lines for the entire season. imagine how cool it wouldve been if every single ep of season 3 was working towards something, a big, nice wrap up at the end, with nothing feeling TOO rushed because they'd been heading towards the End for the whole season....
I will probably end up writing a follow up full series thoughts post. In a couple of days so I can sit with my thoughts. BUT. overall, I really liked the show! (ignoring the finale and some of the moments that aged pretty poorly...) it was charming and a fun concept and very fun to watch in general :) and I am pretending the finale didnt happen <3 and Iā€™m gonna dive RIGHT into the dp tags and mix fanart and posts in my queue, very excited to run and look at that šŸƒšŸ» (and, of course, make more fanart myself hehe >:3)
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pfandghoul Ā· 6 years ago
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what the sokovia accords really are
a quick study bc what the fuck guys
(copied from the mcu wiki entry about the accords - all of it and not just parts of it)
here goes:
The currently known regulations established by the Sokovia Accords include:
Any enhanced individuals who agree to sign mustĀ register with theĀ United NationsĀ andĀ provideĀ biometric dataĀ such as fingerprints and DNA samples.
- Any who AGREE to sign. I dont think this is asking too much. If ur working for a government agency, if ur using force in any way during ur work, I think its fair to ask you to give them biometric data. And if its only so in case there is an investigation afterwards (which their always should be imo) its clear distinguishable who was where and did what.
- Also, what if someone suddenly decides "something happened, im changing sides, imma take revenge" (no matter if its a concious decision or brainwashing šŸ‘€)? Would probably be good to have some data and perhaps be able to track them. If its managable or not- hm. But theres no harm in giving that data if ur only goal is working towards a safer world.
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Those with secret identities must reveal their legal names and true identities to the United Nations.
- Oh nooo, no unknown vigilantes that might make mistakes while fighting on their own and then cant be held accountable? No one is perfect, OF COURSE, but from a realistic pov I wouldnt feel safe with someone running around fighting whoever-
And I know we love the romantic comic fantasy of "everybody can be a hero", and I swear I love it as much as you! But imagine ur just a normal person while spiderman is swinging above ur head- or even imagine ur spiderman- and then one tiny thing wents wrong. The normal person is crushed, dead or paralysed- Spiderman is in shock because that was Not supposed to happen and he is so so sorry!- But what now?
- If enhanced people were to work under an organisation (that is ideally not as shady and riddled with Hydra as Shield was) then those incidents would be covered. Yes it would still be terrible but Spiderman would get mandatory therapy session to work through it and the normal person... well if theyre dead then i guess the organisation would at least pay for the funeral and compensate the family (like if they were the only one providing for partner and kids), additionally a conversation between both partys if possible.
-Basically: nothing can be swept under the rug. The enhanced people can be protected!!! PLUS they only have to reveal their identity to the UN and not the world.
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Those with innate powers must submit to a power analysis, which will categorize their threat level and determine potential health risks.
- This would benefit the person with power too, you realize that, dont you?
You cant possibly know how much power you actually have. Is there gonna be another level-up for you? Are you Jean Grey? We wouldnt want to repeat that specific clusterfuck, right?
But if you submit to an analysis it can help find ways to train you, circle ur weaknesses, etc.
Yes the UN would know ur threat level- and that would be bad why? Are you planning to attack Them? If not then no problem. Instead they would know if they should send you in or not- depending... you dont need a level 5 when there is a cat in a tree. We want to avoid unnecessary damage, thank you. If ur a level 1 you also dont want to be on the front lines against an alien invasion for example- better help evacuate non-powered individuals and not die immediately.
- Also worth mentioning: this is all still part of the "if you agree to sign" paragraph
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Those with innate powers must also wear tracking bracelets at all times.
- Yes I admit this one sucks. I could argue the pros but I dont really want to because this one is literally just a "we want to control you" rule and should be scratched.
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Any enhanced individuals who sign are prohibited from taking action in any country other than their own, unless they are first given clearance by either that country's government or by a United Nations subcommittee.
- I really want to think I dont have to say anything here but I feel I do.
No I do not want a guy wearing an american flag running around in my country if my government didnt explicitely allow it. Same for a giant tin man or a creepy spiderlady.
- If anything then this paragraph would help improve the communication between countries. Yes people fear that in emergencies this will all take too long but 1) thats not the Accords fault and 2) I think we already have situations like this irl and most times it does work.
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Governments are forbidden from deploying enhanced individuals outside of their own national borders, unless those individuals are given clearance as described above. The same rule also applies to non-government organizations that operate on a global scale (includingĀ S.H.I.E.L.D.Ā and theĀ Avengers).
- Same reasoning. I really really dont want Shield around with their shady everything.
