#tfatws rant

[waywardsou2]

Im so glad the the MCU is finally recognising Bucky as Bucky and not the winter soldier. He did not do all that work in TFATWS to just continue to be named as a killer.

Bucky and The Winter Soldier are not the same people. And the Winter Soldier was a victim as much as Bucky was.

I cannot wait to see him in action again and I truly hope they just let him have peace. He was with Sam. I need to know why he's jumping back into the government's shit

It's good to have you back Buck

[justyoursicanon]

Im VIBRATING right now bro

SAM WILSON AND JOAQUIN TORRES DUO???

BLUE CAPTAIN AMERICA SUIT FOR SAM???

THUNDERBOLTS TEAM UP???

I am being FEDDDD next year and Sam's movie is coming out on my birth month AND Valentines

I KNOW WHAT IM GONNA BE OBSESSING OVER ON FEBRUARY UNTIL MAYYY🗣🗣🗣🗣

They better spill why the fuck Bucky and Sam split after 3 years when tfatws happened bro or else i WILL strangle someone

[northlt03]

Heard someone say "The Falcon and the Winter Soldier made Captain America political" and how fucking dense do you have to be to utter something like that?? truly?? do you taste shit with how far your head up is in your ass??

Captain America has always been political you fool!!! He was a character created as a superhero fighting the fucking Nazis during WW2. Steve Rogers would hate your guts btw!! He was created with H!tler as a nemesis in mind!! He was born to a single not-well-to-do mother!! He was frail and had a bucket load of conditions that made life really difficult for him!!!

If you think Steve Rogers would have stood for the racism and real life commentary in TFATWS you have severely missed the point of Captain America by miles

Steve Rogers has always been against discrimination!!

[wenellyb]

I have nothing against that ship but could you please stop comparing Sambucky to St*cky???

They are 2 completely different ships with different circumstances, we are not going “ going throught the same thing”. And this is valid for other ships as well.

Stop trying to ruin our joy by saying, the showrunners will never run with this and that we would hurt in the end.

First of all, newsflash they already run with it.. We already got a Happy Ending so how about that?

St*cky is a nice ship but the showrunners clearly made some decisions to pair Steve up with other people.

In the First Avenger, Steve's love interest is Peggy

In Civil War, Steve's love interest in Sharon

In Endgame, Steve's love interest is Peggy again

You cannot compare that with Sam & Bucky’s relationship

In Endgame, Sam’s love interest is Bucky

In the Falcon and the Winter Soldier,

Episode 2, Sam's love interest is Bucky

Episode 3, Sam's love interest is Bucky

Episode 4, Sam's love interest is Bucky

Episode 5, Sam's love interest is Bucky

Episode 6, Sam's love interest is Bucky

When Steve kissed Sharon, Bucky smiled. When Sharon complimented Sam on his suit, Bucky got mad and told her they had to leave.

Stop comparing Stucky shippers and Sambucky shippers, we don't have the same motives, we don't have the same content. Some of us ship both Sambucky and Stucky but they are not the same!!!

When your OTP gets a scene of them staring at a sunset and then walking away together, then we can start talking. 

Do I know what going to happen in Cap 4? No. Will it keep me from enjoying TFATWS? Also no.

[captainpikeachu]

So, Screen Rant recently released an article on the 6 rules of being Captain America in the MCU, mostly it's just about how Steve and Sam fit those rules and John doesn't.

But this article is terribly written and incredibly inaccurate to even just basic factual things, and I'm going to go through and address each of the point it makes against John and tell you why it is wrong and hypocritical.

First, the article claims that Cap must be a strong and sure leader. It claims that it's always hard to imagine John ever having this leadership role and that's why his downfall is spectacular. Yet it completely ignores that John has been in leadership roles AND been successful. He's a Captain, he's been serving and leading his men into war and successfully completed missions for decades. We are not talking about some green young soldier with little experience as Comics John may have been. MCU John has been in the military for nearly 20 years. He has a clear and effective record. This claim also ignores that John's leadership ultimately failed in the MCU because no one wanted to listen to him, they were all still angry about Steve being gone and John getting the shield (that he didn't ask for). They were angry and had no intentions of wanting to listen since day one. He wasn't failing because he didn't know how to lead, he was failing because they had refused to let him lead.

