#tged og!lloyd

[sa2mping]

twins au… yeah… yeah… *nods*

[lynn-tged-posting]

so i've been working through the tged webnovel (really, really slowly) (but im getting there!) (it's been REALLY fun i love their banter so so much i wish there was more of it in the webtoon)

and i keep thinking back to chapter 43, where lloyd is surveying the wetlands and arcos comes with him

i don't really have much new insight, i just think about their interaction in this chapter a lot, especially since it's one that doesn't show up in the webtoon adaptation

arcos going out of his way to spend time with his son, and making him a lunch that he knows his son loved, all as an unspoken apology

because "how could he", right? how could a father hate his son and only start to love him again when success has been found? that's so haunting to realize; that someone you loved so much, someone you raised and nurtured, someone you knew the favorite foods of and why, could become someone you hate. and then, the son you once raised, the son who became a stranger, went and grew up without you.

did i give up too soon? did i abandon my own son? ... what kind of father does that? ... right?

and so he does what he can to offer repentance. he takes time out of his day to engage with what his son is doing. he shows that he still remembers his son, the boy who would rather eat boiled eggs and tomatoes over any other dish. he offers it all in a basket, carrying the love he feels he should've given to lloyd a long, long time ago.

... and it's not even the original lloyd frontera who receives it.

we don't get to know what suho is thinking in this moment, but i think his silence speaks volumes.

... because "how could he", right? how could this fraud in another man's body accept this silent apology that isn't truly owed to him? this man, this baron, this father, is asking for forgiveness when he had every right to be angry with the original owner of this body. and he doesn't even realize, because how would he possibly know his original fate? only you do.

this wasn't meant for me ... right?

but suho doesn't reject him, either. he doesn't interrupt arcos, he doesn't leave. they sit together and eat boiled eggs with honeyed tomatoes in silence.

it makes me wonder what suho is thinking about, what he's feeling, what he's remembering...

because (and call me crazy, call me speculative) heaven knows the love language of an asian parent.

here's some cut fruit. here's your favorite snack. here's dinner. i've brought it here to you.

you're working so, so hard. i'll support you, i'll be here. don't worry about anything else, just keep growing.

i love you, i love you, i love you, attached to every plate.

"this was your favorite food when you were young. ... i should have given you as many boiled eggs and tomatoes as you wanted."

and again, it's a little bit of speculation from me, but i think that's why suho doesn't say no, why he lets arcos make this apology. it's a piece of what he misses most.

and so they both leave a little bit healed. "the basket was lighter on the way home. and albeit very slightly, their steps became lighter as well." it might not have been between the right souls, but it's a weight lifted nonetheless.

... all this to say that i am absolutely MOURNING that this didn't make it into the adaptation!!!

i understand that with comic adaptations, there are going to be some cuts to ensure pacing and workload stays reasonable, but this would've been absolutely devastatingly emotional (/pos) to witness visually,

because what would lloyd's (suho's) face look like? what expression would he make, can we visually see how he feels? and arcos, what does he see when he looks at his son? fatherly love and solemn regret, painted all over his face, what does that look like to the adapter? to the artist? to us?

and in general too, we lost the characterization and relationship of arcos to suho; i really, really wish it made it in :(

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[lloydfrontera]

i also like to think that as children javier and og lloyd got locked in a toxic cycle where javier felt like he had to. make up. for og lloyd's bad behavior. like a part of him recognized that his presence in the household was causing og lloyd to act up even worse than he already did normally and he tried to make up for the trouble he 'caused' by being as good of a kid as he could. and this in turn made og lloyd hate him even more because he saw it as an attempt to make him look like a worse son by comparison and that made him act up even more. and then the cycle repeats.

[ying-doodles]

y'all should read rebar by @/jessepinwheel, it's about an au where suho can see og!lloyd's ghost and it's very well-written!

some fanart of the last chapter where javier is very confused about suho:

some design notes:

to differentiate the two lloyds, I decided to draw og!lloyd with the early webtoon hair (episodes 1 - 14)- :P honestly, he somehow seems more like a punk that way, which fits.