- And always needing consent before weaking havoc in other countries? nice
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Any enhanced individuals who do not sign will not be allowed to take part in any police, military, or espionage activities, or to otherwise participate in any national or international conflict, even in their own country.
- Basically if you dont sign up then you cant be a super-cop. Groundbreaking.
(This is very much explained in the first paragraph already.)
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As a corollary, they will not be allowed to participate in any active missions undertaken by private or governmental law enforcement/military/intelligence organizations (such as S.H.I.E.L.D. and the Avengers).
- s a m e t h i n g
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Any enhanced individuals who use their powers to break the law (including those who take part in extralegal vigilante activities), or are otherwise deemed to be a threat to the safety of the general public, may be detained indefinitely without trial.
If an enhanced individual violates the Accords, or obstructs the actions of those enforcing the Accords, they may likewise be arrested and detained indefinitely without trial.
- Cancel the without trial part and then Id say its just. This way it stinks and I feel Ross had his hands in this. No, I am not defending this one. Its Not Okay.
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The use of technology to bestow individuals with innate superhuman capabilities is strictly regulated, as is the use and distribution of highly advanced technology (such asĀ AsgardianĀ andĀ ChitauriĀ weaponry).
- You cant just experient and turn urself into the Hulk anymore??? Where is the fun in that?? //sarcasm//
- I dont need to go deeper into this, do I?
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The creation of self-aware artificial intelligences is completely prohibited.
- Here comes a problem. For Tony mostly.
- I can think of a few reasons for this but I dont think many people are even capable of doing this. I think it would bd enough to file a request if you want to try and build an AI.
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TheĀ AvengersĀ will no longer be a private organization and will operate under the supervision of theĀ United Nations.
- See.. all of the above on why this is a good thing?
- The Avengers as a private organisation is actually a super scary thought. And if you arent at least a little freaked out about this (all from the point of looking at this as if it were real) then idk what to tell you.
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For the purposes of the Accords, an "enhanced individual" is defined as any person, human or otherwise, with superhumanĀ capabilities. This includes individuals whose powers are an innate function of their biology as well asĀ individualsĀ who utilize highly advanced technology to grant themselves superhuman capabilities. However, individuals with advanced prostheses do not seem to be considered "enhanced", even if their prostheses give them capabilities beyond those of ordinary humans.Ā 
- Basically just explaining what they mean by "enhanced individual": people with powers. Doesnt matter if you are born with ur power or built urself a supersuit.
-If you got leg protheses that are super bouncy you arent considered an "enhanced individual" (to put it as simple as possible).
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All members of the Avengers are subject to the same conditions as enhanced individuals, even if they are not enhanced themselves:Ā Black WidowĀ was required to sign so she could continue serving on the Avengers, andĀ HawkeyeĀ was incarcerated on the Raft after violating the Accords.
- I think this is fair because if you consider urself an Avenger and fight with them then you also should be held accountable.
- You wouldnt want a Someone to work in super-person capacity which both gives a great deal of responsibility and allows a high chance of fuck ups and destruction without them having any regulations, okay?
AND THATS ALL THERE IS
THATS ALL THE MCU WIKI SAYS THERE IS
Which is ofc bullshit because the Accords were thick and 117 countries worked on them for idk how long. Do you understand what that takes? The compromises and politic battles thats been fought over this document?
And yes it is still not perfect.
But who in the seven Hells said that this was the final draft? Who??
"I dont wanna sign away my freedom of choice" F you! What about my freedom of choice of having some costumed weirdos run around my town blowing stuff up killing people?
"We cant save everyone" yEAH but maybe just mAyBe if you werent a dumb cunt then mayyybe with some teamwork with the countries respective secrurity personell (as every fucking country does have) then maybe Kyle, Maria and Dembe would still be alive?? Who knows.
So what I hear is "I dont wanna give up my freedom and continue to do as I see fit. Because I think I am a better judge than a UN committee and 117 governments that dont want me breaking into their countries on a semi-regular basis."
and thats why im generally pro-Accords :)
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(part 1) ur gonna roast me for this but im legit curious why mafia AUs are so bad? im asking in a non confrontational way, i get it romanticizing mafia is wrong, but i also believe that 1)most mafia AUs are a really toned down type of mafia;2)they do make for some interesting kinds of dynamics with fanart and with fics; 3)in a fic specifically u can create your own world and call something mafia and still make it so they don't kill innocent people but only idk members of other gangs or sth
(part 2) plus theyre a way to put ur charas in a completely diff context and see what theyll do. i mean i dont believe that writing ships in a certain context (like mafia) equals romanticizing that context. mafia AUs arent even my fav things to read (in fact i almost never do), im sure many ppl romanticize it and i obvs dont agree with that but im just trying to udnerstand bc i believe fandoms are a way to explore things that we normally wouldnt.