Second, the article claims that Cap must be a skilled and brave fighter. It describes in a previous paragraph about Steve and Sam's fighting skills but when it gets to John, it immediately backtracks to dismiss the point. Even in the one "rule" that John can clearly fit under, this article refuses to do so and instead moves the goal post to talk about John's morality and doing questionable things. Implying that if he thought his time in war were the worst days of his life, then it must not make him a good Cap. But let me just ask here, who the hell thinks war is a good time? Steve and Sam's worst days were also when they were serving in the war, they have all done questionable things, do this now mean they aren't good Caps either? Steve even admitted to Fury that they've done their share of questionable things during the war. Sam served in the same wars in the Middle East that John served in. Pretending that John is somehow the only person to act like their worst days are during war time is to display an ignorance to the realities of war and military service. NOBODY thinks war is a walk in the park, wars have always been the worst days of a soldier's life. There is a reason people end up with massive amounts of PTSD!

Third, this article claims that Cap must make fast and tactical decisions. It claims that John's "quick thinking" led to him killing a Flag Smasher, so this is why he isn't good at quick thinking. But I just want to ask here, since when is a heat of the moment trauma response now considered "quick thinking"? If someone kills your loved one right in front of you and you scream and lash out, are you now bad at quick thinking and tactical decisions? So are we now saying trauma responses are bad tactical decision making? Was T'Challa bad at tactical decisions when he decided to seek revenge on Bucky in Civil War for the death of his father? Was Thor bad at tactical thinking when he chopped off Thanos' head? Was Clint bad at tactical thinking when he went on a five year murder spree? Was Steve bad at tactical thinking when his own rage led him to beat down on Tony after Tony blasted and incapacitated Bucky in Siberia? So not only does this article not seem to grasp that a trauma response is not a judgment on anyone else's tactical acumen, it also ignores the number of times that John IS capable of quick thinking. When Karli kicked Lemar off the truck, it was John's quick thinking and throwing out the shield that saved Lemar. In fact, in that same fight, it was John's quick thinking that saved Sam from getting his head bashed in by one of the Flag Smashers.

Fourth, this article claims that Cap must have a strong moral code. It uses Steve fighting against Loki and Thanos and protecting Bucky while Sam tries to talk down Karli as examples of their strong moral code. It claims that John doesn't have this "gift" because John would rather see Karli dead and killed an "innocent" Flag Smasher. If the act of wanting to fight villains to save people and not wanting to kill someone is enough to fit this rule, then John should too. Why does this article ignore that John taking on the mantle of Cap and willing to risk his life to protect others satisfies this rule demonstrated by its own examples? What about John saving Sam and Bucky and Lemar in that truck fight? What about John risking his life doing hostage rescue? What about John grabbing that truck full of hostages to prevent them from dying? And let's not forget, John NEVER had any intentions of killing any one of the Flag Smashers, he was always trying to simply arrest them. Death was something that only happened after they tried to kill him first and killed Lemar instead. He didn't walk into Episode 1 just going all excited about murdering folks.

Fifth, this article claims that Cap must be willing to pay the ultimate price. It claims that it's hard to imagine John ever willingly sacrificing himself for others. This is perhaps the most egregious claim and the most obvious demonstration of a complete misunderstanding of John Walker as it can get. He's risked his life for Sam, for Bucky, for Lemar, for his own fellow soldiers during his years of active duty service, for the hostages in that truck and any other hostages he's saved previously. He's even jumped on grenades FOUR times. To claim that a THREE TIME Medal of Honor recipient can't sacrifice himself for other is to claim that Simone Byles can't do a flip or Michael Phelps can't swim. Why don't we ask families of dead Medal of Honor recipients who got their medals posthumously, just how willing the recipients are to sacrifice their lives for others? Maybe not everyone knows this, but the military doesn't even like to hand out MOHs, you have to do the most high level and extraordinary kind of sacrifice to even be considered for ONE medal, and some people who have done that don't even get their medals until decades later. For John to have received THREE before he's even hit 40 years old speaks to a level of willingness for self sacrifice that readily matches any MCU hero. And even if we don't count the medals, he's demonstrated in the show itself that he is willing to sacrifice. He threw his only weapon, the shield, to save Lemar, even though it left him unarmed to face all those Flag Smashers. He left himself open to attack and death when he refused to let go of the truck filled with hostages even as the Flag Smashers pounced on him from all sides.