I drew suho's sword pommel like that cause it looks vaguely like a shovel handle lol-

EDIT: guys, I actually went back and fixed the hands cause they were bothering me so much,, (also I forgot to fill in suho's pants LMAO-)

[kishiqo]

love how everyone has come to the conclusion that Lloyd is not the original Lloyd but they aren't going to do anything about it because they like this one better

[arezenithofyouthlove]

"Victorian Headless Couple Portrait"

[go-against-fate]

thievin stealin ‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️

taking whats not yours has been playing in my head on repeat and im in the mood to draw lloyjavi so. why not. Have tv girl og lloyjavi

also gift art for @arezenithofyouthlove :3c

[mortimemedoodles]

from chapter 101 of my tged fic right here lol

[procuder]

what is this.

Seriously, like, what on earth is happening. What on earth is happening here. I thought it would turn out better, but no, I raised my hopes too high.

How they portray og Lloyd's character??? Like, god excuse me Lee Hyunmin-nim, but what the hell??? Are you? ???????????

At first, I didn't think it would be this bad. What makes you think that Lloyd's mistreatment of Javier for so long was simply because he didn't know what to do when he was a kid, and he always wanted to be Javier's friend? I was quite interested in Lloyd's character. So this is it. FOR GOD'S SAKE, WHAT THE HELL??????????????

It was almost good, because, of course, he felt inferior to Javier when Arcos adopted him. It's normal for a 10-year-old to feel jealous and feel like they're about to steal their affection, especially if that child looks better than them in every way. And especially if they know that they will never be like that because they don't think they are good enough. Of course, that's just his own pov btw. I already know how much his family loves him. But that's what can happen, right? Because I don't like who I am also, and I know in my heart that my family loves me, but still🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

And yes that shit happened. So 😮‍💨

BUT IF. IF. If he could think like whatever you made him in the webcomic, he would have done it a long time ago. If this were his actual character's trait, he would have done it long ago. I didn't even think he'd apologize for something like this and in this way, you know? He always thought that he would change something in his life in the next life instead of. Yeah. Whatever tf he is doing in the webcomic here. I won't argue with you that Lloyd feels guilty for his family. But. Not with Javier. He hated Javier as much as Javier hated him, and he always would. I really wonder what makes you see Lloyd like that? Great. Now people who only read webcomic will 😮‍💨😮‍💨🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️ SHAKING MY HEAD.

“I'm sorry I broke that wooden sword. Actually, I want to be friends." MY ASS what????? Is this where you sacrifice so many details for?? what??? I have so many things to say, but my God. I'M DONE.

And more than that, you changed Lloyd's will just because he was reincarnated as Suho? He doesn't want to deal with human stuff anymore, and he wants to be reincarnated as a whale because he doesn't like the stuffy atmosphere of hell. Yes, that's it. Easy and simple. The funny idea of someone who has been hiding in hell for a long time and fears of being eaten by the devil. But now you have changed him to want to be reincarnated as a human again to be a better person and work harder than Suho???

Excuse me, WHAT? He wants to work hard?? What makes you think that way out of all his character? Oh my god, they also cut out the scene where Javier, despite not liking Lloyd, wishes him a good new life. Huh? Okay??

THEY EVEN CHANGED HOW TIME RUNS. What is the point. WHAT IS THE POINT??? How important is it to change it? How important is it? From 1 month = 1 day to 1 month = 1 hour?? I wonder if there's any need for you to change it. Are you making a new story or adapting it?

But considering the fact that bk_moon approved every change, then it was...okay, never mind.

Anyway this chapter is pain hold your disappointment before reading it...😭

Oh yes, more than 3 times of Hellkaros thoughts of wanting to go home were completely omitted and now Javier and Lloyd were going to find the Dragon King. Great.

:(

I want my cookies back.