Iā€™m not gonna roast you donā€™t worry xD okay wait let me check if I replied to this already if yes Iā€™m gonna c/p because itā€™s half past midnight otherwise Iā€™ll just go at it again wait *checks tags* fff obviously I donā€™t have a general post but anyway pls read thisĀ after youā€™ve done with my post and then thisĀ which is also choke-full of links. plus for a (not nice) laugh: here. AH WAIT I FOUND THE POST.
okay, so, letā€™s have it out of the way: I have nothingĀ against mob aus or crime aus. I have a problem against calling them mafiaĀ AUs because in the US mafia = organized crime at large, in Italy mafia = ACTUAL EXISTING ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE ACTIVELY HARMFUL. now that I introduced the topic Iā€™ll c/p you the reply I gave to another anon who while discussing the issue pointed out that most writers donā€™t even know Italian mafia is a thing, which is pretty much on the same discourse so...
*The thing is - in the US it might not be enough of a deal anymore and I honestly do get why people make the mafia = regular mobsters, since the mafia was the first foreign organized crime being exported to the US via italian immigrants (sorry if this sounds horrible in English but I just woke up and I still didnā€™t have coffee) so I understand that mafia became the umbrella term.But the thing is that - as you said, these people donā€™t even know that thereā€™s a mafia in Italy anymore or where the word comes from.
Ā Iā€™m going to link to italiansreclaimingitalyā€™s tag about the mafia and its perception outside Italy because they posted about this extensively and itā€™s an excellent resource, but meanwhile Iā€™m gonna do a very short bullet point list and about the topic:
Mafia might not be a big deal in the US, but it still is here. We have the beauty of four different mafias (Cosa Nostra - the Sicilian one, camorra which is the one in Campania but has tendrils spread everywhere, the 'ndrangheta which is in Calabria and the Sacra Corona Unita in Puglia) which are all active [especially camorra and 'ndrangheta] and whose actions have direct impact (negative) on our economy and on our society. Actually mafias are one of the main reasons weā€™re currently economically fucked up, and if I start talking about how mafia culture keeps some areas literally backwards I could talk about it for three months.
There are still people who are killed for standing up against them. These days the most prominent personality is Roberto Saviano who is a writer who dared to put together a book documenting minutely the way camorra works and heā€™s been living under protection for years by this point. Like, they want him dead because he wrote a book. And Iā€™m sorta sure that he was talking about leaving Italy and going to the US after years of sticking with it here because he canā€™t take it anymore but I donā€™t know if it was a taken decision or if itā€™s still debating it.
It wasnā€™t even thirty years ago that we had the stragi di mafia - in english itā€™d be something like the mafia slaughters, basically around the beginning of the nineties there were a number of bombs planted by the mafia targeting people who were trying to oppose it including judges Falcone and Borsellino, actually the anniversary of Falconeā€™s death is like... tomorrow. And theyā€™ve killed people for way longer than that. Here is a list of only Cosa Nostra victims including the ones from the eighties/nineties. And people are still dying because of it. The slaughters Iā€™m referring to are just the ones in the nineties which are enough of a number.
They also perpetuate a culture where if you testify against your mafia-employed relatives youā€™ll be shunned forever. There are women who testified against their families and couldnā€™t see their children anymore never mind that they werenā€™t automatically considered a relative anymore the moment they sided against the mafia. Some people have committed suicide after becoming witnesses also because our police force/justice system can be terribly non-supportive in this kind of situation so they got left on their own. Never mind that back in the day - it was the beginning of the nineties? - I recall at least a particular story of - I think, correct me if I remember wrong but I canā€™t remember the names for the life of me - where this guy testified against the local mafia when he either used to work for them or was forced to pay them the pizzo and in retaliation his six-year old (or five? Anyway he had a son younger than ten for sure) got kidnapped, killed and thrown into acid to dispose of the body. That happened in what, 1993? 1994? Itā€™s pretty much yesterday. And now the camorra is doing the same - thereā€™s a list here of camorra victims among which accidental passerbys that got killed because they were in the way which I can tell just by glancing is not complete. And Iā€™m not even going into the 'ndrangheta. That is to say, here mafia still kills people and cripples our country.
