#tcos spoilers

[goosefries]

IM BACK IN THE FUCKING BUILDING AGAIN

[kastimere]

AVA/AVM WHITEBOARD DOODLES WITH @thatonefishfriend WOOHOOOO

(Put the @'s next to each drawing to differentiate who drew what KWHDNQODHW)

[leafeyrune]

Like an Angel of Death

[zishu-arts]

something about angels?

[poorlydrawnstickmen]

I just want you all to know that the 2011 new grounds crash was caused by homestuck/andrew hussy posting a flash to the site, and it's implied that the 2011 newgrounds crash we see in-series is that very same crash (since there wasn't a crash of a similar severity until FNF came out)

Mitsi was killed by homestucks

[blacknight7890]

The Power of Control

An essay on Victim

Spoilers for Animator vs. Animation VI - Ep 2

So, our dear boy Victim, of animator vs animation ONE fame, has officially returned.

We have been waiting half a year for this guy to return, and here he is. Now we finally get to see what he can really do in the only thing that matters in this series. How much ass can this stick kick?

Well, as it turns out, not a whole lot.

Victim is not a strong physical fighter. But, what he lacks in strength, he makes up in something else.

Control

The express purpose of this white box, is to ensure that he has full, and unambiguous, control. You could say that everything he has built is for the express purpose of control. He is the CEO of a gigantic, very well funded corporation, and is the boss of probably thousands of employees.

he has dedicated money and men towards researching and replicating animation tools to give him direct power over the world around him. He gave his top Merc the ability to Stop Time. His tech is all to extend his reach of control.

And this idea of control is shown no better than his signature weapon.

A lasso. An unusual choice at first but it makes perfect sense. Its entire point is to restrain, constrain, and control another.

Victim is not a powerful stick, its why he was initially never able to escape the flash program he was created in. How he got out, and how he survived is still unknown, but I'm sure future episodes will show us.

What we do know however, is that after all these years he has took to heart one thing. True power, is control. The more you have, the more powerful you are.

Which is why Alan nearly deleted him. Alan had the cursor, so he had control, which made him powerful.

Of course, that power has an equally potent weakness. When you lose your control, you lose your power.

The lasso he has wrapped around so many, breaks, and he loses control. Without control, he is vulnerable. Without control, he is powerless.

Its no wonder he seemed so scared when he learned what The Second Coming was truly capable of.

And now, Second has also learned what he can do.

So, what does he do? He tries to reestablish his precious control.

But unlike before, this control is flawed. He never knew what our dear orange could do, he never planned for it. His cage was likely never designed to hold someone as powerful as he is.

Victim may have locked him away, but its clear his grip on the situation has slipped. A lasso can only restrain what it can hold after all. When the rope snaps, when control is lost, he has nothing.

It makes sense why he would be after someone with more control than anyone.

[saavanah08]

"Angel of Death"

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[coughingsounds]

how we feeling, stick nation?

cant believe alan got me to draw these two again after 2 years of barely drawing

working on a revamp of my cg designs + others

[theplayer-io]

I just had an interesting revelation about agent smith/pivot/gui

Spoiler alert for animation vs animator 11, and such.

So when I was making my babydoll x perfect girl edit with tco, I noticed that agent gui (smith/pivot/agent, or whatever you'd like to call him) was looking real good at tco's eyes when they were up at the atmosphere

Gui was looking dead straight into tco's "eyes" during the decimation, and what baffles me now is that I realize how terribly tco's fate could be with someone with this much vengeance.

Tco already struggled being beat up by gui back at the forest clearing. He had to ask tsc for help, and even then, they got captured.

After all, gui saw mitsi die, and he knew who tco was before vic. I think we all realize how personal this whole ordeal really got since we learned that gui was a great family friend of vic's and mitsi's. He's not just doing it for the money, and he never really was after a certain point.

Goodness gracious, and the fact that he was sobbing when having to rewitness mitsi's death with the save file reader? He for sure hates tco with a burning passion and was not hesitant when helping vic with the whole box scene.

Gui is one of my fav characters in this whole series, mainly because he resembles cgp grey, but his lore is incredibly good and complex. So, now we know that the manhunt is incredibly personal and that beating tco up in the forest clearing must be really cathartic for him.

Imagine the anger and resentment he has when he saw tco again, perhaps feeling freed when he was finally the one causing the terror to tco when he was chasing him with the other mercenaries. Imagine the defeat he felt when he looked at tco's eyes when tco froze the vehicle he was on when he made that escape to Alan's pc.