Lastly, this article claims that Cap must be "a good man". It states that the serum has corrupted many greedy and egotistical people over the years and that John taking the serum only made him even worse. Only worse? Are we just going to ignore that despite having taken the serum and supposedly being "corrupted" and have all this evil in him amplified, John still CHOSE to let go of revenge and do the right thing and save people? He didn't need Sam or Bucky to tell him, HE made that choice ON HIS OWN. If he is so corrupted and bad, then why did he willingly make a conscious decision to do good? How much goodness does John have to ALREADY have to overcome all the bad in him and still make the right decision? And when will we realize that the serum isn't a "good becomes great" or "bad becomes worse" but rather "good becomes great" AND "bad becomes worse". Everyone has light and dark, the serum amplifies all, and if John's bad qualities are amplified, then so are his good ones, and those good ones are the reason he CHOSE to make the right choice. And that choice matters. In Ms. Marvel, we have Kamala learn that very important lesson, "good is not a thing you are, it is a thing you do".

The irony of this whole article is that there are actually reasons why John is not suited to being Captain America, but none of those reasons are actually even properly addressed in this article.

It doesn't talk about John's insecurity and how guilt and untreated PTSD plays into that emotional volatility and fear that drives him to make wrong decisions.

It doesn't talk about his lack of a solid self-identity, and how that leads to him being easily manipulated and exploited by others (particularly those in power that he feels loyalty and duty towards) because he has tied his self worth to other people's opinions. And how a Captain America needs to know who they are and be firm in their own self, which is what John does not yet have.

Instead, this article lists a bunch of "rules" and inaccurately applies them to John in some half ass attempt to show how he's not a "real" Captain America. What is even the point of writing an article like this if you're just gonna demonstrate that you were clearly watching the Falcon and the Winter Soldier with your eyes, ears, and brain closed?

People continue to fundamentally misunderstand John Walker, and I can only hope that the Thunderbolts movie will fix this problem.

I don't claim John to be perfect, I don't even claim that he makes a good Cap, but the way some of yall still to this day refuse to recognize any kind of good in John is baffling. He isn't Steve's "total opposite", he IS Steve but 200% on crack. Wyatt Russell himself has even stated that John and Steve share the same desire to help and defend innocent people, but where they differ is the method to achieve that result. JOHN GENUINELY CARES. Even if sometimes he makes bad decisions in that care.

[mademoisellefantasy]

" There has never been another Steve Rogers,has there? " | Captain Ameri...

Actually, this is soooo trueee!!!!!

As much as I like Sam Wilson as a character, it just wasn't the right decision for Marvel to replace Captain America. Maybe it makes sense in the comics where, because the storylines literally continue over decades, passing on the mantle of certain characters to others is narratively helpful and refreshing.

But in the MCU, it feels totally wrong. The whole point of Captain America being Steve and vice versa is that NO ONE ELSE had the moral integrity and strength of Steve Rogers. That's the reason he was chosen and no one else, no matter how great of a character they might be on their own right, could ever feel in his role.

Kinda how no one else is as brilliant, eccentric, and self-sacrificial as Tony Stark, thus no one but him can be Iron Man. I think that Steve and Tony were kinda supposed to be mirrors of each other, the one the heart and the other the brain of the Avengers. And so both should be irreplaceable.

I also think that it would have been much more honorable for Sam to accept that his old friend left a legacy behind that shouldn't be changed or affected by anyone (including himself), and go make his own arc focus on the future of America, symbolized by him AS THE FALCON.

In previous movies, because Steve (and Bucky, tbh) was always the main focus, we never got to see the full potential, backstory, motivations, etc. of the Falcon, just vague mentions. He was just a loyal friend and sidekick to Steve.

Imagine if the Falcon FINALLY had an arc that didn't center Steve Rogers, imagine if he was allowed to keep his core hero identity but also evolve in it. It would have been SO MUCH BETTER.

Additionally, I think that most of that passing on the mantle stuff, is just pandering to minorities, which in of itself isn't bad AT ALL, but they were SO LAZY about it in TFATWS.... Seriously, the script was mostly trash (apart from the more intimate Bucky and Sam interactions and Zemo's storyline), and it didn't allow Sam, the AFRICAN AMERICAN MAN THE WHOLE SERIES IS ABOUT!!!! to actually evolve in his own right and be a truly good protagonist.

Anyways, after TFATWS it became apparent to me that Marvel is no longer interested in good storytelling, character development, and representation. So, at least for me, Captain America in the MCU will forever only be Steve Rogers.