Now, I get that itā€™s a word, but the point was: letā€™s say that instead of the Italians the Japanese came to the US first and the umbrella word for organized crime was yakuza rather than mafia and letā€™s say yakuza was still what it was originally in Japan while in the US it stopped being a big deal and people write yakuza!AU instead of mafia AU. Letā€™s say someone Japanese gets angry at that and goes like 'listen the yakuza is a real deal it does this this this and that and itā€™s a plague in our country so can you please at least look it up before writing your fanficā€™, which is what had happened way back then when this whole mafia and fanfic thing blew up. A bunch of people told us to get over it because itā€™s just a word and if itā€™s a problem in Italy itā€™s not in the US so why should they care? Now, if we had been Japanese (or Chinese or Russian or Mexican) would they have said the same thing? Considering the general tumblr attitude Iā€™m pretty sure they would have received either an apology or 'this is an important deal letā€™s keep that in mindā€™ with signal boost reblogs and stuff.Ā 
Itā€™s the fact that we should get over people not knowing that itā€™s still a real problem for us and that they canā€™t take five seconds to google it that is the problem imo. Especially when instead of mafia au you can just say mobsters au or tag it as organized crime and everyone is a lot happier, mostly because as the tag above explains romanticising the mafia is a good thing for them because it means they can act outside Italy with less stigma because everyone thinks that the mafia is dead or not relevant anymore, if Iā€™m explaining myself. (And itā€™s active outside Italy - like, there was a mafia kill in Germany in 2007 where six people died (sorry the link is in Italian but there isnā€™t an English wiki page, if you look the city up youā€™ll find something probably) and it was because of the 'ndrangheta.
Iā€™d really like to not get worked over it because it meant it was a thing of the past y'know, but the problem is that it isnā€™t and Iā€™d rather spread some awareness in hope some of these writers look it up (because itā€™s a good thing that people know what mafia is since as stated they have tendrils everywhere - if you read Savianoā€™s book the entire first chapter is about how camorra regularly deals with Chinese import/export in Italy for one) than shrug and figure that since theyā€™ll think everything is good for fanfic then itā€™s not even worth my time.*
Now, ^^^ that was the c/p-ed reply that should answer most of your doubts. What I didnā€™t address was:
im sure many ppl romanticize it and i obvs dont agree with that but im just trying to udnerstand bc i believe fandoms are a way to explore things that we normally wouldnt.
aaaand as we say here in Italy, this is where the donkey falls (sorry we have weird sayings), because in theory thereā€™s nothing wrong with that... except that in 99% of the mafia aus Iā€™ve seen around the thing is that theyā€™re supposed to be cute.
like, I see a lotĀ of shit with TINY MAFIA BOSS STEVE ROGERS with RUSSIAN ENFORCER BUCKY (????? bucky isnā€™t even russian???) and the yoi thing I saw before had the japanese character being the leader of a russian mafia gang which is... like... guys it doesnā€™t happen it really doesnā€™t, and a lot of them re-use wrongly terminology taken from the godfather without context or knowing what the hell it means, and itā€™s always from the criminalsā€™ pov and theyā€™re somehow seen as criminals doing justice where the police canā€™t (???) and like... no. mafia bosses/enforcers/employees are bad peopleĀ period, and at least here if you try to leave or repent they kill your family in retribution. like, not even ten years ago thereā€™s been a woman who used to belong to a mafia family (or one colluded with the mafia) who testified and her entire town/family shunned her and she couldnā€™t take it anymore and... killed herself drinking acid if I donā€™t recall wrong. itā€™s not even special cases. this shit is notĀ funny, itā€™s not cute, itā€™s not adorable and itā€™s not good fodder for your imagine your otp scenario (srsly I saw one like.. let me find it,
LIKE. just look at this shit. in a regularĀ context, the enforcer goes to the show owner to force them to pay a monthly sum to their boss lest they destroy their shop and their lives and their familyā€™s lifeĀ never mind that mafia culture is deeplyĀ homophobic so the mafia enforcer flirting with the shopkeeper is like completely fucking out of the question. I mean, people here like to shit on the sopranos but that show was actually excellentĀ representation of Horrid Criminals Who Were Never Supposed To Be Good People and the small arc that happened when one of tonyā€™s friends turned out to be gay (closeted) was REALLY well done. btw, it ended that when they found out he was gay most of the crowd rejected him and thought badly of him until I think they killed him also for other reasons, but that spiraled from finding out he liked dick. and thatā€™s american mafia that they actually based on well-done research of the culture in Italy it came from, I assure you that here it doesnā€™t work that differently. like. the shit above is so inaccurate and frankly offensive, itā€™s like... I get people romanticizing problematic stuff but the thing is that when you tell them that itā€™s actually offensive you get brushed off asĀ ā€˜ah well youā€™re being too sensitive itā€™s just a word u__uā€™. now, Iā€™m allĀ for exploring shit we wouldnā€™t be into, but not like THAT, because thatā€™s like mafia romantic comedy and thatā€™s not how it works. now, you wanna do a fic where the mafia characters are deeply flawed and bad peopleĀ and the police tries to catch them? fine, great, go ahead. you wanna do a fic where the enforcer above deals with dunno an entire life of internalized homophobiaĀ when he finds the shopkeeper attractive and feels conflicted over having to con money out of him and doing horrible shit for a living and maybe understanding that crime isnā€™t worth it and then he actually collaborates with the police and gets shit from about everyone he knows and lovesĀ for that? okay, awesome, go ahead. nothing bad in that.