[littleravenette]

au where javier is a famous cosplayer who is a tad bit obsessed with a construction worker and kim suho is that construction worker

kim suho's parents are still dead btw

og!lloyd and the frontera family are alive, javier is their honorary family member (basically they pseudo-adopted him)

og!lloyd gets therapy. they go to family therapy sessions too, javier is also there somehow

kim suho someohow saved javier from idk, something, it was a terrible rescue btw, it was a meet horrendous for suho

it was also a meet horrendous for javier, but then again it wasn't that bad, he's... acquainted w/ og!lloyd

javier, per his noble personality, swore an oath to pay suho back anyways, somehow

og!lloyd says he's obsessed, javier denies this

kim suho stumbles into his cosplay acc bcs javier cosplayed his fav character

javier only did that cosplay bcs his fans keep requesting it

suho connected that the dude he rescued is probably this cosplayer, he saves that fun fact in his brain

the fontera family doesn't know who the guy who saved javier is

then the frontera fam needed to repair/renovate something so they hired a company to do it

bada beem bada boom that construction team has kim suho

chaos ensues

i would say that the frontera family still has a huge debt, that would be og!lloyd's turning point to atleast not be a douchebag

they clear it off because of og!lloyd, but what everyone didn't know is that he gotten help from someone

it was suho, he was in a weird helpful mood again and decided to help this kid. he would regret it though

he regrets it so much

og!lloyd met kim suho first in this au. it was horrible. they instantly dislike eachother.

og!lloyd bcs he's a rich son w/ a horrible personality and kim suho which og!lloyd is projecting into (i'll think another reason later)

the second time they met is when they fed the same stray animals at the same time (ppodong, bangul, hamang, kkoming, bibeong)

they hate eachother

anyways kim suho's construction team is working for the frontera family

this inevitably would lead javier meeting suho again

javier was in cosplay

suho just stared

then og!lloyd barged in and saw suho and immediately start arguing

suho is so tired of rich people

anyways everyone now knows that the guy javier's been obsessed ("i'm NOT") w/ is a construction worker

og!lloyd thinks it's pathethic, julian bless his soul doesn't publicly agree with his brother (in private is a different story)

arcos and marbella is supportive albeit confused

ppl still don't know how og!lloyd and suho met, they just think they have a weird thing going on

javier asks og!lloyd abt it

og!lloyd: why would you like to know loverboy

javier doesn't try anymore

kim suho reads a webnovel when he was on break

javier sees and asks him about it (it's so obvious)

kim suho: didn't you cosplay the mc

javier and suho just stare at eachother

everyone's cringing, they're losers, why are they like this

javier talks abt his silly little sports and silly little cosplay and kim suho talks abt his silly little designs and silly little webnovel

they eventually get eachothers phone numbers, well without og!lloyd making fun of them

og!lloyd: oi suho- ("respect your elders kid") i don't care, anyways get your shit together

og!lloyd unwillingly also accidentally wingmans them, i decided, also w/ the help of julian too

kim suho is like uhh 27 here, lloyd is 25 and javier is 23

suho: what if im not into young men

og!lloyd: 🤨

anyways everyone have so much loser energy in this au

i admit there's really not a lot of cosplaying action, but, have you thought that i do not care. anyways, goodbye

[lupellan]

I SAW SOME FUNNY SHIRTS

[sa2mping]

posting old n deleted arts as an apology for my inactivity hehe

[sunflowercider]

does arcos and marbella stop og lloyd from drinking but og lloyd just keeps on doing it or they just let him be or they became scared of him? wait has og lloyd also been violent towards his parents and javier ? i remember he is with julian and the servants and everyone else

Literally the first thing we ever hear from Marbella is her asking if Lloyd went out drinking, and then with "heartache and worry" in her eyes saying "You should enjoy it in moderation. It is not good for your health." She walks away sighing. (In my eyes, its implied this conversation has happened before.) Like that's halfway through chapter 1.

In chapter 7, Lloyd asks Arcos for the soldiers to help him make ondols. Arcos is impressed by the business plan, but not his intentions. He brings up something that happened two years ago.

So they tried to believe in og!lloyd, but it seems it never stuck. He was never violent to his parents, but yeah, he wasn't kind to Javier or Julian. You must remember Javier and Julian are the same age, and Lloyd is 5 years older than both of them. So when the story of the wooden sword being broken in half happens...