[aichmoph0bia]

when im in a being insufferable competition but my oponents are people who think that the winter soldier is a sex god

when im in a mischaracterisation competiton but my oponents are tumblr bucky barnes fanfiction writers

when im in a lacking media literacy competition but my oponents are people who refuse to acknowledge the implied sa bucky went through

when im in a having no empathy whatsoever competiton but my oponents are bucky barnes' fans

[imomnba-x07]

Okkkayyyyyyyy I feel like someone has to make a PSA announcement or something, I’m not sure if someone as already

But here are some friendly reminders on what NOT to do if you are new to the fandom:

- do not use the N word :) I feel like this should be obvious but sadly it seems people need a reminder. If your black and want to put it in your fic for whatever reason, I can’t police you on that. But holy fuck for the love of GOD do not use the N word if you don’t know what it means and ESPECIALLY if your not black

- Tag your fucking fics. Warnings and tags are made for a reason as to not accidentally trigger someone or to prevent someone from reading something they don’t want to. ESPECIALLY if you don’t specify that the fic is porn. It’s common courtesy.

- the Sambucky fandom is made up of mostly 30 somethings from what I can tell, so if you are young and attempting to write fics PLEASE look at work from other writers to gage what is appropriate to say and what isn’t or ask fucking questions

- Sam Wilson means a lot to everyone here and if you write him in a degrading, racist, or stereotypical way, you WILL have a hell storm on your hands. There will be no warning.

Can’t believe I actually have to say this shit but holy fuck some of y’all are so young that you just got social media literally YESTERDAY, and the first thing you decide to do is write a public fic????? OH MY GOD?????

[sootiesweep]

I really liked this little moment (apart from the wider story context of course) - it's just so cool, visually, to see him attach the arm.

But what I also love about it is that we get to see Bucky without it for a few seconds. It's something I really want to see more of in his projects - just Bucky going without his arm for a while, whilst milling about his apartment or something. Reading a paper, making a coffee, getting out of bed in the morning. Maybe it's physically more comfortable for him, or maybe it's a little relief from the mental burden of the history of his prosthetic(s). It doesn't need to be much - just one simple scene, to remind us that he did, in fact, use to exist without a super-powered cybernetic killer-arm attached to him.

I think seeing him momentarily detached from the arm would also represent a detachment from Bucky's constant fighting. It would be a nice opportunity for some foreshadowing - imagine, at the beginning of the project (Thunderbolts, for example), Bucky is first introduced in his apartment, without his arm. He then equips it ("suiting up"). Fast-forward to the end, Bucky resigns from his life of fighting to live in peace.

Of course, it's very important to remember that he is actually disabled and the arm is not just for combat - and I'm sure the Wakandan version was constructed with this in mind, with Shuri likely leading the team. So I'm absolutely not suggesting that the arm should be removed from him completely lol, as it is a functioning prosthetic. I just think it'd be really nice to see him without it for a little bit longer, under much less angsty circumstances. We did see a little of this before - with Bucky still helping out in Wakanda with just his right arm - so it's not like it's impossible.

I also have no idea what Bucky's arm situation is going to be like in Thunderbolts (or if he appears in Cap), given that in the GOTG Holiday Special from 2022, his Wakandan arm appears in a box as a Christmas present for Rocket.

Um... okay, Nebula. A considerate present for our resident raccoon, but hopefully she didn't actually "tear it off his body" as James Gunn stated on Twitter/X. I do appreciate the humour of the moment, but I'd honestly rather they'd stop joking around with Bucky's arm/using it as a punchline (pun unintended lol), given it's a legitimate prosthetic borne out of a whole lotta trauma.

Anyway. Here's to a resolution about that, and to seeing Buck without it for a bit - by his own accord, this time.

SEBASTIAN STAN as BUCKY BARNES

The Falcon and The Winter Soldier | Episode 4 - The Whole World is Watching

[waywardsou2]

I think Loki and Bucky would actually be good friends

HEAR ME OUT

Both Bucky and Loki believe they are monsters. Through their own doing or others they truly believe themselves to be irredeemable creatures.

Bucky always tried to do good, to do the right thing but his freedom, his choice to be good was taken from him. And for a really long time he was twisted into a weapon. A well oiled machine without consiouness.

Loki was lied to his entire life. Odin stole him from his family, kept him hidden and kept him in this shadow of his adopted brother because he was no real heir to the throne

Both of them have done things they regret. Loki hurt Thor, knowing that if he had given them a chance to start over things could have been better.

Bucky wanted Steve and he wanted freedom. But he hurt people and in the end Steve left him. Reminding him that after all he had done he still wasn't good enough

Both of them don't think themselves worthy of love and both of them were given boyfriends who show them that loving them is easy as breathing

So yeah, Bucky and Loki would get along great.