but the shit above is notĀ exploring things we wouldnā€™t/writing darkfic, itā€™s THINKING THAT A CRIMINAL ORGANIZATION WHICH IS STILL A THING IN OUR PART OF THE WORLD IS CUTEĀ AND ADORABLE. and that only plays in their favor because it takes the bad aura out of the word and we really should not let that happen. like. thatĀ is what is bad about mafia aus and mafia discourse, that people donā€™t realize the mafia is alive and well and thriving and not a thing that doesnā€™t exist or a generic word for organized crime.
you wanna write the shit above? okay, CALL IT CRIME AU or mob au, not mafia au.
btw, add-on: idk if I mentioned it in the above post or not, but in case I didnā€™t, I said that people would balk at the idea of a mexican cartel au. sadlyĀ since then Iā€™ve found out a fandom where not only there is one but itā€™s also extra cutesy and people apparently love it and it has a bunch of kudos/comments and idek Iā€™m not even touching thatĀ with a ten foot pole but like... Iā€™ve avoided it and everything that author wrote because to me itā€™s just... nope. like, nope. if you do mafia aus donā€™t make them fucking cute. (also: in the same fandom I had to mute a v. famous fanartist whose art I actually liked but did cutesy mafia aus and.. like... haahahhaahahahahaha nah sorry. canā€™t go there. nope.)
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booksandchainmail Ā· 6 years ago
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nanoha vivid liveblog: episode 8
TOURNAMENT RC TOURNAMENT ARC TOURNAMENT ARC
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oh the castle from the op
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and looks like itā€™s the saint church, makes sense
ā€¦ this was probably already established, I just forgot
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must be awkward fighting clone jesus in a tournament when youre a nun
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this is a really good point, and also raises questions about vivioā€™s friends all training together
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some sort of invisibility?
Oh no wait she was the speedster right? So too fast to be seen
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Also, cool device design
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OH FUCK YEAH I LOVE TONFA
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Okay, paying attention during the tournament section of the op this time, and it looks like harry punching with fire,Ā 
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victoria with a polearm and lightning,
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unknown glasses girl with chain circles,Ā chantez with her tonfa (do they spin?),Ā 
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shrine maiden with a katana,Ā 
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miura gets a longer segment,Ā 
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and then sieglinde still hooded
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That is the least trustworthy thing you could possibly say
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called it
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I feel like attacking before your opponent is armed is cheating
Then again, vivio was in a fighting stance and ready to go, so maybe its legit
Also, on a closer look I think chantezā€™s weapons could also be wielded like swords (edit from later: no kidding she can, her style was listed as dual swords)
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Huh, have we ever seen a non-transforming power up before?
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naruto run
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eye glint! magic is happening her folks
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i will never get over how happy vivio looks all the time when sheā€™s fighting
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dramatic much?
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wait what
(also i promise this looks genuinely worrying when its not a screencap paused on a goofy mouth)Ā 
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oh okay it was a vision? Killer intent or whatever?
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Do not tempt fate like that chantez
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like i said, maybe donā€™t fight clone jesus in church when you are a literal nun
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dā€™awww
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itā€™s the tie club
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awww, they have a family gesture thing
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KITTIES
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...okay, those particular kitties are kinda doofy looking around the faces
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agito has good clothes
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AWWWWWWWW
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HOW DARE YOU NOT LIKE THE CAT
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LOOKIT HIM
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thank you for giving this child one soft cute thing, even if it also a weapon
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BABY KITTIES
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well fuck now im sad
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oh gods
so they just actually are nerds
okay then
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thatā€™s a really good name that i had completely forgotten from the manga and am now suddenly flashing back to
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this is very fair, and a major disadvantage of being an unarmed fighter. normally that gets mitigated by speed i guess, but no one in this show seems to have trouble swinging giant weapons around, so that might not actually give an advantage
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So golem practice for corona, and maybe some basic review just in case her golem goes down? Though at the level sheā€™ll be competing at, basic skills probably wonā€™t help
More martial arts for rio I guess. It might be better for to be training with her family since she uses their style?
And vivio either needs a weapon, which I kinda doubt based on the shape of this anime, or techniques to counter weapons and range
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With who? I guess it could be chantez, but that seems implausible for the whole ā€œgoing to be competing against each other thingā€
Presumably the tsab group is too busy with work, and hayate has her own candidate, so maybe another number?