That's a little 6 year old Javier crying because an 11 year old Lloyd broke it in half. There's no stories about being violent to Javier's person (I imagine Javier quickly becoming good at fighting would have scared a man like og!Lloyd off), but it's clear that Lloyd didn't change much if this is still the incident that Javier thinks exemplified Lloyd until Suho came around.

As for Julian, yes, Lloyd was violent to him. In fact, Julian's last time he ever saw og!lloyd was when he went to say goodbye before heading to the capital, and Lloyd simply throws a bottle at him, shattering it and leaving a tiny scar on his face.

Sorry nonnie, you will not find an og!lloyd defender here. I feel a sort of pity in him, as I think there was potential in him to shape up and face reality if he felt like it. But he never did. And the damage he does to family and citizens takes actual engineering miracles and life-threatening emergencies to clear up.

[lloydfrontera]

EXCUSE ME SIR WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT

this is literally not true what the hell is lee hyumnin doing

this whole conversation was completely out of character for both of them. in the novel og lloyd is way more crass and rude the entire time, he doesn't even ask about julian himself and he never expresses any regret or apologizes for anything he did out loud.

and he absolutely hates javier. i cannot emphasize this enough, it is never even hinted at that og lloyd ever cared the slightest about javier. nevermind that he wanted to be his friend or felt sorry about breaking his sword and harassing him as kids.

"Fine. Let's hurry. I never liked that jerk anyway. I don't want to bump into him"

"You don't like him?"

"No." Ghost Frontera nodded at Lloyd's question. And in the most obvious tone, Ghost Frontera retorted, "It's not fair for a human to look like that. I hate him. I feel like life is cheating me whenever I see him, and it pisses me off. I've been in a bad mood ever since my father put that bastard on my side to guard me."

does this sound like a man who just "wanted to become friends with him"??

this is history revisionism and i won't stand for it!!/j

and like. does this really look like a kid who just wants to be friends

like. does it.

again javier is six years old here. he saw his parents die in front of him a year ago and then spent an entire winter on the streets fending for himself and is just now finally settling into a new place that was supposed to be safe for him

he looked like this

look at him. he's a baby.

they're not even the same age!! og lloyd is five years older!! there was never a point in their relationship where og lloyd wasn't just a bigger and older kid harassing a child five years his junior!!

and he didn't feel sorry about it. at least not enough to make amends or even apologize.

and the problem with making og lloyd more sympathetic is that it undercuts just how much he'd fucked up. it makes it look like it was just a misunderstanding and that everyone should've just tried a little bit harder to understand him when no!!! they did try they did love him he just didn't care about it!!

and it's especially egregious when the webcomic seems hellbent in making lloyd look like a total dickhead at every moment possible!

making him kick og lloyd into the reincarnation gate??? telling him he sounded pathetic and didn't want to hear him for another second????why are you making your protagonist so fucking unlikable??? what's the fucking purpose of that???? how come the character that acts like a total asshole in the novel gets to be sympathetic in the adaptation but not your fucking main protagonist??????

that's the main issue actually! making og lloyd more sympathetic always seems to be at the cost of making everyone else look worse which fucking sucks!! because he's not meant to be like that!!! that's not the point of his character!!!

not to mention that they completely rewrote og lloyd's wish to not be born as a human in his next life??? like??? at this point you're just. making shit up. not even trying to follow the original source.

this episode was just. bad. nothing i can really rescue about it it's straight up just a bad adaptation

i hate it here lmao

[scribesynnox]

Finished TGED ch 114 and WHAT?!! WHAT?!!! OG LLYOD?!!!!!!!

[pospoets]

Another idea but if Og Javier meets Tged Lloyd he would get attached quickly solely because he missed his old life in the barony he wished to come back to (which is county now in tged), all i'm saying is, a love corner with Og Javier and Tged Javier. + If they meet it'll be like them fighting over (Kim Suho) Tged Lloyd

BUT THATS NOT ALL, LETS ADD ALICIA. Alicia and Lloyd is my second fav ship solely because these two are somehow a match, AND LETS ADD OG ALICIA so basically we have 4 people surrounding our dear babygirl Lloyd.