[oimoitalaina]

What If? Season 3 episode 1 rant

After waiting all this time to see Sam, one of the central characters to the MCU, get any screen time in What If? I can’t help but be disappointed by what we got. The version of Sam we see in this episode is just so flat compared to who he is in any other MCU project. Despite supposedly being the main character of this episode, I feel like by the end the audience has gained no further insight into who he is as a person.

Sam’s whole story in this episode is about his supposed friendship with Bruce. He says that he’d be more helpful to Bruce as a friend than as a therapist. But he spends the whole episode continuing to act as a therapist, because they are in a one-sided relationship. Bruce gets to vent his feelings as much as he wants to Sam, but we never in the entire episode see Sam get an opportunity to express his own thoughts and feelings to Bruce in return. That’s why everyone in the episode needs to keep *saying* that the two are friends, because nothing about the story is actually depicting it as an equal relationship. 

I think the best examples I can give are the two instances where the episode is trying to reference the friendships Sam has in the main timeline. We start with Sam and Bruce meeting on a jog in the same spot where Sam met Steve, and their initial conversation exists as a variant of that first conversation. But here we can already see the weakness of the comparison. In CA:TWS, Sam first makes an actual connection to Steve by correctly guessing that Steve is still uncomfortable sleeping in a regular bed. Sam is able to make this guess because he has lived through the same things as Steve, albeit in a different century. This conversation leads to Steve asking more about Sam, asking if he lost anyone during his time in the air force. Sam opens up about losing Riley, whose death serves as another point of connection between Sam and Steve.

Compare this to the What If? version between Sam and Bruce. Bruce gets to talk about how he’s using cardio to try and control the Hulk, how this problem makes him feel like a monster. Sam doesn’t have any opportunity to relate to this, there’s really nothing in Sam’s story that makes him feel like a monster, so there’s no actual point of connection between the two. In addition, Bruce doesn’t ask anything about Sam. This transitions to a scene where Sam is acting as his counselor, because that’s the relationship they have. In this one scene where the show is attempting to show them as friends it does just the opposite.

The next scene attempting to depict Sam and Bruce’s friendship is on the Wilson family boat, the Paul and Darlene. Best girl Sarah is even there! This is clearly meant to parallel Sam and Bucky’s reconciliation in episode 5 of TFATWS. Bucky is actively helping Sam because he cares about his friend who he had not been treating very well for the last few days.  They’re on the boat after a day of Bucky helping Sam fix it up. Not only that, but Bucky came to Sam’s home town in the first place to bring a suit that he requested from the Wakandans on Sam’s behalf. In the case of Sam and Bucky, this moment of the boat solidifies their friendship after Bucky gets his act together enough to support Sam.

In the version we see in this episode of What If?, none of that context exists. We don’t see Bruce being of service to Sam in any way. They didn’t have a falling out that Bruce was just working to repair. Now obviously it's fine that the narrative isn’t exactly the same, but the point that I’m trying to make is that this scene also doesn’t depict Sam as his own person with his own emotional needs that need support.

Sam’s whole motivation for the events of this episode are about Bruce. How he feels as if he failed his friend. This isn’t a terrible motivation but it is severely lacking in comparison to what we’re used to seeing with Sam. What does Sam’s friendship with Bruce say about Sam? Other than he’s just a nice guy, I guess? Sam befriends Steve for a reason, because he recognises their similar trauma. Sam and Bucky have conflict in their friendship because of Sam’s uniquely difficult position accepting the role of Captain America as a Black man. Sam and Bruce have conflict because Sam is … nice and Bruce is … the Hulk. 

I guess overall what I’m trying to say is that Sam’s character is flattened so much in this episode, and I hate that this is what people think he’s about. Because Sam isn’t in the MCU just to be some white guy’s therapist, he’s his own person with his own darling personality that I was hoping to finally get to see in this episode. I guess I should just be grateful he wasn’t killed off this time at least.

[luna-rainbow]

"I don't ship T'Challa and Bucky".

Nor do I. You don't have to...

What do all close bonds have to result in ships anyway? There are other kinds of love than romantic/sexual and there are other kinds of bonds.

Why can't two characters have close emotional bonds without being romantically in love with each other? I say they can! I say we need more extremely close platonic/sibling- like relationships which do not involve who wants to sleep with whom.

Lol, sorry I am ranting. I love how you never pass up on a chance to shit on TFatWS though. It deserves it. Someone even theorized that the reason the scenes with the Wakandans are framed like that in the series is to insinuate Bucky betrayed them.