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Oh so it was another competitor, and a new character. Bit of a conflict of interest there, but im glad nove has made friends
And holy hells is she experienced
actually, I took a look at the wiki, and nove is technically 17 (barring clone weirdness). Which means sheā€™s younger than this girl, and could totally be participating in this tournament. Honestly, if your teenagerā€™s tournament has coaches who could compete in the age bracket theyā€™re coaching itā€™s probably a sign you should narrow the brackets.Ā 
That said, Iā€™m guessing nove doesnā€™t compete because this is a civilian tournament, and even four years on I doubt she sees herself as a civiliain
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Soā€¦ do you have any strengths?
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... they used to belong to jesus, so if anyone youā€™re fighting is religious itā€™ll throw them off?
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Okay, I thought nove was just going to go for some sagebrecht power thing, given the eyes association, but using the cradle would probably disqualify vivio
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~magical girl show technically~
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called it!
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didnā€™t call it!
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Yeah, nanoha probably has access to a hell of a lot of training materials, plus footage of high power fights
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oh, for chris? didnā€™t think of that
... the fact that heā€™s looking for this on his own raises disturbing questions about how sentient devices are
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this reminds me a lot of bnha where baby izuku watches all might, except its just a tiny plushie
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BUSTER HEAD
THE BEST NAME
Oh thatā€™s gonna be hard for rio
Though they both have similar personalities I think? And maybe both use flames? So could be a fun matchup
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So thatā€™s sword girl against vivio? And her weakness is weapons, and that girl has a long swordā€¦
Honestly kinda surprised it doesnā€™t look like einhart and vivio will fight each other
Maybe theyā€™re saving that for past the qualifiers? But honestly with the power levels weā€™ve been shown, idk if vivio could make it realistically, and idk how much this show will push protagonist plot powers
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OHĀ 
So we do have two of our protag group in direct competition, but not a pairing thatā€™s thematic
Huh
And no mention of who else is in that group. Probably at least one other important character? Victoria or sieglinde would have belkan relevance to einhart
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theyre also so sweet and kind about violence
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good team name!
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Every group competing at once is probably the only practical way to get through this many people, but it must be annoying if two good/personal matches are on at once
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this yearā€™s contestants are noticeably more anime than the girls in the video from earlier
also, are there any guys in this thing? thereā€™s no mention of it not being co-ed, so i guess were just running on nanoha rules of very few guys existing
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His voice is so deep
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There are at least 367 contestants in this thing? Even with six matches at once, thatā€™s at least 60 rounds, and those things could run for a while
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Oh sheā€™s tiny and excitable, itā€™s like vivioā€™s mirror
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HOW MANY CONTESTANTS ARE THERE?!!
also they canā€™t use devices this round, whichĀ makes things fairer I guess. Probably non-device weapons are allowed, otherwise this would bias towards hand-to-hand fighters, but this levels the playing field in terms of money and equipment
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Someone weve never seen before, whoā€™s disparaging towards our protagonistā€¦ yeah sheā€™s going down
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she is so nervous
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in utter contrast to literally all of teachers being battle hardened knights
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so sheā€™s kicking focused? a good contrast to all the punch girls
also, im a big fan of miuraā€™s opponent
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MAGICAL GIRL LYRICAL NANOHA: where tiny girls beat up teenagers
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Oh so thatā€™s the personally important matchup theyā€™re going for
also i guess it isnā€™t one ring per group
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anti-dennor Ā· 8 years ago
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masterpost on why mod norway hates den//nor a lot without mentioning kin stuff or specific ships that are better
disclaimer: this post isnā€™t to start an argument, the only reason Iā€™m making it is to organize my thoughts about den//nor because @ adhd wyd.Ā 
This is okay to reblog, but I will ignore any and all reblogs adding on things about how Iā€™m wrong. This is based off a mix of opinion, canon and scientific evidence about attraction, and I really, really, donā€™t want to argue about den//nor, especially with people who ship it. So really, for the sake of my mental health and your time, donā€™t bother arguing with my stubborn ass. Iā€™m not going to change my stance on this and thereā€™s nothing you can say to change that.
contents: yaoi / itā€™d be unhealthy (for both of them) / the actual shippers / dynamic
yaoi.
Iā€™m not saying I dislike gay ships, no. I live for gay ships, Iā€™m a gay male, I love mlm ships. Big comfort material. I dislike yaoi, gay ships are fine and dandy. Yaoi is gross.
Yaoi (ā€Also called BL (Boyā€™s Love) and Shounen Ai, yaoi is a genre of manga that fetishizes m/m relationships and relies on homophobic stereotypes for plot and character devices.ā€), and fujioshis.