Now with tco and tsc at gui and vic's mercy, I'm curious on what his anger will lead to in future episodes..

he's so awesome

[snailtowne]

watched ava vi e3 in utter shock this morning then rewatched it just now for analysis purposes and i just want to say -

this episode completely recontextualizes chosen's name.

there were so many of them. god. there were so many. hundreds of victims, maybe.

alan has done everything he can think of with them. he's starting to grow bored. he's getting better at controlling his creations now, few victims are able to wrest (momentary) control over their battle with their creator the way the first one did.

god, there were so many. and of course he's bored. and of course he's looking for a new challenge, something more interesting. it's just an ordinary victim at first, the same as any other. but what if it was something else, something more fun. killer. beast. the chosen one.

[normalaboutsticks]

It seems very intentional that we never see TDL from Victim's perspective. Victim does not know TDL exists. We know that both TCO and TDL were behind the newgrounds attack (and I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure that was the one where TCO was starting to not really enjoy destruction anymore*) so is this potentially all a huge misunderstanding? Could it be TDL who is actually responsible? I don't think it's a good theory but it's interesting how TDL has been deliberately obscured from Victim's knowledge.

There's no mention of TDL in any of these shots (Although now I am really curious about what lies Victim is talking about in the article of himself. I feel like there could be a lot to look at in this scene)

Also interesting how the Angel of Death sketch has a read outline around the whole of TCO, not just the head maybe bc TDL was also always there behind him?

* I went back to check and I was right. TCO looks like he's trying to talk down TDL here which is weird if he's just killed someone.

ESPECIALLY if you consider that this is one of the tank guys that were fighting back. If TCO is against harming them, why would he harm an innocent?

Just interesting.

[goosefries]

in fact, TCO has never killed a stick figure directly. ever.

this post is pretty much a compilation and explanation of stuff that i think pretty clearly points to this FACT. i am EXTREMELY confident this is canon

the biggest indicator of this is that mitsi dies to a thrown fireball.

alan gives us a very clear set of abilities for each of the sticks, and although cho and dark both use fire, it’s clear they use it very differently

dark has these explosive fireballs that he throws that chosen NEVER uses. they share some powers as shown in The Flashback (fire breath, general pyrokinesis, flight using fire)

the fireballs are a power EXCLUSIVE to dark.

there’s examples of chosen throwing fire (like in this one above) but it looks entirely different. it’s lighter, airy, and doesn’t explode on impact. alan has made it so clear how different they are in the episodes leading up to AvA 11. the Box and Wanted was practically a showcase of all chosen’s abilities. ALAN IS TRYING TO TELL US SOMETHING HERE…

lets talk about the newgrounds attack.

during that whole sequence with mitsi when she first is teleported into the background, there’s two important details to notice.

dark is leading the way. chosen is trailing behind him IT’S ALL FIREBALLS. EVERY SINGLE ATTACK. EXPLOSIVE FIREBALLS.

when mitsi is trapped, it’s because of a fireball. when she dies, you’ll never believe this:

EXPLOSION. FIREBALL. no lightning, no light and airy pyrokinesis, no laser eyes. it’s all those damn fireballs

my boy got caught in the fray. all this pretty clearly shows us that dark is to blame for all of this. cho just got all the heat bc agent saw him above mitsi and tattled to his boyfriend who controls the media

i HONESTLY would go as far as to say that chosen was there because he was flying over to try and help mitsi. that one is just a theory though. the rest of this post i’m 100% certain about

he is never portrayed as an ACTIVE participant in murdering sticks. he attacks nonlethally (except for dark, because he knows that dark wouldn't die from it) when dark starts killing people on stickpage, cho does nothing. during the newgrounds attack, he does NOTHING. during Wanted? he doesn't kill ANY of the mercs. he easily could've, but he just ran.

let me be clear: chosen is not free from blame. he let a lot of this slide. he was still friends with dark after the newgrounds attack, even if it left an impact on their relationship. he let dark kill HUNDREDS without stopping him.

that being said, victim’s got the wrong guy. let’s bring dark back and kill him again please i miss him BAD

TL;DR: at the end of the day it’s always TDL’s fault and by extension alan’s for making him Like That. let’s just blow up his PC again and call it even

[misstarsss]

LISTEN

making this to shin godzilla poster

[8ptates]

AvA 11 ramblings

(cause my brain is EXPLODING)

ALAN WTF

THE FUCKING CONTRAST OF MITSI BEING CREATED AND VICTIM BEING CREATED. I LAUGHED WHEN I SAW HER NAME LIKE “ITS A REGULAR NAME” 😂

ALL THE NEWGROUNDS STICKS COMING INTO EXISTENCE

VICTIM LITERALLY CHANGED MITSI’S LIFE SHE WAS SUPPOSED TO SPAWN SOME WHERE ELSE

VICTIMS GREY IS SCARING FROM HIS LANDING

VICTIM HIDING BEHIND MITSI AND THE HALLUCINATIONS AND THE SHAKING WRAP THIS SWEETHEART UP PLEASE LET HIM FEEL SAFTEY 🥺🥺

MITSI WAS THE FIRST STICK VICTIM EVER MET AND FIRST PERSON TO TREAT HIM WITH KINDNESS😭

TSHHD THE ROCKET THE ROCKET CORP LOGO IS VICTIMS ROCKET. THEY STARTED A BUSINESS TOGETHER.