He would *never* have betrayed them. Bucky is not a betrayer. i'm not saying that to woobify him or because he's without flaw, but its just not in his nature to betray or backstab people. He's a protector by nature like you suggested. Not if he's able to exercize free choice and consent anyway. What he did as the Winter Soldier.. well can that even be counted as betrayal when it wasn't done of his free consent or choice?

Which all goes to show how little the writers of that series understood Bucky/just literally wanted to undermine and subvert everything about his established personality and nature. Why don't the writers just go ahead an kill him off already? Permanently this time. They clearly couldn't care less about his character at this point so they might as well. Just at least give him a heroic death....

Yeah, honestly Bucky breaking Zemo out isn’t my gripe, it’s that he’s not given a justification that matches his character. Say if the super soldiers were a threat to Wakanda, or even a direct threat to Sam (instead of them just doing their own thing and it’s really Sam and Bucky trying to stop their quest to provide vaccines for the refugees), and Zemo was once working closely with Nagel and had a direct line in, I would think that might be sufficient justification for Bucky to break Zemo out. As it stands it’s like three degrees of separation and it made no sense for Bucky to go that far, for something that had minimal returns.

I heard that Cap 4 will contain a scene where Isaiah becomes “possessed” in the manner of a brainwashed Winter Soldier and fights against Sam. I would be interested to see whether they treat that as Isaiah’s fault and something he needs to make amends for, or as something beyond his control and the fault of the person who controlled him — as it should be. Although, if they take the correct stance, given the writer is Spellman, I would question that divergent treatment of two similar characters. 

There is a subsection of series fans who believe any direct acknowledgment of Bucky’s extensive trauma or purporting he is a man with strong moral goodness is woobification. Pointing out that he is a good man who would not fucking do that is not what woobification is about.

I think there’s also a subsection of fans who prefer to characterise Bucky as morally ambiguous. It’s not the characterisation I see from movie canon, and I think it’s more in keeping with the comics Bucky who’s a very different character.

[steelbluehome]

Warning!

Extremely negative take on The Thunderbolts* footage below.

Dead Dove. Do not eat!

Hi sweeties! Just in case you thought you would just peek down here and maybe bring some optimism to the gremlins in cellar, thank you, sweet summer child, but you really should go back up to the rest of the internet where you have lots of beautiful people to play with. Thanks anyway! Bye!

Okay.

First things first, this had to happen on Sebastian's fucking birthday?!?!?!?

I have seen the Thunderbolts* footage. 5 times. Pausing at specific moments.

And, Bucky is not the in the scene where they "all" get trapped in the room, nor in the scene where they are "all" in a vehicle and Red Guardian is driving.

I don't blame the people who described the footage previously. They cannot be expected to look for Bucky like a dying person searches for a drop of water in the vast desert. That is my job.

Nevertheless, this is our first glimpse of Thunderbolts (sick of the fucking asterisk) and there is barely any Bucky in it. So what the fuck am I even waiting for?

I'm sorry if I inferred incorrectly that Thunderbolts would be Bucky's movie, since he is the character that has been in the MCU the longest and most consistently of all the characters in the movie, but what the fuck was I supposed to think?

I'm sorry if I incorrectly assumed from reports that Bucky would be the "leader" of the Thunderbolts, that this would be his time to shine.

And ex-fucking-cuse me if I extrapolated incorrectly that the reason Marvel split up the amazing team of Sam Wilson and Bucky Barnes was to give them each their own movie, therefore since Sam is absolutely the lead character in Cap4, Bucky would be the lead character in Thunderbolts!

But fuck me, Marvel, what the fuck are you doing?

Yes, looking back, I see that most MCU movies have the superhero name of the lead in the title. Again, I thought they did not do that because Bucky is no longer the Winter Soldier, as emphasized in TFATWS, and has no other code name, and that Bucky Barnes and the Thunderbolts would sounds like a bad name for a band. I thought it would at least be like the Avengers where he would have an equal part.

As far as Sebastian Stan, I think this is fucking disrespectful! He had to clear his schedule for this movie anyway, they could at least give him something to do!

Now, yes, maybe there is more of Bucky in the movie. Maybe these scenes are mostly from the beginning, and Bucky comes into it more in the middle and the end. Well he'd fucking better!

I will watch the next teasers and trailers, and if I see more of Bucky, I will be thrilled and very pleased.

But what is obvious to me is that they have actually made a movie about Yelena Belova, and for some reason stuck Bucky in there as a supporting character. (Or less?)

If I turn out to be wrong I will happily stand corrected.

But whenever this footage is officially released I intend to flood the internet with #Where'sBucky? And I hope anyone who feels the same, will do the same.