ā€œIn most yaoi mangas, there is one agressive masculine man who preys upon an usually much younger, submissive feminine man. It strengthens the homophobic myth of gay men being predators and pedophiles.ā€
Doesnā€™t that sound a lot how the fandom portrays Denmark and Norway? Denmark is canonically the same height as Norway (Well, Norway is like an inch shorter at most), and the two have about the same body shape. Yet what do yā€™all fujioshis do? Draw Norway as some femme boy thatā€™s like a foot shorter than Denmark.
ā€œIt also relies on heteronormative stereotypes, where there are always strict uke/seme roles in bed, as well as a feminine caring and a masculine powerful dynamic in the relationship outside of the bed. Ā ā€œ
Again, what do yā€™all do? Make Norway super femme and oh so much smarter than Denmark, making Denmark the unhealthily powerful one -- Bringing me to my next point;
itā€™d be unhealthy (for both of them).
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ā€œThey have known each other since childhood, but while Denmark considers the two of them to be like best friends and believes that Norway thinks the same way he does, he is unaware of Norway's blunt teasing.[7] Norway frequently refers to him as anko[12], a term Himaruya has described as having a nuance like older brother or oniichan, the familiar form of big brother, and having a classmate-like feeling.[13]ā€
ā€œMain article: Norway
Norway is a childhood friend of Denmark's, who he feels rather close to and strongly about, believing that Norway sees him the same way as a "best friend."Ā ā€œ
(source: Norways wikiĀ & Denmarks wiki)
Since Iā€™m not sure how to word it; lets take my parents for example; theyā€™d been dating since they were 15 (fifteen) until they were like 23-24. My mom used to go over to his house every. single. day. because she felt more at home there than at her own home. They never argued, they were like a perfect relationship almost. Why they broke up? My mom, and I quote,Ā ā€œsaw him more like a brother than a lover.ā€ Which is a completely justified reason to break up! My parents have the same relationship as siblings. Now, if my parents felt like siblings after 8 years of growing up together; imagine the bond that Denmark and Norway have.
They grew up together for thousands of years! Meaning theyā€™d be much, much closer than my parents were. So maybe they couldā€™ve dated at some point in their history, but I can see them doing the same thing my parents did; break up because they felt like siblings/being best friends would be better. Plus, you donā€™t call your lover ā€œbrotherā€, even if youā€™re not actually related or donā€™t mean it as sibling-way especially if you have other, blood-related, siblings.
Why would a relationship be unhealthy for the both of them?
Because if they feel like brothers, then you get the same unhealthy benefits of actual incest from theĀ Westermarck effect,Ā ā€œa hypothetical psychological effect through which people who live in close domestic proximity during the first few years of their lives become desensitized to sexual attraction.ā€ Which, guess what, Denmark and Norway have known each other since childhood,Ā 
Fujioshis turning the shp into yaoi + the westermarck effect; what do we have?
If you put the two into a relationship youā€™re implying that one of them is unconsciously forcing themselves onto the other. Or just, yā€™know, people straight up writing something like Danish Slaughter House - a fanfiction where Denmark straight up rapes and kills all the Nordics.
And speaking of Danish Slaughter House, letā€™s move on to the next point;
the actual shippers.
I donā€™t even know where to start with this one. I guess Iā€™ll start with shamchat, a great site, I spend a lot of time there - as one of my biggest hobbies in the past few years is roleplaying. I have almost 2 years of experience with writing Norway. The thing is, when I come across Denmarks on the site it almost always, if theyre a Dennor shipper, starts off as something like:
Best friends hanging out -> Denmark asks Norway to do something with him -> Norway is busy -> Denmark gets sad -> Norway tries to make him feel better -> Denmark confesses feelings.
what? and then Norway will tell Denmark that he sees him as a brother or just doesnā€™t feel the same, and then thereā€™s a long range of reactions Iā€™ve gotten from Denmarks with this, some of the worst including being harassed ooc for not shipping it, being guilted ooc for not shipping it (@ my RSD, someone telling me that theyā€™re crying because I donā€™t ship something just. x20 as bad as neurotypicals), Denmark trying to force himself onto Norway sexually, and there was actually one where they had Denmark threaten to kill whoever Norway had feelings for.
For fucks sake! Once I was on as FtM!Caught Binding!Norway because I was feeling incredibly dysphoric, and I had a Denmark threaten to out Norway to the other Nordics, while Norway was begging him not to, and when he finally agreed not to Ā - which took actually making Norway (and me for that matter, since I have really big emotional ties with Norway) cry - he immediately jumps to a confession, which Norway sorta tells him off because what makes anyone think after threatening to out someone as trans theyā€™re gonna accept a uwu love confession uwu uwu, which in turn upset Denmark and the entire rp turns to them - Norway trying to make him feel better, telling him that heā€™s his brother and always will be, etc. Making the biggest effort to make him feel better, but no instead he runs away to his bedroom, locks himself in his closet and tried to stab himself to death.