AND AGENT WAS THERE FROM THE BEGINNING

THE TOOLS VICTIM HAS TODAY ARE THE SAME FLASH TOOLS FROM WHEN HE ESCAPED

VICTIM ENTRUSTED FLASHS TOOLS TO AGENT

THE 3 OF THEM WERE SO CLOSE (VICTIM, MITSI AND AGENT)

VICTIM AND MITSI WERE LIVING FULL LIVES VICTIM WAS HEALING. THEY WERE IN LOVE. ❤️‍🩹

VIC CANT DANCE 🕺

BUT AGENT CAN 💃

THAT MOMENT AT THE DANCE MITSI JUST DISAPPEARED I WAS LIKE “THATS IT ?!? SHE JUST WENT *POOF* DEAD?!?”

DID NAVY ABANDON PURPLE AND ORCHID DURING THE NEW GROUNDS ATTACK ?!? IS THAT WHAT I JUST SAW

(Second watch don’t think that happens maybe??but hey regardless CAMEO)

FOR A SECOND I THOUGHT“Is new grounds like being hacked/deleted? But no new grounds is still around? *sees 2 streaks in the air* WAIT OH SHIT ITS CHOSEN AND DARK”

CHOSEN KILLED MITSI SPECIFICALLY THIS IS SO FUCKED

VICTIM HAD NO IDEA WHAT HAPPENED TO MITSI TILL AGENT CAME BACK

NOT AGENT BREAKING DOWN IN THE MEMORY SCANNER 😢

VICTIM HAS BEEN THROUGH SO MUCH WTF 😭😭

CHOSEN IS WHAT COULD OF HAPPENED TO VIC IF HE WAS TORTURED LONGER. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME BUT THE PARALLELS

[karimationkat]

Okay, idk if I have already shared this hc on here but with the release of ava 11, I feel like it makes even more sense.

Is being that TCO was immediately hostile towards Alan because he originally was supposed to be another 'Victim'.

As seen in ava11, victim gained conscious and memories from being drawn and then named the same name. So, TCO being first named Victim before settling for The Chosen One and him attacking and being violent towards Alan right after coming to life, just feeds so much more into my hc.

[huntressordinary]

AvA 11 thumbnails + thoughts

Screenshots of AvA episode 11 thumbnails. (as of 14 Dec, 11 pm UTC+1)

Spoilers !!!

I'm sure some of you caught the old thumbnail, but in case you weren't aware, this is it:

Animator vs. Animation episode 11 is titled after & centers around the first character in the series - victim (lowercase). We only knew vic in his grey form, except for his first ever appearance in AvA 1 (uploaded to YouTube in 2007. That's 17 years ago... man I'm old). Since then, his changed looks have been subject to many discussions and fan theories. Now we know that vic lost his saturation/hue while breaking through the outernet layer - which means he would've already been grey living with Mitsi and co, not black as seen above.

The thumbnail is split exactly in half, one of which is happy and peaceful, the other full of violence. For me, the line through the middle implies a life before and a life after - but vic was already traumatised while living in the outernet. I can see why the old thumb could be confusing.

Here's the updated version:

And it's soo much better. The new thumb in contrast looks much more intense, much more fitting with the tone of this episode, and holds more meaning.

The half of the old thumb, which shows a happy part of victim's life, has been reduced to a quarter, and instead of a generic character lineup it now shows a peaceful memory with his best friend/partner/beloved - the focus was shifted on them because of their role within vic's life.

In both versions, Alan is represented as the cursor, aka the source of victim's pain (and later, obsession), which vic experienced directly through a long period of torture, and indirectly through creation of TCO (and TDL), who are responsible for Mitsi's death. In the old thumb, the cursor was put in the background with everything else, but in the new thumb, the cursor is shown separately. This is actually an interesting decision, to show every part of victim's life separately. It shows each entity as its own influence and/or different part, and not simply a cluster of figures.

The flames of death cast an ominous red glow on his hunched figure - victim is haunted by his past, while he sits in a throne of his own making, thinking about the one who ruined his life twice. Plotting revenge - or, perhaps, something worse than revenge.

And the cycle of abuse continues.