Thanks for listening to me rant. If you have a rant that agrees with mine, please add it. If you have read this far and disagree with me as far as how large a part Bucky will have in the movie, please put that in the tags.

Thunderbolts footage more centered

Bit bigger, maybe?

[therossgarden]

In an interview, Sebastian Stan said that the moment Bucky and Steve saw each other in IW was not the first time they met since Bucky woke up, because otherwise the hug would have been much longer. X

The reason Bucky and Steve’s relationship did a 180 on screen is because after CW aired, the GiveCaptainAmericaABoyfriend hashtag became huge. Marvel realized that they had created much more chemistry between two friends than between Steve and any of his female leads (except Nat maybe, but that went south too).

At that point, Marvel had two solutions: make Stucky happen or destroy it. They of course went for the second, fearing the anger of the fans. But instead, with these crap interactions in IW and EG, they had the exact opposite effect because the majority of the fandom went mad because of this.

Now, I must say, I am not delusional enough to think that they would’ve made Stucky canon. But I believe that the statements “Stucky was in the narrative” and “MCU would’ve never made Stucky canon” can coexist. Because Stucky objectively was in the narrative and we have proof. Point is, it was so evident in the narrative that Marvel had to take a few steps back on the previously shown material. Ever since CW we didn’t have one meaningful scene between the “best friends since childhood/end of the line” bros. Not even in what if, but I blame on the necessities given from the presence of a badly written character (you know who I’m talking about).

Point is, Marvel keeps fucking Steve and Bucky, individually and in pair, up. Bucky in TFATWS, Steve in CW and EG, and their whole relationship.

So, to circle back to the argument of meeting in Wakanda, I can safely theorize that Steve actually went to visit Bucky multiple times. With Seb’s interview, our imagination and our spite for Marvel, we can live with the idea that they spent a lot of time in contact and together.

Unfortunately for them, marvel steps on its own feet every time Stucky is involved, and still does. What all fans must do now is rejoice, as the universe is on our side, and live in our little bubble. With Disney+’s involvement with Israel, and the current projects, and ignore most of the crap done by Marvel except for maybe Thunderbolts, Cap4 (if they get rid of the problematic shit they inserted in) and maybe the multiverse storyline.

If you really think about it. Bucky went missing at the end of winter soldier, and then 2(?) Years later, they found him during civil war. Then he immediately goes into cryofreeze after that. Sam and Steve go on the run for 2 years, and then come back to Wakanda for infinite war, and Steve sees bucky again. But was that the first time he saw Bucky again? And then Bucky gets snapped and is gone for 5 years, and then he comes back, and almost immediately, Steve goes back in time.

So, if Steve did visit Bucky in Wakanda, assuming that Bucky was under for even just 6 months, that's really only 1 and a half years that Steve could visit him. And in that amount of time Steve just? Got over the fact that Bucky was back. After finding Bucky and going into shock over the realization and letting Bucky kill him, because Steve didn't know he was gonna live, he fully expected to die, and then he just. Maybe visited him? And then lost him again and was depressed over it and then finally got Bucky back, but there's no big scene for their reunion. I'd even say that his reunion with Sam was more important, and I love Sam, but focusing on Bucky right now.

Best friends since childhood, Bucky Barnes and Steve Rogers were inseparable on both school yard and battle field, Bucky was the only commando to give his life in service. And then per Steve's timeline, not even 10 years later, maybe 3 years for Bucky, he just. Leaves Bucky.

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you can tell MCU (and the fanbase) is more about the actors and the characters bc Bucky's character arc was setup for something big after CATWS/Cap2 but the fans (who care more abt the actors) dgaf that Bucky's character was immediately sidelined after that movie bc Bucky's character arc would have to be a near-explicit allegory for the US government's shady deals with Nazis in the Cold War era and the harm it caused, but the MCU cant criticize the US military (bc of DoD contracts) so Bucky gets reduced to glorified cameos and villainized for killing Stark's dipshit MIC weapons profiteering parents.

Mostly cameos or (literally) frozen/fridged off screen to prevent him from ever doing anything... until TFATWS! But again, fans (who cares abt the actors not the characters) dgaf that Bucky was reduced to self flagellating sidekick to the good ol' Air Force boy (agent of the State) Sam & spent the whole series (when the actors weren't literally playing interviews to copy the "Stackie" interview humor) having his character be faced with State Violence that is framed as his "penance" for... being tortured by the Nazis the US military hired??? To further highlight why the "good" US soldier is better than him & the voice if reason (for aligning with the US State?)