Most of these were done while I was on mobile, so unfortunately I donā€™t have saves to them.
Am I upset that you people portray Denmark horribly? Of course. My point isnā€™t the portrayals of Denmark here, though. Because the canon portrayal of Denmark is actually pretty fit for Norway, not going to lie, but my point is about how the shippers pull bullshit like this when someone doesnā€™t like their ship, which again ties into the homophobia of yaoi.
ā€œMany mangas in this genre also have a plot centered around rape (the seme/top rapes the uke/bottom, then the uke realizes he actually loves the seme and allows the relationship to continue), abuse (physical, where the seme will hurt the uke, or emotional, where either part will threaten things as far as suicide if the other part dares to leave them), pedophilia (shota is a subgenre of yaoi in which boys as young as 5-6 will have sexual relationships with middle aged men). ā€œ
Most of these Iā€™ve actually had to deal with personally aside from the pedophilia/shota bit, while Iā€™ve never actually done an rp with someone as Shota!Denmark (I skip anyone who thinks shota is ok), Iā€™ve seen them around, along with Shota!Norways.
Iā€™m not going to start with the amount of Denmarkā€™s on shamchat idealizing Norway in every way, shape and form.
dynamic.
Admittedly, Denmark is an almost ideal guy for Norway personality-wise, with how socially inept Norway is (Which Denmark can still be there for him if theyā€™re friends), but for Denmark, Norway isnā€™t super suitable. The idea that Denmark needs someone to keep him in check is a little, how do I say it, wrong. Denmark is over 2000 years old, heā€™s smart enough to keep himself in check, while it would be nice for him to have someone to be there to tell himĀ ā€œYouā€™re being too loudā€ and to give him a little help here and there, best friends can do that, can they not? As for a romantic partner, Denmark would probably be better matched with someone who doesnā€™t have trouble complimenting people or doing things solely to please him.
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Denmark has his self image as a priority, and as shown by the above strips Iā€™ve given, Norway isnā€™t the best to give him that. Norway is better at subtly doing things for people he cares for, not outright stating and cheering for him - which I did try to find the part of a strip where Denmark was imagining Norway and Iceland cheering for him (Or something like that), I couldnā€™t find it, but that one in specific emphasizes that a romantic relationship between Denmark and Norway wouldnā€™t quite work the same way their brothery relationship works.
Everyone teases and gets into arguments with their siblings, (Which Norway does tease & occasionally insult Denmark) and you always know that everything your sibling says to insult you isnā€™t serious, but even though Denmark ā€œblatantly ignores offensive and aggressive social tones ā€, that doesnā€™t mean he doesnā€™t pick up on them and he holds himself up too high for it to be a healthy relationship romantically if for either of them if Norway isnā€™t going to be positive, Norway is kinda negative and Denmark contrasts that greatly, but if Norway canā€™t give Denmark flattery and self esteem boosts straightforwardly, then Denmark wonā€™t be happy in the relationship, which makes him less positive, making him less ideal for Norway. Whereas if they just stay as brothers, itā€™s easier for Denmark to just brush off any teasing or criticism Norway might have.
As for romantic relationships for Norway, I did say earlier that Norway needs someone whoā€™s positive, good at social interaction, cheerful, friendly, etc. He also needs someone who easily picks up on the little things he does and isnā€™t extremely high-maintenance when it comes to needing flattery. Someone that Norway doesnā€™t have to be straightforward with. While weā€™re at it, Iā€™ll also mention why someone who isnā€™t these things wouldnā€™t work, Norway needs someone positive and good at social interaction because heā€™s not these things, (Heā€™s said it himself, he is painfully shy around strangers as he resolved to leave upon seeing them; yes Iā€™m ignoring that he did all that speaking right after he said that, this is because Iā€™m going off the it was only there for comedic purposes and doesnā€™t mean anything), and he needs someone cheery/friendly to contrast himself (Iā€™m not saying he isn't friendly! He is quite that, but isnā€™t great at expressing it.), since a relationship between two characters who are really apathetic about a lot of things would just end in them thinking theyre apathetic abt each other. Picking up on little things + not needing to be straightforward with is kinda self explanatory after the stuff about Denmark.
Anyways, back on track. Kinda? Conclusion.
I do like theĀ ā€œquiet one & loud oneā€/ā€opposites attractā€/similar tropes a lot, but when it comes to Denmark and Norway it doesnā€™t quite work out as well as others might. Especially with fandom misportrayals, it kinda ruins the pairing for me.
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