Bucky's character got trashed bc any actual exploration & followup on what CATWS would paint the USA in too bad a light, & the politics of TFATWS are the worst example of it (it & the neoliberal representation politics that try to subsumed ethnic minorities as Agents of the white supremacist State) but the fans don't care bc they got their "SamBucky"/StanMackie show that (when it's not being blatant in it's military propaganda) is just the actors playing themselves in interviews, which is (lbr) what fans are actually fans of, making RPF yaoi with two somewhat conservative USAmerican actors and begging marvel to (continue) replacing the characters with just more of that (with some more DoD-mandated US-Zio military propaganda themes)

hey man did you really see me post on twitter about how i’m bummed we’re not getting sambucky in the same shitty marvel movie because they separated them into separate shitty movies for no reason and come crawling into my tumblr askbox (on a blog where incidentally i haven’t talked about sambucky since tfatws came out and was shitty and bad) to send me a rant about how marvel sucks. i know marvel sucks. i haven’t watched a marvel movie in theaters since gotg3 and before that literally since endgame. you don’t have to explain it to me.

also are you accusing me of doing rpf(?) for liking sambucky and thinking stackie have good screen chemistry??? which is NOT rpf to say. trust me, anon, you’ll know when i’m doing rpf.

[abarbaricyalp]

hii for the ask game: bucky + 3, 5, 6 & 9? and for sam + 4, 6, 7 & 12? (I hope it’s okay I asked so many…)

Hi!!! From this ask meme

Bucky:

3. Least favorite canon thing about this character?

Hmmmm, starting off with a heavy hitter. He's not developed enough in canon to have hobbies or habits I don't like. Obviously I think his reaction to Sam in the beginning of TFATWS was idiotic. He's the one who hadn't been talking to Sam, not the other way around. If he had big feelings about things Sam did with his time, he should've reached out sooner and not been a brat about it afterwards. Oh! I guess there is this implied willingness on his end to do whatever he's told to do? Like, he instantly joins the fight in Infinity War, he follows Raynor's rehab/rectify rules, he played the Winter Soldier in Madripoor, he'll be joining the Thunderbolts, etc. I mean, I know there's this other pressure from behind (or in front of) him to do these things, but we've never really seen him advocate for himself, especially in regards to joining another fight. I wish we saw more of him digging his heels in to protect himself? But I do also like self-sacrificial characters too

5. What's the first song that comes to mind when you think about them?

My Bucky Barnes playlist is 3 and a half hours long, lol. But right off the bat, Zombie by the Cranberries, No Light, No Light, by Florence and the Machine, and Hell Broke Luce by Tom Waits are usually my top three. (Woke Up a Rebel by Rueben and the Dark for a happier (?) one)

6. What's something you have in common with this character?

Ha, absolutely nothing. He is much cooler and more tragic than me. We both love Sam Wilson and Steve Rogers.

9. Could you be roommates with this character?

I feel like trouble follows him home, so maybe not. Also, looking at his room in TFATWS, he would probably hate how much clutter I live with. But I would love to live with Alpine

Ooooh. This is probably recency bias but I'd love to see Sam (and Riley) in a first responders show like 911abc. I love when combat medics are added to a medical cast in civilian life and I'd love to see Sam in that kind of storyline.

SAM

4. If you could put this character in any other media, be it a book, a movie, anything, what would you put them in?

5. What's the first song that comes to mind when you think about them?

Wherever You Will Go, by the Calling, Mighty Wings by Cheap Trick, and Halo by Beyonce

6. What's something you have in common with this character?

Again, he's so much cooler and kinder than me. I think we both have a tendency to bottle up our feelings rather than talk about them.

7. What's something the fandom does when it comes to this character that you like?

The SamBucky fandom: lots, but particularly that the fandom is (generally) so protective of him and treating his character fairly in a story. He's always as cool as he is in canon and he gets the treatment the wider Marvel fandom never affords him. I think Sam is one of the most interesting characters in MCU and he's got such a rich potential for fic writing and we really explore all of that. I love fics where Bucky is so damn impressed by Sam (especially if he's doing a bad job of hiding it because they're still in their frenemies stage) and he doesn't know what to do with all of it. (Okay, I removed an entire rant about the marvel fandom as a whole here, but just know I appreciate the SamBucky fandom so much when it comes to Sam)

12. What's a headcanon you have for this character?

He can play piano. He wanted to be part of the choir at his daddy's church, but he couldn't hold a note to save his soul, so he learned to play piano instead. He still plays when he wants to think, and when he drums his fingers on a table or his leg, he's miming melodies